Dump the Politicized Case Against Trump and Make Way for Serious Investigations
The New York charges look weak, and Americans think they’re politically motivated.

If the polls have it right, the indictment of former President Donald J. Trump on fraud charges based on a hush money payment to Stormy Daniels is pretty popular among Americans. Count me among those interested in seeing politicians led off in handcuffs, though I think the experience should probably be a rite of passage for everybody who holds government office.
But there's a warning in those polls: Beyond the fact that they were conducted before we knew precisely the charges faced by Trump, they also reflect widespread belief that the indictment is politically motivated. That's troubling for the legitimacy of the proceedings, and a hint that we could see more similar indictments in the future than would suit even my appetite for political spectacle.
"Sixty percent of Americans approve of the indictment of former President Donald Trump, according to a new CNN Poll conducted by SSRS," the Trump-obsessed news network announced this week.
"A plurality of Americans think former President Donald Trump should have been charged by a Manhattan grand jury with a history-making indictment," ABC News reported of an Ipsos poll.
Both polls came with caveats.
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Americans Think It's a Political Prosecution
"Most Americans (76%) believe politics played at least some role in the decision to indict Trump, who is both a former president and current candidate for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination," added CNN. "About half (52%) see it as having played 'a major role' in the decision."
"At the same time, a plurality of Americans (47%) say the charges against the former president are politically motivated," agreed ABC News.
Those opinions should be mutually exclusive, but CNN finds majorities of independents approving of the indictment (62 percent) and saying that politics played a major role (52 percent—another 24 percent say it played a minor role). Sixty percent of Democrats believe that politics played at least some role.
It seems many Americans support criminal proceedings they believe are based on partisan animus, which shouldn't play any role in charging people for breaking laws. Maybe it's Trump fatigue; surveys find popular resistance to the prospect of a Biden-Trump rematch in 2024. Thumbs-up to the indictment could be a shorthand way of asking for somebody to shuffle one of the prospective rerun candidates off the stage with even a thin excuse. And Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg's allegations that payoffs to conceal an affair constitute felony violation of campaign finance laws do look thin.
Of All the Potential Charges, Why These?
"Bragg…is relying on debatable facts, untested legal theories, and allegations that are tawdry but far from earthshaking," Reason's Jacob Sullum wrote last week.
"Donald Trump deserves the legal scrutiny he's getting — which has come from many corners on many counts. Yet of the long list of alleged violations, the likely charges on which a grand jury in New York state voted to indict him are perhaps the least compelling," cautioned The Washington Post's editorial board. "Pyramiding two transgressions of state rules to go after a federal candidate is legally plausible. But the strategy is also novel, and courts may regard it with skepticism."
"Bragg's investigation arguably pales in significance compared with other ongoing investigations of the former president," agrees the Los Angeles Times editorial board. "Given those potentially more consequential investigations, some will argue that Bragg should have exercised his prosecutorial discretion and refrained from pressing this case."
But, adds the LA Times, "convicted or acquitted, Trump must not be returned to the White House."
That last point jibes with polling and reinforces concerns that the indictment is more about politics than about holding a former president accountable for crimes. In a vicious and sometimes violent political environment, there's no way to escape suspicion that a Democratic prosecutor who has a history of clashes with a Republican former president would misuse power to prevent that opponent from returning to office. If true, that's wrong. While critics of the former president rightly emphasize that "nobody is above the law," neither should anybody fall below its protections. "Untested legal theories" and "novel" strategies that would be unacceptable if unleashed on a regular person because they criminalize behavior in unpredictable ways also shouldn't be wielded to force Trump out of politics.
"Trump isn't Al Capone, an underworld figure whose imprisonment by any means unambiguously serves the public good," Damon Linker wrote for Persuasion. "His indictment has the potential to do real damage if the case against him isn't maximally solid and based on indisputable evidence of egregious wrongdoing, because he will use the effort to throw him in jail as confirmation that the corrupt system and its defenders are out to get him and the voters who view him as their champion."
That's not speculation; it's a pattern seen around the world when prosecutions become political tools.
Politicized Prosecutions Aren't an American Invention
"At first glance, prosecuting current or past top officials accused of illegal conduct seems like an obvious decision for a democracy: Everyone should be held accountable and subject to the rule of law," the University of Washington's Victor Menaldo, James D. Long, and Morgan Wack observed in 2021 when cases against political figures were underway in Bolivia, France, Israel, South Africa, and the U.S. But, they added, "if the prosecution of past leaders is brought by a political rival, it can lead to a cycle of prosecutorial retaliation."
That's not to say that Trump or any other current or former officeholder should be considered off-limits. The authors found "that both sweeping immunity and overzealous prosecutions can undermine democracy." By and large, established democracies are up to the task of holding political figures accountable for their actions. But Menaldo, Long, and Wack warned that "even in mature democracies, prosecutors or judges can weaponize prosecutions."
In recent years, commentators have warned against the misuse of swatting, child-abuse reports, and red-flag hotlines against political opponents and personal enemies. Add prosecutorial powers to that list. Threatening people with conviction, fines, and imprisonment is serious, and should be undertaken only for actual wrongdoing.
In good company among the sleazy political class, Donald J. Trump raises concerns about illegality. But as many of his critics admit, the New York charges involve the least serious alleged transgressions and most tendentious interpretations of law. Better to let other investigations of his behavior on January 6 or interference in Georgia's elections play out than to target the former president with a politically motivated prosecution. Otherwise, Bragg and company could delegitimize the legal process and invite retaliation from Republicans when they have the opportunity to return the favor.
Even my taste for making government officials suffer some of the abuses they've inflicted on the public balks at the prospect of setting off a cycle of tit-for-tat political prosecutions.
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"Sixty percent of Americans approve of the indictment of former President Donald Trump, according to a new CNN Poll conducted by SSRS," the Trump-obsessed news network announced this week.
And most of them want Trump punished simply for being Trump (and challenging their own ideological world visions).
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As Charlie Kirk has said, it is time for conservative DA's to start to indict BLM for their litany of crimes and fraud.
I saw the same Timcast IRL episode. It was quite good, a lot to digest. I especially appreciated the discussion on the need to focus on the machinery of turning out votes early. Interesting discussion on the electoral map as well....7 counties within three states will decide the election? Like I said, a lot to digest.
Also, has anyone looked into having Bragg deported. He’s not here legally. Alvin Bragg isn’t even his real name.
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I saw the same Timcast IRL episode. It was quite good,
Trump has survived plenty of investigations already — remember the Mueller investigation? How about the Ukraine impeachment inquiry? — but criminal charges, and a subsequent arrest, could have a dramatic effect on his 2024 campaign. Never before has a former president been charged with a crime. moving companies in Egypt
Wow, this new AI-based spam really makes me want to move to Egypt.
Probably ChatGPT, it's ideal for generating this sort of thing, and with the right plug in can automatically generate and post spam all day.
ChatGPT is rapidly going from court jester to king. In any case, I can't stop thinking about Egypt now.
🙂
I always wanted to go there and unleash Imhotep upon the world.
Can't be much worse than Biden and his cohorts.
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Most of the Dems I know have themselves convinced that trump is such a unique "existential threat to democracy" that keeping him out of office is an end which justifies "any means necessary" (just don't ask about the times they applied the same terminology to GWB, Mitt Romney, and to a lesser extent John McCain because those instances have all been put down the "memory hole"); somehow they don't see just choosing not to empower him by building him up into the center which all public discourse revolves around as an option in that fight, so now engaging in exactly the kind of "banana republic" tactics that they claimed he was about to unleash at any moment is, in their minds, justifiable.
For context though, these are the same people who claimed for years that trump was a pure authoritarian looking to make himself the literal King (with hereditary title passing to his children) and also that his "greatest failure" was in not responding to the pandemic in the way such a person would have done (using the resulting fear to consolidate and solidify power, which is exactly what the person they claimed he was would have actually done). The powers of doublethink are strong in their heads.
"In good company among the sleazy political class, Donald J. Trump raises concerns about illegality."
I also believe, that for many people, Trump's biggest crimes include his open, crude version of sleaze, and not using the sophisticated D.C. insider sleaze.
So is this, then, finally, the eagerly awaited “Drag Queen Stormy Daniels Hour” that I’ve heard SOOO much about?
I do have to hang my head in shame these days, and ‘fess up to being old, over the hill, and out of touch!
Butt… Now what IS this deal about “Drag Queen Stormy Daniels Hour” who-haaa thingee anyway?!?!? Is or was she the Queen of Dragging men (against their will and utmost efforts at self-control) into her lady-parts bear-trap “Snatch, I gotcha” device? What can one DO to resist her contriving and cuntriving mind control?
Does GREAT world-ass-class POETRY fend off her mind cuntrol? Doesn’t hurt to try, right?
All Hail Der TrumpfenFuhrer, Full of Grace Savior of the human race! Never mind, us all, He’ll disgrace! Conservatards, above all, MUST save face! In glory, a glaze of Vaseline, Behold Stormy Daniels, our Queen! What a scene, what a scene! The Donald? NEVER so obscene! Now don’t you DARE throw a fit, It won’t matter, not even a bit, We mustn’t ever, EVER quit, We be saved, by The Trumptatorshit!
Q: What’s the difference between a rooster and a Stormy Daniels? A: The rooster says “Cock-a-doodle-doooo”!, while the Stormy Daniels says “Any cock’ll do!”
Is their sleaze that sophisticated, or do they just benefit from the fact that the media is jealous of their glamorous sleaze so they don't report it?
Bragg ran for NY AG on prosecuting Trump for something, anything. Therefore, it is beyond question that this particular set of indictments are politically motivated. That there is doubt that the alleged underlying crime is even a violation under federal law, is icing on the cake.
Even the neocon blogs are having to admit that there's not a lot of substance to the charges, and that this gives more credence to the fact that these are mostly politically motivated. Not that this is stopping them from saying he should be convicted of them anyway, even though these same self-righteous dumbshits are constantly lamenting when the right ends up using the left's tactics later on.
When some red state DA decides to look into Hunter's activities in their state and bring up on trumped-up charges, I guarantee the same moderate right who doesn't want to fight the culture war will spill more tears about the reaction than the action that provoked it.
I think you're confusing Bragg with the current NY State AG, who did run on a platform of promising to spend virtually all of her time/energy in office trying to find charges that could be used to take down trump, as well as his children, and to destroy his entire business operation. No real mention of actually enforcing the laws of the State of New York against any other individuals or in any way addressing crimes of any severity committed by anyone else in the State (with a possible exception of some kinds of city/county/state employees who happen to wear uniforms to work).
In order for there to be "tit for tat", the Republicans would have to return to power. With the Democrats/Deep State controlling the election machinery, that will never happen. As far as the democratic process is concerned, they've won.
Leaving only extralegal means for overturning government. Do enough people have the will? Usually the answer is no, they wait for the USA to do it for them. Who do we wait for, Russia?
Or secession.
The Feds/deep state will never allow secession. They slaughtered 600,000 men the last time we tried. (1860-1864). They’d sacrifice 2-3 million this time to stay in power.
What they allow or don't allow may not necessarily be up to them. Any kind of real, actual break--and the odds of this happening grow more likely every day--may get put down and suppressed, but we don't have the same monoculture now that we did back during the first Civil War, which better enabled a reconciliation to take place.
The elites have shown that, while they are very good at manipulating institutions where they can plan ahead months or even years in advance, they aren't all that agile on rapid developments that they didn't instigate themselves, such as the Floyd riots. Watch their reactions to Dobbs or the tranny school shooter, and you get a good idea of how unexpected events causes shorts in their programming signal. Anything that stays inside their decision cycle would cause their moral will to collapse very quickly.
What planet are you on? That one had a hell of a lot more to do with a temper tantrum thrown by some people in some states over the election of a Republican President. Not everyone in those states voted for secession nor wanted to secede.
No secession. Just cleanse the democrats. Of course, they are certainty welcome to leave, forever.
I believe a popular revolution against a modern techno-authoritarian state is impossible.
Maybe, but random people can still pop off and take out apparatchiks like Tuccile.
Have you heard ofg the concept of guerilla warfare?
Like Antifa-BLM mostly peaceful demonstrations?
Yes, that's something that used to work.
In order for there to be the potential for parsimonious “tit for tat”, the Republicans would have to return to power.
The GOP winning elections and conducting trials through the courts is the good outcome. As opposed to the burning and looting we saw during The Summer of Love because mobs of people found others guilty of owning shops, being religious, not wearing a mask, or just being out in public.
it appears that all the statist fucktards over at the atlantic are disappointed there wasn't a violent riot outside the courthouse
... of all people they should know that the fbi needs more of a lead time to break out the proud boys and oath keepers 🙂
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These are the same people who found assaults and executions of Republicans to be no big deal or deserved so what else would you expect
Leftists aren't people
For a group of professional instigators, the feds aren't very resilient. Their crimes take quite a while to plan.
Yeah, their crisis actors are typically groomed on an individual basis and pointed at soft targets over several months or even years. The indictment happened way too fast for them to get anyone spun up in time.
They couldn't get Ray Epps to courthouse in time, so their efforts weren't as focused.
Poll result: My team is cheating. Yay!
Yes, this!!!
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If you're going to cheat, go big or go home.
You have to make it so big that people won't believe it in spite of any evidence. Very few people want to believe that things are as corrupted as they seem to be, so they just won't.
"Sixty percent of Americans approve of the indictment of former President Donald Trump, according to a new CNN Poll conducted by SSRS," the Trump-obsessed news network announced this week.
Saying they're Trump-obsessed is like saying David DePape is Paul Pelosi-obsessed. Even CNN makes the prudent call to go with "dangerous fixation".
Bragg removed any doubt about the politics of this when he filed one charge for each piece of paper.
That would be like indicting Hillary for each email, or Billy Jeff for each blow job, or Nancy for each share of stock in the insider trades, or Fauci for each time he lied.
Fauci for each jab.
Fauci for each person who died because they were denied hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin.
https://babylonbee.com/news/democrats-throw-biggest-ever-fundraiser-for-trump-campaign
From the Bee piece:
"At publishing time, it had been revealed that half the donations to the Trump campaign came from Democrat activists who are desperately hoping he runs again."
This is actually true. In 2022, at least in Colorado, DNC activists told party faithful to donate to the most MAGA candidates in the (R) primaries, and to re-register in order to vote for them. I have long said that if Trump did not exist, the Democrats would have to create him--which they did. And now certainly will not let him go.
I hope it destroys them. The democrat party cannot continue to exist, and the hardcore leftists have to go. America can’t survive hem indefinitely. We are seeing the beginning of America’s destruction because they have been tolerated thus far.
Cleanse them while we still have a country.
The country was lost when the 2020 election was so blatantly stolen, and nothing was done about it.
Correct
The Capitol riot was already investigated.
And there is now law that defines "interference in elections".
If by investigation you mean the D.C. version of Hollywood Squares (with episodes of funniest FBI home videos spliced in), then sure.
When even your own investigation and Soviet show trial cannot put together a credible case without opposition to refute it, the case has been investigated enough.
"Sixty percent of Democrats believe that politics played at least some role."
As it should, right?
"Winning isn't everything--it's the only thing."
There wasn't a single libertarian view in this article. It was a strategy document for dems to go after Trump.
Wow!
It really bothered the power-mad obsessed leftard that President Trump wasn't fearful of their [Na]tional So[zi]alist empire.
He was out-of-line with the Nazi march!!!!
That is what this is all about. Instilling FEAR in anyone who won't do the Nazi-March in politics.
Hmm, anyone tried to post something with the name of a UK-based libertarian website included, and have it vanish into the Reason memory hole?
Here is what I tried to post, with the site name redacted:
Meanwhile, over on XXXXXXXXXX:
"Trump’s great crime is to have stood up to the elites"
I wonder how a US-based libertarian publication would cover this.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/04/05/trumps-great-crime-is-to-have-stood-up-to-the-elites/
The 'Shoe on the Other Foot' Test, recently re-popularized by Alan Dershowitz, seems relevant here. Anyone from Team D feel free to take a stab at answering.
Suppose POTUS Biden or POTUS Obama faced the identical situation - 34 felony counts based on paying a paramour to stay silent via an NDA - only from a Louisiana District Attorney (not NYC): would you still feel the same?
I have to tell you, I don't think you would. That's the problem, in a nutshell.
We're way past shoe on the other foot time.
Only friend/enemy matters now.
And JD Tuccile is certainly an enemy of the people.
Since that would never happen, I am sure they feel safe in saying “uhh yeah sure, that’s fine! (^: ”
"Trump isn't Al Capone, an underworld figure whose imprisonment by any means unambiguously serves the public good,"
Your right he's way worse. Capone sold vice to willingly customers. Trump robbed every taxpayer with illegal taxes, funded the Covid lockdowns and had his CDC confiscate the private property of landlords.
LOL
It's impressive that a gnat has learned to type.
Lighten up, Francis.
Leftists really can't meme
Hint: nardz thinks twitter is a 'source'; he's 5 cards shy of a full deck.
Lol
Such a boomer whinge
Make that a full dozen.
You guys stop fighting each other and focus on democrats. Once they’re exterminated like diseased rats you can do whatever you want with each other.
Priorities guy, priorities. If you’re both pissed off, beat up on Sarc, Shirke, Groomer Jeffy, etc.
Roosevelt got in bed with Stalin; I won't make that mistake.
Maybe, but the people who are trying to jail him are not going after him for those things. They are the ones who agreed with all that and think Trump did not go far enough with those types of policies.
True, I just didn't like seeing a good bootleggers name being dragged in the mud with an unfair comparison to Trump.
And we hate to see serial murderers like Stalin have their names besmirched by comparison to fucking ignoramuses like you.
I do love how as a country so many people completely ignore how the federal government works and refuse to acknowledge Congress' role.
I've also call for all of Congress to be jailed as well for their role, but this article was about Trump. Good to see you try to deflect his responsibility for the crimes he committed.
And you prove again you dont understand how Congress works. Which covid funding bill was not passed with veto proof majorities? Please enlighten us. You also didn't even specify any crimes. You used vague narratives. Lol.
Youre as bad as JD. You know trump is guilty, you just can't be specific how.
You also seem to forget he also cut taxes. He also reduced regulations. It is hilarious watching some of you.
Oh so if he had come out against it instead of being for it; he couldn't have gotten the votes? What a leader. He signed it, that makes him equally responsible for it!
Lol.
Fucking a. Just admit you don't understand how shit works. Congress votes 99% for something and you demand symbolic action from someone who would have no say instead of blaming those who do.
This is the bullshit that supports the continued abdication of congressional responsibility. The thing you claim to be against. Yet you advocate for the very same reason Congress does it. Youre part of the problem.
S/he's a TDS-addled pile of shit; no more, no less.
Trump would have been eviscerated for holding up anything COVID related.
He did the best he could in an impossible situation, where anyone, having a position contrary to the media-created narrative was immediately labeled a murderer.
Also Congress played no role other than abdicate its responsibility in the eviction moratorium. They should have impeached and removed him from office for that alone.
Hey you found one. Yes the eviction shit was wrong. But the states were more in control of that issue. Arizona rescinded those rules fairly quickly. California did not. It was largely a state level action. The federal action was tied to federal funds for the most part.
But even there you are wrong. It was inserted i to the veto proof CARES act by Congress.
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IN/IN11516
The national eviction moratorium took effect less than two weeks after the expiration of a different and narrower set of eviction protections established by the CARES Act (§4024).
I said that in the OP. And once again you mitigate his crimes.
What crimes? Be. Fucking. Specific.
And what mitigation? Being truthful. Sorry the truth hurts your narratives. God damn.
You didnt mention Congress once in your OP. You put the blame solely on trump. Youre part of the problem.
"funded the Covid lockdowns and had his CDC confiscate the private property of landlords."
I'm with SaGN on this. Trump had the ability to put the breaks on this but he didn't.
The fact is that Trump was terrible on Covid. Not as bad as the Dems or GOPe would have been, and yes, he was often railroaded into dumb things, but still really bad.
Let's face it, DeSantis handled it better.
I'd agree with that; Trump only looks like a good President because the alternatives were generally even more awful.
No I said the CDC moratorium specifically, as it covered all landlords. The Cares Act moratorium was only for certain federal programs.
Are you unaware of the active resistance that occurred at the federal level for 4 years? Next you will explicitly blame trump for leaving troops in Syria despite his generals lying to him about it.
Trump started discussing opening the US in the summer of 2019. The CDC meanwhile was working with leftist groups like the teachers unions and blue state governors to push terrible science. Trumps biggest mistake was trusting the CDC. He only appointed one of the primary members who the CDC ran out of the covid task force. The CDC was largely unchanged in staff under trump from prior administrations. He is at fault for not clearing house, but it is the CDC most responsible for the falsified science.
Another example of how you choose to blame someone you openly hate instead of blaming the institution responsible. Trump is not a scientist. He never claimed to be. His issue there is trusting the establishment on those views. But even then he spoked against them often. Media even attacked him for doing so.
You seem intent on blaming a single individual for the covid shit while ignoring the entirety of the issue. Youre part of the problem.
Oh the resistance made him do it. What a defense. And never once did I say anything about Syria, other than it falls squarely on Obama.
Well I guess its ok since he talked about doing something. Would have been nice if you know ge acted on all that talking. Guess Tweets are all that matter for you but gor me, actions speak louder than words. And once again plenty of blame to go around, including Trump.
Still waiting for you to specify Trump's "crimes"; your TDS seems to have forced your head to be inserted in your ass.
I see "Always a Great Liar" has yet t inform us regarding the "crimes" in this kangaroo proceeding.
Federal departments stepping beyond their authority is not a crime. Perhaps it should be. If you really thought that, you would have a lot to say about Biden's admin.
Great, and once we get done locking up/executing all the democrats we can have such conversations. You do support annihilation of the democrats, right?
"Your right he’s way worse. Capone sold vice to willingly customers. Trump robbed every taxpayer with illegal taxes, funded the Covid lockdowns and had his CDC confiscate the private property of landlords."
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
Lets see here.... WHO wrote the Cares Act bill???
The only right-away you carry is that Trump didn't VETO the bill.
"But, but, but.......... Trump didn't STOP them..." /s
Humorously; If you wanted to prosecute Trump as well as every President of the past and present for UN-Constitutional support of Nazi-bills I'd be a SUPER BIG fan of that. Trump and Republicans really F'Up his last term.
But your party-biased prosecution point at this time is just witch-hunting an opponent to your Nazi-Empire building desires.
"Sixty percent of Americans approve of the indictment of former President Donald Trump, according to a new CNN Poll conducted by SSRS," the Trump-obsessed news network announced this week.
Does this jive for anyone else? It's entirely possible I exist within a bubble and don't realize just how bloodthirsty everyone else is for this, but that seems ridiculously high to me. Maybe I really am out of touch with people.
The progressives are neo Marxist totalitarians. They will kill people over politics. See red suv, trannie shooting, people killing republican canvassers in Washington Oregon CA NY. The murder of 2 gop city councilmen in NJ. And that's on top of people being fired for not being left enough, see the Google engineer, and Mozilla ceo. And these are just at the top of my head.
Democrats openly support using the legal system as a tool against their opponents. They don't even hide this fact.
Are 60 percent of Americans Democrats now, though? That's way out of line with recent presidential elections.
I just don't buy it. I've even seen some Biden voters say they're not in favor of this charge.
Last I checked around 30% belong to each of the major parties, with the remaining 40% being sick of them both.
You assume CNN conducted an honest poll, and is reporting the results correctly.
I wouldn’t wipe Sarc’s hobo ass with a CNN poll.
75% of the people who said convict and yes political were democrats. Independents made up most of the rest, but under 50%
All of the things that say convict and yes need to be executed
When people disagree with you in real life do you attack them and call them names like you do in the comments? If so then maybe they got sick of you and don't talk to you anymore, leaving you in a Trump supporting bubble.
My typical response is not to attack other commenters. If I call your argument mendacious and retarded that's not the same thing as saying you're mendacious and retarded. Though sometimes I'll let out a swear word of incredulity when I see how someone is being deliberately obtuse-but again, saying someone is deliberately obtuse is not "name-calling."
I also do not support Trump in any meaningful way. I don't vote for him, I don't donate to him. I just find the attacks on him to be disingenuous and principally wrong because people have let hatred of Trump serve as an excuse for gross authoritarianism and destruction of liberal principles.
Is sarc pretending again he doesn't do the shit he cries about here?
Run away you little pussy. You have no business running your mouth here.
Either put up, or shut up.
Kinda like how your "cunt" wife left you and got custody of the kids along with a restraining order after you spent a decade beating her and raping your daughter?
It’s worth it to watch the tears stream down the faces of the faithful.
Sarc continues to applaud political prosecutions if it goes after his enemies. Truly an impressive libertarian.
Which faithful? Trumpsters or Obamatarians?
I'm not interested in tears of joy.
Because you only care about weaponization against your enemies.
I’m sure you’ve been serially jerking off to your Trump courtroom photos, you little lossy faggot.
You got anymore tough talk for me? Or are you going to keep running away like the little bitch you are?
Be careful now, if you push sarcasmic too far he'll challenge you to a fight and then pretend he was joking and invite you to a Ministry concert.
I wonder how many times the drunken little faggot got the shit kicked out of him running his mouth like that in dive bars before he got on section 8 and was living on the streets.
Kinda funny since the only tears streaming today have been you and shreek relentlessly socking and seething in impotent rage that your latest WALLS CLOSING IN turned out to be a dud so disastrous that even CNN and MSNPC are distancing themselves from it.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1643444143870423041?t=MQDOqGykNCGT--sL4X4ndA&s=19
Leftist @Brandon4Chicago has won the Chicago mayoral election against moderate Democrat Paul Vallas. Johnson calls for removing law enforcement from society. During the 2020 riots, he defended looters, saying they were lashing out against racism. Chicago’s violent crime has surged over the last few years under Lori Lightfoot.
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Wisconsin election was far more harmful. An open leftist tips the courts to undo even the things Reason applauded Walker for, such as right to work laws. She will also support the permanent fortification of that state for democrats.
Is there a link to him actually defending looters?
It has the pictures of his statements in the tweet....
Teachers are better at filling in mail-in ballots?
Some of the schools which are polling places had their doors locked while poll workers were inside. Therefore, voters could not get inside to cast ballots.
By the way. Reason continues to ignore the Mackey case. I can honestly say Reason has no interest in libertarian ideals anymore. It is only important for them if they can use the tenets to defend leftist practices.
Remember Reason "principles":
1. Open borders (for Uncle).
2. Weed (for the staff).
3. Ass sex (for the staff after too much weed and X).
Or as John so eloquently put it "pot, mexicans and ass sex". Which I still think needs to be on a t-shirt, but I can't be bothered.
https://twitter.com/DissidentSoaps/status/1643447266009829376?t=S-OtY3Omaeq35IRAsn4NuQ&s=19
Janet Protasiewicz ran a nakedly partisan campaign, promising to deliver Democrat policy victories on abortion, mail-in voting & redistricting.
Dan Kelly ran on being a fair and impartial jurist. Now that he’s lost, he can stoke moral outrage at the indignity. The GOP way!
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https://twitter.com/lndian_Bronson/status/1643603774869520386?t=3HQkXQojvdpWroSk3UfSjQ&s=19
Read over his achievements, look at the companies and projects he led, read everything anyone who knew him had to say—and understand that San Francisco is a place it's not surprising even someone like him can be stabbed to death:
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The crazy thing about his murder is that he decided to stay in town an extra day. If he had gone home as planned, he'd still be alive.
" But as many of his critics admit, the New York charges involve the least serious alleged transgressions and most tendentious interpretations of law. Better to let other investigations of his behavior on January 6 or interference in Georgia's elections play out than to target the former president with a politically motivated prosecution."
this is really the burn with this. now that the indictment is unsealed and we all can see it, it is painfully obvious how flimsy this case is and how desperately political the motivations behind it were. it puts me in the odd position of agreeing with the trump suckers that "yes... this is complete BS."
and, should anything ever come out of Georgia or the special council for January 6th.... i don't care about a politician sleeping with a porn star, but trying to use the power of government to overturn an election result.... all those orange man worshipers will lump those charges in with this one to ignore the whole thing. (they will also pretend i never said these charges were BS, and use the whole affair to slay straw man after straw man.)
Stuff your TDS up your ass, fuck off and die, shit-pile.
King snowflake, back again.
Sounds like a BLIZZARD is on its way.
Gee, two socks for the price of one.
Hey faggot, it’s going to get real rucking bad for you and your fe,low travelers.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. And now we've got 6 instances of poor shreek replying from the wrong sock today. Taking this really, really rough, aren't you sport?
SQUAWK!!!
Stuff your TDS up your ass, fuck off and die, shit-pile.
TDS, TDS, fuck off and die, SQUAWK!!!
How...original. Did you think of that all by yourself, or did the puppetmaster with his hand up your ass figure it out?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
i'm mocking the dumb fuck who is on here constantly with a 3 word vocabulary, and the insult you chose to defend him with is that i'm not original?!?!?!?!?!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! what a fucking moron.
Stuff your TDS up your ass, fuck off and die, shit-pile.
Hey, you finally found the shift key at least shreek.
If you want to hedge, you have to do it BEFORE you've made a public asshole out of yourself, shreek. You spent the last week telling us there were going to be open and shut felony tax evasion charges in the indictment. You don't get a do-over after the fact. Yes, you're going to have your pedophile nose rubbed in this just like when you welched on your bet, just like when you walked away from your mortgage, and just like when you got your account banned for posting dark web links to hardcore child pornography. Get used to it. Maybe try not being such a gullible fucking retard next time.
"...Americans think they’re politically motivated..."
Even TDS-addled shit-piles like Tuccille aren't completely blind.
Oh are the snowflakes all upset that their king got indicted?
Fuck off. It's about time we hold leaders accountable. Hopefully it sets a trend.
Fuck off. It’s about time we hold leaders accountable. Hopefully it sets a trend.
A few months later:
raspberrydinners 4 mins ago
Fuck off, this indictment of Hunter by red state yahoos is nothing more than a political witch hunt and you know it.
It's like leftists have no future-time orientation whatsoever.
Being both stupid and dishonest will cause TDS-addled shits to display those symptoms.
Up next Hunter will be indicted for treason and of course drugs, pedophilia and other various criminal activities. I hear he likes little girls much the same as his old man.
PHAKE SKANDULLL!!!!!!!!!!!
shreek is having the worst meltdown of his life today, besides the time he posted dark web links to hardcore child pornography.
If there's ever a cure for your level of stupidity, I hope you'll take it.
"It’s about time we hold leaders accountable."
What in the world is every Democrat Politician doing out of jail then?
They proudly thwart the Supreme Law of this Nation every F'En day.
Speaking of accountability, shreek, would you like to discuss the time you posted dark web links to hardcore child pornography with a grand jury?
Speaking of manipulatilng the law: The Georgia legislature should repeal the laws relating to tampering with elections after Trump is indicted there.
Speaking of delusional shreek sockpuppets...
The New York charges look weak, and Americans think they’re politically motivated.
But what to libertarians think?
Here's a new poll question: "Would you agree it would be proper if your local district attorney indicted you, arrested and arraigned you in court, for a crime that he couldn't or wouldn't specify to your attorney?"
Here is ChatGPT given the instruction to sound like Tuccille, indirectly condemning Trump, while appearing to be neutral.
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It’s important to approach legal proceedings with a fair and impartial mindset, free from political bias or personal opinion. In the case of the indictment against Donald Trump related to the hush money payment to Stormy Daniels, there are concerns about the political motivations behind the charges and the potential for the case to become further politicized.
Instead of continuing down this path, it may be prudent to focus on other issues that have the potential to seriously undermine the democratic process. For example, investigations into Trump’s actions on January 6th and his efforts to overturn the election in Georgia are of great importance to the integrity of our democracy.
It’s not up to me to determine whether or not Trump is guilty of these charges, but as a society, it’s our responsibility to investigate any actions that could potentially harm our democracy. By taking a closer look at these issues, we can ensure that those who seek to undermine the democratic process are held accountable and that our system remains strong.
Ultimately, it’s not about taking sides or pushing personal opinions; it’s about upholding the rule of law and ensuring that justice is served, regardless of political affiliations or personal beliefs.
When your job can be effectively done by a clever chatbot, you didn't plan your future well.
Oh hey, I know Reason likes to criticize Republicans but it often criticizes or focuses intensely on GOP politicians for perplexing reasons. But there are Republicans very definitely worth criticizing and who, in my informed libertarian opinion are extremely deserving.
Are we going to get any discussion of Marco Rubio's comments?
Ham Sandwich.
Better to look at GA and Jan 6th? No they are just as serious, make that just as stupid, as what just took place in NYC.
that's right, get the narrative going now.... gotta keep this prosecutorial misconduct front and center as a good straw man to be ready if anything comes out of those. we can't be bothered with discussing the merits of those potential charges we don't even know about yet.
Fuck off and die, lefty shit.
Lmfao. Remember how you were telling us for a week that there were going to be bombshell tax fraud charges in the indictment, shreek? How's that narrative working out for you?
Who hasn't paid off a hooker for silence? I mean, really.
This is level of candidates we are offered by America's two main political parties, a duel between whose obvious crimes are more prosecutable.
After all Bill Clinton paid off Paula Jones to the tune of $635,000. So what about Monica lewinsky? How much did he pay her off with? And how many trips on Epstein's Lolita express did Bill take?
Paying off a hooker for silence wouldn't be a crime even if that's what actually happened you retarded sack of shit. Mighty white of you to climb up on that moral high ground now after the 8 years you spent with Obama's cock down your gullet and and making excuses for Biden's pay for play scandal.
The door has been opened. Up next: investigations and indctments into the Biden crime family and Bill Clinton. Followed by indictments against Hillary.
Barry Soetoro also needs to be investigated for corruption.
You're not actually dumb enough to believe it will work both ways, right?
Actual crimes were committed. Does Tucille want them thrown away for political reasons. If so, that is an attack on democracy.
The crime of De-Regulating the Nazi-Empire?
U and UR ilk are so FOS and [WE] mob Gov-Gun toting Power-Mad.
Make up your mind, shreek. As retarded as the post-event hedging with your Foo_dd sock is, that's probably the narrative you ought to stick with.
They're doing all this shit and yet Reason is still suffering from TDS so badly that they can't even entertain the idea that maybe it's not Trump that's the problem. You blithering idiots.
Lmfao
"The problem with this concocted political prosecution is that it might make the other political prosecutions we're trying to concoct look less credible!"
God it's going to be great when you die just like your faggot old man, Tuccille. I'll bet your kids hate you as much as you hated him, too.
I am certainly not a lawyer but from what I've read these alleged violations only become felonies when they are used to conceal a larger crime. For all the hoopla, Mister Bragg has yet to reveal what or even if larger crime is being concealed. Without the underlying larger crime, this is little more than political theater and Trump is a master at political theater.
The Deep State, the Democrats and the media could have hurt Trump far more had they all simply ignored him. Trump has used the ongoing investigations & prosecutions to set precedents that the Democratic Party and the Deep State will long regret.
“…Trump has used the ongoing investigations & prosecutions to set precedents that the Democratic Party and the Deep State will long regret.”
It’s not Trump who has done so, it’s the D-party and the swamp critters. He’s simply shown that someone who is not a swamp critter can get elected and threaten their cushy jobs and rent-seeking road to wealth. They do NOT want that to happen again!
Please understand that a coordinated conspiracy is not necessary here; they are terrified and will simply support anyone who advances the program individually; they are all threatened.
Bragg seems to be a particularly loathsome piece of TDS-addled shit, and we can hope a judge tells him so, but there are many other low-lifes the swamp critters are willing to sacrifice if he gets the boot.
Make no mistake; there are billions of dollars involved here; the mob never played for stakes like this, nor had the supposed legal ability to do so.
The "investigations" of more serious allegations are in progress and unaffected by the political indictment.
It was made largely to open the door to the other equally political charges.
What must one do for arepas with Sarait on the beach?
R Mac just had her ".", period, full-stop! So now is NOT a good time to fuck with her!
R Mac, I did not get that comment, either. It is incredibly short-sighted.
He didn't feel that way when it was Hillary or Biden potentially on the block. I will say I feel the same way about journalists but i at least know that's childish and unfair so it's just a passing dream like winning the lottery.
He's so edgy! You almost don't notice that he's sucking totalitarian globalist cock...
It's simple
Bofh sides!
Get trump
Get trump
Make sure you can get trump
Walls closing in
https://reason.com/2020/11/02/make-elections-not-matter-so-much-again/
Chants of "lock her up!" aimed at Hillary Clinton by Donald Trump—or by any candidate at a political opponent—may rally the mob, but they raise the very real possibility that disappointment at the polls will have consequences far more dangerous than thwarted career aspirations. There are plenty of countries where coming out in the wrong end of a vote can land you behind bars.
So that's where he was around election day, 2020. The idea of politicians being locked up for failed campaign bids was repugnant to him at the time, but now he's all about finding more serious reasons to go after Trump. It's a matter of Principals, not principles.
Even those other articles had asides to the "property way to get him and pointed out the other 2 avenues dems are using. They have stayed far away from the Biden corruption such as the SAR reports despite JD claiming in his opening paragraph to go after all politicians.
It is all bullshit.
No different than what we've been seeing playing out in leftist media. They're only upset because they know it'll fail.
What do you think those 57,000 new irs agents are for?
Um, yes. I think someone has had too much to drink before 10 am.
He and Zeb used to be butt buddies, but he's turned on Zeb quite a bit recently for not being quite as radically unhinged as he is. Funny watching a guy who has self-admittedly immolated his personal life, driven away his wife and kids, and spends 16 hours a day ugly-cry drunk-posting on Reason.com to strangers tell anyone else they're an asshole who lives in a bubble.
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Yep. Start throwing prominent democrats in prison everywhere we can. Maybe serve a no knock warrant on Raphael Warnock using a SWAT team.
It will need to go under martial law.