German Police Investigate Roger Waters Over Concert Wardrobe
Laws against displaying Nazi-esque iconography are well-intended, but they pose a threat to free speech and the principles of a free society.

Rock musician Roger Waters, founder and onetime frontman of Pink Floyd, performed concerts in Berlin on May 17 and 18. During a couple of his former band's classic songs, Waters donned a black military-style uniform with a red armband and fired a prop machine gun into the crowd. The costume bore more than a passing resemblance to a Nazi SS uniform, though with two crossed hammers instead of a swastika.
Last week, Berlin police announced an investigation into Waters' sartorial choices and whether they constitute incitement to violence. Unfortunately, the investigation is part of a trend among European nations that cuts against the principles of a free society.
Several European nations criminalize both Holocaust denial and the display of Nazi iconography. Under German law, anyone who displays "flags, insignia, uniforms and their parts, slogans and forms of greeting" of the Nazi regime can face up to three years in prison.
Announcing the investigation against Waters, police spokesperson Martin Halweg told The Guardian, "The context of the clothing worn is deemed capable of approving, glorifying or justifying the violent and arbitrary rule of the Nazi regime in a manner that violates the dignity of the victims and thereby disrupts public peace."
The Wall, the 1979 album that Waters wrote, tells the semi-autobiographical story of a fictional rock star named Pink and his descent into madness. Near the end of the album, a drug-addled Pink imagines himself as a fascist dictator and his concert as a Nazi rally. He foments racist violence, siccing his audience on ethnic and sexual minorities, but when his hallucination passes, he realizes what he's done and begs them to stop.
Waters has worn the same uniform for years when performing songs from The Wall—including in Berlin. He insists that the performance is satirical. In a statement after the recent shows, Waters contended that his "depiction of an unhinged fascist demagogue" is "quite clearly a statement in opposition to fascism, injustice, and bigotry in all its forms."
Bans on the display of Nazi propaganda are surely well-intended, especially in the European nations where those sentiments had such devastating consequences. But such blanket bans have downstream consequences and clamp down on legitimate free expression. After all, the government with the authority to ban offensive speech also has the authority to decide what speech to consider offensive.
In 1961's Rockwell v. Morris, the New York Supreme Court affirmed that a neo-Nazi could not be prevented from speaking publicly. "The unpopularity of views, their shocking quality, their obnoxiousness, and even their alarming impact is not enough," wrote Justice Charles Breitel. "Otherwise, the preacher of any strange doctrine could be stopped; the anti-racist himself could be suppressed, if he undertakes to speak in 'restricted' areas; and one who asks that public schools be open indiscriminately to all ethnic groups could be lawfully suppressed, if only he choose to speak where persuasion is needed most."
In 2014, Russia passed a law that criminalized the "rehabilitation of Nazism," including the display of swastikas. The following year, a journalist was convicted and fined for posting a historical photo depicting German troops in her neighborhood during World War II. Bookstores pulled the Pulitzer Prize–winning graphic novel Maus from shelves because, although it tells the story of author Art Spiegelman's father as a Polish Jew during the Holocaust, the cover photo includes a swastika.
Regardless of the artistic merit of Waters' performance, free societies should refrain from criminalizing speech and expression, even when it's thoroughly hateful or indefensible.
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I don't care how he dresses, but he should be arrested for lip-synching.
A symbol he has used since the ‘80s.
Sid Vicious famously wore a Swastika tee shirt.
But you have to admit - Sid was an asshole.
Of course, that was the whole point.
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That's what cracks me up about this.
It's a tie in to The Wall album and he's been doing it since the 80s. Now it's a problem?
Someone needs some education.
Ve don't need no education
the investigation is part of a trend among European nations that cuts against the principles of a free society.
Said Joe Lancaster who's been asleep for the last decade.
Decade? If there were a free society that held firing blanks at a crowd of people as a principle, Germany ain’t it.
He needs a dirty woman.
Germany's anti-Nazi law is not new.
Is it dumb? Sure. But the law is known before you get there, so you have to behave accordingly.
Yeah, but he's done many concerts in Germany with the imagery from The Wall.
^ Has never listened to an entire Pink Floyd album.
#BeforeMyTime
#NeverHeardGoodMusic
>>#BeforeMyTime
no. timeless. you're missing out.
He's just Waiting For The Worms.
no "Pigs"? no "Dogs"? no "Fearless the idiot faced the crowd"??? apoplectic.
Dogs of War was a great song from the post-Waters Floyd.
yes. I liked the Division Bell stuff too.
I'd be willing to listen to ONE album by them provided it's (a) available on Spotify in the US and (b) under 60 minutes not counting bonus tracks.
Maybe I'll give Dark Side of the Moon a try.
Dark Side is a great album. And it's not as fry-trippy as some of the other albums.
shine on, you crazy diamond.
Thank you.
Live version.
oh ya.
Dark Side, Animals, Meddle, Wish You Were Here are all good and not too weird and fit your requirements (not sure about Spotify).
Animals should be a requirement ... for what idk ... but something.
Dark Side is the best one to just listen to from beginning to end as an album. With the best quality sound system that's available to you.
Great for ticking away the moments that make up a dull day. Fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
Actually, "Time" is probably one of their best.
Censorship of political or historical speech is by definition never “well intentioned”. Remember when Reason published the libertarian case for destroying confederate statues? Now we get this mealy mouth bullshit.
Depends on what you mean by destroying. If you mean vandalism and illegal destruction of public property, that is a Bad Thing. If you mean removing monuments by order of the local government (following statue-tory due process), then I'm all in favor.
It's not cool to talk about "American Exceptionalism" anymore but the US commitment to freedom generally and free speech in particular really is exceptional.
And that makes it doubly troubling that so many here seem to fail to recognize its value and seem determined to replicate the mistakes of Europe.
It’s not cool to talk about “American Exceptionalism” anymore but the US commitment to freedom generally and free speech in particular really is exceptional.
The only social construct in the world with both a 1st amendment AND a section 230.
Youropeans are the same mystical altruist collectivists they were in 1933. They doubtless fear spectators at a Judas Priest concert will turn Trilby and make the singer a new Hitler.
>>The costume bore more than a passing resemblance to a Nazi SS uniform, though with two crossed hammers instead of a swastika.
so, the costume from The Wall. idiots.
also, if everyone just ignored Rog ...
"Several European nations criminalize both Holocaust denial and the display of Nazi iconography."
Criminalizing lying? This is going to give Mizek an existential crisis.
Herr Misek already knows. He gets on here in hopes of eventually making his existential crisis into everyone else's.
And, as always, I tell him to "Fuck Off, Nazi!"
Back in the early 90s my six year old had a bunch of his friends over and l had The Wall on the stereo. When the chorus came up (We don't need no education. We don't need no thought control.) Every kid knew all of the lyrics and every one sang along. It would be a an understatement to say that The Wall was a seminal work. And the idea that it celebrates authoritarian government is the opposite of reality.
… celebrates authoritarian government is the opposite of reality.
That’s why they hate it.
"Bans on the display of Nazi propaganda are surely well-intended"
I'd argue that bans on "what we don't like today" as a means of apology for the past aren't actually well-intended. It's pretty clear that in this case all they're doing is handing the Nazis a win by gifting them exclusive use of an ancient religious symbol while pushing many eastern religions, including Hinduism, Jainism, & Buddhism to name but a very few, under the jack boot of authoritarian government. Sounds very familiar indeed.
Ah, the "Not My Jackboot" fallacy. Sockpuppets spout that a lot around here. Who else would let them?
Of course it isn't my jackboot, I have sneakers, boat shoes, and flip flops. All are far better than your fascio-socialist maschinenpistole to the head and sharpened steel cleats standing on the necks of anyone who dares disobey you.
Who else would let them?
Indeed, in a free society we needn't beg thugs like you to "let" us do anything. Oh I hear Big Brother calling, perhaps you need to get back to those loving fetters of yours.
Bans on the display of Nazi propaganda are surely well-intended, especially in the European nations where those sentiments had such devastating consequences. But such blanket bans have downstream consequences and clamp down on legitimate free expression.
Nazi propaganda is "legitimate" free expression; it's just free expression of evil and setting it free is how it gets exposed and subject to the withering scrutiny of free inquiry and free expression of the faculty of Reason and the ideas of Liberty.
And the Swastika was a symbol of superstitious "good luck" before the Nazis adopted it, so the Swastika is evil on that account too. As long as we are free to call out the Swastika for what it is, we need not fear it's use in expression.
a drug-addled Pink imagines himself as a fascist dictator and his concert as a Nazi rally. He foments racist violence, siccing his audience on ethnic and sexual minorities, but when his hallucination passes, he realizes what he's done and begs them to stop.
How can Lancaster accuse the German government of any wrongdoing when he makes the exact same mistake? He pretends there are labels on the dictator (fascist) and the rally (Nazi) that do not exist. Shake off the lefty brainwashing that authoritarianism and race-baiting is only synonymous with "nazi" and "far-right" and this problem goes away. You know who else wears red armbands and likes to machine-gun crowds? Every nation rooted in Marxism.
A couple years ago, we’re sitting around the dinner table at Grandma and Grandpa’s house when my youngest, 6-7ish, said he was done and ready for dessert. Mom pointed out that he needed to finish his dinner and that there was still some meat on his plate. Grandpa roars out “How can you have any pudding if you don’t eat your meat?!” to which my youngest replies, “There’s pudding?!”
This article feels a lot like that.
As if Millennials vs. Boomers weren’t inanely irrelevant enough, we’re getting American Millennial interpretations of Millennial German’s sensibilities of German(?) Boomers' taste in music/concert performances.
As Gen Xer, I can only hope the phrase “Oh by ze vay, vich von of your ist Herr Floyd?” was uttered unironically.
Meh. It was clearly meant to evoke Nazi imagery. Waters is a lefty and would probably endorse the description.
And yet Marxists ...
* Murdered 10-20 times as many civilians as Nazis
* Are exalted by pundits and politicians
* Academia is littered with them
I'd be a lot more impressed with German bans on Nazi insignia if they also banned Communist insignia. After all, their Nazi background only lasted 12 years, compared to 44 for their Marxist background.
The Nazi's set out to murder people. The Marxists did it through mismanagement. And they had good intentions.
It used to puzzle me why Stalin got away with murder but not Hitler. I eventually decided that Germany was a modern civilized country, with poets, musicians, scientists, industry, movies which were understandable, everything modern civilized countries have, and Hitler perverted that civilization while the world watched, with reporters and radio broadcasts covering it live; they even held the most modern Olympics and let a black man win a race or two!
Russia was backwards, still had serfs when the Bolshies took over, had been defeated by those yellow Japanese upstarts, had very little in the way of poets and musicians and general culture, and used a language you couldn't even try to pronounce, let alone understand, and Lenin and especially Stalin were rescuing the peasantry from the Czars, so they could be forgiven a few vicious rumors, which couldn't be confirmed anyway. An Olympics in Russia was unimaginable.
Eddie Izzard had a bit about how you could get away with it if it's your own people.
Pol Pot, died under house arrest. Well played sir.
"little in the way of poets and musicians and general culture"
Wait, what? Are you serious?
Marxists didn't Marxist right. Or so we are told.
The Marxists did all that with the help of the Nazis via The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. If more were educated on this fact, that would impress me.
DW, a German site, covers U.S. news better than the Kleptocracy media. They told about East German papers scanned and searchable online at https://staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/. Deep-L, also German, lets you translate bits of it into better English than the expensive Pravda translations sold back when there was a Libertarian Defense Caucus.
Germany isn't and has never been, a free country. Like the UK, the powerful used to allow the proles a bit more leeway but they don't do that anymore.
Separating the art from the artist. Pink Floyd has made some great music, AND Roger Waters is a colossal asshole.
So I understand, the other members of the ban would fully concur. What is especially asshole-y about Roger Waters is him equating Nazism with Israel. Talk about Orwellian.
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It makes me wonder if the government is just trying to memory hole the whole episode so society will forget sooner. I mean it would be really hard to implement their nouveau national socialist regime if everyone remembered history and recognized it so they don't repeat the mistakes of the past.
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