Trump and 18 Others Charged With Election-Related Crimes in Georgia
Plus: The beauty of microschools, the futility of link taxes, and more...

Latest Trump indictment alleges "racketeering enterprise to overturn Georgia's presidential election result." The last of the expected criminal indictments against former President Donald Trump has dropped. This one, which comes out of Fulton County, Georgia, relates to Trump's attempts to influence Georgia officials to invalidate the results of the 2020 presidential election, as well as Trump and his allies' wider scheme to publicize and prove voter fraud claims and to assemble a spate of alternate Electoral College electors who would cast votes for Trump rather than Joe Biden.
Trump and his associates are charged with 41 criminal counts overall, including conspiracy to commit election fraud, conspiracy to defraud the state, and violating Georgia's Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act.
Thirteen of these counts are applied to Trump, who is charged with a RICO violation, three counts of solicitation of violation of oath by a public officer, two counts of conspiracy to commit forgery, two counts of conspiracy to commit false statements and writings, two counts of making false statements and writings, conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer, conspiracy to commit filing false documents, and filing false documents.
Eighteen people—including Rudy Giuliani, Mark Meadows, and Sidney Powell—were indicted along with Trump yesterday. Giuliani, who was serving as Trump's personal lawyer during the time period in question, faces 13 charges, including violation of Georgia's RICO Act, three counts of solicitation of violation of oath by a public officer, and three counts of false statements and writings. Powell—who filed a number of lawsuits challenging the 2020 election results—faces seven charges, and Meadows, Trump's chief of staff in 2020, faces two.
"The indictment alleges that rather than abide by Georgia's legal process for election challenges, the defendants engaged in a criminal racketeering enterprise to overturn Georgia's presidential election result," said Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis at a press conference Monday night. Willis said she intends to try Trump and his 18 co-defendants as a group and will ask for a trial date within six months
Willis' case covers some of the same territory as the recent federal indictment against Trump but includes more Georgia-specific allegations of election meddling.
The indictment covers Trump's January 2, 2021, call to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger in which he urged Raffensperger to "find" the votes needed to deliver Trump a victory. It also includes claims related to lesser-known schemes, including an allegation that Trump associates stole data from voting machines in Coffee County, Georgia, in an attempt to find evidence of voter fraud.
"Trump and the other Defendants charged in this Indictment refused to accept that Trump lost [the 2020 election] and they knowingly and willfully joined a conspiracy to unlawfully change the outcome of the election in favor of Trump," alleges the indictment. "That conspiracy contained a common plan and purpose to commit two or more acts of racketeering activity in Fulton County, Georgia, elsewhere in the State of Georgia, and in other states." Elements of this alleged racketeering activity—committed by Trump and/or his lawyers, staff, and associates—include:
• making false statements about election fraud to a Georgia General Assembly hearing in order to "persuade Georgia legislators to reject lawful electoral votes" and soliciting lawmakers "instead to unlawfully appoint their own presidential electors for the purpose of casting electoral votes for Donald Trump";
• making false statements to the governor, the secretary of state, and the state speaker of the House of Representatives and encouraging them "to violate their oaths" to the Georgia and U.S. constitutions "by unlawfully changing the outcome" of the election in Trump's favor;
• recruiting people "to convene and cast false Electoral College votes" and distributing false documents for this purpose;
• falsely accusing Fulton County election worker Ruby Freeman of election crimes;
• soliciting U.S. Department of Justice officials "to make false statements to [Fulton County's] government officials";
• soliciting Vice President Mike Pence to reject Electoral College votes from Fulton County, Georgia;
• conspiring "to unlawfully access secure voting equipment and voter data … including ballot images, voting equipment software, and personal voter information";
• filing false documents, making false statements, and committing perjury "in furtherance of and to cover up the conspiracy."
Trump and the other defendants are accused of 161 overt acts in furtherance of their "criminal enterprise." Here's a small sampling:
Act 24: "On or about the 3rd day of December 2020, RUDOLPH WILLIAM LOUIS
GIULIANI committed the felony offense of FALSE STATEMENTS AND WRITINGS, in violation of O.C.G.A. § 16-10-20, in Fulton County, Georgia, by knowingly, willfully, and unlawfully making at least one of the following false statements and representations to members of the Georgia Senate present at a Senate Judiciary Subcommittee meeting: 1. That at least 96,600 mail-in ballots were counted in the November 3, 2020, presidential election in Georgia, despite there being no record of those ballots having been returned to a county elections office; 2. That Dominion Voting Systems equipment used in the November 3, 2020, presidential election in Antrim County, Michigan, mistakenly recorded 6,000 votes for Joseph R. Biden when the votes were actually cast for Donald John Trump."
Act 26: "On or about the 3rd day of December 2020, DONALD JOHN TRUMP caused to be tweeted from the Twitter account @RealDonaldTrump, Wow! Blockbuster testimony taking place right now in Georgia. Ballot stuffing by Dems when Republicans were forced to leave the large counting room. Plenty more coming, but this alone leads to an easy win of the State!"
Act 33: "On or about the 6th day of December 2020, SIDNEY KATHERINE POWELL entered into a written engagement agreement with Sullivan Strickler LLC, a forensic data firm located in Fulton County, Georgia, for the performance of computer forensic collections and analytics on Dominion Voting Systems equipment in Michigan and elsewhere. The unlawful breach of election equipment in Coffee County, Georgia, was subsequently performed under this agreement."
Act 78: "On or about the 14th day of December 2020, RAY STALLINGS SMITH III and DAVID JAMES SHAFER encouraged certain individuals present at the December 14, 2020, meeting of Trump presidential elector nominees in Fulton County, Georgia, to sign the document titled CERTIFICATE OF THE VOTES OF THE 2020 ELECTORS FROM GEORGIA."
Act 100: "On or about the 30th day of December 2020, DONALD JOHN TRUMP caused to be tweeted from the Twitter account @RealDonaldTrump, Hearings from Atlanta on the Georgia Election overturn now being broadcast. Check it out. @OANN @newsmax and many more. @BrianKempGA should resign from office. He is an obstructionist who refuses to admit that we won Georgia, BIG! Also won the other Swing States."
Among the 18 Trump co-defendants are several lawyers involved in helping Trump try to stay in power after the 2020 election. This includes John Eastman, who—along with Giuliani—urged Georgia state senators to disregard the 2020 election results and appoint pro-Trump electors, and Kenneth Chesebro, who helped Guliani and Eastman push the fake-elector scheme in six states including Georgia.
A handful of Georgia Republican officials and operatives face charges. David Shafer, former chairman of the Republican Party of Georgia, faces eight counts related to his organizing and chairing of the Trump elector meeting in December 2020. Shafer "also served as an elector and stated during the meeting that the electors were meeting and voting purely to preserve their legal remedy in the event a election challenge prevailed in court," notes The Washington Post. Shawn Still, who is now a Georgia state senator and formerly served as finance chairman for the Republican Party of Georgia, was also charged for his role in facilitating the fake elector meeting.
Former Coffee County elections supervisor Misty Hampton (also known as Misty Martin) is charged with making and disseminating a video that purported to show how voting machines could be warped. "Surveillance footage shows that Hampton was at the elections office on Jan. 7, 2021, when computer forensics contractors working with [Scott] Hall and pro-Trump lawyers copied the county's election software," notes the Post.
An activist recorded Hall—who also faces charges—"saying in a telephone call that he had arranged for a plane to ferry people to Coffee County and accompanied them as they 'went in there and imaged every hard drive of every piece of equipment' and scanned ballots," the Post reports. "Hall claimed on the call that they obtained necessary permissions from authorities."
Illinois pastor Stephen Cliffgard Lee was charged with attempting to influence witnesses, after "traveling to the home of Ruby Freeman, a Fulton County, Georgia, election worker, and speaking to her neighbor," states the indictment. Lee's intent was "to knowingly engage in misleading conduct toward Ruby Freeman, by purporting to offer her help, and with intent to influence her testimony in an official proceeding" concerning the election, it alleges.
The indictment links together a lot of related and relatively unrelated conduct from a bunch of disparate people, some acting directly in concert with Trump and his legal team and some much further removed. This is the troubling thing about RICO charges, which are popular among state and federal prosecutors.
RICO lets prosecutors lump together a bunch of people under one prosecution by defining their individual efforts as, together, constituting a racketeering enterprise. Under this umbrella, defendants can face more severe penalties than they otherwise would for individual acts, and conduct that may not be strictly illegal on its own can be defined as evidence of criminal activity.
"Intended as a weapon against organized crime, RICO has instead been turned against labor unions, abortion protesters, and investment firms," Reason pointed out in a March 1990 piece about federal RICO statutes. The vague contours of the federal RICO statute and its state analogs allow it to be used against all sorts of legal businesses or loosely-related groups of people while making defenses against RICO charges difficult.
Ironically, one of the people now indicted in Georgia on RICO charges—Rudy Giuliani—"made RICO famous in the 1980s," as
His RICOing of alleged white-collar criminals completely confounded the purpose, text, and history of the statute. But his cases made headlines."FREE MINDS
The beauty of microschools. Christian Science Monitor takes a deep dive into this educational trend:
Ask a dozen microschool leaders to describe their schools, and you'll likely receive a dozen slightly different responses: Montessori-inspired, nature-focused, project-based, faith-oriented, child-led, or some combination of other attributes. They may exist independently, as part of a provider network, or in partnership with another entity such as an employer or a faith organization. Their schedules vary, too. Some follow a typical academic calendar, while others operate year-round, and some allow students to attend part time.
In other words, there is no one-size-fits-all definition for microschools. But, in general, they're intentionally small learning environments. They often serve fewer than 30 students total and operate as learning centers to support home-schooled students or as accredited or unaccredited private schools. Their exact designations differ based on state laws.
"What I love about microschools is that [they're] kind of providing this middle ground between public school or home schooling," says Dalena Wallace, founder and president of Wichita Innovative Schools and Educators, a support network for alternative education models.
More here.
FREE MARKETS
A link tax won't save the newspaper industry, warns Cato Institute Research Fellow Paul Matzko in a new policy analysis:
In hopes of reviving the floundering newspaper industry, Congress is looking to an Australian‐inspired system of mandatory bargaining that would force Big Tech to cross‐subsidize Big Ink. However, the early returns from Australia's "link tax" regime—as well as the history of Congress's last attempt to protect newspapers from competition in 1970—show that the Journalism Competition and Preservation Act (JCPA) could have serious negative consequences for both newspapers and consumers. The JCPA would neither promote industry competition nor preserve legacy newspapers. It would propel further industry consolidation and reward rent seeking from tech corporations and hedge funds. Furthermore, it would create a novel "quasi‐property right" in information that could tear apart the internet, destroy much of the value of the online news ecosystem, and deprive consumers of access to news and information. Rather than creating perverse incentives, policymakers would better serve the public interest by looking to emergent forms of new news media as a substitute for legacy modes of journalism.
More here.
QUICK HITS
• Maui wildfires have claimed at least 99 lives as of Monday.
• Firefighters in the Maui County neighborhood of Lahaina found fire hydrants there had run dry. "The collapse of the town's water system … is yet another disastrous factor in a confluence that ended up producing what is now the deadliest U.S. wildfire in more than 100 years," reports The New York Times. "The lack of water forced firefighters into an extraordinary rush to save lives by risking their own."
• Reason Senior Editor Stephanie Slade reviews Sohrab Ahmari's Tyranny, Inc.
• The Biden administration is urging the U.S. Supreme Court to take up NetChoice's challenges to Florida and Texas social media laws.
Editor's Note: As of February 29, 2024, commenting privileges on reason.com posts are limited to Reason Plus subscribers. Past commenters are grandfathered in for a temporary period. Subscribe here to preserve your ability to comment. Your Reason Plus subscription also gives you an ad-free version of reason.com, along with full access to the digital edition and archives of Reason magazine. We request that comments be civil and on-topic. We do not moderate or assume any responsibility for comments, which are owned by the readers who post them. Comments do not represent the views of reason.com or Reason Foundation. We reserve the right to delete any comment and ban commenters for any reason at any time. Comments may only be edited within 5 minutes of posting. Report abuses.
Please
to post comments
Good thing the good prosecutors of Georgia are here to protect us from the depredations of Trump lol
I love charging his lawyers to get around attorney-client privilege. We will miss our rights eventually.
But, you know, Trump was bad.
Those tweets were very mean.
How dare he. It's like he doesn't even care whose feelings he hurts.
I love the list of actions that are now illegal:
1) Tweeting that you're watching hearings on OANN
2) Asking for phone numbers
3) Telling others to watch TV
4) Encouraging people to attend legislative hearings
5) Holding meetings
6) Calling people
7) Askling for special sessions of legislatures
8) Setting up phone calls
9) Getting contact info
10) Sending emails
11) Observing signature match audits
12) Asking people to speed up signature match audits
13) Telling people there might have been voter fraud
14) Discussing the election on a phone call
15) Offering an election worker protection
16) Being Donald Trump
That’s all they really need.
GUILTY!
Great article, Mike. I appreciate your work, I’m now creating over $35,400 dollars each month simply by doing a simple job online! I do know You currently making a lot of greenbacks online from $28,400 dollars, its simple online operating jobs.
.
.
Just open the link————————————>>> http://Www.OnlineCash1.Com
16) Being Donald Trump
The most serious crime of all.
But for the rest of us, the most serious crime is not hating Donald Trump.
Many of those, by themselves in a vacuum, are surely not crimes, but all of them can all be evidence of a crime, particularly when your accused crime is conspiracy to create the illusion of fraud where fraud does not exist so that you can perpetrate your own fraud to "counter" it.
Thats is a lot of weird assumptions you squeezed in there with most of the election information disallowed to be seen by non government officials.
But continue.
I made no assumptions. That is what he is accused of.
where fraud does not exist
This isnt an assumption?
That will be on the prosecutors to prove.
HEY JESSE! WANT TO GUESS WHO ELSE IS A SOCKPUPPET?
This is like what? Six sockpuppets?
At least. That makes, SRG, SRG2, n00bdragon, Foo_dd, Glaucomatose, and Nelson for Jeffy, in addition to his original chemjeff moniker.
Jeffy is having a scooby doo villian reveal moment today.
Lol.
JesseAz doesn’t get nuanced thought.
Translation: JesseAz doesn't fall for my disingenuous bullshit and it hurts my feelings.
How do you know what I wrote Mike? I literally posted his statement.
Just say you support the fascist regime and move on. Keep it simple.
Your clear desire to lump people into groups of "allies" and "enemies" is unfortunate and disappointing. I hope you move on from that notion soon, because it has a tendency to leave people with poor allies and unnecessary enemies.
More unfortunate is pretending the laws of physics don't exist and supporting totalitarian leftism because you resent Trump and his supporters
Don’t defend obvious corruption by the fascist regime and I won’t accuse you of supporting the fascist regime. No collectivism involved.
Yeah eg: making a call
To your mom wishing happy birthday- ok.
To a hitman - no so much.
Don't know what to make of all this yet. But it feelz like bs.
What if your mom is a hit man, and you still want to wish her a happy birthday?
I’ve got my first check for a total of 13,000 US dollars. I am so energized, this is whenever I first really acquired something. I will work much harder now and I can hardly hang tight for the following week’s installment. Go to the Home tab for more detail.
I highly recommend everyone to apply.. https://Payathome.blogspot.com
It all flows from the big one: no accepting losing an election to a Democrat. A Democrat not accepting losing an election to a non-Democrat is, of course, following the law.
Oh, baloney. There are plenty of Republicans who don’t accept the results of the 2020 presidential election and they have been free to do so, unmolested by the government. It’s the actions one takes based on that non-acceptance that matter.
And before anyone brings it up, I agree most of the charges against Trump seem to be persecuting him for exercising his right of free speech. Most.
And before anyone brings it up, I agree most of the charges against Trump seem to be persecuting him for exercising his right of free speech. Most.
But you don’t object.
What actions Mike?
https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1691425049343905792?t=f_ITkwvOWNqqMdGC2JmTCg&s=19
Yes, they are gloating, putting their enemies in their place
Flexing is one of the most dangerous things power can do, rulers only do it if they’re stupid or so secure in their power that it can only demoralize their enemies
[Link]
Only if its in service of a scheme to fraudulently change the results of an election.
I read this article again. I didn't actually see any of those listed as charges. I did see perjury though. Which was all ready illegal.
The wallz are clozin’ in!
Funny how ENB makes no mention of how the charges were filed before the grand jury voted. You would think that would catch the eye of a libertarian.
I don't see how your statement logically holds. ENB + libertarian does not compute.
She sometimes likes to cosplay as a libertarian.
Careful, you’re going to give White Mike a case of the vapors.
Aren't those just Mike's farts?
“the charges were filed before the grand jury voted”
That is totally MAGA spin. What actually happened is a document briefly went up on their website and then was taken down. Shit like that happens all the time with websites, and it doesn’t mean a thing.
So, she didn’t mention it because it is not important. The Grand Jury did approve the indictment and we have the approved document.
Wow Mike. A document that can't exist before the grand jury actually makes a determination traveled through time and posted itself due to website glitches. Yeah. Run with that.
Do you think he really believes the bullshit he posts? Is he really this delusional?
There’s definitely a lot of dishonesty involved with what Dee posts, but I think instances like this are just indicators of what cognitive dissonance and unhealthy biases have done to his brain.
Unfortunately, yes. It's also why he mutes anyone and everyone who refutes his bullshit.
He's defending his boo. Logic doesn't have anything to do with it.
Not true. I was on Fed Grand Jury, the indictment was drafted prior to the vote and given to the GJ to vote on, then signed by foreman and submittedto the judge. Now if the doc was signed by the foreman before the vote you may have a case.
Then again each federal court district does things a little differently.
But Mike is also wrong this is no big deal. While again serving, a foreman's name was published in a rush to get a headline; this was on a case involving a violent drug gang. Prosecutors wer'e sorry but that was all - sickened me.
“a foreman’s name was published in a rush to get a headline”
That’s a good point.
Hold on. I just looked at the correct, official document and it has the foreperson’s signature.
Interesting, the Washington Post, for example, has a version without the signature but some other sites have one with the foreperson’s signature.
It would be like a sports reporter posting the results of a game before the game was over.
That is totally MAGA spin. What actually happened is a document briefly went up on their website and then was taken down. Shit like that happens all the time with websites, and it doesn’t mean a thing.
They’ve really been phoning in these talking points lately
I agree: Spiritus Mundi was blatantly trying to pass off a weak talking point.
No, dork, he means the Reason writers and you, twit.
LOL I know this is hopeless, but please explain how exactly this happens.
And while you're at it, explain why the county said the file was fake, before backtracking today and saying it was a trial run.
They got caught red-handed, but here comes Mike "Totally not a Democrat, guys" sticking up for ruling regime once again.
I cannot help but thinking if this was Biden being railroaded some Dem would have filed a law suite about election interference being behind all these charges and done it in front of an Obama judge who would have promptly placed a national injunction on all the cases until after the election.
Possibly so. The universe of counterfactuals is infinite.
Who knows? We may see the Biden family treated as a RICO conspiracy group. Admittedly, that would probably have to be driven by Comer and the House Republicans, not Weiss.
Here’s Dee admitting that the DOJ is corrupt, and she doesn’t care.
It isnt like these are unmarked police vans.
The last of the expected criminal indictments against former President Donald Trump has dropped.
Derivative.
The earlier albums were a lot more experimental, though a bit raw.
First albums are typically the best ones.
There is the debate that the Pretenders second album is better than the first. They are the exception.
Trump and his associates are charged with 41 criminal counts overall, including conspiracy to commit election fraud, conspiracy to defraud the state, and violating Georgia's Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act.
What, no Russia?
Nothing makes one believe an election is legit like dozens of exceptionally spurious charges of non-crimes towards people questioning it.
Generally agree. There are the charges about stealing “data from voting machines in Coffee County, Georgia”. That’s not a charge that hinges on free speech issues.
They were also invited in to view the machines. Trump nor his team did anything illegal in regards to that.
If an election official is not able to permit that --- who is?
Or so Scott Hall apparently claimed. Guess the prosecutors will have to prove it is not true.
Fucks sake Mike. Even CNN admitted to it. That's why the DA had to go after that election official.
Trump's people were not acting as journalists in doing so, obviously.
I don’t know. Is that Hall’s story, that he was acting as a journalist?
The standard line at Reason is that uncovering the hidden workings of government is covered by press freedom.
OK. I generally agree with that ideal.
Don’t know how that argument would fly in court, and I don’t think Reason is a party in this case.
So you don't support libertarian or 1a principles when it goes against your trusted government. Got it.
Trumps team has a letter from the election officials granting his access.
It is a weird libertarian take to assume it is the governments data and nobody else is allowed to see it.
They indicted Trump for…telling people to watch the Georgia hearings on OANN.
Even Orwell couldn’t imagine this.
Among the 18 Trump co-defendants
Plus 18 co-defendants. good lord.
Absolute fake democracy happening right now.
Eighteen people—including Rudy Giuliani, Mark Meadows, and Sidney Powell—were indicted along with Trump yesterday.
What about the My Pillow guy, wasn’t he a threat to democracy also?
He must feel left out.
Ooh, not just left out. Looks like he may have ratted the others out.
I'm waiting for the indictments of everyone who voted for him next - wait, I shouldn't give them any ideas...
Joking aside, if this works, they will be able to come after anyone they want that’s posted things online questioning the election.
How “libertarians” don’t get this is baffling.
It already worked with Douglass Mackey
Trust me, some of us have been Screaming about it for years.
We got banned for it.
“We’re charging Trump voters with unlawfully attempting to influence an election”
Trump is made to be the example for anyone who dares follow in the years to come.
I've said it before, they want open rebellion or complete submission of the right. Either way, the left will never stop.
they want open rebellion
Tell me again - who has been planning the Boogaloo?
Your side apparently:
https://hotair.com/headlines/2023/08/14/age-of-rage-30-believe-violence-justified-to-keep-trump-from-power-n571077
Well done!
The left is trying to force the right into some violent reaction to justify martial law and suspend elections, just like their Ukrainian hero.
The right isn't planning the Big Igloo...only preparing for it.
Right... because doing whatever they want now is so intolerable that they totes want to risk violence that could actually threaten their position.
Yea, I'm sure that's their plan...
Either way works for them. Everyone moves complacently into their pods, or an ill-timed reaction by hot-heads occurs that allows them to eliminate all dissent and then everyone moves complacently into their pods.
What they don’t want is tactful opposition which garners widespread support even amongst the bien pensants before it goes hot.
They do not give a shit. Your belief that you can vote your way out of totalitarianism is a dangerous delusion.
"Your belief that you can vote your way out of totalitarianism"
Have I ever said that?
No.
In fact I've spent the last three years here saying that 2016 was probably the last legitimate election we'll ever see, barring revolution. Don't put words in my mouth that you know I never said.
Jumping the gun without prudence, planning and the support of a plurality and then promptly losing though isn't an option.
They would be overthrown at a pace they can’t imagine. Leftists are weaklings who can’t handle a real fight. Non leftists also have almost all the guns. And do they really think everyone on the military and law enforcement is going to go along with their bullshit? As hard as they’ve tried, military personnel are largely right leaning.
Pushing the right into a real ‘insurrection’ would be the stupidest thing they could do. It would be the end for them.
At some point, the governor of a state will evict the feds. Utah? Why are FBI agents running free there today? Maybe they should arrest them as terrorists. Be more appropriate than this Trump BS.
As hard as they’ve tried, military personnel are largely right leaning.
Not to mention that only the absolutely fringiest of fringe lunatics, at home in the mirror, internationally, wherever, would consider themselves to be mostly peacefully murdering their fellow countrymen in the name of tolerance. Anyone with even a dim spark of self-awareness is going to realize, even if only for their own self interest, "If everyone is murdering the furthest guy to their right as a policy of tolerance, eventually I'm going to get shot by the guy on my left... in the name of tolerance."
Exactly. If democrats left everyone alone, no one would give a shit about them. But they will obviously never stop. And they more they get, the angrier and more violent they get.
Time for them to go. They’re bringing it on themselves. Although in the interest of peace and non violence, I am willing to accept their complete and unconditional surrender.
“If everyone is murdering the furthest guy to their right as a policy of tolerance, eventually I’m going to get shot by the guy on my left… in the name of tolerance.”
Well said.
The left is trying to force the right into some violent reaction to justify martial law and suspend elections
I get what you’re saying, but why suspend elections when they get guaranteed results out of them? And any of their opponents who question the tallies spends the rest of their life in court, fighting to stay out of prison?
Of course this whole scheme falls apart without the loyal support of the DOJ and their state level equivalents, but their cooperation is easy to ensure via political favors and grift.
That sounds more like people on the right itching for an excuse.
You just admitted above that the current DOJ is protecting the Bidens while going after Republicans.
fuck off and die, turd.
While watching OANN shouldn't be a crime, it should only be done by consenting adults with a safeword. It's that insufferable.
🙂
😉
I’ve only seen OANN a couple of times when someone had it on at the gym. It was like a South Park parody of FOX.
Yeah, I don't fancy a bunch of God-Talk with my news. Objective Reality as close as knowledge gets FTW.
The J6 show trials were the opening salvo that the elites were definitely, officially, in broad daylight, going forward with banana republic tactics, and the flood gates are now open.
They will throw everything at him to see what sticks, and if nothing sticks, they will keep throwing to make him radioactive. They are in full court press mode now
And ENB has no curiosity as to why the committee deleted 40% of their materials.
Her Marxist masters know what they’re doing. ENB has her mind right.
I do wonder why those government documents are not required to be returned to the Archives...
(D)o you really?
And if nothing works and he still wins the 2024 election, then they'll just go straight for open revolution.
Well their stronghold cities are already in open rebellion so they'll have plenty of practice by then.
https://twitter.com/docMJP/status/1691202256761167872?t=CwVtCdjBy33OnUPMCNQUkg&s=19
You are watching the systematic dismantling and criminalization of one political party by the other to create a national one-party state in real time.
This is the grand arc of the narrative and American political reality between now and November, 2024.
Oh, baloney. The genius January 6th rioters posted videos of themselves, unmasked or in easily recognizable clothing, committing acts of violence.
Citation on the acts of violence? Or do you mean the violent acts committed upon them such as the Capitol Police shooting an unarmed woman?
He means Brian Sicknick getting bludgeoned to death by a fire extinguisher. He kept repeating it for months.
Not true. I might have talked about it for days, but the news reporting about Sicknick and the fire extinguisher didn’t go uncorrected for “months”.
But, hey, you have no compunctions about lying.
"Might have talked about it for days" is the next easily disproven lie.
Disprove it, then, if it is so easy.
Crickets.
Amazing how you come into a thread that people left quite some time ago and just need to have the last word.
TBF, it was probably more like weeks rather than months, but the point is the same: you continued to push a narrative that the protestors/rioters killed cops.
Oh, and you know that not all of those charges or held committed a single act of violence right?
"@BrianKempGA should resign from office. He is an obstructionist who refuses to admit that we won Georgia, BIG! Also won the other Swing States.”"
A reasonable person would realize this is what was being referred to, not the part about watching some integrity-free news channel. Imagine my surprise that you didn't realize it.
That's not what Act 22 of the indictment says.
Another leftist just making shit up as you go.
Ahh, and now you've switched socks to Nelson.
Now, in addition to SRG and SRG2 I can have Glaucomatose.
You sure are a busy boy, Jeff.
He’s very active for such a weak, morbidly obese douchebag.
This is fantastic. I can't stop laughing.
Careful, he might try to imitate your handle and show everyone how bad he is at parody.
This was your comment, ML:
"They indicted Trump for…telling people to watch the Georgia hearings on OANN.
Even Orwell couldn’t imagine this."
Except you only referenced the first part of the post. I pointed out that it was the second part that a reasonable person would assume was the part that the prosecution was talking about, not the part about watching OANN.
But sure, make baseless accusations of me being someone's sock. That doesn't make it seem like you lack any substantive rebuttals at all.
You're obviously on drugs Nelson.
Say look 'SRG', was n00bdragon yours?
Why yes it was. I'm a sockpuppeting piece of shit, aren't I.
No, I'm the biggest sockpuppeting piece of shit.
No, I’m the biggest sockpuppeting piece of shit.
No, I’m the biggest sockpuppeting piece of shit.
That’s makes 8, yes, count them, 8 Jeffy sockpuppets so far. How many goddamn socks has he got here anyhow?
Pretty sure I’m the biggest sockpuppeting piece of shit.
Bookmark this thread folks because I'm the biggest piece of shit.
Do you like sockpuppets with a British flavour? I went to Oxford to learn how to become a sockpuppeting piece of shit.
So far, that makes, SRG, SRG2, n00bdragon, Foo_dd, Glaucomatose, QueenAmalthea, Vote Quimby, MollyGodiva, Dajjal, and Nelson for Jeffy, in addition to his original chemjeff moniker.
MollyGodiva, Vote Quimby, and QueenAmalthea being socks explains a hell of a lot about their behavior.
If you wonder why I'm doing this, it's to keep a running tally of all Jeffy's socks so he can't run and hide behind them any more.
I just bitched someone out below for calling me a sockpuppet, even though I am actually a sockpuppeting piece of shit.
I didn't actually suspect Moderation4ever was one of the sockpuppets, but look. Here we are.
Poor jeffy, he is going to need to spend alot of time at drag queen story hour to make
himselftheyself feel better.And of course DOL would be one of the sockpuppets.
No surprises either that Joe Friday was a sock.
Of course raspberrydinners, is a sock.
Lord of Strazele is a sock that hasn't been used in forever.
And killallredneck's too?
Have you tried mike, sarc, buttplug, or kirkland?
They don't seem to work, but Brandybuck does.
Oddly, it makes perfect sense M4e is a sockpuppet. So, we’re up to 17 Jeffy socks, if Jeffy is that one’s original account.
Funny though, we always thought raspberrydiners was a Tony sock, and Lord of Strazele was Sullum. Never thought Brandy was a sock.
Sarc is too authentic in some ways to be a sock. We know of Mike's former aliases (White Knight among others). Pluggo is just too dumb to have this many socks.
Kirkland came from the WaPo. He's just a stupid hicklib.
Testing.
Woah! What the fuck is going on here. I've snagged the pedo's nick.
Well, fuck, I take that back about Pluggo. 18 known socks, and that one would explain Jeffy wanting to fuck kids. It also means Jeffy is Shrike.
Known aliases as of 2 pm CDT:
chemjeff radical individualist
Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2
Brandybuck
Moderation4ever
killallredneck's
Lord of Strazele
raspberrydinners
Joe Friday
De Oppresso Libre
Foo_dd
SRG
SRG2
Nelson
n00bdragon
Glaucomatose
QueenAmalthea
Vote Quimby
MollyGodiva
Dajjal
How many more!?!
Seriously, what the fuck? Is everyone just one guy?
I couldn't snag Sqrlsy or sarcasmic's so it's not a glitch.
Sorry for being such an asshole everybody.
I'm going on a diet, becoming a Southern Baptist and moving to Kentucky as an act of contrition.
Sqrlsy is too, um, special, to be Shrike's sock.
Try "Tony". He sounds a hell of a lot like Pluggo and Jeffy, below.
This is fucking amazing. Bookmarking for posterity.
This is fucking amazing. Bookmarking for posterity.
That's why I made the list above. There's so many fucking socks that no one would believe it. I'm still waiting to see if my hunch on Tony pays off. I suspect he's yet another sock.
Tony works.
I'm starting to think that this is a couple of different sockfarms, rather than one master socker.
That explains a lot about Jeffy, Pluggo, and Tony all wanting to fuck kids.
Now, if this is a sock farm, who's running it and posting to these accounts?
Try "Chinny Chin Chin". He's long suspected of being a Shrike sock.
Is this real?
Can you try me?
I have long suspected I was a jeffy sock. Nothing else justifies my impulsive need to correct the stupid bastard. Self-revulsion would certainly explain it.
It is going to be interesting tomorrow when the usual suspect shows up.
Chinny Chin Chin didn't work.
Oh, look. You can make a new account with a slight change to the handle and pretend you are someone you aren't.
I'm a little baffled why you think you are "proving" the accounts are socks. Are you pretending you hacked them all?
And how shocking. Jesse swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.
I muted the fake "Nelson" account and half of the other fake accounts went grey. I muted the fake n00bdragon account and the other half went grey as well.
I can't wait for the credulous fools here try to claim this is proof that everyone who isn't on the right fringe is a sock of Jeff or Mike.
"But sure, make baseless accusations of me being someone’s sock. That doesn’t make it seem like you lack any substantive rebuttals at all."
Wow, ML must be pretty red-faced.
I sure showed him, even though I am in fact a sockpuppet.
I'm not sure why you made the link when you tap each handle you're impersonating redirect to the Wikipedia page for John Adams. Maybe an inside joke at the Internet Research Agency?
How many fucking socks does Jeffy have anyhow?
i doubt any of the supposed socks even know who jeff is
None, he wears pantyhose.
Whats illegal about that tweet?
Almost everything they are charging Trump with is protected by the first amendment. The right to petition government for a redress of grievances is a very important one. And it applies no matter how stupid or wrong your grievances may be.
Right to petition fir redress of grievances is not a 1st Amendment right. It is in the original, unamended text of the Constitution.
First Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Telling people to watch hearings on OANN was literally listed on the indictment.
Nobody here buys your lies, fascist.
This was the entire tweet that was referenced:
"@RealDonaldTrump, Hearings from Atlanta on the Georgia Election overturn now being broadcast. Check it out. @OANN @newsmax and many more. @BrianKempGA should resign from office. He is an obstructionist who refuses to admit that we won Georgia, BIG! Also won the other Swing States.”
If you claim the problematic portion was the first half, you are either incapable of analytical thinking or a partisan hack.
Or both. Most likely both.
Act22
On or about the 3rd day ofDecember2020, DONALD JOHN TRUMP caused to be tweeted from the Twitter account @RealDonaldTrump, "Georgia hearings now on @OANN. Amazing!" This was an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy.
Full indictment here: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23909543-23sc188947-criminal-indictment
Act 22 on page 24, at the bottom.
Fair point. I posted the one from December 30, not December 3.
What, precisely, was illegal?
He truly felt he won Georgia. He felt Kemp was not doing anything to deal with the electoral issues.
Literally none of that is illegal.
The beauty of microschools.
What is this? A center for ants???
It’s part of this lovely community:
Micro Machines Super City Toolbox Playset
https://youtu.be/mlRgbU3ZJ5g
Remember:IfItDoesn’tSay”Microschools,”It’sNotTheRealThing!™
🙂
😉
Worthsayingtwice,butIwon't.
🙂
😉
If the building is this small how are the kids going to fit inside?
-Derek zoolander
He’s still smarter than Canada’s version of him.
Microschool = classroom
Definitive proof has finally emerged that Block Insane Yomomma is gay (or more likely bisexual) in a letter from 1982 he wrote to a woman. I quote the HNIC, verbatim:
“In regard to homosexuality, I must say that I believe this is an attempt to remove oneself from the present, a refusal perhaps to perpetuate the endless farce of earthly life. You see, I make love to men daily, but in the imagination. My mind is androgynous to a great extent and I hope to make it more so until I can think in terms of people, not women as opposed to men. But, in returning to the body, I see that I have been made a man, and physically in life, I choose to accept that contingency."
This is fucking great, I'm practically rolling on the floor sitting here reading this shit. It also makes me wonder if it's possible that his sous vide chef may have been murdered because he and the mofo were having gay butt sex and he was planning on revealing it to the entire world with evidence. The dead chef story got flushed down the memory hole and buried faster than just about any national news story I think I've ever seen in my life.
It also makes me wonder if it’s possible that his sous vide chef may have been murdered because he and the mofo were having gay butt sex and he was planning on revealing it to the entire world with evidence.
Doubtful. Most homos are puffers. Butt sex is an act of dominance that's more likely to be done by a heterosexual man than a homo.
Tell us how you know.
Sarc's not gay, but he did have to work for his fix when he was young and living on the streets.
See my comment below.
Cite?
google.com
You stated an opinion. Please state where that's a fact.
Believe me or don't. I really couldn't give a shit. I know I'm correct so I don't have anything to prove to you.
Cite you ever being correct?
Dude, I have a number of friends who are gay, and some of them are married to each other. I sincerely doubt it's about being "puffers" or about dominance in their cases.
None of the gay friends I had over the years were into butt sex. Just oral. Though I have known a few straight men who bragged about it.
Did it ever occur to you they were just trying to suck you in?
He knows this because he bottoms for the other hobos.
Male on male anal sex is heterosexual is certainly one of the stranger claims I have heard this year.
Whatever makes you sleep better.
In some cultures, not necessarily US culture except inside prisons, the guy buggering the other guy is not considered to be a homosexual.
Is that the line you fell for?
Exactly. It's an act of dominance.
Every gay man I've known in my life was a cocksucker, but none took it up the ass. The men I've known who bragged about "sticking it up the poop chute" as one guy called it, were all heterosexual. It isn't a sexual act. It's a display of dominance.
Now explain the rapid transmission rate of AIDS or monkeypox among the population of gay men, dipshit.
What a weird thing to choose to be wrong about.
HNIC
For eight years Mikey seethed with racist rage but now I think there might have been a little homo-lust on his part as well.
Speaking of racist rage, does this ring any bells?
"Uncle Clarence has had his hand out for over 20 years. GIMME DAT WHITIE MONEY!"
It is called "Light Privilege". Clarence resents the light-skins. It is a Georgia thing so you wouldn't understand. Spike Lee movies explore this.
No. It's called you being blatantly racist.
His pedophilia is far worse.
My pedophilia is far worse.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
The asshole's really working overtime this morning; one lie after the other. Don't you wish TDS was fatal? turd would be dead and the world would be a better place.
turd is full of shit and an ignoramus besides.
Being married to Chewbacca's understudy is evidence enough that women are not his main obsession.
Even after every Democrat claimed that ALL leaders had affairs just eight years earlier.
Excellent point. If I had to look at that big fat Lizzo-like ass every day, even a male sous vide chef might start to look like a tempting alternative after a couple of decades!
Democrats murdering people on Martha’s Vineyard is just dog bites man stories now.
Trump wanting signature verification is a criminal act in our Banana Republic.
When you can be indicated for saying there's election fraud, there's election fraud.
Asking for the rules to be followed is a threat to "our Democracy" according to the left.
Asking that there be rules for voting is a threat to Democracy, according to the Democrats.
Republicans, on the other hand, are all about respecting election officials.
[Disclaimer: I know it can be hard to tell the difference between a whadabout and a bothsides. My comment was a bothsides, not a whadabout.]
So I did a little unintentional experiment here last election when I messed my writing hand up pretty bad working in the garage and had it bandaged up...I noticed my signature on my mail in ballot was so bad even I couldn't tell what the hell it was. Did it get accepted? Of course...
I don’t know where you live or how it works where you live: how did you confirm your mail-in vote was accepted?
You go to the states election website retard.
If it needlessly complex to do so --- perhaps we should not DO mail in voting.
It has always, until 2020, been viewed as the least secure method to vote.
Don’t know if it was needlessly complex for 2wheelexplorer because he never came back and answered my question.
That he mentioned it is a problem AT ALL should be enough to make one question it.
Two day voting period. I'll go as far as that. But must be in person unless you are military. If you're out of the country, c'est la vie. If your job sent you out of state...might need to talk to your bosses about that one.
He didn’t say anything about a problem with ascertaining whether his ballot was accepted or not.
In hopes of reviving the floundering newspaper industry, Congress is looking to an Australian‐inspired system of mandatory bargaining that would force Big Tech to cross‐subsidize Big Ink.
So dead trees are fine as long as it is the Congress doing the killing on behalf of it's sycophant media?
Don't dismiss this too lightly. They may think this is a good way to restore the Post Office's floundering revenues, too, by fleecing these companies off of their email services.
LMAO… encouraging them “to violate their oaths” to the … U.S. constitution.
– So the entire Democrat party will be indicted WHEN?
LMAO… encouraging them “to violate their oaths” to the Georgia Constitution.
– So when will the Governor be indicted for executive fiat of election law?
LMAO… including an allegation that Trump associates stole data from voting machines in Coffee County, Georgia, in an attempt to find evidence of voter fraud.
– So when will every investigation and discovery process be indicted.
And the only straw in the game is “making false” statements; that have never actually been proven beyond any hint of reasonable doubt to be false. Most of them have live video and a paper trail longer than the Oregon trail showing exactly how not-false they are.
"So the entire Democrat party will be indicted WHEN?"
The Democrats have challenged every presidential election won by a Republican since HW Bush and have objected to Electoral College results on the flimsiest possible grounds.
In 2001, 2005 and 2017, Democratic Representatives and, in 2005, Senators voted against accepting the Electoral College tally.
And, last I checked, no member of Congress in either party has been charged with anything for voting against accepting the Electoral College tally.
Like I told Pluggo, don’t lie by omission. They went on TV shows, called for inquiries and challenged overseers just like Trump.
Is Glaucomatose your new sock today?
Does that mean I can have SRG2, as well?
This makes me smile.
Best part of the last 2 days.
Oh wow.
LOL!
The Democrats have challenged every presidential election
Legally. Within the judicial system. Like Donnie did over 60 times but each time was thrown out for lack of evidence.
Then Donnie went outside the law and tried to steal the presidency.
"Legally. Within the judicial system."
Don't lie by omission. They went on TV shows, called for inquiries and challenged overseers just like Trump.
This only became criminal or even wrong because Democrats didn't want their electoral fraud challenged, and they're horny to imprison their principle opposition.
After 60 trials?
More trials than the covid vaccine went through.
And yet the COVID-19 vaccines ended up being quite safe.
Except for the blood clot thing.
Or the heart attack thing. Or the miscarriage thing. Or the changes to menstrual cycles thing.
Quite ineffective too, until we changed the definition of vaccine.
OMG, someone changed the definition of “aircraft” to include helicopters!!
OMG, someone changed the definition of “vaccine” to include aspirin.
There were over a dozen court cases of known election changes being illegal dumbass. Ga refused to investigate.
Investigating people who call for investigations is the new normal for lefties. Be careful who you question.
The number of court cases is meaningless. I can file a lawsuit right now against god for making the weather crappy. That many people file lawsuits doesn't have any bearing on whether the lawsuits have merit.
What about the cases that ruled against illegal changes, like here in Michigan, where numerous unsolicited mail-in applications were sent out per person, and the SOS instructed election workers to accept ballots even if the signatures didn’t match?
There were also the changes made in Pennsylvania by the then governor that he had no legal right to do under the state constitution. It took years and a Federal appeals court for it finally to be declared unconstitutional.
My comment is literally about adjudicated trials....
Youre struggling today.
Struggling with what, exactly? Do you have me confused with someone else?
Your comment has nothing to do in response to my statement about cases that have gone through the legal process and found illegal election changes. Where these were challenged in court and got past standing, the courts have recognized the number of illegal election changes for 2020. Not sure why this is controversial.
Remember that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
You Marxists really need to be put down. Why don’t you save everyone the trouble and kill yourself?
On the last claim CNN even admitted there was a letter from election officials inviting Trumps team to look at the machines. So charged for government inviting them to do something.
So charged for government inviting them to do something.
There is no cost to the government for these actions. And no reward for exposing them. Randy Weaver's acquittal couldn't bring back his wife or his friend.
"Most of them have live video and a paper trail longer than the Oregon trail showing exactly how not-false they are."
vetted research data and multiple recounts refuting the claims..... MEDIA LIES.
random unverified shit from some troll in his mom's basement..... TOTALLY TRUE...
i'm sure you have heard the term "useful idiots." i am also sure you don't realize you are one. you guy's willingness to blindly trust anything supporting Trump is how we got here.
the only real question with the elections charges, both here and federal, is if Trump knew what he was doing or if he is just as stupid as his followers. did he know he was talking BS, or did he just fall for the same social media fueled nonsense that you all did.
ironic part.... either he is a criminal who knowingly tried to subvert democracy, or he is too stupid to be fit for office.
Lol. The term useful idiots derives from blind acceptance of bad government actions. It covers you and other leftists. But do continue.
the actual definition: a naive or credulous person who can be manipulated or exploited to advance a cause or political agenda
an agenda like say.... keeping your dear leader in power... or getting him elected again....
you all keep getting played and manipulated into believing absolute BS, and you don't even know it.
Some BS for your denial-ism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H4vV4OVNUk
And thousands of others you’d think most people have seen.
Course your denial-ism is about as big as the sky at this point.
Do you think all those voting charts Trump made public that showed WILD counts voiding his In-person lead were all just lies or maybe the just didn't exist (close your eyes you can't see them)? Do you think election laws were never changed by executive fiat? Do you think that video of pulling briefcases out from under tables and counting after-hours/closing was just paid actors? Do you think the IP Logs of the pillows guy showing foreign IP connections to the voting buildings was just someone in a basement typing up garbage??????
Common tell us... Show us the amount of ignorance and denial-ism you can disperse.... Do it. I dare you.
One final item. Prove it, with only evidence available on January 5th or before.
There could be explanations. Weird stuff. Inconsistencies, and other nonsense caused by rushing or temporary issues, or test data. Someone might have been using a VPN, or MI6 might be doing a security stress test with the CIA.
However, we are asking whether Trump and his voters should have accepted this, then the question is what could be known at the time.
Additionally, there is the question of whether the supporters could reasonably believe it. Given the public and well documented statements that Trump must be defeated at any cost, including violence, I cannot fault anyone for taking these people at their word and questioning the election.
Similar to libel, the people involved would have to know they were wrong, Not worry, not doubt. KNOW. In normal circumstances is almost impossible. This seems to be a complete undermining of the normal course of evidence, and several articles are transparently protected by the first amendment.
Biden himself told the country that they had put together the largest voting fraud organization in history.
let me refer you to what i said in my first response:
"vetted research data and multiple recounts refuting the claims….. MEDIA LIES.
random unverified shit from some troll in his mom’s basement….. TOTALLY TRUE…'
and what do you come back with? a fucking you tube video from a random fuck. (probably in his mom's basement.) you don't even know what a fucking joke you are.
Funny you think name-calling and your temper tantrum will void all the evidence. Why; You must be a leftard.
The problem is that trust has been lost. The greatest evidence is comparing the handling of Clinton and Biden versus Trump by the DOJ. We clearly have large government institutions that are transparently biased. Yes, it's a conspiracy theory, but it is a conspiracy that has been shown to exist in other contexts, so it's a valid concern. Therefore, referring to the verification by these large institutions is ignoring the point that your opposition doesn't trust them.
A proper response would be to analyze the individual accusations and either explain, discredit, or admit uncertainty. Or even acknowledge that there were valid concerns but then state that Trump's response was still unacceptable.
Appealing to authority in a matter where the authority's bias is the core question is one step below circular reasoning.
"The problem is that trust has been lost."
that really does not make a crackpot on you tube an authority. if the problem is loss of trust, why would you turn to sources you know are even less reliable?
"A proper response would be to analyze the individual accusations and either explain, discredit, or admit uncertainty."
i have tried this approach, but there is a problem with it.
" The greatest evidence is comparing the handling of Clinton and Biden versus Trump by the DOJ."
and there is the problem. no matter how much BS gets analyzed and discredited, you all just throw something else out there that isn't even related to the question at hand. sometimes to move the goal posts. sometimes to deflect. sometimes to find something the person explaining your wrongness might agree with. sometimes just because a lacking grasp of logic is central trait of many of the brainwashed. the end result.... you walk away never admitting and facing the fact that the thing you believed to begin with is complete and utter BS.
And about that YouTube video I just linked for you?
And no.. Calling it names doesn't count as analyzed and discredited.
it is a fucking you tube video...... i can get you guys not trusting actual media, but seriously?!?!?!?! some rando on you tube is your appeal to authority?
A video recording of live main-steam TV showing Trump votes being deleted. You think just because it was posted on you tube by some rando that automatically makes it non-existent????
I am giving a concrete example of political corruption of a major institution. Additionally, many people point out to numerous state election laws that were violated, ostensibly to favor Democrats. You cannot claim that this is irrelevant when the very discussion is about political corruption of major institutions.
Now, you are within your rights to state that the level of evidence demanded is impossible or even that you don't think the evidence is valid. I would actually agree. There is smoke, but nowhere nearly hard evidence to overturn the election.
However, these "crackpots" as you call them give primary sources, videos, and direct evidence. Between the person who says "look at this live video, something is wrong here" and "this major institution says that anyone who disagrees is a criminal", I know which one I find more trustworthy.
you are so "word salad" and "obvious BS covered by the other trolls," that i don't much see the worth in bothering with you.
You do get that YOU are a useful idiot, right?
i know you are, but what am i?
Peewee's dead, man.
explain it to chud boy.
Fuck off and die, TDS-addled lefty shit.
SQUAWK!!!
And now I have your Nelson sockpuppet account.
Damn Jeff, you sure are busy.
SRG, SRG2, Glacuamose, Nelson, Foo_dd. How many more?
Trust me. He has dozens.
dozens of people who think you are dumb just isn't possible....
Considering that's not what was being discussed, Jeffy, nice try at changing the subject. Now, how many socks do you have here?
Lol. Act Blue can't make new email accounts for reason accounts fast enough.
And all this time we thought SRG was Shrike. Please, name all of those socks that Jeffy has.
The one time Lying Jeffy was telling the truth was saying he wasn’t shrike with his SRG sock.
Turns out, Lying Jeffy is, of all people, Shrike.
I'm not a sock and neither was I when I posted as the original SRG.
You can have SRG back, I've got better ones now Mr. Sockfarmer.
you think we are dumb..... you must all be the same person....
now go log in as another sock and agree with yourself some more that i must be (insert name of someone who once called us dumb).
Disregard this, I suck dicks. I really am a sockpuppeting piece of shit.
That's right people. Almost all the progressive arguments here are the work of one guy sockpuppeting.
Me.
When will I learn?
oh lovely. someone with computer skills but no other signs of intelligence.
Better hold tight to that nick, because the second you switch socks I'm going to get it.
since i have no socks, I'm not concerned.
interesting though that someone obsessed with claiming other people are socks would so openly admit they plan to post under other names. kind of calling yourself out as a piece of shit.
[E]ither he is a criminal who knowingly tried to subvert democracy, or he is too stupid to be fit for office.
Good old fashioned fallacy of bifurcation--and your inclusion of the hyperbolic refrain subvert democracy was a nice touch.
he was trying to overturn the election result. this is a documented fact. not sure how you would describe that if it isn't subverting democracy.
again, the question is if he knew that was what he was doing (knew it was a lie that he lost due to fraud) or if he fell for the same nonsense as the useful idiots (stupid as fuck).
BS!!!! Not once did Trump try to just announce himself the winner in despite of an honest and fair election and 'overturn' an election. That is just Democrats delusions at work. He was questioning election integrity and showing valid signs of election fraud (that you still only demonstrate blatant ignorance to) and you darn well know that.
Specifically; What he asked for was a re-vote with election integrity.
you are definitely in the top 5 for stupid motherfuckers around here.
he asked for a re-vote because he didn't like the results.
he organized the fake electors because he didn't like the results.
he tried to convince Pence to block certification because he didn't like the results.
he called those people to DC on January 6th because he didn't like the results. (don't even have to consider if he knew what would happen.)
everything he did was because he didn't like the results. (much like you fucktards.... bringing us back to the question of whether he knew what he was doing or if he is just as fucking stupid as you are.)
no "signs" of election fraud have ever stood up to scrutiny.... including 60 times in court. (court cases where his boy Rudy has admitted he lied..... and still lost.....)
Hey look at that; a list of self-presumed assumptions about Trump in an effort to counter the FACT that Trump never did want to ‘overturn’ an honest election. The other self-presumed assumption.
And FYI: Most of the cases were instantly ruled as, “out of the courts jurisdiction” and not actually ever held as a court case at all. Yet Hillaries BS cries of Facebook ads from Russia carried a multiple years long discovery and case. Notice any difference there in the justice being served????
And FYI: No “signs” of election fraud have ever **HAD** to stand up to scrutiny because the left flipped the case into prosecuting the victim. The very handling of these election issues practically assures guilt (i.e. Purposely derailing the actual issues presented with attempts to prosecute any delivery of evidence).
Why shouldn't voting machine data always be automatically made available publicly and immediately?
you mean like the results that are shared every couple hours with media outlets as the counting is happening? or the final tallies that are vetted and verified with bipartisan teams? or the log files that are maintained with strict chain of custody logs by the appropriate elections office?
or are you talking about the random partisans who wanted unrestricted access to the machines who could have actually violated the data integrity?
It should all be published immediately and be available to anyone. Every bit of information on the machines. As should the source code for any voting machine software and OS.
so, you want to make it easier for nefarious actors to mess with machines by giving them unrestricted access to the source code? stupid thing to ask for if integrity is what you are really after.
That’s not how it works. I’m not suggesting giving full access to modify code on the machines.
And if simply being able to read and study the source code allows people to "mess with the machines", then the code is garbage and the machines aren't secure.
I'm constantly amazed at how many people don't understand what open source means.
And how many people don't realize how shitty a lot of commercial software is.
source code is only useful for anyone who wants to look for things to exploit. there is literally nothing else you could accomplish with it. NOTHING. unless your intent is to modify the code, there is no value to having it. (machines have an air gap and are under constant surveillance, so getting your little virus on the machine would still be hard.)
every machine does accuracy testing - which is published
every election has random audits of results from machines verified against a hand count of ballots that went through it - which is published.
and this is done with observers appointed by the political parties. (not just some random people who walk up to tabulation center and demand access... people known to the local chairs of the political parties to actually be part of the party.)
if there is anything inaccurate about the machines we would all know it without any need for the source code.
but then the demand for source code has never been about integrity.... it has always been about throwing demands against the wall until you find something they won't give you so you can cry "THEY ARE KEEPING SECRETS!!!!!" it is about deflecting away from the fact that we have all the data and accuracy testing we could possibly want or need to prove there was no fraud.
I say this with much respect, because I see you are arguing with the usual MAGA morons, but that isn’t how the culture of open source software works.
It would be a very good idea for voting software to be open source, where hundreds of security experts could examine it, make problems known and offer fixes.
it's not that i am against that on that principle. but, there are issues.
one is the IP rights of the machine makers.
two is that it does also benefit those looking for security flaws to exploit.
three, i don't believe for a second that is why any of these guys are demanding it.
There is no problem with IP if voting machines are required to run open source software. Many companies profitably sell machines that run open source software.
All good points.
Reminder. Mike can call everyone showing him to be a retard MAGA but don't ever call him a Democrat.
source code is only useful for anyone who wants to look for things to exploit. there is literally nothing else you could accomplish with it.
That's pretty much exactly the point. The more people we have looking for vulnerabilities, the more secure the software will be. This really isn't a far out concept or unusual practice and shouldn't be controversial at all.
And when 40% or so of the electorate has doubts about the integrity of elections, you really do need to avoid any appearance of keeping secrets or dismissing security concerns. Unless of course your intention is to alienate half of the country and make sure every election in the future is as much of a shit show as 2020.
"The more people we have looking for vulnerabilities, the more secure the software will be."
so what you are saying is that it ells you absolutely nothing about how accurate or secure any given election was. all it does is make it so people can find flaws and (hopefully) fix them before anyone has a chance to exploit them. (because people with altruistic intentions are not the only ones with access to something open source.)
are you admitting that we have access to all the data we NEED to know the election was not stolen? (at least in respect to the machines.) we have the accuracy testing, we have the random hand count audits, we have chain of custody and physical security, we have political observers. do we need the source code to know the election was legit? (which is the point of this conversation.)
Yes, I have never thought that voting machines were a big source of fraud. I don't need to "admit" anything. I’ve never said anything otherwise. You are being an ass by assuming that anyone who has any doubts about election infrastructure is a “MAGA retard” (I know that was Mike, not you, but you seem to be thinking along similar lines).
i made a comment that the real question with the recent charges was if trump knew he was full of shit on his election fraud claims or if he was swallowing the same BS his followers were.... i.e. if he believed he lost due to fraud. you chimed in about data that should be made public, the only one not widely public already being the source code. nothing you have said to me at any point has supported any claim of fraud.
i apologize for not knowing your response had absolutely nothing to do with what i had actually said.
You can't harm election integrity through Read-Only source code...
But you can harm election fraudsters who talk-trash and publicly claim to be having the most "secure elections ever" of which supposedly has to be hiding everything and working after-hours when no-one but a few democrat-voting counters are there and covering windows in Detroit and MOST APPALLINGLY counting votes without a physical person (mail-voting) etc, etc, etc, etc.....
If the data is public and backed up with verified logs, why would trying to get it from the machines be illegal after it was finalized?
It violates the 100%-faith in "democratic" [Na]tional So[zi]alist[s] law? Yes the USA has really fallen that far. Questioning Hitler or the Nazi-Regime brings major consequences. Presenting the #1 Exhibit; Trump.
do you really have to ask what the concern is of letting highly partisan actors have unrestricted access to the machines? really? just to get data that they already have access to with a documented chain of custody? you don't question those people's motives at all?
that would bring us back to the useful idiot thing.... naive being part of the definition.
Funny. I didn't see anything in the indictment about "unrestricted access" ... but now that you bring it up; the company is headquartered in a whole other nation with a full board of directors who are part of a Green-Energy lobbying group.
How about those foreign IP connections? Makes a person wonder what kind of restriction there really is when two entirely different nations have access but apparently any US government investigation doesn't?
"How about those foreign IP connections? "
thanks for confirming you have absolutely no idea how anything works. none of these machines are connected to the internet.
*are supposed to be connected to the internet
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA......
that is just sad. is there anyone who thinks there was fraud who has even acted in the lowly role of political observer, let alone actually educated themselves on the whole process?
Funny how you know so much more than the CEO of Dominion John Poulos who testified they do indeed communicate via internet... But I'm curious. Ya know the excuse they gave for the machines being down causing voting line-up was due to "updates". How exactly does a machine update itself inherently?
this is the problem with people who think they "know" something...... you don't know shit.
updates to voting machine software is a huge deal..... which anyone who has ever looked into voting procedures would know if they checked....... instead of just pulling shit out of their asses (and linking to random fucks on you tube.).
i don't know what you are talking about with "excuse," (probably some BS from a random fuck on you tube) but the exercise of updating the tally machines is practically an endurance trial.... and, BY LAW, is done well outside actual tabulation. there is absolutely no way that any tabulation machine is connected to the internet at any time between 30 days (not sure the legal requirement in all jurisdictions, but that would be the minimum.) before any ballots are received and the results being finalized.
And I should believe you over testimony from John Poulos because???
Oh yeah; As you've shown throughout this entire thread. You have a whole heck of a lot of self-presumed assumptions.
Why would they need to? There are the vote tallies and there is the paper ballot trail. Why do they need to be messing around with the voting machines?
I don’t know; you tell us since multiple locations did “mess around with the voting machines” right in the middle of the elections causing the voting process to be paused for hours.
Or how about just telling us exactly how curbing investigation is suppose to lead to any truth or justice?
Ya know it really wouldn't be that hard to restore some faith in the election process. Just end the government (specifically democratic) monopoly of it and write some JUSTICE laws for 9-different (USA based; as if that's too much to ask) counting businesses who will be present on election day each operating entirely independently (each voter stops at 9-different counting agencies) and any discrepancies of the 9 be thoroughly investigated.
Paper trails do not account for voter fraud you retarded leftist shit.
On top of that there is video and witness statements showing ballots counted multiple times, fraudulent vote audit cards from Fulton, etc.
the ballots that were "counted multiple times" were in Georgia....... where MULTIPLE HAND RECOUNTS reached the same number. if that claim had any merit, it would have been caught on the hand recounts.
you guys have no interest in actual integrity or fraud...... you will refuse to accept any evidence unless it supports your fantasy.
"MULTIPLE HAND RECOUNTS reached the same number"
Oh... That's some new news.
https://www.ajc.com/politics/recount-finds-thousands-of-georgia-votes-missing-from-initial-counts/ERDRNXPH3REQTM4SOINPSEP72M/
Apparently you're writing your own evidence as you go along.
The real issue isn't counting ballots, it's where those ballots came from. Especially the ones that kept appearing days after the election, only in Democrat-dominated cities, and were 95% for Biden. Why, it's just like one would expect if the Democrats were so unprepared for Trump's winning margin that it took them days to forge enough ballots to overcome it.
Sooooooooooo many issues....
I think Biden admitted it right the first time whether he meant to say it out-load or not. Sometimes a little truth comes out of a compulsive liars mouth completely unintentionally.
"We're in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for President Obama's administration before this, we have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics."
“…..random partisans ….. who could have actually violated the data integrity?”
Right. People who wanted to examine the machines in front of witnesses might do this, but election workers with total access in the middle of the night would never do this, though.
Lol. Useful idiot indeed.
political observers are a thing. if you think elections workers are not being observed..... you should talk to your local party leaders because that is their fault, not the workers.
You mean the ones kicked out or held in separate rooms in Fulton County?
nope. i mean the ones actually appointed by the political parties..... not the random fucks walking in off the street and demanding access.
“…random fucks…. demanding access.”
Lol. Are they demanding to not be observed too? Maybe they’re “demanding” to take the machines home so they can “violate the data integrity” in the comfort of their own living rooms?
Paranoid much?
Thirteen of these counts are applied to Trump, who is charged with a RICO violation, three counts of solicitation of violation of oath by a public officer, two counts of conspiracy to commit forgery, two counts of conspiracy to commit false statements and writings, two counts of making false statements and writings, conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer, conspiracy to commit filing false documents, and filing false documents.
Well, we know that Dirty Donnie is guilty but like Sandy (OBL) says he is also above the law and will be treated like royalty.
Guilty of what, Plugstick?
The section I quoted.
ENB has this. You back off.
How did he commit forgery, Pluggo? What where his "false statements and writings"?
turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
You were banned for posting kiddie porn links.
I was indeed banned for posting kiddie porn links. Sweet delicious children.
I don’t know that Trump is guilty. Guilty of what exactly? Making public wild vote-count tendencies? Asking to have an investigation for election fraud? Asking for a re-vote because election law was most definitely violated?
I do know Democratic governors who changed election law by executive fiat are guilty though and I’m pretty sure after-hours ballot counting isn’t lawful either and I’m pretty sure live TV showing Trumps votes being deleted is probably evidence of guilt and I do know mail voting was validated because they were consistent with In-Person voting and the last election was loaded LITERALLY LOADED with evidence of fraud in the election.
If there’s any racketeering going on around here it is Democrats and their useless, pathetic and consistent attempts to “hang the witch” and charge a victim for asking for an investigation into what he and many others feel is a crime against the nation.
Seriously; Do you really think witch-hunting anyone who bring evidence to the table is some form of justice??? RU completely mad?
The WORST and most undeniable part in the way Hillaries claims versus Trumps claims were addressed is Democrats pure EVIL in charging the supposed victim versus investigating for truth. HOW LONG was Hillaries claims investigated for truth? HOW LONG was Trumps claims investigated for truth? Think; If that's even possible for leftards like yourself.
Australia Is Banning Nazi Symbols to Curb the Far Right.
https://time.com/6286524/australia-ban-nazi-symbols/
Don't go to Australia, dude.
By your own metrics, Shrike, you're what you call far-right.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
That’ll stop ‘em. They couldn’t possibly put some other symbol on their armbands.
"like Sandy (OBL) says he is also above the law and will be treated like royalty"
Ummmmmmmmm, no?
I said you #Resistance dorks have been regurgitating bombshell tipping point walls closing in beginning of the end for so many years now, that I can't be sure Trump is going to prison until I see him physically being led there.
I also pointed out keeping the focus on Trump is consistent with Democratic strategy since 2016. And it only backfired that time because Clinton was the worst Dem nominee in decades.
#ReadingComprehension
It also gets to the point that the GOP voters themselves should have taken the tack they used to for several decades, that when your guy loses for the first time, drop him and move on because the chances of a Republican going on to win an election after losing for the first time is pretty slim unless there's a major political realignment that favors it. Bush, Romney, McCain--these guys all got dropped, and Trump have been, too, if nothing else because he's too damn old and there's no way in hell the establishment will let him in that seat again, irrespective of any vote totals. They practically laid out their playbook for it in the Time magazine article.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
We’re a queer couple looking for co-parents to raise a child with. It’s been quite a saga
Jeffy has six mommies.
They want to be parents, but you know, like part time though. They need more 'us' time than being a full time parent affords. God help that child if they 'get' one.
I wonder which kids turn out more fucked up:
The inner city kid, surrounded by poverty and crime, who's dad left him
or
The suburban (or upper class urban) kid who has 4-5 LGBTQ co-parents to guide them.
Really hard to say who gets more fucked, but man, the nuclear family looks better and better.
I wonder why the Asians and Jews, who constantly have kids that thrive and succeed, haven't thought to try either of the above
Here's one example:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/melissa-etheridge-son-beckett-cypher-dead-obituary-999410/
In a sparing, but (more) fair, defense of the few real/genuine/honest/conservative homosexuals out there (assuming they exist), I remain unconvinced that the death of David Crosby’s kid from a drug overdose had anything to do with lifestyle factors.
He wasn't exactly a role model until he jumped on the Covid censorship bandwagon. By then the four dead in Ohio had ventilators jammed down their throats. But he was cool with that.
I tried to find something to quote in that article about parenting and came away stumped. There is simply nothing there or in the article link to "in our search" about raising children, other than in the abstract. It is all about them and their fantasy "co-parents". Children are not accessories.
Children are not accessories.
"And the boy was something that mommy wouldn't wear" - Pearl Jam
Mom1: "Look! Our little Jeremy drew me a picture!"
Mom3: "What's that at the bottom?"
They’re both more likely to kill people, but the latter is more likely to kill itself in the end.
Really hard to say who gets more fucked…
I have a guess as to which kid gets more literally fucked.
These things should not be allowed children
The fact that tReason didn't refute every charge means that they support every charge. Not declaring Trump's innocence is the same as declaring his guilt. What a bunch of leftists.
Weak troll, Sarckles. Have another bottle and try harder.
It’s getting pretty lame.
I don't know about Reason, but it was ENB's article, so draw your own conclusions.
Speaking of charges, someone at Reason must be doing some real investigative reporting on the discovery of Joe and Hunter's interesting financial transactions, right?
I'm assuming they're just trying to get all the facts locked down before they go to print. Go get 'em, Matt!
The fact that tReason is not reporting on Hunter means that they think he's innocent on all counts. Even if they do report on it, they've already declared that they think he's innocent by not declaring his guilt. Anyone who says differently, including tReason, is a liar and a leftist.
Now you're not even trying.
The president has been accused of bribery, and the evidence is looking credible. The reason Reason has kept completely silent on the story is self-explanatory.
It’s more than just Hunter, obviously. It includes Joe.
Anyway, as I’ve said, they’re probably just trying to get all the facts locked down. I’m sure they learned their lessons from the whole Trump/Russia fiasco. They don’t want to jump the gun. It’s not that they're leftists, it’s just that they’re trying to be responsible reporters this time.
Most of what Reason does is regurgitate the news with a libertarian spin. So if something isn't in the news they're probably not going to report on it.
This lie doesn’t work when Mike says it, it doesn’t work when you say it. Reason is not a news site. They apply opinion including criticism all the time. That is the majority of the work on this website.
Libertarian spin is literally opinion. And it is absent from this writeup, which is what is being discussed.
When you lie about small things you lie about everything.
You're suggesting that it's not in the news? Or not in the news where Reason reporters would look?
Funny, I was just listening to the most recent Reason Roundtable podcast and it was full of Reason’s chief editors complaining about the weakness of the Federal government’s investigations so far of the Bidens, the shadiness of the rejected Hunter Biden plea deal, etc.
Guess I was just hallucinating because you say it’s not possible I was hearing what I was hearing.
Super! I don't listen to their podcast, so at no point did I say you weren't hearing what you were hearing.
But as you might have noticed up above, I said "go to print". If the editors have been talking about it, then it's coming soon.
Most of the Reason discussions I've seen on the subject of Hunter are on the gun and drug laws he's being charged with breaking, not the business deals. On that subject I've seen so many conflicting news stories that I'm not sure what is going on. I would imagine they're waiting until it's less confusing before they weigh in, but that's just a guess.
Oh, don’t pretend you weren’t making sarcastic insinuations about the Reason staff’s partisan loyalties.
By "not in the news" I mean "no new developments in the last couple days."
We can get to the bottom of this real quick: just have one chick/dude accuse hunter of misgendering her/him and the force field drops and anything goes. He’ll be indicted more than trump.
Do I have to think of everything? Jeez.
Sarc, do you think it is libertarian to ignore bad government actions? Because that is what your statement infers here. Reason isn't exactly deft of criticism against government in its history, yet here you defend no criticism. The choice not criticize is a choice. Sorry youre too stupid to understand this.
Is that the sound of walls closing in that I hear?
Given Trump's leaps in the polls every time the Democrats concoct new charges, if this keeps up he'll become president again by popular acclaim.
I think that "indictment bump" is more mythological than real.
The polls don't exactly line up.
Greg Price did what ENB won't do and went through the indictment to show the evidence apparently attached to the indictment, with images.
Greg Price
@greg_price11
Things that are now illegal according to the Georgia indictment:
.
- Asking people for phone numbers
- Reserving rooms in a Capitol building
- Telling people to watch TV
- Getting people to attend legislative hearings.
More things that are now illegal according to the indictment:
.
- Holding meetings
- Calling people
- Asking people to call special sessions of legislatures
- Setting up phone calls
- Getting contact information for people
- Sending emails
- Observing signature match audits on mail in ballots
- Asking people to speed up signature match audits.
.
Things that people are now being charged for.
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1691291587202998272
A libertarian should question the criminalization of these charges given the evidence in the indictment. Or even just read the transcript the media reports incorrectly on.
Trump and his associates are charged with 41 criminal counts overall, including conspiracy to commit election fraud, conspiracy to defraud the state, and violating Georgia's Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act.
A libertarian would question what the limiting factor is here. Based on the charges any electoral cases taken to courts or officials would now be illegal. Gore would be in jail.
The Crux of the conversations in GA were about illegal votes. Thus is more than half the transcript of Trumps call in GA and 90% of his campaign teams filing. We know illegal election changes occurred due to trials and more claims never investigated, again per the call.
Democrats want to make this illegal and ENB appears to accept it in this case. But what limits it in the future?
this is all kangaroo court bullshit, straight out of the Cardinal Richelou playbook.
"show me the man and I'll show you the crime"
"Find the votes" seems to be what a lot of people are leaning on as some smoking gun. But that seems like a big nothing. It's not "change the vote totals". Finding (supposedly legitimate) votes seems to be something that happens a lot in elections lately. I'm pretty sure any candidate with a good legal team is on the phone to various election officials with similar requests after any close election.
It was primarily illegal votes discussed on the call.
A firefighters job is literally to risk their lives to save others.
But it’s a lot harder if you have to fight the fire and save them without water.
The hydrants are all supplied by electric pumps instead of water pressure from towers. So they kept the power on, which lead to more fires as power lines fell. Want to bet that water towers are banned by law to protect the scenic views?
Meanwhile, the usual suspects at the Guardian and CNN are blaming climate change for lower rainfall on an island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
The last of the expected criminal indictments against former President Donald Trump has dropped.
The last so far. They haven't even gotten to the mattress tag removal, or the lathering and rinsing but not repeating, or the recording of baseball games without the express written consent of MLB.
Those are all at least real things.
Compare that to being charged with demanding an investigation into fraud, keeping your old work documents and your accountant claiming income in a box that the IRS said was correct, but an activist NY prosecutor decided isn't.
And just like that, nobody is talking about the 'special prosecutor' looking into Hunter's shady business deals.
That ‘special prosecutor’ is racketeering and committing insurrection!!!! /s
The fact that tReason hasn't reported on it means they think he's innocent. Doesn't matter what they say now, they've already said it all.
Careful. Your delusions are getting ahead of yourself. 🙂
My delusions? I'm not the one who makes declarations of what people believe based upon what they don't say. I'm mocking the people who do. They know who they are.
You're exactly the one who makes declarations of what people believe based upon what they don’t say. You're doing it now, drunky.
One day sarc will graduate High School and learn what selection bias is. That day is not today.
There they are.
Except it's not just Reason. Most media is studiously ignoring it. I can just imagine the non-stop circus it would be if one of Trump's children was in the same position.
Then why do I see stories about Hunter every time there is a new development?
Maybe I'm limiting myself too much when it comes to "regular news". I recently listened to NPR on my drives for a week or so and heard it mentioned in passing once or twice. And pretty much nothing about the House hearings except to note how crazy MTG is.
Try news that isn't US based. It tends to be more fair and balanced.
No it doesn't. It just more closely aligns to your left leaning neo-con sensibilities.
Right, sure. Nobody is talking about it, except the House Republicans, Fox and a dozen similar news outlets, dozens of people showing up on my X feed, etc.
How’s that conservative victimhood narrative going today?
racketeer: [noun] one who obtains money by an illegal enterprise usually involving intimidation.
Ya know; Like what the Democrats have always been doing.
Racketeering charges, ffs. And Trump's TWEETS are evidence of his criminal acts.
Fox News notices Sleepy Joe's manufacturing boom:
US manufacturing sector reaping benefits of reshoring
Shocks to global supply chains and vulnerabilities they exposed have increased manufacturing firms' willingness to reshore operations to the U.S.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/us-manufacturing-sector-reaping-benefits-reshoring
LMAO.... And just like that Tariffs are A+++ but just yesterday they were Trumps worst sin ever.... UR such a predictable partisan fanboy.
That’s “fan person” please.
Pluggo's more a groupie. He gets fucked by the Biden Administration yet continues to cheer them on.
Spending money on green projects that literally nobody wants has never worked as a solution.
Biden is burning money. But what does he care? He's dead soon.
Manufacturing for green busses sure worked out well right shrike?
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
WTF is wrong over at Fox News?
Retail sales rise more than expected as consumers pick up spending
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/retail-sales-july-2023
Are they campaigning for old Joe now?
No they just aren't partisan hacks like you that projects *their own* [WE] affiliation gang RULES (i.e. democrats mob-rules democracy) onto everyone else in sight.
Retail sales are not adjusted for inflation. Hmm...what could have possibly caused consumers to spend more?
Almost as surprising as CNBC admitting Biden Year 2 was "Wall Street’s worst year since 2008."
Remember --- he loathes Biden.
Really, he does. Ask him.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Credit card debt at 1T. #Bidenomics
Lol. Are they counting theft as “retail sales” now?
I am happy to see that the charges include the false accusation made about Georgia election workers. Election workers are little people, neighbors, family and friends in your community. Their work makes elections in this country possible. To vilify these workers because your vanity is bruised is sinking to the lowest levels.
Or maybe it was the after-hours illegal counting.
To vilify these workers because your vanity is bruised is sinking to the lowest levels.
Yep. It's shameful. Not that he or any of his Faithful are capable of shame.
Criticizing people engaged in after-hours illegal counting should be criminal, right Sarckles?
sarcasmic is no moderate, that is for sure!
Jail time for hurt feelings!
Was Ashley Babbitt a little person?
Yes she was and she was lured in by Trump's lies.
Lol. She was shot while unarmed as 3 officers stood on the same side of a door as her unconcerned. Your team gave the cop who shot her a medal.
Looking more and more everyday like the real liars were you.
yes it should be a crime to criticize others
Hate speech is not free speech, amirite?
There really is nothing moderate about Moderation4Ever.
His ire towards Leftists stepping on people's rights is really, really moderate, in his defense.
He's just Shrike aka Jeffy under another sock.
"To vilify these workers because your vanity is bruised is sinking to the lowest levels."
And a crime?
Yup. Election workers and teachers. Beyond reproach.
“How dare you!” Lol.
Maui wildfires have claimed at least 99 lives as of Monday.
And a No Comment from Biden. Tough to tie this to global warming, I guess.
The Washington Post is covering that for him.
"What is a Maui?"
I've read a few things about it and it sounds like it may be largely the fault of bad preparation and response from fire departments who didn't properly contain the initial fire when high winds were expected.
Also, they closed schools, so parents who had to work left their kids at home to get burned up.
Who is Ms. Pink Beret and more.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/jan-6-capitol-hill-security-footage-challenges-key-narratives
Bystanders in the huge crowds at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 couldn't help but notice the young woman with the stylish clothes, high heels, Dolce & Gabbana handbag, and a pink beret perched on her head. She became known on social media by the hashtag #PinkBeret.
"It is clear Pink Beret was on a mission to get to the Capitol as quickly as possible and to be one of the first to get there," Neely's attorney, Kira West, wrote in a court filing. "We know this because she ran across grass—in heels."
Ms. Geller was observed outside the Senate parliamentarian's entrance, directing people into the building with a stick. Ms. West wrote in a court filing that the sight reminded her of Italian conductor Arturo Toscanini.
The Gellers are living in Thailand with their 10-month-old daughter. So far, the FBI has not made moves to arrest the pair and extradite them back to the United States to face trial.
Wonder why?
Federal prosecutors charged two men with assaulting Mr. Sicknick with pepper spray: Julian Elie Khater, 34, of Somerset, New Jersey, and George P. Tanios, 41, of Morgantown, West Virginia.
In the center, however, an MPD commander fired numerous bursts of pepper spray from a high-velocity tank that snaked 20 feet or more into the crowd, the video shows. Both the stream of pepper spray and a plume of cast-off caused by stiff winds passed near the left side of Sicknick’s face, the video shows.
The New York Times published a 2021 story claiming Mr. Trump's supporters smashed Mr. Sicknick's head with a fire extinguisher, causing his death. That claim was eventually retracted but is still repeated 30 months after Mr. Sicknick's death.
The next claim was that his death was caused by a potent bear spray wielded by Mr. Khater and Mr. Tanios. While Mr. Tanios said he had bear spray canisters in his backpack in the event the men were attacked by Antifa, the spray was never used.
Every single White Mike narrative has now collapsed.
Will he now engage in some self-reflection? (lol)
Looks like the NYT and every media company that parroted this lie needs to have their license revoked.
This could be entertaining; wonder what could possibly go wrong?
https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/article_72f51d42-3aef-11ee-a559-9be65471f74d.html
Gov. J.B. Pritzker has signed a measure that allows multi-occupancy bathrooms in the Land of Lincoln to be genderless if a business or public institution chooses.
State Rep. Katie Stuart, D-Edwardsville, filed House Bill 1286. The new law allows for any multiple-occupancy restroom to be identified as an all-gender multiple-occupancy restroom and designated for use by any person of any gender.
The law sets up protections for those using the bathrooms, requiring stalls to have floor-to-ceiling dividers that lock. Urinals also would not be allowed, and no businesses would be required to install all-gender multi-occupancy restrooms.
Seems fine but why does government need to be involved with saying "you can have whatever bathroom and rules around it you like". I is confused.
Well, the government will have to hire bureaucrats to make sure that any businesses that wish to comply with this law have the proper signage and facilities, and probably need to have a non gendered person to clean the bathrooms.
Because of title IX and ADA (among others). If you have more mens stalls that's sexist and don't dare think you can choose the height of the toilet paper dispenser.
One of my major pet peeves in a public washroom. Why is it that the toilet paper dispenser always needs to be right at knee height?
I is confused.
Because the purpose is to make you bend the knee and tell the party there are five lights.
Despite Pritzker's retardation, a collection of individual occupancy rooms all sharing one or more floor-to-ceiling walls and/or doors is not (or no longer) a multi-occupancy room. It's a collection of individual rooms with shared access. Case in point: nobody goes into "*the* changing room" unless it actually is a single room with a single door, a collection of them are called "the changing room*s*" and the individual rooms are rather specifically not multi-occupancy, regardless of how retarded the Governor wants to make himself look.
Urinals also would not be allowed,
It really is just all about getting trans-women into cis-women's spaces.
No mandatory urinals for FtM trans individuals, just straight up "Men-like individuals can find a fucking alleyway to pee in for all we care, we've gotta find a way to lock these cis-women in with trans-men while their pants are down!"
I do wonder, though, how many actual women would use these multi-gender bathrooms.
Urinals are racist in any case.
Bidenomics!
https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_2fc2c9cc-3aca-11ee-aadd-dffdef64645f.html
Food and gas prices continue to rise, putting a strain on Americans’ budgets even as reports shows inflation is slowing.
Gas prices have risen significantly in recent weeks, according to pricing data from AAA. Gas prices hit a record high earlier in the Biden administration, surpassing an average of $5 per gallon nationally, before dropping back down.
Food prices have risen as well. The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics last week released its Consumer Price Index and Producer Price Index, two key markers of inflation that showed prices rose less than half a percentage point last month.
“American families need relief from persistent and painful high prices,” Said Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo. “Joe Biden signed the Democrats’ reckless tax and spending spree into law one year ago. He claimed more spending would bring down prices. Once again, he was wrong. Prices are still going up. Americans are facing sky-high prices at the grocery store, at the gas pump, and while back-to-school shopping. They’re digging into their dwindling savings just to keep up.”
Sen. Rick Scott, R-Fla., also took a shot at Biden after the data was released.
“This week, I have been traveling Florida to hear what issues families are facing, and in each big city or small town I stop in one thing keeps getting mentioned—inflation,” Scott said.
"Food and gas prices continue to rise, putting a strain on Americans’ budgets even as reports shows inflation is slowing."
But Barbies are cheaper than ever! So it all evens out.
Voters shrugged off spiking consumer prices in 2022. They'll do so again (as rates of increase drop off) unless and until unemployment spreads. Most voters can deal with moderately rising prices. Losing one's job is another thing. The media will do its best to promote President Harris and her historic skin color womanly rise to the presidency against the evil Trumphitler criminal. Watch the unemployment rate in key swing states to see how 2024 will turn out.
Credit card debt is at 1T and 401k hardship loans are increasing. Analysis shows monthly costs are 709 more a month. Who is shrugging this off? Even the jobs reports shows a huge growth in 2nd jobs. People are not managing. Stop lying about it to protect dems.
“The last of the expected criminal indictments against former President Donald Trump has dropped.”
Oh, come on. There’s plenty of states with Democratic AGs who can join the queue and keep new indictments coming right up to the 2024 election. The verdict isn’t the goal, just the indictment and trial.
There's also plenty of Red state AGs who are studying the new playbook for future use against any surging Democrat vote totals.
They need to start doing this right away.
Do you remember Maraxus?
https://ethicsalarms.com/2023/08/14/the-ethics-zugzwang-of-trump-vs-the-democrats-part-2-how-can-the-same-democratic-party-strategy-be-designed-to-help-trump-and-hurt-him-at-the-same-time/#comment-852344
- Maraxus
- Maraxus
The Democratic Party has become the party of Maraxus. They kmust be stopped at any and all costs!
Tub of Lard in state with most nuke plants vetos ending moratorium on building more nuke plants.
https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/article_311be39a-388a-11ee-ba01-2bf3813cf650.html
Illinois’ moratorium on new nuclear power plant construction will stay in place for now after Gov. J.B. Pritzker vetoed a bill that would have lifted the ban.
The legislation would have invalidated a 1987 law that prohibited new nuclear power facilities from being built until a permanent waste storage option was made available.
State Sen. Sue Rezin, R-Morris, said the governor is putting his own partisan political ambitions over what is in the best interest of the people of Illinois.
“The governor’s decision to veto Senate Bill 76 is a short-sighted mistake that will hurt our state’s future energy portfolio," Rezin told The Center Square.
Well, maybe the tub of lard has a point. Illinois keeps losing population, so why would it need more electricity?
I am sure that Chicago can get enough power for 8 million people from solar panels in January. Plus they have all that wind from the lake. It's not like the turbines stop turning when they ice up or anything.
"The last of the expected criminal indictments against former President Donald Trump has dropped."
The last? Pssshaw. They'll never be done.
…until after the 2024 election.
If Trump wins, it'll be impeachment time again.
If Trump loses, he could still run in 2028, so more indictments will be needed.
Well if the asshole would stop committing crimes maybe they'd be done at some point.
It's cute that you think that. Good little soldier.
There are a lot of good little soldiers around, on both sides.
Eventually they will nail Trump both for the federal funding of the research that led to COVID and for the vaccine injuries resulting from the emergency authorization. The buck has to stop somewhere.
"...Latest Trump indictment alleges "racketeering enterprise to overturn Georgia's presidential election result"..."
Wrong-think in a rented tux
Somehow I'm picturing Edward G. Robinson playing Trump in the movie. " Find those votes, see. I don't care how you do it, see. Get those votes."
The plus side to all these investigations, indictments, and impeachments is that hopefully the average person won’t take government seriously anymore, like in Italy.
Hopefully it's the start to holding politicians accountable- something the average non-cultist person really wants.
You mean like holding FJB accountable for soliciting bribes?
If that's what it is, then it's a really bad start because they are selectively focusing on only one politician and ignoring everyone who plays nice with the establishment.
Remember when Trump called Zelenskyy to take a second look at the circumstances regarding the firing of that prosecutor?
Hang the traitor.
Wowzers, tell us how you really feel.
Will do what's your address and do you have rope or should I pick some up?
But who to start with? Wray? Pelosi? Garland? Fauci? Brennan? McConnell?
Fauci
And his crooked son Hunter.
Hang yourself, Shrike.
Good news the Maui chief of police is the same guy who was captain of the lvpd during the massacre. This guy really knows how to oceratrate, ee I mean handle a disaster
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/las-vegas-police-captain-named-police-chief-in-maui-hawaii-2454245/
I missed the part where President Trump was alleged to have offered a bribe.
"No comment."
https://nypost.com/2023/08/15/consoler-in-chief-lounge-chair-biden-revealing-his-true-self/
President Biden lounged Sunday on Rehoboth Beach while the town of Lahaina on the island of Maui was still smoking, with photos of the once-idyllic paradise showing a charred wasteland.
The grim images, the unfathomable loss of life, the haunting, sickening knowledge the news would only worsen as the days passed: It would have brought any stoic to tears.
But not beach bum Biden.
When asked about the mounting death toll from the country’s deadliest wildfire in a century, he gave a cold, “No comment,” reported Bloomberg White House correspondent Justin Sink, who tweeted a picture of Biden relaxing on the sandy shore, looking like Chris Christie in his infamous 2017 Beachgate scandal.
On Biden’s return to Washington Monday, he avoided reporters altogether.
What kind of human doesn’t have a simple sympathetic sentiment to share? What kind of leader can’t spare a moment to offer a message of hope, sorrow, and support?
Considering his lifetime achievement of plagiarism and ridiculous lies including everything from claiming the other driver in his wife and daughter’s fatal accident was drunk and he supported gay marriage as far back as his high-school years, I don’t believe he was ever the good ol’ empathetic Uncle Joe sold to the country.
Instead of addressing the traumatized people of Maui, the president put out a statement on social media: “As residents of Hawai’i mourn the loss of life and devastation taking place across their beautiful home, we mourn with them. Like I’ve said, not only our prayers are with those impacted — but every asset we have will be available to them.”
Its more clear every day, he has advanced dementia. This is how my grandfather got when his Alzheimer's got bad: abrupt, often rude, and confused.
He doesn't have the mental capacity to correctly run a lemonade stand. But this is what the dems want: weekend at Bernie's suits walking around blindly pushing establishment agenda.
"Just say 'aye' "
Maybe he should have thrown paper towels at them.
hi
Nothing about sex workers?
You morons really ought to sue someone for what they have done to your brains. Are you aware that it’s not actually morally required of you to be Donald Trump’s personal fleshlight? Like, what did he even do for you besides kill your grandmother? Make it permissible to be openly racist at your local cousin-fucker watering hole? Like, it’s okay to jump ship. It was okay at any point in the last decade.
Obviously the sheer number of crimes Trump is charged with is evidence that he must be innocent as pure unspoiled snow. Conspiracies must be spectacular or they can’t be secret. Nevertheless, you’re not required to beclown yourselves for posterity.
Oh look who decided to show his little postmodernist ass here today. Are the charges as relative as everything else to you, Tony?
It’s so cute that Jordan Peterson, middling psychiatrist, taught you a philosophical term.
Dumbfuck, I used and knew of the term long before I knew of a Jordan Peterson. So, Tony, you still think people can change sex at will?
I see ChatGPT is still online.
On a related note.
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1691267611395330048
Funny to watch them speak about that when every Presidential election won by a Republican since 2000 has been contested by the Democrats. Every. Fucking. Single. Election.
That’s because they’ve all been corrupt. Was 2000 regular order? What about 2016 or 2020? Republicans are corrupt and don’t believe in democracy. And they try to steal elections even though they can’t ever seem to win the popular vote.
So which is it, elections are corrupted, or not?
So Chony went full election denier.
He's also Shrike (see above).
My longtime Usenet ally, Christopher Charles Morton, wrote this.
https://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=379970&p=4515565#post4515565
– Chris, dba Deanimator
Chris’s reasoning applies with equal force here. For what was the whole “Trump Colluded with the Russians®™ to Steal the 2016 Election” propaganda campaign but a racket to undermine the lawfully elected President? That racket included perjury committed by Kevin Clinemith, a lawyer for the FBI. Not only was Clinesmith spared prison, he was not even disbarred.
When will Peter Strzok be prosecuted?
When will the Cunt®™ (legally known as Hillary Rodham Clinton) be prosecuted?
When will Obama be prosecuted?
When will FJB be prosecuted?
Chris was right!
I’m sure we agree that any powerful person who committed a crime should be prosecuted.
So, are we in agreement that Biden should be impeached, removed, and prosecuted, Shrike?
Can you explain the crime for us?
Be honest, how depressing is it for you now knowing with absolute certainty that your beloved Barack Obama is gay, but at the same time also knowing that he is never ever going to spread his butt cheeks apart for you simply because you're white?
That’s the whole thing, isn’t it? If you acknowledge that Trump is a traitorous incompetent criminal of cosmic proportions, you might have to question every other conspiracy theory you were fed by fascist podcasts or FOX News or whatever. Climate change might be real. You might be a redneck. It’s all too much for one brain to cope with, so it retreats to rationalizations for its own behavior.
Are you another Shrike sock? You sound a hell of a lot like Pluggo and Jeffy right now.
humans are speciating right in front of our eyes.
This isn't about Trump, dingdong.
You actually believe this is about Trump? So it’s not about possible consequences born of the perverse and selective application of justice?
"Like, what did he even do for you"
- De-Regulated
- Cut "armed-theft" taxation
- Made a stronger USD instead of inflated our labors into nothing
- Repealed the UN-Constitutional executive orders from Obama
- Didn't believe in turning the USA into a [Na]tional So[zi]alist nightmare.
- Allowed oil pipelines to be created
- Didn't try to Marshal Law the entire nation because of the flu.
- Generally allowed States to handle COVID
- Specifically stomped out the FDA to allow vaccination
- Tried to stop the illegal invasion Obama dictatively invited.
- Didn't try to Nazi-Monopolize the energy sector.
- Worked out a less Nazi trade deal with Mexico and Canada.
And the list goes on and on and on and one..........
What has Biden done besides cause another Great Inflation like the Great Recession of Obama or the Great Depression of FDR?
Or it all can just be summed up as; Believed in the USA (Make America Great Again) instead of constantly trying to conquer and destroy it and turn it into a [Na]tional So[zi]alist Empire controlled nation.
Christian Science Monitor takes a deep dive into this educational trend:
I’m going to need someone else, maybe someone with a more traditional understanding of how English and rhetoric work, to explain to me how “microschools” are different from pretty much every other club and extracurricular activity ever. Is it that these “microschools” are educational while every sports team, band, chess club, digital/analog gaming club, 4-H, FFA, etc., etc., has as their explicit aim of *not* educating children?
Now the indictments are just getting ridiculous, which just proves it is a witch hunt.
Imagine being dumb enough to take all these Trump charges at face value, to think that the DA is just operating normally. SMDH
“What is POLITICAL PERSECUTION OF A RIVAL for 1,000?”
And now my SRG2 handle is being spoofed. This is a pain in the fucking arse, and there doesn't seem to be a reasonable work-around - going into source code or blocking and unblocking to see which handles remain or disappear is tedious and should be unnecessary.
I thought there was some restriction on using handles that people set in their accounts. I guess it's usually possible to make a slight, invisible modification so the text isn't identical.
Or the dipshit switched his screen name to sockpuppet his own argument and it got swiped. It was confirmed in another day's links that the underlying userID was found in multiple places. I am not sure where to check for that, but I also really don't care.
Regardless, the fact that he is using SRG2 has nothing to do with spoofing. And it is funny to watch him flail.
Well, someone using SRG2 is deffo spoofing me...
Maybe stop sockpuppeting so much and you won't lose your handles when you switch.
Glad I stopped by the morning thread first, or I'd have no idea what was going on.
Fuck off. I have never sock-puppeted, as indeed one or two unlikely defenders have confirmed. I was SRG, then. after somehow SRG got ripped off, I changed to SRG2 - though that too got ripped off.
And it's evident that you don't have to be signed out or logged in as someone else to get spoofed.
Maybe, as an obnoxiously arrogant piece of shit you manage to piss off people, asshole.
You could make humanity better by fucking off and dying, TDS-addled pile of shit.
Sevo, I apologize for mistaking you for an elementary school child shouting insults on the playground. That vocabulary makes it clear that you are an adult with the mind of an elementary school child.
I see you’ve met the infamous spoofer, Tulpa.
Yeah, it sucks, and Reason has done little to address the problem.
‘Clockwork’: Four Trump Indictments Drop After Four Damning Biden Business Revelations
But Reason is silent on Four Damning Biden Business Revelations
But Reason is silent on Weiss appointment
But Reason silent on Biden's refusal to comment on Maui fire.
Almost makes one think Reason is a Biden supporting left wing main stream media Biden sycophant organization.
No, they aren’t.