France's Ban on Short-Haul Flights Will Kill People
You're 2,200 times more likely to die when traveling by car as opposed to by airplane.

Too many politicians are thespians. When there's a conflict—as there often is—between appearing to solve problems and actually helping to solve those problems, politicians can almost always be counted on to put appearance over substance. Unfortunately, politicians succumb to this bias even when their theatrics make real problems worse.
Consider French President Emmanuel Macron's boast last week that his government banned many flights between cities within 2.5 hours of each other by rail. Nothing today is more en vogue than climate theatrics, sometimes at the expense of realistic, helpful policies. Macron obviously relishes the opportunity to pose as a courageous hero astride a white horse helping to save humanity from its self-destructive addiction to fossil fuels.
As pointed out by many observers, France's ban on short-haul flights is riddled with so many exceptions that the resulting reduction of carbon emissions will fall far short of what Macron wants the world to believe. Nevertheless, maybe some flights will be banned and less aviation fuel will be burned.
Hooray! At least it's something!
But before you get too excited, let me tell you about another French figure: Frederic Bastiat, an economist and statesman who was active in the middle of the 19th century. Bastiat's most famous writing is a wonderful essay titled "That Which Is Seen and That Which Is Not Seen." In it, he urged people to look beyond the immediate effects of government intervention. When you do so, and when you think about more than what government officials triumphantly trumpet, you'll often discover additional consequences that no one wishes to take credit for.
In the case of the ban on short-haul flights, it's easy to see what Macron sees and wants: more people traveling by train. Let's grant that this effect is good and then look beyond the initial claims about saving aviation fuel.
What about more people traveling by automobile? After all, rail travel isn't the only alternative to air travel, especially in France where train strikes are a regular occurrence. Denied the much greater speed of air travel, many people will opt to skip the inconvenience of buying a ticket altogether and travel by car.
One undesirable effect is a longer time spent traveling. Because people's time is valuable and could otherwise be spent working, studying or with family and friends, the cost of traveling what the French government considers to be short distances will rise. Did Monsieur Macron carefully weigh this cost against the ban's benefits? I'm pretty sure he didn't. He just assumed that people's time is of sufficiently low value to justify the flight ban. Tres arrogant!
Looking even further past "that which is seen," you'll see why any reduction in the burning of fossil fuels will almost certainly be less than what the French government hopes. Not only do automobiles, like airplanes, burn fossil fuel, but the amount burned by automobiles can be greater per passenger mile.
On average today for commercial aircraft, one gallon of fuel carries each passenger about 67.1 miles. The typical French automobile sold in 2019 gets about 42.8 miles per gallon. These facts means that if someone in France chooses to drive alone in one of these cars—say, from Paris to Nantes—rather than traveling by train, he will burn 57 percent more fuel than he would have while flying. And even if there are two people on this car trip, the amount of fossil fuel burned per person will be only about 22 percent less than if these two travelers had instead flown.
This math may still lead many readers to jump to the conclusion that at the very least, piling three or more people into a car for that same trip will be desirable. But peering one more step beyond that which is seen counsels against this. Here we finally see the most frightening "unseen" consequence of the short-haul flight ban: the likelihood of more roadway deaths.
A recent study out of Harvard University found that, for people traveling within the United States, Europe, and Australia, the chances of being killed while flying are 1 in 11 million, while the chances of being killed while driving are 1 in 5,000. Put differently, you're 2,200 times more likely to be killed when traveling by car as opposed to by airplane. By diverting some travelers from the air to the roadways, the French government will almost certainly cause more travelers to die.
Political theater, it turns out, can be deadly.
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The silence is like the violence of getting slapped in the face by the doffed glove of a French aristocrat.
Lipstick thespians?
Since flights from Paris to Marseille and Bordeaux are exempt, Macron’s ban will save most people time on major city routes, because the Grand Vitesse trains regularly hit 200 miles an hour.
When was the last time you got to an airport, though security, on a plane & off again and the drive to your destination in under 2 1/2 hours?
If you want to revive the golden age of shuttle flights, lobby for a TSA sunset law.
"When was the last time you got to an airport, though security, on a plane & off again and the drive to your destination in under 2 1/2 hours?"
The last time I flew.
No problem with general aviation, but this article is about commericial flights, and the last time I flew commericial, I was bumped for failing to check in at the counter an hour in advance.
The TSA meanies mean business about wasting 2 hours of your time on boarding
Trains and planes are incidentally in the same safety bracket- under 1 fatality per billion passenger miles, not counting the greater risk of driving to the airport or station.
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Thus the push for them to die in car accidents.
Well, if “absolute zero” starts gaining traction outside of European universities (and why wouldn’t it?), they’ll be banning all flights within the next 10 years. Including ones carrying food. And within 20 any shipping that isn’t nuclear. Oh and any new steel production or concrete.
So they’ll get there in no time once food stops being distributed past horse and buggy distances,
None. It was going to kill everyone in 12 yrs., 4 yrs. ago, until COVID cut in line.
Does that 2200x included helicopters or just airplanes? I'm guessing it doesn't.
Is that 2200x greater likelihood per passenger-mile? I suspect that it isn't - that it's over a lifetime. People spend a lot more time in cars than they do on airplanes, so the figure doesn't really apply when comparing the chances of getting killed on a particular trip. Yes, looking at the "unseen" as well as the seen is good advice in general, but its applicability here may be less than what is suggested.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/how-risky-is-flying/ is the original source, and its aviation numbers include the people on board the 9/11 planes. In a typical year (for example, excluding 2020's low numbers) there are fewer than a half-dozen deaths in commercial aviation. Apparent lessons: Don't ride trains, and leave piloting to professionals.
But from the numbers it looks like they're comparing deaths per year versus deaths per transit hour or something similar. Because flights are more infrequent they end up "safer" automatically.
Math is hard, man!
I found a 25 year old story that says that cars vs commercial flights is just about even when comparing passenger hours.
I'll drive, thanks-I at least can control my own fate that way.
""I’ll drive, thanks-I at least can control my own fate that way.""
But you don't. You can be the best driver in the world and a dumbass driving drunk can kill you.
"I’ll drive, thanks-I at least can control my own fate that way."
As long as there's a government to build your roads for you.
Or free enterprise, as used to be the norm.
Private roads can only exist with commons or public land. And then those roads are mostly land deals like US railroads back in the day. Private land requires public roads. Or massive corruption.
No it doesn't. Your lack of imagination betrays your statist slant to life.
You don't need no government to build imaginary roads.
A road with 10,000 users per day each traveling 10 miles.
Assume private land - each road-mile has 40 landowners
That's 400,000 negotiated easements every day Or more accurately zero because it won't happen. That value is provided free to every driver. Before each morning commute.
That's only going to happen with a publicly owned road. If some clown is arguing for privatized roads, then they are saying that all that value should simply be given away to the new owner.
No corruption there.
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Government doesn’t build roads. They hire private industry to build roads, they are just the middleman. There's plenty of corruption involved too.
You don’t need no government to build imaginary roads.
You do need government to build imaginary high speed rail lines.
You don't need a government to build a private high speed rail. The Dallas to Houston service is private. Granted, it hasn't been constructed yet, so there's plenty of time for government involvement. It's also based on Shinkansen technology so there definitely was Japanese government involvement along the line.
In addition, traveling by automobile allows the luxury of stopping off to pick up some of those delicious Cheese Royales made with farting, belching, global-warming causing cows which airplane travel would have obviated by the simple expedient of having the drive-through lanes too narrow to accommodate even the narrowest of narrow-body aircraft.
2.5 hrs by rail is probably 90 mins by car.
It really depends on the system. Amtrak is probably the worst run passenger rail company in the developed world.
The trip she described Paris to Nantes (237 miles) has multiple options.
Train – 2 hrs 18 min
Rideshare – 4 hrs 36 min
Bus – 6 hrs 18 min
Night Bus – 5 hrs 24 min
Car – 3 hrs 40 min
Plane – Orly – 5 hrs 18 min
Plane – deGaulle 3 hrs 15 min
Train – 2 hrs 18 min
Car – 3 hrs 40 min
But your car leaves when you are ready to, and goes directly from where you are to where you are going. How long must you wait for the train to leave? How long does it take to get to the train station? How long does it take to get from the train station to your actual destination?
"But your car leaves"
It doesn't just leave. Some schlub has to drive the thing.
There are many different options. People will make different choices. Why are you pissed that train is an option?
The problem is that Macron and his ilk are eliminating our choices.
Our choice to get stuck in traffic behind countless delivery vans filled with snails and runny cheese? Pass.
I get the impression that neither the author of this piece nor 99% of the commenters have ever been to France. French trains are fast and reliable, and strikes while more common than in the US, are rare. Last year I went to a conference in Strasbourg by flying to Paris, then taking a TGV direct from the airport train station. The train goes 200mph, and the ride is smooth enough that you put your coffee cup down and don't worry about splashing. I would not dream of driving that route, three times as long and no fun.
"Too many politicians are thespians."
The West is suffering from a plague of theater kids.
are the french still permitted gas stoves? can you make french cuisine on an electric stovetop? have they rounded up all the gas leaf blowers? macron has a long way to go to catch up to the us climate virtue dbags
Green agenda = Soylent Green
They have already told you they can't "save the planet" with so many people on it, so they want to kill as many people as possible. Disease, war and accidents are all good methods. The elites want the whole planet to themselves, except for a few slaves to serve them.
"We should repeal The Jones Act so that US domestic shipping, subject to cabotage, more closely reflect international shipping within the EU, where goods are shipped more freely." - Reason
That which is unseen indeed.
Not following. Both things (the Jones act in the U.S. and eliminating short haul flights in France) can be bad. The Jones Act serves no legitimate purpose.
The Jones Act serves no legitimate purpose.
Sure it does, if you're one of the cronies that benefit from it.
It also gives Reason writers a fruitful narrative about how shipping interstate shipping within the US is somehow an oppressive, bureaucratic mess while shipping between Turkey and Spain, within the EU, is some sort of libertarian wet dream.
He did say legitimate.
It actually does have a legitimate purpose. It took the previous can full of shit with worms in it and put a lid on it. Which is always my point on this issue: Foregoing eating a Jones Act shit sandwich in favor of something like the 7-layer shit lasagna of EU cabotage regulation is retarded. Foregoing eating a 100 yr. old, Merchant-Marine-Act-of-1920 shit sandwich in favor of eating a larger, messier, 104 yr. old, Merchant-Marine-Act-of-1916 shit sandwich isn't really a good idea either. So what, exactly, does "Repeal The Jones Act" mean?
It's the same, stupid, absolutely zero-thought, vacuous political hucksterism as their "open borders" idiocy. They don't care if Germany or the UK are turning into shit holes because of reliance on foreign pipelines or onerous EU regulations or onerous domestic regulations any more than they care if illegal immigration still grows the welfare state (even if at a slightly lower pace than natives and legal immigrants). They don't care that barring a nuclear holocaust, Puerto Rico will be a corrupt, 2nd, or lower, class shithole for the next 100 yrs. They only care as much as they can assuage whatever white guilt they carry around or entertain whomever they're trying to impress at cocktail parties with their
(lack of) knowledgebullshit about domestic US Shipping, foreign US Shipping, EU cabotage laws, Puerto Rican Corruption and Governance, and pretty much everything up to "learning how to code".Not following.
Because you didn't read what I wrote. I didn't say The Jones Act was good or bad, I said we should repeal the Jones Act so that US Domestic shipping emulates European international shipping.
"Too many politicians are thespians. When there's a conflict—as there often is—between appearing to solve problems and actually helping to solve those problems, politicians can almost always be counted on to put appearance over substance. "
So do Reason writers.
California has mandated that all the cities reduce carbon emissions. Of course, we know that doesn't mean the CITY will reduce carbon emissions. I mean, the local police department has a hundred cars, each painted with different duties- "Accident Investigation Unit", "Evidence Collection Unit", "Community Relations Unit". We could start there. Or the city hall that is always cooled to 55 degrees. Or the dozens of ridiculous jobs, like Social Media coordinator. Each of these has a carbon footprint.
No, instead, my city voted to force every family in the city to get a new trash can for "compostable food waste". Now, you are expected to separate out the recycling, trash and food waste. This is all to reduce methane. Of course, this is all sorts of performative nonsense. Most food waste going into landfills gets buried ("sequestered") under ground. And if that methane can escape into the air, it can be burned off right there at the landfill, converting it to CO2, which is carbon neutral (when the food was grown, it took CO2 out of the air).
This is all the city just checking a box- pushing an inconvenience on everyone else.
In CA, if you're shipping compostable food waste, you should really desiccate it outside first to save weight. 🙂
"This is all the city just checking a box"
Something that every family can do, without need of government action, is to reduce food waste. I've read many sources claiming that up to 35% of the food produced goes uneaten by people. Reducing this waste would presumably be less burdensome on the environment and save consumers time and money. Yet the 35% figure doesn't seem to fall. Are families just inherently wasteful and profligate, or are there other factors driving up the number?
What’s driving up the number is that it was made up.
What is the true figure?
Maybe in wealthier households like the dipshits who write those studies. We had 6 kids around our dinner table and you could have lost a finger in the last of the hotdish (casserole for non mid westerners) wars. Egg shells were about the only thing that didn't get eaten. To be fair food was relatively a lot more spendy in the 60's. I know it was a big concern in our household, the old man was a rail engineer so made decent money at the time. The only vegetables or fruit in the winter was in a tin can.
France want you to take a train instead of flying, so Reason talks about auto travel.
Typical.
France wants you to take a train, which the article points out a lot of people won't do (and won't be able to do during any of France's endemic train strikes), so Reason talks about the other alternative, auto travel, which they will do.
Not sure why that strikes you as surprising.
Maybe because it's a dishonest redirect.
Not to worry, I'm sure Macron and his elite buddies will still be allowed to take short hops on their private planes whenever they feel like, so the only people who will be killed are the peasants. Who gives a shit about them?
"Let them eat cake," says some French broad.
Government in all countries at all levels care very little for facts and truth but rather emotion and perceived truth to gain power and control.
Entire article castigates Macron for assuming without proof, that people will take trains not cars, and then assumes without proof that people will take cars not trains. Why not wait for the data? Meet the new boss...same as the old boss...
Some assumptions are better than others.
"These facts means that if someone in France chooses to drive alone in one of these cars—say, from Paris to Nantes—rather than traveling by train, he will burn 57 percent more fuel than he would have while flying."
According to this website there are 7 ways to get from Paris to Nantes.
https://www.rome2rio.com/s/Paris/Nantes
train 2h 18m
rideshare 4h 36m
bus 6h 17m
nightbus 5h 23m
drive 3h 40m
fly (Charles de Gaulle) 3h 15m
fly (Orly) 5h 18m
The "train" and "fly" options always leave out the time getting to the train station or the airport, and the buffer time you need to leave yourself for checking in or getting through security. And the time to get a taxi or rideshare or rental car at your destination, instead of having your vehicle already with you.
"The “train” and “fly” options always leave out the time getting to the train station or the airport,"
I'm not sure what's been left out. The website isn't clear. It's about 250 kms from Paris to Nantes. If it takes only 25 minutes more to drive than to fly, then the extra times seem to be included. Planes fly at something like 10 times the speed of an auto.
I think the Orly figures are a little dubious, and not illustrative of much. A typical flight plan is as follows: Orly -> Marseilles -> Schipol -> Nantes. ie stopovers, sometimes one, sometimes more. Digging deeper I found there are direct flights from Charles de Gaulle to Nantes. The time listed is 1h 10m. This is likely to be the flight time time in the air, not including all the rest. Such a flight will cost you between MX$3000 to MX$6000. Incidentally, the train fare will be between MX$850 and MX$2500.
Also missing are the costs for each.
Let me guess, it's a ban on short haul flights for the peasants.
Look, I believe this law (and France, and Europe in general) are as stupid as the next person, but people will die is a really terrible policy argument.
Interfering in the choice of willing providers to willing customers is unforgivable, but the math in this article is even less forgivable. The 1 in 11 million and 1 in 5,000 figures cited are average annual hazards for average people. In no way does it mean that the relative risk of driving a particular route instead of flying a particular route increases by 2200.
" 1 in 5,000 figures cited are average annual hazards for average people"
My guess it's even higher for below average people, higher still for below average drivers.
How do you say "We can't let the people choose" in French?
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