The Shaky New York Case Against Trump Reeks of Desperation To Punish a Reviled Political Opponent
Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg is relying on debatable facts and untested legal theories to transform minor misconduct into a felony.

The New York indictment of Donald Trump, which won't be unsealed until he is arraigned early next week, reportedly includes "more than two dozen counts." That's a surprisingly large number if the case is based entirely on the $130,000 that Trump lawyer Michael Cohen paid porn star Stormy Daniels in 2016 to keep her from talking about her alleged 2006 affair with Trump. The litany of charges reinforces the impression that Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, a Democrat, is trying to justify this belated and dubious prosecution by transforming minor misconduct into a case that looks serious until you consider the underlying allegations.
According to reporting based on anonymous sources close to the investigation, Bragg is relying mainly on a state law that makes it a misdemeanor to falsify business records "with intent to defraud." Trump, who reimbursed Cohen for the hush payment to Daniels, allegedly broke that law when his business misrepresented the reimbursement as payment for legal services under a nonexistent retainer agreement. If the Trump Organization recorded the payment in more than one document, those records could be the basis for several counts under this statute. But each of those counts would still be a Class A misdemeanor, punishable by a maximum fine of $1,000 and/or up to 364 days in jail.
Falsification of business records becomes a Class E felony, punishable by up to four years in prison, when the defendant's "intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof." This is where federal election law comes into play: Federal prosecutors argued that Cohen's payment to Daniels amounted to an excessive campaign contribution, and he accepted that characterization in a 2018 plea agreement.
Since Cohen said he was acting at Trump's behest, the implication was that Trump had solicited and accepted an illegal campaign contribution. Yet the Justice Department never prosecuted Trump for that alleged violation, even after he left office. In 2021, an evenly divided Federal Election Commission (FEC) declined to pursue charges against Trump, his business, or his campaign.
Federal prosecutors would have faced at least two daunting obstacles in trying to make a case against Trump based on the hush money payment. First, as former FEC Chairman Bradley Smith pointed out after Cohen's guilty plea, "it is unclear whether paying blackmail to a mistress is 'for the purpose of influencing an election,' and so must be paid with campaign funds, or a 'personal use,' and so prohibited from being paid with campaign funds." Smith argued that "the best interpretation of the law is that it simply is not a campaign expense to pay blackmail for things that happened years before one's candidacy—and thus nothing Cohen (or, in this case, Trump, too) did is a campaign finance crime."
The distinction between a personal expenditure and a campaign expenditure hinges on the question of whether Trump was trying to avoid publicity that could have hurt his chances of defeating Hillary Clinton or was merely trying to avoid embarrassment and/or spare his wife's feelings. While the proximity of the payment to the election supports the first inference, convicting Trump of violating federal law would have required proving that hypothesis beyond a reasonable doubt.
The difficulty of doing that was illustrated by the 2012 trial of former North Carolina senator and Democratic vice presidential nominee John Edwards, who was accused of accepting several hundred thousand dollars in illegal campaign contributions from a wealthy supporter. Edwards used the money to hide an extramarital affair and the baby that resulted from it. Federal prosecutors argued that his intent was to avoid a scandal that would have compromised his campaign for his party's 2008 presidential nomination.
Edwards argued that covering his mistress's living expenses was a personal expenditure aimed at deceiving his wife, who was dying from cancer at the time. Jurors evidently favored that interpretation, because they acquitted Edwards of one charge while deadlocking on five others.
The other major challenge in proving a case like this is related to the ambiguity that the Edwards jury confronted: Prosecutors have to prove that the defendant "knowingly and willfully" violated federal election law. In Trump's case, it is not clear that he had the requisite intent, because he seemed genuinely confused about what federal election law requires.
In addition to the count based on the payment to Daniels, Cohen pleaded guilty to causing an illegal corporate campaign donation by arranging for The National Enquirer to pay former Playboy model Karen McDougal $150,000 for her story about sex with Trump, which it kept under wraps. "Those two counts aren't even a crime," Trump told Fox News after Cohen's guilty plea. He emphasized that he reimbursed Cohen with his own money, as opposed to campaign funds, which "could be a little dicey."
Responding to those comments, CNN political correspondent Chris Cillizza observed, "What Trump doesn't know about campaign finance law is, um, a whole lot." But if Trump did not understand the law, which Smith argues is hazy on this point, and/or did not anticipate how federal prosecutors would interpret it, he did not "knowingly and willfully" violate it.
"With respect to both payments," the sentencing memo in Cohen's case says, "he acted in coordination with and at the direction of Individual-1"—i.e., Trump. But that does not necessarily mean that Trump understood the payments to be illegal, which would have required rejecting what a former FEC chairman describes as "the best interpretation of the law" and recognizing a distinction that Smith thinks is "unclear" at best.
In short, federal prosecutors probably had good reasons for declining to charge Trump. Yet now Bragg is relying on that uncharged and unproven federal crime to prosecute Trump for a felony under state law. There are a couple of problems with that.
First, if Trump did not think he was violating federal law, it is hard to see how he could have falsified business records with the intent of concealing that crime. Second, it is not clear that a violation of federal election law counts as "another crime" under the New York statute.
The most promising basis for that claim seems to be Section 17-152 of New York's election law, which says "any two or more persons who conspire to promote or
prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means and which conspiracy is acted upon by one or more of the parties thereto, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor." Cohen and Trump are two people, and Cohen says they conspired to promote Trump's election by paying off Daniels and arranging the National Enquirer payment to McDougal.
The Justice Department (and Cohen) described both payments as violations of federal election law. If that counts as "unlawful means," the violation of Section 17-152 could qualify as the other crime that Trump allegedly was trying to conceal by falsifying business records.
"Under New York law," Joshua Stanton and three other attorneys say in a recent Just Security essay, "'unlawful means' appears to be construed broadly—and is not limited to crimes….In a 100-year-old opinion, the state appellate court with authority over Manhattan ruled that 'unlawful means' as written in another statute does not necessitate 'the commission of a crime.' Instead, the court held that 'unlawful means' simply refers to conduct 'unauthorized by law.'"
That definition, Stanton et al. say, "is consistent with what we would expect to find when construing the meaning of section 17-152." According to the New York Court of Appeals, they note, undefined statutory terms "are generally to be given their 'usual and commonly understood meaning,'" and "dictionaries are 'useful guideposts' in ascertaining that meaning." They quote the Merriam-Webster definition of unlawful as "not lawful" or "illegal."
Assuming that New York courts read "unlawful means" broadly, Section 17-152 could supply the underlying "crime" that elevates falsification of business records to a Class E felony. That would essentially mean transforming two misdemeanors (falsifying business records plus conspiring to promote someone's election through "unlawful means") into a felony. Based on the same assumption, Trump also could face separate misdemeanor charges under Section 17-152 for the Daniels and McDougal payments.
New York's statute of limitations ordinarily requires that misdemeanors be prosecuted within two years and that Class E felonies be prosecuted within five years. But that law includes an exception for "any period following the commission of the offense during which…the defendant was continuously outside this state."
Trump lived largely in Washington, D.C., during his presidency, and in 2019 he switched his official state of residence to Florida. In determining whether the prosecution can proceed, a 1999 ruling by the New York Court of Appeals indicates, the time that Trump spent in D.C. and Florida should be subtracted from the time that has elapsed since the Trump Organization misrepresented Cohen's reimbursement.
Assuming that Bragg can get around the statute of limitations, the question remains: Why bring this case at all, let alone six years after the conduct underlying it?
There was nothing inherently criminal about paying off Daniels or McDougal. Those payments become criminal only by construing them as illegal campaign contributions. Although that is how federal prosecutors interpreted the law in Cohen's case, they conspicuously declined to charge Trump under the same theory. Manhattan prosecutors under Bragg's predecessor for years mulled the possibility of building a state case based on the same conduct and ultimately decided it would not fly.
Bragg's reconsideration of that conclusion reeks of desperation to punish a reviled political opponent, which is exactly how Trump and his supporters are portraying it. When you decide to make history by prosecuting a former president, especially when that former president is seeking that office again by running against an incumbent who is a member of your own party, you had better have a solid case involving serious crimes. Bragg, who is relying on debatable facts, untested legal theories, and allegations that are tawdry but far from earthshaking, does not seem to have such a case.
"We're going to indict a former President for, essentially, misdemeanor falsification of business records?" asks former Rep. Peter Meijer (R–Mich.), who voted to impeach Trump after the Capitol riot in 2021. "We're crossing the Rubicon for that? That seems like f—ing weak sauce."
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Yeah sullum puts up a weak front because anyone that reads his TDS tirades knows he is brimming with glee.
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"They're just trying to provoke a reaction... again"
Maybe.
But I'm sure they'll be happy to accept your continuing submission.
This is precisely why Bragg went ahead. He know the case is super weak, but he is hoping a contingent of Proud Boys or other MAGA fanatics come to town and cause trouble. That would give the Donkeys another 6 months of insurrection talk.
And if the Trump supporters don't show up, they'll hire their own Insurrection Actors.
Or the FBI will do it for them (at our expense)
Kinda kills the "they just want to provoke a reaction" assumption.
Anything is possible with a compliant propaganda industry posing as news outlets. And collaborative government agencies.
Don’t worry Sullum, we all know you still believe in the charges and the stolen nuclear codes and, well, every cockamamie crime attributed to Trump.
And we're supposed to believe leftist areas like this across the country totally wouldn't rig an election against the men.
That headline seems...pro Trump! Jacob, how much did you drink when the indictment was handed down??
Made me wonder as well. Usually Sullum's articles are so dripping with TDS you can see it on the outside, like a cold drink on a hot summer's day.
Which just shows how bad these charges are. Sullim hates Trump with a passion and still can't rally behind it.
Mr. Sullim, while we don't see eye to eye on most things, I appreciate the detailed reporting on this, including explicit legal references and descriptions rather than vague hand-waving.
Which just shows how bad these charges are
Which charges?
You don't know what they are yet.
Yes, "hush money" alone is weak. I give you that. What are the other 33 charges?
Email = "Did you send the hush money"
Response = "What do you mean?"
Email = "You know, the hush money"
Response = "No idea what you're talking about"
That would be 4 charges.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
The charges:
1. Hush money
2. Defeating Hillary in 2016
3 - 7 Having a bad toupee
8. Colluding with Russia
9 - 11 Not colluding with Russia
12 - 25 Orangemanbad
26. The outcome of the 1932 Cubs vs Yankees World Series
27. Being a rich person who did business in New York
28. Season 3 of the Apprentice
29 - 30 Running against Joe Biden
31. Being literally Hitler
32 - 34 Unstated crimes that Joe Biden committed that Trump is being blamed for.
You forgot "mean tweets."
The worst crime of all.
Doesn't that fall under "Orangemanbad"?
That toupée one could be charged as capital.
I will concede 12-25. The others are kinda shaky.
There were 32 individual payments to Cohen.
Well, he didn’t fuck kids. You know, like you do.
What evidence have you that “Sullum hates Trump with a passion”? It’s hard to believe you’ve been carefully tracking Sullum’s opinion of Trump when you don’t even know how to spell Sullum’s name.
Gee, Mike, where the fuck have you been the past 7 fucking years? The only way you could miss it is to be in a coma, be totally fucking stupid, or be a fucking shill. In your case, the latter two are both an option at the same fucking time. Idiot.
You can still see Sullum giving Bragg the absolute best faith possible under the circumstances with what he says in the article. Like this:
"Under New York law," Joshua Stanton and three other attorneys say in a recent Just Security essay, "'unlawful means' appears to be construed broadly—and is not limited to crimes….In a 100-year-old opinion, the state appellate court with authority over Manhattan ruled that 'unlawful means' as written in another statute does not necessitate 'the commission of a crime.' Instead, the court held that 'unlawful means' simply refers to conduct 'unauthorized by law.'"
He cites to a TDS lawyer who uses a 100-year-old opinion (probably because he couldn't find anything new) to justify how this MIGHT actually be feasible, and ignores the idea that he's trying to push a felony charge for an UNCHARGED federal crime. It's ridiculous to say it's unlawful when he can't be found guilty on the underlying crime and is never even facing jeopardy on that crime.
They love leftist thunk tanks here. Just Security is a leftist think tank out of NYU that houses many DNC aides and ex politicians. They were at the forefront of the 1st trump impeachment since many members are also part of The Atlantic Council and needed to protect Ukrainian money laundering.
Judicial decisions age out? This is a new legal theory.
Well, yes, judicial decisions can absolutely age out, because other decisions can overtake, overturn, or contradict them. That's why people aren't still citing to Plessy V Ferguson in Civil Rights cases.
Really old caselaw citations are often problematic, because there's likely been other cases which have dealt with those matters and are more likely to be the controlling opinions. Issues get re-evaluated over time as opinions change, and as the laws themselves are often changed. The problem with something a century old is that the law itself has probably gone through some evolution since then, so the opinion at the time may lack relevance to the law as it's currently written.
For the sake of clarity, it's better when it's from the highest controlling legal authority; since this is the state of New York, that would be the New York Court of Appeals (although it's often good to refer to SCOTUS as well for constitutional questions). And the more recent decision you can find that weighs in on the relevant question, the better, since it's going to be more in line with the court's current understanding of the issue. And if you're going back 100 years to find a case ruling in your favor, you're probably overlooking tons of more recent cases that aren't as favorably in your opinion.
Again, I think you're being dishonest in feigning ignorance on this. Surely you're aware of the fact that we have old decisions like Dred Scott and Plessy that are no longer considered binding precedents. The modern legal understanding is not compatible with those decisions.
“Again, I think you’re being dishonest in feigning ignorance on this.”
What? No!
You just described old decisions being overturned. And then you make an unfounded claim that it happens "often".
You have no specific knowledge that this particular opinion no longer applies.
I'm not being dishonest or feigning ignorance. You are the one that is making massive assumptions.
My instinct that a 100 year old case is a poor cite is based on reality. I looked up the actual citation, which Gitlow v. New York. That's actually a significant case when it comes to the 14th Amendment and incorporation, and it's really a first amendment case. Reading it, it's talking about the advocacy of inherently illegal action, meaning the decision in its entirety has probably been swallowed up by Brandenburg v. Ohio and Hess V. Indiana.
In fact, since it was relying on the "Clear and present danger" test established in Schenk, which was explicitly overturned by the Imminent Lawless Action test in Brandenburg, the Gitlow conviction would almost certainly be overturned if it were brought in front of SCOTUS today. Which is why I thought a really old citation would have problems, there's been more cases since then that have either clarified things, added things, or utterly obliterated things from previous rulings. If more recent jurisprudence had said what Joshua Stanton wanted it to say about "unlawful means," he would likely be citing that since it would be more clear and more relevant to the current state of New York law. He had to dig backwards for a reference speaking to an entirely different issue.
Gitlow was specifically advocating the overthrow of the government in favor of instituting socialism. The assumption was that this was necessarily advocating violence, so they could prosecute him despite the fact that the government had not been overthrown and nobody had violented acted upon his advocacy. That simply wouldn't fly today-we can legally say that "someone needs to feed that judge through a woodchipper feet first," without it being either an actual threat nor a specific and imminent incitement.
It's a very distinct fact-pattern anyway. Say you do meet the burden for Brandenburg and incite a riot, and the rioters are all masked so their identities cannot be discerned, so there's nobody convicted of an underlying crime. That doesn't mean that no houses were actually burned down just because there's no convictions, the underlying unlawful action really did happen, as a result of your incitement. That's a valid fact pattern for a conviction, even though our current free speech standards make it a difficult burden to reach.
That's entirely different to a case where we can't even say a crime ever happened. That is, you can't say it's unlawful when it's possible, or probably, the underlying act was entirely legal. And given that he was never even charged, much less convicted, on a federal campaign finance violation, it's far from clear the underlying charge is illegal. He's never been charged with violation of any New York finance law, either, and the statute of limitations for charging that has expired. It's never going to be clear if what he did was an actual violation of any New York campaign law. But they're trying to force a conviction on the underlying charge, which they explicitly can't do because of the statute of limitations, by wrapping it up with the top charge as part of a criminal conspiracy. A criminal conspiracy requires a conspiracy to do something that's actually illegal.
I'm sorry to disappoint you but this whole prosecution is utter nonsense.
Why would I be disappointed? I have been clear and consistent in saying I think it is a weak case and shouldn’t be pursued.
And glad I spurred you to do some research and come up with more solid reasoning than “oh, that’s an old case”.
Taking a victory lap for being uninformed and getting totally destroyed by a massively well thought out response to your inane dishonesty has got to be one of the most embarrassing things I have seen in a long time.
A Dred Scott fan, I see.
>>how much did you drink
so much he attempted Volokh
This reinforces my suspicion that this political stunt is more of distraction than anything else, because otherwise the party wouldn't let such a headline see the light of day. Just look at what Reason isn't talking about today.
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1641907970547097603?t=yw8aUNJ1iIFmoNnnHssqsA&s=19
Douglass Mackey was just found guilty of a federal crime he was charged with by the DOJ for tweeting the meme on the left during the 2016 election.
The lady on the right has never been arrested for her tweet that also came during the 2016 election.
Selective prosecution is what you do in a dictatorship.
Over/under on whether Reason covers this. Everyone on the government side of this needs to hang. How much time did Hillary get for her phony Trump dossier that cost the taxpayers millions to investigate?
“Why doesn’t Pravda actually tell the truth?”
https://twitter.com/EDNYnews/status/1641902981099528192?t=LC3noHJ9vAJVdMYLlnmseQ&s=19
“Today’s verdict proves that the defendant’s fraudulent actions crossed a line into criminality and flatly rejects his cynical attempt to use the constitutional right of free speech as a shield for his scheme to subvert the ballot box and suppress the vote.” - U.S. Attorney Peace
The Gwyneth Paltrow ski trial verdict?
Stop with the obfuscation and lies. Just stop.
The steaming pile of lefty shit would have to stop posting.
Goop prevailed.
Reason's leading economics expert, also apparently a legal expert, says there's an open-and-shut case Trump should go to prison for INSURRECTION.
Kind of weird they're trying this approach instead.
https://twitter.com/Oilfield_Rando/status/1641862016515096576?t=G-RXvTFZQwfkeu5hyhHTIg&s=19
“Anti-trans horror”
Again, they’re not pausing at all to examine their rhetoric.
They want more Nashvilles.
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The far right nut jobs are so happy they finally have ONE example of a potentially trans person being violent.
Meanwhile the wife beating, child molesting trash with red hats continue to project on others,
There is more than one.
There are at least 5.
Colorado Springs shooter: Anderson Lee Aldrich, “non-binary”. 5 dead. Nov. 22, 2022.
Denver shooter: Austin Lyle, “transgender”. 2 school admininstrators wounded. March 22, 2023
Aberdeen shooter: Snochia Moseley, “transgender”. 3 dead, 3 wounded. Nov. 16, 2022.
Nashville shooter: Audrey Hale, “transgender”. 6 dead. March 27, 2023.
@ThanksForTheFish
Almost all these shooting are team D. Even the El Paso Walmart shooter who people claim is 'far right' list radical left wing envirnomental reasons as motivation in his manifesto.
Derp da derp da tiddly terp.
And that's a quote!
The left has proven they love dead kids. Either in the womb or later. And the survivors are fair game for them to rape (Shrike is an example of this) or drugged and mutilated.
I honestly cannot understand why we allow the modern democrat party to exist. They should be eliminated as an obvious existential threat.
https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1641816906842685440?t=jivknJ5Z71lYdINVuZdgDA&s=19
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That's a surprisingly large number if the case is based entirely on the $130,000 that Trump lawyer Michael Cohen paid porn star Stormy Daniels in 2016 to keep her from talking about her alleged 2006 affair with Trump.
Yes, "if".
But it is more likely about tax/business fraud as the Con Man's personal accountant has turned on him.
CNN
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Allen Weisselberg, the former chief financial officer of the Trump Organization currently incarcerated at Rikers Island, recently switched lawyers amid ongoing investigations into former President Donald Trump and his business.
Lock that motherfucker up.
Turn yourself in for your crimes against children.
Thanks for admitting you were lying when you said only the most serious crimes like INSURRECTION justify imprisoning political opponents; anything else is strongman authoritarian stuff.
The reality is you're still traumatized he handed your party the most humiliating defeat ever in 2016. You'd happily lock him up for illegally downloading a Metallica song from Napster in 1999.
We don't yet know what the charges are.
How is it possible that everyone around the Con Man is a criminal (eleven convictions now) but Donnie is not?
Granted he is presumed innocent. Now let due process work.
20 minutes ago: "Lock that motherfucker up."
Now: "Granted he is presumed innocent. Now let due process work."
Impressive evolution. 🙂
20 minutes ago: “Lock that motherfucker up.”
I would be delighted if that happened. I suspect you will be correct in the end though - Fatass Donnie is truly above the law.
Not what I said.
I pointed out that #TheResistance has predicted Trump's imminent downfall so many times - Trump is Finished declared Keith Olbermann in November 2017 - that their analysis cannot be taken seriously.
It should be embarrassing for professional pundits that I, a random Internet commenter with no legal training, predicted how Trump's Presidency would end better than they did. (I expected it would end when he had to run against a Democrat not named Hillary Clinton.)
And who has complimented you more on your Trump instinct more than I have?
Who needs Olbermann?
turd wonders:
"Who needs Olbermann?"
Well, turd does. turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar. If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
And if turd didn't have cites like Olbermann, turd would have no cites at all.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
David Frum is certain the walls are closing in this time and he has an immaculate track record.
I want to know if he has a record of visiting Epstein island.
are you suggesting neocons have a propensity for those sorts of things?
"Lock that motherfucker up."
- Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2 31 mins ago
"We don’t yet know what the charges are."
- Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2 11 mins ago
Progressive Leftist justice in a nutshell.
I’m biased!
And we will have some champaign ready for Tuesday.
Illinois?
In that case, is he hopeful Johnson will win? I've got news for Turd, Johnson is not interested in him.
BTW, turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
You also rape children and traffic in child pornography.
Lock that motherfucker up!
Shows you the speed of Act Blue talking points to adoption.
"Granted he is presumed innocent. Now let due process work."
Well at least you know more about American law than Nancy Pelosi.
If you are Orange, you must prove your innocence.
And even if you prove your innocence, you are still guilty.
They got him dead to rights on being Donald Trump!
You’re a criminal. If it were up to me, you would have been lawfully executed many years ago for your multitude of crimes.
Worse. It was a Megadeth song!
Unnamed sources close to the situation confirmed it was, in fact, the entire Judas Priest library.
I hear there was an Ozzy record on the turntable.
Going to be a bit hard for the CFO to claim ignorance of the law and blame the CEO, who is not supposed to know this, for not knowing.
Just like it is silly to blame Trump for knowledge he did not have in regards to the law when Cohen was violating the law. Cohen was the guy who was paid to advise Trump on what the law is.
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Tax/business fraud that the IRS couldn’t seem to find. Or Mueller. Or anyone in the media that’s been digging through his trash for 40+ years.
Yep, but this random retarded Soros lapdog Marxist has got the goods. Totally believable.
Yes because every millionaire and Billionaire does not rely on tax lawyers and accountants, well paid ones, to get everything correct. Do you think Trump sits down at his laptop and fires up TurboTax every April?
Straight out of the playbook
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1641780980594753536?t=vmUmqbsriypp4VboOd9zyA&s=19
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Now whatever happens tomorrow isn't officially associated with any group
How bad have the people at reason have to feel, knowing the goddamn Daily Mail is better at journalism than they are?
https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1641798763390943232?t=SnUV7-Ox9-znK0DCbDAeFg&s=19
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" Trump, who reimbursed Cohen for the hush payment to Daniels, allegedly broke that law when his business misrepresented the reimbursement as payment for legal services under a nonexistent retainer agreement.
Is an NDA a legal document? Yes or no.
Bragg's reconsideration of that conclusion reeks of desperation to punish a reviled political opponent, which is exactly how Trump and his supporters are portraying it.
Hey reason can admit it despite the conservatives pounce addendum. Many left legal theoriears and most libertarians also portray it this way. Bragg campaigned on getting trump.
Absent this article is not even mentioning going after a man to find a crime is political.
It reeks of Dictatorship with Democracy Theater.
This is the kind of thing Americans used to sneer at when Putin did it.
Our Deep State hated Putin because they were jealous.
It will only get worse so long as the democrat party is allowed to exist.
Sort of. Whatever one’s opinion of him, it’s clear he is little bit more clever than that. He had clashed with Trump Inc in civil suits and was aware the Cohen prosecution on this issue. IMO, savvy politics to get elected but may backfire. Time will tell.
“In a November 2020 interview with CBS News, Alvin Bragg, then a Democratic candidate for Manhattan district attorney, said that among the "staggering" number of cases "swirling" around then-President Donald Trump, a matter involving Trump's former "fixer," Michael Cohen, stood out.”
Lawyers like to get reimbursed for costs. Pretty standard.
An agreement to be reimbursed for costs can be shown by behavior.
Cohen was Trump's lawyer for 12 years. See Wikipedia. Of course he's been reimbursed for costs. Probably came with the monthly bill.
https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1641869191849312257?t=T5BF3tQKzvN2tvf0pVkniA&s=19
In the total state your national weather service praises the regime's most sacred class no matter how many children were recently murdered
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I am a survivor of Mao's Cultural Revolution. Here are some of his revolution features and tactics. You can judge yourself if these look similar with today's American woke cultural revolution.
1. Mao started Cultural Revolution to purge his political enemies and become a "Supreme Leader" to control entire China.
2. His campaign slogan: Destroy the “Four Olds”
-- Traditional Ideas, Culture, Habits, and Customs
3. Arbitrary Division of society by using “Critical Class Theory" and identity politics by dividing people into:
Oppressors – The Five “Black Classes”
Oppressed – The Five “Red Classes”
4. Quasi-religious indoctrination of urban youth “Red Guards”, shut down schools for years for them to do class struggles full time, promote division, hatred, envy and equity.
5. Toppling down statues, putting big posters and spray paintings on the walls, riots, looting, violence, law enforcement told to stand-down.
6. Change school or street names, change words & definitions, censor words, burn relics, temples and churches, demonize all the religions as cults, promote communism as the sole ideology, Mao as a God-like leader.
7. Struggle sessions, public shaming and denouncing, self-criticizing, apologizing, thought reform re-education camps for the "Black Classes".
8. Guilty at birth, by relationship, by association, past words/deeds, lose jobs if you don't comply, silence is violence.
9. Family and neighbors turn on each other, children were told parents are not dearer than Mao, urge teens to change last names to cut ties with their Black Class families to show loyalty to the “revolution”.
10. Redefine social norms, promote unisex gender-less society, girls dress like boys & soldiers, create confusion & social chaos, banned dating in schools.
11. Press & media were controlled by CCP & used for propaganda daily, cancel individual merits, silence dissident voices from all professions, ban books, songs, music, art and comedies that are not PC.
12. Using mob tactics of fear, intimidation, torture and violence, no rule of law, 20M died, many committed suicide including intellectuals and party officials who supported the regime.
Hope you understand why immigrants like me, and many others are very concerned today about America. We want to give our warnings until we stop the destruction of the country we love.
When the cult leader is exposed the flock panics.
...but enough about the trans...
Who is their cult leader?
Sleepy Joe Biden. Have you been living under a rock?
Joe is a trans cult leader? I think he’s been a boy all his life.
Are you this obtuse? No one said he’s a fucking tranny you stupid piece of shit. He’s just leading their charge and weaponizing them as bullyvictims. But I think you know that.
Your kind have to fight that way, as you are all weaklings. Weak of spirit, intellect, body, and will. That’s why whenever kind goes on the attack, it’s only in large numbers, such as when your fellow travelers tried to murder Kyle Rittenhouse (and American hero), or that tranny democrat murdered those defenseless, unarmed children earlier this week.
Keep in mind, turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Time to break out the Kool-Ade and cyanide?
That’s wrong Hank, you shouldn’t try to murder people, even shrike.
Honest question. If the indictment is sealed, why do we know about 34 charges or whatever?
Shouldn't these "sources" with "knowledge of the indictment" be prosecuted? Isn't it illegal to reveal details of a sealed indictment? I honestly don't know, but if it isn't then being sealed doesn't mean much, so I sort of assume it is.
Like a certain SCOTUS case? Trump being convicted is a higher probability than that!
Points of law don’t matter. The jury will be all Democrats who will lie under oath that they don’t have long TDS.
Trumps attorneys aren’t going to participate in voir dire? Why not?
Nancy: "fuck, impeaching T eleventy times didn't work."
Liz: "fuck, the insurrection mumbo jumbo didn't fly."
Alvin: "hold my motherfucking beer."
Did Allen Weisselberg just cut a deal against Donald Trump in Manhattan?
Bill Palmer | 9:53 pm EDT March 29, 2023
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Former Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg is no longer being represented by Donald Trump’s attorneys, per NBC News. This points to the possibility that Weisselberg has cut a deal with the Manhattan DA and is cooperating against Trump. Which would explain everything we’re seeing in Manhattan right now.
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Weisselberg is currently sitting behind bars. It’s a short prison sentence but he is an elderly man. And it’s possible the DA threatened to bring broader charges against him, with additional prison time, to motivate him to flip. The New York Times did report last month that the DA was looking at the possibility of additional charges against Weisselberg.
https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/did-allen-weisselberg-just-cut-a-deal-against-donald-trump-in-manhattan/49516/
Wow, analysis from, let's see here, "Palmerreport.com". Quite a nice source there.
But don't worry...this precedent will never bite those you support.
Can you share with everyone the list of admissible political news sites?
1) Not palmerreport.com
There ya go.
I see. You just couldn’t engage what was said, so you decided to attack the source.
Did I mention that, turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies? It’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1641840814824226831?t=c7o6p7HAN8tgskt26rsWtw&s=19
This year’s Transgender Day of Visibility comes in the midst of a historic wave of attacks on transgender kids.
Nearly 600 anti-LGBTQ bills have been filed so far this year in statehouses across the country – and more than half target young people.
As @POTUS has said, transgender youth are the bravest people we know – and should have the freedom to live their lives free from political attacks.
To transgender folks across the country: this Administration has your back.
Man, I cannot believe a Christian went to a trans school and murdered 3 trans kids and 3 trans adults in cold blood.
Are you implying Audrey Hale murdered six people because she was trans?
I will flatly state that she murdered 9 year olds because they were Christian.
Did you just misgender and dead name him?
Murdered because they were Christian.
Has her manifesto been released? Or do you “just know” that?
Hale advocated progressive ideology, which is anti-Christian.
Hale did? Or you assume Hale did?
The bio info I’ve read about Hale so far has talked about being childish, a little creepy, having transgender feelings, loving sports, liking videos games, owning a bunch of guns. Nothing about going around espousing progressive ideas.
Trump was fading, This desperation-born stunt likely gave him the candidacy. And November 2024 will not be decided by discredited media or insipid chalk-board warriors.
Edit? Why?
Honestly, that’s kind of my takeaway as well.
I think the Democrats are actually afraid of Desantis, and they know that by further persecuting Trump they can rally Republicans behind Trump. It also fires up the more deranged 'get Trump at all costs' base.
The only bit that really confuses me is how they think Biden is going to fare against Trump. There is no good choice in that scrum, which makes me wonder if they’re going to back someone other than Biden that they think has a better chance against Trump.
Makes me wonder who. Perhaps Harris? Perhaps another Clinton?
I can’t believe that they are really all that afraid of Trump otherwise winning the nomination. I’m sure their polling says he wouldn’t have a great chance without them bolstering his numbers.
Absolutely agree.
If the democrats weren’t so stupid and arrogant they would be much more afraid of pulling the 2929 election bullshit again. If they do, an uprising becomes a necessity.
The article makes it clear in the first few sentences that the incitement is still sealed. The rest is informed speculation (and I really have no way to know if it is really informed or if it is just plausible wool spinning). The article could be spot on or way off but it sure seems like taking a deep breath and relaxing is in order until there are more actual facts to go on.
Facts ? Who needs facts?
While I would normally agree, the state of New York attempting to arrest the former president who is also a current presidential candidate, is not a small story that we can put on the backburner
Compare and contrast the FBI strongarming media outlets to kill the story about Biden's corruption weeks before the 2020 POTUS election.
"it is unclear whether paying blackmail to a mistress is 'for the purpose of influencing an election,' and so must be paid with campaign funds, or a 'personal use,' and so prohibited from being paid with campaign funds."
This is a joke.
In a sane world it would be. It underscores what a constitutional abomination campaign finance law is, doesn't it?
And Sullum's raging case of TDS. He's a fucking basket-case.
How could you possibly know that it is a shaky case? You haven't seen the evidence. if you mean it's not a major crime like treason or stealing documents from the U.S. government you would be right, but according to a grand jury, Trump should stand trial for a 30 count indictment crime.
I see we've received a new batch of fifty centers.
Act Blue has plenty of money, that they launder through other people. See O’Keefe latest expose.
Chemjeff lit the MoonBat Signal.
How could you possibly know that it is a shaky case?
Because we're paying attention. We know what the facts are, and the law itself isn't hidden or anything. They make the laws public so people can know. They're not inventing new laws to charge him with. So we can say we know the charges are shaky because the underlying facts are in the open, and the law itself is (supposedly) clear.
Well... Bragg is inventing new legal constructions to get him.
Which is why it’s shaky. The law isn’t meant to be read this way and he’s stretching like crazy to try to bring to together.
Not to mention the fact that Bragg has a duty to recuse himself from prosecuting Trump since he ran on a campaign promise to find something to get him with.
-jcr
I mean, Loretta Lynch didn't recuse herself over meeting with Bill Clinton while investigating his wife. It seems like even obvious conflicts of interest aren't enough to recuse oneself these days.
Because people we like are always innocent and people we dislike are always guilty. Especially if part of a group with whom we empathize (or don’t). Sometimes we might change our minds after a verdict, but not generally.
I’ll make this simple enough even for you. Between the IRS, a weaponized DoJ and FBI, a congressional show trial, etc., nothing happened. Now this discredited Soros backed hack suddenly has the goods? Bullshit.
Now he a good little Marxist tool, and fuck off.
I keep hearing that there's some kind of crime, but no one can tell me who the victim is.
There are plenty of victimless crimes in this country. People still get prosecuted. Possession of drugs, prostitution, ect.
Aren't libertarians strongly against them and in favor of pointing out that there are no victims? As opposed to being vindictive bastards who want more people punished by victimless crimes just to even the score?
Depends how orange the perp is.
Did Moderation4ever say otherwise?
Judging by his past posts, he seems okay with them, particularly if Trump is the one getting charged.
TBF, M4E isn’t a libertarian…
You are correct that I am not a libertarian, but that does not mean I don't appreciate libertarian views. A Thinking Mind is correct that libertarians should be against laws that criminalize behavior that has no real victim. My comment was meant for those that only discovered victimless crimes now that Trump has been indicted.
The drug trade overall has a huge number of “victims”. While one can’t easily tie each possession to one doesn’t mean the overall effect of all the users isn’t without harm. Users are the ultimate root cause.
There are victims related to drug use, but some of those are created by the prohibition. Other as a direct consequence of the user. Where there is a victim there should be prosecution, where there is no identifiable victim or the user is the victim, there should be no prosecution.
Yet you’re a democrat shill.
Mod wouldn’t know. He’s a democrat thrall.
Heh heh.... something downright karmic about one of God's Own Prohibitionists in Slammerino over one of the victimless crimes for which it's OK to rob, jail and murder the little people.
Insular tonal tornadoes of the Hemingway varity, burst with Hapsburgian pride at the sound of a San Francisco dinner bell. Rough and ready libertarianism won't deny purple AmeriKKKadeplorables purity within the melodies of God Save The King!
I wish people like Hank would make up their minds: is he a lifelong Democrat who hoodwinked those stupid yokel Republicans or is he the embodiment of all the most horrible parts of the GOP (which is all of it in their fever dreams)?
I don’t think it’s even that complicated. He’s just a crackpot wack job, with advancing senility.
The very essence of LT! Good job!
Well played.
People still get prosecuted. Possession of drugs, prostitution, ect.
Hunter Biden's story would say otherwise.
Non-special people still get prosecuted seems more apt.
He’s the son of an important Party member, and a democrat henchman.
Fake news from Peter Baker (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/30/us/politics/trump-indictment-democracy.html):
"There is consternation that the barrier-shattering indictment would involve something as unseemly as paying hush money to cover up a sexual romp. Given that the defendant has been involved in far more earth-shattering events like trying to overturn an election and inspiring an attack on the Capitol to prevent the transfer of power, the allegations by Manhattan prosecutors seem less than epochal.
But if the issue is accountability, then the case could redraw the lines and make it less daunting for prosecutors in Georgia and Washington to follow suit by charging more serious crimes if they have the evidence, since they will not have to bear the burden of justifying action never taken before. Leave it to the only president ever impeached in Congress twice to face so many prosecutions that lawyers need a scorecard just to keep track."
"Given that the defendant has been involved in far more earth-shattering events like trying to overturn an election and inspiring an attack on the Capitol to prevent the transfer of power"
Given that those assertions are propagandistic horseshit, I think we can safely conclude the rest of your article is too.
You are correct regarding "fake news"; other than that it is obvious that you are a TDS-addled pile of shit and can be ignored.
“nonexistent retainer agreement” — Bragg may be hasty on this issue. A written retainer agreement is not always necessary. When a client and atty have an established business practice together, a separate retainer agreement in not required. It defaults to the custom and practice between the client and attorney. I do NOT know New York on this subject, but I find it hard to believe that in a situation like Trump and Cohen, there has to be a separate written atty-client retainer for each time Cohen does something.
I once was vacationing in another state when I saw that businesses where operating under a client’s name. I did not need a separate agreement to start doing legal work. The client decided that it was no big deal and it did not go beyond that. My point is that when there is a relationship, there often is not a new retainer agreement
The Shaky New York Case Against Trump Reeks of Desperation But We TDS Suffers at Reason.com Still Support It!
GET TRUMP!
Where did Sullum express support?
I actually agree with you here, this article (and most if not all of the others too) have actually been rather refreshing in their tales.
Democrats want to run against Trump and this garbage indictment will help. Trump is the only possible hope for a Harris victory in 24. He’ll lose to anyone the Democrats run.
You're assuming that Biden drops out or Harris challenges him in the primary?
"Democrats want to run against Trump and this garbage indictment will help. Trump is the only possible hope for a Harris victory in 24. He’ll lose to anyone the Democrats run."
Tell us about how Trump could never beat the hag! The polls told us so, right?
The Trump DOJ went after Michael Kohen hard for this case, but backed off on Trump merely listing him as an unnamed co-conspirator. So why didn't Trump's campaign lawyers go to their own DOJ get a plea deal done, pay a fine and clear the charge? There are plenty of campaign violations, most end with a deal, and a fine. Why leave this charge out there for someone to grab onto later? I am guessing ego had something to do with this and that can cost you in the end.
My guess is that they didn't consider it to be a campaign expenditure, and thus it couldn't be a a campaign violation in the first place.
But they knew Michael Cohen went to jail and that Trump was the unnamed co-conspirator. Why take chances, why not clear it up. It like not paying a parking ticket and finding out it has been doubling and now you owe $1000.
Because there is no crime there.
So, what did Michael Cohen go to jail for doing?
Soinnocent people are never convicted for acts which are not really crimes?
My point is that the Trump administration DOJ saw this as a crime and punished Michael Cohen. To say that is not a crime now seems hypocritical. My other point is this was an obstacle that a good campaign would have addressed, even before the 2020 election. Cut a deal, pay a fine, and clear this off the record.
Trump is understandably unhappy with those racist thugs who ‘INDICATED’ him.
The "racist thugs" that is the Democrats who make CRT part of their platform. This prosecution is entirely political.
Just like the prosecution of Rick Perry was political.
Alan Dershowitz mentioned in his youtube podcast that the statue of limitation is still in play, because (if I'm understanding his position correctly) Trump was an official resident of NY and had business there, and he merely travelled in out and of the state for business matters and presidential duties. In his view being out of state "continuously" is different from being out of state "continually". Trump falls in the latter category, a New Yorker who moved in and out of the state frequently, not someone who left for long term.
He also seems to suggest that exceptions to the statue of limitation is meant for those who are trying to flee the jurisdiction. Everyone knew where Trump was, so the NY DA has ample opportunity to charge him.
As evidenced by the fact that he charged Trump while Trump is in Florida, where he's since moved. He's not difficult to find.
It is. It is established that the out of state clause is for when the state officials do not know the whereabouts. They did. They even indicted him while he was out of state.
Democrats don't care about norms.
Democrats are pussies compared to the authoritarian party that has busily demolished norms for the last six years.
Oh, and what norms were demolished by the Republicans?
Censoring political speech, spying on political opponents, threatening journalists with the IRS, calling PTA parents terrorists, imprisoning protesters without charges?
Oops, that was all Democrats too.
LeftistGPT really is indistinguishable from real life retards.
And dems are pussies compared to TDS-addled shits, TDS-addled shit.
I agree, it’s time to stop calling them Democrats and calling them what they really are: Partito Nazionale Fascista.
That would ALSO be the Democrats.
Indeed
A matter of degree. The “state” is the authoritarian. Each party has some level of vision of good and bad state power. Depending on which combination you prefer it can be a crap shoot.
Dear Prospective Juror: Please be aware of the fact that if you do not find Trump guilty, your name and address will be made public and we will make your life a living hell." - The DNC.
Dear Prospective Juror: Please be aware of the fact that if you do find Trump guilty, your name and address will be made public and we will make your life a living hell.” – MAGA Hotheads
Just ask Jussie Smollett what they're capable of!
Do MAGA people have a long and storied history of doxxing people?
That is actually a valid fear and something very much of the progressive side of late. Chilling, really.
The alarming thing is Jake Sullum OUGHT to be old enough to at least clearly observe the rough-and-tumble backstabbing that goes into grabbing the world's largest looter kleptocracy. It's 31 years since hayseed Ross Perot tried to take over asset-forfeiture prohibitionism and was SHOCKED the other bigots were "out to destroy him" with cheap-shot personal attacks. That else does either half of the gang have? The whole point of the LP is to let voters declare against the bastards and their policies! (http://bit.ly/3R67hh6)
Oh, this looks like fun, let me try:
He had an old libertarian pickup truck and a big, battered mower. What Trump really wanted was a turkey sandwich, but all she had was ham, so her editor's feedback was very frustrating to her. She wanted to be a computer when she was in high school, but then she realized let's all just take a moment to breathe, please!
I see to whom you are 'replying' (or satirizing) and am gonna guess your post makes more sense than 'its'.
What makes you think he doesn’t?
"...There was nothing inherently criminal about paying off Daniels or McDougal. Those payments become criminal only by construing them as illegal campaign contributions..."
Ya gotta have tiny hands to grasp straws that thin.
Didn't John Edwards do the same thing? Teddy Kennedy? hell JFK?
Yes, and not a one did more than pay a fine.
https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1641946752600231937?t=hZC3cdpX5xjL8QXOIjaCharlie.
Always remember they honored a child murderer
Never forget
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A wise man once said, "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime." Can any of us honestly say we have never broken any law, ever? So if no one is above the law, we should all be in prison.
It was not a wise man. It was a very evil man. Lavrentiy Beria, the most ruthless and longest-serving secret police chief in Joseph Stalin's reign of terror in Russia.
Beria got what he had coming, at least.
-jcr
I was about to say, sounds like a vision of Soviet Russia! So knowing Beria said it makes sense. Welcome to socialist workers paradise where all of you are inmates…
oh this is going to be good. Texas, Florida and other free states DAs are now combing through all sorts of possiblities...Clinton, Obama, Schumer, Schiff, and Corn Pop I'm sure did this or that which a grand jury will indict. National Divorce is preceding nicely thanks to the bolshie dems.
it can not happen soon enough,.
Who is being defrauded by that?
The State.
TDS-addled shits!
https://twitter.com/Oilfield_Rando/status/1641964038971170821?t=MVFm8RG9UvDrQPbZgFZ3pQ&s=19
The left is turning their transdregs loose on capitols right after they killed a bunch of Christians is an unequivocal message
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Adults back in charge. America can finally be respected again, when the party in power is arresting leading members of the opposition party.
Also: Reason staff is celebrating!
And the witch-hunt continues..........
"Burn the witch! Burn the witch! He started a de-regulation committee!", chant the [Na]tional So[zi]alist (Nazi) Democrats.
Never under-estimate the pure LOVE the left has for Gov-Gun control on EVERYONE.
Well proven by the last "weaponization of the governments" latest hearing. They're no longer pretending stupid but are down right insisting it's governments job to censor and trying to indict any politician who insists the Constitution be upheld.
Heck one of their "witnesses" out-right proclaimed the Constitution insists the government operates the media. How dumb can they get?
"The Shaky New York Case Against Trump Reeks of Desperation To Punish a Reviled Political Opponent"
Which is, exactly, what it is.
You can admit it, Sullum, painful as it is to a TDS-addled shit like you.
This is the quote that jumped out at me:
' Instead, the court held that 'unlawful means' simply refers to conduct 'unauthorized by law.'
We are now past the Rubicon. It used to be that which is not prohibited is permitted. It has quickly gone to that which is not permitted is prohibited.
Jurors evidently favored that interpretation, because they acquitted Edwards of one charge while deadlocking on five others.
Edwards jury selected in state that elected him to the Senate. Trump jury will be selected in city that largely despises anyone to the right of Stalin.
It’s amusing when Trump rants about the corruption of blue cities to his MAGA faithful —- those are the only places he has ever lived.
Not germaine to my comment.
Yes, it was a tangent.
I may despise Trump, but this entire fiasco spell of partisan politics. This will set the precedent that will result in a tit for tat unless this is slammed down hard and fast by the courts and Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg is personally excoriated severely for wasting the courts time and the taxpayers money.
I hate that the Trump deranged crowd are forcing me to defend Trump. If you were going to indict Trump it should be for War Crimes along with all the other presidents during my lifetime.
This is very petty and clearly partisan attack on perceived opposition where they chose a majority Democrat region. They are stretching beyond reasonable application of the law and turning to a more authoritarian approach and the ends justify the ends.
The Democrat party lost me when they lost their way, their values and their morals. It's not that the Republicans are much better, but currently they are less authoritarian as a whole than the Democrats.
Best situation is that both the Democrat and Republican parties fall apart, split up and we get numerous issue focused parties instead of the hot mess that the Democrat and Republican parties have become.
The Democrats are attempting to destroy the country 70% of the time and the Republicans are only attempting to destroy the country 30% of the time. Fools like the Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg seem intent on increasing the percentage on destruction.
"...If you were going to indict Trump it should be for War Crimes..."
Yeah, the only POTUS who did not start a war in a long time. Maybe you should look into the reason(s) for your TDS; stupidity being a strong candidate.
The Democrats are inveterate liars, whereas the Republicans are merely invertebrate liars.
"We urge you to [...] let the criminal justice process proceed without unlawful political interference"
This from Bragg, the leader of the witch hunt using the law to punish politicians he doesn't like.
This is going to get better ratings than Celebrity Apprentice. Big, Beautiful, Ratings!
It’s no longer hypothetical: Trump will become the first former president charged with a crime, a Manhattan prosecutor has confirmed; he’s expected to surrender Tuesday for an arraignment.
https://worldabcnews.com/with-trump-arrest-imminent-u-s-enters-uncharted-territory/
Trump is guilty and must prove his innocent says botox and silicon pumped up Pelosi.
Trump is leaving the public stage..but the overreation the DC Bolshevik Elites had with their media friends has started something which will go on and on like the wars in Germany...does one think some young bright DA in Kansas or Texas or Florida isn't finding all sorts of legal shanigans Obama, Biden, Clinton, Schumer, Durbin and the rest were involved in? Grab some popcorn kids..this is going to get very interesting.
I hope so.
It can not happen soon enough.
Political prosectionsbased on bullshit legal arguments have happened before.
Now let me quote someone going by the online handle "Maraxus"
https://ethicsalarms.com/2018/12/13/enlighten-impress-and-depress-your-friends-explain-why-the-presidents-alleged-election-law-violation-was-not-one-much-less-a-justification-for-impeachment/#comment-591244
(emphasis added)
We have people like “Maraxus” extolling criminal prosecution as an acceptable political tactic.
What must be done is to get even. and that means every Republican prosecutor must set aside the Constitution, law, and ethics to prosecute Democrats- their leaders, their donors, and their spokesholes. Nothing is more important than taking democrats to court, regardless of how outlandish or nonsensical the legal arguments are.
You know, we could always wait for the charges to be unsealed before commenting. As it stands, several levels of government including Braggs predecessor and the FEC refused to pursue the charges. It looks pretty strange and considering Bragg ran for office promising to find something on Trump much like that foolish and incompetent State AG I'm inclined to throw the flag on the whole mess
Just think about what could happen if all those charges are tossed out. Does anyone believe the Dems are going to just throw up their hands and walk away?
Nope. There will be rioting in the streets of every major city. The dems will cut lose their ANTIFA pets and BLM will go bonkers.
It isn't the Trump supporters who they have to fear, it will be the reaction of the leftists and we all know what they are capable of.
I doubt that a timed-out state statute can be revivified by a federal law that doesn't even mention it, or that the revivification power can be created solely by Judiciary The very idea seems to be a violation of both Federalism and the Separation of Powers.
Oh. *THIS* is the case built on shakey legal ground. *This* is the case that is a political prosecution.
Not any of the others.
Wallz r CLOZIN' in Sullum, the walls are closing in.
The Jaws Are Closing
The jaws of the vice of Fascism are closing on this fragmenting, declining nation on fire. One consequence already is tyrannical oppression. A second is loss of national prestige and international respect. A third is loss of the dollar as the reserve currency. How could such ruin happen?
As Fascism began its slow but steady envelopment even long before Biden, Americans on The Right besieged the government to stop the perpetrators. The government was the perpetrator!
Donald Trump pronounced on television the other night, “This nation is dead!”
Trump should know. He is leaving the safety of Florida in order to subject himself to the terrorism of New York. Arrest? Handcuffs? Jail? Trial by a Kangaroo Court? The rest of his life spent in prison? The judge is a known enemy of Trump. Already, word is that he will place a gag-order on Mr. Trump in violation of the First Amendment.
Can the ruin of which Trump's travails are a symbol be resurrected? How? Rebellion? Would Jefferson agree?
“I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing; and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.” -Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)
Jefferson might agree, but rebellion is insufficient. Win — then, what? Restore that which allowed the evildoers to inflict their damage? There is a better way.
Now hear this! The Left has wanted mayhem. If you resist the mayhem, your doing so will give The Left cause to lower the final boom. If you fail to resist the mayhem, your failure to do so will allow The Left to lower the final boom. An avoidance:avoidance conflict, the worst kind. Either way, you lose and will not be able to do that which needs to be done unless . . . .
https://www.nationonfire.com/the-jaws-are-closing/ .
No politician in history has been convicted of such an absurd charge. The DA is the only one who belongs in prison.
It's what I've been saying al along...this is not about what ever improprieties Trump may or may not have committed, it's about REVENGE! It's about punishing Trump for stealing the presidency from poor Hillary. After all, she was entitled to it. It was hers and Trump stole it. She was owed the presidency and trump ruined it.
So now Trump and any and everybody who was involved will be persecuted.
It won't be just the Donald and Bannon, they are going to go after anyone who donated money to his campaign and they won't stop there.
You can bet on it. The democrats have gone stark raving bonkers.
Bragg swore he was going to put Trump and his entire family behind bars.
I don't like the orange fool. But this is stupid. It doesn't make me like Trump, but it does make me distrust almost every democrat. I am still hoping that Trump decides to back out of the race or maybe he loses. But this is one Trump hater that never voted for him that will proudly vote for him against almost any democrat that he runs against. Because what I hate more than Trump is authoritarians and the left in the US is hardcore authoritarian. Why else would democrat folks cheer for this or think that Gavin Newsom is anything but Pol Pot with hair product.
"...Because what I hate more than Trump is authoritarians and the left in the US is hardcore authoritarian..."
Wow! This TDS addled shit is willing to hate an attempted coup more than mean tweets!
We don't know exactly what is in the indictment, but media reports say that he deducted his $130,000 hush money payment on his New York state taxes. That is a felony. Any of us would have long ago been getting free room and board in a New York State Prison for this.
The Trump Cult complains about lawbreaking by migrants entering the US illegally (a misdemeanor), persons being in the US illegally (a civil violation), and arson and looting (in New York sometimes a misdemeanor sometimes a felony). We have a far left prosecutor who is finally prosecuting someone for something. They should be cheering him on. Instead it is clear that the Trump Cult is okay with lawbreaking by Trump supporters, such as on January 6. Hypocrites.
…. but media reports say that he deducted his $130,000 hush money payment on his New York state taxes.
And yet the tax authorities never picked up on that.
Payments to a lawyer are in fact a business expense. And he doesn’t do his own taxes dummy.
And in NY, since you are referring to state, it is a misdemeanor.
Liberals can't even get their own talking points right.
Your life is forfeit, charlie.
...but media reports
Trump colluded with Russia
Covid came from bat soup
Duke lacross team raped a stripper
Jessie Smollet was attacked by MAGA guys
Dewey defeated Truman
Spain sank the USS Maine
Oh bullshit. Take your democrat lies in down the way to WaPo, or maybe Slate. Your kind belongs there, not here.
"The Trump Cult complains..."
Nothing compared to the caterwauling from TDS-addled lefty shits, TDS-addled lefty shit.
No one in history has been convicted for this. It wasn’t a crime when Federal prosecutors looked at it, an a NYC DA has no jurisdiction to prosecute based on Federal statutes. Bragg will be lucky not to be sent to prison for this abuse of power.
In fact all federal agencies declined to pursue.
Alvin Bragg is clearly more competent and obviously less corrupt than the IRS
Don’t confuse him with facts. It’s a real buzzkill for his democrat fan fiction.
And securing an NDA is probably correctly classified under "legal expenses" when you're talking about a company or brand.
Their feelings don't care about the facts.
Any "facts" in their arguments are simply talking noises aimed at persuasion.
But, but, but....global warming!
You forgot the /sarc tag.
Was hoping the sarc was dripping through the screen.
It was on mine, but charlie up there seems a bit thick...
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