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College

No, the Average College Grad Wasn't Making $100,000 in the 1980s

Not only is that claim factually incorrect, but it's also wrong to be so pessimistic about young people's economic future.

Emma Camp | 5.8.2023 5:32 PM

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On Monday, a TikTok video showing a startling decline in the average income of young college graduates since the 1980s went viral. In the video, a young woman compares the supposed average salaries of recent college grads in 1982 and 2022. She claims that "the average college grad in 2022 is making $55,260," while "in 1982, the average college grad was making $102,200" in today's dollars. She adds, "This sentiment being held by boomers of, 'Oh, well, they're just expecting too much,' I just don't think they know what numbers they're talking about."

However, her claims are simply wrong. Not only does the average college graduate today earn more than their 1980s counterparts, but they're also graduating into the most robust labor market in decades.

It's not clear where exactly the young woman sourced her claims about relative college graduate salaries from, though Jeremy Horpedahl, an economics professor at the University of Central Arkansas, suggested on Twitter that it could have come from a 2007 table published by the National Center for Education Statistics.

According to the table, the average recent college graduate in May 1981 earned $15,200 per year—which is just over $51,000 in 2023 dollars. However, the video states that the average recent college graduate actually made $33,700 per year, which she claims amounts to over $100,000 in today's dollars. Her error, it seems, may have come from misreading the table, which lists $33,700 as the May 1981 salary for recent college graduates when adjusted to 2006 dollars.

In fact, rather than finding themselves much poorer than their boomer or Generation X parents, recent college graduates seem to be making more on average than college grads 40 years ago. According to the National Center for Education Statistics, the average 25- to 34-year-old with a bachelor's degree made $59,600 in 2020. For those right out of college, the National Association of Colleges and Employers reported that the average starting salary of a 2021 college grad was $58,862.

However, the video's rapid spread indicates more than the gullibility of the average Twitter or TikTok user. It also indicates a pervasive, yet unwarranted pessimism in many young people who seem to think that landing a good entry-level job is all but impossible in today's economy.

"I think boomers just have such a hard time conceptualizing this because they never had to fight for jobs," the young woman in the video says. "They were at the upswing of technology, they were at the upswing of big business, capitalism was booming, and then they look at us and they're thinking…entitled."

But that description actually matches far better to the current economic situation than the one of 40 years ago. Not only is tech innovation booming, but it's also simply much easier to get a job in 2023 than it was in the early '80s. In 2023, the unemployment rate is at a 50-year low—3.6 percent average in 2022 as opposed to an average of 9.7 percent in 1982. For college graduates, the unemployment rate is even lower—just 2.5 percent on average in 2022.

While it can be easy to get bogged down by messages that the economic reality for young people is bleak, the truth is that, at least on the metric of average salary, the world is bright for recent college graduates—and anyone else looking for a job for that matter.

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  1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

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    3. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      In the ‘80’s, you were considered to be doing well in your career if your salary was 1,000 times your age..

      1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

        Through most of the 80 ‘s, you could buy a decent home for $50k, and a really nice house for $100k where I live.

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          And $10 / hour was excellent pay.

          1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

            A two income household, with both members making $10/hr. could live quite comfortably as homeowners, in eastern Washington back in 1985.

    4. Nardz   2 years ago

      FBI has them writing fake shooter manifestos now...

      https://twitter.com/ploughmansfolly/status/1655700010414096384?t=yO7BVReGI-VKTu94a65KGA&s=19

      There is precisely a zero percent chance that a Mexican Neo Nazi illegal immigrant to the United States wrote this.

      [Link to supposed letter posted by shooter in Allen, TX]

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        https://twitter.com/thuleanrevenant/status/1655720713494360064?t=gRcs-XScPpAj5dM6tDeaXw&s=19

        Notice this gets an online rightwing trope slightly wrong - “fake and boring” instead of “fake and gay.” Then the final paragraph is gushing praise of the trans Nashville mass shooter.

        Girlboss fed unable to say something homophobic or resist praising a transgender person

        1. Nardz   2 years ago

          "It’s like what an ABC teen-sitcom writer would make up for a Whiiiitee Nationalist role."

          ""Vagina haver" (is this how incels talk?) "Pick themselves by the bootstraps" (using boomer neocon verbiage) this is 100% manufactured"

          "The mention of Valerie Solanas, "sex worker", writer of the SCUM manifesto (also shot Andy Warhol). 100% guarantee a woman with a graduate degree wrote this. She might as well have included "trauma is stored in the body"."

          "Notice the interspersing of redditisms “horrible person” with incel vocabulary “foid” chosen from a list probably, with humanities student staples like “banality” and “schadenfreude”. Also filler words like “so…”. I determine it was written by a white woman in her mid 30s"

          "When they raided his house they needed a translator for his parents, but this guy writes perfect English with a grasp of multiple online subcultures."

          ""Revel in the schedenfreude.""

          "For an immigrant, his punctuation is amazing, especially his use of the Oxford Comma."

          "He Unirocicly Used the term Toxic Masculinity that's a FED."

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            It's not the gaslighting and the fraud I dislike as much as the laziness of it all.
            They couldn't spend an extra five minutes trying to sound like a Mexican Neo-Nazi instead of a blue bubble spinster.

            1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

              Yeah, the chances of a right wing wannabe Nazi committing mass murder with guns are essentially nonexistent.

              1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

                Well, it COULD happen, so there! Let's just go with my narrative and call it a day.

                1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

                  The "favorite narrative" in this case being that the "FBI has them writing fake shooter manifestos now".

                  I don't know if the social media accounts being attributed to the Allen shooter were written by him or not; Nardo is the one pushing the narrative here.

                  It would not exactly surprise me, however, if it did.

                  1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

                    When the claims on the manifesto is as absurd as it gets, a forgery is absolutely plausible, unlike the narrative that you and the media are pushing. Big difference there.

              2. DesigNate   2 years ago

                Yes, statistically.

              3. Religion and Politics, my life   2 years ago

                If you cared at all you would lament the death and not the politics of the killer.

    5. Liberty Lover   2 years ago

      Hardly surprising, colleges have gotten just like elementary and high schools, push them through and graduate them no matter how little their proficiency not only in their chosen major, but in general categories like reading and math.

    6. Jerry B.   2 years ago

      But they can tell you exactly where you fall on the intersectionality ladder, and what you must do to make up for your social justice failings.

    7. Boomer   2 years ago

      Don't blame them; they got their degrees from INDOCTRINATION institutions, not EDUCATION institutions.

    8. CindyF   2 years ago

      Well, students graduating today certainly deserve less money given that most of them seem to be idiots.

      Do they have any idea of the economic climate and job market in the early 1980's? We were in a severe recession in 1982, inflation was still high (around 14% in 1980 falling to around 9% in 1982), and finding employment was almost an impossible task (1982 unemployment rate was around 10%).

      I remember the time well since I entered the job market in the early 80s. It's a shame colleges no longer teach economic and economic history.

    9. Gristlestick   2 years ago (edited)

      I agree. Sadly a lot of students are attending community college when they can’t conjugate a verb or tell you what is the prime factor of 9! All these remedial courses at community college are a waste of taxpayer dollars. Seriously, should a student be attending college when they have the math skills of a 6th grader? I worked hard to get thru high school not a great student mind you, but I ultimately attained a masters degree. It can be done, but it takes hard freakin work! Nothing is easy or free.

  2. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

    Would be interesting to have compared field-vs-field. There are far more woke degrees today, and I doubt they are earning much more than high school grads.

    But that's a job for reporters, not assistant editors.

    1. Overt   2 years ago

      Never underestimate the power of NGOs to give worthless Community Organizer jobs a substantial salary.

    2. MistahWhiskas   2 years ago

      "There are far more woke degrees today"

      Are there?
      Whoops.
      https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2022/07/24/the-five-most-significant-ten-year-trends-in-college-majors/?sh=24fa52aa350f

      1. perlmonger   2 years ago

        Than in the 1980's? Yeah, even if they've gone down recently, I would say there's a significantly higher percentage of them now than in 1982.

        1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

          You’re talking to a liar.

        2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

          College campuses were generally a lot more fun then too. College kids for the most part didn’t demonstrate and whine about everything. They were too busy drinking and fucking. Which is a lot more fun than being a whiney beta male pussy (like Sarc), or a man hating, dour, cunty bitch.

          1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

            They also weren’t horribly ugly.

            1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

              True. Even the business school at WSU as late as the mid nineties had many girls that could have been competitive candidates for for Playboy centerfold.

          2. Nardz   2 years ago

            PCU, starring pre-Entourage Jeremy Piven, came out in the 90s.
            It got everything right.
            Well, everything except it having a happy ending.

    3. MatthewSlyfield   2 years ago

      With an IT related BS right out of college, my initial salary was around $30K.
      I'm nominally making $100K now, but that's 20+ years later.
      Even MDs don't make $100K right out of school. Maybe a JD or an MBA would have that kind of earning potential, but not much else.

      1. Overt   2 years ago

        I'm not sure what science degree you had, but I can confirm that we were hiring BS in Computer Science at around $70k in early 2020, and MDs were earning just north of $100k. After your first year of not being an idiot, you were guaranteed a promo to IC2, with a 15% bump. This was in California. In upstate New York, you could knock 10% off of those salaries (but you still got the 15% IC2 promotion).

        1. Stuck in California   2 years ago (edited)

          My experience is the same Overt.

          I don’t know where Matthew is, but California definitely you can pull over 70K straight out of school, and with only a few years experience 6 figures is common. Not just in the bay area.

          Even in the late teens I was working for a Chicago company and those were the kinds of wages at a startup. Before that was kind of ugly, because the Obama years were the slowest, shittiest recovery from a recession ever, but by 6 or 7 years ago it was 50K-75K for the fresh out of college crowd (to start) depending on the job, plus incentives. A couple years and demonstrated job skills got you more. Usually a lot more. Good engineers were all 6 figures with some equity dangling in case of acquisition.

        2. MatthewSlyfield   2 years ago

          "How does this answer need improvements?"
          Did you miss the part where I said it was 20+ years ago? that was back in the late 1990s.

          1. Overt   2 years ago

            And I was pointing out what in fact people are making now.

            And fwiw, you are wrong when you say MD's don't make 100k out of school. The average salary of a data scientist wet behind the ears is ~106k.

        3. MT-Man   2 years ago

          I guess it depends where you are at - you aren't getting 70k to start here in comp sci maybe 50k if you are working local, but with the remote work that does open up an economic shift that his happening which here in MT we can see salaries starting to climb so I don't think its holding for long as the influx from out out state has made a 3 bedroom house 600k average when it was 200k less than 10 years ago.

    4. Liberty Lover   2 years ago (edited)

      Yeah I have a friend that went to college for social anthropology. I asked him what he expected to do when he graduated. His answer, I never thought about it. He was lucky, he got a job as a executive for the Boy Scouts.
      My wife also had a young relative that went to school for archeology. I asked him what he planned to do when he graduated, his answer, dig in the ground for artifacts. When I asked him who would pay him to dig in the ground and he looked confused and confounded. When I explained to him his choices were very limited, college professor, museum curator or state archeologist for if the highway workers dig something up that seems old. All are very limited positions. He ended up going back to school to get his teaching degree after graduation.
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      1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

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  3. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

    Liberal indoctrination leads to over valuing of self worth and being ignorant on basically everything.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/29/study-says-college-graduates-overestimate-starting-salaries-by-50000.html

    Anyone on tik tok as much as these people should make min wage. Useless people.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Anyone on tik tok as much as these people should make min wage

      They could work for free and they'd still be overpaid.

    2. MistahWhiskas   2 years ago (edited)

      According to a survey by…Real Estate Witch?

      And young people with unrealistic goals is liberal indoctrination now?

      1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

        Whose retarded sock puppet are you?

        1. MistahWhiskas   2 years ago

          Certainly anyone who questions a survey from Real Estate Witch must be a sock puppet.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

            Lol. This is intentional ignorance. Even used a left leaning site for you dummy.

          2. Stuck in California   2 years ago

            I really do wish the trolls here would stop the sock puppeting.

            I mean, I have them muted for a reason. I don't find it funny or interesting. Changing usernames doesn't make them any more interesting to me, they're just annoying and get muted again.

            Just post to the original accounts. Get your 50 cents, move on, those of us uninterested don't have to see anything but a grey bar.

            1. Nardz   2 years ago

              I don't think you understand the mindset and goals of leftists.

            2. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

              They often change their handle because it most commenters mute them, no one pays them any attention.

              Which is the only reason they are here: "Contention is better than loneliness."

        2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          "Whose retarded sock puppet are you?"

          It's almost always Shrike, but I think that this one is Jeff or DOL. It's the smarminess.

          Shrike's more obnoxious, Jeff and DOL are more smarmy. A White Mike sock is always pretentious, and Sarcasmic's sock's will rage at the drop of a hat.

      2. Earnesto Concernada   2 years ago

        This article doesn’t make the point he thinks it does.

        I have a humanities education. According to the article, humanities salaries are the lowest, and down 14% from last year.

        This is why capitalism just doesn’t work.

        1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

          Or maybe, just maybe, employees are finding humanities degrees more suspect nowadays, and for good reason? Did that thought ever occur in your mind?

          Sounds like capitalism is working.

  4. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

    Just a good rule of thumb:

    If you see a video with an unattractive, problem-glasses wearing, shitlib (extra bonus points for fruity pebbles hair) female or gender queer person...

    Just assume that whatever they say will be:

    - economically illiterate
    - mathematically incorrect
    - not based in objective / observable reality
    - caked in "everything is unfair and terrible"

    summarized to: Wrong, retarded, and worth a skip.

    That'll save us all some time.

    1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

      If you see a video with an unattractive, problem-glasses wearing, shitlib (extra bonus points for fruity pebbles hair) female or gender queer person…

      Just assume that whatever they say will be:

      – economically illiterate
      – mathematically incorrect
      – not based in objective / observable reality
      – caked in “everything is unfair and terrible”

      I was about to leave a comment saying essentially the same thing. You saved me the trouble, thanks.

      1. MistahWhiskas   2 years ago

        Incels of a feather!

        1. perlmonger   2 years ago

          You mean trannies complaining about the "cotton ceiling"? I dunno, that chick didn't look *quite* that ugly...

        2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Incel is the woke equivalent of calling someone a "cuck".

          1. MT-Man   2 years ago

            I don't get the free use of the term to insult and degrade when something such as calling a trans person by their birth name is end of the world offensive. You'd think you wouldn't commit the same act you excoriate others for.

        3. Truthfulness   2 years ago

          https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

          Come up with an actual counterargument next time!

      2. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

        Behold our future leaders!

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          If by leaders you mean proto-Eloi, then sure.

          1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

            I need to buy a cookbook.

    2. Overt   2 years ago

      And you should be doubly suspect if the video is posted from inside a car.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Seriously, what the fuck is it with TikTokers that so many of them post this shit from their vehicles, or while they're doing their makeup?

        At least the platform provides a never-ending supply of lolcows.

        1. perlmonger   2 years ago

          And regular beef cows.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Dude, have a heart. The world is so unfair that college graduates--GRADUATES!!!--have to live in cars they got handed down from mom.

      2. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

        Damnit, I initially had that in my list, and when typing it out forgot to add it.

        Seriously, they are all obsessed with the "yelling at my phone in my car" or "yelling at my phone in my room" aesthetic.

        Now that I am typing it, completely makes sense. If any of them tried to do one of these in the living room of their house, their parents would potentially chime in with a "shut the fuck up and do your homework", ruining the video.

    3. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      You seriously wouldn't like to touch her boobies with your tiny tyrannosaurus hands?

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Man. Still raging from this morning.

        1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

          What did he do?

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Got called out by everyone but Mike yet again.

            1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

              Oh, another day ending in ‘y’. I keep calling him out for threatening me, then hiding, after he presumably sobered up.

      2. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

        Im fine with you thinking forever that I have tiny T rex arms, but god damnit sarc dont sully my good (?) name by saying I would have anything to do grabbing this chicks titties with my or anyone elses arms.

        I have some standards.

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          I don't know why hers would be any different than any other, being that your paws are so small.

          1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

            You’d know about small.

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              It's whisky dick, he swears if he could still get it up it'd be bigger.

    4. JesseAz   2 years ago

      It is her/its truth.

    5. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      I showed the tyrannosaur exchange to a friend and she said thanks the laugh lightened her crappy Monday.

      1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

        Lol. Like you have friends.

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          Female in particular.

        2. JesseAz   2 years ago

          He invites them over to read his comments and tell him how intelligent he is.

          1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

            After he zip ties them .

    6. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

      -caked in “everything is unfair and terrible”.

      You’re on the right track, but that just doesn’t add up to a pronounceable acronym. C’mon man, we’ve been over this….

  5. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

    It's not clear where exactly the young woman sourced her claims about relative college graduate salaries from

    Her anus, probably. Same place most millennials and Gen Z-ers get all their "facts."

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  6. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

    According to the table, the average recent college graduate in May 1981 earned $15,200 per year—which is just over $51,000 in 2023 dollars. However, the video states that the average recent college graduate actually made $33,700 per year, which she claims amounts to over $100,000 in today's dollars. Her error, it seems, may have come from misreading the table, which lists $33,700 as the May 1981 salary for recent college graduates when adjusted to 2006 dollars.

    She may as well have put out a video saying "Don't hire me, I'm a retard who can't read a table but I make up for it by being a shrill, sanctimonious left-tard harpy who will make the lives of anyone around me miserable."

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Corporate DEI department material.

      1. Ersatz   2 years ago

        ^THIS - unfortunately^

  7. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

    Her error, it seems, may have come from misreading the table, which lists $33,700 as the May 1981 salary for recent college graduates when adjusted to 2006 dollars.

    Yeah, I'm as shocked as anyone else here that a Current Year female college graduate in problem glasses can't read a basic stats table.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      "I think boomers just have such a hard time conceptualizing this because they never had to fight for jobs," the young woman in the video says. "They were at the upswing of technology, they were at the upswing of big business, capitalism was booming, and then they look at us and they're thinking…entitled."

      Also, what the fuck is this woman smoking here? The Boomers mostly entered early adulthood in the late 60s-mid 70s. This dumb bitch needs to read up on the 70s-early 80s, the 91 recession, and the dotcom bubble popping if she thinks Boomers never had to fight for jobs. The ones who never had to fight were mostly the ones who managed to grab a government job working for, say, the Department of the Interior and parked their career there for the next 40 years, and even then they never really made all that much until they'd been in for a couple of decades.

      1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

        Wage and price controls, General; don't forget wage and price controls.

      2. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

        The one big thing boomers (and honestly silent/greatest gen) had going for them was factory jobs. Ya, they could be tough and suck, but there was an opportunity for middle class life and pension without any requirement for an advanced education.

        On the flipside, we currently have a hot labor market, especially in the trades, that guarantees the same level of mobility and wealth to someone with a good work ethic. Electrician, plumber, HVAC, carpentry etc. Yes you do need a good head on your shoulders, but it doesn't require any college debt, and you can make a great middle class (to upper, if you start a business with it) life.

        Problem for these shitlibs is, they want what was advertised to them: the college experience, followed by upper middle to top tier income. The issue with that being, they all think their PHD in philosophy / 'studies' / humanities is the ticket there, and are pissed that they have been sold a bill of goods...that they will make around the same as the electrician, with 250k-500k of debt, unless they hit the lottery and get a sweet tenured gig somewhere.

        They would have known this would happen, had they possessed the slightest bit of common sense, but they chose the majors they did for a reason: delusion and sub par intelligence.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          Even those factory jobs were fairly limited income-wise unless you made supervisor. What they considered to be a middle class life was a 1000 square foot house and a decent size yard on about a quarter acre of land. These days, that's on the lower tier of income if you can actually afford to buy a house; most middle class folks these days are looking for about 1800-2200 square feet with granite/marble countertops.

          1. Nardz   2 years ago

            Those types of houses are reserved for welfare recipients these days

  8. Minadin   2 years ago

    In 2002 when I graduated college, the job market was so bad that about 1/2 of my graduating class did not have jobs in our field a year later in 2003. It was an all time low for job placement rate.

    I didn't get a job in Architecture for 3 years after graduating, and had to work in other fields instead. My first architecture job paid less than a teacher's salary, came with just 1 week of vacation, and provided no benefits.

    Twenty years later, I'm attending job fairs at colleges trying to recruit both interns and new grads. It's a completely different environment.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      I finished grad school that same year, and I remember what a pain in the ass it was trying to find a job during that time. The dotcom bubble plus 9/11 did an absolute number on the economy until they started blowing the housing bubble up around 2003-2004. I didn't really find a decent paying job until, ironically, the Great Recession.

      1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        You guys are smart people who got meaningful degrees.

        Imagine someone who studied bullshit. Man. Wouldn't want to be them.

        1. MistahWhiskas   2 years ago

          The new circle jerk is a back patting circle.

          1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

            The irony

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              IKR

      2. perlmonger   2 years ago

        This. I graduated CS in Dec '99, got a dot-bomb job, which blew up almost precisely a year later, got a contract gig, which ended at the end of August 2001...

        And then I went to welding school, because I was unemployed for a long assed time. Which is cool, I like to weld. But in "adjusted dollars" I make like, $4k / year more than I did in my first job after graduation. Though I'll grant I've had a very eclectic career. Going to welding school started a trend where I go learn a new trade every few years.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          Yeah, I'm not in tech myself, but a lot of my buddies and their acquaintances are. I remember a common refrain from the mid-2000s was "back when I worked at this startup making around $75K" and up, and this was just in Colorado, not even Silicon Valley. Lucent, Level 3, and StorageTek were among the big Front Range employers back before the bubble popped, but there were a lot of startup companies scattered throughout the metro area that were piggybacking on the internet's growing popularity. That's basically how the current governor made his fortune, by setting up an online greeting card site that got bought out by Excite.

          A lot of those jobs were similar to the "diversity/equity team" and "social media outreach" jobs that popped up in the last 5 years or so. Just too much money flooding into the market to run the same game Silicon Valley's been playing for over a generation now--keep the VC gravy train humming just long enough until some big corporation buys out your company.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago (edited)

            My second year of grad school, I distinctly remember the moment I realized the economy was about to go up in smoke and things were going to be a pain in the ass for while. This was back when I still listened to Howard Stern’s show, and he had a guy on one morning, probably late September of 2000, who was reporting on the stock market drops that had taken place over the previous few weeks (the bubble technically burst that spring, but had a dead-cat bounce over the summer) and going “looks like the party’s over, guys.”

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

      2002 high give. Post dot com boom. Defense industry destaffing. Engineering Jobs were a bit sparse for a year.

    3. DesigNate   2 years ago

      That was my experience, mostly, when I graduated in 2002 as well. Ended up working for an engineer for 16 years before trying to start my own company with some friends the year before the world broke.

      We’ve had some lean times, but I’m trying to stay hopeful that we can make it through and it’ll all be worth it.

  9. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

    /begin rant

    What the fucking fuckity fuck? “College degree” is a meaningless pair of words unless you talk about the major. Fuck. How can you say a degree in say Wemenz Studeez is even comparable to a degree in say Petroleum Engineering on any metric other than the time it took to get it? One person will be a barista for the rest of their life while the other’s children won’t have to take out college loans. Fuck.

    /end rant

    1. Unicorn Abattoir   2 years ago

      a degree in say Wemenz Studeez

      Can you get a bachelor's degree in that? Sounds very misogynistic.

      1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        ha!

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        If you talk like that, you will remain a bachelor.

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Joke's on everyone who thought Women's Grievance Studies was a dead end degree:

      What Can You Do With a Gender Studies Degree? Find Awesome Jobs Across Multiple Industries

      Business: Management, Consulting, and Analyzing
      Changing times call for changing policies, work environments, communication styles, and plenty of other major aspects of how a business or organization is run. People with a solid understanding of gender issues are necessary to help guide these changes, to ensure that employees, clientele, and consumers are treated with proper respect for their human rights and equality.

      Businesses and organizations also need to reach their target audiences, gain attention and respect, build positive reputations, and in many cases, make money. This opens a whole other side of the business field that can be a lot of fun (and lucrative) for the right kinds of enlightened professionals.

      Some of the roles worth considering in this field include:

      Human resources manager
      Project manager
      Human services manager
      Non-profit program director
      Union organizer
      Health services manager
      Event organizer
      Business consultant
      Public relations (PR) specialist
      Media analyst
      Marketing specialist

      Lot of potential 7 figure jobs right there.

      PS: Notice which one they put at the top of the list?

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        Top Career Picks:
        1. Human Resources (HR) Manager
        Understanding gender-related issues can be extremely valuable when recruiting, interviewing, hiring, and retaining employees. After all, organizations everywhere continue to grapple with things like pay equity, sexual harassment, parental leave, sexism in the workplace, and similar issues. To qualify for a management role, you'll probably need many years of experience as an assistant or specialist in the HR field. But the speaking, organizational, and decision-making skills you gain from gender studies could serve you well in this kind of role.

        Entry-level education: Bachelor's degree
        Median yearly pay: $126K*
        Low to high-end range of earnings: $75K- $208K
        Job growth: 7% (as fast as average)*

        We voted for it.

        1. MistahWhiskas   2 years ago

          Lol.
          "Women's studies is a dead end degree!"
          "Uh, maybe they can get a decent job but the job is teh dumb!"

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Act Blue employees get worse every month.

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              Media Matters, if it's Jeffy.

              1. DesigNate   2 years ago

                Over/under on this guy eating a cat?

                1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

                  Or fucking one.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        And with fascism and one-world government on the rise, the job opportunities for woke toadies are limitless!

  10. nobody 2   2 years ago

    "According to the table, the average recent college graduate in May 1981 earned $15,200 per year—which is just over $51,000 in 2023 dollars. However, the video states that the average recent college graduate actually made $33,700 per year, which she claims amounts to over $100,000 in today's dollars."

    Of course that estimates in 2023 dollars is based on government statistics, and they've redefined how they calculate inflation since 1981. If you look at how much gold $15,200 would have bought in 1981 and find how much that amount is worth today, you get $67,135. Still not $100,000, but also considerably more than the government would have you believe.

    1. MistahWhiskas   2 years ago

      Holy shit, the circle is complete.

      1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

        See Rossami's reply below. The TikTok woman made no note of this anyways, probably because it would disprove her claim.

    2. Rossami   2 years ago

      The "government statistics" calculation of inflation takes the $15,200 up to $51k. Your calculation based on gold price takes the $15,200 up to $67k. Not that much difference.

      And maybe a lot less depending on which price point you use. Gold in Jan 1981 was selling at $592/oz but had closed the year at $400/oz. In 2023 (not even a half year yet), it's ranged from $1811/oz to $2053/oz. That works out to a range of $47k to $78k as the "gold" answer to how much $15,200 1981 dollars are worth in 2023.

      Gold's advantage over the standard measures of inflation is that the means of calculation is fixed - it is whatever people are willing to pay for it on any given day. But that advantage is offset by the largish beta (variability) in that one commodity price. As a measure of point comparisons during high-variability periods (such as 1981 and now 2023), it's not that good.

  11. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    I hear something's going on at the southern border.

    Martha's Vineyard: Buses inbound!

    1. Nardz   2 years ago

      The million migrant march is coming.

      I'm sure it will improve our standard of living.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Delicious food trucks as far as the eye can see.

      2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Bite the pillow America.

  12. creech   2 years ago

    1982? We (major auto parts manufacturer) were hiring new graduates in accounting at about $300 per week. The accounting managers, 10 to 15 years into their careers, were making about $35,000/yr. I doubt this woman spent 10 seconds interviewing anyone who actually worked in 1980s. So that qualifies her for a job in today's journalism.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago (edited)

      Learn to weld.

      1. perlmonger   2 years ago

        Done!

  13. Gozer the Gozarian   2 years ago

    Entitled.

  14. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

    I study nuclear science
    I love my classes
    I got a crazy teacher, he wears dark glasses
    Things are going great, and they’re only getting better
    I’m doing all right, getting good grades
    The future’s so bright, I gotta wear shades

    I’ve got a job waiting for my graduation
    Fifty thou a year — buys a lot of beer
    Things are going great, and they’re only getting better
    I’m doing all right, getting good grades
    The future’s so bright, I gotta wear shades

    $50K/yr. was rock star nuclear engineer fantasy money in 1986.

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      The events of 1989's Christmas Vacation are kicked off because VP Frank Shirley cancels the annual Christmas bonuses that Clark Griswold, a Senior Researcher in food additives with years of experience, was going to use... to put in a pool.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        And that pool was going to cost *adjust for inflation* $9,000!!11!

  15. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    When I went to college! When I went to college! Blah blah blah.

    I graduated from the School of Hard Knocks with a PhD in the streets.

    1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

      Great school with a different teaching model.
      First you get the test, then if you survive it, you have learned the lesson.

  16. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago (edited)

    A viral video claimed that wages have sharply fallen for college graduates since the 1980s.

    *checks NYT Fact-checking guidelines*

    verdict: Russian disinfo.

  17. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    Pro tip: Don't "ask" homeless people nicely to leave.

    SAN FRANCISCO – Prosecutors have alerted former San Francisco Fire Commissioner Don Carmignani they will be moving to dismiss charges in a brutal beating he suffered outside his mother's home in the city's Marina District earlier this month, according to his attorney.

    The 52-year-old Carmigiani was beaten with a metal rod and suffered severe head injuries, including a fractured skull. Hours earlier he and his mother called 911 to report three homeless people set up an encampment at her home, saying they made threats of violence to his family.

    "I didn't go out there to fight anyone. I'm trying to get them down the road, go to the park," said Carmignani. "It's three-on-one. I know odds. I'm 52 years old. I have two hip replacements. I'm an old guy, I could have been a dead guy."

    1. perlmonger   2 years ago

      > Prosecutors have alerted former San Francisco Fire Commissioner Don Carmignani they will be moving to dismiss charges

      "Because seriously, fuck you dude. We don't give a fuck you had your skull fractured."

      Don't ask. Use napalm.

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Wasn't it three guys in Deathwish *and* John Wick? Prosecutors just told the three guys who knows where he lives and nearly beat him to death "No harm, no foul." and let him know he's fair game.

      Don't believe conservative's exaggerated narratives about SF. Of course, the non-exaggerated narrative winds up with this guy's skull caved in with a metal rod rather than a dozen or more smoked violent sociopaths.

    3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      "Prosecutors have alerted former San Francisco Fire Commissioner Don Carmignani they will be moving to dismiss charges in a brutal beating he suffered"

      In 2030 the people will be so grateful when federal troops are stationed in all the major cities to deal with the massive increase in violence crime these prosecutors caused.

      1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        The video shows he was definitely brutally attacked, but the previous stories on this incident mention certain reasons for the dropping of charges which Di-guy didn't...

        1. Truthfulness   2 years ago (edited)

          If you get attacked and end up with a fractured skull, then charges shouldn’t be dismissed for any reason, period. Why are you defending that? Really disgusting of you to downplay the incident.

  18. Moody   2 years ago

    I doubt she even knows how much more difficult it was to find and apply to a single job in the 80s. People today complain about having to copy and paste resume sections into a form AND having to upload the SAME RESUME. The horror. I just did that and I was pretty happy I could apply to a job from the couch. No resume paper or stamps needed.

    Such ignorance should be expected from youth. Unfortunately things like TikTok only serve to fuel entitlement; there’s no wisdom and perspective to be found among performing for your peers.

    1. SheelaghSophie   2 years ago (edited)

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  19. Use the Schwartz   2 years ago (edited)

    In the days before Social Media you could say stupid shit to your friends and it rarely made it outside of your circle. Your friends would correct you, you’d all laugh about it and move on.

    Now you say stupid shit and the whole world knows, and it lasts forever.

  20. Derpifer   2 years ago (edited)

    Something is still definitely wrong when the prior generation could pick up ten acres and build a nice 3-story house on them for about two years’ average salary, and now a pestilent hovel on a quarter acre starts at six to ten times the average yearly salary.

    1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

      Cite?

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago (edited)

      LOL, the fuck are you smoking? No average person has been able to buy ten acres and a three story house for two years salary, ever. That’s rich people shit you’re talking about, always has been.

      1. Derpifer   2 years ago

        Not for a railroad yard worker like my old man in Northwestern Montana in 1980 making close to the national average. Myself, I finally reached the national average a few years ago and I'm still nowhere near being able to even think about getting a house or land around here. Demand has skyrocketed and supply is ever more scarce; it keeps getting harder to build anything legally because Californians keep moving in and voting to make housing more affordable....and we all know what that means.

        1. MT-Man   2 years ago

          I get it, it's went up insane amounts in most towns but if you search away from the lake there's still some deals to be had up there - I'm looking at extra property in the region and a few gems exist and are on the radar, but you're right it's reaching the ridiculous (for MT) price range.

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          What you're talking about here was not the fucking norm.

  21. StackOfCoins   2 years ago

    I wonder if Emma Camp is aware of the inherent weakness of the Unemployment Rate? Reason used to point out it only captures people who are looking for work, not the horde of moochers who just sit around and spend other people's money (the other people are too busy working to spend it).

    1. Ersatz   2 years ago

      Makes me think the govt should come up with a complimentary statistic - the moocher index, made up of the number (%) of able bodied people who dont look for work but syphon off public resources. When the unemployment rate is mentioned it should always be paired with the moocher index - which one is going up? which one down? what do the trends mean... yada yada

  22. Bill Falcon   2 years ago

    Emily is missing the debt component. When I finished college in 86 with a BS in biochemistry from the University of Rochester, the highest paid grads were optical engineers starting in the high $30s. Most "econ" majors got jobs selling insurance for maybe $25K. Hard science majors maybe lab techs at $20K. That said, most kids graduated with debt less than 25% of their annual salary. Now say a kid gets a job at $50K (often a job that does not require a college degree but real skills say data analysis (knowing business warehouse, tableau, PBI and can write macros in Excel and create good decks), they likely have $70K or more in debt. Debt is the killer, Emily. And it is the Federal Govt which caused this insanity with guaranteed student loans. Colleges screwed the kids today and if they were smart, they wouldn't be blaming their Gen X parents but grabbing the pitchforks and marching on their alma mater's admin buildings.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago (edited)

      The debt issue is a legitimate one because it’s tied to the massive inflation in tuition costs over the last 30 years, but even then, the average student loan debt is still around $37,000. I had $25K when I finally finished all my schooling, and it only took me ten years to pay it off. What’s really making things more difficult are average rental costs because everything spiked in housing during the pandemic, and that’s not even just in large cities, either. It would have taken me longer to pay that debt off if I had to throw down another $400-500 a month over what I actually paid in rent.

  23. SheelaghSophie   2 years ago (edited)

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  24. Brian   2 years ago

    It’s all the rage to go on the internet and bitch about how life has never been harder when it’s easier than ever.

  25. ThanksForTheFish   2 years ago (edited)

    The level of entitlement from many of today’s college kids and recent grads amazing. “I deserve” is the generally applicable approach.

    TikTok is trash anyway, but the girl in the video talking at us is hilarious. Okay GenZ'er, we'll take your poorly sourced opinion as the literal truth. You keep on 'splaining with your vast base of experience.

    1. Brandybuck   2 years ago

      Z-Splaining

  26. TJJ2000   2 years ago (edited)

    Apparently the ‘buyers’ don’t seem to think what you’re selling is worth anything anymore.

    Instead of wasting time moaning about what “I Want” maybe it’s time to find out what the ‘buyers’ want.

    And that is how it’s suppose to work. It doesn’t work that way anymore because leftard indoctrination has introduced a new career of “armed” Gov-Gun theft into society by propaganda that teaches Guns make sh*t/wages. It's the ideology of criminal minds.

    1. ThanksForTheFish   2 years ago

      Employers are the buyers.

  27. Will Nonya   2 years ago

    What I've learned reading comments online is that every single worker in the United States is employed in a sweat shop by a horrible old white man who refuses to pay them a living wage, doesn't respect their value as a person and forces them to do busy work beneath their obvious status in life.

    The attitudes on display are obviously the result of these conditions rather than a cause.

    1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

      Finally! Someone gets me…

  28. Longtobefree   2 years ago

    Oh, really? TikTok is full of lies? I am shocked.

  29. Brandybuck   2 years ago

    "I think boomers just have such a hard time conceptualizing this because they never had to fight for jobs"

    Oh fuck you bitch. You have no idea what we fought for! My first decade out of college was damned hard. You kids today have it so easy it's laughable. Jesus Cripes you spent the entire lockdown whining that you might have to get a job after the lockdown.

    1. DesigNate   2 years ago

      The lockdowns that Boomers in government instituted to protect Boomers?

      What I’m saying is there is enough generational idiocy and entitlement to go around

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Sure, but the main point is the idea that Boomers had everything fall into their lap like manna from heaven is really nothing more than Millennial and especially Zoomer ignorance. The latter in particular have never had to worry about finding a job during an economic downturn, but their time is coming.

  30. Think It Through   2 years ago

    Reason stoops to write an analysis article on some stupid TikTok video?

    Man those Chinese are more powerful than I thought.

    1. Sevo   2 years ago

      Dunno. De-bunking is always good.

  31. Sevo   2 years ago

    "...However, her claims are simply wrong..."

    Pretty sure you'd be justified in pointing out that, like turd, she's a lying POS.

  32. StevenF   2 years ago

    FAR more important than raw salary of college graduates is the DIFFERENCE in salary of college graduates compared to others in the workforce. The question is how much a collage degree is actually worth compared to what you can do.
    In many cases, the degree actually has a negative value. Even it technology fields, practical experience is most often worth more than a degree. The founders of Apple, Microsoft, and many other high tech companies never graduated from college because they were too busy being successful to attend.

    1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

      That's nothing new. People have been well off without degrees for hundreds of years now.

  33. tinkad   2 years ago

    Are you tired of traditional classroom settings and outdated teaching methods? Then it's time to explore the world of learning management systems! With Keenethics' custom LMS development services https://keenethics.com/blog/5-reasons-to-build-a-custom-learning-management-system , you can experience a whole new level of personalized learning. The features and benefits of LMS are endless - from interactive course materials to online assessments, collaborative learning, and progress tracking. And the best part? This technology is not just limited to students. LMS can be used by teachers, administrators, and even corporate trainers. Don't let public schools fail students with disabilities any longer.

  34. Religion and Politics, my life   2 years ago

    Our VP can't speak and appears to be very stupid.
    Biden was near 600 in his undergrad class and bottom 10 in his law school.

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