The Public Has a Right To See the Nashville Shooter's Writings
Government officials have neither the right nor the credibility to stand in the way.

Should authorities "protect" the public from the thoughts of violent criminals? Do victims' families have a claim to suppress public records regarding assailants' deeds? These questions arise as some people seek to deter mass attacks by denying attention to perpetrators—especially in incidents that may involve controversies over ideology, culture, and policy. The debate over releasing the Covenant School shooter's manifesto is the most recent such example, and like all of them it should be resolved by acknowledging the public's right to know.
After the lethal March 27 shooting at the Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee, police revealed that the attacker, Audrey Hale, left behind a written record of preliminaries to the crime.
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A Blueprint or a Bust?
"In the collective writings by Hale found in her vehicle in the school parking lot, and others later found in the bedroom of her home, she documented, in journals, her planning over a period of months to commit mass murder at The Covenant School," Metropolitan Nashville police announced April 3. "The writings remain under careful review by the MNPD and the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit based in Quantico, Virginia. The motive for Hale's actions has not been established and remains under investigation by the Homicide Unit in consultation with the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit. It is known that Hale considered the actions of other mass murderers."
Hale was killed by police responding to the crime, leaving the documents as the only record of what might have motivated a murder spree that left three children and three adults dead. And the public certainly had an interest in delving into yet another school attack, committed with always-controversial firearms, by a transgender individual (Hale was biologically female but had recently begun identifying as a man and using the name "Aiden." Police reports use the name "Audrey," so I'm sticking with that). Maybe the writings would shed some light on the crime and, perhaps, similar tragedies.
Not that the authorities provide any clarity. Tennessee Bureau of Investigations Director David Rausch referred to Hale's documents as "'ramblings' rather than writings that point to a clear motive," according to The Tennessean, which is among those seeking their release. But Metro Nashville Council Member Courtney Johnston said they were "a blueprint on total destruction, and it was so, so detailed at the level of what she had planned." It's impossible to reconcile those characterizations and, in a period of plummeting trust in institutions, members of the public might want to decide for themselves rather than leave dueling officials to agree on a story.
Tussling Over the Documents' Release
But that's not happening, at least so far. After dragging their feet on releasing the documents, Nashville police refused, perversely blaming continuing delays on lawsuits and administrative appeals seeking access to the writings.
Then the Covenant School sued to prevent release, claiming they "may include and/or relate to sensitive information owned by The Covenant School."
And just last week, Hale's parents sought to distance themselves from the dispute by transferring ownership of the documents to victims' families. The families hope the move will bolster their efforts to suppress Hale's writings, though that may be a faint hope given that they're in police possession and the product of a murderer who committed a crime of public concern.
There's no doubt that members of the public are concerned. Multiple organizations, including two media outlets, are suing for access to information about the high-profile murders. Was Hale motivated by anti-Christian bias? By childhood experiences as an alumnus of the school? By earlier school shooters? Did the debate over trans identity play a role? What about self-defense rights and access to firearms? Did Hale take common security measures into account and plan around them? There's plenty of reason for researchers, reporters, activists, and people in general to want to see what Hale left behind.
Learning from Past Manifestos
This isn't the first time officials tried to make a crime and its attendant concerns go away by suppressing a criminal's thoughts. After Brenton Harrison Tarrant committed a 2019 mass murder in Christchurch, New Zealand, the country's government attempted to memory-hole his eco-fascist manifesto. Arguing the document was "deliberately constructed to inspire further murder and terrorism," New Zealand officials prosecuted their citizens for sharing it and leaned on private companies elsewhere to follow suit.
But analysts found the manifesto enlightening in terms of ideological evolution and terrorist tactics. "The manifesto specifically focuses on the anti-immigrant aspects of eco-fascism, dedicating at least an entire page to espousing what it calls 'Green Nationalism,'" wrote Alejandro Beutel for National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism. Others compared the author's media tactics to those of ISIS or looked for indications of links among far-right extremists around the world.
So, a document produced by a mass murderer that government officials sought to suppress proved useful when examined by people looking for insight into the minds of such a criminal. Why would Hale's scribblings necessarily be of any less utility to those seeking to understand criminals, their motivations, and their tactics, and looking for ways to defend against future incidents?
Obstructionist Officials Without Credibility
There's also the important point that the law enforcement agencies sitting on Hale's writings are supported by taxes paid by the public and—theoretically, at least—have a responsibility to that public. They're supposed to protect people from crimes, not to obstruct their attempts to gain understanding from the malevolent thoughts of criminals. Yes, the Covenant School's administrators and the victims' families are members of the public, but their understandable desires to put the horrifying incident behind them don't trump the public's interest in forestalling future Hales.
And the powers-that-be are in no position to hide documents from the public and say, "trust us, you don't need to see this." According to Gallup, just 51 percent of respondents said they had a great deal or a lot of confidence in the police in 2021; that dropped to 45 percent in 2022. All of 20 percent of respondents said they had a great deal or a lot of confidence in the criminal justice system in 2021; that dropped to 14 percent in 2022. The people asking for access to Hale's manifesto (or "ramblings") may have more faith in their own judgment about the writings' importance than in that of officialdom.
That's especially true when Hale's documents may be relevant to ongoing debates. Anti-gun activists have already tried to build a case for restrictive laws on the crime. Others insist the murderer was motivated by anger over the treatment of trans people. People deserve to know what they contain. Suppressing the documents just makes everybody suspect the worst about their contents.
Whatever is in the writings, the public has the right to see them. And government officials have neither the right nor the credibility to stand in the way.
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Police reports use the name "Audrey," so I'm sticking with that...
How dare you not honor the killer's pronouns. I guess we found the true villain here.
If the past few years has taught us anything, it's that the establishment knows what's best. If they feel that it's in someone's best interest to keep the hoi polloi from scrutinizing and debating information, what place is it for the ignorant masses to scrutinize and debate that decision?
Stay in your places, peons!
That had to be your shortest post ever? If so, let's keep that trend going for a while O.K.
Let's not kill SQRLSY's unique spirit.
I prefer to mute it. His nonsense makes my eyes hurt.
I almost never read every word of a SQRLSY comment.
I’ve been bemused on the few occasions when someone has accused SQRLSY of being my sock puppet. I wouldn’t know where to begin to write in his style.
ML spent years trying to prove I was Squirrely and others.
One day he found a thread where muting 'sarcasmic' muted other posters, so he confronted me with his "Ah ha!"
Turns out muting that 'sarcasmic' did not mute me.
So what does he do? Does he admit that he was wrong and apologize like a man? Nope. He memory-holed it and still insists I'm the sock king.
Look up Canadian Cunt in the dictionary and it says Mother's Lament.
I hear ya.
Fuck off you Marxist shitbag.
You’re a whiny little bitch. In addition to being a drunken weak pussy.
Not at all surprising. I muted that girl-bullying cancerous colon before it was even fashionable. MRLA (Make Reason Libertarian Again!) Trash the smaller, harder, angrier republican party tendrils trashing our stuff. The 1980s LP slogan, "Time For a New Beginning" is a tell that anarco-commie-fascisti were already infiltating the LP and corrupting the platform and principles. Somebody noticed and called for a reset back to our origins!
What are you talking about? You've literally mentioned an oxymoron. Don't be so mentally ill.
What? And miss tales of Tim and his enchanted flute?
Heathen!
Better that SQRLSY be killed in body than in spirit.
It certainly stands out the way the Cathedral insists on playing along with the delusion in every single other case except this one.
For some reason they didn't use Jose Padilla's chosen name either.
Anybody who goes by "Aiden" needs to be stopped.
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To say nothing of partner-in-crime Abetten!
Wait, there was a shooting in Nashville? By a transgendered person?! When did that happen?!?!
*cough*
To be fair, ENB had a slew of abortion, sex work, and Desantis-bad articles to cover *checks notes*… for 3 months, with daily "Reminder: Republicans bad" articles in the roundup
Of note, there is almost a daily "R's are big meanies and deny care to trans people" in the roundup
Now you'll have to find a different story to continuously bitch and moan and whine and cry about Reason deliberately ignoring because they're a bunch of leftist tranny-lovers.
Poor sarc.
Crawl back under your rock, you fucking coward.
Watch, Mike Laursen will be along any minute now to comment on it.
To be fair, it’s a foregone conclusion the Dems are bad as they have not done a single thing in support of liberty at any point in the last forty years. If “Reason” decides not to belabor the obvious by beating a dead horse, it’s perhaps forgivable by “true libertarians.” Meanwhile the GOP was, at least for a while, the only form of resistance “True Libertarians” might have counted upon to oppose the evil Dems, so “Reason” could, perhaps, have been forgiven for going easy on them in hopes of putting some spine into the GOP jellyfish as champions of smaller government and liberty. Alas, it has become increasingly clear to most of us that those hopes have been dashed, so it behooves us to stop going easy on them now. There is a lot of catching up to do for “Reason” editors on that front, so it’s a little petty of you to criticize them for a shift in focus.
Another case of a Reason writer finally acknowledging an event months later in an attempt to continue gaslighting readers that it has any credibility left
Apparently works on some of the slower types.
See: MWAocdoc
There are lots of rights the public has that the democrat do not protect.
Surely, the Nashville Metropolitan Police Department is a den of liberal Democrats.
the meter maids have the call on releasing the manifesto.
Nashville would be a good bet if you were looking for a meter maid whose name is actually Rita.
Since you go carryin' pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't gonna make it with anyone, anyhow.
Kudos for finally covering this, and during the holy month of pride no less!!
Reason wrote about the Covenant School shootings the day after they happened. You know that, and continue to lie about it.
LOL what did they write about it?
What they wrote about it amounted to a SINGLE SENTENCE that can be summed up as "A shooting (link to NYT propaganda) happened in Nashville yesterday...so anyways, moving on to look at the topic more broadly..."
Im honestly amazed its even being actually covered in any way now, so props to Reason for not completely memory holing it, though they might as we have
Lying again. Here is the link yet again:
https://reason.com/2023/03/27/the-problems-with-just-getting-guns-out-of-peoples-hands-as-a-solution-to-gun-violence/
11 paragraphs on a topic related to the Nashville shootings, including a link to a news report on the shootings. In my brother Mike’s world that doesn’t count because Doherty wrote about the futility of gun control to stop mass shootings rather than about how evil transgender people are. Also, he’d have to admit he was wrong when he kept saying Reason never mentioned the shootings.
Christianofascists never admit to lies or errors. Allowing the riff-raff to be led over the cliff by Black Satan is NOT freedom, any more than fossils planted by Allah in sediments to test our Faith are proof the earth is a million years old! See "The Darkening Age" by Nixey.
See Mike Parsons' reply below. You are lying about "Christianofascists". Repent of your wickedness.
"11 paragraphs on a topic related to the Nashville shootings"
The equivalent of "a police encounter went wrong, here is whats wrong with police" in the wake of st floyd.
Or "sometimes protesting can get a little out of hand" and not mentioning a single other word about J6.
Please stop pretending, you are only fooling the most dim of the bulbs here.
11 paragraphs about "guns in general" with no mention of ANY details of the nashville shooting other than "a shooting happened...moving on" is not coverage.
You are fooling no one brother
What would have been wrong with such an article about police in the wake of George Floyd’s death?
It is more useful and interesting to talk about the deeper issues these incidents touch on than the sad details.
Of course, you would have been happy with only one kind of article from Reason: one painting all transgender people as potential mass murderers. Anything else “doesn’t count”.
You're delusional to think that mere paragraphs constitutes as "covering" a news event.
They didn’t as you have been told many times. See above.
Keep lying.
You’re confused again. YOU are the Mike that keeps lying. Not the other Mike.
Tuccille, you are guilty of misgendering (Audrey, instead of Aiden). That is a serious crime. Do you have young children? Better stay out of CA with that misgendering crime you just committed.
Men are men.
Women are women.
That cannot change.
Audrey can legally change her name to Aiden, but that doesn't make her a man.
The truth is not a serious crime.
(yes, I know; but sarcasm has become prophecy under the current regime)
I'm surprised that the California state legislature did not include a clause to go after any parent in the U.S.
Stating that the public deserves something does not justify granting or recognizing that the public have rights to something, especially something private.
I would think that Reason stood for private property rights of individuals before any populist notion that the public needs it, regardless of whether the individuals committed crimes or not. #forshame
A manifesto implies the owner of the document wanted the document to be public, so private property rights would mean towards this document being released.
Did Hale ever call her journals a “manifesto” or was that just a label others applied?
Who gives a fuck? What difference does that make. It was a bunch of commie bullshit form a Marxist tranny anti Christ who murdered Christian children and adults. But they won’t release it because people like you refuse to admit that this is all your fault.
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She's dead, Jim.
She no longer has property rights.
Say right in the blog post above that the documents are now the property of the shooting victims’ parents.
I’m sure you have all sorts of excuses for not releasing this leftist screed. You Marxist democrats have a lot to hide.
Like Hunter's laptop?
Nothing there but dick pics according to the commentariat’s Child Rapist in Chief.
The pooner has no more right to privacy at this point than the pooner who was involved in the Colorado STEM school shooting.
The "Freedom of Information Act" says that the public has a limited right to review public documents. Although I'm not an expert on the law or that particular law, I'm pretty sure that there are very few emergency requests allowed by the law and that this would not be considered to be one of them. Whether evidence found during an investigation of a crime at the crime scene would be considered to be subject to a FOIA request during an ongoing investigation is a matter for a judge to decide if the LEO's are stonewalling.
The journals are the property of either Hale’s parents or the victim’s parents at this point.
The public already saw several excerpts from her journals just a day after the shootings. And what we all saw was indeed "ramblings' rather than writings that point to a clear motive.”
There are indeed “activists” out there who keep saying there is some great compelling need to see the journals. An example is my brother, Mike Parsons, who keeps pushing a bigoted agenda that transgender people are all a bunch of potential mass murderers.
Trannies have the highest per capita mass murder rate in recent years. Mr. Parsons is not wrong.
Cite please.
Do your own internet search.
Per capita, Mikey.
What I find hilarious is when you google "trans mass murderers", nearly every hit is a liberal rag "fact checking" the people who call tranny mass murderers "tranny mass murderers".
The Colorado Springs shooter identified as non binary.
The Denver shooter identified as trans.
The Aberdeen shooter identified as trans.
The Nashville shooter identified as trans.
William Whitworth, 19, who identifies as "Lilly," was arrested by the Elbert County Sheriff's Office on March 31, on two counts of suspicion of criminal attempt to commit murder in the first degree, and other charges, according to an arrest report.
Lilly had a manifesto and was planning on shooting schools and churches.
Colorado Springs shooter: Anderson Lee Aldrich, "non-binary". 5 dead. Nov. 22, 2022.
Denver shooter: Austin Lyle, "transgender". 2 school admininstrators wounded. March 22, 2023
Aberdeen shooter: Snochia Moseley, "transgender". 3 dead, 3 wounded. Nov. 16, 2022.
Nashville shooter: Audrey Hale, "transgender". 6 dead. March 27, 2023.
Don't forget the pooner at the Colorado STEM school who shot four in the middle school section.
“Per capita, Mikey.”
“Per capita”, Bob, means you have to show some arithmetic. You have come up with a numerator, 4. Now what’s the denominator?
More importantly, what control group is the number being contrasted against, and why is that control group appropriate? “Highest per capita mass murder rate” compared to what?
Obviously, compared to people who know which sex they are, moron.
Normal people.
Their murder rate is substantially higher than most groups when you take into account they are such a tiny portion of the population.
Turns out when you are mentally deranged you end up killing someone (yourself or someone else)
Please show your work:
https://reason.com/2023/06/12/the-public-has-a-right-to-see-the-nashville-shooters-writings/?comments=true#comment-10105780
See Idaho Bob's reply above.
Funny, I do not see Reason declaiming the police for seizing the document. Mostly because they did so lawfully as part of their investigation of his crimes. Your crocodile tears notwithstanding.
He is dead, and it would appear the document does not indicate the presence of any conspiracy or other participants.
It is part of the public record, has no further investigatory value so no justification for being kept secret, and should be made available to the public.
1) The killer is dead there so he/she/it has no cognizable privacy interest in the document. 2) Once personal property is lawfully seized as part of a criminal investigation its putative owner loses any right to it. Release the manifesto.
If your legal analysis is correct, then how did Hale’s parents’ attorney manage to convey ownership they didn’t have to another party?
They shouldn't have, that's the thing.
So prison authorities can't read inmates' mail?
Someone involved in this case is in prison?
Maybe we should stop glorifying crazy people.
That's crazy talk!
Then what would we celebrate the rest of the month?
Stop reading the comments???
How many thousands of times was this magazine and all the authors declared to be leftist leftists for deliberately refusing to cover this story?
About twenty. All coming from one commenter, as far as I know.
Sarc, you’re done here you weak little pussy.
Run away.
Compared to whom? A math teacher at UT collected proofs of things that are false. I collect manifestos of scribblers who cause death, but NOBODY covered that story. I searched. Tuccille is a pioneer of meaningful coverage.
Better late than never. It is hard to create a narrative if the truth is known. Like the Christchurch killer, the El Paso Walmart shooter was a green nationalist. However, ALL mainstream info sources list both as right-wing white supremacists, never mentioning the ecoterrorism aspect of their motivations. I suspect this one is really bad for the rightwing bad narrative.
Christchurch and El Paso were race motivated therefore classic right-wing.
Barry Goldwater and plenty of other conservatives were environmentalists.
In fact, preserving the environment is the essence of what should be "conservative" values. Unfortunately conservatives these days are about race first and then race and race in that order.
Sometimes I think there’s a back room somewhere where the two parties trade issues like playing cards to keep elections near 50/50 while the lemmings who blindly follow the parties nod and repeat “We were always at war with Eastasia.”
No one cares what you think pussy.
Since when was eco-facism "right-wing", pedo?
WTF? No one said that, you moron.
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We often think of conservatives as opposed to environmental regulation. Yet it has not always been so. Conservative icons like William F. Buckley and Barry Goldwater took vigorous public stands in favor of environmental protection, as did Ronald Reagan while he was governor of California. Ronald Reagan shifted to a sharply anti-regulatory stance in the early years of his presidency, but then shifted again to a more moderate position. Reagan personally championed the international ozone agreement and signed a law to require planning for possible climate change. Even today, there are important conservative voices advocating environmental initiatives such as a carbon tax.
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Unfortunately the conservative movement has been hijacked by MAGA fascists.
To marxists, anyone who resists their agenda is a facist.
To Trumptards, anyone who isn't a Republican is a leftist.
Maybe, but the left is empirically evil, so there's that.
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And the left will say the same thing about you.
Take healthcare for example. I doubt you think people should be shut out of medical care, yet because you don't want government to be the sole provider the left would accuse you of being evil and wanting people to die. Meanwhile you accuse the left of being evil for wanting to control healthcare, and you'd rather see private business and charity supply peoples' needs.
You both want the same end. You want people to be healthy and be able to see a doctor when they need to.
You disagree over the means.
So maybe instead of being an asshole and accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being evil, you could instead agree that you share similar goals, and then argue about how to achieve them.
Just a thought.
Maybe instead of judging people by the results of their policies and policies by the people who support them, you could try judging people by their intentions and policies by their outcomes.
And the left will say the same thing about you.
I'm aware. They've been doing it since the French Revolution.
That linear right-left political dynamic isn’t very descriptive. And what does moderate mean?
If I say Elon Musk should be able to buy a nuke if he wants, and abortions are fine up until the moment of birth, the extremes would cancel out and make me a centrist, right?
I think slavery is bad, and forcing doctors to provide medical care is either slavery or results in massive inflation in health care costs for everyone else who does pay.
Forcing doctors to do what? First I heard about conscripting physicians into working in government hospitals.
And what we have heard about a lot in the news lately is state legislators telling doctors how to do their jobs.
This is literally true. The Soviets defined fascism as "anything that is not Stalinist communism" which is why the official name of the Berlin Wall is "The Antifascist Protection Rampart".
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Yup. Teedy Rosenfeld, idol and exemplar to the Archduke, the Kaiser and the Fuhrer.
Why has the media given the narrative of environmentalists being left-wing? It seems like they refuse to believe that the Christchurch shooter was on their side, so they disown the entire movement altogether. Talk about insanity.
Based on your definition, you would be far right given your constant hate toward ‘uppity’ blacks.
Uh oh.
You're going to force him to copy / paste the Wikipedia definition of "right wing" that he's too stupid to understand describes him perfectly. ("RW" according to Wikipedia means "tolerates or supports social inequality" and Buttplug openly celebrates billionaires in a country where millions of families don't have $500 saved for an emergency.)
I get called "right-wing" by progressives all the time. Fine by me.
Just like I don't care when MAGA fascists call me left wing.
A curious thing about being a libertarian is that conservatives will hate you and call you a progressive for supporting personal liberty while progressives will hate you and call you a conservative for supporting economic liberty.
Except the hicklib pederast is a Democrat apologist, so this doesn't really apply to him.
So has it been, so shall it always be.
It's just sad that several conservatives who frequent this libertarian website aren't any more sophisticated about it.
Cite?
That's where package-dealing lands the gullible.
You and sarcasmic missed the part where the Democrats are authoritarian when it comes to race-based policies like affirmative action. So no, you both are wrong.
Fascists are socialists are Democrats.
But you're a fucking idiot.
Fascism is a classic right wing political sickness. It's why Neo Nazis and skinheads love the GOP.
Left = equality
Right = racial/ethnic superiority
Communism is a left wing sickness.
Fascism branched off of socialism dipshit. It is only "right wing" in the euro sense of having a single strong head of government hearkening back to the euro's love of monarchy.
Correction:
Left = Secular looters
Right = Mystical looters, whether for Jesus or Moe-hammed.
See ravenshrike's reply above. The left-wing are not for equality--read Thomas Sowell's takes on equity and equality and why they're not as the Democrats claim they are.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. Turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
No you don’t. Do they call you a pedophile? Or have you not posted CP dark web links for your fellow travelers?
Wikipleadia describes living objectivists as "atheists." It describes no living communist as any such thing. Why?
That's easy, Wikipedia aims for a narrative and not the entire truth, and you have fallen for their tactics.
"Unfortunately conservatives these days are about race first and then race and race in that order."
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaahahah
More laughable gaslighting from the shameless Democrat hack who claims reparations for slavery is only an issue in American politics because *Republicans* won't stop talking about it. Dems, he insists, don't even care.
Meanwhile his side cannot stop lavishing praise and awards on race-obsessed fanatics like Coates and Kendi and NHJ.
What a weird thing to claim. Here we are when the left has gone all in on racial justice silliness and it's conservatives who are race obsessed?
should have edited his post before anyone read that.
Since when is race essentialism a conservative thing?
Maybe when they start making the rest of us pay reparations, it’ll all get better.
What an idiot.
When they start paying reparations, the "black" population will suddenly skyrocket.
Race based killings are the province of socialist white supremacy groups like the Klan. Founded and run by democrats. So those are classic leftist race based killings.
Now quit wasting your time here and get on with your suicide.
Right and left are both looter collectivists. One kills for Jesus or Allah and the other for equality of outcome for the unemployable.
You'd be mistaken. Many Christians and Muslims are law-abiding citizens, while communists want government to be in full control of economic goods. Religion doesn't require governmental control while communism does.
Lose your anti-Christian and Islamophobic sentiment and repent.
Was Hale motivated by…
What she says she was motivated by in her “manifesto”, the impulses that drove her to murder children, and the lies she told herself to justify her actions are very likely three different things.
^^
I'd like to see them. And I'd like to see the ravings of the Syrian child-stabber recently stalking France under a Swedish grant of political asylum. Did any mainland Kleptocracy papers cover that event?
Probably because the event didn’t happen (at least in the way you claim it did), as many of your ramblings have demonstrated.
A media organization casting stones about public trust is hilarious. Personally I don't see a reason to hide this unless there is a large concern about it inspiring a broad swell of trans and trans allies as shooters given how detached from reality they are.
The fear of copy-cat killers (henceforth to be known as FOCCK) is a totally bogus excuse. Although I have no doubt that there have been many crimes committed by perps who were imitating previous crimes, there is no possible legal justification for hinging any government action on that possibility, and there’s zero evidence that it would work anyway!
That's not the concern.
The concern likely is that it word-for-word matches stock leftist rhetoric, and maybe goes further in saying the quiet part out loud.
I don’t think there is a quiet part. Her own perceived victimhood motivated her.
It’s one of those victimhood narratives that completely escapes laursens notice even though it got children murdered.
If someone on the right bitches about Twitter censorship he’s all over it, though. Dudes got priorities.
Most of all, media are entitled to any material that they can spin into narratives and use to sell subscriptions, right?
For sound economic perspective go to https://honesteconomics.substack.com/
So what's in those writings the pols do not want us to know about? What are they hiding? What are they covering up? What do they fear?
The FIB's Behavioral Analysis....right. Like we can trust those guys. Not.
So this entire episode is being covered up by certain people with their own agenda, in fear that some people might react poorly? Maybe so and maybe not.
The fact is the government in Washington is doing everything it can to cover for that mentally disturbed female, who by the way is no longer female, she's dead.
So just continue to ask yourself, why the cover up? What are they hiding? What's their agenda? You can bet that none of the reasons are good.
I've been guessing that it contains stories of being harassed and bullied that would be very, very unflattering to the parents of the students and to the school itself.
If that were the case they would have been released within hours, because it backs the "trans people are in danger" narrative.
Hale hadn't attended the school in YEARS, so no amount of bullying in the past justifies killing current students........
Several excerpts from her journals *were* released within hours. And it all pointed to her being crazy, and her craziness was used to disparage transgender people collectively.
Trannies are profoundly unbalanced people. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t be trannies. People like you, Marxist democrats, agitate this mental instability with your leftist activism. So these shooters were all enabled by you and your fellow travelers.
The blood of those children is on your hands Mike. This is of you.
That is on-brand for the mystical prohibitionist wing of The Kleptocracy, the one that appoints judges wholesale.
You are mistaken. If anything, the selective portion fits into the media's narrative that ElvisIsReal mentioned, as the rest of the document would likely make things look worse for the media. Mike Laursen is not telling the entire truth.
If anyone else wants to refute libertariantranslator, be my guest.
"So this entire episode is being covered up by certain people with their own agenda, in fear that some people might react poorly? "
In a couple of days or weeks there'll be another mass murder and we'll have something else to distract us.
"So just continue to ask yourself, why the cover up? "
I don't think there's any mystery to this. To protect people with no relation to the crime from retaliation. Like the Sikhs who were attacked and even murdered in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks. People get angry and seek others to target for revenge. The Sikhs who were murdered played absolutely no role in the 9/11 attacks.
It is biased language to call not releasing Hale's journals a "cover up".
It is also accurate.
What would the big secret that they are covering up be? Like Hale was turned transgender by a secret government lab or something?
No, that people like you filled her head with the nonsense notion that she could be a dude first, and then what a victim she was, second.
She murdered children. Maybe if you idiots hadn’t humored her delusions you wouldn’t have this blood on your hands.
A LOT of effort goes into keeping Hitler's speeches out of public view. They drip Old Testament vengefulness and New Testament newspeak, just like today's Grabber Of Pussy altruists.
That's because Hitler's speeches had nothing of what you claim they have. You can't hide something that is non-existent!
Hiding the truth to protect favored constituencies. How not libertarian of you.
Because surely you have never advocated hiding anything or everything that might "protect people with no relation to the crime" before this moment.
Care to explain why?
Nevermind, your dishonesty is already too obvious now.
"Care to explain why?"
I already explained why. To protect innocent people from intemperate and misguided revenge seekers. If you want me to elaborate more than I have already, just ask.
No further bullshit required; you've already dug a hole quite deep enough.
Claims of 'protecting' un-named people from un-named crimes at some un-stated future time is not sufficient reason to withhold public information, statist shit.
“….to protect people with no relation to the crime from retaliation…”
Lol. Yeah, like little kids?
Idiot.
Could be she named her FBI contact in there.
This article is also a "rambling manifesto" with little correct detail. First of all, the police who are sitting on the records are NOT "supposed to protect the public" - the Supreme Court said so and any "true libertarian" would realize that the proper function of the police in America is to serve search and arrest warrants and investigate crimes. Secondly, although it might be nice for the public and criminal justice researchers to have the documents, there's a difference between desiring to review them and having a RIGHT to read them. I see the phrase "the right to know" frequently but what is the Constitutional reference, please? There's the "Freedom of Information Act" of course, and in due course no doubt the police will either respond to such a written request or a judge will decide the issue. Either way I don't see the emergency. And finally, if law enforcement officials need the documents they seized for further investigation of others who might be related in some way to the culprit, they might be able to keep them secret for a while during such ongoing investigations, but the culprit was killed during the commission of the crime and I doubt that they will ever charge or prosecute him/her in memoriam.
The responsible thing would be for someone in the department to simply leak it. If there's nothing in there, it won't be a big deal, and if it's the unhinged ravings of a mentally ill pooner screeching "TRANS LIVES MATTER!' like that freak in the Nebraska legislature did a few days ago, then it will be instructive as to how the media and their left-wing allies radicalize these people.
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Snowden, part the second.
"then it will be instructive as to how the media and their left-wing allies radicalize these people."
You're looking to these manifestos to be instructed? I think you're in for a disappointment. There may be something of value in them but I don't have much hope.
Brevik's 1500 page manifesto, "2083," which I haven't read, apparently is entirely cut and pasted from various fascist websites.
"One section of 2083 describes the ranks, organisational structure, initiation rites, uniforms, awards and medals to be used by this secret "Knights Templar" group. These parts of the manifesto – and a section in which he interviews himself, narcissistically listing his favourite music, clothes and drinks – appear to be its only original content."
You’re looking to these manifestos to be instructed? I think you’re in for a disappointment. There may be something of value in them but I don’t have much hope.
This is simply deflection.
Deflecting what from what? What is it you are hoping to learn from the manifesto?
No one needs to tell YOU what they hope to learn. Buzz off.
The pooner's motivations.
Don't quit your day job.
Right back at ya.
"Either way I don’t see the emergency. "
There's the potential for 'copycat killers,' people who are inspired by the example and decide to do their own killing. Holding back the release of the manifesto for a couple of weeks should take care of most of the copycats. You say the role of the police is to serve warrants and investigate crimes. It's not their job to deter copycats.
It's certainly not their job to encourage copycats.
That ship sailed after Columbine.
Hell, that ship sailed after Laurie Dann.
My impression is that there is an increased possibility of copycats in the immediate aftermath of the event. It decreases with each subsequent news cycle.
Nobody cares about your first impression; you're a gassy ignoramus.
Hale literally dressed and kitted herself out like one of the Columbine shooters, 24 years after the event, right down the fucking backwards ball cap that Klebold wore.
Columbine is the watershed that's influenced the vast majority of these school shooters.
That ship sailed when children and teens started taking antidepressants at crazy rates. There are numerous studies showing how SSRIs increase homicidal and suicidal behaviors at all ages, and numerous studies that show SSRIs are no better than the placebo. People don’t do their research but the studies are available for anyone to read.
Over half a million adolescent children are taking antidepressants right now despite the fact there isn’t any evidence to support the theory that depression is a chemical imbalance.
Very true. I’ve been saying this for over a decade. And the move to Medicare and emasculate young boys has its origins in the Department of Education, which is run by democrats. Who dominate government education.
Therefore these shootings are all the fault of democrats. Just like how they sponsor 99% of domestic terror acts through their proxies in antifa, BLM, etc..
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We didn't have that problem when LSD was legal.
We actually did. Lives were ruined with the drug.
People have a right to know what the police are up to. If they need to keep something secret to avoid blowing and investigation, fine. But when that's no longer the case, then people should be informed.
"People have a right to know what the police are up to."
The manifestos won't tell us what the police are up to. At best they will reveal the thinking of the mass murderers.
There are people who are engaged in illegal activities that maintain websites to inform the public of their actions and ideas. The one kept by the Animal Liberation Front, for example:
https://unoffensiveanimal.is/
But these mass murders are another matter, they are isolated, disparate, mentally unfit and suicidal. They don't seem to have much of an interest in 'keeping the public informed.'
Part of what they have been up to is seizing and presumably reading the manifesto.
It's not just manifestos. Facebook and Twitter accounts of mass murderers are blocked, deleted and presumably scrutinized as a matter of course.
And just how is any of that morally correct?
Pretty much this.
The police seized the documents as part of the investigation of the crimes.
The police are not private actors so once in possession of the document it becomes a matter of public record. As such there may be valid justifications for withholding release of the document - e.g. to not compromise an active and ongoing investigation, or to avoid unduly influencing a future trial, etc.
But none of those apply here. So the public's right to know what they police have done, and learned during this investigation demands that the document be released and released unredacted.
"Whatever is in the writings, the public has the right to see them."
Is there a website that gives us easy access to the manifestos of mass murderers? Reason mentioned the manifesto of Brenton Harrison Tarrant as being something we can all benefit from having access to but the link provided only links to a Reason article which gives only brief quotes from the manifesto, but otherwise no manifesto. It's odd that Reason is calling out for wider public access to the manifestos but seem squeamish about actually pointing them out.
If the public is served by widely disseminating these manifestos then Reason should be doing their bit by linking to them.
Is there a website that gives us easy access to the manifestos of mass murderers?
The New York Times.
One manifesto. 30 years ago. paywall. Is that the best we can do?
Idiot.
I'm not sure what's idiotic. Are these mass murder manifestos worthy or wider public attention or not? If you have an opinion on the matter, you are free to share it. Don't be shy or feel the need to hide behind insults.
Here's an idea - google "manifestos of mass murderers" if you're so inclined. I don't want that in my search history.
I tried something along those lines. No manifestos, I'm afraid. Just a bunch of links similar to ones in this Reason article which selectively quote tiny fragments:
"to ensure the existence of our people and a future for white children."
"choosing to invade our lands live on our soil and replace our people."
etc.
My question is if Reason believes the manifestos have value, they should provide links to the original documents in full. Let the readers judge for themselves, is all. I don't see anything idiotic in that.
Unicorn Abattoir and ElvisIsReal has shown you guys examples of manifestos being published, and yet here you are, pretending they didn’t fulfill your request. You are being delusional right now. Knock it off.
Which of course reminds me that Germany bans manifestos of mass murderers. So no one knows why they keep invading Poland.
It works. Bert Hoover used the Moratorium on Brains to distract the world's largest-by-far exporter of heroin while fastening the China's pet Narcotics Limitation Convention on, you guessed it, Germany, in June 1931. That prompted German Big Pharma to find a belligerent xenophobe to support, get Germany (like Japan) out of the League of Nations and prohibitionist Versailles Treaty, and ramp up rearmament. It sure fooled the rubes. And Germans aren't keen to admit their national cartel elevated Hitler any more than Americans are eager to admit Hitler was as Christian as Nixon, Wallace, Falwell or Trump. Lying sometimes works.
I suggest you read "Hitler's Table Talk", which refutes the claim that Hitler was Christian:
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1929631057/reasonmagazinea-20/
Hoover also had nothing to do with the Moratorium on Brains. You cannot get your history correct.
True dat.
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/buffalo-shooters-manifesto-a-confused
It was simple to find the Buffalo shooter's manifesto. Wonder why?
That's no link to the manifesto. That's a website which only quotes fragmentary excerpts. It's simple to find such treatments. Reason does this with the New Zealand mass murder, as I've already pointed out.
Well, fuck it, I tried to post a page of links based on the google term: Buffalo shooter manifesto, and I ended up in moderation hell.
Suffice to say, it was full of NPR, NBC news, counter terrorism links, the Atlantic et. al doing an analysis of the racist shit in the buffalo shooter’s manifesto.
When one googles “nashville shooter manifesto”
100% of the links are about how or why it shouldn’t be released, or stories about how the family and the government is fighting the release.
That right there tells you about how differently these two incidents are viewed by both major media and elite policy wonks.
"That right there tells you about how differently these two incidents are viewed by both major media and elite policy wonks."
I'm not sure what you are arguing about. I don't see any families or governments fighting for the release of any mass murderer's manifestos. I can't find any links to manifestos of any recent mass murderers. I could get you something from Kaczynski or Solanas, if you are interested, and you could benefit from a look at their work. They put a lot of thought into their manifestos and they are a lot more than just cut and paste jobs from fascist websites. I don't know what you're expecting from our more recent mass killers. They seem disturbed, unfit, with little valuable to tell the public. I appreciate you desire to have the ability to get access to these documents, free speech and all that, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. They are almost certainly filled with self serving, hateful and banal cliches.
They’re also leftist. And that doesn’t work for your democrat friends.
It works for all of my friends.
No it doesn't. Doesn't help that you've been given links to manifestos of murderers and yet here you are, covering your ears and putting your head inside the sand and pretending otherwise.
Good to know that you admit your friends are Democrats, there's that at least.
Timothy McVeigh's manifesto
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/may/06/mcveigh.usa
Ted Kaczynski's manifesto
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/unabomber/manifesto.text.htm
The right, maybe.
But giving a national platform for any wacko with a manifesto, for committing some heinous crime, seems like a bad idea.
You know who else was a wacko with a manifesto?
why now, Ted?
Moses?
A failed Austrian artist?
Karl Marx
If we are going to argue for the suppression of anything to "protect people with no relation to the crime" then Karl Marx should be at the top of the list.
MiniTrueMan hardest hit.
That book would have been so much better if his great great nephew Groucho wrote it. Funnier too. The jokes in Karl’s book weren’t very good. Even though the whole thing is ultimately a joke.
Pat Robertson?
"seems like a bad idea."
In these days of cancel culture, perhaps. But in the past manifestos of Ted 'unabomber' Kaczynski and Warhol shooter Valerie Solanas (SCUM manifesto) were widely disseminated, translated in other languages, even adapted and made into comics, music and movies.
So why did you pretend you can't find manifestos?
>>David Rausch referred to Hale's documents as "'ramblings' rather than writings
all the more reason. release the ramblings.
We already saw several excerpts. For example, her drawing of Jack from The Shining. There was nothing of great insight to be learned from anything we saw. They just pointed to, "She was nuts."
>>excerpts.
exactly.
So? Why is it so important to see much more of the same?
excerpted is no way to proceed through anything in life.
Other than prurient interest what is it you hope to get from a released Audrey Hale manifesto?
Assumed without evidence
I asked a question. Where was there any assumption.
Uh huh. ‘Nothing to see here’.
Gen. Turgidson: "'...through the purity and essence of our natural fluids. God bless you all.' Then he hung up. We're still trying to figure out the meaning of that last phrase, sir."
President Muffley: "There's nothing to figure out General Turgidson. This man is obviously a psychotic."
If only your claims were true. If only.
It is so obviously a deranged call to violence for trannies that i basically dont even need to read it to be honest.
and this is clearly why they wont show it.
Ah, whistling in the dark without carrying a tune...
Wow. This is a hugely boring article and thread - about a nothing issue.
My three cents.
What are you going to do with the other 47 cents?
"This is a hugely boring article and thread "
Read it again. Typically in articles after mass murders the comments are defending the public's right to arms, criticizing the press for naming (and glorifying) the perpetrator, downplaying the perpetrator's political motivations etc. Here we see none of that. What we see instead are demands for the manifesto be released to the public. That's something entirely new, as far as I remember.
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There's another stock reaction to mass murders we typically see in the comments concerning other mass murders, but is absent here. That's the emphasis on how the incident is a statistical anomaly and is of no significance and unworthy of our attention. Another is to highlight the murder rates in Chicago and our 'inner cities,' and how the mass murder in question pales in comparison. There are probably other tropes one finds in the comments (and articles) that I'm missing, but this should be enough to provide you with food for thought.
Translation: Ih koodint unerstan whut tUcille wuz reporting awn, but it didnt seem vry MAGA.
If they released the manifesto and other documents the FBI would be forced to admit it was an anti-straight and anti-christian hate crime. Can't have that, it goes directly against the narrative Pudding Cup's administration is pushing.
Huh? It was obviously an anti-Christian crime, or at least an anti-Covenant-Christian-School crime. That is already evident.
But let’s say it was anti-Christian, anti-cis, anti-puppy. What does it matter what a crazy person was anti-?
because it doesn't fit the corporate media narrative that "trans kids" are under assault by the church and their own parents.
This is a case of trantifa terrorism. She was made the School, Church, and Parents were going to stop some kid from sexually mutilating hence the kids had to die.
What is the state or federal statute which says that the police have to disclose the documents? Hale is dead so her free speech rights do not exist. Thus, this is not a first amendment case. I doubt, however, that the victims have any standing to prevent disclosure.
Hmmm. So all we need to believe is that before there was a Libertarian party, entrenched straight Jesus freaks like, say, George Wallace, Richard Nixon or Dolph Hitler competed to villify, arrest and jail homosexuals. That premise would then link to the observable generalization that for every initiation of force there is unequal yet apposite reprisal force and out pops the embarrassment! Abstaining from bullying and coercing people is maybe a good way to keep them from wanting to shoot in your general direction. Abstinence CAN work!
stopping govts and groomers from sexual mutilating confused kids is hardly asking for trouble. So when thug approaches you should give him your wallet, or you if you say no you are bullying him? JC...really?
Whatever happened to the media not publicizing the names and "manifestos" of mass murderers? It's bad enough every tin-foil-hat crazy has the Reason comments section to publicize their various unhinged rants.
The problem is that the identity and motivations of mass shooters are publicized and discussed at length by the MSM when their story fits The Narrative, but not when it doesn't.
Exactly. Shreek knows that, and is just lying.
Note to foreign readers: "tin-foil-hat crazy" refers to Republican party fascisti who--like "Caudillo de Dios" Franco--seek by violence vainglory and vandalism to overturn elections they lose. Reason allows them free rein to vent here perhaps so their ravings can be outed and identified as excreta of anti-libertarian losers already expelled by other publications.
On the contrary, what you call the “tin-foil-hat crazy” are actually calling out the government and their media allies for their abysmal handling in covering the Nashville shooting event, compared to, say, the Rochester shooting event. It’s not wrong to point out the double standards they (and you) hold.
You are not speaking the truth. Repent of your evil lies and wickedness.
1) We already know to some degree what its going to say. They all but came right out and said they didn't want to release it as it might have negative effects on the LGBTQ population. Which means it a rant, having something to do with LGBTQ. 2) If this were a right wing or white supremacist or neo-nazi manifesto, it would have been publicly posted to every website known to man. Thus, we can assume that it may also espouse leftist views beyond just LGBTQ...ergo they are going to fight to keep it out of public view. Thats my guesses,
Of course they are. The democrats work round the clock to keep all the evidence of their unquenchable thirst for violence and destruction out of the public eye. Even though it’s painfully obvious.
The Zapruder film was sat upon and shat upon for long enough to fiddle with every frame before disappearing entirely! "Copies exist" is the current phrase. Actual NASA bureaucracies publish weather records so obviously tampered with a child can see the fraud. The longer this stuff stays hidden, the more likely forgeries will take its place. As in Austin: "Accept no Substitutsky!"
Here, read this:
https://poemachronicles.com/deflection/
Learn to make an argument next time.
What is the state or federal statute which says that the police have to disclose the documents? Hale is dead so her free speech rights do not exist. Thus, this is not a first amendment case. I doubt, however, that the victims have any standing to prevent disclosure.
9th Amendment?
You tell 'em, Tuccille! The Unabomber just declared a suicide was identified by his heavily-mixed-economy coercive ravings. All such material so far has proven that these whack jobs--from God's Reverend Jim (Look-Ade) Jones to Allah's Saudi WTC "terrists"--are the opposite of Libertarians. The truth does nothing to sustain the manufactured Faith that Libertarians are what the Mises Caucus and looter media make us out to be: "Extreme Right-Wang" terrorists like Ron Paul's Teatalitarian AOG girl-bulliers. This girl shooter may have wanted to "go male" by copycatting the 99&44/100% of whacko shooters that actually were XY male.
^ Anyone feel like refuting him?
The assumption by not allowing publication is the manifesto made a threat that if parents were going to stop sexual mutilation of kids then the killer, a mentally ill tranvestite was going to kill them which she did. Trantifa terrorist.