A.I. Needs Section 230 To Flourish
A new bill from Sens. Josh Hawley and Richard Blumenthal would stifle the promise of artificial intelligence.

Sens. Josh Hawley (R–Mo.) and Richard Blumenthal (D–Conn.) want to strangle generative artificial intelligence (A.I.) infants like ChatGPT and Bard in their cribs. How? By stripping them of the protection of Section 230 of the 1996 Communications Decency Act, which reads, "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider."
"Section 230 embodies that principle that we should all be responsible for our own actions and statements online, but generally not those of others," explains the Electronic Frontier Foundation. "The law prevents most civil suits against users or services that are based on what others say." By protecting free speech, Section 230 enables the proliferation and growth of online platforms like Facebook, Google, Twitter, and Yelp and allows them to function as robust open forums for the exchange of information and for debate, both civil and not. Section 230 also protects other online services ranging from dating apps like Tinder and Grindr to service recommendation sites like Tripadvisor and Healthgrades.
Does Section 230 shield new developing A.I. services like ChatGPT from civil lawsuits in much the same way that it has protected other online services? Jess Miers, legal advocacy counsel at the tech trade group the Chamber of Progress, makes a persuasive case that it does. Over at Techdirt, she notes that ChatGPT qualifies as an interactive computer service and is not a publisher or speaker. "Like Google Search, ChatGPT is entirely driven by third-party input. In other words, ChatGPT does not invent, create, or develop outputs absent any prompting from an information content provider (i.e. a user)."
One commenter at Techdirt asked what will happen "when ChatGPT designs buildings that fall down." Properly answered: "The responsibility will be on the idiots who approved and built a faulty building designed by a chatbot." That is roughly the situation of a couple of New York lawyers who recently filed a legal brief compiled by ChatGPT in which the language model "hallucinated" numerous nonexistent precedent cases. And just as he should, the presiding judge is holding them responsible and deciding what punishments they may deserve. (Their client might also be interested in pursuing a lawsuit for legal malpractice.)
Evidently, Hawley and Blumenthal agree with Miers' analysis and recognize that Section 230 does currently shield the new A.I. services from civil lawsuits. Otherwise, why would the two senators bother introducing a bill that would explicitly amend Section 230 by adding a clause that "strips immunity from AI companies in civil claims or criminal prosecutions involving the use or provision of generative AI"?
"Today, there are tons of variations of ChatGPT-like products offered by independent developers and computer scientists who are likely unequipped to deal with an inundation of litigation that Section 230 typically preempts," concludes Miers. It would be a grave mistake for Congress to strip the nascent A.I. industry of Section 230 protections. Says Miers, "We risk foreclosing on the technology's true potential."
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A large percent of AI used is not online. It is used in industry and corporations to identify trends or areas of possible savings. What the fuck are you talking about? Online usage requiring political training such as with ChatGPT will actually make AI worse as compared to an industry looking for possible efficiency gains.
Yeah, and a high schooler doesn't write any reports absent a prompt from a teacher. But that doesn't make the teacher author of the content.
230 now covers all teachers. Boom.
230 would cover the teachers (if it’s online). The students are the AIs in that analogy, though.
The AI students get an artificial education.
Section 230...allows them to function as robust open forums for the exchange of information and for debate, both civil and not.
But doesn't REQUIRE that in exchange for immunity from liability. That's the problem with it.
Hey EvilBahnFuhrer… No matter HOW many times you tell your “Big Lie”, it is NOT true! You’re part of the mob, aren’t you, gangster? For a small fee, you tell small businesses that you will “protect” them… From you and your mob! Refute the below, ye greedy authoritarian who wants to shit all over the concept of private property!
Look, I’ll make it pretty simple for simpletons. A prime argument of enemies of Section 230 is, since the government does such a HUGE favor for owners of web sites, by PROTECTING web site owners from being sued (in the courts of Government Almighty) as a “publisher”, then this is an unfair treatment of web site owners! Who SHOULD (lacking “unfair” section 230 provisions) be able to get SUED for the writings of OTHER PEOPLE! And punished by Government Almighty, for disobeying any and all decrees from Government Almighty’s courts, after getting sued!
In a nutshell: Government Almighty should be able to boss around your uses of your web site, because, after all, Government Almighty is “protecting” you… From Government Almighty!!!
Wow, just THINK of what we could do with this logic! Government Almighty is “protecting” you from getting sued in matters concerning who you chose to date or marry… In matters concerning what line of work you chose… What you eat and drink… What you read… What you think… Therefore, Government Almighty should be able to boss you around on ALL of these matters, and more! The only limits are the imaginations and power-lusts of politicians!
You didn't even know what s230 was about, and didn't even recognize it when it was posted here.
sarcasmic is good like that. Just yesterday he confessed he did not understand the specifics of the law being used to prosecute Trump despite spending hundreds of posts all day yesterday and today defending the prosecution and its legal basis. Having an IQ under 85 was already limiting before he became a self-confessed hopeless drug addict and alcoholic.
It is 140. His online test says so.
"Having an IQ under 85"
Imagine not knowing Sarcasmic took an online quiz that said it was 140. He even saved the URL as proof.
Check and mate.
Actually we ALL know that S-230 is ALL about DEFEATING THE FORCES OF PERFECTION, which is the Sacred Will of The Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer!!! OBEY, all of ye lowly and imperfect peons!!!
That's not a problem at all. If you want to run your own right-wing MAGA forum where all non-MAGA commenters are silenced and banned, that should absolutely be your prerogative to do so. Do you really want the BIDEN REGIME to force you to accept LIBRUL MORONS onto your MAGA forum?
Not everyone is as authoritarian and controlling as you, Nazi.
that should absolutely be your prerogative to do so.
Yes, it should be, and you should be liable for the content, since you're curating it. If you act as a "common carrier" and allow all legal content, only then should you be immune from liability.
Why should the forum owner be responsible for the content of the commenters?
They are responsible for their curating as soon as they start editorializing. See online newspapers dumdum.
They shouldn't be, as long as they allow free speech.
Why should a TV network be forced to pay for defamation is only one person there actually did it?
Just like how you can open up a restaurant and put out a "No kikes, No niggers" sign, right cytotoxic?
Jeffy is a dummy.
...want to strangle generative artificial intelligence (A.I.) infants...in their cribs.
What's the down side?
I thought Reason was all for late term abortions.
Isn't that our last chance to do so?
The down side of over-regulation by Nervous Nellies, smugly self-righteous Karens, Nosenheimers, and Buttinskies is the freezing of the human future, the deprivation of equal inputs from those who think otherwise, and our ultimate extinction... Stasis and extinction, or freedom and a future! Entropy is nipping at our heels! No? Why? Because I said so! The "precautionary principle" needs to be applied against itself... WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG if we follow this principle? Will some fluffy bunnies be killed for no good reason, here, or in some possible parallel universe! I'll bet you that that WILL be the case! Freedom or slavery, what do YOU chose?
Yeah I remember how humanity was stuck in a state of stasis and verging on extinction up until 1996 when the Communications Decency Act was passed in order to regulate objectionable material on the internet and was struck down in its entirety with the sole exception of section 230, sarcasmic.
Section 230, the 1A of the internet era. Long live S-230! Marxists, suck my hemorrhoids! Freedoms for property owners!
And section 230 would never bee needed if the concept fo Freedom of Communication were supported !
BUT that (like freedom of association ) is a SOCIAL right !!
But it is a right that covers that situation that individual ones apparently can not!
So which side of the fence do YOU shit upon? Are you in favor of stuff and shit... Except when you are NOT in favor of stuff and shit? Or only when the stuff and shit is more shitty and less stuffy, or quantum both shitty and stuffy at the same time, or cats are both alive and dead, or both brain-dead and brain-alive at the same time, or WHAT the bloody FUCK? Pick a SIDE, lest ye be consigned to the innermost circles of HELL!!!
Sounds like another reason to get rid of Section 230.
Huh? "Traffic laws for automobiles don't work for airplane traffic, so let's get rid of traffic laws for automobiles!"
they should definitely get rid of Section 230 plus every other Section.
SOME people may have done some BAD things with their S-230 backed freedoms... So let's kill some MORE freedoms! Yeehaw!!!
SOME people here have argued that, since there has been at least one (several?) case(s) of hardcopy rags (newspapers) sued FOR THE WRITINGS OF OTHERS, namely letter-to-the-editor writers (it was all well and good to authoritarians that SOME people got punished for the writings of OTHER people), then the proper fix MUST be to perpetrate / perpetuate this obvious injustice right on over to the internet domain! This is like arguing that the “fix” for a cop strangling to death, a black man (Eric Garner) on suspicion of wanting to sell “loosies” is, not to STOP the injustice, but rather, to go and find some White and Hispanic and Asian men as well, and strangle them, as well, on suspicion of wanting to sell “loosies”! THAT will make it all “fair”! WHEN will authoritarians see and acknowledge their power-pig fascism?!?!
NY Times can be punished for what someone ELSE wrote in a letter-to-the-editor in their hardcopy rag! An injustice, to be “fixed” by punishing Facebook for the same kind of offenses!
In 1850, I imagine that perhaps some people in the USA were saying it isn’t fair that white folks hold black folks as slaves. Let’s “fix” it by having a bunch of black folks hold white slaves, too!
What kind of EVIL person fixes injustice by widening the spread of more injustice of the same kind? HOW does this “fix” ANYTHING?!?!
Section 230 does not protect or grant any freedoms, sarcasmic. It's a limitation of liability for online advertising companies that is not enjoyed by offline advertising companies. That's it. Full stop. You don't have any clue what the law says, what it means, or what it regulates. You should crawl back into your bottle and shut the fuck up until shreek the pedophile needs you to white knight for him some more.
What kind of EVIL person fixes injustice by widening the spread of more injustice of the same kind?
Look to Ming Mang the Mighty Justice-Mangler for answers on how to square the circle, justify the unjustifiable, call night day, evil good, good evil, and just generally, worshit, as a servant and serpent of the Evil One, smug self-righteousness, the pursuit of UDDER power piggery!
If you ever come around to wanting to work on your affliction, EvilBahnFuhrer, start here: M. Scott Peck, The People of the Lie, the Hope for Healing Human Evil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684848597/reasonmagazinea-20/
People who are evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Peck demonstrates the havoc these “people of the lie” work in the lives of those around them.
I feel like we need more testing before we jump to any conclusion here.
"Like Google Search, ChatGPT is entirely driven by third-party input.
ChatGPT is primarily driven by a neural network operated by OpenAI. The user input gives a little bit of direction, but output is primarily generated by OpenAI.
Google Search is primarily driven by a complex algorithm running on Google computers. The user input gives a little bit of direction, but output is primarily generated by Google.
Hmmm...interest point. Maybe artificial intelligence means artificial person. Eventually, news reporters and talking heads will be replaced by cyber-bots, research bots, and physical bots, drones, and synthetic so-finely-animated-one-can't-tell-difference-from-real talking head characters, synthetic news personalities. artificial people.
So question: would all those artificial people and their employers have the same legal obligations as real people?
By protecting free speech, Section 230 enables the proliferation and growth of online platforms like Facebook, Google, Twitter, and Yelp and allows them to function as robust open forums for the exchange of information and for debate, both civil and not.
I submit that if you ever attempted any actual free speech on those platforms, you'd quickly come to a different conclusion. Particularly given that the main complaint about Section 230 is that it is decidedly *not* protecting free speech.
It is fairer to say that Section 230 protects property rights of forum owners to decide what speech is or is not allowed on their forums.
And they should have that right, and have liability for the content. If they want immunity from liability for user generated content, then they should be required to allow free speech in exchange for that privilege, the same as your phone company.
Would you give exceptions for, say, spambots?
Do bots have rights?
No, but the person writing the bots does.
Have you EVER noticed that your phone company does NOT allow YOUR private conversations with your racist cunt Aunt Mable to be viewed by MILLIONS of other customers? That Ma Bell does NOT risk Ma Bell's reputation thereby? HELLO YOU FUCKING BRAIN-DEAD MORON?!?!? WTF?!?!
"And they should have that right, and have liability for the content."
The state wants the Internet to grow and become ever more invasive. Shrinking the Internet is something to be avoided and 230 is the easiest thing the state can do to encourage growth, and the fulfillment of 'the master plan.'
But forums are not common carriers. The Internet backbone is the common carrier not individual forums.
Your standard is actually an abrogation of private property rights.
The Section 230 standard is an abridgement of the rights of potential plaintiffs to pursue justice when they are aggrieved by speech curated by service providers. Allowing service providers to have it both ways—curating content while being shielded from liability—abridges the freedom of expression of the users. The way to respect everyone's rights is to allow all legal speech on services, while holding only content posters responsible for damages from the content. If service providers want to choose and edit what they post, let them be responsible for the content.
But you don't have a free speech right on other people's private property.
You don't have a right to be immune from liability for what happens on your property. Section 230 extends a special privilege to service providers, for which there were supposed to be conditions.
"Section 230 extends a special privilege to service providers..."
YOUR control of YOUR property is now a "special privilege"! Well spoken for a True Authoritarian!
"then they should be required to allow free speech in exchange"
That's optimistic, in these censorous times, the value of free speech is depreciated.
But when we get rid of Trump, the censorship will end right?
And it would be actually accurate to say that Section 230 protects online advertising agencies from being legally liable for the content that they curate and publish while offline advertising agencies enjoy no such protection from liability, but you knew that cytotoxic.
OPEN QUESTIONS FOR ALL ENEMIES OF SECTION 230
The day after tomorrow, you get a jury summons. You will be asked to rule in the following case: A poster posted the following to social media: “Government Almighty LOVES US ALL, FAR more than we can EVER know!”
This attracted protests from liberals, who thought that they may have detected hints of sarcasm, which was hurtful, and invalidated the personhoods of a few Sensitive Souls. It ALSO attracted protests from conservatives, who were miffed that this was a PARTIAL truth only (thereby being at least partially a lie), with the REAL, full TRUTH AND ONLY THE TRUTH being, “Government Almighty of Der TrumpfenFuhrer ONLY, LOVES US ALL, FAR more than we can EVER know! Thou shalt have NO Government Almighty without Der TrumpfenFuhrer, for Our TrumpfenFuhrer is a jealous Government Almighty!”
Ministry of Truth, and Ministry of Hurt Baby Feelings, officials were consulted. Now there are charges!
QUESTIONS FOR YOU THE JUROR:
“Government Almighty LOVES US ALL”, true or false?
“Government Almighty LOVES US ALL”, hurtful sarcasm or not?
Will you be utterly delighted to serve on this jury? Keep in mind that OJ Simpson got an 11-month criminal trial! And a 4-month civil trial!
these platforms literally act as speech hall monitors for the regime and hide behind Section 230 to do it. They bend over for the FBI and various other 3 letter agencies and call it "muh private cumpinni"
It's protecting the "free speech" of the service providers, not of the users.
Lying NPC declares 230 protections needed for lying NPCs.
If your industry requires special government-provided protection from liability that is not offered to anyone else in any other industry in order to function then you're a rent-seeking piece of shit and your industry is fucked. Face the market and the courts on equal footing with all others or find a business model that doesn't require daddy gubmint to strangle your competition and give you special benefits.
"If your industry requires special government-provided protection from liability"
Your industry - bad
Our industry - good
Yeah.
They need the government not to hold them liable for what their software outputs.
Because they don't know how it works and they can't actually control it.
"A.I. Needs Section 230 To Flourish"
I think this is likely to be true. Just like the nuclear industry needs liability protection from the government instead of buying insurance in the private sector to flourish.
I guess I need to stop criticizing all those characters in science fiction novels about how stupid they were about creating killer robots.
I guess I need to stop criticizing all those characters in science fiction novels about exactly how... Your examples and citations are AWESOME! Because I said so! And because “Because I said so!” is THE most awesome libertarian, NON-authoritarian attitude EVER!!!!
A new bill from Sens. Josh Hawley and Richard Blumenthal
Say no more. Any bipartisan legislation being crafted by those two turds ought to be rejected out of hand.
So, what we need is an AI Decency act? Reason, you've lost your mind in regards to section 230.
"Section 230 embodies that principle that we should all be responsible for our own actions and statements online, but generally not those of others," explains the Electronic Frontier Foundation. "The law prevents most civil suits against users or services that are based on what others say."
No, EFF, it's the First Amendment that protects users and services that are based on what others say.
" it’s the First Amendment that protects users and services that are based on what others say."
But not enough. Hence 230.
What would America do without a communications decency act?!! Why, no book publisher could even operate without being sued into oblivion!
"Why, no book publisher could even operate without being sued into oblivion!"
Book publishers thrive. They publish a handful of books each season and take responsibility for their content, which they've read, understood and edited. Internet platforms publish millions of documents daily. They don't have the capacity to manage the contents like a book publisher does.
Great article Mike.
I’m torn: on the one hand, those two turd burglers are wrong about almost everything. On the other, even blind squirrels find a nut every once in a while.
I’d say more, but according to the leading libertarians in these here comments we’re not supposed to criticize Reason or the writers.
Why the religious devotion to a brief section of the Communications Decency Act here? It’s creepy. They love it more than the Constitution, Gree Speech, Equal Treatment under the Law, and The Enlightenment writ large
"A new bill from Sens. Josh Hawley and Richard Blumenthal would stifle the promise of artificial intelligence."
Cool! Thanks for the good news!
An AI program isn't legally a speaker or publisher because there company running it legally is the speaker or publisher. Section 230 is not written to protect the output of an AI, because it's output is not "information provided by another information content provider" -- it is information assembled and provided by the (company running the) AI. Section 230 was not intended to protect companies running programs like generative AIs, because it was intended to allow online platforms to provide comment spaces for users -- a fundamentally different relationship than here.
Yeah. It doesn't say "information *requested* by another information content provider".
^^
Do we need AI to flourish, or it it foolish and harmful to humans? That is yet to be decided. Let's take our time and make sure AI flourishing is a good thing, no reason to hurry it along.
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Pointless. Maybe next they can prohibit clouds from forming or the wind from blowing.
If AI was to be covered by Section 230 because its content is derivative from other people's content, it would also be infringing on copyright.
However, the content isn't derivative, any more than normal people talking would be derivative of other people's speech that they've heard, and it's therefore not covered by Section 230 and isn't copyright infringement.
Of course, there should be no need for this sort of liability protection because the First Amendment clearly prohibits defamation laws. Violating the Constitution for hundreds of years is no excuse for continuing to violate it.
"A.I. Needs Section 230 To Flourish"
That should be enough for any sane person to realize we should abolish the monstrosity called 230.
A.I. Needs Section 230 To Flourish
So, when it comes to a zero-intelligence agent like a virus, the *potential* social onus is on the carrier agent no matter how minimal, but when it comes to a nascent intelligence the onus is on those actually harmed by it and so overwhelmingly it must be prevented up front and outright.
Fuck you, Ron. Fuck you for being a bad, fake scientist. Fuck you for being a bad, fake libertarian. Fuck you for being a bad, fake moralizing entity worse than any Jerry Falwell. May the AIs and the entities breeding them that you seek to protect from the consequences of their actions wind up Jim Jones-ing your ass. Enjoy the Kool-Aid.
To bad they don't have like or thumbs up buttons on Reason, I would have given you one!
Saying AI might be impeded like it’s a bad thing. Do we really want it to be *more* efficient at evildoing?
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