DeSantis Complains About the Weaponization of State Power. He Should Reexamine His Own Record.
If the Florida governor wants better behavior, he should model better behavior.

"You can't have one faction of society weaponizing the power of the state against factions that it doesn't like," Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis told the North Carolina Republican Party on Friday night. That's absolutely true. It's a shame he has spent much of the past year flouting that injunction himself.
DeSantis was evidently referring to the recent indictment of former President Donald Trump over the classified documents Trump allegedly removed to his home in Florida and then refused to return. "Hillary had the emails," DeSantis also said during his speech. "Is there a different standard for a Democrat secretary of state vs. a former Republican president?"
It's fair to scrutinize the standards applied to prominent members of the different parties, and it's right to ask the justice system not to give preferential treatment to either side. It's also reasonable to question whether the law under which Trump is being charged should exist at all or should be used the way it historically has been, including to prosecute government whistleblowers.
But DeSantis ought to reevaluate his own record as governor in light of the principle he articulated Friday night. No two cases are ever identical, but wielding state power for political reasons is a rule-of-law violation that inexcusably undermines the legitimacy of our liberal order. That's just as true when the target is a former president as when it's a private company exercising its First Amendment right to free expression.
DeSantis has repeatedly admitted to using state power to retaliate against the Walt Disney Company for criticizing legislation signed by DeSantis last year and has otherwise threatened it for not playing nice with his administration. He has also replaced multiple members of the board of directors of a Florida university with his own political cronies, including the conservative activist-troll Chris Rufo, who in turn has bragged about ousting professors with "left-wing" views, an action the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression called flatly unconstitutional.
Among the larger "New Right" (of which DeSantis is considered a leading member), the idea that conservatives should get comfortable "wielding public power in muscular fashion to reward friends and punish enemies" has become a popular refrain. One can hardly imagine a more explicit endorsement of the use of government as a political weapon.
If DeSantis, who announced his presidential candidacy last month, really believes it's a problem to "have one faction of society weaponizing the power of the state against factions that it doesn't like," he owes it to the people whose vote he's asking for to model good behavior himself—and to speak out when his co-partisans, not just his opponents, are in the wrong.
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I detest that the "Libertarian" response has been:
1) It isn't at all a double standard - Ilya Somin
2) It's in fact a very serious crime that Trump did - Sullum
3) DeSantis is obviously politicking here with Crocodile Tears - Soave
4) In fact, even if it is true that the State is being Weaponized against political rivals, the real problem is that DeSantis does it - Slade.
Nevertheless, this is the problem I had when DeSantis began his campaign against Disney. Blue Bubble Twitteratti that faint wiggle room they need to avoid actually talking about the real story: that the state is being unfairly weaponized *at the Federal Level* against Trump.
Even if we accept that DeSantis is a hypocrite here, so what? If he is a hypocrite it is because he is objecting to an even worse abuse of state power against political rivals.
Slade says that it is "reasonable to question whether the law under which Trump is being charged should exist at all or should be used the way it historically has been" before launching on her diversionary critique of DeSantis. I have seen numerous Reasonistas mention this question, as a matter of throat clearing before they launch on some other tangent. But for all those articles where "Libertarians" acknowledge that it might be libertarian to question this bald faced, obvious, double-standard, political prosecution, I have seen none of the "Libertarians" ACTUALLY spend time asking that question, rather than handwaving it away.
Sigh.
^+1
We need Overt as the antidote to the Reasonista Koch crew articles.
Lol
"Blue Bubble Twitteratti that faint wiggle room they need to avoid actually talking about the real story"
LOL
They literally invent fictional stories and pretend they're real.
But, sure, keep virtue signaling about eunuch "principles"
Even if we accept that DeSantis is a hypocrite here, so what? If he is a hypocrite it is because he is objecting to an even worse abuse of state power against political rivals.
"Don't hate the player, hate the game" is the most appropriate response. Like I said yesterday, "principles" are a political luxury in a high-trust, culturally homogenous society. This holds double for those that aren't being subverted by the latest flavor of marxist activist, who literally believe in exercising double standards, have no shame in executing it, and will use that adherence to principle by their opponents to jawbone them into not resisting their own agenda, either through accelerationism or salami tactics.
Unfortunately, the ultimate lesson of the last 50 years or so is that the left absolutely cannot be given a single inch, and that no compromise with them should be considered.
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One side cheers while the other cries no fair.
*snore*
And one more side watches as the whole thing hurtles to the edge of a cliff, wondering how this is all going to turn out.
Say what?
You’ve got two teams duking it out, fans cheering them on, and then a bunch of people who don't cheer for either team. They’re not a side. That’s like saying atheism is a religion.
You cheer for a team dumdum. Want me to pull up any Biden article and start posting your comments about how bad the GOP is?
As though he cares, or will feel any shame, over your demonstration that he's a hypocritical little bitch.
"They’re not a side."
Sure. They are just nihilists who don't care that gladiatorial, scorched earth politics is becoming the norm. Obviously, if you have a problem with that, you must be on a Team.
Might as well be herding cats.
You don’t get to look down on anyone.
He’s a gutless pussy who’s afraid to face me after his threats. Four months now and counting.
Sarc is a broken, drunken cunt.
Not even "little Sarcasmic", since that would mean that it was visible past his gut. Hey, just like that pannis-laden tranny that got off for indecent exposure recently, since his junk was hidden by the rolls.
I know Jeff's obese but I always thought Sarc was meth-head skinny.
You'd have better luck herding libertarians.
One side wasn’t doing a Covid crackdown.
LOL.
Meh. A story about a Republican being as bad as a Democrat is like a story on the wetness of water.
I slightly prefer the (R) camp governors in part because of their handling of lockdowns and avoiding most of the COVID tyranny.
Since I work in higher education, the turn-about-is-fair-play with "ousting" (read: not renewing a temporary contract) brings a smile to my face. Maybe the writer of this "article" would be happy to chat with me about my experiences as a classical liberal in higher education and then compare that to not renewing a temporary contract.
Yes, it was horrible when DeSantis indicted his opponent during the governor's race. Oh, wait...He removed a corporations special tax status and replaced some university administrators.
The Florida legislature removed 6 special districts, 5 of them immediately reformed under Chapters 189 and 190 which every other special district in the state operates under. Disney and RCID however tried to play games and give all RCID's, a government entity, development powers to Disney under a King Charles clause at the 11th hour. It was not Disney's special district however. It was Reedy Creek a distinct GOVERNMENT entity. Multiple special districts in the past were nullified because they were controlled by a single entity, and RCID signed multiple tax free municipal bonds(Over a billion dollars worth) swearing up and down that they were a separate and distinct entity from Disney.
Ugh.
Phew, the circle is complete.
And it's a perfect square.
The Square Triangle
Libertarians for special carve outs and priveleges for large, politically connected corporations. Good to see Steph steadfastly promoting the murilation of children and those that push for such.
What part of Mexicans pot and ass sex was unclear? It’s in the masthead.
Reason has picked up the flag for justifying child sexual mutilation it seems...Nick thinks it is just a "phase" and not a hill to die on. I mean what difference does it make if we all hold hands and tell each other the Earth if Flat and a Man can really become a Woman. And being forced to celebrate that..not a big deal right Matt?
And the pot disparages the kettle...
You still don't get it, do you?
Fucking morons. The only way that the Florida legislature has possibly caused harm to Disney itself is if they were committing over a billion dollars in tax free municipal bonds securities fraud. Otherwise they could have just chosen to reorganize the special district under chapters 189 and 190, just like the other five special districts affected by the law did.
We get it. You hate anyone who threatens the left. Tbh, DeSantis is self-immolating in some ways already so the silly attack articles are unnecessary, unimportant, and only serve to highlight your own lack of principles.
Slade, how about actually showing real concern about the outright banana republic bullshit the federal government is engaging in instead of freaking out over a muted response in opposition. Go get a job at Salon.
Devout Catholic pro-lifer Stephanie Slade is so disappointed with DeSantis that, if he wins the nomination, she just might have to vote for the abortion-until-birth party.
Again. 😉
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Just in case anyone is wondering, Sandra isn't actually implying that Slade has any principles, she's just mocking Slade for her lack.
Because Slade has no principles.
Sandy is also a TDS-addled steaming pile of shit, so Sandy's comments are ALWAYS suspect.
Stuff your TDS up your ass, Sandy. Your head is begging for company.
While its appropriate to rebuke her when she’s on that topic it does little here but poison the thread.
I don’t get the genuflecting to the anti-Trump brigade in the comments here with the mandatory prefaces “I dont like Trump. but..”” I didnt vote for Trump but…” “Trump is an A-hole buy..” (I find that kind of thing unnecessary to state the thought you want to state) BUT what is then stated should still be evaluated on its own merits.
Ask yourself – do you have anyone close in your life that you agree with in EVERYTHING?? People are annoying all the time – even ones we care about. I personally think Sandra is way off balance in her visceral anti-Trump, anti-Trump supporter attitude but definitely is correct in a crap load of other areas.
Being anti-Trump doesn’t impeach her credibility in other areas [IMO] it just makes her super annoying when she goes all psycho on that topic.
I’m guessing you two agree more than you disagree although I know its hard not to
react
I don't besmirch Ms Slade her beliefs. But it is telling that of all the "Pro Life Libertarians" that Reason could potentially find to write about the subject, they found the one that was so Pro Life that she was willing to vote for the party promising to pack the courts in order to eliminate the conservative majority that was about to deliver on that pro-life agenda. smh
I believe the premise of this article is false from the start. If you are trying to assert that DeSantis is weaponizing the power of the state against factions his faction doesn’t like then this is a mischaracterization. It says right near the beginning of the piece that every case is different, but as far as I know DeSantis has not criminally investigated or charged politicians from other factions for political reasons. I think that the Democrats in Congress massively and repeatedly did just that. We might also question whether the GOP just now starting to use tactics against the Democrats that the Democrats have been perfecting for use against the Republicans for at least a generation makes them “just as bad” as the Democrats. Principles are wonderful things but I haven’t noticed either national party consistently following any higher principles recently or at any time during the last fifty years, so the righteous indignation level is pretty low right now.
"DeSantis has not criminally investigated or charged politicians from other factions for political reasons"
It's disingenuous to pretend that DeSantis hasn't weaponized the government against those he considers his enemies. He pushed a bill that would get rid of Reedy Creek until he realized that it would require Florida to take on the bonds Disney used to build infrastructure. So he had the bill rewritten so Disney would retain the debt while Florida took control. Then Disney signed a deal, completely legally, that would have prevented DeSantis' vengeance squad from kneecapping Disney. So DeSantis immediately had a bill written and passed that specifically targeted that agreement and made it invalid.
If that doesn't rise to the level of "weaponizong the state", I don't know what does. And he did all of that because someone spoke out against a bill he supported.
Regarding Trump and the insinuation that he is being prosecuted for political reasons, the level of comfort the right has with the sharing of war plans and nuclear secrets with random, unvetted people for no valid reason is extremely disturbing. National security used to be a bipartisan concern. Now, the Republican's "unless Trump does it" exception has even reached national security.
Fantastic example of willful blindness right here!
What a moron. RCID was a government entity. A government entity which swore up and down in every single one of those bonds that it signed that it was a separate and distinct entity from Disney. There was nothing stopping Disney and the other 30% of landowners in the RCID from reforming another special district under chapters 189 and 190 just like the 5 OTHER special districts affected by the law passed. If Disney was the only one controlling RCID then that means Disney and RCID were in a conspiracy to commit over a billion dollars in securities fraud and defrauded the state of Florida.
"What a moron..."
You are entirely too kind. Nelson is a fucking TDS-addled ignoramus.
Well, he's Jeff's sockpuppet, so as expected.
"RCID was a government entity"
What are you talking about? It was the opposite.
"There was nothing stopping Disney and the other 30% of landowners in the RCID from reforming another special district under chapters 189 and 190 just like the 5 OTHER special districts affected by the law passed."
You mean the ones that requires the government to allow it to be reformed? So, yes. There was a huge thing preventing that from happening. Or a small thing, since DeSantis is a small (and petty) man.
"a billion dollars in securities fraud"
Securities fraud? How ignorant can you be of what securities fraud entails?
"defrauded the state of Florida"
By having to keep the debt they incurred developing yhe infrastructure in RCID? You are clueless, aren't you?
Fucking christ you're retarded. Go read one of those municipal bonds. RCID explicitly states that they are a government entity not controlled by Disney. If the level of reading is too complex for you, consider taking remedial English classes. Either way, fuck off.
“Regarding Trump and the insinuation that he is being prosecuted for political reasons, the level of comfort the right has with the sharing of war plans and nuclear secrets with random, unvetted people for no valid reason is extremely disturbing.”
No valid reason, my ass. The whole reason they "got" Trump was that he was disproving the lies of a sitting General. That General was lying to the public, including Bob Woodward, and insisting that Trump tried starting a war with Iran. But Trump's documents show that it was in fact the General who tried getting us into a war with Iran, not Trump. Trump was revealing to the world that a sitting public official had tried getting us into a shooting war with Iran, and had been narrowly stopped.
I don’t know about “the right” but a few years ago, this was distinctly un-troubling to libertarians.
It is absolutely embarrassing to see ostensible Libertarians suddenly flip flop on this. When it was Snowden or Manning indiscriminately releasing national secrets to the entire world- including enemies of the country with a sworn mission to do American Citizens harm- that didn’t matter. These laws shouldn’t exist. The government was crossing lines it must not cross to get the "bad guys". That was important information to have. And whether you like the man or the motive violating them, it didn’t matter. And yet here we are.
"Trump was revealing to the world that a sitting public official had tried getting us into a shooting war with Iran, and had been narrowly stopped."
What sort of delusional conspiracy are you babbling about? Your whole post sounds like you're high on drugs (or Gateway Pundit).
Moreover, did Trump actually provide damaging info to any foreign power? NO. Nor was any info leaked or stolen.
So Trump is being prosecuted for securely handling info. And keeping it from government busybodies who were not authorized to see it.
"Moreover, did Trump actually provide damaging info to any foreign power? NO."
Which is probably why that isn't what he was charged with. And no one knows if he shared it with foreign powers, since no one knows how many people he showed them to or who those people were beholden to.
"So Trump is being prosecuted for securely handling info. "
Sure, having random, uncleared employees move documents to unlocked and publicly accessible areas like ballrooms and bathroome to hide them from those who were legally responsible for them is co.pletepy secure. As is showing them to random, uncleared people. Those are clearly part of the protocols for handling military secrets.
"And keeping it from government busybodies who were not authorized to see it."
The National Archives are.literally the people who are authorized to retain those records.
Do your really believe this nonsense?
Was it “weaponizing the state” when Florida created the Reedy Creek special district in the first place? DeSantis was criticizing misusing the power of the state to attack members of the other party, not using the power of the state to favor or disfavor corporations or change the state policies concerning public education or vice. This article is about DeSantis practicing himself what he’s preaching against, not about the power of the state per se. If you don’t see the difference, it doesn’t surprise me at all.
"Was it “weaponizing the state” when Florida created the Reedy Creek special district in the first place?"
Was it created to punish a political critic? Then no, it wasn't.
"This article is about DeSantis practicing himself what he’s preaching against, not about the power of the state per se."
Yes, it's about the factbthat DeSantis is a hypocrite. It's also about the power of the state. They aren't mutually exclusive.
If you have a "smart home" mainly run by Amazon/Echo interconnected devices... get accused of racism? Your home appliances are now shut down.
Yeah, that was absolutely insane.
"You might have been racist so we're going to shut down all your appliances, home electronics and lights for a week while we investigate..."
*One week later*
"I guess it was an mistake, here's your house back"
No apology, nothing. Even if he had been actually racist they had no right to do what they did, but the fact that it was an error makes it a dozen times more egregious. This is ESG in action, folks.
Anyone using Alexa and Amazon needs to seriously find another solution.
Same with government cryptocurrency.
Just spent a month in UK and Ireland. They are almost cashless societies. Step out of line and you could easily be unpersoned- removed from the ability to do anything. Add political motivations and you have 1984. Or China 2023.
Wait really? Holy shit. I'm so glad I've been according smart homes.
I grew up in Idaho and used to be a conservative thinker and voter. This is why I no longer am.
The GOP has abandoned any principles it once held and seemingly no longer has any interest in governance. I support the GOP as an opposition party to reign in the Democrats worst impulses but presently, there are no candidates on the right who consistently demonstrate principles that represent my views.
I wish other recovering conservatives would embrace that intellectual honesty.
Democrats worst impulses
*Looks around at the state of things*
Can you give me any examples of those "worst impulses"?
Mutilating the sexual organs of children, demanding trillions of dollars in reparations be paid by people who were never slave owners to people who were never slaves, and pedophilia.
Sorry, I realize you weren't asking me.
COVID lock downs.
Armed-Theft of those 'icky' people for the 'special' people.
Building identity-politics that pack Gov-Guns (gangster guns).
Refusing to enforce national invasion prevention.
Or just summary the entire worst thing about Democrats.
They openly admit (and do) whatever it takes to conquer the **CONSTITUTIONAL** Union of States (USA) and implement [Na]tional So[zi]alism Regime.
Rand Paul? Tom Massie? If not those two I'm not sure what you mean? I hope you are not a Dick Cheney Conservative
Except for his stance on foreign wars, Rand Paul is a sellout. He's been trading on his father's well-earned reputation his whole political life. He's a fraud.
Massie isn't totally awful, but he's no Justin Amash.
The Rs in control are will-to-power culture warriors. The principled conservatives have been completely sidelined.
Perhaps if the principled conservatives had actually conserved anything of note in the last 70 or so years, they wouldn't have been sidelined. As it stands, 70+ years of clutching your balls and bellowing in rage, pain and humiliation isn't exactly a highlight on the resume. When you can't even conserve the ladies bathroom, what the hell good are you?
And really, who cares? The conservatives don't have a monopoly on the right, they're merely a faction. If they're replaced by more effective actors, I say Hallelujah!
Rip both the left and the half-assed "conservative" right a brand spanking new asshole, I say.
Except for his stance on foreign wars, Rand Paul is a sellout.
Reason agrees. C'mon, Rand, it's not like masks are *checks byline* just meaningless talismans! Be Reasonable!
"...Massie isn’t totally awful, but he’s no Justin Amash..."
The TDSS-addled shit-pile Nelson assumes this is a comment which might garner approval.
Up yours, you pathetic pile of shit.
"Rand Paul is a sellout."
How so?
Massie has accomplished things in life.
It is offensive to compare him to Amash.
"...but presently, there are no candidates on the right who consistently demonstrate principles that represent my views."
You're in luck! There's a droolin' imbecile currently in the WH who seems right up your alley!
Ok groomer. I see you chief complaint is that Republicans stand against marxist totalitarians at all.
Yes Alex, I'll take "Said by a Concern Troll" for $200.
"I grew up in Idaho and used to be a conservative thinker and voter."
You never grew up in Idaho and were never a conservative thinker, Mike.
You're a child molester?
Reason seems to have an issue if a conservative and more libertarian Govt than even their hero the failed hedge fund manager gay Jewish Colorado crush doesn't support either open border, abortion (ok not in this case) and of course the favorite of the Reason writers these days..child sexual mutilation.
Rufo is not a toll..but has put forth a pro liberty anti cultural marxist rational. JC..when I was at a private eastern research university, all my profs were far lefties and that was 40 years ago. And any company that pushes CRT should be targeted by govt..after all companies are targeted all the time if they are not woke by the Feds and State govt.
And I know where this is all going..waiting for Stephanie or Jacob or Scott to use the world fascist. After all DeSantis is Italian...come on you know you want to go there..
DeSantis will make a great President.
"more libertarian Govt"
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!
"Rufo ... but has put forth a pro liberty"
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!
"any company that pushes CRT should be targeted by govt."
Apparently the comedy portion of the post is over and the pro-oppression and pro-dictator advocacy (based on complete ignorance of CRT) has begun. Is there a word that means "oppressive, dictatorial control"?
"DeSantis will make a great President."
Of all of the people running for President (including anyone who hasn't declared yet, Marianne Williamson, and RFK Jr.) DeSantis would be the worst. Even Trump would be better for liberty and free markets.
DeSantis would be the worst. Even Trump would be better for liberty and free markets.
Agreed. Trump is literally worse than Hitler, and DeSantis is literally worse than Trump! That's why Nancy Pelosi is moving there, to fight the system from the INSIDE!
Wait, is she really moving to Florida?
Ehh, I guess not. That rumour was debunked. According to the media, Pelosi purchasing a $25 m mansion in South Florida was "false".
Knowing the media, what that likely means is she bought a $19m home, and it's in Paul Pelosi's name.
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“more libertarian Govt”
Did you have a desire other than to make clear you are a steaming pile of shit?
If so, you failed. Eat shit and die, asshole.
CRT is racial preferences, aka racism. So, yes, the government should be going after any and all organizations that embrace CRT.
You are even more clueless about what CRT is than most cultural conservatives. And I didn't that was possible, given their vast ignorance.
And I know where this is all going..waiting for Stephanie or Jacob or Scott to use the world fascist.
I sure wish they would! Another opportunity to point out that it's not fascists that are putting little boys in dresses and cutting off their dicks would not go unappreciated!
I'm a lot more worried about the people that really are putting little boys in dresses and cutting off their dicks, and it isn't the fascists. Liberals attempting to declare themselves moral superiors to fascists are only going to make fascists look good in comparison.
"You can't have one faction of society weaponizing the power of the state against factions that it doesn't like..."
Government is nothing if not a weapon to punish those who displease "society."
> “You can’t have one faction of society weaponizing the power of the state against factions that it doesn’t like…”
I'd love for this to be the case, but here we are in 2023 instead.
"Revoking special tax treatment for corporations that want to castrate kids is totally like a politically motivated prosecution of a major political opponent by the current president. Totally."
This nonsense is what "libertarianism" has come to.
No, it's what the fucking retards at Reason are misrepresenting libertarianism as. That's different. Though I'll grant that the false flag bullshit is obnoxious as shit.
If libertarians can't even keep their own flagship publication from taking a hard turn to the left, why should I believe they'd have any better luck with government?
Mises exists. This is just the same bs from the progressives who infiltrated libertarian institutions years ago
Because, of course, if DeSantis models good behavior, that'll shame the Democrats into copying him, right?
On the specifics . . .
1) If Disney wants to be treated as a private corporation, that's fine; it can accordingly eagerly and voluntarily stop operating an organ of the government of the State of Florida.
2) The fact that FIRE calls something "flatly unconstitutional" doesn't mean anything. It doesn't matter how much Earl Warren or anybody else liked the innovations of the late 19th century (whether the civil service system or the public research universities) or early 20th century ("academic freedom"), those inventions didn't retroactively rewrite the First and Fourteenth Amendments.
Here is Reason, defending protectionism.
Yes it would seem taking away special privileges previously granted and leveling the playing field for all businesses would be cheered on a by true libertarians, but then I don't think you can find even a libertarian leaning staff member on Reason.
Florida man bad, m'kay?
https://twitter.com/GranTorinoDSA/status/1668444773525381120?t=4i_7ulVi1C2QqoDT0kkN3w&s=19
"Ending the weaponization of the federal government" is the LAST thing conservatives should do. It should be weaponized against America's enemies.
DeSantis doesn't get it. He never did. He's also gay btw.
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https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1668600258740334592?t=XwIqz44WMdyFyL0GDYANGg&s=19
LAWFARE: Major law firms are requiring lawyers to give up their partnerships if they want to represent the former president fearing backlash from Democrats. Trump is scrambling to find a FL lawyer willing to join his defense team.
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After all the bullshit double standards Trump and DeSantis are held to - now Reason just blatantly lumps in something someone else said and hangs that on Desantis as some kind of guilt by association (- just like dont they do with Polis and Newsome and Biden)
That’s 50% of the case against Desantis here- something someone else said…
> DeSantis Complains About the Weaponization of State Power.
Stop! Stop! I can't breath I'm laughing so hard!
Poor, poor Stephanie, She is obviously a product of our failed education system. Please do not conflate two VERY different policies. There is a world of difference between removing "privileges" wrongfully applied, that no other company in the State of Florida receives, and "wielding state power for political reasons". If, say, the IRS eliminates Earned Income Credit (EIC), are they punishing me or are they removing a benefit that is no longer applicable?
For sound economic perspective go to https://honesteconomics.substack.com/