'Freedom Conservatism' Statement of Principles Shows the New Right Isn't the Only Game in Town
A new document with more than 80 signatories puts liberty, not government, at the heart of the conservative movement.

At times over the last few years, observers of America's conservative movement could be forgiven for thinking the "New Right" was the only game in town.
That was never true, but today, 80-plus writers and thinkers from within the broad center-right released "Freedom Conservatism: A Statement of Principles" to make the existence of an alternative clear. (Although I'm not a signatory, I offered feedback to the organizers on an early draft of the document.)
Whereas the New Right is loosely united by skepticism, if not hostility, toward classical liberal norms and institutions, the "freecons" seek to revive a fusionist approach. "We believe in free enterprise, free trade, free speech, strong families, balanced budgets, and the rule of law," wrote John Hood, president of the North Carolina–based John William Pope Foundation and one of the organizers of the statement, at RealClearPolitics this morning. "We champion equal protection and equal opportunity."
The document is an implicit rejoinder to the National Conservatism statement of principles released last fall. In my own extensive coverage of the natcons, I've noted that one of their distinguishing features is an unabashed "will to power"—the idea that conservatives should be comfortable wielding the heavy hand of the state to reward their friends and punish their enemies. Limited government, in this view, is for suckers.
A close read of the two statements reveals key differences between their perspectives. The natcons pay lip service to federalism, for example, but quickly pivot to empowering the feds to make exceptions. "In those states or subdivisions in which law and justice have been manifestly corrupted," they write, "or in which lawlessness, immorality, and dissolution reign, national government must intervene energetically to restore order." One wonders what the limiting principle is if Washington is authorized to "intervene energetically" anytime it perceives immorality and "dissolution" within its borders. The freecons, on the other hand, insist that "the best way to unify a large and diverse nation like the United States is to transfer as many public policy choices as possible to families and communities."
Likewise on economic matters, where the natcons choose to emphasize that "the free market cannot be absolute" and go on to enumerate the various problems with current market outcomes that they presumably think justify government intervention. Conversely, the freecon statement points to the many ways that a "corrosive combination of government intervention and private cronyism" is making life unaffordable and looks to "competitive markets, greater individual choice, and free trade," not top-down management, as the answer. It also explicitly calls out the national debt as a threat to American security and prosperity.
"We call ourselves Freedom Conservatives not because freedom is our sole interest," explained Hood in his RealClearPolitics piece, "but because without it, our other fundamental values and institutions will prove impossible to sustain."
See the full statement and long list of signatories (several of whom are also Reason contributors) at the freecon Substack.
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If there are no illegible scribbles on the signatory page, we can assume that Biden (D) is not on board.
The Biden supporters who identify as liberal would never tolerate the idea that Joe had even read a document expressing as many fundamentally Liberal priciples as this one seems to be committing to.
It's really sad that we've ceded so much intellectual territory to the use of Newspeak that a declaration such as this has to include a title naming it as a subset of a "conservative" movement.
As it says on the only truly political t-shirt that I own, Make Orwell Fiction Again.
N O ONE CARES
Because you don't care does not mean no one does. I mean, really, you purport to speak for all of humanity? Surely the signatories care... SMH
YEAH!
>>Surely the signatories care
undue influence may have occurred.
Although I welcome the alternative to statism, I suspect that the longer the list of "principles" cited, the more wiggle room the signatories have for exceptions. For example, commitment to "strong families" is fine as long as it's a negative commitment, i.e. doing nothing to prevent families from staying strong. The minute they start trying to promote something like that with active intervention or interfering with alternative choices, it defeats the "freedom" principle. Preventing same-gender marriages and adoption in order to "strengthen" traditional families would be more of what the right has been trying to impose and would not promote the "freedom" principle.
Yes, this! HOW can I love and honor my wife, while the married gay couple down the street is POLLUTING my straight love-vibes?!?!
"Freedom" for many conservatives today means freedom from illegal sub-humans, trannies, accused “groomers”, abortionists, gays, heathens, infidels, vaxxers, mask-wearers, atheists, Jews, witches, and, the very WORST of them all, being one of those accused of STEALING THE ERECTIONS OF OUR DEAR LEADER!!!!!!
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'"Preventing same-gender marriages and adoption in order to “strengthen” traditional families would be more of what the right has been trying to impose and would not promote the “freedom” principle."'
Yeah, but: recent polls indicate that about 55% of Republicans support same-sex marriage, and, if history is any indication, that percentage should continue to increase. So, although there might be a strong resistance to same-sex marriage among certain groups, there would be no reason to think they are in a position to impose their views on the general populace.
Yeah, but: recent polls indicate that about 55% of Republicans support same-sex marriage, and, if history is any indication, that percentage should continue to increase.
You sound like ENB quoting the (manufactured) "stable consensus" about abortion two weeks or whatever it was before SCOTUS struck down Roe v. Wade. Only worse as ENB assumed it in defense of a status quo, whereas you're asserting it as some sort of increase leading to an improved or desired outcome or alignment with some social policy.
Right, and if that's going to queer the deal enough that they lose popular support, then that's a bad bargain.
How about we get government out of the marriage definition game, which is between a man and woman, for the purpose of raising a family. No one is advocating tracking down the gays and putting them in jail. But stop this "most people are okay with gay marriage" shtick; the reality is that most people are simply live and let live. Pushing this is social engineering and the vast majority of people never asked for it. Letting homosexuals adopt children won't have any negative consequences right? That is deliberately attempting to normalize and propagate something that should not be normalized. This is the kind of thing that corrodes civilizations from the inside out.
"...which is between a man and woman, for the purpose of raising a family"
Oh gawd, that old line again? It's so easily shot down I barely have to try. So sterile heterosexuals can't get married? Those above child-bearing age? Those who don't WANT to "raise a family"?
You right-wingers never give up.
That's because you commies never stop trying to destroy society.
So sterile heterosexuals can’t get married? Those above child-bearing age? Those who don’t WANT to “raise a family”?
Not officially married under state law, no. Further, you’re conflating his statements about personal feelings and beliefs with other’s overt actions, or your wildly oppressive visions of them.
You right-wingers never give up.
He’s arguing in favor of common law marriage. You’re arguing against him by trying to impugn him as a social conservative or right-winger using the same tired sophistry you've used since the start of the movement. If I’m anyone but a batshit-insane progressive who already agrees with you, whether posing as a libertarian or not, you’re only doing the ideology of Freedom Conservatism a favor.
+10000000000. There is absolutely NO reason for 'government' to be defining relationships especially if there is no offspring (same-sex) to track. The idiocy just as well be every single person is *entitled* to a marriage certificate to themselves. The left is just manufacturing tyrannical misery with this 'same-sex equality' BS. The same way they want to pretend a jelly-bean counter is worth just as much as a Space travel engineer. They constantly want to use 'guns' against the people to TAKE/STEAL instead of EARN be it via wealth distribution or word/definition reassignment.
Arguably, civil marriage has now been "imposed" upon same-sex couples, and that they are now subject to the statutes which criminalize adultery, fornication, etc. (Yes, there are still some on the books) Or maybe no one takes civil marriage seriously enough any more that anyone wants to penalize adultery, etc.? Maybe the legal recognition of same-sex marriage was the recognition that no one takes it seriously?
This is the nature of all coalitions. You know what you want and what you don’t. So how little, and what particularly, can you offer to take against your interest to get in return something in your interest that’s against theirs?
Activists dislike thinking about give and take, or they have an unrealistic idea of how little they can give and how much they’ll get. And if you start discussing the give and take, you get reamed out by others on your side that you’re giving too much that’s important to them — or that you’re giving anything at all.
For example, I’m extremely pro-choice when it comes to abortions. However, the principle means little enough to me that I’d trade either a pro or anti position on abortion to gain accession from others on any of many other issues. My position is extreme, but the amount I care about it isn’t commensurately large. Like for instance, if people with a worthwhile amount of power said, "You can have legal drugs in return for illegal abortions," I'd say sure, sign me up.
Same here. In the spectrum of wants and needs, all ENB's blather about prostitution and abortion are low on the list. They are always going to exist, government can't stop them. But it can, and does, disrupt markets, censor, steal, and encourage corruption, and I'd much rather hold ALL government officials accountable, from cops to prosecutors to judges to burrocrats to politicians. Why are the Bidens still walking around free? Why has it taken so long to come down with yet another ruling against racism?
Read it. Turned out to not be so long, and it looks like it should be broadly popular, hard to disagree with, and devoid of the "catch" language you fear.
"Read it. Turned out to not be so long, and it looks like it should be broadly popular, hard to disagree with, and devoid of the “catch” language you fear."
Everything has a "catch." Or perhaps I should say: It is language, and language can be interpreted in most any way the reader wants to interpret it. It does not matter if a particular topic is stated, or completely omitted -- folks will read into the text a lot of things, based on their own perspective.
Or maybe adoption services should be privatized and the owners of the adoption agencies who place children in the homes of faggot pedophiles who keep getting busted pimping out their adopted kids to get buttfucked by other faggot pedophiles can be held fully liable for their decisions.
This brings up an excellent point, but I'd suspect that most of the hard-line "cultural conservatives" (aka would-be Christian Theocrats) are cleaving more to the "NatCon" faction largely because of that group's greater acceptance of top-down rule, which is likely also justified on its necessity to impose many of those cultural norms.
Anyone who makes a priority over worrying about "drag queen story time", or what pairings of people the marriages they claim to endorse are being formed by (it definitely seems like reaching a point where acceptance of same-sex marriages will match acceptance levels for what used to be outlawed as "miscegenation" in some states is a point that will be reached both inevitably and very soon), I would hope doesn't see their basic philosophy as being compatible with that of a "Freedom Con" declaration.
Libertarianism Plus: C'mon, crazy-pants Ron Paul, masks aren't just talismans... and why have public school children in Florida been banned from being forced to wear them? And lockdowns would be fine if the science supported them.
Yeah, those NatCons who think we aren't using the state forcefully enough against our oppressors aren't cool, but the libertarians and the FreeCons who sat idly by, twiddling their thumbs while people were locked down, had their assets frozen, and anyone within 6 degrees of their contact tracing circle spied on and/or tossed in a COVID camp are totally hip.
I kinda wish Hayek's The Road To Serfdom the cartoon edition weren't illustrated the way it was. The visual depiction makes for too contrite a narrative. That is, the actual text uses the words "National planner", not "National*ist* planner". Someone who's planning to eliminate the borders of a nation is also a National planner, even if they aren't National*ist*.
In the illustrator's defense even the title is a bit misleading as it somewhat implies/suggests there's only 1 road to serfdom rather than more of an "18 Things To See And Do On A Trip To Serfdom". Like, if you don't get shot for not doing your job at the end, just lobotomized or castrated, you aren't a serf.
Someone who’s planning to eliminate the borders of a nation is also a National planner, even if they aren’t National*ist*.
umm wut? It is the opposite. Getting rid of borders would be removing the restrictions of the borders and the planning associated with enforcing those restrictions.
Getting rid of borders would be removing the restrictions of the borders and the planning associated with enforcing those restrictions.
Doing so and dismantling all the institutions and dealing with the consequences of such a move takes no national planning at all.
No *national* planning, no.
If we lived in Anarcho-topia and there were no national borders whatsoever and people were free to migrate to and fro, there would not be any planners to try to plan where people “ought” to live. People would simply migrate based on their own preferences regardless of what any planners thought.
If you are talking about the practicalities of how to get from the status quo to Anarcho-topia, then yes that would require some planning if we wanted it to go smoothly. But even if there was no planning and we got Anarcho-topia from the Zombie Apocalypse or something, then it would not require national planning to maintain it.
Keeping borders enforced, and deciding who gets in and who doesn’t, how many border guards there should be, how big the border wall should be, what the travel visa policy should be, etc., those are all exercises in national planning.
Just note, I am not an anarchist and I do not support Anarcho-topia. I just recognize that it would be a state of less national planning, not more.
See the thing is, cytotoxic, the people you interact with are not nearly as stupid as you are so they don't fall for your embarrassingly shitty sophistry. It's true you're not an anarchist, you're a fascist. You just happen to be an internationalist instead of a nationalist. Eliminating borders forcibly by handing over sovereignty to supranational global government like you want is certainly not anarchy, and it certainly would require shit loads of central planning, which is exactly what you want. Because you're a fascist who supports a globally centrally planned political and economic collective as implemented by technocrats in cooperation with multinational corporations. "Getting rid of borders" does not inherently mean "anarcho-topia." You just created that idiotic false dilemma to try to distract from the internationalist fascism you actually support. Nobody fell for it, because nobody here with the possible exception of sarcasmic is as stupid as you are. It's too bad you don't spend as much time practicing actual gymnastics as you do mental gymnastics, you might not be a morbidly obese lardass fat fucking piece of shit.
I figured out a few years back that jeffy was one of those kids that other kids never wanted to play with because he was always trying to change the rules so he could win. He coped by convincing himself they wouldn't let him play because they were bullies.
Vetting immigrants is central planning. You can't justify excluding some people while allowing others to play. Nobody comes to America to take advantage of government programs, in league with criminals, or fleeing criminal prosecution. They are all just good clean folk who would otherwise starve to death or be killed by murderous totalitarians for no apparent reason and are willing to work for below market wages.
Lemme guess, despite my overt point against narrow thinking, someone took it as a challenge to narrow their thinking even further.
It's not really that complicated, it doesn't matter if your planning to erect a tent in your pants, at a camp site, or at a circus... it's all tent planning. It doesn't matter if the state, aliens, the Mayans, or anyone else erected a tent in your pants, at a camp site, or at a circus... your plan to get rid of it is still planning for the tent. Even if you don't plan for all of the people under the tent or the people that would be required to take down the tent, there's still a plan for something to happen to the tent unless the philosophy or policy idea is rather literally less than "Shit Happens." bumper sticker philosophy. Anyone with any intentions for the tent one way or the other is a tent planner.
The guide (Hayek) itself uses the phrase and invokes the notion: "hope for a miracle of public agreement as to their patchwork plan". That is, even if your policy is to simply say "Eliminate national borders." and hope that, by some miracle, the public (of the nation you intend to eliminate) accepts and implements some patchwork plan (your patchwork, their patchwork, something in between... any), it's a National policy or plan. A national plan potentially in search of a strongman to bend it to some other will or carry it to some other end. For the right Strong Man, Hope, alone, is more than sufficient to turn into national(ist) policy/plan.
Then the way that you use the phrase "national planner" makes the term moot, as it applies to any decision that anyone makes regardless if it is in the direction of more or less liberty.
As I understand your argument, ANY decision requires a "national planner" (either an explicit national planner or a patchwork of local plans), because ANY decision has consequences (some intended some not), and those consequences, according to you, REQUIRE a plan from some planner to deal with.
By this argument, the government nationalizing a business, or the government cutting taxes, either one is an example of "national planning" because either decision will have consequences that lead to someone somewhere devising a plan.
But this is a bit silly: if the government were to cut taxes, that would clearly be in the direction of more liberty, not less. It would be absurd to think that Hayek would argue against lowering taxes because it represents the need to construct a "national plan".
A better way to interpret this, IMO, is to interpret "national plan" as a NECESSARY COMPONENT of the decision in question. So for example, if the government were to nationalize a business, the government would by *necessity* have to construct some management plan for that business. But if the government were to cut taxes, then there would be no *need* for the government to construct some plan of "how to direct the citizens on what to do with all of that tax money that they now get to keep". That is not a necessary component of any tax cutting scheme. Now, if the government did cut taxes, then yes individual citizens would very likely construct plans on what to do with that money. But it would not be the government creating those plans, and moreover, those plans represent free choices by citizens on spending their own money that would otherwise have been kept by the government to be used in some central planning scheme.
So if the government tightened border security, then there would have to be a plan required on how to do so. But if the government loosened border security, then it represents a removal of the plan associated with the security that was removed.
You misrepresented what mad.casual said as usual, because you're a lying piece of shit, but even in your misrepresentation you can't make a coherent argument. The *national* government cutting taxes assumes a massive *national* plan that was already conceived and implemented. The government using the byzantine tax system *already created by central planners* to benefit their cronies and punish their opponents is a great example of what national planning means, you hopelessly fucking retarded lardass fat piece of shit.
Lol.
Hayek (and whoever adapted his work into cartoon form) may not have been able to imagine a world in which almost half of the people who imagine themselves to be protecting democracy itself from never-ending waves of "existential threats" would also support the idea of concentration camps for those who would choose to exercise bodily autonomy in relation to a decision other than the one and only issue to which that "fundamental principle" is deemed to apply.
Don't feel like reading the referenced document right now, so what's the difference between freedom conservatism and libertarianism?
More importantly, do you have any strategy or even tactics for use in the USA or other countries to get "conservatives" (maybe even literal conservatives, i.e. people wanting to keep things as they are) to be more libertarian?
"Don’t feel like reading the referenced document right now, so what’s the difference between freedom conservatism and libertarianism?"
Not much. And your question re strategies and tactics is quite valid. On the other hand, everything starts with the promotion of an idea. And if promotion of ideas seems to be all that libertarians have at the moment, well, "keep promoting."
Although Jefferson got the Declaration finished by July, the first principle of Climate Conservatism is wanting to keep Philadelphia cool enough for midsummer Constitution writing.
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This is Vulgar Madman approved.
You give me too much credit.
How Sladistic can the Editors get?
The only thing more painful than unreconstructed neocons instructing us in the virtues of neoliberalism is having to listen to another sermon from Reverend Mother Bulwark.
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I was, uh, one of the authors of the Port Huron Statement. The original Port Huron Statement. Not the compromised second draft.
How's about posting a link? It would be interesting to compare and contrast.
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The ten principals are fine as far as they go, but they feel like they have been dumbed down to avoid hurting any feelings. Here is Number 10:
Legal and moral obligations are nice, I am glad they recognize that, but it doesn't really address the problem with any solutions. I don't expect them to name names, but maybe ...
Censorship is evil whether by government or private parties.
But that's not true. Censorship done by private individuals on their own property is an exercise of private property rights, and hardly 'evil'.
Oh go away. Your definitions are far too flexible to be of any use. If you think Facebook et al's censorship was private property in action, you are as dumb as everyone says.
Not Facebook. I am talking about my and your right to censor on our private property. To declare that censorship to be 'evil' is, by extension, to declare that exercise of property rights to be 'evil'.
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I wrote, you complained, I clarified, AND NOW YOU TELL ME I AM STILL WRONG.
Way to win friends and influence enemies.
Among the reasons why cytotoxic is a morbidly obese fat piece of shit is because he uses food as a coping mechanism for being utterly and completely rejected by everyone in his life besides his mother, with whom he lives in the greater Toronto area of Ontario, Canada.
"House rules" aren't censorship, cytotoxic. Using institutional power to silence people whose views you disagree with is censorship. Words have meanings. Here's the actual meaning of "censorship"
censorial control exercised repressively
So, a property owner who kicked out a guest for speech that the owner found offensive. That sure seems to meet this definition.
Extended to cyberspace, it includes a forum banning users who express ideas that the owners don't like.
Here's a different way to approach this.
These companies routinely violate their own terms of service -- canceling accounts, deleting posts, relegating some to second class status to avoid automatic distribution. Yet the only recourse their customers have is expensive slow lawsuits.
That is censorship, and it is one of the features of our slow expensive judicial system. This is independent of taking their marching orders from the government.
Or are you happy with a government-rigged judicial system which actually encourages malfeasance by cronies?
No, it doesn't you stupid fat fucking retard, because a speaker being asked to leave a property at the request of the owner is not being repressed. He has any number of other venues he can choose for his speech, or he can use his own property for that purpose. Words still have meanings, you lardass mendacious fat sack of shit.
I see the neocons are trying to rebrand themselves again.
^^^
Now that I've read the statement of principles, it looks like it'd get broad acceptance from conservatives in the USA.
Why do conservatives want to pretend they're libertarians? It's weird.
Why do “Libertarians” want to obsess over what a group of dozens of nobody nerds who have no cultural influence write?
More importantly, Why are they hostile to any split hair with Conservatives, so much so that they must always “reluctantly support” Stalinist Totalitarians instead?
>>group of dozens of nobody nerds who have no cultural influence
hey I'm wearing my Dead Kennedys shirt at the office what more do you want?
A holiday in Cambodia?
don't forget to pack a wife.
sarcasmic has been waiting all year for this moment to demonstrate his boomer pop culture bona fides.
Poor sarc is going to think those last two words are an insult.
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Why do “Libertarians” want to obsess over what a group of dozens of nobody nerds who have no cultural influence write?
TL,DR: Conservatives saying “We should have free speech, except for the word Jehovah.” *is* Conservative, not libertarian, nor really weird. “Libertarians” saying, “We should have free speech unless it’s censored by private corporations at the behest of the government providing protection for said Good Samaritan corporations under the 1A of the internet.” is both people pretending to be libertarian *and* really fucking weird.
It’s funny, the Libertarian “No True Scotsman” musical chairs game ended like a decade after the Libertarian Moment of your choice, but like something out of The Walking Dead, Reason and their followers continue to try and wear it like a skin suit.
The Conservatives aren’t pretending to be libertarians. Socially or politically, why would they? Nobody gives a shit about libertarianism. They’re freedom conservatives. People who care about conserving freedom. Again, this is unlike Reason and their ilk who were generally quiet or even openly called for more testing during the lockdowns, gave platform to Anthony Fauci even after the sham was obvious, and several years after publishing a couple “Has the Gay Rights movement gone too far?” pieces, has jumped whole-heartedly on the “Don’t Say Gay (or malign and mutilate women and girls)!” bandwagon.
Conservatives loving freedom, even just their own conception of it or even as pretend, isn’t really new. People who jumped up and down screaming about the warmongering, spying, and nepotism of the Bush campaign or Bush and Nixon or Bush, Nixon, and McCarthy and are now mum on all-of-the-above-dwarfing government corruption, nepotism, spying, actual professional blacklisting and social maligning, and war mongering of that the magazine (and their benefactor) slant towards (if only by default) trying to continue to wear libertarianism as a skin long after it’s clear that it doesn’t fit them is weird.
Yep.
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"We believe in free enterprise, free trade, free speech, strong families, balanced budgets, and the rule of law,"
What one thing has nothing to do with the others? I can do it in one.
*** "strong families". ***
What people do or don't do with their personal lives, their relationships and their reproductive organs has NOTHING to do with the government.
I'm not sure what you're attempting, but I'm pretty sure you failed.
That is, whether you meant to say "The government should be able to regulate speech but not families/personal relationships." or "The government should not be able to regulate free speech, but should be able to regulate strong families." but I'm pretty sure you failed at what you seem to think is a simple distinction or compare-and-contrast.
Hopefully, you asked someone to hold your beer first, for the beer's sake.
There has always been more than one game in town. There is still woke liberalism, leftist socialism and die hard communism. But don't expect them to promote or support liberty, they are all about dictatorship and power. To bad classic liberalism has disappeared totally from the left, they actually liked liberty too.
Typical Republicans are almost perfectly aligned with Classical (REAL) Liberalism. That represents individual rights; small government; low taxes; minimal regulations; the objective rule of law.
Today's Demunist party stands for so-called "social liberalism" - a fake philosophy slapped together from a regurgitation of Marx around 1900 and used as propaganda to let Marxists claim they were "Liberals" as a way to hide from the (fully justified) persecution Marxists were then subject to. Social liberalism is literally the antithesis of Classical Liberalism - massive government; outrageously high confiscatory taxes; rights only if government graciously permits them; endless regulations; and the subjective "rule of man" (mob / elite rule over law).
If only today's Americans would wake up and persecute Marxists as they did in 1900, this country would truly become great again.
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