Debate: Bitcoin Is the Future of Free Exchange
Where am I supposed to spend my cryptocurrency?

Bitcoin Is an Effective Tool for Liberty
Affirmative: Alex Gladstein

There was a time when it was fair to question whether bitcoin was an effective tool for liberty. In its first few years, when the digital currency didn't have many users, wasn't worth very much, and lacked global markets, it was more a dream than a lifeline. But those days are long gone. Today, millions of people—especially in dictatorships and collapsing economies—rely on bitcoin to give them liberty that governments and corporations try to steal away.
Most bitcoin users aren't "freedom fighters" or "dissidents" in the classic sense. Some are: human rights activists in Belarus, investigative journalists in Russia, humanitarians in Ukraine, feminists in Nigeria, pro-democracy organizers in Togo, educators in Taliban-ruled Afghanistan, and even whistleblowers in the West. But the vast majority are simply people finding value in a financial network that can't be devalued, censored, or stopped. One doesn't need to see oneself as a revolutionary to want a digital form of cash that doesn't require ID and doesn't need permission from the state to operate. One might just be trying to escape from a broken fiat system.
If liberty is freedom and self-sovereignty, then bitcoin is the purest expression of financial liberty. It gives anyone—regardless of birthplace, nationality, age, gender, creed, skin color, education, or wealth—access to the best-performing financial asset of the last decade. It lets anyone with a cellphone send and receive value from anyone else, regardless of what governments think and regardless of borders and political restrictions.
Bitcoin is a superb tool for fundraising for human rights groups and journalists at risk. But it's also—much more importantly in terms of global economic volume—a superb tool for merchants accepting payments from customers in a different country, for employers making payments to employees or contractors half a world away, or for laborers sending remittances to families overseas.
For people in the Global South, bitcoin might be much more valuable than for people in advanced economies. For example, Africa is still divided by more than 45 central banks and 45 different fiat currencies. It is also exploited by colonial currencies like the French CFA franc, and by a neocolonial payment infrastructure where 80 percent of all inter-African payments are processed by American or European companies and where the average fee to send a $200 cross-border payment or remittance from the U.S. or Europe to sub-Saharan Africa is 7 percent.
Making matters worse, corrupt governments enforce a fake "official rate" of exchange in many countries. In Nigeria, the dollar trades for 750 naira on the street but just 450 at regulated institutions. For many companies in Africa, bitcoin is a major upgrade. It allows them to send and receive value at the real exchange rate in seconds from anywhere in the world, colonial boundaries and rent-seeking intermediaries be damned.
Bitcoin can also be an important tool for liberty for citizens of the United Kingdom or Japan or the United States. What if they have family living in the Global South, where sending money is a persistent problem? What if they have friends or clients in Palestine or Cuba, where economic barriers make it difficult if not impossible to send money digitally through the legacy system? What if they have upset the administrators of the payment platform du jour—Patreon or PayPal, perhaps—and are no longer able to collect donations from their fans? Then despite their financial privilege, bitcoin can be a big help.
At its core, bitcoin protects one of the most fundamental liberties—property rights. All it takes is a few minutes of Wi-Fi to download a bitcoin app, back up the seed phrase, and generate an address. Then voila: You now have a way for anyone else in the world to pay you. No one can confiscate your funds without access to your private key. No one can debase your earnings. No one can prevent you from sending value to anyone else. Before Satoshi Nakamoto invented bitcoin in 2009, property rights existed at the pleasure of the state. A group of men with guns enforced them. Today, in the post-bitcoin world, property rights exist regardless of the state. Now they are protected by math.
Bitcoin inarguably has room to grow. Its privacy, user interface, and liquidity leave much to be desired—and are constantly improving. These upgrades will be desperately needed as the world edges closer to a place where governments consolidate power over citizens through central bank digital currencies and the elimination of paper cash.
Vast strides have been made in each of bitcoin's weak areas in the past five years. For someone living in war-torn Ukraine or drought-stricken Somalia, it's easy enough to receive bitcoin from a donor abroad and to sell it for cash, all in minutes. No passport or bank account or technical expertise is required. In sub-Saharan Africa, it's even possible to use bitcoin (with a few tradeoffs) with no internet whatsoever, through a popular mobile text messaging protocol.
Bitcoin's critics have generally never had to deal personally with financial repression. When their bank accounts eventually get frozen, when their payment apps deplatform them, when their wages get devalued, or when their government shows up at their doors asking where a certain bank wire came from, then—finally—they'll understand bitcoin's value proposition.

Gold, Not Bitcoin, Is the Most Likely Replacement for Fiat Money
Negative: Lawrence White
I come to praise bitcoin, not to bury it. I certainly don't come to praise government fiat money or central banking, which I've been criticizing in print for my entire career. My first two books, Free Banking in Britain and Competition and Currency, present the case for free and decentralized banking over central banking. I would love it if the world economy were to run on a completely private monetary standard with free banking.
My forthcoming book, Better Money: Gold, Fiat, or Bitcoin?, argues that gold would be a better monetary standard than bitcoin, and that gold is the standard more likely to emerge bottom-up from free choice by money users. We should appreciate bitcoin for the remarkable thing that it is, not for what it isn't and not for what it isn't likely to become.
Bitcoin has succeeded tremendously at creating a valuable new type of asset. As Alex Gladstein has emphasized, it provides a remarkable censorship-resistant value-transfer system. But, sad to say, it hasn't replaced government fiat money as an everyday or commonly accepted medium of exchange, and it isn't getting any closer to doing so. Granted, some people use bitcoin to remit funds across borders, which counts as medium-of-exchange use, but that too is uncommon. There are cheaper routes for ordinary remittances.
Let me unpack the term "medium of exchange." It means a good that is acquired by trading away a good or service, and which is intended to be spent in acquiring a third good or service.
That's not a common pattern with bitcoin. Few people are paid in bitcoin. Few people routinely buy or sell goods and services for bitcoin. Fewer than 3,000 merchants in the United States publicly accept bitcoin, according to NerdWallet subsidiary Fundera's last count. There are economic reasons for that, most importantly that the purchasing power of bitcoin is highly volatile. It would be a dangerous way to hold your rent money, because its value can drop 10 percent in a few days. Mostly, bitcoin is purchased with fiat (or fiat stablecoins) not to be spent, but to be "hodled" (held) as a form of savings or "store of value," in hopes that its price will rise. When unhodled, it is mostly exchanged back into fiat.
Bitcoin is not on a trajectory to replace established monies. In the last few years it has actually lost the one niche where it was the leading medium of exchange, namely crypto-asset markets. Bitcoin used to be the main exchange medium used in buying and selling Ether, Dogecoin, Zcash, Monero, and the other coins that constitute the other 58 percent of the total crypto-asset market. No longer. The No. 1 medium of exchange on crypto markets is now USD Tether, followed by other U.S. dollar stablecoins.
Following its current trajectory, bitcoin will continue to serve as a savings vehicle and a niche censor-resistant value-transmitting system, and continue to exhibit high price volatility, without ever replacing other monies as a commonly accepted medium of exchange.
Many bitcoin owners are happy with hodling as a way to get rich. To no-coiners they say: "Have fun staying poor." They don't feel the need to insist that bitcoin will supplant established monies. But others want to say that bitcoin is bound to, eventually, take the place of fiat monies, including the dollar, and that it is the future of free exchange.
I can't say it's logically impossible for bitcoin to replace established fiat monies, but bitcoin's built-in volatility makes that unlikely.
One bitcoiner has proposed an "inevitability sequence" in which a growing market cap brings declining price volatility, that encourages wider acceptance of bitcoin as a medium of exchange, and that reinforces declining price volatility, generating a positive feedback loop.
One problem: There's no evidence of declining price volatility after 13 years.
A second problem: There's no reason to expect it. Demand for bitcoin remains predominantly speculative, and every demand swing is fully reflected in price because the quantity of bitcoin—unlike ordinary commodities—does not respond to changes in demand that change its price. In Econ 101–speak, the bitcoin supply curve is vertical, completely price-inelastic. By contrast, a demand surge that raises the price of toilet paper soon leads to the production of more toilet paper, bringing the price back down. Gold has a slightly elastic supply in the short run, but very elastic supply over the long term.
A single common money emerges spontaneously because of the network property of a medium of exchange. Silver (or salt, or a cowrie shell) is more useful to you as a medium of exchange if a greater number of potential trading partners accept it. An established money therefore has a strong incumbency advantage.
The 6.4 percent inflation rate of January 2023 (over January 2022), even if it persists, will unfortunately not be sufficient to reverse the U.S. dollar's incumbency advantage. The recent experiences of other countries with high inflation demonstrate that it takes an inflation rate much higher than 6.4 percent to get people to abandon an incumbent currency and start using something else for ordinary exchanges.
When a country hyperinflates and people do switch (as in Venezuela and Lebanon in recent years), they predominantly switch to U.S. dollars. But, you might ask, what if all the major government fiat monies were to become nearly as bad as the Venezuelan bolivar? Even in the unlikely event that all the fiats do hit 20 percent inflation or more, the gold standard would be more likely to reemerge than a bitcoin standard. On top of gold's relatively limited volatility, the World Gold Council puts nonbank public ownership at $2.8 trillion in gold coins and bullion, versus the less than $0.5 trillion market cap for bitcoin (with the current price below $25,000). Gold has a larger network.
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Let me know when I can use bitcoin to buy a hot dog and bag of chips without any delay or fees.
What about without lips or butts?
That dollar you buy your hot dogs with is being inflated away every day. The Hershey bar I bought as a kid at five cents is now a dollar fifty. It doesn't take more to make a chocolate bar today than it did then - that increase is the government deliberately making me poorer every year.
It's even better than that. If you get a raise to keep up with inflation, that raise is taxed at a higher rate. Get enough raises and you're in a new tax bracket, without any more purchasing power.
Some people don't have that problem 😉
The middle class isn’t paying enough taxes in the US.
To pay for the social welfare state we have, and to match European tax rates, the tax rates on the median US family would have to triple. That would also take care of the deficit.
Moving everybody with median income or above into the 37% tax bracket would go a good ways towards that. It wouldn't be quite as high as European tax rates, but it's a start.
^this
The US demands goodies that small EU countries enjoy, but the citizens are indoctrinated that the money can only come from 'the rich', so we have fully tapped 'the rich' and found out those goodies cost more than that.
If they want the free shit, they have to pay for it (or print so much money / increase the debt so massively that a loaf of bread costs 50$).
There is a very basic level of economics, usually that we teach to middle school kids, that a large part of the country needs to hear, but they only want to listen to the politicians that tell them 'nothing is your fault, govt will do everything for you, just wait until we make those other people pay their fair share!'
Bitcoin, crypto, isn’t designed to prevent inflation. In fact, the process of mining specifically employs it… to say nothing about the natural instability/inflation of the supply of hot dogs and chips. So, what’s your point?
It doesn’t take more to make a chocolate bar today than it did then
This is false. The Hershey bar you bought as a kid at five cents wasn’t produced in a green energy, peanut-free facility from 50% renewable resources and, auspiciously, killed some kids with peanut allergies and suffocated a few others with asthma. The 5 cent purchase was a subsidy of your allergy/immune privilege. Is there a portion of the Bitcoin protocol that prevents 30X inflation to offset the speculated cost of killing kids with asthma and peanut allergies? If not, you didn’t solve anything. If so, sounds like digitized fiat to me.
"Bitcoin, crypto, isn’t designed to prevent inflation. In fact, the process of mining specifically employs it"
Mining does not necessarily increase the money supply faster than productivity, resulting in inflation. A good currency requires productivity tradeoffs before money can be minted. There is more gold in the solar system than humans will ever need. The problem is that minting it into currency requires significant outlays of surplus productivity. You have to dig deeper holes, launch rockets, mine the core of the sun, etc. Whenever a person wants to mint new gold, they have to weigh weather the minting process will cost more than just deploying their capital elsewhere to buy gold from some other person. The natural tendency is for people to avoid digging new gold if there isn't enough productivity to justify it and only increase the gold supply if it is worth the bucks.
Fiat currency is different. The people in charge don't have to trade off anything. Minting dollars is a snap of the fingers or the click of a mouse. And thus the natural tendency is for people to increase money supply faster than productivity, because it takes no productivity to mint it.
Bitcoin is closer to gold (but not perfect), because Bitcoin requires a similar tradeoff. If you want to create BTC you have to spend your excess capital on mining equipment and labor and energy. In times where we have excess productivity and not enough BTC, people will shift towards producing BTC. And when there is not enough productivity, other services will bid up the value of that productivity, and it will make more sense to spend energy for some other pursuit.
Again, BTC is not perfect, but its problem is not inflation but deflation.
None of which essentially refutes what I said. BTC isn't in any way designed to prevent inflation intrinsically.
Also, re: "snap of the fingers or the click of a mouse". The irony that people complain, metaphorically, about the money printer going "brrr." while, actually, people oppose BTC minting because of the hum of the data centers couldn't be more hilarious.
Again, I don't exactly have a problem with BTC. But, again ironically, the notion that sky daddy ideologies are self-conflicted children's fantasies but the notion that all of the world's problems can be solved with math isn't a self-conflicted children's fantasy is, again, hilarious.
Yeesh.
The Hershey bar I bought as a kid at five cents is now a dollar fifty.
Im pretty certain you ate that Hershey bar long before it changed prices. Indeed I'm pretty certain that no one ever has saved a chocolate bar in hopes that it will increase in value.
And if the OP was trying to propose Hershey Bars as a store of value, your non sequitor might make sense.
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2. Saudi Arabia cut oil production against US wishes in coordination with Russia and OPEC+
3. Saudi Arabia signed historic diplomacy deals with Iran and Syria brokered by China and Russia
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"Joe Biden’s proxy war against Russia continues to push Saudi Arabia into a deeper alliance with China and Russia"
SCO is not an alliance. Not a mutual defense alliance like NATO. It's more about economic cooperation and reducing border tensions among member states. Along with Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel, Egypt, Mongolia, Vietnam and Bangladesh along with others have expressed interest in the organization. I think it's a mistake to view, as you apparently do, the SCO and Saudi Arabia etc as the world uniting against America. If Israel, Saudi Arabia and Iran can sit down at the same table and iron out their differences peacefully, that's a good thing, even if that table is in Beijing. Same with Pakistan, India and Kashmir.
"9. Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince said he is no longer interested in pleasing the United States"
That should please Saudi Arabians. When the leader of a country is interested in pleasing the US, Nguyen Van Thieu, Mobuto Sese Seko etc, that's the time to pack up and find somewhere else to live.
Did someone forget that cryptocurrency tax line on their tax returns this year? Yeah; The greedy are already cutting their STOLEN 'fair share' there too.
Currency? Ha! Get used to a future society and "economy" with nebulous social scores that may or may not give you the right to certain things. Of course, other people may then gain the right to things you already "own".
"Get used to a future society and “economy” with nebulous social scores that may or may not give you the right to certain things."
Isn't the credit rating such a score? The zip code is another tool used to evaluate your social standing. Your police priors and medical records too. I also understand that potential employers will google candidates to examine their internet footprint.
Isn’t the credit rating such a score?
No. Your credit rating doesn't prohibit you from buying anything. It just stops you from using borrowed money to buy it.
Doesn't it qualify as a nebulous social score that may or may not give you the right to certain things?
"It just stops you from using borrowed money to buy it."
Like a house? Probably the most substantial thing people will ever buy.
No.
People typically buy houses with borrowed money because houses are expensive.
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The second author criticizes Bitcoin for not being able to replace the dollar already. It was created from scratch in 2009 - it's still new. How long did it take the dollar to replace the Brtitish pound to be replaced as the world's reserve currency? Please compare Bitcoin to the Internet - that new-fangled thing in the mid-1990s. I remember reading articles ridiculing law firms and plumbers for having web sites - what could they possibly need them for? Ask the newspapers how worried they were about the Internet in 1995.
Given the current regulatory climate, Bitcoin will never replace the dollar. That's because it's treated like property: for every transaction, you have to keep track of the capital gains/losses and report them to the IRS, and potentially pay taxes on them. There are other reporting requirements and restrictions too. That makes using it as a currency impractical.
It’s always fun when the two sides of a debate are both wrong but in different ways.
a financial network that can’t be devalued
Yet bitcoin itself can be simply by there being more sellers than buyers. And further, bitcoin is not theoretically unique. There is a potentially infinite supply of cryptos even if bitcoin itself is limited to 21mm.
As far as gold is concerned, physical gold is simply not readily transferable – and a gold standard is no less arbitrary than fiat currency, and further, is less reflective of economic activity.
and a gold standard is no less arbitrary than fiat currency
That's not true. Gold is a physical thing that... at this time cannot be invented out of thin air like fiat currency can be. The arbitrariness of its value is at least market-based.
Plus, as this has been discussed before, gold has real-world uses aside from it's (admittedly) nebulous aesthetic appeal.
Gold does not equal gold standard. The question is what is gold's value, not whether it exists in tangible form
The value of gold is determined by markets, same as Bitcoin and dollars.
In a free market, the value of dollars would be zero; goods would be traded either in gold or Bitcoin.
The only reason dollars have any value is because of the regulations and laws that make it impossible to transact business without dollars in the US.
The value of cryptocurrencies comes from the network of users that participate in them, and that is a finite resource. If you invest in Google and Coca Cola and trust that your money won't just evaporate you can use Bitcoin with the same level of confidence.
Gold is more readily transferable than the kind of currency the US government currently produces.
The metric standard is arbitrary. The fact that you type "google" rather than "snoogle" into your browser to search something is arbitrary. The fact that you drink "Coca Cola" rather than "Brawndo" is arbitrary. The vacuum ground state of the universe is probably arbitrary. Arbitrary choices once made can be rock solid.
And gold is far from arbitrary. It is rare, it is indestructible, it has numerous practical uses, and it is widely desired. Gold was not imposed as a medium of exchange by fiat, it was chosen by markets around the world, time and again. Governments always hated gold and the properties that made it such a good medium of exchange and have always been debasing it and been trying to replace it.
"And gold is far from arbitrary."
It is arbitrary. Cowrie shells, cigarette packages, silver, and other materials have been used instead of gold.
The Atlantic slave trade was conducted not with gold, but copper and bronze 'bracelets' called manilla. Over the course of some 400 years, millions of the things must have changed hands. The famous Benin Bronzes originated as manillas.
They have. On the other hand, used toilet paper and elephant dung have not been used as currency.
Gold isn't unique, but that doesn't make it "arbitrary". It is one of a tiny number of commodities that have served as money. And among those tiny number of commodities, it is the most popular and most widely used.
"but that doesn’t make it “arbitrary”.
But it is arbitrary. 1519, Cortez arrives in the valley of Mexico. The Aztecs valued the feathers of the quetzal more than gold. Cortez values gold more than the feathers of the quetzal. There's nothing inherent in either of these materials that make one more desirable than the other. It's a matter of social convention, and varies from society to society, ie arbitrary.
In fact, the Aztecs used both gold and rare feathers as money, just like the British used both gold and silver; they were both prized commodities.
A commodity that serves as a good basis for money should be durable, easily divisible, uniform, portable, relatively scarce, recognizable, and widely accepted. It helps if additionally it is useful and desirable.
Gold, silver, copper, salt, cacao beans, cowry shells, tobacco, tea bricks, wampum beads, rare feathers, and rai stones - have all been used as money in different cultures as long as they satisfied the criteria for money within those cultures. Of the commodities listed, cowry shells, tobacco, tea bricks, wampum beads, rare feathers, and rai stones eventually fell out of use as money because they violated one or more of the properties of good commodity money; for example, many of them became less scarce.
But of the many thousands of different kinds of commodities, only a few dozen have ever been used as money. That's no accident.
"the Aztecs used both gold and rare feathers as money,"
They were both used for decorative purposes. Neither were used as a medium of exchange or holder of value. Still, the feathers were held to be more valuable, which surprised Cortez to no end. As I say, arbitrary is the word used to describe a relationship that is artificial and only has weight because society has it that way. In France for a time after WWII, unopened cigarette packages were used as money. Again, arbitrary. It could have been packages of coffee of bottles of wine. Anything, in fact, that was rare, desirable, long lived and portable.
You don’t know what you are talking about.
"You don’t know what you are talking about."
I think I've read more on the subject than you have. Cortez was surprised that the Aztecs values quetzal feathers more than gold. That in itself undermines your idea that the use of gold as money is not arbitrary.
"This copper tajadero (Spanish for chopping knife) was a form of money used in central Mexico and parts of Central America. Also known as Aztec hoe or axe money, this standardized, unstamped currency had a fixed worth of 8,000 cacao seeds – the other common unit of exchange in Mesoamerica."
A copper axe was worth 8000 cacao seeds. That was money for the Aztecs.
Copper and bronze bracelets greased the wheels of the Atlantic slave trade for some 400 years. For 5000 years, the Chinese used copper coins, copper knives, silver, paper, shells, and so on. Gold was briefly used in the 1930s, but unsuccessfully and abandoned.
The value of cryptocurrencies comes from the network of users that participate in them, and that is a finite resource.
That finite resource exists only wrt buyers. WRT issuers of cryptos, the resources are effectively infinite. What is the value of a commodity with finite demand and infinite supply?
You're welcome to issue your own cryptocurrency and test that hypothesis. You'll quickly see why it doesn't work.
There are 10,000 or more cryptos out there and the number is increasing. Bitcoin has the advantage of branding, of course - and that is its value over other cryptos, not some bullshit about finite resources.
Bitcoin would be worthless if it didn't have the miners and users. That is what makes it valuable. And miners and users are a finite resource.
Gold is more readily transferable than the kind of currency the US government currently produces.
What a fantastically ignorant comment.
That finite resource exists only wrt buyers. WRT issuers of cryptos, the resources are effectively infinite. What is the value of a commodity with finite demand and infinite supply?
...
What a fantastically ignorant comment.
These two comments, back to back, are phenomenally oxymoronic.
The second sentence above is definitively incorrect. The resources are *mathematically* infinite. *Effectively*, they're limited by available bandwidth.
Oh, now there is a bandwidth limit? Where?
Everywhere that someone pretends that there isn't one.
Ignorant? How?
A 1 oz Eagle Coin, worth a bit more than $2000 these days, is more compact and more durable than 20 $100 bills.
Furthermore, with blockchains, we can also transfer that 1 oz of gold virtually.
Have you ever actually touched a gold coin?
A 1 oz Eagle Coin, worth a bit more than $2000 these days, is more compact and more durable than 20 $100 bills.
Yes.
Furthermore, with blockchains, we can also transfer that 1 oz of gold virtually.
Which can be done with currency of course. How large is the blockchain?
Have you ever actually touched a gold coin?
Yes. My father owned krugerrands.
So you agree then: Gold is more readily transferable than the kind of currency the US government currently produces.
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Maybe he gets marched to a sustainably sourced, union constructed, carbon-neutral, democratically operated guillotine?
Haha. I guess you’ll be the one left holding the bag when the bottom falls out.
Oh and have fun with needing to keep a cold wallet, lest a hot one be hacked. Or if you forget your passphrase and can’t open it, etc. etc. etc. Or if you do get hacked and you're SOL because there's no one to cry to about fraud, etc.
I’ll stick with traditional currencies and banking, tyvm.
Ok idiot.
Whether or not bitcoin replaces fiat currencies is irrelevant to me. The fact that it remains a tool for people who live where there is no right to property or privacy is a good thing. The problem for me is that it's not just blockchain technology - buying or selling bitcoin still involves a "bank" subject to the whims of government regulators for most of us. Unless one is already at extreme risk - such as the heroes listed in the debate - ordinary people are unlikely to spend much effort "going dark" just to avoid having the bitcoin bank report your transactions and holdings to the government. Ordinary fiat currency works just fine for us ordinary folk for day to day transactions.
"live where there is no right to property or privacy"
^This.
It could be. So could be gold, silver, and other valuable commodities. In all those cases, governments have effectively made it illegal or impractical and replaced it with fiat currency. They have done this in order to control the economy, be able to finance wars, and pay off powerful interest groups.
And continuing that trend, people will probably be forced to switch to CBDC, which can then be used to finely control who can spend how much on what goods. You'll be forced to buy ESG-approved goods from ESG-approved companies; if your social credit score drops too much, your spending will be restricted to just food and rent; and your social credit score, of course, depends on the spending choices you make. Etc. You get the idea.
"They have done this in order to control the economy"
^and this.
With the bank failures and the failure of that one crypto organization, cryptocurrencies seem to be in bad odor with the general public, and that includes BitCoin, justified or not. I expect there will be more support for regulating crypto by governments as a result.
"Other people are losing money! We need to regulate crypto to protect THEM!"
I suspect this knee jerk reaction is more driven by envy than by any kind of real economic concerns.
I would've guess "virtue" rather than envy, but only The Shadow knows for sure.
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" it's easy enough to receive bitcoin from a donor abroad and to sell it for cash, all in minutes"
Sell it for cash? With the cash seller skimming something off the top? With all the benefits of instantaneous communication and cryptographic advances, can't we do better than this?
One question not addressed - if bitcoin does become an international standard for transactions, how large will the blockchain get? Nakamoto didn't care, but in the real world it can't be ignored.
That question doesn't make sense. Perhaps you're trying to ask whether block chain based systems scale, and the answer is: yes.
The question makes perfect sense. A blockchain necessarily gets larger and larger and the fact that the theoretical design scales up as you rightly - hence presumably accidentally - note isn't the issue. It's the speed with which a larger block chain can be transmitted. Latency is not a constant.
You don't need to "transmit a large blockchain" to perform transactions, all you need to transmit are 1 megabyte blocks representing the latest transactions. You don't even need to store the entire blockchain, all you need to store is the latest state.
In any case, Bitcoin Lightning offloads most transactions from the main chain anyway. Ethereum takes a different approach with shards.
Without major changes Bitcoin can not be a large scale usable currency. It is quite simply not capable of processing enough transactions per second.
Unless changes are made to the Bitcoin structure - which would require a fork - it can only scale to around 5-7 transactions per second.
Visa currently handles around 1500-2000 transactions per second, and is capable of scaling up from there.
Layer 2 solutions are off-chain protocols or technologies built on top of a blockchain that enable faster and cheaper transactions. These solutions operate separately from the main blockchain but can still settle the final state on the main chain, allowing for scalability improvements without sacrificing security. Examples of layer 2 solutions include state channels, sidechains, and payment channels like the Lightning Network.
Ethereum 2.0 achieves scalability via sharding by dividing the network into multiple shards, each processing transactions in parallel, thus increasing the network's capacity to process more transactions per second.
My question is what is the best way to acquire, store and maintain BTC and ETH. How do you keep your wallet, I guess?
This is the last part I am looking to answer. Is your digital wallet in the form of a burner phone the best way to store your crypto?
Depends on what you want to do, what you are concerned about, and where you live.
I just keep my Bitcoins on one of the big exchanges. That makes is easy to comply with US tax laws. I’m not worried about them absconding with the money, but if they do, it won’t bankrupt me.
Personal wallets are fine too. But you do have to be careful about backups. Paper wallets are another possibility.
Phones are probably the least reliable hardware. If I kept it locally, I’d probably use a Raspberry Pi.
bitcoin is not a currency. i can't go shopping, go to a restaurant, go out to eat, book a hotel or airfare with bitcoin. it is a legal form of gambling as a very, very volatile investment. if you like it then party on, but don't think it's a currency. it never will be.
Actually, increasingly you can do all those things - though not reliably. But the volatility is indeed the killer.
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A 'debate' where libertarians pimp each other's favorite proposed 'money'. What a surprise. And yet - over the last 50 years - the exchange rate of USdollar v a basket of other currencies - has been remarkably stable. Which means that it really doesn't matter whether the dollar or the basket or both is the money of choice.
Every argument about whether bitcoin or gold is money is basically silly. Anyone who is pretending that they are money is arguing that real actual money doesn't exist. Which ain't a surprise because anyone arguing that doesn't actually know what money is.
Money is just a median of value. And you’d be SORELY mistaken to not notice its loss of value in the last few years.
Thanks to F’En morons who think money can just be given away for ?free?. The sad part is those who *EARN* and labor for it are being turned into SLAVES by fiat criminals and Indian givers. All part of Wilsons and FDR’s plan to destroy the USA for their slavery nation.
This is most idiotic thing about the left. They think they can print value into existence. They think GUNS make sh*t. Their economical retardedness is the very reason things are so hard for the poor and grows famine and death. It’s been seen in countless cases of history.
GUNS don’t make sh*t. (PERIOD!!!!).
It's an ideology of zero-sum resources and dog eat dog politics.
"GUNS don’t make sh*t. (PERIOD!!!!)."
Guns once served as money. The coeurs de bois (runners of the wood) traded muskets for beaver pelts with the native population for the Hudson's Bay Company. The natives would stack their pelts and when they reached as high as the end of the muzzle, the trade would be made. This led to longer and longer muskets and thicker and thicker beaver pelts.
Those guns weren't "money", they were just goods used in barter.
I doubt that they were 'just goods.' The coeurer des bois probably kept the guns separate from the guns they used, to keep them new and retain their value. So, store of value, one of the essential characteristics of money. Medium of exchange, another one. Guns for pelts. Unit of keeping track of value, another characteristic of money. One musket for one equally high stack of pelts. Two muskets for two stacks of pelts.
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They don’t meet the criteria for money. They were literally just barter goods. Sorry. You’re out of your depth, as usual.
Gold meets the criteria for money. To quote one of your earlier comments:
"It is rare, it is indestructible, it has numerous practical uses, and it is widely desired"
In the context of the woods of northern Canada at the time, muskets were rare, durable if not indestructible, and desired.
It's not clear why these muskets were 'just barter goods' but not money. Your own definition suggests they were.
Guess I better be more specific...
The purpose of a Gun (i.e. Gov-Guns) isn't to make sh*t.
In fact; It is entirely impossible to think Guns can make sh*t.
Thus the only purpose of a Gun (i.e. Gov-Gun) is to enslave/steal.
When it is pretending to make sh*t.
I'm not sure how this got twisted into the trade-value of a Gun.
I find it interesting that the second author talks about the price volatility and market caps of both gold and Bitcoin in terms of the fiat currency he dislikes.
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What prevents cryptocurrency from being as corrupt as the fed?
Even though gold can have volatility, it is a really different volatility of that of Bitcoin's. The prices for gold don't change every hour and never change that much. So actually, what has been happening to Bitcoin lately, really makes me sick. On a better side of it made tear my butt off the sofa and find https://cryptomkt.com/ where I can monitor the exchange rates for major cryptocurrencies daily as well as buy whatever I want.
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First, let me correct your error. We're talking about Bitcoin, not 'cryptocurrency.' There's a difference.
Bitcoin cannot be corrupted because there is no 'Fed' of Bitcoin. That's the whole point. Bitcoin is decentralized - no one is in control, and no one can inflate it by printing more. When 21 million Bitcoin have been produced, there will never be another one added. And unlike 'crypto,' there is no group of insiders who can manipulate the price, pumping and dumping it on naive new buyers.
Perhaps you could clarify then.
Unless bitcoin “prints” more, with inflation it will soon be too expensive per coin to have any value as currency.
Why? Is there some mathematical limit to the number of digits that can be to the right of a decimal point?
Actually, in the bitcoin algorithm, there is - and it's 8 digits. That's the actual medium of exchange. It even has a name - one satoshi. Bitcoin is currently trading at US $28,052.79. That means one satoshi is worth (rounded) $0.0003. Roughly translated, a loaf of bread costs about 6000 satoshi.
If the US dollar loses value due to inflation, the price of bread in dollars goes up - but the loaf of bread will still cost about 6000 satoshi. The only way bread's price in satoshi changes is if the underlying value of bitcoin changes - which it does wildly and semi-randomly but that won't drive anything that will make it unworkable as a unit of currency.
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Well there’s an infinite number of decimal places so you’re saying that by its digital nature bitcoin has been “printed” infinitely.
There’s a reason why we don’t use gold to buy a loaf of bread.
No exactly. But 8 digits does get you to 2.1 x 10^15 currency units which is about 1000 times as many dollars as are in circulation - or about 10 times as many pennies as are possible today. That's not "infinite" but it's pretty darned close.
Remember that we used to buy bread with gold. Never very much gold for a single loaf but some quite small coins existed. The reason we don't buy bread with gold today is not because of inflation but because the real cost of bread has fallen so very, very much. The aggregate purchasing power of a unit of gold is basically flat over century timescales.
To clarify, if a Roman semi-skilled worker such as a barber wanted to buy a loaf of bread, he'd have to cut 4 heads of hair. Today's barbers are approximately as productive as Roman ones - there's not much you can do to increase barber productivity - but a barber today can buy 10-15 loaves of bread for the labor of a single head of hair. Modern agriculture (and to a lesser extent, baking methods) have dropped the real price of bread to 1/50th what it was in Roman times. So if you paid in gold for Roman bread, you'd need a coin 1/50th the size to buy it using gold today, not because of inflation but because bread is now so much cheaper compared to everything else.
With coins, there is a practical minimum size before they start getting lost in the fibers of your pocket. With digital currencies, you are limited only by the number of digits allowed by the algorithm.
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Uh, you win the award for the longest most convoluted agreement with me today.
Smell it?
Rossami, you are actually hitting on the main problem with Bitcoin. Most people want a currency to be a lock-in of their excess productivity. And Bitcoin, by virtue of its limited print fails this test in the opposite manner as most fiat currencies.
Let's set a simple definition: Surplus Productivity: the amount of goods or services that you can produce that you do not need and would be wasted if you produced it.
Your barber produces far more haircuts than he needs to survive- any haircutting that he does is largely wasted. Back in the day, many farms barely produced enough food to feed the family working it. They did not have any surplus productivity.
The whole reason we have currency is to lock in that surplus productivity. The barber sells his surplus productivity to some bloke and gets a shiny token, which he then turns around and sells to a farmer for THEIR surplus productivity so that he can eat. Let's just set an arbitrary price. 1 Haircut = 1 token = 1 lb of Grain.
The problem with Fiat currency is that my store of productivity is eaten away by rats at a central bank. Inflation means that if the barber immediately buys grain, his one haircut bought 1 bag of grain. But if he waits a year, his one haircut only buys .9 lbs of grain. The fiat system did NOT lock in his productivity.
Bitcoin presents the opposite problem. With deflation, the Barber sells a haircut and waits a year, and can now buy 1.2 lbs of Grain. Many people think this is awesome. But it isn't awesome to the people who aren't the Barber. The Barber didn't lock in his surplus productivity, his productivity miraculously increased in value for no reason other than time. Barbers today with excess productivity can buy more grain than a Barber in 6 months with exactly the same surplus. This makes people today want to use the currency, for the promise of their productivity increasing in value, but eventually OTHER people won't want to use the currency because they have to spend more labor than the "Early Adopters".
The perfect currency is one that balances the money supply effectively so that a barber locking in his surplus today will get the same number of tokens as someone locking in surplus next year (other things such as fashion, quality, etc being equal). This is not easy, but interestingly Bitcoin has already figured it out. The problem is that Satoshi failed to understand that a deflationary currency is not superior to inflationary. Just inferior in different ways.
How does a barber cutting the hair of someone whose labour he doesn’t need represent “surplus productivity”?
Because that, is the purpose of money. It just happens to store well.
Back to the question you’re all replying to, what if anything prevents bitcoin, or any other cryptocurrency from becoming as corrupt as the fed?
Even if there is already an equivalent of 1000 times more of it already “printed”?
Unless we also make wholesale changes to our economic system, the only benefit of digital money that I currently recognize is convenience.
If this is all about the need to make wholesale changes to our economic system, then I agree we need to.
Money has no real value. We can’t eat it, it makes scratchy clothing and doesn’t even burn particularly well.
It’s value only really comes from the labour put into the products it represents.
Anything that adds or decreases value without consideration for that labour is corrupt.
5000 years ago or so, a particular religion described how interest was only to be charged to non members of their cult.
People can figure out how to take from others without giving equal value in return. Really bad people make a living from this behaviour.
That corruption forms the basis of our current economic system that we have designed.
Good people, and economic systems, don’t deviate from the concept that only labour has value and that labour should be traded fairly and equally between every living person on earth.
“How does a barber cutting the hair of someone whose labour he doesn’t need represent “surplus productivity”?”
The simpler analogy is a farm. Early colonials settling farms on the frontier went from barely growing enough food to survive, to generating surpluses. If you had no way to use that surplus grain, it was wasted. It would rot by the next year- so absent some mechanism of “Locking in” that surplus (i.e. saving it for when they needed it) the rational play for a farmer is to use their labor to grow only the grain they need and nothing more. Then they direct their labor to something else- raising livestock or building their shelter. We both know this is suboptimal, because a great farmer may not be good at animal husbandry or carpentry.
It turns out that the early colonists figured out a great way to lock in their surplus for the long term- they turned it into whiskey. And for several years, whiskey was traded as a currency in frontier America. Because whiskey existed as a medium of exchange, the rational play for farmers was to do what they were efficient at (growing grain), lock in that surplus productivity (as whiskey) and then use that medium to get the other things they needed.
When people talk about the attributes of a good currency (durability, divisibility, etc) they are talking about its suitability as a store of surplus productivity. A barber could cut his and his family’s hair and then spend his labor doing all the other shit he needs to survive. It is only rational for him to cut more hair (of strangers) if he can trade that surplus productivity for other stuff that he needs. A good currency facilitates that exchange.
“what if anything prevents bitcoin, or any other cryptocurrency from becoming as corrupt as the fed?”
Well corruption is definitely a problem, but you should not lose site of the fact that in some cases a currency is just superior for other reasons (maybe it is more portable or divisible or securable?). But to your specific question: What makes a currency corrupt? I would argue that there are two requisites of corruption. 1) Its deviation from suitability (which makes it lose value), and 2) the ability for “a few” to benefit from this deviation asymmetrically (thus exchanging it for something of value before the loss of value).
Fiat sucks because it loses value day over day over day. That’s what inflation is, the market’s recognition that the dollar is less and less suitable as a currency every day- but that value loss is asymmetrical, right? The banker who printed a dollar for NOTHING and buys shares in your business with dollars at today’s value. You take that money and buy the stuff your business needs at tomorrow’s value…not as much value as the banker, but if you spend the money wisely, you can still capture most of the value. The workers get a real raw deal- their wages are negotiated yearly, so you are paying them at a discount for nearly a year. The fiat money is corrupt because privileged few can access the money before it loses value.
Bitcoin has a similar problem, but I would argue that it is less corrupt. Someone uses their excess productivity (electricity and hardware) to mint a new coin and uses it to buy the excess productivity of a barber. Because of the deflationary aspect of the hard-cap, the value of the seller’s labor INCREASES over time. The person who minted the coin has their haircut, but over a year of holding the coin, the barber can now buy MORE with the coin. He could go to another barber and get the same exact haircut and pay that person .8 BTC. This is an asymmetry- 1 haircut = 1 BTC = 1 Haircut + .2 BTC. I would argue that while corrupt, it is less corrupt, because (right now) anyone can benefit from that asymmetry. The barber who just got .8 BTC can now save it, and in one year, 1 haircut = .8 BTC = 1 Haircut + .1 BTC. So “the few” is a constantly moving population of people who chose to hold their BTC. (This by the way is why Rossami’s description of the divisibility of BTC is wrong…the many decimal places don’t “print” new BTC- it just solves for liquidity, which is not the same as printing.)
But, as you note, where there is the chance of asymmetry, there is a chance for the few to exploit that asymmetry. This is exactly why BTC is so volatile- because speculators are betting on the deflationary aspects of the coin. And there is a very real danger for BTC that governments will impose their own will on these asymmetries. It is relatively easy for regulators to see who is trading on BTC and they can use taxation and other regulation to rob “the many” of that deflationary asymmetry and instead grant it to a few. For example, what if the government monitored deflation numbers and took the barber’s extra deflationary surplus for “fairness”. Now 1 haircut = 1 BTC = 1 Haircut + .2 BTC Taxed away = .8 BTC = 1 Haircut + .1 BTC taxed away = .7 BTC. What do you know? The government and its cronies is getting all our money again.
Cryptocurrency (i.e. cryptographically secured, blockchain-based currencies) are absolutely useful for creating “fair” currencies, but only when the currency programmed onto them is acceptable. And BTC, as much as I love it, is not programmed in a way to avoid asymmetry. Shrug.
We don’t have currency to “lock in surplus productivity”. In fact, keeping your “surplus productivity” in fiat currency is stupid because they lose value over time.
You keep value in commodities or investments. You want the commodities to increase in value. Viewed as a currency, that means you want them to deflate.
But commodity money and currency are primarily a means of exchange. Your best bet for storing value is always investments, either directly or through well run banks.
The concept of hard work to store wealth for difficult times is not a human creation.
Squirrels store nuts.
Taking from others without giving equal value in return isn’t exclusively human behaviour either.
The concepts of fairness, equality and inalienable human rights do represent civilized intelligence seldom displayed outside of humanity.
We developed and codified those concepts for everyones equal survival. We call it civilization.
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"In fact, keeping your “surplus productivity” in fiat currency is stupid because they lose value over time."
That is a fact solely caused by the inflationary behavior of fiat. It is not an inherent attribute of currency. The reason people sell their labor for currency is absolutely to translate their very specific productivity (barbering) into an abstract value that others will accept when they don't need a hair cut. It is literally locking in the value of your excess productivity.
"But commodity money and currency are primarily a means of exchange. Your best bet for storing value is always investments, either directly or through well run banks."
You view it this way merely because we live in a world dominated by fiat currency. But the point you miss is not that they are primarily means of exchange. They are primarily stores of value, and this is one attribute that makes them suitable as a means of exchange. Other things like portability, divisibility, uniformity, etc also make it more suitable as a medium of exchange.
It is a fucking criminal conspiracy that entitled and elite few are able to use dollar inflation to force people into risky investments so that they can "preserve" their wealth. That should have never been the case.
Investments, interest, the market represent some of those corrupt aspects of our economy that change value without consideration for the labour which gives the term value meaning.
Through them mere wealth changes value thus rigging the economic system.
Everyone must participate in the corruption or be poor and once participating are completely vulnerable to the wealthy manipulating the value of those investments.
Only the fear of being caught bringing down the whole ponzy scheme limits their greed.
Greed also being what prevents the only moderately wealthy participants from recognizing and exposing the scheme.