Hunter Biden's Prison-Free Plea Should Be Available to Everybody
If it's not a sweetheart deal, everyone else deserves the same leniency.

If, as expected, Hunter Biden's plea deal on tax and firearms charges keeps him out of prison, it would be a remarkable display of leniency. While nobody should go to prison for failing to give the government a cut of the take or for nonviolently owning a weapon in defiance of some rule, many people do go to jail when they're not politically connected. It's enough to make a suspicious person wonder if the deal was meant to give the appearance that justice was done to divert attention from more serious matters. It's also a hint of the restraint prosecutors exercise for the powerful, and which the rest of us would appreciate.
"The United States Attorney for the District of Delaware filed charges today against Robert Hunter Biden ('Hunter Biden') of Los Angeles," the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Delaware announced Tuesday. "Hunter Biden has been charged with two misdemeanor tax offenses and a felony firearm offense and has agreed to enter a plea of guilty to the tax offenses and enter into a pre-trial diversion agreement with regard to the firearm charge at a proceeding to be scheduled by the assigned United States District Court judge."
Strictly speaking, the plea still has to be approved by a judge and sentencing has yet to be finalized. The announcement mentions that the two tax charges on which Hunter Biden pled guilty carry up to 12 months in prison, and the gun charge on which he entered into a pretrial diversion agreement carries up to 10 years in prison. But he's expected to escape time behind bars.
No Prison Time
"A U.S. attorney appointed by President Donald Trump, David Weiss, negotiated the proposed plea deal, announced Tuesday, that should keep President Biden's son Hunter out of prison," The Washington Post's editorial board noted on its way to praising the arrangement.
"Though President Biden had earlier insisted that his son had 'done nothing wrong,' members of Biden's inner circle took great comfort in knowing that, with a guilty plea, Hunter likely would not serve prison time," Politico reported of White House reaction.
I agree with the president that his son did "nothing wrong" in this case. His actions were stupid and self-destructive with regard to the heavy crack use he lied about on his way to the gun charge, yes, but he did nothing wrong. I'd be happy to live in a world where nobody faced prison time for failing to give the government a piece of their income, or for owning weapons while also using intoxicants of their choice. However, that's not the world that Joe Biden is working to create.
Would Tough-On-Crime Joe Biden Approve?
"I just signed a law to reduce the deficit by $114 billion by cracking down on wealthy tax cheats," President Biden boasted during the 2023 State of the Union address. "Wealthy tax cheat" might be a fair characterization of Hunter, who admitted to failing to pay taxes on "taxable income in excess of $1,500,000 annually in calendar years 2017 and 2018" according to the U.S. Attorney's office. The younger Biden benefited from the sort of deal his father frowns upon for everybody else.
Likewise, as vice president in the Obama administration, Joe Biden was tasked with developing gun control policies. His team's proposals were published in January 2013 and included increased "prosecutions of people who have been convicted of a felony and illegally seek to obtain a firearm, or people who attempt to evade the background check system by providing false information." That also runs up against the reality that the younger Biden lied on his federal 4473 form about his drug use, and as a result "possessed a firearm despite knowing he was an unlawful user of and addicted to a controlled substance" in the words of the U.S. Attorney's office.
Tough On Crime, Until…
In keeping with all things tax-related, there's little consistency by which to assess Biden's tax deal. "Two former IRS lawyers said Biden's deal is not an outlier," according to Politico. "Two other former tax officials told POLITICO that Biden could have faced stiffer charges." Prosecutors are "typically heavy-handed when it comes to any form of taxes," former prosecutor Arthur Aidala told Business Insider. "This whole thing is not being handled the way a case would typically be handled."
Strictly speaking, while lying on background check forms is rarely prosecuted, the federal government is merciless on prohibited categories of people possessing firearms. In 2020, the United States Sentencing Commission reported that "96.7% of felon in possession of a firearm offenders were sentenced to prison" with an average sentence of 62 months. While Hunter wasn't a convicted felon (though his taste for crack might have gained him that status under his drug-warrior father's preferred policies) he was a prohibited person; he and the White House are undoubtedly pleased to escape serious time behind bars.
In truth, Joe Biden wouldn't be the only tough-on-crime blowhard to flinch from the personal impact of draconian policies. His predecessor as addled White House dweller, Donald Trump, boasted just days ago to Fox News anchor Bret Baier about commuting the sentence of nonviolent drug offender Alice Johnson, only to be reminded by Baier that "she'd be killed under your plan" to execute drug dealers. Politicians love harsh sentencing, until it affects their families, friends, or approval ratings.
Bigger Issues
Republicans consider the plea arrangement a "sweetheart deal" and there's reason to believe that Hunter Biden's name and connections resulted in a lot more slack than the average American could expect for evading taxes and breaking gun laws. There's also reason to suspect some sleight of hand.
"He will plead to a couple of misdemeanors on tax violations without addressing how he actually made this money," George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley wrote of Hunter Biden's deal, which he sees as crafted to distract from other crimes. "The gun charge looks like a serious threat for incarceration, but it is little more than a phantom felony count under which Hunter will be allowed to go into a diversion program and ultimately negate the violation."
Even the Biden-friendly Washington Post editorial board concedes that Hunter Biden is fortunate to face the charges at hand instead of answering for a larger can of worms, including where his money came from and why. "His laptop that became public in 2020 showcased questionable behavior, including dealings with a Chinese energy company."
Republicans are investigating those dealings, looking for potential connections to the White House. Good luck to them. I'd like to see the evidence around Joe Biden, who has been dogged by rumors of corruption for years.
But instead of just awaiting the outcome of their efforts, the rest of us should demand the same mercy prosecutors showed the president's son. If we miss a tax filing or neglect to declare income, a "whoops" and a payment plan should be the most expected of us. As for the unknowable spiderweb of gun laws, their enforcement ought to be diverted right around us, as they were for Hunter Biden. Nobody should be imprisoned for these activities anyway, and clearly, leniency is on the table for the right people.
After all, if it's not a "sweetheart deal," it should be available to everybody.
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Hunter Biden's name recognition is a double-edged sword. A regular person would not have been assigned to a special prosecutor but handled by regular prosecutors and disposed of quickly with little difference in results. The governments major concern in tax cases is getting the money owed. The gun charge is a direct result of his name and his admitted drug abuse problem. The flip side is that his name along with expensive lawyers helped him cut a better plea bargain than the average or a poor person.
The matter is resolved and there is little more that Republican can get out of the matter. Hunter traded on his name but there are no laws against trading on you name. If there were many more would be in legal jeopardy.
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The doj didn't assign a special prosecutor to the bidens dumdum. The ask was rejected by Garland.
But the case was not assigned randomly ether. This was a Trump appointed veteran prosecutor.
It would help of you educated yourself in this regard. Garland provided false testimony that Weiss was in charge of all charging decisions. Yet the reports show he was blocked by US attorneys and even a political appointee in bringing charges.
https://justthenews.com/accountability/whistleblowers/holdtop-10-hunter-biden-bombshells-irs-whistleblower-testimonies
What you are doing is pushing a false narrative. You do this constantly.
He won’t stop. He will keep repeating this lie.
Got a better source? Just the News is run by someone who is famous for pushing unverified narratives.
You could say the same about the New York Times.
And WaPo, and CNN, and MSNBC, and NBC, and ABC news, and………
You get the idea.
"I was overruled during multiple meetings almost to the point that I couldn't bring it up anymore to the attorneys, and they would get visually upset with me. And I was continually being told that we had to stay covert to preserve potential evidence from the FBI side of the investigation," he continued. "So we did not end up going overt and conducting interviews until after the 2020 election on December 8th, 2020, after I continually pushed the issue at various meetings."
As a steaming pile of lefty shit, did you have a point?
While Trump appointed the prosecutor, the prosecutor was NOT chosen by Trump. He was chosen by Democrats!
"Delaware’s senators, Democrats Tom Carper and Chris Coons, said Friday that they recommended Weiss to the White House for the job."
Source: https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/2017/11/18/president-nominate-david-weiss-us-attorney-delaware/877686001/
He was recommended by Delaware's Democratic Senators, but he was then nominated by President Trump. Those Senators could do no more than recommend.
Seriously? You're going with "Well sure, Democrats were the one who picked out the dress, but it was on Trump's credit card in the end!"?
I mean, I guess it's a position...
'Deeply Unserious Person,' willfully ignorant, or painfully stupid. I'm honestly considering a combination of the 3 given m4e's history.
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Normal US Attorney for that area.
The ask was rejected by Garland
Biden got into a knife fight with Judy Garland on the set of Nosferatu. True story.
I heard all about it on Faux news and all of the Patriot knewz outlets.
Mind if you provide the link?
And correctly so. Biden is a private citizen.
This is not true, not with his interactions with the Ukrainian government on behalf of his father.
VendicarD is a steaming pile of lefty shit who shows up from time to time to prove how dishonest steaming piles of lefty shit can be.
VendicarD? Please fuck off and die.
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"A regular person would not have been assigned to a special prosecutor but handled by regular prosecutors and disposed of quickly with little difference in results."
Hunter was not dealt with by a special prosecutor. And a normal person would have gone to jail for significant time for what he did. Plenty have already been sent to jail for less than what he did.
Lying in ATF forms for buying guns tends to lead to significant penalties. Well, for ordinary folks.
M4E ignores the multiple whistleblowers coming forward with evidence the FBI and DoJ interfered with anyone actively trying to pursue this. Then again I don't expect better from one of the resident leftist twats
I am certainly willing to listen to any whistle blower if the House is willing to call them to testify under oath.
"I'll consider what people have to say, only after they say it to the correct politician." How.... Moderate of you.
I don’t see how you are getting that from what Moderation said. He is taking a reasonable position that he would like to see the whistleblower officially produced.
No, he’s pretending to take a reasonable position, but not really. You do the same thing all the time. And now you’re white knighting for your fellow lying sea lion.
Did you somehow believe this wouldn’t be called out immediately?
They already testified under oath dumdum.
Two have, I am waiting for the multiple more.
How many whistleblowers do there need to be before they count? How many did you require in order to believe in Trump's crimes?
I need enough to establish that there was something wrong going on. To date, what I have read is that people were slow walking and delaying. That not really a crime but more on the line of questioning procedures. There enough to throw out accusations, but not enough to start an indictment. With Trump there were enough witnesses to assemble that criminal actions were occurring.
what I have read is that people were slow walking and delaying. That not really a crime
But it's darned suspicious, no, considering the nature of the evidence that has come to light so far? Why do you suppose we were told that Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation when the FBI already knew it wasn't? Doesn't that seem weird to you and worth looking into?
Because it actually would be a crime if Joe Biden had been influence-peddling to foreign interests while he was VP.
There enough to throw out accusations, but not enough to start an indictment.
How much would be enough to start an indictment? Biden bragging on international TV about having squashed an anti-corruption investigation into his son's activities? His son's many, many years of somehow continuing to convince people he had pull with Joe? His son still to this day pulling in obviously laundered money through his art schemes? Evidence that Hunter was threatening his "clients" with dad's wrath with Joe literally sitting right there? All the money that Joe has made over the years that has come from no clear source?
With Trump there were enough witnesses to assemble that criminal actions were occurring.
What criminal acts, exactly? How many of these witnesses were "anonymous sources with inside knowledge?"
Recall that my original question to you was why you are so credulous regarding accusations against Trump but seem to have a pretty militant disinterest in what's come out about Biden.
"Not good enough!"
What criminal acts? Anonymous sources? How about all the people who testified at the first impeachment about President Trumps attempt to strong arm Ukraine to investigate his political rival. Those were real people. How about the people who testified at the J6 Hearing, they were real and most were Republicans. They spoke of the former President's breaking his oath to uphold the Constitution by refusing to peacefully turn over power. How about Jean Carrol and the other woman who spoke about Trumps sexual abuse were they anonymous?
You can ignore these, but draw a whole conspiracy out of someone suggesting slow walking an investigatiion.
Holy shit, M4E, you really are a partisan retard. OK, noted. I thought you occasionally had reasonable point, but now you've made it clear you just have a transceiver in your noggin to broadcast the latest pravda.
“Two” is “multiple”. You’re not doing very well even at pettifoggery.
The House Republicans now claim that they can't find their supposed whistleblower.
Serious doubt as to whether one actually existed in the first place.
You creeps deserve everything coming to you.
Well, no real crimes were committed so there is no point in persuing the matter.
You are mistaken. There's a reason Hunter is taking this plea deal.
Lying doesn't change reality, VendicarD. Stop pretending otherwise.
VendicarD is a lying pile of lefty shit. Why anyone engages the asshole is a mystery to me.
M4E is a lying pile of lefty shit. Why anyone engages the asshole is a mystery to me.
Examples: Kodak Black, Lauren Hill, Wesley Snipes all faced over 2 years for similar tax crimes. The average sentence of lying on an ATF form is 5 years.
The average sentence maybe 5 years but how many cases are actually filed? In 2019 the year Hunter purchased the gun, referral for lying on the form were 478 with just 298 cases filed. The fact is it would be almost impossible to know if a person lied. The only reason Hunter was charged is because he admitted drug use in his memoirs.
The cases where they know someone lied are filed. We know hunter lied on his form. What kind of dumbass argument is this?
But it was only 60% of the time! So it's completely reasonable that where they had a published confession, they put him in the 40%.
"eyeroll*
This is pretty sad, M4E.
After this, I never want to hear about "common sense" gun control from the left again! If you're unwilling to enforce the laws already on the books, then why the hell would any new laws be any different?
Hell, they ignored laws they had started just a year or two ago and bragged about.
Yes, he publicly admitted being guilty of a felony under federal law. But there was already plenty of evidence due to his drug fueled antics. Quit trying to twist this into some kind of witch hunt. It wasn’t.
So . . . your argument here is that he should be forgiven because he's famous? Is that a defense you're willing to also grant Trump?
If you are going to cherry pick cases for comparison you can do better than this. Pick some that are closer to Hunter's actual case. Kodak had a long criminal record. Lauren Hill did not even file returns for 5 years and she only got 3 months.
Wesley, always bet on black, Snipes?
Hunter had more than 4 years of unreported income, 2 of those years were allowed to lapse by the DoJ and US attorneys blocking Weiss from filing. He also tried to deduct expenses for hookers which is a secondary charge aside from unreported income.
This isn't even getting to the FARA violations from the unreported income. Remember Gen Flynn?
It is amazing watching you leftists make such idiotic excuses.
Hunter is guilty of far more than this. The guilty plea was to dispose of this with no real penalties.
Hunter would be guilty of FARA. Joe would be guilty of bribery. Both likely fall under RICO.
It’s almost a certainty that the Bidens (Joe, Jim, Hunter, maybe Jill) are guilty of high treason, given their betrayals of the US to the ChiComs and possibly others.
"And a normal person would have gone to jail for significant time for what he did."
Well, no... But there is nothing stopping you from fantasizing abut it.
After all, you are the king of planet mongo, at least in your own mind.
Read JesseAz’s reply above. Kodak Black, Lauren Hill, Wesley Snipes all went to jail for doing the same thing Hunter Biden did.
Lying to yourself doesn’t make facts not so. You ought to stop that.
Remember that VendicarD is a lying pile of lefty shit. Why anyone engages the asshole is a mystery to me.
There shouldn't even be ATF forms. Or a BATFE.
Must be nice being connected to such a well heeled family.
Sooner or later this is going to catch up with the Bidens, no matter how they attempt to spin it.
It would be nice if the unacknowledged grandchild was the last Biden standing.
And while nobody mentions it, I think Jill is just as corrupt as the rest of them.
If anything, she's worse. If she really loved Joe, she would have stopped him from running to enjoy his final years in peace. What she's done instead is nothing short of elder abuse.
It is possible, though I am definitely not holding my breath, that they are not done Hunter. It is possible, again unlikely IMHO, that Hunter can now be compelled to testify to Congress, no 5A protections.
So what? He can't be compelled to incriminate himself.
You be a kookie little Retardo Boy.
Have you ever heard of a subpoena? That alone will make Hunter Biden testify.
Keep in mind that VendicarD is a lying pile of lefty shit. Why anyone engages the asshole is a mystery to me.
""The gun charge is a direct result of his name and his admitted drug abuse problem. ""
None of that would have mattered if he didn't lie on the form.
“The matter is resolved”
Maybe. Tuccille didn’t mention it, but there was one vague statement from the DoJ that “the investigation is ongoing.” What the heck that means, who knows.
It'll be pursued with the same rigor that it has been thus far.
As long as the only blind person that got murdered was Justitia, I don't see a problem.
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It's complete bullshit, is what it is, and everyone knows it.
At least they used to somewhat circumspect in their corruption. Now they don't even bother.
And really, why should they? They've won, they know they've won, and they want to make sure we know they've won as well.
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Most tax delinquents didn't owe six figure sums to the IRS so simply saying that this is the normal punishment is like saying that a bank robber who gets off easy is okay because he received a similar punishment as a shoplifter. There are degrees of seriousness. Furthermore Hunter didn't just lie on the form. He and his lady friend at the time disposed of it in a garbage can near a school. Again somewhat more serious than an "oops I lied" situation.
Got both an attack on trump and a Republicans pounce in there. Earned your bonus Tucci. Nothing about the DoJ slow playing this to allow statute of limitations to hit. Nothing about the doj telling investigators to not ask about the big guy. Expected.
Prosecutor was told he could not pursue a FARA investigation, what the doj wanted after Flynn for. Despite lobbying for forcing business, it was literally what Hunter was "hired for."
This lovely wattsapp message linking Joe directly:
HUNTER BIDEN: I am sitting here with my father and we would like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled. Tell the director that I would like to resolve this now before it gets out of hand, and now means tonight. And, Z, if I get a call or text from anyone involved in this other than you, Zhang, or the chairman, I will make certain that between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction. I am sitting here waiting for the call with my father
DoJ allowing statutes to expire. DoJ saying to not investigate Biden. Willfully tax violations like declaring bookers as deductions. Money laundering by filtering transactions without income source through multiple wire transfers. Hunter business partners in meetings with Joe. Foreign nationals in meetings with Joe. Search warrant denied despite probable cause on guest house. DOJ alerting Hunters lawyers about probable cause on a storage unit.
Just total corruption. And doesn't even include the hoarding of classified information for 30 years in a garage.
And Reason writes an article as no big deal. Everyone should get this agreement.
Much different voice than what is used against Republicans in legal issues.
And Reason writes an article as no big deal. Everyone should get this agreement.
I have no doubt Joe is every bit as corrupt as you say, but I don't feel like Hunter should be punished for it. He cashed in on his situation and he's a drug addict dirt bag, not a criminal mastermind. In fact the only hope of Joe going down seems to be due to the idiocy of Hunter.
The DOJ should focus on Joe (But they won't), not make Hunter take the fall.
As for the WhatsApp quote above. Joe can easily dodge that by claiming it's a bluff from his crack addict son.
Reason talked about “hearing a paper be waived” in regard to trump. And talked about the tape. They ignore the evidence here.
But the message is backed up by meeting logs, hunter business associates discussing meetings with Joe and foreigners, and even pictures.
The DoJ went after Flynn for FARA yet ignores it here.
Hunter doesn’t need to take a fall. He is guilty of the charges the DoJ has used against opposing party members. It is a third tier if Justice. Jack Smith himself had a history of going after conservatives including losing an 8-0 case overturning one of his convictions by the USSC. Breaking the lawyer privilege of conservatives.
Hunter is guilty of multiple violations that the standard is jail time. The DoJ worked to lapse statue of limitations. He is guilty and was the front for the Biden along with James.
Saying he shouldn’t be guilty is just silly. Joe literally signed a bill in 2021 EXTENDING the sentencing for the gun charges Hunter is guilty of.
Stop defending multi tiered justice systems.
This is the opposite of Trump where prosecutors create novel theories to get him. This is the DoJ using friendly deals to get no jail time for when their standard charges are multi year.
Saying he shouldn’t be guilty is just silly. Joe literally signed a bill in 2021 EXTENDING the sentencing for the gun charges Hunter is guilty of.
Stop defending multi tiered justice systems.
I'm not saying Hunter isn't guilty. I'm saying he shouldn't take the fall for his father's corruption. No one should go to jail for the gun charge. No part of my argument is for multi tiered justice. If he's guilty of crimes not mentioned in the article, I'm not commenting on those as I spend almost no time reading about Hunter.
But Hunter is an active part of that corruption.
Leave the Trump kids alone?
But Hunter is an active part of that corruption.
That's another story. I'm only commenting on the crimes discussed here. If he's knowingly funneling bribe money to Joe, that deserves investigation/prosecution/prison.
Leave the Trump kids alone?
Yes. I am not aware of any crimes of the Trumps, although I have a feeling I'm about to get educated.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/08/dc-ag-trump-giuliani-don-jr-may-be-charged-over-capitol-siege/
The left asked to charge don Jr for speaking to a crowd on J6. This is one of many.
Then the whole Russian collusion bullshit.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/07/donald-trump-jr-s-russia-denials-are-actually-confessions.html
"The DOJ should focus on Joe (But they won’t), not make Hunter take the fall."
Hunter can 'take the fall' for his crimes; no need to assume otherwise.
Where is anybody saying that Hunter should be punished for his father's crimes?
Hunter Biden's own crimes amount to millions of dollars in illegal proceeds and numerous violations of state and federal laws, enough to earn him at least a few decades in jail.
Where is anybody saying that Hunter should be punished for his father’s crimes?
JesseAz 2 hours ago (edited)
This lovely wattsapp message linking Joe directly:
You realize that the message also shows Hunter guilty of violating FARA right?
I don't know anything about FARA, but I get your point now which I misinterpreted earlier.
That isn't punishing Joe Biden for Hunter Biden's crimes, for multiple reasons. I leave you to ponder that. You can figure it out.
Technically correct, but your condescending comment really makes me want to dig in.
Serenity now.
No evidence that Joe Biden has ever committed a crime.
This must be parody.
Sandra? Are you running another OBL on us?
How do you explain all that money for the "big guy"?
charliehall is simply a lying pile of lefty shit; you can ignore charliehall.
Hunter isn’t a criminal mastermind. He’s a criminal bagman and henchman who has been a key participant in an international influence pedaling scheme for his father as a sitting senator, vice president, and now president. Which almost certainly involves ongoing treason against the Republic.
The Biden Crime a family should all be in prison forever. At a minimum.
Whether it's a bluff or not it puts Joe in the middle of an influence peddling negotiation. You are an idiot if you think that's a defense.
Whether it’s a bluff or not it puts Joe in the middle of an influence peddling negotiation.
^
Maybe Joe Biden is completely innocent in all of this. The evidence, however, would seem to suggest otherwise, and it's striking that Joe Biden has never been so much as asked about whether or not he knew this was going on right in front of him the way it was.
Was Joe really there? We know what Joe would say. Does it even matter who was next to Hunter while he was texting on his phone? Joe will plausibly deny any knowledge of the deal and conversation.
So when a kid threatens, "My dad is going to beat up your dad," what is the dad guilty of?
Thinking that's a defense makes me the idiot?
Was Joe really there?
Maybe somebody should look into it, rather than just assuming that Joe must be innocent despite all appearances.
Yes, but who will put the bell on the cat? Make no mistake. I think Joe was involved. I just think he's got his bases covered and he's protected enough that we'll never see the damning evidence, definitely not in his lifetime.
I just think he’s got his bases covered and he’s protected enough that we’ll never see the damning evidence, definitely not in his lifetime.
But we have seen evidence. Not only have we seen evidence, but we've seen evidence that the DOJ has taken an active role in trying to prevent that evidence from coming to light.
And you can't seriously be arguing that because Biden has a political machine protecting him that we should just throw up our hands and agree to not investigate any of these people for anything?
And you can’t seriously be arguing that because Biden has a political machine protecting him that we should just throw up our hands and agree to not investigate any of these people for anything?
I am not saying we shouldn't. I'm saying we won't succeed.
we’ve seen evidence that the DOJ has taken an active role in trying to prevent that evidence from coming to light.
And this is why I say that.
Agreed that Joe will likely be in the grave before enough of this comes out to impact him. But he's not the only person involved here. Some serious housecleaning at DOJ is in order.
The sooner the people understand that the Justice Department is a willing participant in Biden family corruption, the sooner we can start having motherfuckers arrested.
By whom?
State level LEOs?
Take a close look at the flag of the Commonwealth of Virginia.
I'm not opposed to that solution, but I'm not quite sure it counts as "arrested"...
Citizen's arrest maybe?
I'm not sure if I'm envious or terrified of your levels of optimism, my friend... 😀
Good question.
I’m assuming corruption at the level of the Biden's and their friends in the DOJ would have to be prosecuted by Congress, if public opinion gets strong enough.
Can they? I mean, I really don't know. Do they have any actual arrest authority? That's pretty much an Executive Branch thing. And holding trials is Judicial Branch, which I don't think they can do without the Executive.
I'm not trying to be obstructionist or a nay-sayer, I just legitimately don't know if Legislative Branch has any ability here.
It's why I advocate for a Federal Department of Internal AFFAIRS to investigate and prosecute. Hire from state and local law enforcement, ban on being employed by any other federal agency for at least five years, base it outside of DC, annual reviews of all agents and prosecutors at the FDIA and have oversight committees ( one from the House, one from the Senate and a civilian committee as well). This bull shut will keep happening until there are serious consequences to those abusing their power.
Congress could do a mass impeachment and removal of the staff of federal agencies, as well as federal judges.
That would require intelligence, a commitment to the Constitution, and some backbone, all of which most of Congress is lacking.
It would also require 2/3rds of the Senate. Not gonna happen any time soon.
Don't think so. Congress can investigate, impeach and remove Biden. But a special counsel would be used to handle criminal proceedings which would require Garland agreeing to it. What Congress can do is present enough evidence to force Garlands hand.
However, Congress can use other powers to pressure an administration into appointing a special counsel.2 Congress can also initiate a process through which a special counsel is appointed by passing a law requesting that a three-judge panel of members of the U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington, D.C. appoint the counsel. The last time this method was used was for the appointment of Kenneth Starr to investigate President Bill Clinton.1
I looked up the word"corruption" in the dictionary and there was a picture of the Biden family as an example.
The Bidens have only wet their beaks compared to the Clintons
The Clintons are able to keep their picture out of it. The threat of assisted suicide can be a strong deterrent.
The prosecutor isn't a Biden friend; he was a Trump appointee.
You can’t say anything straight can you?
He wasn’t at a level where he was hand licked by Trump. So try again.
Since they’re arming everyone else in letter agencies, I’m tempted to say arm the GAO and give them the authority. They’re halfway trustworthy, relatively speaking. Very low bar, of course. But Can’t be worse than the IRS.
But I guess that’d go away 5 seconds after they got the power.
"After all, if it's not a "sweetheart deal," it should be available to everybody."
Even the Jan. 06 protestors?
If they did not pay all their taxes, yes.
What about the gun charge?
Oddly a bunch of innsurectionists showed up without any guns. Go figure.
SOME OF THEM HAD GUNS WITHIN JUST A FEW MILES!!!
Umm, OK. Not sure where there is any commonality between Hunter Biden’s offenses and theirs.
Of course you don’t.
Look, an arguable case of trespassing is a million times worse than accepting bribes, money laundering, tax evasion, being an unregistered foreign agent, ...
Well, you see the obvious difference. Of course they needed to be held in solitary, without bail, for a year... walking quietly where police direct you to go is an existential threat to democracy everywhere.
The J6 insurrectionists are being charged with more than trespassing and Hunter Biden has only been charged with tax evasion and lying on a gun purchase.
The J6 insurrectionists are being charged with more than trespassing and Hunter Biden has only been charged with tax evasion and lying on a gun purchase.
How is this a counterargument?
It's not. It's throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.
He wasn't charged with tax "evasion"; he was charged with willful failure to pay taxes. "The difference between an attempted evasion of payment in violation of I.R.C. § 7201 and a failure to pay a tax in violation of I.R.C. § 7203 is the existence of an affirmative act required to make out the evasion of payment offense, e.g., the concealment of assets or use of nominees."
"Obstinately refusing to pay taxes due, failure to file a tax return, or possession of the funds needed to pay the taxes, without more, merely constitute a willful failure to file returns or pay taxes and does not constitute tax evasion even though done willfully."
"If the taxpayer failed to file a tax return, an evasion case can be maintained only if the taxpayer also willfully engaged in affirmative acts to conceal or mislead."
United States v. McGill, 964 F.2d 222, 231 (3d Cir. 1992).
As I pointed out in another comment, I know dozens of people who willfully failed to pay taxes. Most cut deals with the IRS and were never prosecuted for anything. They want their money, not scalps.
That’s not what this was. And then there’s the weapon charge for lying on his FFL application. Plus the fact that the prosecutor had his hands tied investigating and charging for Hunter’s other crimes.
charliehall is full of shit.
True. Most of them are being charged with ‘parading’.
As I noted if they are charged with not paying taxes they can argue for a plea deal.
Moderation of all facts that might make you question your ideological biases and ignorant opinions? Moderation of facts that don't fit your worldview? Why are you writing comments where a large majority of the folks are concerned w/ individual liberties when you clearly and historically support policy and law that erode both? For moderation?
I doubt that many commenters here are concerned with liberty as they defend a man who tried to have himself installed as President. Why should I worry about Hunter Biden, when the former President goes on TV admits to crimes and says he was in the right. A former President who goes on deposition says that stars are allowed to sexually abuse woman and that he is a star. I don't think Hunter should get off with nothing, but this plea deal is not unreasonable.
Bingo. We even have commenters here who are accusing the Bidens of acting like Nazis when they themselves support the kind of stuff the Nazis did before they came to power -- and worse. J6 is just one example. Trump's espionage is another. The Trump Organization has already been found by a jury to have been an organized criminal enterprise.
But the MAGA slander and lie machine is out for Biden here, not Trump.
they themselves support the kind of stuff the Nazis did before they came to power
Such as?
J6 is just one example.
Actually the way the Democrats have been treating J6 is much closer to the way the Nazis behaved prior to WWII than anything anyone actually involved in J6 did (other than the government security forces who were killing protesters).
Trump’s espionage is another
What espionage? Please provide evidence of the same caliber that you're demanding for Biden.
charliehall is full of shit; keep that in mind.
I doubt that many commenters here are concerned with liberty as they defend a man who tried to have himself installed as President.
Interestingly, if you do a search of "Trump" on this thread the vast majority of the hits you'll get will be people like you working the "BUT TRUMP!!" angle. I actually didn't find a single comment that could be characterized as a defense of Trump.
Why is it, do you suppose, that you feel compelled to accuse people discussing Hunter's crimes of defending Trump when the only one bringing up Trump is you?
Oooh! Oooh! Is it disingenuous, mendacious cuntery?
You amd your fellow travelers slavishly defend a man who DID have himself installed as president through a crooked election. Amd like all modern democrats, you don’t care. None of you give a shit about the law when it interferes with your narrative, and your agenda, and your Marxist masters.
I look forward to seeing widespread realization that debating with, and persuading your kind is pointless. You just need to be removed. All of you.
You truly are an idiot, it's been apparent that your ideological bias has been your largest blind spot since you've been popping up here. I've also pointed out that the vast majority of your observations are painfully stupid when they are not clearly rote repetition of current accepted media buzzphrases and opinions. Trump, as irksome and stupid as he can be, did not 'on deposition says that stars are allowed to sexually abuse woman and that he is a star.' He did not go on TV and admit to crimes. Trump did not 'try to have himself installed as President,' you sad little person. If you're going to drink the kool-aid, at least go fully Jonestown. As for Hunter, it's not about hunter, fuckwit, it's about his father, and influence peddling, corruption and in your case the obvious hypocrisy and double standards. As for your doubts about other commenters, fuck off. You have yet to demonstrate that you have any concern with liberty, no concern w/ civil liberties and zero comprehension of current events or history except through the lens of the shitty media you consume.
America has now become a banana republic in nearly every sense of the word.Political opponents are jailed, freedom of speech is being curtailed and if you're a member of el presidente's family , you can get away with just about anything, including child prostitution and major drug use.
I have never witnessed anything like this before except in countries run by a dictatorship, where people including political opponents mysteriously disappear, where the press is neutered and everyone lives in fear of a police(FBI) raid at 5:00 AM.
Sooner or later this is going to blow back on the Bidens as well as anyone else connected to them. This can't last.
The rest of the world is now laughing at America.
I agree with everything you said JohnZ except for anything happing to the Bidens.
Not a single thing will be done to them. The press & government will cover for them including the GOP. They talk a good game but it is all window dressing.
I'm afraid you're right. Republicans joined with Democrats to force Nixon to resign and put together the bipartisan Church committee to "reform" the deep state. Today's Democrats are full on supporters of the transition to banana republic and the media including Reason has their back.
"...It's enough to make a suspicious person wonder if the deal was meant to give the appearance that justice was done to divert attention from more serious matters..."
Wrong.
It's enough to confirm that as long as Biden is POTUS, we a living in a banana republic.
Trump should mimic everything Democrats have gotten a free pass on. Post the secure papers on an open server, then destroy the evidence, buy illegal guns and flaunt his taxes, etc, etc, etc........
Yes; There is absolutely no question. The USSA-Nazi-Empire has a Gestapo police as all [Na]tional So[zi]alist nations do. The USA dream has been conquered by Nazi's and hope for restoring a USA is hanging by hair threads.
Kinda makes ever voting again rather pointless, wouldn't you agree?
Another useless article wallowing in self-righteous indignation and virtue signaling.
Hunter Biden's "deal" is not available to everybody because 80 million people are perfectly happy making excuses and giving special treatment a corrupt imbecile and his family, while at the same time wanting to "tax the rich" and stomp all over the 2A (and 1A for that matter). That's the country we live in.
So, "the rest of us" can demand whatever we want, it ain't gonna happen. And I frankly resent to be lumped together under the term "us" with fools like you anyway.
Yeah, it's a pretty stupid argument to make. Maybe it should be available to everyone but he knows damned well it won't be. So what's the point of making the statement?
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This the best New Koch libertarians can do. Take the obvious corruption of their reluctantly favored regime and pretend the conversation is about bad laws. Just pathetic.
Oh, look! Reason wrote about Hunter Biden’s sweetheart deal.
Now that Reason has taken away whining about Reason not writing about the deal, let the nitpicks and the comments about how Reason isn’t being passionate enough in their condemnation commence.
You are too dishonest to admit the complaints are about 1) Joe Biden corruption (not mentioned) and 2 two tiered justice (weakest admission of that ever)
I read just one sentence that even hinted at the heart of the matter. " It's enough to make a suspicious person wonder if the deal was meant to give the appearance that justice was done to divert attention from more serious matters. "
Yeah that's some pretty bold shit right there.
Being subtle is tantamount to being a lefty.
Compare it to the sullum trump articles dumdum.
How are you so ignorant about expressed biases? Is it because that is your entire defense against being called a lefty shit weasel?
You would know.
I'd bet those shrieks will continue until Reason endorses the death sentence for plant products--as pushed by machine politicians like Joe Biden, George Holy War Bush, Clinton and Trump, and declares epidemic mask mandates high treason.
Seeing how the mask mandates backfired in so many ways, illegal authoritarianism should indeed be punished. Why defend the mandates and other questionable decisions by government officials? You are not a libertarian.
That was hardly a defense of mask mandates.
Whining is what a weak little cunt like you does. Not us. Whining and begging are what a democrat like you does when confronted by an Americans.
You’re an annelid. Never forget that.
So unleash the AI beast to find everyone convicted of the crimes Hunter committed (not just the ones he got charged with), and grant them pardons and expunge their records.
Equal justice for all.
All of those words and your take-away is "everyone should get the same deal"?!?!
How much effort did you put into that? Way to miss the story completely.
If you didn't see that this plea deal is entirely designed to preclude any further investigation or prosecution, you weren't paying attention.
Based only on what is made public, we know that they have easy cases for bribery, money laundering, unregistered foreign agent, tax evasion, .... and all of those lead to higher people on the ladder. The other crimes involving drugs or minors would normally also be used to leverage more cooperation.
But instead... it is all wiped away.
Since when are libertarians blase` about government corruption? Garland just created a firewall to protect Biden from any investigations regarding his payoff schemes. The politics involved are unambiguous.
Yet the take we get is "powerful people get deals that the rest of us should get"? Come on. Do better.
Hunter Biden’s Prison-Free Plea Should Be Available to Everybody
But it is not. It is only available to DEMOCRATIC Presidents son’s. That is the point we have been trying to get through your thick moronic skulls at Reason.com for two years now.
The system is rigged by the Democrats against the poor, the working class, blacks, other minorities like Jews and Asians, the politically unconnected, people with opposition views to the current ruling class, pretty much everybody but Democratic politicians and their children.
Let’s deal with what is before speculating on what should be!
I think the point is that the FBI, the BATF and the Justice Department have finally given up on trying to maintain the fiction that they aren't really jack-booted thugs available for use as enforcers by whoever happens to be in power at the moment against the other team. I suspect that they realized recently that no one is really fooled by the "equal justice for all" slogan and that it doesn't really matter anyway.
Except they weren't available for Trump. In fact they did everything in their power to prevent him from governing.
Really? You think simply having the title "President of the United States" gives you power?
It certainly grants a particular level of authority which was completely ignored.
Except Trump was too weak to get them to do his bidding. It's just not fair!
But let's elect him again so he can fail to do so all over again...
Yes. The bureaucratic state should be fired. It is corrupted.
Ideally with actual fire.
That is the point we have been trying to get through your thick moronic skulls at Reason.com for two years now.
By writing petulant comments that nobody on the Reason staff reads?
I wish our Lords and Masters would make up their minds! Are they going to crack down on celebrities like Martha Stewart (who was not actually charged with a crime but convicted for telling investigators that she didn’t commit the crime that they didn’t end up charging her with) to prove that the Feds treat everyone equally? Or are they going to make exceptions for politically-connected celebrities who actually violated laws that shouldn't be laws in the first place to prove how lenient and benevolent their brand of justice truly is?
It *is* available to everybody who has a similar lack of criminal history….
‘Failure to pay taxes’ rarely results in prison time for first-time offenders.
Same for the drug-treatment diversion of the gun charge (usually the first charge tossed in any plea deal, FWIW)….
Most of the people who are outraged about this, are such because of the unsubstantiated/unsupportable-by-evidence 'Crimes' that Donald Trump claims Hunter committed...
Not because of anything the legal system can actually influence....
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‘Failure to pay taxes’ rarely results in prison time for first-time offenders.
How many of those first timers had million dollar delinquencies?
It's a good question.
Be sure to report back here soon with the answer, and complete your point.
Be sure to continue spamming the comments, asshole.
Same for the drug-treatment diversion of the gun charge (usually the first charge tossed in any plea deal, FWIW)….
Whenever anyone consumes fruit, including fruit cocktails, usually the first peel to be discarded is a banana peel.
Did you hit yourself in the face with a brick before making that comment? Not only is it retarded, it’s so retarded it makes your other assertions less or even incredible.
Hunter Biden's Prison-Free Plea Should Be Available to Everybody
It is. All you have to do is be an influence-peddling, crack addicted, mysogynistic asshole son of a corrupt president.
Neither crack or any other stimulant is addictive. Opiates atrophy certain bodily functions by replacing them. Hence the withdrawal sickness when unobtainable. That barbiturates and other opiate imitators are addictive is proven by convulsions, sometimes death among their withdrawal symptoms. This ignorant equivocation has, since Jack Johnson first appeared in headlines, been invoked as a cowardly pretext for inducing white cops to shoot persons of other races.
Neither crack or any other stimulant is addictive.
This is facially untrue.
If you apply the fallacy of equivocation and declare that ice cream, cigarettes, peanuts, lovers 15 years too old, hip-hop or coca-cola are addictive, then by unsupported assertion practically everything fascinating to some fool fits the fake definition--especially to those innocent of ever having seen the thing in question. If I offer to bet money, THAT is illegal. Experiment liable to falsify the myth is also illegal. The fact is: nobody has ever suffered withdrawal sickness from coke abstinence, and any experiment that might again prove it has since recently been declared illegal. Like Warmunism, the superstition is a hoax.
nobody has ever suffered withdrawal sickness from coke abstinence
If you don't count the immediate sickness that occurs every time one uses coke and then stops.
What is it that makes me suspect that you have a coke problem that you're trying to rationalize?
I know you’re senile. But you’re also ignorant. Many substances alter human brain chemistry over repeated use. Creating a physical need for that substance.
This isn’t in question.
That's a stupid claim even for Hank.
SCIENCE!
Except that the President isn't corrupt and had nothing to do with this deal. Joe Biden left the Trump appointed prosecutor in charge of the case.
Sure he isn’t. And the deal is between the prosecutor and Biden. The judge hasn’t ruled on it and can reject it when he reviews it.
Except that the President isn’t corrupt...
Joe Biden isn't corrupt? That right there is laugh-out-loud funny. If Biden weren't corrupt, he wouldn't be in politics.
This is why I'm calling parody.
Only a brain dead drone, such as yourself, could make a statement like that.
Did I mention that charliehall is a steaming pile of lefty shit?
This is classy journalism, even if our recent addled White House dwellers are exactly what comes to mind as governments "every decent person is ashamed of." I doubt Jerome could have covered this any better, and that's saying something.
By the Law of Averages, we're due for a really great President. :-/
Unfortunately, they're not chosen randomly.
Yes, treatment similar to what Hunter and the Bidens received "should be available" to every one of us.
But saying this is like saying that two-plus-two-equals-four (is this still true?) or that bears defecate outdoors.
We expect more discussion from a publication that calls itself "Reason."
So: Where is the beef, "Reason" ?
We expect more discussion from a publication that calls itself “Reason.”
That would make more sense if the magazine were called "Discussion".
What? We should all get this type of deal? Yeah, and I should get a tax rebate because I'm more patriotic than most. We don't need mercy, we need consistent justice..equality before the law...not equity because of who you are.
Most tax violations like these aren't prosecuted at all. I've known a lot of people who have gotten into trouble with the IRS. Basically you pay them the money and they forget about you. Biden got a worse deal than most.
The gun charge is more of an issue, but he hasn't been convicted of any drug charges, and most of the people complaining about his deal think that what he pled guilty to shouldn't be a crime in the first place.
"and most of the people complaining about his deal think that what he pled guilty to shouldn’t be a crime in the first place."
You understand that these are separate things and are in no way inconsistent or hypocritical?
You can disagree with a law, but still want it to be applied fairly.
Don't forget that charliehall is a steaming pile of lefty shit.
They are trash.
It's really that simple.
It should be available to NOBODY including Hunter Biden (or his father)!
Is/Ought
Perhaps such deals should be available to everyone, but they aren't, and so they shouldn't have been available to the President's son.
My opinion about the underlying charges: the gun form crime shouldn't have been possible, because the question should not have been on the form. Anyone who has been out in the real world knows that alcohol is far more likely to cause aggression+bad judgment than marijuana, cocaine, heroin, or most other illegal drugs, but no matter how much alcohol you drink, as long as you have not been convicted of a crime you can legally buy a gun - as you should be able to if the 2nd Amendment is respected at all. But given that, barring someone from gun ownership merely because of occasional use of other drugs is completely irrational, and so is asking about such use.
However, we do irrationally bar gun ownership even for someone who took one puff on a joint in the last 3 years. Hunter's father fully supports that, and I see no opposition by Hunter to his father's policies as applied to everyone not named Biden.
But as long as the rest of us have to pay taxes, fraud to evade taxes must be a crime, and sometimes the fraudulent evaders must go to jail. It's OK for minor offenders to avoid jail on this, but without diving far deeper into the details of Hunter's case than I want to go, I haven't heard anything suggesting that Hunter's tax fraud was minor. To me, it seems far more likely that he's getting special treatment than that all others who committed a similar crime could avoid jail time just by getting a good lawyer and paying the taxes and penalties.
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But the BIG issue is not how the crimes Hunter was charged with are handled, but all the crimes that were not even charged. It certainly looks like the Department of (in)Justice is giving him a sweetheart deal on lesser crimes to avoid even investigating the greater ones.
Leniency for everyone? Already got that. See BLM, Antifa, people who firebomb abortion-alternative centers, hapless drivers of red SUVs trying to navigate parades, etc.
Now I hope you didn't mean for undesirable people, too.
This was definitely a sweetheart deal. And it is going to cause prosecutors and judges headaches for the next couple of years. Every defense attorney is going to be using this "deal" as a justification to get their client's charges reduced. I should be interesting.
Biden wasn't even encouraged to commit these crimes by federal agents. If someone talks to an undercover federal agent posing as a minor and then shows up at an agreed upon location, they they will surely be arrested and receive a ten year mandatory minimum sentence. There isn't any guarantee that they would actually follow through with anything illegal. Given that there is evidence of Biden participating in illegal business transactions, he should have the book thrown at him.
He was also molesting his 13 year old niece Natalie. Even several members of his own family know this. The Biden family are incest ours rapists, in addition to being traitors.
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I kind of agree. Taxes should be voluntary, and firearms should be legal, so where's the actual crime he committed? Somehow the corruption charges got lost in the mail, it appears.
Political bribery on foreign markets? An act of treason?
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