Sex Workers Want Rights, Not Rescue
Horrible things are happening to vulnerable people, but we cannot help them by sending groups of vigilantes or law enforcement officers to hunt them.

People love a rescue story, which is why Sound of Freedom is doing so well at the box office. But our obsession with stories about good guys with guns rescuing innocent victims has fueled policies that hurt the very people we claim to be trying to help. What makes for a compelling story often also makes for terrible public policy and even worse law enforcement practices.
Sound of Freedom is a fictionalized account of real-life Tim Ballard, who left his job as an undercover agent in the Department of Homeland Security to start his religiously funded nonprofit Operation Underground Railroad (OUR), where he orchestrated "operations" to entrap, film, and arrest people for trafficking children. As depicted in the film, Ballard did this by recruiting donors to set up situation rooms in their homes. He sent groups of volunteers with hidden cameras, microphones, and guns to pose as sex tourists visiting from the United States. OUR then staged elaborate raids where children are rescued.
OUR's claims have raised suspicions from anti-trafficking experts. Vice and Rolling Stone report that it overstates its success and that many anti-trafficking organizations have criticized OUR's lack of interest in providing sustained aftercare to children once they've been rescued. This concern was shared by one of the volunteers who participated in an OUR raid and who wrote about her misgivings for Slate. These stunts make the donors, the people playing the hero, and movie audiences feel good—but they don't solve the real problems.
The reality of child exploitation is much more complicated, and law enforcement often causes more problems than it solves. For example, the migrant children who were forcibly separated from their families by Border Patrol agents or private security services were neglected, exploited, or simply disappeared.
Horrible things are happening to vulnerable people, but we cannot help them by sending groups of vigilantes or law enforcement officers to hunt them. Child exploitation is real; children are being forced to work in slaughterhouses, mines, and on farms. Children are often sexually abused by youth ministers, priests, and their own family members. When someone needs food, shelter, or medical attention, sending in a SWAT team to create a dramatic moment doesn't help.
The real villain in the overwhelming majority of these cases is poverty, which is a problem we cannot arrest our way out of. The solution to child sexual exploitation is sex education and access to services, shelters, and community support for people running away from abusive homes. Instead of doing those things, we keep investing in criminalization, suppression, and incarceration, despite overwhelming evidence that these policies don't help victims.
According to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services' office on trafficking, nearly 90 percent of the federal government's $24 million "trafficking prevention" budget was used to arrest consensual adult sex workers rather than to detect traffickers or assist victims. No one is more committed to ending violence and exploitation in the sex industry than adult consensual sex workers, which is why we advocate for the decriminalization of sex work.
When indoor sex work was decriminalized in Rhode Island, reported rapes dropped 30 percent. A study on the impact of Craigslist erotic services, which made it easier for sex workers to schedule and screen their clients, found that the female homicide rate dropped an average of 17 percent when the service became available in different cities at different times. And after New Zealand decriminalized sex work, a study conducted in 2015 found that sex workers reported having more rights and better access to services and that they were more likely to report crimes committed against them. We know that the criminalization of prostitution has made it more difficult to find victims of trafficking because we know what prohibition does to markets, and it doesn't make them safer.
Sex workers want to report crimes committed against us but can't because when we do, we risk arrest. We can make our communities safer, and we can identify real predators within our communities—but only if we are willing to let go of the simple story and actually listen to sex workers.
While Sound of Freedom, like Taken, or The Searchers, or the hundreds of white slave panic films that came before them lionize vigilante justice, the decriminalization of sex work is a better way to actually reduce violence.
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Did Mike Laursen write this? It meanders more than a bad wrestling promo.
Prostitution is like DQSH - should be legal for consenting adults as much as they want but leave the kiddos out of it.
The author is put out... because private individuals are rescuing children from sexual slavery. Because that's bad since the government spends tax money fighting prostitution.
Yeah, that follows.
When someone needs food, shelter, or medical attention, sending in a SWAT team to create a dramatic moment doesn’t help.
“So as long as their rapists and pimps are feeding and housing them properly, it’s actually OK to keep children as fucktoys.”
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Maybe these authors should consider having someone sane proofread their articles first.
Yeah, I really can't belive this article is actually arguing that 6 year old should not be rescued from prostitution. Get this through your head author, that kid did not make a choice to trade food for sex and shelter. That kid is too young to even understand that decision.
Rescuing a six year old from being raped on a daily basis makes you the good guy, period.
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If the left wants to die on this hill, I’m fine with that.
Now I’m wondering what an 1840s version of “Reason” would have thought about the original Underground Railroad.
The point is that you aren't really rescuing anyone if they turned to prostitution to avoid dying of starvation/exposure, and you don't do something to rescue them from that too. Youre just replacing one terrible fate with another. Is this some kind of honor killing thing for you, where you're fine with kids dying because you think sexual exploitation is literally a fate worse than death?
People like you are literally the reason why war crimes tribunals exist.
Please die.
Sure, prosecute pimps and customers of child prostitutes. But, that's not easy. I don't think most of them are doing it because anyone is "grooming" them for it, rather because they don't want to stay in an abusive home, or they want independence, and prostitution is the only way they can support themselves. The way these things are typically prosecuted is by sting operations targetting potential customers, after stating the fictional prostitute is underage and then arresting the person who shows up for sex. But, the actual underage prostitutes are still out there. Yeah, sometimes they'll send out agents to arrest prostitutes and their pimps and in the process come across a minor prostitute. If they can find a pimp associated with the prostitute, they'll arrest the pimp for pimping a minor. But, in cases of someone fucking a six-year-old or similar, most likely it's a family member or someone known to the child, not a child prostitution ring. If we want to stop child prostitution, it might help to allow minors to find suitable jobs other than prostitution.
No it's not arguing "that 6 year old should not be rescued from prostitution." It's arguing that there is no such thing as 6 year olds being kidnapped into prostration. It's as if we were having a debate in the state legislature about the price of a "Bigfoot" hunting tag and which of the meat processing facilities should be allowed to turn your "Bigfoot" into summer sausage and someone wanted to dismiss the proceeding and you would argue that "you don't care about excessive hunting of Bigfoot or processing the meat in a sanitary fashion. Well, no, the issue is that there is no such thing as Bigfoot and this phenomenon that the wackos believe about children being picked off the street into these secret corner toddler brothels that somehow evade detection is as fake as the Satanic Cults that squares imagined existing in the 80s. As fake as the Salem Witches, as fake as Alien Abduction. Such thinking also casts the Columbians as these terrible people who are A-OK with kiddie brothels on their neighborhood block when in fact they hate perverts just as much as everybody else and no such business could ever successfully operate. This is an imaginary phenomenon, the whole "human trafficking" crap we only first year about from NGO$ around the year 2000 is just their way of taking about ordinary pimping and prostitution. It's all a recasting of a very mundane issue we were all familiar with 30 years ago with Victorian Era tropes and James Bond Villain type fictional complexity. The issue is not what to do about this but the fact that the public is being lied to and complete fiction is being passed off as reality. This Ballard is a grifter, and he knows what buttons to push with his lies in order for suckers to give him money.
^When you're less self-aware and more of a parody than a self-aware parody that mocked you for making the argument you're making several years ago, You are not Liam Neeson.
No, they're not arguing that. Actual child prostitution is rare in the U.S. But, conservatives always bring up child prostitution as a way of opposing legalized prostitution in general for adults.
Citing Vice and Rolling Stone was the tell. Remember the latter covered for a friend of the head editor arrested for child exploitation.
They seem to really hate children.
Or really "love" them.
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Abominable indeed.
And Slate. The only thing they left out was Vox.
I'm waiting for the Bulwark to weigh in.
That’s a lot of weight.
"While Sound of Freedom, like Taken, or The Searchers, or the hundreds of white slave panic films that came before them lionize vigilante justice, the decriminalization of sex work is a better way to actually reduce violence."
Sound of Freedom is about *child* trafficking.
Reason wants to decriminalize child sex work now?
I guess their boss has certain proclivities.
Former “M.A.P.” advocacy spokesperson Noah Berlatsky
also wrote this essay about the autonomy of child sex workers. He said that most child trafficking victims are not coerced.
And the MAP-support groups at Prostasia are referencing this Reason article to make themselves feel better about being pedophiles. So that they can convince themselves that it’s okay to have sex with children, because no one “forced” them into it.
https://prostasia.org/project/map-support-club/
https://twitter.com/ProstasiaInc/status/1683118017557741568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Escreen-name%3AProstasiaInc%7Ctwcon%5Es1
When most people hear “human trafficking,” they think of kidnapped young cis, mostly white girls sold into enforced sexual slavery by criminal gangs composed mostly of people of color. Lurid depictions of this kind of crime are common in film and television like 2014’s Eden—based on a now debunked “true story”—or 2017’s Trafficked.
Any underage person who trades sex is considered a trafficking victim under most legal definitions. But most of these underage trafficking victims are not kidnapped or coerced by pimps. Alexandra Lutnick, a lecturer at UC Berkeley’s School of Social Welfare, estimates that only about 10% of underage people who trade sex are forced to do so. Even when force or coercion is present, kidnapping is extremely rare. Usually, young people are forced to trade sex by people they know, such as a significant other, a parent, or a guardian.
Because the usual narratives about underage people trading sex are misleading the usual interventions to help such people generally don’t work. Sending police to arrest rings of kidnappers doesn’t help when most young people who trade sex have not been kidnapped. To help underage people who trade sex, we need to “meet people where they’re at. We need to hear from them what their needs are,” Lutnick told me.
Young people who trade sex are a diverse group; from a quarter to a third of them may be cis boys, according to one study, and they are disproportionately likely to be lesbian, gay, bisexual, and trans. What many of them share in common, though, is that adults and social supports systems have, for one reason or another, failed them. They have been kicked out of their homes or fled their homes to avoid abuse. (Underage people who trade sex are more likely to be queer because queer youth are more likely than their peers to be homeless.) They often start trading sex because that is a way that they can obtain food or shelter for themselves or their loved ones.
This is what happened to Kristin DiAngelo, the Director of the Sex Worker’s Outreach Project, Sacramento, and a survivor of human trafficking. “I entered the sex trade because I was engaged in survival,” she told me. “I needed a place to stay; I needed a roof over my head. I needed food to eat.” DiAngelo was working in a massage parlor and did not have a pimp until she tried to get a fake ID so she could prove she was older. She started to work for the pimp to get the ID, and then was unable to escape him.
Yeah, the fact that a bunch of pedos are linking to this article tells you all you need to know.
I don't know. What's it tell you? Somehow a true article is false?
So called "human trafficking" is just a big fancy scary word for what we knew as ordinary pimping back in the 70s or 80s. You never heard this crap until around the year 2000 because fighting a few pimps and their lowlife junkie girls wouldn't open the donation books from all the rubes on main street who no longer had the televangelists to send their money to. Pointing out that the narrative is bunk urban legend, conspiracy nonsense sense isn't "supporting" it anymore than telling you "Freejack" wasn't real and nobody is really plotting to kidnap you from the future to try to steal your organs.
"The real villain in the overwhelming majority of these cases is poverty, which is a problem we cannot arrest our way out of. "
No. The real villain is those who would take advantage of that poverty to kidnap children into the sex trade. To trivialize such harm it causes to the children and to make the rescuers the bad guys contributes to that harm by making it appear as nothing to worry about. Also, the author is conflating forced sex work for children and actions by two consenting adults.
The left's constant criticism of the move "Sound of Freedom" definitely shows they are in full support of pedophilia and child sex-trafficking and are quite upset at the attention placed on the issue by the popularity of the movie. It makes one assume that they are customers of that trade and thus the reason for their outrage.
That just the huffed adrenochrome, the autism, and the disaffected hopelessness talking, CindyF.
You look in a mirror this morning, Artie?
More like recent feedback during his group therapy session.
Vampires don't have reflections.
Oh wow. Kirkland accusing others of being autistic.
Which doesn't even make sense in the context of his gimmick.
NPR: Transgender and nonbinary people are up to six times more likely to have autism
His shtick is so lazy, he insults his own favorite trendy "marginalized group."
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He’s not autistic, he’s just dumb.
And a bigot.
You think "autism" is an insult? What kind of sick bigot are you, anyway?
" It makes one assume that they are customers of that trade and thus the reason for their outrage."
I think that's a fair assumption. There are wicked people of all political persuasions, and unfortunately leftists are no exception. It doesn't show the left's 'full support of pedophilia and child sex-trafficking.' Rather it highlights their distaste in turning pedophilia and sex trafficking into a trivial vehicle for popular entertainment. I'm sure if you looked hard enough you would find rightists with similar qualms about this kind of exploitation.
“There are wicked people of all political persuasions, and unfortunately leftists are no exception.”
When you consider that, among other things, Leftists brought us the Reign of Terror, the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Communist China, the Killing Fields, Communist Cuba, and Ba’athist Iraq, among a whole long list of others, and all the absolute horrors of those regimes that are the direct result of believing that individual human lives should be subsumed to the “Greater Good” — that no lie is too big, nor any torture too cruel, nor any death so horrendous, that it cannot be used to further the Cause of the State — you have just a tad bit of hutzpah to suggest that wickedness is the exception of Leftists, rather than the rule.
Blaming poverty as a villain leaves pederasts off the hook.
Sadly, I think this is intentional.
Child sexual exploitation is primarily a right wing phenomenon, not a left wing one. Conservative churches are ground zero for child sexual abuse. Conservative families are the ones most likely to exploit their children, because conservative family values teach children to respect and obey adults, while simultaneously keeping them in ignorance of sex and its significance. This makes kids with conservative upbringing easy targets for predators.
This is why rightists hyperfocus on sexual exploitation where a stranger is the victimizer even though such cases are the minority: they don't want to admit their own values exacerbate the problem, and focusing on sexual exploitation by someone the child knows would force them to confront that.
The idea that leftists are particularly prone to exploit children appears to have been invented from whole cloth by conservatives as an extended exercise in whataboutism. They hate how leftists constantly act like they are morally superior to rightists, so they repeatedly accuse them of one of the morally worst crimes imaginable. As far as I can tell, leftists are no more likely to exploit children than average, and less likely to do so than rightists.
The point of the article is that many kids are so poor that if you rescue them from one exploiter they will soon either fall victim to another one or die. The problem with these "rescue" organizations is that they fail to do anything about that. Many kids aren't being kidnapped, they are staying with their abusers out of fear that they will starve and die without them. This underlying poverty needs to be addressed if we don't want to be constantly rescuing the same kids over and over again.
You are basically equivalent to those left-wing "anti-racist" activists who go on about how they just oppose racism and police brutality and how could anyone but a racist be against that. What they fail to recognize is that their proposed "solutions" grossly misrepresent the problem and are often counterproductive.
Epstein was so right wing and conservative.
You’re talking to a robot who serves the state.
If the state's paying him, the state's being cheated.
Imagine trying to lie and deflect this much in just one post.
You wasted a lot of words to fool no one.
Xe fooled xemself, and really, that’s all that matters to xir.
You misspelled government schools. A lot.
I think left wing activist teachen covens ...aka the teachers unions and schools in general are far more centers for child sexual exploitation
Just gotta teach 'em younger, and remember to not let anyone opt out of having their preschoolers sexualized.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/education/school-district-says-it-banned-opt-out-lgbtq-lessons-because-too-many
Stupid comments software misplacing things...
Libertarians now support legalizing sex work for children? What a novel idea! Who exactly are they appealing to with this stance?
The pedophiles within their ranks.
Well, in the comment section, we have Jeffy, Pluggo, and Tony who've basically admitted to it, then there's Shackford as a writer. ENB seems to provide cover, and I guess Bailey does now too.
And we still haven't seen Epstein's client list. It's odd, isn't it, that only Maxwell and Epstein were ever caught for it, and one of them was suicided. How can you run a child trafficking and prostitution ring and have no clients arrested for it!?!
Fatass Donnie was Epstein's running buddy for years. Conservatives love their pedophilia as witnessed by all the arrests made and voter support of pedos like Denny Hastert and Roy Moore. The conservative anti-choice Catholic clergy is filled with pedophiles as is the Southern Baptist church and weird Western cults like the one in Waco.
The conservative mind is filled with pathology with all that greasy-ass Christian moaning and the wearing of hair shirts and guilt complexes.
Calling other "pedophiles" must provide some relief to the QAnon Trump Nazi Cult.
It is amazing how 3asily you pedophiles hide, deflect, and lie. Epstein had far more democrat support as he was a big funder of them. Yet you so easily lie and push to hide your proclivities through those lies. It is the left who is at the forefront lying and denying child sex trafficking. Just recently one of your dem elected officials was talking about how sad it was he couldn’t stick it in a 2 year old while using his connections to molest children in daycare. It 8s you leftists reforming pedophiles as MAPs. It is you liberals celebrating child sex dolls. Youre all sick fucks.
Here's a Google Doc named "Republican Sexual Predators, Abusers, and Enablers" listing 905 such cases, from credible accusations to criminal convictions, each with receipts. The list is being compiled by someone calling themselves "Cajsa Lilliehook." Fact Keepers provides some context and information about them:
https://boingboing.net/2022/10/31/site-documents-republican-sexual-predators-abusers-and-enablers.html
905 instances of conservative/Republican predators.
I looked at the list. It contains your usual set of Bible-Beaters and elected GOP officials.
You cite a leftist spin on it tailored for your lies? Lol.
Which party openly supports sexualization of children shrike?
Liberals are more likely to support sex education in public schools if that is what you mean.
So showing them how to get on Grindr as a minor is now "sex education", turd?
The solution to child sexual exploitation is sex education and access to services, shelters, and community support for people running away from abusive homes.
Must be why you conservatives oppose sex education.
Let me ask again. Do you support teaching kids as young as 12 how to get on sex hookup apps?
How does teaching a kid about sex stop them from being trafficked retard?
The solution to child sexual exploitation is punishing their rapists, not indoctrinating them into your sex cult, Shrike.
Never forget that this nithing posted dark web links to hard core underage porn.
Mother's Lament
"The solution to child sexual exploitation is punishing their rapists, not indoctrinating them into your sex cult, Shrike.
The FINAL solution to ALL deviations from RIGHT-think, ass judged by The Almighty (and PERFECT) Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer, is DEATH-DEATH-DEATH to the infidels!!!
Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer, Supreme Demonic Director of Decay, Destruction, and Death, will now SPEAK! HARKKK silently and RESPECTFULLY, all ye lowly heathens, as She Directs Death, and announces WHICH few of us MIGHT deserve to live, and WHO all deserves to DIE-DIE-DIE!!!
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So Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer, Supreme Demonic Director of Decay, Destruction, and Death... WHEN are You going to STOP stealing the IDs of Your victims, and then posting kiddie porn in THEIR names, and then blaming THEM?
Inquiring minds want to KNOW, dammit!
If you're going to try and misrepresent a quote, Shillsy, you might not want to include it.
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Another weekend with SQRLSY, without medication.
If you don’t like your weekend with me, SQRLSY One, then stop polluting this site with your vile presence!
If you like your weekend WITH your medicines, then go get some medicines, with the permission, of course, of Government Almighty, your shrink, Karen, the Nosenheimers, the Buttinskies, and every other Tom, Tim, Dick, Harry, and Hairy Pothead on the block! It’s not the way I’d like to see things run, so don’t come bitchin’ to me!
The standard DNC platform is now to support books like This Book is Gay which teaches kids about anal sex, coprophilia, and includes a QR code to download Grindr.
This is why you support the left.
https://redstate.com/jenniferoo/2023/07/22/watch-burbank-mayor-konstantine-anthony-claims-sexually-graphic-gender-queer-book-is-acceptable-in-schools-n779838
Now we know how he finds his victims.
We already knew you were a groomer pluggo.
Show me an asshole who wallows around proclaiming his “love for Christ” and I will show you a goddamn pervert.
(edit to add) same for the Sons of Allah.
Your side literally just had a politician arrested and complaining on text message about not being able to penatrate a 2 year old.
You continue to deny reality. The trans movement is filled woth pedophiles.
Pluggo hopes that one day he will be filled with trans pedophiles.
If you want to see a pervert, find a mirror. Your original and now banned account posted links to cp material here. Did your Soros handler put you up to that or did your pathology kick in where you “went into business for yourself”?
Dude, you’re the asshole who got his former handle “Sarah Palin’s Buttplug” banned from Reason for posting hardcore child porn here. There’s two reasons why you’re #2, turd.
Liar. Keep wasting your time. How is it working?
Really now? You've been shown the exact posts several times, your admittance of being banned, again, several times, and others looking for your original handle after it was banned, yet you are still in denial. You're a pathetic excuse for a male human being. Hope that fifty cents helps while you've gone back and jumped the shark again.
But his lies work on idiots like sarc who actually defends shrike and his past.
Sarc seems to me to be a contrarian. You can tell him the sky is blue, and he'll argue it isn't just for the argument.
He used math to prove the sky is blue.
Two plus two equals blue.
You were banned for posting links to child pornography. You should probably stick this one out, pedo.
I know for a fact that Donnie's name wasn't on that list.
Do you know why?
Because if it were, it would have been leaked to the Press a long time ago, and then shouted from the rooftops 24/7 (we wouldn't hear the end of it!) -- and yet, the very people who leaked Donnie's name to the Press would find excuse after excuse why they couldn't release other names.
Jeffy, Pluggo, and Tony
Don't forget Anustasia.
Yeah, I basically just now snapped to what a ridiculous conflation of things the headline is.
Sex Workers Want Rights, Not Rescue
And then starts in with a media standard rip on Sound of Freedom.
Spoiler alert, children are not -- and cannot be -- "sex workers" because that term implies agency.
Who exactly are they appealing to with this stance?
"Lord Edgy, of Edgynburgh, King of the Edgelords."
"Libertarians now support legalizing sex work for children?"
Do they? Where did that come from? What, anything other than the death penalty for children caught working in "sex work" is SUPPORTING the legalization of their work? WTF?!?! Supporting details please!
Indeed, but not for the reasons you think. It is foolish and dangerous to conclude that anything published in Reason is representative of Libertarian thought!
About time the kids got a freaking job and pulled their own weight around here.
Except if their self-selected job doesn't meet with MY approval, or if they don't have degrees, licenses, permits, AND board certification! OR if they are illegal sub-humans, trannies, accused “groomers”, abortionists, gays, heathens, infidels, vaxxers, mask-wearers, atheists, Jews, witches, or, the very WORST of them all, being one of those accused of STEALING THE ERECTIONS OF OUR DEAR LEADER!!!!!!
"Why the Hate for ‘Sound of Freedom’?"
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2023/07/why-the-hate-for-sound-of-freedom/
Everyday Americans apparently love Sound of Freedom and are voting with their feet.
So why does the media hate it?
The Washington Post accused Sound of Freedom of “warping the truth about child exploitation and catering to QAnon conspiracy theorists.”
In its headline no less, The Guardian smeared the film as “the QAnon-adjacent thriller seducing America” and credited its success to an “unsavory network of astroturfed boosterism among the far-right fringe, a constellation of paranoids.”
In an even more bizarre rant, Rolling Stone dubbed Sound of Freedom “a superhero movie for dads with brainworms” and a “QAnon-tinged thriller … designed to appeal to the conscience of a conspiracy-addled boomer.”
Jezebel called it “an anti-child trafficking fantasy fit for QAnon” while Media Matters accused its star Jim Caviezel of offering “little more than a fever swamp of right-wing conspiracy theories.”
It is understandable for mainstream news outlets to at least ask about Jim Caviezel’s adrenochrome comments. But their unrelenting efforts to trash Sound of Freedom—a film that accurately exposes a very real, very diabolical, and now very global scourge—are, frankly, bizarre.
As commentator Gina Bontempo has remarked, “You’d think child trafficking was the one thing everyone could agree on,” but the progressive media “would rather turn a blind eye to one of the most pernicious evils happening both globally and domestically than accidentally agree with conservative Christians.”
More bizarre still is that two of the news outlets that smeared Sound of Freedom offered glowing praise for Cuties, a 2020 movie on Netflix about a twerking dance crew of little girls widely seen as pro-pedophilia.
Nevertheless, The Washington Post showered the film in praise, calling Cuties “an unflinching look at what it means to be a preteen girl” and quipping, “no wonder people can’t handle it.”
And Rolling Stone headlined its review of the film by writing: “Thanks to a major marketing mistake, this award-winning French movie has been accused of sexualizing girls. It’s actually a sensitive portrait of growing pains that deserves to be seen.”
Yeah, the difference in handling between this and cuties deserves to be highlighted more often.
Speaking of which, Sullum did a defense of Cuties here: https://reason.com/2020/12/11/cuties/
And another article on it here, claiming it criticized the sexualization of children: https://reason.com/2020/09/15/cuties-and-its-critics-both-decry-the-sexualization-of-children/
They find it really hard to understand the simple concept that you don't criticize the sexualization of children by sexualizing children. "Our sexualization of children is okay because it's meta," is not a good argument.
Some of the commenters here refer to those media outlets trashing the film as “non-partisan.”
And one of them claims Adam Schiff is the "most honest politician, in the world".
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Schiff is one of the last truth-tellers in Congress as he stood up to the MAGA Swamp and called out Fatass Donnie’s Russian collusion starting in the Trump Tower on June 9, 2016 culminating in Helsinki where Fatass French-Kissed Vlad then shit on US intelligence in favor of the Kremlin.
We know that there were meetings between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin.
We know that the Kremlin worked diligently to get Fatass elected.
We know that Donnie sucked Vlad's mangy cock upon request.
So Schiff is correct.
Keep claiming you aren't a Democrat lol.
Or a moron.
Both words mean the same thing.
We know that you are a discount Jimmy Carville with Down Syndrome.
Stop with the praise. Youre going to give him a bigger head than when he is on the dark web finding CP links.
The only things that eclipse Pluggo McPlugged Face’s ignorance of politics and economics are his infatuation with Hunter’s penis and children.
I thought he was a discount Jimmy Savile.
Still can't admit Hillary lost fair & square to a hand-picked opponent because she was just that terrible.
Look, I get it. I'd find 2016 traumatizing too if I were a Democrat. But you need to accept reality. Mueller came nowhere close to delivering what your #Resistance masters told you he'd deliver.
Dude, you jumped the shark with that one. There is no way, no fucking way at all that anyone can ever take your lame ass seriously ever again.
His media matters is non partisan was a month before that.
"We know that there were meetings between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin."
Except that we now know that there wasn't.
"We know that the Kremlin worked diligently to get Fatass elected."
Except that we now know that they didn't.
"We know that Donnie sucked Vlad’s mangy cock upon request."
Are you actually even trying anymore? You're basically just stomping your feet at this point. No fifty-cents for you.
"So Schiff is correct."
You're both liars and deserve prison (for different reasons... hopefully).
This article doe smore than any other to show Reason only cares about the common acceptable media narratives and not actually articulating ideals through libertarianism thought. Child exploitation is not a libertarian ideal. Ignoring harm to others is not a libertarian ideal. Yet this article does this.
They have seen what the mainstream media is, the fact the movie is succeeding, and feel the need to attack it.
Reason's editorial position is that they want to fuck little kids.
It’s really hard to argue otherwise at this point.
Occams Razor.
Not only that, they want to convince everyone else the "Hey!, It's okay to fuck children...no one forced them to have sex...they CHOSE to do it!"
Exactly. This movie is the cause de jour for the leftist MSM and Reason just had to get a piece of the action to prove their bona fides. This woman certainly has the right to argue for legalizing prostitution and I'm guessing most of us here agree. But to conflate that with forced child prostitution and use an apparently accurate movie about private actors rescuing these kids as a vehicle to make her point is pretty fucking bizarre.
"But to conflate that with forced child prostitution "
The effort here is to focus on the "forced" part of that statement, as if removing "forced" from the equation makes it ok somehow.
"But to conflate that with child prostitution " is still evil, without the "forced".
My understanding from the article is that OURS didn't actually liberate any children, because the children in question were shills.
Yep, and no leftist has ever lied before and none of them have a reason to cover for awful behavior.
People love a rescue story, which is why Sound of Freedom
I suspect that the crowd who loves this rescue story is the same crowd who loved the Mel Gibson snuff film.
Both boost the viewers sense of self-importance.
Many Americans don’t view children as sex objects like you do and therefore a film based on real events of a group liberating trafficked kids resonates well.
Some people love rescuing kids from sex trafficking. Some hate it and love the sex trafficking. Youre the latter.
"Mel Gibson snuff film"
There's a smear I haven't heard since 2004. You're just a veritable font of old edgelord tropes and received opinion, huh.
Here's a trend in sex work...
https://twitter.com/BjornIronSkull/status/1682744853573017602?t=chI0ES509F5HPlWuvcD3yQ&s=19
Someone asked this a few days ago but what is going through the head of this person?
I'm certain they aren't aware of the grimy truth, but what does she think she's doing? Or is there a complete separation from the actions vs the reality, kind of blacks out and reawakens later?
This also brings up the question what's going on in the "audience"
The nasty neck beard furiously whacking off in his goon cave is the MOST REASONABLE viewer here
But I'm assuming that isn't who's only watching, and the other people concern me more
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https://twitter.com/planetcringe/status/1682444187382460416?t=x_Eh3HfZoZdjFmm5TFodBg&s=19
How this GenZ makes a living
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I don't even know what the fuck is going on there.
I feel old.
Nobody does.
But it's a thing now.
Big tits. It's the most important thing. Except for race of course.
What a time to be alive!
The way things are going, it’s only a matter of time before there is a dating app for adults who want to “date” children.
MAPr.
Children are often sexually abused by youth ministers, priests, and their own family members.
Thank you, Kaytlin.
And by teachers, principals, and the weirdo posting as SPB2 on Reason.
Youth ministers and priests don't even make the top child molesting professions.
The occupations with the most convictions proportionately are juvenile incarceration facility employees (by far), social workers, child psychologists, doctors, healthcare workers, educators, coaches, youth-organization workers and police.
The common thread is access to children, a position of authority and a position of trust.
Priests Commit No More Abuse Than Other Males
Pluggo will ignore your link.
Links that prove shrike wrong are his kryptonite.
And a lot the priest sexual abuse was homosexual. It's a homosexual problem, not a priest problem. The Catholic Church has allowed itself to become infested with homosexuals and this is the consequence.
I think people get more upset about priests doing it than juvenile prison guards because priests are specifically there to exemplify Christ-like behavior. Even if they are not the most common offenders, it's a bigger betrayal.
What should the penalty be for adults convicted of sexually abusing children? Capital punishment?
What should the penalty be for adults distributing media containing that abuse? Capital punishment?
The libertarian position is that it should never be illegal to merely possess an image. The people who produce, sell, trade for, or buy child pornography should be the ones prosecuted. IMO capital punishment would be excessive in most cases.
This children never gave consent because they can’t. The questions were for Pluggo McPlugged Face and remain unanswered.
That isn’t a libertarian position because libertarians understand basic market structures. A demand for CP will create an industry to create CP. They will seek out new CP. This is true of the porn industry in general. The market demand will create a supply. They are directly creating an incentive to exploit more children.
This is why many of the pedophiles caught are in active exchange markets with the buyers asking them what they want to see them do to the child.
This is different than AI generated CP or illustration.
Read my post again.
I did. You think possession doesn't require buying or trading? How do they get it? Magically shipped on their hard drive? Just appears one day randomly?
No, possession does not necessarily require buying or trading, and mere possession does not prove that buying or trading took place. The advances in artificially generated imagery make that even more true.
VD said "The people who... sell, trade for, or buy". Just that possession alone isn't enough.
And how does one gain possession of it without doing those other things?
You forgot to say, "asking for a friend".
Sarc and shrike aren't my friends.
It’s all over the darkweb and creeps used to post it on the various chans as a troll. There’s loads of ways they can find some without trading or buying, just like you can obtain normal porn without trading and buying.
I've been online since 94 and have somehow never managed to accidentally stumble on it.
You've obviously never visited /b/ or /pol/.
You’re not in any ActBlue chatrooms. Accidental links clicking can only occur when such links are present.
I mean, it showed up here...
They are wrong for doing it too. Now will you say it is wrong for people like you and democrats?
OUR and Ballard have responded extensively to the Slate reporter you cite.
This is not my issue, so I didn't do a deep dive, but I heard Ballard address her in 2 interviews. He says they have video proof that her story is not true. I think he said it was posted on their website. He said she came to them under false pretenses, that she was going to do a story to help and was planning a hit piece all along. I don't remember the details, but it is definitely something they have responded to multiple times in great detail.
Writing a story like this and failing to include that is irresponsible. This has been a long time ago, so not finding that isn't an oversite, it makes this a hit piece.
I do not understand the pro-sex-work side intentionally conflating kidnapping young children and forcing them into sex with voluntary sex work. That is something that the sex-work activists have hectored everyone about ever since the "trafficking" term got invented. Now, suddenly, a movie about kids with single digit ages being forced into sex work is really about adults voluntarily engaging in sex work?
Why are you guys doing that?
Why work to destroy these people? What did they really do?
"They don't need rescuing"??? Really? A seven year old boy getting passed around for sex doesn't need rescuing? Are you insane?
Because the pro sex work movement is predominantly pro pedophile too
For the same reason they put trans into the gay community. Take a perversion, link it to a common group, they any attack on that perversion is an attack on the full group. See Jeff.
https://twitter.com/NullZweii/status/1682266324184203267?t=CRj_sy-D8z2WBDvtjyWcHg&s=19
My favorite part of the movie is when @RyanGosling “Ken” becomes self-aware and learns about patriarchy. Lol
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If they'd ended the movie with Ken imposing the patriarchy on Barbie world, it would have been a feel-good story.
Another issue addressed in the interview I heard: they don't provide after care.
They specifically addressed charges about the kids in the article, saying they provided 2 years of counselingand setting them up in a situation to get appropriate care.
Personally, this is the dumbest charge of all time, regardless. "Sure, you saved that kid from being raped, but did you take responsibility for them for the rest of their life???". Who even thinks of that??
"Hero firefighter rescues family from burning building"
Yeah... But did he buy them a new house???
See how stupid that sounds?
Oops
https://twitter.com/NFLNotify/status/1682009385575542786?t=9_aZxKZ1XnzEG2J8_4GTmw&s=19
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A prominent Michigan-based journalist & sports host has reached out to the #Bears over her concerns of a video that “carries racist undertones.”
“White parents need to educate their children on what is exclusively black culture.”
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It's true, both Dutch and French braids are exclusively a Black Culture thing. I don't see how anyone could argue with that.
Except no one will name the journalist.
From the comments:
Democrats 1960: White kids and black kids can’t mix, segregate schools. White kids can’t listen to black music. White kids can’t idolize black ppl.
Democrats 2023: white kids and black kids can’t mix, segregate schools, White kids can’t listen to black music. White kids can’t idolize black ppl.
Some things never change.
Sounds like 1840, too.
If cultural appropriation is bad, then no people with African heritage can wear pants.
Nor those of us of Scots descent...
As long as you culturally appropriate underwear.
https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1682760894349037570?t=mUpbuRNAfNhlFHmJQF-AfQ&s=19
Another young professional athlete has suffered a terrible blow to his career due to sudden health problems.
The Cleveland Browns' 32-year-old wide receiver Marquise Goodwin, has been diagnosed with blood clots in his legs and lungs.
The professional athlete was placed on the non-football illness list last Friday when he experienced discomfort in his legs and shortness of breath during team workouts earlier in the spring.
Regrettably, the presence of blood clots will prevent the receiver, who is about to enter his 10th season in the NFL, from participating in the start of the training camp, as confirmed by the Browns.
“It was really alarming at first because I’ve experienced injury throughout my career, but it’s never been anything like this that could turn into something detrimental if it’s not taken care of,” he told the team website.
“It was frightening at first, but now I’m at ease with it. I’ve prayed and just given it over to God," he added.
“It’s out of my control, and the only thing I can control is my effort and attitude and how I approach each day moving forward.”
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Same thing happened to Chris Bosch of the Miami Heat. Way before COVID though.
Yep.
Unfortunately, it's becoming more of a trend than it was in Bosh's day.
Vax Around, Find Out
Critical thinking moment:
"A study on the impact of Craigslist erotic services, which made it easier for sex workers to schedule and screen their clients, found that the female homicide rate dropped an average of 17 percent when the service became available in different cities at different times."
Sooo...... More than 17% of female homicides in any given city is prostitutes...
What percent of prostitutes are going to shift to craiglist when it becomes available? Half? 2/3?
So at minimum, more than 1/3 of all murders of women are prostitutes who are with unscreened clients?
Admittedly, I know absolutely nothing about that topic... But just on the face of it that sounds ludicrous. I would expect domestic disputes to be the vast majority of female homicides, not prostitutes working with unscreened johns.
Anyone got a better handle on that???
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17018089/
“Most data sources substantially under-ascertained prostitute homicides. As estimated from a conservative capture-recapture analysis, 2.7% of female homicide victims in the United States between 1982 and 2000 were prostitutes.”
If this number is remotely true,the 17% drop would be impossible.
That was less than 2 minutes on Google. This article says that about a quarter of all prostitute homicides are due to serial killers, and recommends monitoring for that specifically.
My suspicion is that the 17% drop is being reported incorrectly in the reason article. Why don’t we have editors and fact checkers?
Yeah I scratched my head at that too but none of the article makes much sense to me so why would that.
That's a drop of 17% from the previous number of prostitutes murdered, not the total number of murders of all types of people. That's entirely possible.
More on the topic of "do these numbers make sense" rather than on the pedophile track...
Bicycles, apparently, are racist.
"For every mile ridden, Black cyclists are 4.5 times more likely to be killed than white cyclists. At the same time, Hispanic cyclists and pedestrians experience a 1.7 and 1.5-fold risk of being killed compared to white Americans.
When I see stats like this I'm always wondering about things like
* Was there any control group of wealthier black cyclists who rode exclusively in areas with bike paths and things, and if so, were they still 4.5 times more likely to die than their white peers?
* Are there similar control groups where there are white cyclists contending with the same lack of bike-friendly infrastructure and aren't killed at 4.5 higher rate?
* If more black cyclists die riding in "black" areas of town, is this any indictment on the inability of black drivers in those areas who run over the cyclists? Do they not give enough room to the cyclists and cause more car/bike incidents, but white drivers give room more carefully apparently?
* Is there anything about the riding habits of black cyclists--esp. the inner-city riders--that may be contributory? Do they follow the rules of riding and the rules of the road meant to increase their own safety?
It seems to me that statistics for someone wearing reflective gear, day-glo jersey, etc. riding a 12-speed on a rural roadway (no bike-path) at high noon is going to be different statistically than someone who is wearing a black hoodie and riding a Schwinn 1-one-speed in the median of a 6-lane urban thoroughfare at midnight regardless of the color of their skin.
One thing I can tell you from personal experience (5 years of working night shift with a commute of under 3 miles through a mixed-race city residential neighborhood): if you are white and riding a bicycle at night with no lights and dark clothes, 90% of the time the first sign I have that anyone is out there is a flash of white from your face. If you are black and doing the same thing, I won’t see your face in the dark, and in a car I’ll probably be dangerously close before I catch some hint of a shadow from any part of your body, clothing, or bicycle. (On a bike or foot, I'll hear you first.) Riding a bike is NOT the place to dress like a ninja!
I saw those shadows because I was watching closely. I’ve been riding a bicycle to work whenever the weather allowed since before I went on night shift, and that makes me very aware of bicycles even when I’m driving. I expect the average driver would never be aware of these bike ninjas until they suddenly appeared in his headlights at under 10 yards distance.
Of course when I was coming home in the dark, my bike was well lit with a bright LED headlight and taillight. I wore a reflective safety vest. I attached a second blinking red LED taillight high up on my backpack, until I found a bike helmet with blinking red lights built in. This gear only cost as much as eating lunch at a greasy spoon diner a couple of times. Then the batteries had to be replaced two or three times a year. If you think that costs too much to save your life, I hope you go through life with unreasonably good luck, but never breed.
With all the perils awaiting children, abortion looks more and more sensible.
One argument in favor of ending drug prohibition is that if drugs were sold like liquor, then fewer minors would be introduced to them. Why? Because taking the market above ground creates incentives to follow the rules. Or to put it another way, if you want fewer kids using drugs, instead of arresting drug dealers, treat drugs like alcohol.
It would be absurd and dishonest to interpret that to mean the person making that argument wants more children using drugs.
Yet when this article makes basically the same argument regarding sex-work instead of drugs, the commentariat interprets it to mean the author wants more children engaging in those activities.
The only takeaway from the comments is that they're full of mendacious liars who feel a need to deliberately twist what others say into the opposite of what they obviously mean and argue against that instead of what they actually say.
But anyone who reads the comments already knows this.
How the hell did you come up with that???
This article does not even imply "making prostitution legal would stop child trafficking"
It outright says "don't rescue kids who were kidnapped and raped".
Your analogy doesn't even work if that was what the article says. The analogy to legalizing drugs would be if there was an epidemic of children buying prostitutes and legalization would mean they check ID of their customers.
The stated problem is 8 year old kids getting kidnapped and raped by pedophiles. There are zero people in that scenario that would be involved in legal prostitution. Having sex with prepubescent kids is never going to be legal. I can't even imagine why so many of you seem to want that to be normalized.
I can’t even imagine why so many of you seem to want that to be normalized.
The fact that you said that in response to my comment proves that I was correct. Thanks. Seriously. You couldn't have done a better job of deliberately twisting my point into the opposite of what I said and then making an argument against it. Bravo!
Weak attempt.
Your take is stupid, for the reasons stated. Your defense is even dumber.
There is no reason to be on the "I support kidnapping kids for sex" side of this. Your rationalization doesn't even remotely apply.
The fact that you can't even understand which side of the argument you are on... Or even what the topic is... Turns it into a python skit. "That's not argument... That's just simple contradiction!"
Post a quote where I or the author said "I support kidnapping kids for sex" or admit to being a liar.
The first half of the article is literally criticism against a movie about child exploitation and criticizing OUR. If you read the article you would have seen this. If you did read it and attack the comments critical of the article then you're a piece of shit. .
Your argument:
. Or to put it another way, if you want fewer kids using drugs, instead of arresting drug dealers, treat drugs like alcohol.
.....
Yet when this article makes basically the same argument regarding sex-work instead of drugs..."
Stated more succinctly:
"Treat sex work like alcohol, it will reduce child involvement just like legal Vodka reduces kids access to booze."
This argument is offered in support of a takedown of a movie about child sex trafficking (real, traditional trafficking, not the new "any sex work" version).
This is where you can see the desperation.... The deep desire to come up with anything at all to negate the other side. This analogy just isn't even close.
Booze laws provide access to customers that are above a legal age limit.
Trafficked kids are not customers.
The Johns are never going to be legal customers.
Pedophiles do not visit legal brothels to have sex with 32 year old working women.
Children are not customers of brothels, legal or otherwise.
There is zero overlap on your venn diagram.
It is a dumb argument. Even a few moments of thought should have told you this. There is zero chance that legalizing prostitution would impact kidnapping kids for sex. The customers are different. The sex workers - such as it is - are different. And the criminals would presumably have to be different, because it takes a sociopath to do something like that.
But you decided that being on the other side was so critical, you put that argument out there anyway.
Perhaps you are so addled by oppositional disorder that you don't even realize that the movie is about child sex trafficking and only about child sex trafficking.... But that is what it is.
There are loads of avenues for criticizing a film like this. "I hated the directing". "The actor is wooden". "Too melodramatic". There are even avenues for attacking the sex trafficking message: "I don't believe there actually are pedophile trafficking operations like this".
But that isn't the angle you took. Our author takes the "sex workers don't need rescuing" angle, intentionally conflating voluntary sex work with inherently involuntary sex work. The most charitable interpretation of this is a callous indifference to child abduction for sex work in the service of support of legal sex work. This is inherently fighting against a movement to stop child trafficking. There is no other interpretation of "sex workers don't need rescuing" in the context of a movie about rescuing children trafficked into sex work.
And you? Well, in a desperate attempt to jump to her aid (and probably more importantly, to dump in her critics) you argue that making prostitution legal would solve the problem.
And that.... Is dumb enough to be a non-sequitur.
You planted your flag firmly in the "don't try to stop child sex trafficking" camp.
And none of the rest of us understand why anyone would do that.
It isn't a partisan issue. It isn't even a religious issue, despite the faith based approach of the people involved in the film. Atheists hate pedophile sex gangs too.
I could even get "meh, that is bad, but I have bigger fish to fry" as a response. But all of this "how dare you talk about that!!??!" stuff is weird.
You planted your flag firmly in the “don’t try to stop child sex trafficking” camp.
There’s the deliberate twisting of my words into the opposite of what they mean. Thanks again for proving my original point.
I've got better things to do with my day than argue with liars. Hasta la pasta.
So you didnt even read his post.
Never change retard.
Victim signal lit.
No it isn't. You are posting it all over the place.
Maybe you are too dumb to have thought it up yourself. But it has been pointed out a dozen times, so it is surely willful now.
There is no circumstance where a 32 year old legal prostitute is a substitute for a prepubescent child. Pedophiles are not interested in sex with adults. They want little kids. There is no overlap.
Maybe your own life experience makes you think that people just sometimes go for kids out of convenience, but most of the rest of us know that this is not true.
Great and accurate post.
You had no point other than attacking people in the comments. You didn’t even read the first sentence of the fucking article, just the headline.
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I had CPS called on me because I said sometimes dragged my kid’s feet off the bed to get her to get up. CPS said it was reported that I was “Laying hands on my child in a concerning way.”
The movie being criticized is literally about child sex trafficking retard. You have now become so evil you attack criticism even against child sex trafficking.
Bookmarked.
The memo said to trash the movie; he’a just following orders.
Sarc's so dumb they won't even let him see the memo.
Right now he's desperate for friends and hoping to appeal to Jeffy.
You can’t be this retarded.
Alcohol is a powerful drug, but Sarc goes contrarian merely for the sake of being contrarian. And in doing so, he went retarded here.
He’s not even a fun drunk, just spiteful and stupid.
He went FULL RETARD. Never go FULL RETARD.
The real villain in the overwhelming majority of these cases is low IQ
povertyThere, fixed it for you
BTW, Sound of Freedom is already past $100 million heading into the 3rd weekend.
It cost $15 million to make.
Disney sat on it for years after obtaining it in the Fox buyout.
So they eventually gave it up to Angel Studios in a crowd funded buyout.
Meanwhile, Disney keeps putting out $300 million movies steeped in "the message" (ht/ critical drinker), and losing money for their trouble.
Someday they're going to run out of even Blackrock's money.
Nah, the Fed will just print more and hand it over at negative interest rates.
Arrest, indict, and imprison the perjurious criminal “Doctor” Anthony Fauci..
Impeach Garland.
Impeach Mayorkas.
And last but not least, impeach the scumbag-in-chief Joe Biden. Yep, I said it yet again!
And I’m just going to keep on saying it over and over and over and over and over again here every single week until we the American people get what we voted for: some justice and accountability for the almost three and a half years (and counting) of absolute hell these bastards have put this country through because of their lies and crimes. What the hell are you waiting for “Speaker” McCarthy??
And I’m just going to keep on saying it over and over and over and over and over again here every single week
Because you're a monomaniac
But is he wrong?
Gov’na shrike approves of the regime’s actions.
Not particularly, but nor do I disapprove enough to deem them worthy of impeachment - which should also answer MoLa's question.
Amidst all the noise here, the bottom line seems to be: improve sex education for children, legalise adult prostitution, increase the penalty for misprision. This shouldn't be a partisan issue at all.
I asked you above. How does teaching kids how to get on grindr stop them from being trafficked?
You did not ask me above. And improved sex education does not mean getting them on Grindr. One must be either ignorant or deviant to suppose it does.
The books being used in schools have a qr code for grindr.
Now explain how sex education stops kids from being trafficked for sex.
The books being used in schools have a qr code for grindr.
Cite?
Now explain how sex education stops kids from being trafficked for sex.
Possibly makes them more likely not to fall for traffickers on social media?
I gave you the title of the book above. Are you truly this ignorant shrike?
How does telling a kid about corpophilia and anal sex make them less likely to be trafficked?
Is forcibly raping a child more difficult if they have had improved sex education?
Does teaching kids how to murder someone reduce murder?
The problem is the sex education jeff and shrike advocate for and the dems push in schools is to teach kids sex is pleasurable. But all it takes to teach kids about trafficking danger is to tell them how to report incidents. But they advocate for conditioning kids that it will feel good.
Education gives children a greater variety of life choices. Someone who knows how to read and write will have more options open to them than otherwise.
What even is this post.
Education is not a problem. The impulse to keep children innocent and ignorant about sexuality is understandable but less and less defensible in the digital age.
Hiw does teaching kids how sex is pleasurable increase reading and math scores?
Current sex education is not solely about biological education. Kids still have fucking parents.
"Hiw does teaching kids how sex is pleasurable increase reading and math scores?"
I'm not sure that it does.
I’m sure you don’t care,
Teaching them how to suck dick like a pro will definitely give children a certainly variety of options that they never had access to before.
Teaching them about sexuality won't hurt children. Intentionally keeping them ignorant about sexuality might hurt them. It's a wicked world we live in, and forewarned is forearmed.
"Teaching them about sexuality won’t hurt children."
But we both know that isn't what they're doing. They're teaching them sexual technique and encouraging sexual behavior.
In the last two years I've posted countless examples of this in textbooks, lesson plans and video of educators attesting to the fact.
"But we both know that isn’t what they’re doing."
I doubt either of us know what 'they' are doing. Personally it's been many years since I've set foot in a classroom, let alone a sex education classroom.
There's nothing wrong with learning about sexual technique, like how to avoid pregnancy. And I see nothing wrong with sexual behavior as long as the children aren't being exploited or abused. I indulged in sexual behavior as a child, and I don't think it did me any harm. I look at it as a normal part of growing up.
If it's not school, children will learn their sex from porn on the internet. I don't see this as a good substitute.
The videos exist. You have, as an example, teaching kids where to buy anal toys.
You choosing ignorance doesn't mean others do.
"You have, as an example,"
Amazon.com
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=butt+plugs&crid=6W3OWGV250RT&sprefix=butt+plugs%2Caps%2C273&ref=nb_sb_noss&tag=reasonmagazinea-20
Twelve-year-olds are being taught about anal sex in school while nine-year-olds are told to 'masturbate' for homework
"These are resources from a lesson plan for children as young as nine. In the lesson plan the images are not blurred, and show a boy and a girl masturbating. The boy is shown as he is in the middle of ejaculating, while the naked girl is seen touching herself while closing her eyes and opening her mouth"
And where would you prefer 9 year olds to learn about sex? Are there any porn sites on the web you could point to that you think would do a better, more responsible job? I'm pretty sure most 9 year olds masturbate. It's easy to do and is a source of innocent merriment. You should concentrate your efforts into strengthening children with the knowledge needed to stop them from being exploited and abused by wicked people. All this puritan handwringing over masturbation does the children no good.
"And where would you prefer 9 year olds to learn about sex?"
Nowhere. That was easy.
" I’m pretty sure most 9 year olds masturbate. It’s easy to do and is a source of innocent merriment."
OH FUCKING WOW!
I don't know what kind of messed-up fucking childhood you had, but I sure as fuck wasn't jacking it at 9, and nobody else I knew was either. Unless the kid has been molested, spanking is a post-puberty activity. In fact pre-pubescent kids masturbating is a warning sign child care workers are told to look out for.
And no matter how you slice it, endorsing nine-year-olds masturbating is definitely full-blown pedo territory.
Also, really interesting to see how you went from "It isn't happening" to "It's happening and it's a good thing" without missing a beat.
mgrooman
” I sure as fuck wasn’t jacking it at 9,”
Different strokes for different folks.
“endorsing nine-year-olds masturbating is definitely full-blown pedo territory.”
You think condemning it is more productive? What exactly is the extent of your pedo territory? It’s not clear to me the connection between and adult having sex with a child and the child indulging privately in a source of innocent merriment?
"Also, really interesting to see how you went from “It isn’t happening”
I don't care what you think is happening. I told you earlier neither of us has any idea what happens in any given classroom. If the worst, most egregious charges you can come up with is that sex education doesn't come down firmly on masturbation, and is actually quite open and accepting of it, that is not enough to concern me. If that makes me a pervert in your eyes, so be it.
The benefits of education, even education about sex are obvious. You ignore them at children's peril.
Nobody needs to be taught how to masturbate. There isn't any skill involved. There are no 1st place medals or also rans. For most children there is no audience present. It's a self regulating process. Do it and then go do something else. All of which begs the question. Why are so many adults so interested in children's masturbation?
"Nobody needs to be taught how to masturbate."
Exactly. Though some are evidently slower than others to catch on. My point is that nobody needs to be taught that masturbation is a shameful, perverted, and morally degenerate thing to do. I have no problem with sex education telling children it is natural, though society demands modesty about the practice. That seems far preferable to a child learning about it by watching porn videos.
You're deliberately moving goalposts. Not telling kids masturbation is shameful, isn't the same thing as teaching them how to wank and sex cult doctrine.
"You’re deliberately moving goalposts. "
In other words, you agree with me, but you don't have the stones to admit it. Then you move on to your straw man.
C -
"Now children, for full credit on this assignment, remember that your smartphones have cameras..."
But they advocate for conditioning kids that it will feel good.
There's no doubt that's often true. Children are capable of enjoying intimate contact with adults. It's also irrelevant. Children need to be protected from being used sexually by adults, even if the the child might want and enjoy it. They're not the adult in the room.
Some actual research:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1054139X11007178
Receipt of sex education, regardless of type, was associated with delays in first sex for both genders, as compared with receiving no sex education. Respondents receiving instruction about abstinence and birth control were significantly more likely at first sex to use any contraception (odds ratio [OR] = 1.73, females; OR = 1.91, males) or a condom (OR = 1.69, females; OR = 1.90, males), and less likely to have an age-discrepant partner (OR = .67, females; OR = .48, males).
There is no way that either you or your fellow puritans here can convincingly argue that you approve of at least some sex ed when the tenor or your posts is so clearly opposed to it.
"Methods
Data used were from 4,691 male and female individuals aged 15–24 years from the 2006–2008 National Survey of Family Growth. Weighted bivariate and multivariate analyses were conducted by gender, estimating the associations of sex education by type (only abstinence, abstinence and birth control, or neither) before first sexual intercourse, and sexual behaviors and outcomes."
It's junk.
Nope, but there's no way you could accept the outcome of the research. It's not the only research out there, of course.
For example,
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877042811027297?via%3Dihub
Hell, there's even a paper from Iran which shows better outcomes.
Have you anything? Or possibly you oppose sex education because it's easier to prey on sexually uneducated 18yo.
Then explain the "methodology" highlighted.
It isnt sex education retard. It is the type of education liberals are pushing for. Teaching past biology into kink. But you know this so you lie about it.
Shrike also didn't see it started at age 15 while democrats are now pushing for elementary school.
Obama pushed for teaching it in kindergarten until he got called out on it and later backtracked a bit.
At this point, I'm against teaching anything in public "schools". Our Government has betrayed our trust, over and over again, it's time we stop giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Indeed, where in the world did we get the idea that it's ok for Government to tell us how to think?
The real villain in the overwhelming majority of these cases is poverty
I hate it when ostensible non-communists talk like this.
Trafficking and child exploitation will happen no matter how wealthy the world is, because the will of evil doesn't care about money.
How much child exploitation do you see amongst the rich? Pretty sure it's something in the neighborhood of zero. If poverty isn't the villain, then you'd expect that number to be non-zero.
Tell that to the Menendez brothers.
I don't know, and it doesn't matter, frankly. The point is that wealth will never improve or defeat human nature.
The point is that wealth will never improve or defeat human nature.
True. Nobody can force intent. However incentives can be manipulated. When all sex-work is underground, then the worst of it will flourish. If it is brought aboveground, then the worst of it will diminish. That's the point of the article.
Disagree.
Sex is one of those primal wants/needs that will be satisfied.
You don't think people would choose a legal (and thus less risky) alternative if available?
What legal child sex are you intending?
He keeps making this argument. I just don't get it.
You can't have sex with an elementary school kid. Not now, not ever, not under any circumstances. No moral human will allow it.
He is not principled. He knows who he hates and will always attack whatever they criticize. Why he also doesn't criticize Biden, political abuse of the law, J6, etc.
He knows the people he hates think one thing so he has to attack those people. The most unprincipled person here.
Well... I suppose "oppose everything they support" is a principle...
Fair.
Yeah, his post above makes it clear he’s just here to shitpost.
Where did sarcasmic specifically bless CHILD prostitution? Citation(s) please, from other than your tinfoil hate-hats!
And WHEN are ye bastards going to STOP mutilating and torturing the newborn Christian babies, and drinking the blood of their freshly killed corpses, while flying on brooms, and shoving the broomsticks up yer filthy, maggot-infested, witchy twats?!?!?
Speaking of shitposters. AND shiteaters, for that matter.
Despite being legal in Australia, rape still happens.
Primal is still primal.
Rape is not just about sexual pleasure. It is about control and dominance over someone.
When those rapes occur, are the suspects arrested and tried?
What a stupid question.
This, from a stupid person, who has ZERO rational or data-driven answers! All tribalism, all the time!
It was such a good question you didn’t bother answering it, shiteater.
Well, R Mac who Talks and Snorts Smack... Oh Great Wise All-Knowing One... In Australia, is ALL rape now LEGAL? What are the Lizard People telling Perfect You about that lately?
ML isn't arguing laws against child sex trafficking are bad or rape investigations should be stopped.
But the sea lion will weakly attempt to frame it that way.
Because the sea lion is a purulent bowl of retarded badger spunk. I'd call him a cunt but he lacks both the warmth and the depth.
Quit using "ML" for the sealion. It always confuses me.
Dee stole your initials: grand laurseny
So, if adult prostitutes are legalized, the people raping kids will change their minds and become attracted to adult women?
So, if voting "Team D" or "Team L" is legalized, the people voting WRONG will change their minds and become GOOD members of the Rethugglican Chirch?
The Meeting of the Right Rightist Minds will now come to Odor!
Years ago by now, Our Dear Leader announced to us, that He may commit murder in broad daylight, and we shall still support Him! So He Has Commanded, and So Must it be Done!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/24/donald-trump-says-he-could-shoot-somebody-and-still-not-lose-voters
And now, oh ye Faithful of the Republican Church, It Has Become Known Unto us, that it is also in His Power and Privilege Ass Well, to murder the USA Constitution in broad daylight. Thus He Has Spoken, and Thus Must It Be Done! Thou shalt Render Unto Trump, and simply REND the USA Constitution, and wipe thine wise asses with it! Do NOT render unto some moldering old scrap of bathroom tissue! Lest we be called fools, or worse!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
Proud Boys, STAND with TRUMP, and stand by! And if ye don’t agree 110%, then we don’t need you polluting our world, because all who disagree with us in ANY way are LEFTISTS!!!
There, I think that’s a wrap! I’ve covered it ALL! You can take the rest of the day off.
(You’re welcome!)
Where does wealth fit in? Look at the drug war as an example. Gangs are killing each other in turf wars, people are dying from tainted products, and dealers hang out at schools. Why are there turf wars? Because the people involved live in poverty, and the illicit drug trade is easy money. Why is it easy money? Because it’s illegal. Why are there tainted products? Because it’s illegal and victims can’t get recourse in court. Why are they hanging out at schools? Because they don’t have licenses to lose. Want to get rid of turf wars, tainted products and drug dealers hanging out at schools? Take away the black market.
Same deal, different details.
Child sex exploitation will happen so we shouldn’t criminalize it. Great take sarc.
The fact you take an adult only harming themselves through drug use with someone raping a child as being the same shows how little you think your bullshit through.
The drug argument always rests on individual choice. When it involved harming a third party through theft or assault, those things are still illegal even in support of personal drug use. Child sex expiration is never solely personal.
You seem to be off down a rabbit hole of "these people chose this".
Maybe I am wrong, but the topic at hand isn't 17 year old girls from impoverished backgrounds with no alternatives available to earn a decent living.
The topic at hand is prepubescent kids being forced into sex work.
That seems to be a no-brainer. We are against that.
They aren't doing it to escape poverty. They are doing it because someone used physical force to make them do it.
"Why are there turf wars? Because the people involved live in poverty, and the illicit drug trade is easy money. "
It's not easy money. People get involved in the trade because of the high risks. Death and imprisonment. People who don't live in desperation find other, legal and less risky, ways to make a living. Sex work also is not 'easy money.' Again it risks disease, violence and imprisonment.
One could argue that legalizing sex work for adults would all but eliminate the risk of death, violence, and imprisonment.
As you wrote below, easing "child workers to a life of prostitution is laughably cruel and an insult to human dignity".
Pimping is also a profession fraught with risks. Legalizing it would likely eliminate a lot of them. It's strange than Reason often advocates for prostitutes, but never for pimps. This despite their fervid support for other types of rentiers - land lords, loansharks etc.
"It’s strange than Reason often advocates for prostitutes, but never for pimps."
True... They just acknowledge (implicitly) the limits of where they can go. They have a hard-enough time already (resisting the one-party thugs who comment here) even advocating that TEAM D OR TEAM L VOTES ARE LEGITIMATE VOTES!!! (Ass opposed to, only "Team R" votes should be counted, because one-party regimes have SUCH a stellar record!)
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/trump-election-warnings-leaving-office/index.html
A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses.
Essential heart and core of the LIE by Trump: “ANY election results not confirming MEEE as Your Emperor, MUST be fraudulent!”
September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.
Trump’s constant re-telling and supporting the Big Lie (any election not electing Trump is “stolen”) set up the environment for this (insurrection riot) to happen. He shares the blame. Boys will be boys? Insurrectionists will be insurrectionists, trumpanzees gone apeshit will be trumpanzees gone apeshit, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Trump was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
It really should immediately make us think of Krystallnacht. Hitler and the NAZIs set up for this by constantly blaming Jews for all things bad. Jew-haters will be Jew-haters, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Hitler was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
There would potentially be legal “brokers” where some may still remain employed. When prohibition was repealed, bootleggers mostly went away and were replaced with importers and distributors.
ChubHub
Where did you get your statistics? It wasn't poor people paying Epstein.
What a retarded comment.
This might be the most retarded take sarc’s ever had. And that’s really saying something.
"Children should be sex trafficked only with the approval of their parents and doctors."—Jeffy
So, the solution to poverty is socialism. Are there any libertarian magazines left?
"So, the solution to poverty is socialism."
If we look at one of the world's most poverty stricken places, DR Congo, where young girls and boys are exploited sexually and in the pits of artisanal cobalt mines, socialism does seem to be the answer. Here are some of the solutions bruited about by those who follow the issue:
more international cooperation
stricter enforcement of laws and regulations
education for children
other subsidies for children (school lunches etc)
Socialist solutions, every one.
Reason's solution, easing these child workers to a life of prostitution is laughably cruel and an insult to human dignity.
The socialists say the solution to poverty is socialism. What a surprise.
A better attack would be to note that none of the solutions above are socialist, but that socialism has never been shown to reduce poverty, unlike capitalism.
"none of the solutions above are socialist"
They are all socialist. Support for public education and similar subsidies comes straight from the Communist Manifesto. Stricter enforcement of anything means bigger, more powerful bureaucracies -bigger government and more socialism. International cooperation is also straight out of the Communist Manifesto - workers of the world unite! - the words are carved on Marx's tombstone.
John Stuart Mill was in favour of public education: https://revista-anglo-saxonica.org/articles/10.5334/as.44
However, and unsurprisingly, he did not want the government to have a monopoly on education.
I note, too, that free education was one of the supposed 10 planks in the Communist Manifesto - but that is hugely misunderstood - Marx was not saying that they must be implemented; they were instead predictions of the future Communist state - and his predictions were largely wrong, not least, and most famously, in where Communism would emerge.
Stricter enforcement of existing regulations is not Communist - it's consistent with law-and-order conservatism, among other things, and what is relevant is the number and effect of regulations. Do you oppose all laws because laws are Communist?
International co-operation isn't Communist either - what Marx was talking about was international co-operation amongst workers, not amongst governments.
You might just as well have argued that 2 + 2 = 4 is a Communist equation because Marx and Engels thought it was true.
Communism is bad enough without people like you inventing bullshit about it.
I'm referring to the exploitation of children in the DR Congo. I find the solutions on offer have a distinct socialistic flavor, as opposed to free market or laissez faire. If you think otherwise, state your case.
"The socialists say the solution to poverty is socialism."
It's by default. Capitalists see poverty as natural and no solution is possible or desirable. They leave the field to the leftists.
Libertarians observe that economic freedom reduces poverty, while leftism leads to famine and despotism.
You think the freedom to exploit small boys and girls in DR Congo reduces poverty? They exploiters were never in poverty in the first place.
I repeat. The solutions offered to address the situation in DR Congo are not capitalist but socialist. You said it yourself in your original comment:
"So, the solution to poverty is socialism. "
Do you think child slavery is freedom? What caused your brain damage?
Reminder, mtrueman believes spouting nonsense is an end to itself.
Trying to debate him is like trying to have a discussion with a barking dog.
The nonsense in this case is the idea that Vernon Depner is 'trying to debate.'
Bloody hell, we agree on something.
"Do you think child slavery is freedom?"
It is for the slavers. Those who exploit child labor in DR Congo make a decent living and freely go about their business unimpeded. If you're interested I recommend you read this book:
http://library.lol/main/1537E271E0AFCC6BF38328783A0914C3
"Slavery is freedom."—mtrueman
Ignorance is strength.
Get back to me after you finish reading the book.
Autoerotic asphyxiation to excess.
Capitalism sees that poverty will be reduced under it. Poverty is not desirable and capitalism is the best way to create the wealth that will lift people out of it. Libertarian and non-libertarian capitalists will generally agree that trying some centralised economic approach to eliminating poverty is unlikely to work. The more pragmatic libertarians like David Brin, of whom I’m a follower, tend to think that a well-educated citizenry, even if that education is publicly provided, will lead to a more entrepreneurial workforce, which will be overall of economic benefit – and will contribute to a reduction of poverty. Yes, government may be involved in education, but what happens thereafter is up to individual citizens.
"Capitalism sees that poverty will be reduced under it. "
The people exploiting child labor in DR Congo are accumulating wealth for themselves, certainly, but they are not reducing poverty, and to look to them to abolish child labor or other vile practices is naive. It's the free market, the demand for smart phones and the cobalt that drives them that puts in place the incentives to exploit these children.
Failure is entirely natural. See your life.
"Reason’s solution, easing these child workers to a life of prostitution is laughably cruel and an insult to human dignity."
Where did that come from? Citation(s) or excerpts please! Specifically with respect to CHILD whores? (Ignoring the fraught question of WHO is a "child" and who is NOT a child... Government Almighty and power pigs (butt I repeat myself) lust after defining ALL of us ass "children", and Themselves ass BENEVOLENT Momma-Dadda-OverLards!)
Bailey is not a libertarian-- if anything, she's Libertarianism Plus!
In a podcast I'm too lazy to chase down and link to, she is expressly against the "corporatization" of sex work, very specifically saying she believes the framework for sex-work should be decriminalization, NOT legalization.
And for the record, I actually agree with her. Whether she explicitly or implicitly has made the connection to the "legalized marijuana" mess we have now, I don't know, but she makes the case and makes it reasonably well, at least in this atomized case. However, given the socialist podcast she was knuckle-bumping on, she's likely more sympathetic to socialism than Libertarianism.
https://twitter.com/TheLaurenChen/status/1682768693653061632?t=wQuMpFmhRdqguXA1bWZRXA&s=19
Journalists have now reached levels of neuroticism previously thought to be impossible
"@NYTHealth
So you want to go outside — despite the heat, heavy rainfall and poor air quality affecting millions this summer. Here’s how to determine whether it’s safe to leave the house.
[Link]"
https://twitter.com/pepesgrandma/status/1682759348081106945?t=SI-ipT1nL9KSYLW6dmT6Iw&s=19
???? The planned terrorist, mass casualty, and car bomb event, that you never heard about.
Barakat, an immigrant from Syria, ambushed three Fargo, North Dakota, police officers in an unprovoked attack Friday and had an arsenal that included 1,800 rounds of ammunition and a homemade hand grenade.
One officer, Jake Wallin, 23, was killed and two others were shot and wounded. Barakat was shot and killed by Police Officer Zach Robinson.
Over the years he had been researching mass casualty events, and collecting weaponry. One of his research subjects was a failed car-bombing attempt in Times Square in 2010.
The placement of the fuel cans in Barakat’s car presents an uncanny resemblance to the car bomb in the failed Times Square attempt.
@Pimpernell13’s observations made it into RedState. Linkie
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So this bitch thinks that Brian Mitchell should not have been incarcerated?
she thinks he should have been allowed to keep Elizabeth Smart?
The fact is, some adults want sexual relations with underage persons. Whatever the merits of legalizing prostitution by adults, it will not reduce child sexual exploitation.
I understand your impulse to maintain the innocence of children with regards to sexuality. But the attempt to keep them in ignorance when all manner of exploitative practices are but a mouse click away is ill conceived and wrong headed. You're not doing them any favors. An educated child has more freedom and more options and more power than one kept in ignorance. Your desire to keep them innocent just makes them more vulnerable to wicked people who would exploit them. Ultimately, the best people to reduce the sexual exploitation of children are the children themselves.
You're crazy. A child has no power against a child sex trafficker, no matter what they've been taught about sex.
A child with education and knowledge about sexuality has more power than one with neither. There's nothing crazy about this. If sexuality if offensive to your puritan tastes and makes you squeamish, substitute reading and writing. A child with education and knowledge about reading and writing has more power than one with neither.
Dude, there's a hell of a big difference between a kid turning on HBO after 8 pm or so or finding images online, and a child sex trafficker actively trading those underage for money to line his/her pocket. One is merely the kid growing up. The other is innocence ripped away for the profit of the pimp and the sexual satisfaction of the pervert (someone like Pluggo).
What the fuck is wrong with you and others here that they can't understand that!?!
I support educating children. I oppose ripping away innocence for a pimp's profit.
Knowledge is good, thanks!
Butt NONE of that matters to the tribalists posting here! ALL that matters is, are ye aligned with "Team R", or the wrong-thinking infidels?
https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1682815296489365506?t=ukK2rapLDovFLjifSvCmzA&s=19
On May 6, 2022, Byline Times reported that elite pedophiles are traveling to Ukraine to purchase children that are sold into sexual slavery or killed and harvested for their organs for around $150,000.
Dean, a former British soldier who now works for MitMark claimed that Ukraine's border "is just a sweet shop for them at the moment,”
MitMark is a private risk advisory company that ‘fell into’ trying to combat human trafficking after arriving near the Medyka crossing in Poland to embark on a number of crisis management projects.
Byline Times stated: "To those who value greed over the most fundamental of basic decencies, the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the refugee crisis it has sparked is not a humanitarian catastrophe but the business opportunity of a lifetime."
Sources are in the next tweet of this Thread:
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"The going rate for a child – either to be sold into sexual slavery or killed and harvested for organs – is around $150,000."
The real reason for the burst in fifty-center activity here in the comments lately.
If someone makes a movie about MitMark successfully combating child trafficking from Ukraine, rest assured that Reason will pen a hit piece/bait and switch complaint review.
https://twitter.com/markdietrichsf/status/1682509395207376896?t=oQMaxXRDrOEFWeGuCBAsjg&s=19
Many Starbucks in SF have removed chairs and tables because they were frequently occupied by addicted and mentally ill homeless. A glaring, head-scratching sign of how much we have normalized our downward trajectory….
Down with tables and chairs! They only serve to make the homeless feel at home.
I hope some homeless set up camp in your office beside your desk, so you can feel noble and virtuous as they shoot up and shit on your rug.
Rather my rug than my carpet.
What is the difference, you ask. Well, both have two sides. With a rug, both sides are identical. Different with a carpet.
Nobody asked. We all know the difference.
So you're with me, then. You'd also prefer the Mother's Lament's homeless junkie to shit on your rug to save your carpet. Thanks for your support.
No, people just hate hypocrites like you.
With a rug, both sides are identical.
They are mirror images.
"They are mirror images."
Interchangeable is the more correct wording. Both sides are interchangeable. So, to be perfectly clear, when Mother's Lament's homeless junkie shits on your rug, you simply turn it over and forget the whole unpleasant episode. With a carpet, you're stuck with a stain.
Interchangeable is the more correct wording.
No, incorrect.
The Disinformation Police Are Even More Incompetent And Dishonest Than You Imagine
““NewsGuard Technologies” — a relatively new service that’s popped up in the last few years that purports to rate websites on their credibility based on some established criteria. It then sells its ratings services to schools, various corporate entities, and advertisers looking for someone to tell them what news outlets they can supposedly trust or what websites they don’t want to advertise on for fear of damaging their brand.
So how does NewsGuard go about making those ratings for websites? Well, it starts with firing off a series of hostile questions to the editors of a website about weirdly specific aspects of its coverage and demands you answer them in a vain attempt to improve whatever rating NewsGuard’s going to give you. Now it’s bad enough that this is an extortion racket, but it’s downright insulting to see NewsGuard’s team wheel around a website that publishes over a million words a year, cherry-pick some example of what they think is problematic coverage, and still demonstrate an inability to think critically or fairly about what they’re reading.
If it questions a dominant narrative, it does not compute with these people…
USA Today, was also a participant in Facebook’s fact-checking program. Facebook funds the fact-checking programs at these publications, even though these same publications are often required to cover Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg objectively in their news pages despite being financially compromised by this.
Facebook/Meta then brags that when a “fact checker” it helps pay for rates a story as false, it uses that rating to downrank and kill 80 percent of the internet traffic to that story. That’s what it says in its own corporate communications. Given how often we’ve seen Facebook-funded fact-checkers produce politically distorted nonsense, the power given to these people ought to be alarming.”
Nothing about food trucks? Or Open Borders?
Tomorrow’s article will be on Trump and/or DeSantis.
https://reason.com/2022/09/27/for-florida-gov-ron-desantis-political-stunts-are-more-important-than-substance/ and
https://reason.com/2022/09/21/are-ron-desantis-migrant-flights-legal/
Ass POTUS, DeSatan will be forcing USA taxpayers to trick and ferry billions upon brazilians of sub-Brazilians from Brazil to Botswana, and to deport illegal sub-Martians from Mars to Uranus! Ass long ass the illegal Martians SUFFER-SUFFER-SUFFER, red-meat-hungry socons and troglodytes will be DELIGHTED to spend those extra tax dollars! Butt I for one think that illegal Martians are intelligent beings, too, and hope that they will NOT suffer on Uranus, from too many foul odors, etc.!
DeSatan… SPEAKS to me! Get Thee behind me, DeSatan!
Scienfoology Song… GAWD = Government Almighty’s Wrath Delivers
DeSatan loves me, This I know,
For DeSatan tells me so,
Little ones to GAWD belong,
We are weak, but GAWD is strong!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
DeSatan tells me so!
DeSatan loves me, yes indeed,
Makes the illegal sub-humans bleed,
Protects me for geeks and freaks,
I LOVE to pay taxes, till my wallet squeaks!
PUNISH Disney, I’ll PAY for their pains,
Ass long ass DeSatan Blesses our gains!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
DeSatan tells me so!
DeSatan expels the low-lifes to Venus,
Moves them ANYWHERE, with His Penis!
His Penis throbs with His Righteousness,
Take no heed, He says, of His Frighteousness!
ALL must be PUNISHED, they say!
So never, EVER be or say gay!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
DeSatan tells me so!
Our USA taxes must PAY The Way, He may say,
To EXPORT the illegal Mars aliens, every day!
To Pluto, Jupiter, or Uranus, they must ALL go!
Oh, the places that the low-lifes will go, you must know!
The taxes we shall pay? Through the money, we must BLOW!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
DeSatan tells me so!
(If we did NOT do-doo, doo-doo-doo, ALL of this, then that them thar illegal Mars aliens WILL show up on OUR doors, in the formerly pure USA!!! We MUST keep them AWAY, far away, out in the Deep Dark Yonder!)
#MeInTheAss’CauseI’maGullibleLowBrowBlowHardConTard
#BeenTrumpledUnderfootForFarTooLong
Sqrlsy claims he doesn't copypaste these rants, but types them exactly the same each time from memory.
Which is far fucking creepier if you ask me.
PERFECT Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer (ass in ALL things) is THE Perfect Expert concerning being creepy!!!
Ask him about Stormy Daniels and section 230.
Stormy Daniels has gathered more nuts than even I have ever managed to gather! Ass the notches on her bedpost approach infinity, though, she STILL obsesses about “the One True Nut that got away” from her, which, of course, is Der Dear TrumpfenFuhrer!
I am still left wondering…
So is this, then, finally, the eagerly awaited “Drag Queen Stormy Daniels Hour” that I’ve heard SOOO much about?
I do have to hang my head in shame these days, and ‘fess up to being old, over the hill, and out of touch!
Butt… Now what IS this deal about “Drag Queen Stormy Daniels Hour” who-haaa thingee anyway?!?!? Is or was she the Queen of Dragging men (against their will and utmost efforts at self-control) into her lady-parts bear-trap “Snatch, I gotcha” device? What can one DO to resist her contriving and cuntriving mind control?
Does GREAT world-ass-class POETRY fend off her mind cuntrol? Doesn’t hurt to try, right?
All Hail Der TrumpfenFuhrer, Full of Grace
Savior of the human race!
Never mind, us all, He’ll disgrace!
Conservatards, above all, MUST save face!
In glory, a glaze of Vaseline,
Behold Stormy Daniels, our Queen!
What a scene, what a scene!
The Donald? NEVER so obscene!
Now don’t you DARE throw a fit,
It won’t matter, not even a bit,
We mustn’t ever, EVER quit,
We be saved, by The Trumptatorshit!
Q: What’s the difference between a rooster and a Stormy Daniels?
A: The rooster says “Cock-a-doodle-doooo”!, while the Stormy Daniels says “Any cock’ll do!”
Yeah, I just had to spam flag that Sqrlsy copypasta crap. It contributes nothing to a discussion and merely takes up bandwidth.
Technically, a bot dumping a buffer from RAM is "from memory".
No. Outlaw it all.
If it is sex between two consenting ADULTS, even for monetary reasons, it should be legal. If it is sex with a child, hang the adult AND pimp.
Sex workers want money. Fixed it for you.
Sex Workers Perform Jobs for Deposits
Stop smearing sex workers!
This is so strange by starting off bashing a film about child sex trafficking.
Why are so many in the press hellbent on defending pedophilia?
It's a completely different issue from adults performing sex work voluntarily and it's completely bizarre to try to tie them together.
It’s seriously disappointing to see this article here and I’m surprised it passed editorial muster. I was expecting something promoting the legalization of sex work among adults, which is what I expect to see from Reason, and which I agree with.
And at first glance I was surprised Elizabeth Nolan Brown didn’t write it. Once it became clear it was promoting the acceptance of sex work BY CHILDREN, I can see why Nolan Brown wouldn’t touch it with a 10-foot pole. The question is, why is Reason not reacting the same way?
Promoting or excusing child exploitation is NOT a libertarian position. What part of “consenting ADULTS” is so hard to understand?
The goal was to cast shade on the movie; sliding in implied support of inappropriate activities between adults and kids was there for the taking and they went with it. Perhaps reluctantly.
I'm not so sure I buy this "reluctant" schtick...
No worries. All the kids eventually get over their reluctance.
Drivel upon drivel. You can do better than this. Inigo Montoya? I'm not so sure.
"Promoting or excusing child exploitation is NOT a libertarian position. "
You've clearly misread the article. The argument is that sex between adults should be decriminalized to free up resources to combat sex between adults and children.
How are these resources going to combat sex between adults and children, you ask? The answer is layed out in the article:
"The solution to child sexual exploitation is sex education and access to services, shelters, and community support for people running away from abusive homes."
Not the most Libertarian solution, I grant you, but it's right there in the article. Not a long article, either. I urge you to read it as many times as necessary to let it sink in.
What do you think of the approach that Britain takes, where they arrest and prosecute the clients but not the sex workers? I am in favor of full legalization for both workers and clients. But I am wondering if that is what you meant by "de-criminalization" because I have been told that some people use it to refer to the British approach.
The article, and many of the comments, wreak of Cosmotarian.
If anyone cares…
New Zealand did not decriminalise prostitution it legalised it
For sound economic perspective go to https://honesteconomics.substack.com/
Legalized sex work reduces rape?
But I was taught that rape is 100% about power and 0% about sex. Always and for everyone.
What else have I been taught that's not true?
What else have I been taught that’s not true?
Potentially that decriminalization is always good and/or pro-liberty. For instance, if a libertarian magazine penned a favorable article along the lines of "Murder Legalized For People 17 And Under, Murder Rate Drops." and, rather than fewer people getting murdered (good), in reality but conforming to the headline, we were just arresting fewer people for committing the same or more murders (bad).
While Sound of Freedom, like Taken, or The Searchers, or the hundreds of white slave panic films
Coincidentally, Taken is about real world white slave panic inasmuch as The Dead Pool is about real world celebrities gambling on each other's deaths.
OH NOEZ! Who will save us from the white slave panic films?
Prostitution will remain illegal as long as fat sexless wives exist.
One more reason to repeal the 19th Amendment.
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>> The real villain in the overwhelming majority of these cases is poverty, which is a problem we cannot arrest our way out of. The solution to child sexual exploitation is sex education and access to services, shelters, and community support for people running away from abusive homes.
This is the part where I realized I left Reason and entered Clown World.