Law Profs Tout Qualified Immunity for Unconstitutional Gun Restrictions
Promoting impunity for violating rights as a policy tool? What could go wrong?

Some ideas are so terrible that combining them into a cocktail of awfulness makes rotten sense. So it is with gun control and qualified immunity: Why not mix impunity for violating basic rights with denial of a specific right so as to maximize the harm? At least, that's the inspiration that struck two law professors who propose qualified immunity for enforcing even overtly unconstitutional gun control measures. While the duo sees the idea as much as a means of weakening officials' protections from liability as for promoting restrictions on private arms, it's a dangerous innovation that could entrench authoritarianism.
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Constitutional Protections Are So Frustrating
"Gun regulation seems to have hit a legal brick wall," complain Guha Krishnamurthi, associate professor at the University of Maryland Francis King Carey School of Law, and Peter Salib, assistant professor at the University of Houston Law Center in Notre Dame Law Review Reflection. "In New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. v. Bruen, the Supreme Court threw out what had been the standard approach for applying the Second Amendment to gun laws."
Krishnamurthi and Salib argue that Bruen impedes "regulatory innovation" and leaves lawmakers "shackled to the regulations of the distant past." That's an interesting way of regretting that government is bound to respect constitutional protections for individual rights. But the two legal thinkers have a fresh regulatory innovation to propose for bypassing such protections—or, at least, a fresh way of applying a controversial legal doctrine to achieve their desired ends.
Feature? Bug? What's the Difference?
"Qualified immunity is a doctrine that protects government officials from liability for allegedly violating an individual's constitutional rights, when the officials' actions do not clearly violate the law," they note. "The theory is that state officials should not be monetarily liable unless a 'reasonable person would have known' that their conduct was unconstitutional."
Some people might argue that qualified immunity is a bad thing. "Something has gone seriously wrong in our criminal justice system when the federal courts are running this kind of interference on behalf of blatantly unconstitutional police actions," Reason's Damon Root wrote in 2020 on his way to calling for the doctrine to be abolished. But Krishnamurthi and Salib see opportunity.
"Even if Bruen is eventually read to reject most or all new laws specifically aimed at regulating guns, states may retain significant power to decide who is and is not armed," they insist. "That power will be effectuated via state law enforcement officers, pursuant to state law or traditional police powers, and enacted via case-by-case disarmaments. Under current qualified immunity doctrine, such disarmaments would enjoy broad protection against monetary liability."
Basically, they propose that police seize guns from whomever their Spidey senses tell them ought not be allowed to own firearms. Those on the receiving end of gun grabs could pursue expensive litigation that might win them back their property but is otherwise unlikely to result in consequences for misbehaving officers, even when the courts conclude that the Second Amendment has been violated.
Even if They Lose, They Win!
To give the authors their due, they're not huge fans of qualified immunity as such. Instead, they see a clever—well, they think so—opportunity to squeeze conservatives between a rock and a hard place.
"Gun rights advocates, who lean conservative, would doubtless decry this state of affairs as lawless. Liberals and civil libertarians have long said the same about qualified immunity, albeit as applied to violations of other rights," they write. "The possibility of qualified immunity as a gun control law thus poses a dilemma for the conservative voting public: Support qualified immunity and police, at the expense of gun rights, or vice-versa?"
In their eagerness to stick it to their ideological foes, Krishnamurthi and Salib briefly acknowledge and then gloss over the existence of libertarians, who overwhelmingly oppose qualified immunity and support self-defense rights, and even of conservative critics of qualified immunity such as Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. The bright idea here is to weaponize qualified immunity so as to make conservatives' heads explode.
"Going forward, the doctrine will either provide cover for left-leaning states to disarm potentially dangerous citizens, even in tension with Second Amendment principles. Or it will be weakened, reinvigorating civil liability as a mechanism for policing the police."
Ha! Gotcha!
Or Maybe We All Lose
But if Krishnamurthi and Salib see deliberately creating tension between gun rights and qualified immunity as a means for building conservative support for stripping government officials of protections against liability for their misdeeds, their tactic is at least as likely to invigorate a liberal constituency for qualified immunity. Actually, if you assume (as I do) that people who pursue government office are more strongly wedded to wielding state power than to shielding people from it, that's a likelier outcome as left-leaning officials who might nominally oppose qualified immunity for reasons of tribal affiliation instead learn to love it as a means of pushing preferred policies past constitutional barriers.
Using qualified immunity to achieve gun control might nudge conservatives to question the doctrine. But it's easier to envision it becoming a popular means of working around not just the Second Amendment, but all sorts of constitutional protections. Clever idea, indeed.
Does the proposal in this law review article pose real danger? We live at a time when supposedly serious publications run piece claiming that "free speech is killing us," when the ACLU questions its own civil liberties mission, and when we're told that "freedom" is a fetish word for extremists.
"There is a long history of ugly freedoms in this country," George Washington University's Elisabeth Anker huffed last year. "From the start of the American experiment the language of freedom applied only to a privileged few."
Courts May Not Consider the Scheme So Clever
Encouraging politicians already embracing authoritarianism to attack protected rights is dangerous and deeply irresponsible. But there is hope since Krishnamurthi's and Salib's clever gambit was anticipated.
"The Supreme Court has never said that qualified immunity protects state actors who intentionally seek to violate a recognized constitutional right simply because the legal artifice they employ has not been the subject of a prior court decision," Robert Leider, assistant professor at George Mason University's Antonin Scalia Law School, pointed out earlier this year when officials proposed anti-gun policies they knew wouldn't stand scrutiny with the idea of daring people to risk arrest and litigation. "Denying qualified immunity in these cases could mitigate much of the resistance to Bruen. Law enforcement agencies are often regulated by their insurance providers, and insurance providers may deny coverage to jurisdictions engaged in willful court-defiant behavior."
Insurance companies seem unlikely saviors from government functionaries running roughshod over constitutional rights. But maybe that's what it takes to thwart law professors hoping to bypass legal protections for liberty.
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No, just no.
But isn't it just delightful that law professors are bending their intellect towards novel ways to subvert the legal system to crush liberty?
Um, that's what lawyers are designed to do.
No, that's what unscrupulous lawyers try to do, but not what officers of the court are designed to do. Lawyers can be and have been disbarred for subverting the legal system. Although it's unfortunate that lawyers serving as judges and "justices" themselves have been guilty of subverting the legal system, the remedy is not to sue them personally for doing so but, rather, to remove them from the bench and, sometimes, punish them criminally. It wouldn't be the first time that clever lawyers have put "tactics" ahead of principles to make some political point or advance a social agenda. These professors are not only evil, they're also idiots for floating yet another nuclear option ... what could possibly go wrong?
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"Under current qualified immunity doctrine, such disarmaments would enjoy broad protection against monetary liability."
So, I guess SCOTUS needs to fix that little fuck up of theirs next.
Unfortunately, it would not matter in this case. What the “professors” are proposing here is to IGNORE the Supreme Court by doing what is clearly illegal in already published decisions in order to tactically overwhelm the plaintiffs’ resources to achieve a highly questionable shift in “conservative” opinions! State, city and county officials have been using this strategy for decades if not centuries – passing and enforcing laws they KNOW are unconstitutional until months or years later they are struck down, only to pass and enforce NEW unconstitutional laws with slight changes in wording under some fake new legal theory. They get away with this BECAUSE they are protected by the absolute and qualified immunity doctrine! The only thing that might change this is to put a few "officials" in the Federal penitentiary for it.
Yeah, but QI was created by SCOTUS so that’s why I said they should fix it. By, for example, getting rid of it.
Well, perhaps. But if they got rid of it, what do you think would happen to the overall strategy of lower courts ignoring the change, dismissing lawsuits anyway and then doing it over and over again after being reversed?
Also, the concept of rejecting lawsuits against officials who were honestly doing their jobs is not particularly bad per se; it's the ABUSE of the principle by lower courts who use flimsy pretexts to dismiss the cases regardless of how egregious the official violations were.
Well that just applies to monetary liability from the infringing officers, the taxpayer generally pays considerably when the municipality settles up as they typically do sooner or later.
Interestingly I wonder if these professors would get QI when the lawsuits come at them for incitement to violate the Constitution.
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"To give the authors their due, they're not huge fans of qualified immunity as such. Instead, they see a clever—well, they think so—opportunity to squeeze conservatives between a rock and a hard place."
This presumes that conservatives have an ideological commitment to qualified immunity that progressives are in opposition to. This sems to be an assetion of facts not in evidence.
Bending over backwards to appear "fair" is what Reason writers frequently do, even when it's obviously unsupported by anything in the rest of the article itself. A reference to examples of liberal opposition to qualified immunity in, for example, civil rights cases would have been interesting.
So if conservatives don't like qualified immunity, let's get rid of it.
unless a 'reasonable person would have known' that their conduct was unconstitutional."
All reasonable people know that "shall not be infringed" means you can't infringe.
How about we grant QI to all students who beat the crap out of professors they disagree with? Is there supposed to be a difference between the protections of the first and second amendments?
The protection and preservation of our rights should be an inconvenience to the government. We should turn our backs to any request to surrender our rights that makes their jobs easier!
If the government laments that it is too difficult to do its job because its citizens have rights, then it's time to replace that government and burn the old guard to the ground.
They are not talking about QI, they are declaring a Police State is legal in America and very similar to the doctrine of prima noctis that was featured in the movie Brave Heart, '.... I (the State) will bless this marriage by taking the bride into my bed on the night of her union....'
“Fuck the police! End qualified immunity!”
How the turn tables.
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... that's the whole point of the paper. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
Suddenly, conservatives aren't so happy about qualified immunity once they're faced with the prospect of it being used against them.
So I say we get rid of it.
Of course, I'll probably be outvoted by the commenters here for whom the only rational policy choice is mass executions of their political enemies.
Citing the legal precedence of "God created man, Samuel Colt made them equal." I feel obligated to inform these lawyers that if they're going to claim qualified immunity in seizing my guns, under equality before the law I'm going to claim qualified immunity in turning over the ammunition, and if their qualified immunity isn't at least level III+, they're going to have a very bad day.
That won't work - QI applies in civil suits. Your failure to turn over ammo might lead to a criminal prosecution.
Of course, it's anomalous that the police can, in effect, plead ignorance of the law in a civil suit.
Ignorance of the law is a defense so long as you carry a gun and are authorized to assault and kill people for perceived violations.
However if you're assaulted or killed for something you didn't know was a violation, you have no excuse.
So no matter what, the little guy is fucked.
Assaulted or killed because the enforcer is ignorant of the law? Too fucking bad.
Assaulted or killed because you were ignorant of the law? Your fault.
The subordination of man to God is a cornerstone of Federalist Society legal theory in general, and Notre Dame Law School in particular.
Notre Dame's choice of Mike Pence as its commencement speaker was an alarm bell loud as any Quasimodo ever swung . You can read its coven of Deneenoid Anti-Constructionists in full cry in The American Spectator and First Things . They have as little use for the First Amendment as the Second, and would likely feel more at home in the Consistory of Geneva than a postmodern papal conclave.
Why look to obscure speeches made by dead-end political candidates at diminutive universities when The Crown-and-Church Papal State, erected by the DNC and enforced by the MSM, is so obviously ever-present and far more punitive/abusive?
I mean, at least lives didn’t depend on heliocentrism the way they depended on avoiding the religious indoctrination and enforcement of Branch COVIDian policy.
Whom do you think you’re fooling with your not-even-entertaining fairytales?
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Two
Posted: 18 Jul 2023 Guha Krishnamurthi University of Maryland Francis King Carey School of Law
Peter Salib University of Houston Law Center
Date Written: July 5, 2023
Seriously? *Now* is when you want to pull this shit? Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Obama… no time is a good time to be this stupid, but post-‘two weeks’, post-Summer of Love, after the years of record sales and ammo shortages, in the midst of the most unpopular Regime in recorded history handing out nepotistic, cronyist pardons and favors while openly persecuting its political enemies… this seems like the time to try and portray this as an intelligent proposal to *anyone*?
They are counting on a public that attended public schools where facts are malleable and feelings are absolute.
If we get rid of qualified immunity, such nonsense will (hopefully) disappear.
Conservatives traditionally support police and oppose eliminating QI, and they fully support unconstitutional gun laws when used against people they don't like. So logically they should be in agreement with these professors.
What a profoundly retarded statement!
Conservatives traditionally support police and oppose eliminating QI
The elimination of QI is an ENTIRELY bipartisan issue... as has been discussed and proven right here in the comments at Reason.com, Democrats will not touch qualified immunity with a 9,000' pole because QI is a bloody third rail in public sector union politics. It is the bread and butter of DNC political strength.
You must be thinking of a different comments section. In the one here at Reason.com the conservative leaning members of the commentariat routinely belittled and mocked any suggestion of QI reform, saying that because it wouldn't fix everything it wasn't worth doing at all, in reflexive opposition to suggestions of reform by those they perceive as representing the left.
I have belittled and mocked any suggestion of QI reform and have been proven right at every turn. I predicted that any state that attempted to introduce any reforms to QI would merely replace QI with full indemnification of their
employeesUnion Members.I have also proven, repeatedly, that the Teachers Unions don't want QI touched, as they are the largest beneficiaries of the doctrine.
It's all fun and games when we convince ourselves that eliminating QI will stop "bad policing" but then things get deadly serious when we start going after teachers. And teachers behaving badly invoke qualified immunity all the time.
Speaking for myself, I would LOVE to see QI eliminated, even though I know it would do little to reform anything, because of indemnification by government leaders as a benefit of employment.
But regardless, can you imagine the terrible beauty of thousands of teachers being personally sued for attempting to groom their kids into transgenderism?
You're setting a strawman on fire. Nobody claimed that QI is a silver bullet. All it means is that people get a chance to sue. With QI they never even see the inside of a courtroom. I don't see what good it does to oppose QI reform on the grounds that it's not good enough or you don't like the people who want it reformed.
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With any luck, he'll climb the Empire State building instead.
>>"Gun regulation seems to have hit a legal brick wall,"
feature.
And demonstrably untrue.
they never win the game.
I guess we should be happy that Reason has one (1) writer left who discusses 2nd amendment rights.
I guess since we're on the rarely discussed topic, Illinois just passed a law which caused thousands of gun owners to wake up and realize they were in possession of an illegal firearm, but it'll be ok as long as they register the illegal firearm with the state, at which point it will be confiscated.
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"Gun regulation seems to have hit a legal brick wall," complain Guha Krishnamurthi, associate professor at the University of Maryland Francis King Carey School of Law, and Peter Salib, assistant professor at the University of Houston Law Center in Notre Dame Law Review Reflection. "In New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. v. Bruen, the Supreme Court threw out what had been the standard approach for applying the Second Amendment to gun laws."
Perhaps Krishnamurthi and Salib might swing by the governor's mansions in Illinois and Washington and discuss how that brick wall doesn't seem to found in those places.
Oh, and Connecticut.
It's funny that memories are so short. The first up against the wall in a revolution are the Lawyers and students who advocated for the revolution.
Dick the Butcher had it right.
The first up against the wall in a revolution are the Lawyers and students
And redneck mothers.
Excellent article. Just two points omitted. You can't force the cops to back away from violating the Bill of Rights. Hunter Biden might rescue a right from a Harry Anslinger-Bert Hoover prohibition crippling! (Chorus of gasps from NSDAP infiltrators!) Secondly, Bobby Jr sez qualified immunity is good because it keeps moral opprobrium directed against utilities--so it's either coal or blackouts. Just imagine if Red China and Rooshia were to hire every ambulance-chaser in America to pettifog utilities for increasing the supply of life-giving electricity! Rights baaad: (https://bit.ly/3HqbdFJ)
"Qualified immunity is a doctrine that protects government officials from liability for allegedly violating an individual's constitutional rights, when the officials' actions do not clearly violate the law"
No, it's a doctrine that protects government officials from liability for violating constitutional rights even when the officials' action clearly DO violate the law! That's the problem here. The "doctrine" has been abused far more often than it has been properly applied. When there has been a question, the proper remedy should be to hear the evidence at trial, not to dismiss the case arbitrarily and capriciously with a sigh of relief!
"Liberals and civil libertarians have long said the same about qualified immunity, albeit as applied to violations of other rights"
I would have liked to have seen a few examples of where "liberals" have objected to qualified immunity in other cases. Perhaps the ACLU has filed a legal process concerning some other violations? Highly skeptical ...
More childlike fantasy from the millennial sheep.
Qualified immunity = totalitarianism. Until the government is held responsible, freedom can not be had.
Power requires responsibility, unless you are god, maybe even then.
These two brilliant professors overlooked one detail. Qualified immunity, immunizes public officials from monetary damages. It does not immunize a municipality or county from damages if a constitutional violation results from a custom, policy, or practice of the county or municipality. Any municipal or county police department or sheriffs office that authorizes its officers to engage in the policy and practice of violating the second amendment would be financially liable and would not be able to cite qualified immunity as a defense.
"Qualified immunity is a doctrine that protects government officials from liability for allegedly violating an individual's constitutional rights, when the officials' actions do not clearly violate the law," they note. "The theory is that state officials should not be monetarily liable unless a 'reasonable person would have known' that their conduct was unconstitutional."
A reasonable person DOES KNOW that most of the gun control laws INTENTIONALLY violate the 2nd amendment. In fact, the entire argument to apply qualified immunity to gun control is an ADMISSION of that fact.
Aside from bankrupting any municipality, read taxpayers, that attempts this as QI applies to individuals not the municipality; I think this is probably the best way to actually incite a massive armed revolt if not a direct overthrow of that municipality.
I know the sadistic professors will think that's fine since "the bad guys will go to jail" but that naively assumes they aren't going to be considered targets. Yes, shit runs downhill but revolt generally goes the other way. I wouldn't want to be a "professor Robespierre" pushing for revolution by the people already opposed to their position.