Is TikTok Really To Blame for Titanic Conspiracy Theories?
The New York Times tries to blame social media for conspiracy theories that have been around for decades. Don't fall for it.

The Titanic never actually sank. Or maybe it did, but not because of an accidental run-in with an iceberg. It was really a dastardly plot by Irish Catholics, or perhaps banker J.P. Morgan or an Egyptian mummy's curse is to blame.
Those—and plenty more—wild conspiracy theories about the disaster that unfolded in the North Atlantic during the early morning hours of April 15, 1912, have been circulating for years, with some starting almost immediately after the Titanic reached the ocean floor.
But now they're also spreading on TikTok, and The New York Times seems convinced that the social media app is a uniquely dangerous place for kids to encounter ideas that they might otherwise have to find in books, in movies, or elsewhere on the internet.
On TikTok, "musty rumors merge with fresh misinformation and manipulated content—a demonstration of TikTok's potent ability to seed historical revisionism about even the most deeply studied cases," the Times' Tiffany Hsu and Sapna Maheshwari declare in a piece about the video site's "Titanic Truthers."
But the story's dramatic framing and its specific targeting of TikTok seem at odds with reality—a problem for any article, but especially one that's supposed to be combating misinformation. Indeed, near the bottom of the piece, Hsu and Maheshwari admit that these TikToks are "just the latest recycling bin for false narratives about the Titanic."
Is there something uniquely dangerous about the way these ideas spread via TikTok? I asked Joseph Uscinski, a political scientist at the University of Miami who has written extensively about conspiracy theories (including in the pages of Reason), whether this is a worrying development.
"No, we should not be worried," says Uscinski. "The ability of social media to turn people into conspiracy theorists is vastly overrated, largely because people don't believe everything they hear and see, and oftentimes, the things they hear and see are things that they sought out purposely because those things match their preexisting beliefs."
If TikTok—or social media in general, or even the internet as a whole—was causing people to believe in more conspiracy theories, researchers would be able to see that trend. Instead, surveys by Uscinski and others have found that, at the mass level, conspiracy theory beliefs tend to be stable over time.
Instead of acknowledging that, the Times article offers a misleading statistic to suggest that social media is rotting kids' brains. Citing research from the Reboot Foundation, Hsu and Maheshwari note that 17 percent of "young Americans who use TikTok for more than an hour a day" were unable to "say definitively that the Earth is round."
That, of course, doesn't mean they ascribe to the silly "flat Earth" theory, just that they don't have a definitive take on the subject—or that they were trolling the pollster. At any rate, the statistic is useless without knowing how many Americans who aren't young and don't use TikTok more than an hour a day might hold similar views. The Times story doesn't provide that context, and neither does the underlying Reboot Foundation report—though the report does say that social media is "probably not" making young people less intelligent.
But here's a 2022 survey conducted by the University of New Hampshire's school of public policy that found 19 percent of American adults either believed the Earth was flat or were unsure about it. Could it be that young TikTok users are actually more well-informed than the general public?
Maybe not. Uscinski thinks the New Hampshire survey might be flawed, too: The question's wording was a bit confusing, which might have led to a higher number of "not sure" responses. Either way, we're talking about fewer than one in five people—and we're talking about a longstanding element of American life.
"There always seems to be a tendency to blame new technologies and forms of communication for longstanding social ills, partially because there is a tendency for people to see the past with rosy hindsight," Uscinski tells Reason. "So when people tell me that conspiracy theory beliefs are worse now than ever before, I usually ask if they are worse now than during the Salem Witch Trials, or the Red Scare?"
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The NYT is not a newspaper; it is entirely a leftist Op-Ed publication.
So is Reason.
It's pretty amazing how Reason has conspicuously avoided some rather huge stories.
I'm curious- what was the most significant topic, they covered this week?
Being wrong about some things equals being wrong about everything.
But, Sarc, what if they’re more wrong than right? At some point, the wrong starts to outweigh the right. As for the NYT, we can go back to at least Walter Duranty for wrong.
Like sarc, they’ll just move on with their next lie, while whining that they’re being persecuted.
There's a difference between news and opinion.
How much is there when news can be and is infused with opinion?
I can say the following headlines for news in different ways:
"Representative Jane Doe (R-IL) charged with soliciting bribes."
"Republican Jane Doe of Illinois charged with soliciting bribes."
"Far-Right Jane Doe (R-IL) charged with soliciting bribes."
Same person, three ways to say it, but each is infused with connotation.
I figured this out forty years ago when I realized every news article in my local paper was also an editorial.
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Some oldies but goodies:
1. Iraq has WMDs Chaney told us so.
2. No famine in Ukraine all is well comrade
3. Devil Weed will make you lose your mind and you'll start listening to jazz.
You sure about that last one? I've seen some suspicious timings around the onset of jazz listening.
A batting average of .333 is plenty good enough for The Hall Of Fame
Yep, THAT NYT.
Really?
You ask us to choose between believing the New York Times or tik tok?
Both are a great place to find horrifically inaccurate information. Our kid comes to us asking for something and claims to have done a bunch of research about the problem/product. Basically all of that information came from tiktok and was laughably wrong.
The difference is that even though I'm sure tiktok does a fair amount of political censorship it is still nowhere near the one-sided propaganda and coordinated lies of NYT.
I'll grant that social media incentivizes people to spread all sorts of lies, conspiracies, and false information but the danger of a ton of random voices is nowhere near the level of the controlled version
Look, let's all calm down here. I think it's fair to say that if we can rightly blame the New York Times for aiding and abetting the starvation of millions in Ukraine during the 1930s, we can say that some malinformation might have come from some Tik Tok users.
NYT is just butt hurt they can't be the gatekeeper of misinformation anymore. If anyone can lie this easily - are we still special?
Right, both sides.
Speaking of conspiracy theories, the U.S. Navy apparently heard the Titan implode right at the moment it lost communication, but kept mum because it's sonar shit is super-secret, so apparently the "search" for the missing sub could have been avoided.
Well, let me be clear, "the search and nail-biting hope for survivors" could have been avoided. It would have been a "debris field" search from the get-go.
The search still would have been done. If nothing else, they had an unplanned dress rehearsal for whatever catastrophe might occur in the future.
To be fair, all the naysayers making fun of the Playstation controller-driven technology can go pound sand. All his space-age hull technology is what failed. Proof he should have just welded some tubing from Home Depot together. Don’t dazzle me with all your space-agey carbon fiber wrapped epoxy crap.
The search still would have been done.
And not to nitpick, but to nitpick, that was literally my point. It would have been a debris field search from day one. Not a week of "their oxygen is running out" articles.
There's a reason neither the navy nor the administration said anything, and it has to do with a bunch of HUGE stories Reason hasn't covered.
Like the Biden crime family?
Or, for the more conspiracy minded, they waited until there was some juicy news on the Hunter front to distract people from.
The Titanic was sunk by Democrats and a corrupt Department of Justice. Everyone knows that.
Read the article: The sub was sunk by the very same mechanisms that got Donald Trump elected in 2016.
Shorter New York Times: You know what else Tik Tok is responsible for?
You know what else Tik Tok is responsible for?
Failed Austrian painters?
So the art thing didn't work out and he tried something else. Shouldn't we *encourage* people to seek other opportunities?
Well, the iceberg had changed its name from Eisenberg, so it was probably linked to Soros.
It was linked to a nazi war criminal?
They would have blamed Rasputin if the iceberg sank.
And you say nothing about the awful anti-Semitic persecution of Harvey Weinstein!
Icy what you did there. Icy it!
It's been scientifically proven that the Titanic never existed.
/Some idiot.
"I think your sub technology is questionable"
"Submarine Denier! Submarine Denier!"
Poor pitiful sarc.
What the NYT doesn’t “get” is that a lot of these crazy “conspiracy theories” are pushed by people who don’t believe them, but push them to see if they’ll go viral, then picked up by other people who also don’t believe them, and push them further to see if they’ll go viral-er, and then maybe a few people around the edges might actually believe them. Unfortunately, it’s impossible to tell.
The issue here isn’t that The New York Times is mad at Tik Tok, they’re mad at YOU, Tik Tok is just your megaphone.
What the NYT doesn’t “get” is that a lot of these crazy “conspiracy theories” are pushed by people who don’t believe them...
Like Tucker Carlson's "conspiracy theories" about voting machines? Oh, I forgot. That one is true. The fact that there is no evidence only proves that everyone is in on it.
Huh?
First of all, Tucker Carlson wasn't all that on-board with the idea that voting machines were compromised.
Secondly, as a mathematician who's spent a decade or so helping to develop software, the fact that voting is being done on a computer inherently makes it insecure. You cannot trust the results. You can't trust the results even if you could review the source code.
It's entirely possible to change the source code of a compiler for a language, change the binary of that compiler to do whatever you want it to do, including keeping the changes once the source code is changed back ... and there will be almost no indication that this happened, because no one checks the binaries. Very few people can.
There are techniques to detect when this has happened, but I have yet to see any evidence that aynone uses these techniques anywhere.
And this is a fundamental flaw, inherent in computer programming itself. There are so many bugs and vulnerabilities in our code, it's ridiculous to trust voting machines with something as important as our votes!
Yeah, I think a lot of the online conspiracy theory stuff is mostly people having a laugh. Conspiracy theories are kind of fun.
Flat earth stuff is probably the most extreme example. There are probably like 100 people that actually believe it and a million people who are just keeping the joke going.
I met a woman from Texas who told me the earth was flat. I honestly thought he was just trolling me until I made some snarky comments about it and pissed her off.
It was a bit surreal.
The flat earth society usually has an annual convention in Denver. Members come from around the globe.
Ahem - from around the *pancake*!
I don’t know Flat Eartherism from a hole in the ground, but I know for sure that birds aren’t real. Also, mechanical sharks are completely fictional.
I checked out the flat earth youtubes. Their source material for their arguments comes from books published 100 years or so ago. Since then science has contributed nothing to their hypothesis. Similar to the hollow earth belief. A good conspiracy theory in their day, but it doesn't date well. A good conspiracy theory needs more credibility, it also spreads its tendrils. Let the flat earth theory die on the vine.
"There always seems to be a tendency to blame new technologies and forms of communication for longstanding social ills,"
New technologies - new ways to be stupid.
it's almost as if the intelligence community dislikes china and wants to censor the internet
I wonder which fascist country will win?
They will get what they want through management and manipulation. Censorship is a blunt instrument. Better to inculcate self censorship in the masses, who will maintain their belief in freedom, democracy, constitution and the rest of the list.
https://twitter.com/8x33K/status/1672093683682869249?t=yT6MzGobfxAxniUQ3_vkog&s=19
The year before the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 we were such a technologically advanced civilization the General Mills cereal company's electronics division built the submarine that actually made it to the Titanic.
https://twitter.com/malmesburyman/status/1672263682829565955?t=h_7bcx2f0t4IXvcu79N_Rg&s=19
First I’m hearing of this. I recall that every little intricate step of the impeachment process for the previous President was blasted into our consciousness nonstop.
"BREAKING: Resolution to impeach Joe Biden passes House floor, moves to Judiciary and Homeland Security Committees"
"I recall that every little intricate step of the impeachment process for the previous President was blasted into our consciousness nonstop.”
Just to be clear, they were doing that before he even took office.
I blame the Charleston and the "talkies" the kids are into these days.
[S]urveys by Uscinski and others have found that, at the mass level, conspiracy theory beliefs tend to be stable over time.
If anything, social media has been a force for truth, taking away the monolithic platform the NYT has been abusing for decades to perpetuate its brand of reality. The paper that brought the world fabulists like Jayson Blair and Walter Duranty and hundreds of others never caught, has no business lecturing anyone on conspiracy theories
Before the Internet and Social Media, we got all the conspiracy theories from Art Bell's radio show. Millions listened and a certain number of people believed in some of the theories, or at least a part of them here and there. Same as now with Tik Tok. I work with young people a lot; overall I think children are less likely to believe in and fall for conspiracies than older folk.
The term “conspiracy theory “ has become a joke.
What’s the difference between Bill Clinton and the Titanic?
Oops, sorry, that's not a conspiracy theory, it’s the set-up to a ghoulish dirty joke from the Nineties.
"the story's dramatic framing and its specific targeting of TikTok seem at odds with reality." That's an understatement. Also, conspiracy theories are not driven by supply, as The Times assumes. They are driven by demand. Conspiracy theories circulated widely in the 60s and 70s when there was no internet and when The Times and a few TV networks had a lock on the news. With less supply conspiracy theories did just fine. Fighting conspiracy theories by trying to plug the supply is a silly mistake. People seek explanations. It's part of our nature. If you plug one route to disseminate them people will spread them anyway or just invent their own. The Times is acting on unexamined assumptions.
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I'm sold on the Titanic insurance fraud explanation myself. But what kind of threat is it to society if people get the wrong idea about this century-old news?
Thank you! No one knows the history of the Olympic. I have yet to hear a coherent version of what happened to the Olympic's damaged driveshaft. There is no counter-narrative to the conspiracy.