Gadgets and Gizmos That Inspired Adam Smith
Smith appreciated the beauty and allure of intricate systems.

Pocket gadgets were all the rage in Adam Smith's day. Their popularity inspired one of the most paradoxical, charming, and insightful passages in his work.
The best known are watches. A pocket timepiece was an 18th century man's must-have fashion accessory, its presence indicated by a ribbon or bright steel chain hanging from the owner's waist, bedecked with seals and a watch key. Contemporary art depicts not just affluent people but sailors and farm workers sporting watch chains. One sailor even wears two. "It had been the pride of my life, ever since pride commenced, to wear a watch," wrote a journeyman stocking maker about acquiring his first in 1747.
Laborers could buy watches secondhand and pawn them when they needed cash. A favorite target for pickpockets, "watches were consistently the most valuable item of apparel stolen from working men in the eighteenth century," writes historian John Styles, who analyzed records from several English jurisdictions.
But timepieces were hardly the only gizmos stuffing 18th century pockets, especially among the well-to-do. At a coffeehouse, a gentleman might pull out a silver nutmeg grater to add spice to his drink or a pocket globe to make a geographical point. The scientifically inclined might carry a simple microscope, known as a flea glass, to examine flowers and insects while strolling through gardens or fields. He could gaze through a pocket telescope and then, with a few twists, convert it into a mini-microscope. He could improve his observations with a pocket tripod or camera obscura and could pencil notes in a pocket diary or on an erasable sheet of ivory. (Not content with a single sheet, Thomas Jefferson carried ivory pocket notebooks.)
The coolest of all pocket gadgets were what antiquarians call etuis and Smith referred to as "tweezer cases." A typical 18th century etui looks like a slightly oversized cigarette lighter covered in shagreen, a textured rawhide made from shark or ray skin. The lid opens up to reveal an assortment of miniature tools, each fitting into an appropriately shaped slot. Today's crossword puzzle clues often describe etuis as sewing or needle cases, but that was only one of many varieties. An etui might contain drawing instruments—a compass, ruler, pencil, and set of pen nibs. It could hold surgeon's tools or tiny perfume bottles. Many offered a tool set handy for travelers: a tiny knife, two-pronged fork, and snuff spoon; scissors, tweezers, a razor, and an earwax scraper; a pencil holder and pen nib; perhaps a ruler or bodkin. The cap of a cylindrical etui might separate into a spyglass.
All these "toys," as they were called, kept early manufacturers busy, especially in the British metal-working capital of Birmingham. A 1767 directory listed some 100 Birmingham toy makers, producing everything from buttons and buckles to tweezers and toothpick cases. "For Cheapness, Beauty and Elegance no Place in the world can vie with them," the directory declared. Like Smith's famous pin factory, these preindustrial plants depended on hand tools and the division of labor, not automated machinery.
Ingenious and ostensibly useful, pocket gadgets and other toys epitomized a new culture of consumption that also included tea, tobacco, gin, and printed cotton fabrics. These items were neither the traditional indulgences of the rich nor the necessities of life. Few people needed a pocket watch, let alone a flea glass or an etui. But these gadgets were fashionable, and they tempted buyers from a wide range of incomes.
A fool "cannot withstand the charms of a toyshop; snuff-boxes, watches, heads of canes, etc., are his destruction," the Earl of Chesterfield warned his son in a 1749 letter. He returned to the subject the following year. "There is another sort of expense that I will not allow, only because it is a silly one," he wrote. "I mean the fooling away your money in baubles at toy shops. Have one handsome snuff-box (if you take snuff), and one handsome sword; but then no more pretty and very useless things." A fortune, Chesterfield cautioned, could quickly disappear through impulse purchases.
In The Theory of Moral Sentiments, first published in 1759, Smith examined what made these objects so enticing. Pocket gadgets claimed to have practical functions, but these "trinkets of frivolous utility" struck Smith as more trouble than they were worth. He deemed their appeal less practical than aesthetic and imaginative.
"What pleases these lovers of toys is not so much the utility," Smith wrote, "as the aptness of the machines which are fitted to promote it. All their pockets are stuffed with little conveniences. They contrive new pockets, unknown in the clothes of other people, in order to carry a greater number." Toys embodied aptness, "the beauty of order, of art and contrivance." They were ingenious and precise. They were cool. And they weren't the only objects of desire with these qualities.
The same pattern applied, Smith argued, to the idea of wealth. He portrayed the ambitious son of a poor man, who imagines that servants, coaches, and a large mansion would make his life run smoothly. Pursuing a glamorous vision of wealth and convenience, he experiences anxiety, hardship, and fatigue. Finally, in old age, "he begins at last to find that wealth and greatness are mere trinkets of frivolous utility, no more adapted for procuring ease of body or tranquillity of mind than the tweezer-cases of the lover of toys."
Yet Smith didn't condemn the aspiring poor man or deride the lover of toys. He depicted them with sympathetic bemusement, recognizing their foibles as both common and paradoxically productive. We evaluate such desires as irrational only when we're sick or depressed, he suggested. In a good mood, we care less about the practical costs and benefits than about the joys provided by "the order, the regular and harmonious movement of the system….The pleasures of wealth and greatness, when considered in this complex view, strike the imagination as something grand and beautiful and noble, of which the attainment is well worth all the toil and anxiety."
Besides, Smith suggested, pursuing the false promise of tranquility and convenience had social benefits. It was nothing less than the source of civilization itself: "It is this which first prompted them to cultivate the ground, to build houses, to found cities and commonwealths, and to invent and improve all the sciences and arts, which ennoble and embellish human life; which have entirely changed the whole face of the globe, have turned the rude forests of nature into agreeable and fertile plains, and made the trackless and barren ocean a new fund of subsistence, and the great high road of communication to the different nations of the earth."
Then Smith gave his analysis a twist. The same aesthetic impulse that draws people to ingenious trinkets and leads them to pursue wealth and greatness, he argued, also inspires projects for public improvements, from roads and canals to constitutional reforms. However worthwhile one's preferred policies might be for public welfare, their benefits—like those of a pocket globe—are secondary to the beauty of the system.
"The perfection of police, the extension of trade and manufactures, are noble and magnificent objects," he wrote. "The contemplation of them pleases us, and we are interested in whatever can tend to advance them. They make part of the great system of government, and the wheels of the political machine seem to move with more harmony and ease by means of them. We take pleasure in beholding the perfection of so beautiful and grand a system, and we are uneasy till we remove any obstruction that can in the least disturb or encumber the regularity of its motions." Only the least self-aware policy wonk can fail to see the truth in Smith's claim.
Here, however, the separation of means and end can be more serious than in the case of a trinket of frivolous utility. Buying a gadget you don't need because you like the way it works doesn't hurt anyone but you. Enacting policies because they sound cool can hurt the public they're supposed to benefit. "All constitutions of government," Smith reminded readers, "are valued only in proportion as they tend to promote the happiness of those who live under them. This is their sole use and end." Elsewhere in The Theory of Moral Sentiments, Smith criticized the "man of system" who imposed his ideal order, heedless of the wishes of those he governed.
Smith appreciated the beauty and allure of systems. His life's work was to formulate systematic understandings of social orders, and he concluded his discussion on an optimistic note. Depicting an appealingly intricate system, he suggested, could enlist those otherwise uninterested in beneficial reforms. Seduce them with organization charts!
"You will be more likely to persuade," Smith wrote, "if you describe the great system of public police which procures these advantages, if you explain the connexions and dependencies of its several parts, their mutual subordination to one another, and their general subserviency to the happiness of the society; if you show how this system might be introduced into his own country, what it is that hinders it from taking place there at present, how those obstructions might be removed, and all the several wheels of the machine of government be made to move with more harmony and smoothness, without grating upon one another, or mutually retarding one another's motions."
It's hard not to see this argument as the inspiration for Wealth of Nations. If Smith could make an economy of free exchange seem as cool as the latest intricate gadget, he might just be able to sell it.
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And today in England, Mr. Smith's etui might get him arrested for the various knife blades and bodkins in it.
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The best gizmo Smith had up his sleeve was nether watch or sundial, but Napier's Bones: the ivory-scaled slide rule that was the pocket calculator of the Scottish Enlightenment.
"Buying a gadget you don't need because you like the way it works doesn't hurt anyone but you."
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Good point. Ms. Postrel's offhand remark is consistent with the world view of Our Betters. The people trying to run the world now are hot to tell us what we do not need: Meat, internal combustion engines, natural gas stoves, natural gas itself, home ownership, air conditioning, gasoline fueled lawn mowers.... Anyone here can add to the list.
I took it more as "it certainly doesn't hurt anyone else", i.e.: it's NAP compliant behavior. Unlike what the rest of that paragraph is about, which is fiddling about with society to try and "order" it to the liking of those "betters" you refer to.
*shrug*
Firearms…
Whining about Reason on Reason’s website.
You just admitted you think you should be one of the people who run the world Dee. That’s mighty white of you.
Well, Virginia Postrel also has written glowingly about fashion and accessories of women and the benefits they afford both the users and society at large, so I don’t necessarily think that it was meant in a bad way.
My Every Day Carry (EDC) items are far from frivolous and are even boon companions! My key holder alone holds:
*6 metal rings and a biner;
*A flint-and-steel set for firemaking;
*A whistle/English and Metric thermometer/compass/magnifying glass combo;
*A Kershaw box-cutter/pry-edge/bottle-opener/regular screwdriver combo;
*A 12-piece mini multitool with pliers, a wire cutter, several wire-straightener surfaces, a pen knife, 2 regular screwdrivers, one Phillips screwdriver, an awl, a bottle opener, a can opener, a fine and rough file, several wire, and an 5 Inch English/12 Centimeter Metric Ruler;
*A smaller multitool with pliers, wire cutter, wire straightener, regular screwdriver, jewelers Phillips screwdriver, file, and a tiny penknife.
My vest pockets also hold:
*My smartphone (a multitool in it’s own right);
*A spare battery and USB cable;
*My spare keys (never locked out of my auto or home in 41 years);
*A larger Kershaw pocket knife that easily flips open like a switchblade with occasional lubrication from Vaseline;
*Rubber finger tips to sift stuck currency bills and plastic bags
*Baggies of First Aid bandages, a feminine pad for deep cuts and chest wounds, NSAID and caffeine headache powders;
*And a medicine bottle of powdered milk to add to water for pepper spray treatment in case of civil unrest.
Just needful things for work-a-day chores, little boo-boos, and Shit Hits The Fan (SHTF) disasters.
As for the vehicle and home, that would take tomes to document!
“Don’t Leave Home Without Them” and above all your mind, Self-Reliant Freedom-Lovers!
“…Have one handsome snuff-box (if you take snuff), and one handsome sword; but then no more pretty and very useless things.”
Of course the Earl of Chesterfield would would say that. Obviously, he’d use the sword to get everything else he needed. 😉
I love this article by Virginia Postrel on what is now called Every Day Carry (EDC.) I collect them and use them by the boodle!
People who don’t have at least a couple of EDCs, well, they’re not really Man, the Rational Tool-Making, Tool-Using Animal.
It seems that gadgetness - the quality of being a gadget - has always held an appeal.
Humans are already part gadget with all of our medical aids, enhancements, and prostheses. May we become more gadget-y, self-using, self-maintaining and self-fulfilling!
The Singularity or Bust! 🙂
How to tell if you are a MAGA-Communist?
1- you support Putin, Xi, and Trump and oppose NATO, WEF, and Global Trade (WTO).
2- you support seizing the means of production from "evil" private enemies like Blackrock, Disney, Google, Facebook, Morgan Chase and other "Jew-run" globalist corporations.
3- You're sick of the smart-alecky "elite" bourgeoisie Swamp in DC and want to overthrow them and replace them with local MAGA proletariat.
#MAGACommunism
You forgot that Trump fell in love with Kim Jong-un.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV6mVmAVQU4
WORKERS PARADISE!
#MAGACommunism
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Poor Sarcasmic.
It takes a lot of butthurt and stupidity to fall for a fifty-centing, pedophile troll's defense of corporatism.
Wow. This is pathetic even for you. Totally not a CNN repeating leftist.
What happened to the Denny Hastert Republican narrative? I mean it was dumb, but not any dumber than MAGA-communists.
Also, you were banned for posting links to child pornography. You should turn yourself in for your crimes against children.
What happened to the Denny Hastert Republican narrative?
Well, many MAGA types are both. I read the police reports.
Do you imagine anyone other than broke ass sarc buys your bullshit here?
Sarc defending this leftist pedophile is my favorite turn here over the last year. Went from pathetic heal to just pathetic.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Somehow I just don’t see Hastert being “MAGA”. However, he’s more like you, pedo.
I'd confused. Are MAGA communists still fascists? And default patriarchal racists?
Commies and fascists are both populists, stirring up class hatred for political gain.
Democrats and Nazis are both racists stirring up racial hatred for political gain.
You forgot Republicans who stir up hatred against Latinos, brown and black Muslims, inner city blacks, Chinese (every one of them is a commie right?), basically anyone who isn't from Europe, all for political gain.
Cite?
All he has is CNN and Dem (i repeat myself) talking points left.
The 1960s called and said they want their liberal propaganda back.
WEF is literally a global communist entity trying to formulate world governments to control the means of labor.
Lol. Parody.
Western Europe and the USA run the WEF, idjut. Neither are communist.
No. They don’t. Billionaires utilize it as a government influence institution retard. Who elected the WEF?
Again. Youre a parody.
All those billionaire "commies" getting rich off poor-ass MAGA workers?
Quit digging. You're pathetic.
What argument did you even attempt there parody?
turd is a fucking liar. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
"The perfection of police, the extension of trade and manufactures, are noble and magnificent objects
Adam Smith would be chagrined to know that MAGA-Communists want to defund the FBI and put in barriers to trade like tariffs and country-of-origin requirements.
Please update us on that coup you were hyping yesterday. 🙂
#LibertariansForProxyWars
#LibertariansForCoupsInNuclearArmedCountries
It fizzled out, sadly.
I had high hopes Vlad would be strung up on a meat-hook outside the Bolshoi Theater.
"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest."
Denis Diderot
What did Diderot have to say about pederasts?
"I had high hopes Vlad would be strung up"
Remember when the official Democratic talking point insisted Russia was a joke not even worth worrying about?
Then 4 years later they reprogrammed you with "Don't believe the lies about Clinton being a terrible candidate. She's actually a great candidate who got cheated by Russia, the primary source of evil in the new millennium."
#IThinkIKnowWhyBillKristolSwitchedParties
Putin cowered before the big red reset button as he invaded Crimea.
Uh oh shrike. According to Schiff you are part of the Russian influence to get Trump in office.
Adam Schiff
@RepAdamSchiff
The Wagner Group is a private military force and mercenary group, empowered and financed by Putin and run by Yevgeny Prigozhin.
.
Prigozhin is also known as “Putin’s chef” and ran the infamous troll farm — part of Russia’s 2016 election interference.
.
Robert Mueller indicted him for it.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled asshole and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
I remember Smiths book "Political Weaponization of Nations."
As reason libritarians know real capitalism is 3 companies combined with the goverment dictating how all other cooperations should function
Shrike calls that Randian capitalism. Mostly because he is a fucking idiot. Just ignore everyone and every entity he supports would have been a villain in Rands books.
The Presidential election of 1976. I urge you, as emphatically as I can, not to support the candidacy of Ronald Reagan. I urge you not to work for or advocate his nomination, and not to vote for him. My reasons are as follows: Mr. Reagan is not a champion of capitalism, but a conservative in the worst sense of that word—i.e., an advocate of a mixed economy with government controls slanted in favor of business rather than labor (which, philosophically, is as untenable a position as one could choose—see Fred Kinnan in Atlas Shrugged, pp. 541-2). This description applies in various degrees to most Republican politicians, but most of them preserve some respect for the rights of the individual. Mr. Reagan does not: he opposes the right to abortion.
Ayn Rand
Remember that turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Didn't you always claim you voted for Reagan, Shrike?
You're not keeping your lies straight. Maybe you should ask your boss at the fifty-cent factory to create character sheets for you.
I did vote for Reagan in 1984 against Mondale. That doesn't mean Ayn Rand was wrong.
It also doesn’t mean she supported democrats or globalist organizations dumdum.
Socialism may be established by force, as in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics—or by vote, as in Nazi (National Socialist) Germany. The degree of socialization may be total, as in Russia—or partial, as in England. Theoretically, the differences are superficial; practically, they are only a matter of time. The basic principle, in all cases, is the same.
"The right to property…is not a guarantee that a man will earn any property, but only a guarantee that he will own it if he earns it."
Kind of goes against your WEF and Soros beliefs now doesn't it.
No, idiot. Buffett and Soros are the greatest capitalists/investors of all time. Neither is a socialist you moron.
You misspelled "greatest corporatists".
Fascist economics aren't the free-market, Shrike.
Anybody who broke tha bank of England can't be described as a capitalist.
Soros shorted the British currency.
He bet against the state - the ultimate action a libertarian individual can take.
Today he is fighting the drug war.
Soros is a Hero of Liberty.
I know, I know - Bush-pigs don't like him for opposing the Iraq War and Dubya in 2004.
Economic terrorism is no heroism.
So if you short a currency you are a terrorist in opposition to that country/currency?
I know of many idiot Teabagger "patriots" who shorted the US Dollar because Obama was elected. Instead the US Dollar gained strength while deficits fell for eight years.
It's econ terrorism when it effects a broad population. And just regular terrorism it was done for change.
Shorting a currency is not economic terrorism. It is the financial exploitation of a supply imbalance.
Soros did more than short. He also lobbied for harmful government actions and funded various groups to sow discord dumdum.
Hero of liberty, especially for violent criminals under arrest or even after conviction. Let's hope one of they comes by to thank you personally for your support.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Hero of liberty, just ignore all the Jews he helped send to the camps, Nazi sympathizing scum bucket.
The Bank of England was acting against free-market principles owing to the British government joining the ERM at the wrong level and then trying to maintain it at that level. (The peseta and the escudo underwent similar experiences.)
One would think that the more free-market-inclined types here would disapprove of the original decision to join the ERM - at whatever level - initially, and agree with market forces that drove it out.
FWIW at one point interest rates went over 300% for overnight funds, and that was enough to halt the bleeding, but only because it happened on a Wednesday.
Talking points down straight shrike. Did you ever investigate the narrative?
Fuckwit, I was living through it and later gave training sessions on FX covering it, so I didn't need "talking points" or "narratives".
Clearly you're on the side of Mahathir Mohammed.
Lol. Yeah. FX is in the habit of hiring college drop outs who don't know shit about the topic at hand.
I didn’t drop out, I flunked out, took the British civil service exam and applied to - and was accepted by - a crown agency that had an investment division, and continued then in finance. Later I taught finance/capital markets for a few years including FX – I found it relatively easy to learn what needed to be learned. Not everyone did. And I also found it easy to teach. Almost no-one did.
Here’s an old FX programme of mine – fairly simple, but aimed at incoming grads in London.
Note the file name bottom left.https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-UFN6lshKqawEadvMNSRabKFI1xmSZxh/view?usp=sharing
Now fuck off, you fat cunt.
"Fuckwit, I was living through it and later gave training sessions on FX covering it, so I didn’t need “talking points” or “narratives”.
Clearly you’re on the side of Mahathir Mohammed."
You steaming pile of lefty shit, you should be thankful for being compared to turd; you are not as intelligent as that asshole
"I didn’t drop out, I flunked out, took the British civil service exam and applied to – and was accepted by – a crown agency that had an investment division, and continued then in finance. Later I taught finance/capital markets for a few years including FX – I found it relatively easy to learn what needed to be learned. Not everyone did. And I also found it easy to teach. Almost no-one did..."
On the web, no one can tell that you're a dog.
Stuff your fanaticism up your ass and please fuck off and die.
Lol. See. Parody.
They spend billions to gain government power for their businesses. It isnt free market dumdum.
What have either produced outside of market manipulations, often backed by government bribes?
They spend billions to gain government power for their businesses.
This is proof of your idiocy.
Their respective businesses are Berkshire Hathaway and Quantum. What did they buy for them? They have no lobbyists.
Lol. Holy fuck you are ignorant.
An example. Soros funds green groups to lobby against energy on federal lands, tells politicians beholden to him to push green energy policies, has lobbyist organizations, funds lawsuits... then buys up private lands in response to raise the price of energy extracted there.
You have gone full retard today.
The Open Society Policy Center, a human rights organization founded by billionaire philanthropist George Soros that seeks to influence US policy, spent $31,520,000 in 2018.
Though he claims to eschew “huge” political checks, Buffet has given substantial contributions to liberal political candidates and committees, including a $25,000 check to Hillary Clinton’s super PAC. Moreover, he opposes calls for transparency on his corporations’ political giving, and foundations he funds have pledged to give hundreds of thousands of dollars to liberal organizations supported by the liberal mega-donor conglomerate Democracy Alliance.
You are the dumbest and/or most partisan leftist retard here.
You got really excited after sarc started backing up your lies.
Obama and the DNC were their lobbyists. And shutting down the Keystone pipeline meant oil continued to be shipped on Warren Buffett's Burlington Northern making him billions more.
Quantum, the Soros investment fund, forgoes lobbying, you moron.
Of course OSF lobbies for liberal democracy and human rights/freedom.
We're talking about lobbying on behalf of your COMPANY.
Likewise Buffett's personal political contributions are not "lobbying" although on rare occasion Berkshire has lobbied on behalf of their gas-fired power plants.
Are you really so fucking stupid to think 2 different organizations under the same name have differing goals? Really shrike?
Do you want me to give you examples of both meeting with politicians directly?
This is your most retarded day of argumentation ever.
Every day is his most retarded day of argumentation ever. He's an overachiever in the field.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
No you didn't. Everyone says you're a leftist which means you always supported Democrats. Don't believe your lying memory. Listen to the wise trolls. They know what's what.
Nothing that Soros or Buffett have promoted can be described as free markets (the pursuit of access).
On this basis alone, libertarians should reject them.
Most businessmen oppose free markets. They get rich because they're businessmen, not economists. And they'll take any protection they can get.
And yet here you are defending shrikes claims. Weird.
He’s a bigger white knight than Mikey.
Poor Sarcasmic.
It takes a lot of butthurt and drunken rage to white knight for the pederast.
Shrike has literally, in the near 15 years I’ve been posting here, always been a dem supporter. There is no policy that they can push that he won’t simp for.
Tha fuck?
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled asshole, a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
"I did vote for Reagan in 1984 against Mondale. That doesn’t mean Ayn Rand was wrong."
And I never did, and not because I was only a couple of years old at the time and not American, but because I'm not a neocon warpig like you.
And yet here you are, Reagan-voter, using Reagan to infer that we are the ones Rand ranted about, and not you.
Rand opposed conservatives.
Of course she would also oppose progressives. Face it, I align more with Rand and Hayek than you ever will.
The Canadian Cunt is simply a tribe member who is lockstep with his tribal leaders, and can’t imagine anyone else doing otherwise. Therefore anyone who disagrees with him on anything a member of the other tribe in lockstep with the tribal leaders. That’s why when someone disagrees with him about A, he attacks them for what he imagines their stance to be on B, C and D, assuming it's in lockstep with the other tribe. His tribal brain cannot comprehend independent thought.
...on anything is a member...
He really is just a dimwitted virtue-signaling tribalist. Whenever I have a conversation with him about virtually any topic, it generally always ends with him saying some variation of HOW DARE YOU!!!! He's just full of moral outrage and anger and emoting. He really is the right-wing version of the progressive who goes on Twitter and calls everyone a racist. He is just here to virtue-signal to his tribe that he has the 'correct' morals and so he just takes the cheap and easy and unthinking position that requires zero intellect or thought or effort.
The true leftist tribalists who have him on mute have even adopted the same language as they claim to not be leftist tribalists. Lol.
You both complain about strawman but then make up arguments of those you claim to have muted. Weird.
Every single disagreement with him (and his girlfriends) eventually turns into him using sentences with the word “you” in them, because he always resorts to attacking the person instead of challenging what they say. Great minds debate ideas, mediocre minds discuss events, while the dimwits I have on mute only discuss people.
And get this, they’re so fucking stupid that they think they’re clever when they see people smarter than them discuss people and shout “Ideas!” as if smart people who discuss ideas never talk about people. But you’ll never see them in a conversation about ideas. At least I never once saw it during the years I did not have them on mute.
Edit: I take that back. They have poked their dicks into conversations about ideas, but only to attack people.
Sarc, you're literally talking about other people and have yet to post an argument this morning. God damn this is sad.
"He really is just a dimwitted virtue-signaling tribalist."
And yet I continually manage to make you look like the idiotic DNC fifty-center you are.
"it generally always ends with him saying some variation of HOW DARE YOU!!!!"
This is true. Mainly because you're an anti-human monster whose opinions and predilections never fail to shock and disgust me. Interacting with you is like being in the presence of Amon Göth and John Wayne Gacy, except that you probably lie more.
I've made no secret of the fact that I find you abhorent.
And it's not just me. I think it's fair to say 99% of the regular posters here hate you.
"And get this, they’re so fucking stupid that they think they’re clever when they see people smarter than them discuss people and shout “Ideas!” as if smart people who discuss ideas never talk about people."
Woah! Get a load of this, folks. Sarcasmic thinks he's smarter than us.
If true, given what we know about Sarkles' intellectual gifts, we'd have to be some of the dumbest motherfuckers alive. Somewhere between a potted plant and a brain pickled in bum wine.
Sarcs self evaluation of himself after ending up a drug addled alcoholic homeless person who has a community College degree but still has to ask basic html code is hilarious.
This is true. Mainly because you’re an anti-human monster
If I were such an "anti-human monster" then it should be trivially easy to come up with logical arguments, at a minimum based on humanist principles let alone libertarian ones, to refute my positions. But you don't, because you can't. Because you're a dimwitted moron who is only interested in virtue-signaling to your tribe instead of presenting anything resembling a cogent argument.
Woah! Get a load of this, folks. Sarcasmic thinks he’s smarter than us.
Sarcasmic is smarter than you. I'm smarter than you. 90% of the phone book is smarter than you. Hell, probably the phone book itself is smarter than you.
But hey, prove me, the "anti-human monster" wrong. Why don't you try to answer the question that I asked you a few days ago:
https://reason.com/2023/06/22/drag-is-protected-speech-federal-judge-rules/?comments=true#comment-10122784
So, ML, why don’t you explain to us what moral views you wish the government to impose upon everyone, that go beyond the NAP, and why you think libertarians should support your perspective on the matter.
If you are such the intellectual paragon you claim to be then it should be no problem for you to come up with an answer to this.
But instead I suspect you will do the same thing that you did last time when I posed this question, 100% virtue-signal and call me more names.
You don't want to prove me right, do you?
"to refute my positions. But you don’t, because you can’t."
I refute you constantly which is why your always moving goalposts and redefining and lying about what others have said. We're all constantly calling you out on this.
That's why everyone here calls you 'Lying Jeffy'.
"Sarcasmic is smarter than you. I’m smarter than you. 90% of the phone book is smarter than you. Hell, probably the phone book itself is smarter than you."
Shall we poll everyone here, Jeffy? Ask them if they think you're smarter than I am?
Do you want to lay bets on what the results will be?
This is actually a fun idea. I'm going to link to your post and poll everyone in the Roundup tomorrow.
Don't worry, it won't be a total wash. I'm sure the drunk, the pederast and the sealion will throw a few votes your way.
"Why don’t you try to answer the question that I asked you a few days ago"
I thought it was pretty self evident. The NAP doesn't stop you from taking a person who rapes and maims children, and beating their head in with a rock. Just like putting a bullet in the head of Amon Göth at the height of the holocaust wouldn't.
See Jeff, if you weren't evil you'd understand this.
I’d like to add that not only will the Canadian bring up other positions that he assumes people have, but he will accuse everyone he disagrees with of being a sock. He poisons the well by assigning what he thinks other peoples positions are to anyone he disagrees with.
When that fails he’ll claim they support eugenics, forced euthanasia, and abortions up until birth.
"he’ll claim they support eugenics, forced euthanasia, and abortions up until birth."
Are you saying you don't? That's new.
What if they're Mormons?
I refute you constantly
no, what you do is move the goalposts, create strawmen, stuff words in people's mouths, but mostly, just emote and virtue signal and shout HOW DARE YOU a lot.
Shall we poll everyone here, Jeffy?
an opinion poll is not the same as an intelligence test. But you knew this.
I thought it was pretty self evident.
and yet again you don't answer the question.
Here it is again:
What moral framework, beyond the NAP, should the state enforce, and why should libertarians accept it?
you keep proving me right every time you dodge this question.
“Are you saying you don’t? That’s new. What if they’re Mormons?”
Thanks for proving my point.
Hahahahahahaha
Holy shit the lack of self-awareness is staggering.
"no, what you do is move the goalposts, create strawmen, stuff words in people’s mouths"
Alright, Lying Jeffy. How about you give a link to me doing just one of those things. I can actually point to you moving goalposts and putting words in people’s mouths in just this thread alone, but I'll give you all the Reason comments ever to come up with a cite to back your assertions about me.
"an opinion poll is not the same as an intelligence test"
Are you finally acknowledging most people here think you're a fucking idiot?
"What moral framework, beyond the NAP, should the state enforce, and why should libertarians accept it?"
Don't sexually assault, don't maim and don't kill people who can't or won't consent. Do no harm. Quit pretending there's more to it than that.
You're trying to pretend it's complicated and has gray areas. It isn't and doesn't.
"Thanks for proving my point."
When did you stop hating Mormons, KAR?
Does Chuck P. know?
How about you give a link to me doing just one of those things.
oh give me a break. you do them all the time, and then you try to endlessly litigate it whenever you are called on it.
Here is just one example:
https://reason.com/2023/06/25/gadgets-and-gizmos-that-inspired-adam-smith/?comments=true#comment-10125727
where you attempt to shift the goalpost to "who's smarter", to "who will win an opinion poll on the topic of who's smarter". you know they are not the same, which is why you proposed it. because you wanted a rigged measure of you and your buddies to decide the outcome. It's dishonest and you know it and of course you will never admit it and you are going to now try to endlessly weasel out of it (or just run away from it, one of the two).
Don’t sexually assault, don’t maim and don’t kill people who can’t or won’t consent. Do no harm. Quit pretending there’s more to it than that.
Those are all covered by the NAP. But you know that. Now let's talk about drag queen story hour, or drag queen "family friendly" events in public places. Should the state ban them? Yes or no? If yes, then on what basis?
The state already bans lude activity and indecent exposure, especially to minors.
YOU think the NAP gives you clearance to share porn mags with little kids. That's a WIDE leap. I don't think that very many parents or guardians would share your narrowly-tailored definition of 'Aggression'.
Youre literally defending shrike in these comments showing your tribalism even after you seemingly disagree with him in his posts. Lol.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled asshole, a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Remember that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
turd is nothing other than a steaming pile of lefty shit liar who also hopes that those reading his lies are stupid enough to assume otherwise.
Stuff it up your ass, turd. No one buys your bullshit,
And you think that means she supports democrats or outfits like WEF? LOL. Parody.
Hunter tried blaming the gun tossed into a dumpster near a school on random minorities.
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Wow. After Hunter Biden lied on a federal firearm background check form (another crime for which he will likely avoid jail time) & his girlfriend/sister-in-law tossed the gun away in a dumpster by a school, he tried to blame some random Hispanics, calling them “prolly illegal:”
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/blatant-political-corruption-rot-americas-democracy-explained-under-1000-words
The more we learn about the 2020 election, the more undeniable it becomes that Biden owes his “victory” to blatant political corruption. To wit:
1) An IRS probe into the Bidens money laundering payments from hostile nations — the normal outcome of which would have ended his candidacy — was instead given a stand-down order
2) The FBI & IRS wanted to search Biden’s house in September 2020 but were given a stand down order.
3) The @FBI authenticated Hunter’s laptop a year before the NYPost first reported on its contents
4) Rather than use the laptop’s voluminous documentation of myriad felonies to initiate criminal investigations, the FBI hatched a plot to warn social media companies of an imminent “hack & leak” operation of what they heavily suggested was Russian disinformation
5) The FBI used its 2016 Russia collusion probe — which the Durham probe has since proven was essentially an extension of the Clinton campaign — to rationalize its meddling in the 2020 election.
6) The FBI also conducted an influence operation with various reporters at major newspapers to convince them that forthcoming damaging reporting about Biden that they knew was true was in fact not
7) The FBI was spying on Giuliani when he shared the laptop’s contents with the NYPost
8) When the FBI told Twitter & Facebook a Russian disinformation campaign was coming, they had already concluded Russia wasn’t trying to game the election
9) In their attempt to corroborate their own rumor of Russian electoral influence, the FBI became aggressive with its demands for user data from Twitter, eventually getting shutdown for seeking users’ private info without a warrant
10) Nonetheless, in the preceding years, the FBI established a beachhead inside Twitter, with an operations center of former agents who communicated via their own dedicated slack channel. These ex-agents included Jim Baker, the FBI’s former top counsel who played a central role in the FBI’s Trump/Russia scam, as well as Comey’s former chief of staff, Dawn Burton, who started the FBI’s Russia collusion probe.
11) The CIA, in collusion with the Biden campaign, seeded disinformation claiming the laptop was itself Russian disinformation. The major media used this as a pretext to avoid reporting on its contents and instead attack those who were.
12) The FBI also arranged a meeting with Sens. Grassley & Johnson about supposed Russian disinformation & Hunter Biden.
13) The FBI then used this briefing with the senators to justify quashing their own agents’ probe into the Bidens’ corruption.
14) When the story broke mere weeks before the election — one that polling later indicated would have altered enough Democrat votes to send Trump to a second term — Twitter & Facebook orchestrated an unprecedented & anti-democratic mass censorship campaign.
15) When Twitter initially resisted censoring the story, it was Jim Baker who convinced them to do so (despite the FBI having known for a year the informartion was true).
16) In December 2020, after the operation’s success and Biden’s “victory,” the FBI agents working at & with Twitter celebrated the outcome.
17) The FBI subsequently paid Twitter $3.5 million for the staff hours expended on their influence operations.
18) At the time Trump was being impeached for asking Ukraine to investigate Biden’s alleged corruption in Ukraine, the FBI & IRS already knew the Bidens had indeed laundered more than $10 million from Burisma, via fake companies and dozens of bank accounts, while at the same time VP Biden had used U.S. aid as leverage in getting the Ukrainian prosecutor investigating Burisma fired.
P.S. And that’s to say nothing of Democrats orchestrating a state-by-state campaign to change voting rules to enable the widespread adoption of voting boxes … Left-wing activist groups, funded in part by Facebook, facilitated the exploitation of these drop-off boxes on behalf of the Democratic Party. That part may not have been illegal since they simply changed the rules, but it’s especially shady since it was done alongside federal health agencies then-knowingly overstating the threat of Covid, which was used as the rationale for the change of rules in the first place.
P.P.S. And this is just what we know despite the feds’ best efforts. Imagine how much we don’t.
The more you read zerohedge the more your mental spirochaetes multiply
What did it say that wasn't actually true?
See reply to Arizona Fats below
Who?
You didn’t answer the question there either, gov’na shrike.
I did. Hitchen's Razor"
Except there’s a lot of publicly known evidence shrike. You’re like a child with it’s eyes closed and hands over it’s ears screaming: Hitchen’s Razor!
Except that Hitchen's Razor is completely inapplicable here because there's shit-tons of evidence for every one of those points.
Which brings us back to the question that you're trying not to answer: Which points are you claiming aren’t supported by evidence?
Which point was incorrect shrike?
Still not shrike, you lying fuckwit.
Which points were supported by evidence?
Hitchen's Razor.
Now fuck off.
"Which points were supported by evidence?"
All of them. Some of them by quite a lot.
Which points are you saying aren't supported by evidence?
All of them for the most parts. The links have been posted here for months at this point. Which one do you want shrike?
All of them.
You want me to post 14 or so links that have been previously given to you already? Choose one shrike. Find the one that it is a lie. Challenge me.
As you're a liar, no reason to believe what you're saying.
Everything in the link is factually correct and the evidence is in the public domain. That you think facts cause mental illness explains why you never bother to cite them.
You assert, so you provide the evidence.
The you read SRG, the more you realize he’s just another Shrike sock.
That merely demonstrates your functional illiteracy - only a functional illiterate is so unable to distinguish radically different writing styles, content, etc. But what else would one expect? Even that paranoid Canadian fuckwit MoLa, having had at least some glimmerings of a decent education, has managed that easy feat.
Gov’na shrike doesn’t know what “functional illiterate” means.
What counts as functional illiteracy depends on the standards of the assessor. You'd find it harder to recognise than me, evidently.
Let's see, SRG:
1. Same talking points.
2. A constant use of "cracker". (Honestly, what Brit uses "cracker"?)
3. A distinct hatred for Zerohedge, also shown by Shrike.
1. Not always the same talking points - often enough similar, though after all you righties have the same talking points yourselves
2. I don't see the real chap using cracker that often, but it's an appropriate insult.
3. We're not the only ones who don't like pro-Russian paranoid sources - though I think I've expressed my distaste for zerohedge about...once. Again, all you righties express the same distaste for pretty much any MSM so that proves nothing.
Meanwhile, our writing styles are hugely different - which is unsurprising given that I'm British and was educated accordingly - and our knowledge base is also evidently different, Indeed, every argument you and other righties have cited for the idiotic claim that I'm a sock can be used to show that all of you are actually a single poster - and there's far less divergence of writing style, with the usual impoverished vocabulary that marks out seppos from the rest of the English-speaking world.
I note that I have provided documentary evidence of my background here already, including UK passport and college matriculation photo. Possibly you missed it.
Looks more like an insurrectionist coup, than any unarmed buffalo-horned rednecks 'parading', to me.
People didn't vote for Biden. They voted against Trump. I seriously doubt the antics of Biden's son would have changed their minds about Trump.
Here's Sarcasmic, CNN-level informed to tell us it's only about Hunter.
No, that would be Team Red, who told us for months and months that if Twitter hadn't "suppressed" the HUNTER BIDEN PENIS story, that Biden would have been defeated in the election.
There are indeed polls out there showing that at least a few percentages would have changed. Given that we aren't a direct democracy, that would have changed the outcome.
Oh I know. Those polls are meaningless, and your team knows that. They are meaningless because a poll is supposed to measure the state of mind of the electorate at a certain point in time. Asking people what they *would have done* in the past is meaningless because it is fundamentally unknowable.
By this logic, all studies of the past are meaningless.
No, predicting what people would have done is meaningless.
Only if you rejected the premise that there is nothing to learn from the past.
I reject the premise that you have the magical ability to read the minds of people in the past and predict what they would have done, not that there are things to learn from the past.
So regret doesn't exist?
Regret is personal, not reading the minds of others.
I don't have to read minds, I can just look at what people offer up, of their own accord, and make the determination that, yeah, things would have been different.
As an example, let's ask the commenters here if they regret voting for either McCain or Romney.
Again, you don't know. And frankly I'm not sure that they know either. Is their current change of mind based upon the Hunter story, or the coverup? If it wasn't covered up then who knows what they would have done. I certainly don't. I would never presume to know.
Sarc, the pollsters fucking asked people. They didn't make up random numbers you fucking retard.
This is so pathetic sarc.
No, of course studies of the past can be meaningful. But one must be careful about the conclusions that one draws.
I repeat: a poll is ostensibly a measurement of the state of mind of the electorate *at a certain point in time*. It represents the conclusions of the electorate based on their information and judgment AT THAT TIME. At some later point in time, individuals obtain new information, form new opinions and create new judgments. It is impossible to know what a person *would have done* in the past with knowledge obtained in the present, because that person didn't have that present-day knowledge in the past and we cannot know how that person would have incorporated that knowledge into that past self's knowledge base absent any other confounding factors. It's basically asking about alternate timeline stuff. Who knows.
For example: All of these voters who say they would have changed their votes had they known about the Hunter Biden story, this poll ASSUMES that, in the past, if Twitter hadn't done anything about the story in the first place, that these voters would have even been aware of the story or read about it or even considered it enough AT THE TIME to have changed their mind. Let's be honest, the story got a lot more attention *because* of Twitter's temporary suspension of the story than it would have otherwise.
How many of these voters who were polled, were only made aware of the Hunter Biden story *because they were polled about the possibility of changing their votes*? If that is the case, then of course if we did have a magical time machine and went back in time and Twitter did nothing to suppress the story, then those very same voters wouldn't have changed their minds anyway because they were unaware of the story in the first place.
The coverup is always worse than the crime.
Let’s be honest, the story got a lot more attention *because* of Twitter’s temporary suspension of the story than it would have otherwise.
That’s what I’m saying. Is their current regret based upon the story itself, or it being covered up? We (and they) will never know.
Is the IC hiding information pertinent to an election for team blue while generating false information against team red pertinent jeff?
I agree with jeff. You can't know for sure if that's true. Especially because Biden is a dipshit and everyone knows it. I can't imagine anyone supporting the guy. The people who voted for him were anti-Trump or pro-Democrat. Nobody is pro-Biden.
"I agree with jeff."
Well of course you do.
But he has no team.
Instead you both choose to dismiss it and all the evidence because government interference in elections is fine. Truly a libertarian take.
Are you referring to the poll by Tipp Insights, a right-biased polling firm?
If not, what poll(s) are you referring to?
You've been given multiple polls multiple times sea lion.
Sarc, this is an ad hominem by Mike.
Studies back it up jeff. I love how you and sarc just straight ignore democratic gift, government influencing elections, etc etc because you dislike someone. I mean look at you claim it was all about a penis. Lol.
Good work pedo.
The fact that you played this tired ass shrike line reflects really poorly on you.
It is mocking how you all vastly overstated the importance of this laptop (and still do to this day).
By the way, has Matt Taibbi ever acknowledged that in his breathless account in The Twitter Files of the Biden campaign requesting removal of tweets during the 2020 campaign, that the overwhelming majority of them were of pornographic images of Hunter's dick? And not some sinister attempt to censor opposing views? Oh, he didn't? He just left that up there? Huh.
Newsflash there, Inceljeffy, the laptop is what brought this out into the open. And apparently you're now parroting the Shrike "it's all about the dick pics" crappola while conveniently ignoring the quid pro quo recorded and verified there.
Holy shit, you doubled down on it?
AND you collectivized in the same post?
That’s a bold position, but I respect you having the balls to stake it out.
Keep up the blind faith in institutions sarc. What every one true libertarian believes.
You know how you cry there were never any facts until you change your own mind? This is an example of you dismissing those facts.
Especially since Trump has a few kids of questionable ethical character of his own.
Such as? Which of them got millions from foreign governments off of the presidents name?
Sarc, this is an actual form of tu Quogue. One from a bald assertion even.
Cite?
LOL, seriously? The only one who seems to have any kind of closed-door dealings is Ivanka, and that's because Trump trusted her on the business side more than any of his other kids. And even then, she's tied up with her husband's influence in the administration.
Don Jr. and Eric don't really seem to do anything other than post on Twitter, while Tiffany is living off the radar and Barron is still a teenager who apparently keeps to himself.
So I guess we are now accepting on faith whatever whistleblowers say?
They are named. They have provided documents. They have named other witnesses.
But keep pretending this is anonymous sources jeff.
By God the leftist morons are spinning hard today.
This is opposite of the Ukraine phone call that showed the opposite of claims once released shit weasel. The ones democrats wouldn't name and social media would ban users from posting.
Nobody can continue to spin obvious wrongdoing like Jeff without being paid. Even cultists would notice the disconnect eventually and start to have questions, but not Jeff.
Sarc, shrike (both socks), and Mike are doing pretty well too.
I don’t call him Lying Jeffy for nothing.
I note not even a hint of skepticism of the claims by this whistleblower. They may be entirely correct, or they may not be. At this point all we have to go by are his claims.
The only cultists are the ones who say "trust the whistleblower!" when they say things critical of the other tribe, but "trash the whistleblower!" when they say things critical of one's own tribe. That would be you and Jesse and the rest of the team cultists.
Oh look, it's inceljeff retarded misogynist thinking he's smart again.
chemtard radical deathfat is skeptical of claims when they might benefit right-wing narratives. That's because he's a anti-right tribalist.
"For the first time, S.F. Pride will request donations from parade spectators"
[...]
"Attendance at San Francisco Pride’s main event — Sunday’s parade down Market Street, with hundreds of thousands of people expected to line the route — has always been, and will continue to be, free.
But for the first time in the parade’s 53-year history, organizers will request donations from spectators this year, as Pride faces an uncertain financial future due in large part to the economic aftermath of the pandemic and high inflation costs.
“We had over half a million dollars in our reserve account, and then the pandemic happened,” said Suzanne Ford, executive director of Pride..."
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/san-francisco-pride-donation-18164619.php
First, it wasn't the "pandemic", it was that jackoff Newsom's lockdown which knee-capped the economy, and then droolin' Joe's economic 'plans gave us raging inflation.
So my question is: Who did you vote for?
If it's those I bet you did, my donation is a rousing Bronx cheer.
Pay your tithe to the new faith, peasants.
It costs a lot of money to hose crap off of the parade route.
I know she doesn't mean it that way, but...
Althouse: "Now we see that only armed people can resist the dictatorship."
"If you see the strength in yourself in the future to become those armed people who will oppose Putin or Prigozhin, then it’s time to arm yourself." - Russian businessman, Mikhail B. Khodorkovsky, quoted in the NYT.
From the comments:
"I thought that all it took was some buffalo hats."
"If only Putin had Biden's F-15's he could put down these upstarts."
The whole episode is a picture perfect example of why neo-con FP is so terrible. Excuses for it's failures, and worthless successes.
https://twitter.com/martyrmade/status/1672961329295167488?t=l7lremZ7PzA0_drME1L0uA&s=19
“Our resolve…” These people really believe they’re on some personal hero quest by tweeting about a foreign war. The last line reminds: “Democrats don’t have foreign enemies, they have foreigners who remind them of domestic enemies.”
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https://twitter.com/Babygravy9/status/1672982985048735745?t=_NqOTv-4IB8ruZvh9D0eXA&s=19
Daily reminder that however much you hate journalists, it really isn't enough.
[Link- "The shackles of ignorance: why rejecting experts is the new form of slavery"]
https://twitter.com/mazemoore/status/1672775925669273601?t=KaSRTjquPqontXGt6addpA&s=19
BREAKING: Putin gives rambling speech declaring Ultra-Wagner Russians a threat to Democracy. They will be jailed indefinitely without due process.
Putin also plans to have the head of his opposition investigated with the hopes of preventing him from running in the upcoming election.
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Okay, that was pretty funny.
Real Putin or Bee Putin?
https://twitter.com/CovfefeAnon/status/1673011420680667136?t=eMfq42iZ-tbYzm2udLu8sA&s=19
???? in the replies that gets right at the heart of the problem of "democracy"
Person A & B are equally capable people, person A spends his work week doing socially needed things, person B spends his work week taking over the organization person A works for - who wins?
It is indeed a problem for every form of government and the most important thing about each form is how well it deals with this problem.
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https://twitter.com/VDAREJamesK/status/1672984624882937857?t=pc3CZMIr_rS8hSpsm2yEBQ&s=19
You will live to see the Supreme Court rule that free speech online violates the First Amendment, but the government seizing kids to trans them does not.
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https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1673028212383789058?t=FEhdPZiUlVtXv33MZqWFmw&s=19
SHOCK: Hunter Biden’s Ukrainian-funded firm provided Joe Biden with a secret global phone while he served as vice president. The phone was used to send and receive messages and calls from China, Russia, & Ukraine. Congress MUST subpoena the records.
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All dick pics per jeff.
And Shrike. Shrike claims it’s all about the dick pics damn near every fucking day.
See if you can pick mizek out in the pictures!
Nazis wave swastika flags outside Georgia synagogue
And half the comments are "hate speech isn't free speech". Fucking Brits.
I saw this this morning.
I'm not sure if they are a Westboro Baptist sort of deal, or just actors pretending to make others look bad, but the comments there show it works either way. Best rated is all about how scary America is, like this is a normal thing.
Westboro Baptist were actors pretending to make others look bad.
A civil rights lawyer and his Al Gore electoral college representative son with no religious inclinations, suddenly decide start a church composed primarily of immediate family members.
Their only activity is to protest gay marriage in the worst possible way by showing up, not at Pride parades and bathhouses, but the funerals of straight soldiers and cops, while saying they deserved it because gays exist.
Then, the moment gay marriage is legally recognized, instead of redoubling their rhetoric, they disappear.
Totally a real group.
Yeah, That's what I mean. WB was a group for a very specific purpose, which included being able to lambaste poltiical enemies (who have nothing to so with them).
But are these "nazi" people a real group, or are they just a one off? Like when you get FBI frat bros pretending to be protesters. Or when you get some rando painting graffiti against some group and it turns out the graffitiist is a member of that group.
I realize it's a subtle difference, but one's a persistent bunch, the other is... Juicey Smoliet.
I went and looked it up. Goyim Defense League. They are definitely a Westboro Baptist deal.
Their shtick is to do exactly this. A handful of people doing what looks like a complete parody of a nazi group, like they learned what it is from the Illinois Nazis in the Blues Brothers.
The few sites I looked at to see how many people were actually in the GDL had no numbers. Just the typical SPLC handwringing as though it was the beginning of a new and vast movement promoting Nazi ideals, but I’m guessing I’ll make a larger movement in the toilet when I wake up tomorrow morning. The folks pictured in the Mail article are probably the whole group.
A real and very stupid group, whose Daughter has escaped and warned others of the danger and lure of fanaticism.
She didn't "escape" anything. She just didn't want to be a villain for the greater good anymore.
Of course there's many real religious groups who are very anti-gay, but Westboro wasn't one of them.
Wow, they actually look like neo-Nazis and not LARPing FBI agents for a change. I always imagined Misek would have a face tattoo.
Give the Brits a break. The white half of their genetic stock derives from those who wanted to be subjects of retarded medieval royalty. The brown half of their genetic stock derives from those who want to be subjects of a retarded medieval religion.
When they say it, believe it.
Drag marchers spark outrage with ‘we’re coming for your children’ chant at NYC Pride event
It's kind of a great troll.
Except, well, this isn't the fucking internet. They're probably damaging gay acceptance more than anything.
But trollingwise it certainly is the sort of thing to get folks' panties in a bunch... or some non-drag equivalent of that phrase.
But they are coming for your children
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