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Majority Still See Hard Work, Tolerance, and Religion as Important American Values

Plus: Free speech is at the heart of the SCOTUS immigration case, the best and worst states for occupational licensing, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 3.28.2023 9:30 AM

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American value shifts? Gone are the days when liberals or conservatives would advocate that the government stay out of…well, anything. A new poll suggests that maybe this political impulse is rooted in a deeper values shift. Only 58 percent of those surveyed said tolerance for others is a very important value, down from 80 percent who said as much four years ago.

The latest Wall Street Journal-NORC poll found other shifts in public opinion as well. For instance, just 38 percent of respondents said patriotism was very important to them and just 39 percent said the same about religion, down from 70 percent and 62 percent in 1998, when the question was first asked. "The share of Americans who say that having children, involvement in their community and hard work are very important values has also fallen," the Journal reports.

But have American values really shifted all that much? While the percentage of poll respondents naming various values as very important has declined, the vast majority still said that things like hard work, patriotism, and tolerance were at least somewhat important.

A look at the polling data reveals that 94 percent still say hard work is very or somewhat important, for instance. Some 67 percent say it's very important and only 3 percent say it's not important at all.

The percentage who say tolerance for others is very important did indeed shrink—but 90 percent still say it's a very or somewhat important value.

Some 70 percent of those surveyed still say marriage is very or somewhat important; 65 percent say having children is very or somewhat important; 80 percent say community involvement is very or somewhat important; and 60 percent still say religion is very or somewhat important.

Americans are still plenty patriotic as well, according to this poll. In all, 73 percent say patriotism is very or somewhat important.

Findings like fewer people attaching extreme importance to patriotism are sometimes portrayed as unabashed negatives. But of course they could reflect positive developments, like an increased willingness to question government authority, more realism about America's flaws, or a comedown from the sort of jingoism that got us the worst of the war on terror.

And tucked in the less publicized poll results are a number of unequivocally positive findings.

For instance, most people surveyed said they are happy, with 56 percent saying they are "pretty happy" and 12 percent saying they are "very happy."

Those surveyed were way more worried about censorship in schools than schools being too permissive in what they teach. Some 61 percent said they were more worried "that some schools may ban books and censor topics that are educationally important" than they were concerned "that some schools may teach books and topics that some students or their parents feel are inappropriate or offensive." Just 36 percent said the reverse.

And despite politics seeming to have crept into every facet of American life, political affiliation is still viewed as the least essential of six traits related to personal identity.

The pollsters asked respondents to think about "the various ways that you define yourself as a person" and determine how important each characteristic was "to your own personal identity." Of the six traits asked about, gender was viewed as the most essential, with 48 percent of those surveyed saying it was vital to their identity. Religion came the closest to gender (34 percent), followed by a three-way tie between race, occupation, and family origin (21 percent). Political affiliation was viewed as essential to identity by just 11 percent.

The poll was conducted March 1-13. It had 1,019 respondents, and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.1 percentage points.


FREE MINDS 

Free speech is at the heart of the SCOTUS immigration case. The Supreme Court yesterday heard arguments in United States v. Hansen, a case concerning a provision of federal immigration law. The law makes it illegal to encourage or induce someone to illegally stay in the country "for the purpose of commercial advantage or financial gain." Those challenging the law say this infringes on a lot of First Amendment–protected speech.

At Monday's arguments, justices "had a lot of questions," notes NPR:

"What do you say to the charitable organizations that say, even under your narrowing construction, there's still going to be a chill or a threat of prosecution for them for providing food or shelter and aid," asked Justice Brett Kavanaugh.

Justice Sonia Sotomayor followed up, saying, "We do know that the Customs Department made a list of all the people, religious entities, the lawyers and others who were providing services to immigrants at the border and was saying they were going to rely on the statute to prosecute them."

Justice Elena Kagan added, "What happens to all the cases where it could be a lawyer, it could be a doctor, it could be a neighbor, it could be a friend, it could be a teacher and could be anybody, says to a noncitizen, 'I really think you should stay.' What happens to that world of cases?"

For more background on the case, see:

  • The Supreme Court Tackles the First Amendment Right To Encourage Illegal Immigration

  • The First Amendment Right To Encourage Illegal Immigration

FREE MARKETS 

Best and worst states for occupational licensing. A new report from the Archbridge Institute, a nonpartisan think tank, looks at the occupational licensing burden in all 50 states. According to the Institute's "2023 State Occupational Licensing Index," states with the most burdensome occupational licensing rules ("based on the total number of barriers to entry into the labor market and the overall number of licenses required," per a press release) are Arkansas, Texas, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Washington. The states with the least burdensome occupational licensing schemes are Kansas, Missouri, Wyoming, Indiana, and Colorado. "Performing well in economic freedom doesn't necessarily mean a state is likely to license fewer occupations," noted study co-author Noah Trudeau in a statement. "Texas and Oklahoma, for example, both rank in the 'Most Free Quartile' of the 2022 Economic Freedom of North America index, but also rank in the most heavily barriered quintile of this index." You can find the full report here.


QUICK HITS

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— The New York Times (@nytimes) March 26, 2023

• Publishers are preparing for war against A.I. tools. (See also: "Publishers get one step closer to killing libraries.")

• Is now the best time to embrace A.I. tools?

• Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis just signed a bill expanding a school voucher program to all Florida students.

• Are Americans really more antisemitic now than they were four decades ago?

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Majority Still See Hard Work, Tolerance, and Religion as Important American Values

    I was assured these are signs of white supremacy.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

      I sometimes wonder if these types of polls are ment to guage how 'well' the liberal agenda is progressing. I'm sure the constant attack of these values as white supremacy will only hasten their demise.

      1. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

        Remember, to the leftist mind not tolerating the intolerant is tolerance so a large chunk of that measure is pure bunk.

        1. Not Robbers=Nut Rubbers   2 years ago

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        2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          Only 58 percent of those surveyed said tolerance for others is a very important value, down from 80 percent..

          I can’t tolerate that.

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        3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago (edited)

          I posted this before, but fuck it, it bears repeating because it’s the keystone of modern leftist ideology:

          Liberating tolerance, then, would mean intolerance against movements from the Right and toleration of movements from the Left. As to the scope of this tolerance and intolerance: … it would extend to the stage of action as well as of discussion and propaganda, of deed as well as of word…The whole post-fascist period is one of clear and present danger. Consequently, true pacification requires the withdrawal of tolerance before the deed, at the stage of communication in word, print, and picture. Such extreme suspension of the right of free speech and free assembly is indeed justified only if the whole of society is in extreme danger. I maintain that our society is in such an emergency situation, and that it has become the normal state of affairs. Different opinions and ‘philosophies’ can no longer compete peacefully for adherence and persuasion on rational grounds: the ‘marketplace of ideas’ is organized and delimited by those who determine the national and the individual interest. In this society, for which the ideologists have proclaimed the ‘end of ideology’, the false consciousness has become the general consciousness–from the government down to its last objects. The small and powerless minorities which struggle against the false consciousness and its beneficiaries must be helped: their continued existence is more important than the preservation of abused rights and liberties which grant constitutionalpowers to those who oppress these minorities. It should be evident by now that the exercise of civil rights by those who don’t have them presupposes the withdrawal of civil rights from those who prevent their exercise, and that liberation of the Damned of the Earth presupposes suppression not only of their old but also of their new masters. Herbert Marcuse, "Repressive Tolerance"

          Note the circular reasoning being employed here, which we see repeated in today’s universities and media organs, that a double standard for the left is a REQUIREMENT, and that any minorities and “downtrodden” who haven’t internalized this double standard are displaying a “false consciousness” versus the “critical consciousness”–which they really mean, marxism versus “fascism,” or, anything which resists their ideological crusade. It’s echoed in declarations that a transgender “genocide” is taking place, for instance, when that is objectively not the case, or that declaration that the planet is going to die if we don’t all convert every country to solar and wind energy. It’s totalitarianism justified through the lens of extreme paranoia and double-speak.

          These people are ultimately religious fanatics, and need to be treated as such.

          1. Ed Grinberg   2 years ago

            These people are ultimately religious fanatics...

            And if you don't share their dogma, you're the infidel. Don't expect any "tolerance" from them...

          2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            In the end, we may have to throw them into a pit.

          3. mtrueman   2 years ago

            The book was published in 1965 by someone whose project was the melding of psychoanalysis and marxism. Modern Leftism is more about environmentalism, anarcha-feminism, queer theory and post colonialism.

            "Such extreme suspension of the right of free speech and free assembly is indeed justified only if the whole of society is in extreme danger."

            This is something that all statists and everyone else who claims to speak for the safety of the whole society believes.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              This doesn't refute my statement one iota. As I've pointed out to you before, it's simply marxism in a different set of clothes.

              1. mtrueman   2 years ago

                Is a book from 1965 really the best you can do? Are you unfamiliar with anything written this century?

                1. Minadin   2 years ago

                  LAWL.

                  Keep reading that manifesto written in 1848. I'm sure someday the right people will be in charge and make it work.

                2. Beezard   2 years ago (edited)

                  In the genre of leftist philosophy that wasn’t directly influenced by Marcuse? I’d like to see you try.

                  In general, how about the politics of freedom (1985) by Paulo Frieri. Still has elements of Marcuse. Everything leftists have barfed out the half last century does. But Kinda influential, all the same.

                  1. mtrueman   2 years ago

                    Still nothing from this century? I suspect the websites you are parroting are mired in cold war thinking. Hence the obsession with dinosaurs like Marcuse, who you've been led to believe is the source of all things modern and leftist.

                    1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

                      Why are you dismissing Beezard's argument based on the age of the book he cited? That doesn't refute his argument whatsoever. Are you just incapable that a 20th-century book can influence 21st-century people today?

                3. JimboJr   2 years ago

                  and yet modern leftists still base most of their (if not all) political beliefs and strategies on Marx.

                  If not directly (often) then on a new derivative (critical theory etc).

                  Its all repackaged, failed, ideology

                  1. mtrueman   2 years ago

                    1965? That's your idea of modern? Is that the best you can do for 'modern leftist thought?' You're not even trying.

                    1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

                      Why do you dismiss JimboJr's argument based on when the book that was cited got published? We have texts from ancient Greek philosophers, Jewish and Christian leaders, as well as medieval and Enlightenment people that remain an influence on societies today, for better and for worse. Why do you think a book from 1965 can't do the same? Modern leftists hold many principles from that book, and ultimately from Marxism.

                      Your argument is lousy. Lose it.

    2. Jerry B.   2 years ago

      So the majority are obviously MAGA hat wearing deplorables.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Based on what other reports on the poll included, actually yes. The majorities in support of these oppressive slaver values align with people who claim to be independent or conservative, and older. Young leftists pretty much reject work, tolerance, and religion (except of course their new-age "secular" religion).

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Considering that left-wing Zoomers also display record levels of diagnosed mental illness, there appears to be a correlation there as well.

    4. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

      So much more work to do! Must completely eliminate "Hard Work, Tolerance, and Religion" before we can hope to achieve a truly equitable state of universal poverty.

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  2. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    ...the vast majority still said that things like hard work, patriotism, and tolerance were at least somewhat important.

    I need to see the Venn diagram of people who responded to this poll and people who touch grass. It may be a circle and those people need to get onto Twitter fast to fix this.

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      [holds up baggie, extends index finger, touches grass]

  3. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

    "Elon Musk said Twitter is now worth about $20 billion, according to an email he sent the company’s employees — a significant drop from the $44 billion that he paid to buy the social network in October."

    That's because all the cool people moved to Mastodon.

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Jack Dorseys new company is being investigated for lying about number of users. Wonder if it is related.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Does he even look like an honest guy to you?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          In a cough drop sort of way.

    2. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

      Remember, also, he pretty significantly overpaid in order to force the sale to happen. I don't remember what the actual estimated value was at the time of sale, though.

    3. Rocinante   2 years ago

      It’s a preemptive strike against the unrealized gains tax.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    But of course they could reflect positive developments, like an increased willingness to question government authority...

    That settles it. Patriots want to kill grandma.

    1. Nelson   2 years ago

      Let's be honest, most people want to kill grandma. She's kinda a bitch.

      1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

        No, that's just you. We respect our elders, you just advocate ageism.

        1. Nelson   2 years ago

          Depends on the grandma, doesn't it?

  5. JesseAz   2 years ago

    Pickett's description of a large library of compilation videos comes as federal prosecutors divulged in the case of one Jan. 6 defendant, William Pope, that there is police body-cam footage they don't want to make public that shows D.C. Metropolitan Police officers — some in plain clothes — consorting with the protesters and even exhorting "Go! Go! Go!" as the protesters are trying to penetrate the Capitol.
    .
    GoPro video recorded by an MPD Police Officer who was stationed at the Capitol in an evidence-gathering capacity, captures the officer shouting words to the effect of 'Go! Go! Go!' (MPD-005-000035 at time stamp 2:37), 'Go! Go! Go!' (MPD-005-000035 at time stamp 7:23), and 'Keeping going! Keep going!' (MPD-005-000035 at time stamp 8:16) apparently to the individuals in front of him on the balustrade of the U.S. Capitol's northwest staircase around 2:15 p.m.

    https://justthenews.com/government/security/tuetwo-years-later-jan-6-video-footage-raises-new-questions-about-police-and

    1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

      No widespread police instigation.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        There are 5 Proud Boys on trial. The DoJ has now admitted to 10 CIs.

        1. Nelson   2 years ago

          Ten of the five Proud Boys on trial were CIs?

          1. Minadin   2 years ago

            They don't typically put CI's on trial.

            . . .

            1. Nelson   2 years ago

              So ten Proud Boys were CIs?

  6. JesseAz   2 years ago

    As Journalist Matt Taibbi was testifying on the hill, IRS agents began showing up at his home.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/jim-jordan-demands-docs-after-irs-attempt-intimidate-journalist-matt-taibbi-during-govt

    1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

      The IRS makes a house call to inform Taibbi his 2018 tax return was rejected while discussing the weaponization of the federal gov't in front of congress. And we have the audacity to criticize other totalitarian regimes.

      1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

        Well, of course they had to show up in person; they can't trust the mails anymore.
        That's why we need more armed IRS agents than Marines.

      2. HorseConch   2 years ago

        I'm sure they always visit people's houses to tell them a 5 year old return was rejected, rather than try to verify they information on the return submitted.

        1. mad.casual   2 years ago

          Phbbbt. You think they keep all those originals around for verification and auditing purposes? What do you think this is, voting?

          This is a democracy! Unregulated, punitive taxation without verifiable, auditable representation!

          1. Moonrocks   2 years ago

            You think they keep all those originals around for verification and auditing purposes? What do you think this is, voting?

            Yeah, maybe in some Far-Right Neo-Nazi Fascist Dictatorship. Our Democracy is too strong for White Supremacist concepts like verification and auditing.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Never fuck with the king, or the king's men.

    3. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

      I hope he doesn't have a dog that he likes.

    4. JimboJr   2 years ago

      They aren't even hiding it. They are doing it in broad daylight and telling us

    5. Truthfulness   2 years ago

      #FreeTaibbi

  7. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    The law makes it illegal to encourage or induce someone to illegally stay in the country "for the purpose of commercial advantage or financial gain."

    Then I guess Congress needs to be locked up for the financial incentives it introduced to stay home and not work. America needs workers.

    1. Moonrocks   2 years ago (edited)

      The law makes it illegal to encourage or induce someone to illegally stay in the country “for the purpose of commercial advantage or financial gain.”

      Reason hardest hit.

      1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

        If it was illegal to encourage illegal immigration, Reason would have received the Death Penalty long ago

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago (edited)

        Reason’s benefactor hardest hit (maybe).

        Quick, fire up the Fiona-bot.

  8. JesseAz   2 years ago

    We have all heard of the Military Industrial Complex, should we be more worried about the Medical Security State?

    https://mises.org/wire/rise-medical-security-state

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      Yes.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    The states with the least burdensome occupational licensing schemes are Kansas, Missouri, Wyoming, Indiana, and Colorado.

    Middle America wants me dead via incorrectly braided hair.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

      It is all those unlicensed florists and decorators you really have to look out for.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        You overlooked the dangers of unlicensed eyebrow weaving.

      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        Yeah, the unlicensed rose bouquet makers can have some real pricks among them! 😉

        1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

          One wrong move and you are pushing up daisies.

    2. Longtobefree   2 years ago

      That's not really why we want you dead, it's just an acceptable excuse.

      1. mad.casual   2 years ago

        Don't make me serve pizza at your gay wedding. You won't like me when I serve pizza at your gay wedding... also, I'm not trained to serve pizza at your gay wedding.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Fly-over savages!

  10. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago (edited)

    Some 61 percent said they were more worried “that some schools may ban books and censor topics that are educationally important”

    Educationally important topics like sexual dimorphism.

    1. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      Or Middle English literature.

    2. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

      How to be properly racist against the correct people.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        ^Winner!

  11. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Elon Musk said Twitter is now worth about $20 billion, according to an email he sent the company's employees — a significant drop from the $44 billion that he paid to buy the social network in October.

    And still he likely increased its value.

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  12. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Publishers are preparing for war against A.I. tools.

    Skynet starts as a plagiarist!

    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

      It can't bothsides! yet, so Reason 'editors' are safe.

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Took 40 years for a plagiarism to become president. Start the clock for president GPT.

    3. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      I'm laughing my ass off over journalists feeling threatened by a glorified software parrot.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Takin r jerbs!

      2. Nelson   2 years ago (edited)

        LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

        If I ever understand the point of having a sock, it will now be called “Glorified Software Parrot”.

        Moonrocks, that is the funniest phrase I’ve read since I got here. Well done, sir! I plan to steal it.

        Maybe I’ll copyright “ChatGSP”.

        1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

          Aren't you a sockpuppet yourself? You're not in a position to talk.

          1. Nelson   2 years ago

            Yes, I'm a sock. I just happen to have a unique issue profile and writing style from anyone else here. Are you going to call me Shrike, too?

            1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

              You certainly do have the same views Shrike does. I wouldn't count out the possibility of you being a child groomer.

  13. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Is now the best time to embrace A.I. tools?

    Depends how easily they can be used to manipulate the masses.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      What color skin is AI?

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Depends if they use night mode in their IDE or not.

        1. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

          Do the emoji skintone define the AI or does the AI define the skin tones alloable?

      2. mad.casual   2 years ago

        Black with rainbow-LED lit exhaust fans, duh.

      3. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        And can it speak Ebonics?

    2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      Are AIs good at frottage and oil 'rasslin'? Asking for many friends...
      🙂

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        They could be, if you interface the right peripherals.

  14. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis just signed a bill expanding a school voucher program to all Florida students.

    Same as Hitler.

    1. HorseConch   2 years ago

      He'll be starting the trains soon. What a monster.

      1. mad.casual   2 years ago

        No monorail? Sad.

        1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

          That's a Disney thing.

    2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      Ackshuyally, the idea of tax money following children around is pretty creepy! What government subsidizes, it ultimately controls.

      Just untax the citizernry and abolish compulsory attendance laws and citizens will either ffind or create their own schools and curricula.

      1. The Last American Hero   2 years ago

        Axxually, incremental moves in the right direction are a good thing. Take the win.

        1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

          I just don't want to be around 50 years from now and see some other old duffer with a sign saying:

          "STOPP SO-SHUL-EYEZED EDU-MA-KAY-SHUN! GIT YER GUMMINT MITZ AWF MUH VOW-CHER!"

          It's coming. You heard it here first.

          1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

            Shall we wager on that?

  15. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Are Americans really more antisemitic now than they were four decades ago?

    Kanye not withstanding, do people generally really think about the Jews anymore?

    1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

      No and that's antisemitic

    2. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      More than you might think, but far fewer than what race grifters want you to think.

    3. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

      Foaming at the mouth hatred of Israel says yes.

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Ask the Squad.

    5. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Any mention of Soros is antisemitic.

    6. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago (edited)

      That’s answering a question with a question, so should you change your handle to (((Fist of Etiquette)))?
      😉 /Sarc. /I kid because I love

      1. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

        This is literal antisemitism.

  16. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

    A look at the polling data reveals that 94 percent still say hard work is very or somewhat important, for instance.

    Can you have them define hard work? Recent batch of new hires complain of working more than 30 hours in a week. Government workers refuse to stop working from home even with the IG showing half dont even log into their site VPNs to do work. We have all seen life in a a day at Twitter which showed no actual working.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Look, deflecting work and running a personal paycheck scam is itself hard work. How much more do you want oppressed people to do?

  17. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

    If publishers kill of the library, then where will hoboes go to whack off in front of childrenn?

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Sarc might know.

    2. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      San Francisco.

    3. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      the sidewalk, like they do in San Fran

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        There are no children in SF. Just dogs and cats.

  18. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    Christie sees a lane in the GOP primary: Trump destroyer.
    .......
    The former New Jersey governor said the Republicans need someone who can take on Trump “like what I did to Marco.”

    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/27/christie-sees-a-lane-in-the-gop-primary-trump-destroyer-00089121

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Have another pie, governor.

      1. HorseConch   2 years ago

        Not sure Fatty McGee is the guy to go in there and go toe-to-tow in a battle of wits.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          He might be up for a pie eating contest with JB Pritzker.

    2. Sevo   2 years ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Trump is doing a pretty good job of that, already:

      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-goes-silent-after-he-attempts-mock-desantis

      "While similar jabs against political opponents have been a hit with Trump's crowds during past rallies, those in attendance were noticeably more silent as Trump took aim at DeSantis."

      Uh oh.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        "those in attendance were noticeably more silent as Trump took aim at DeSantis.”

        Also Mike, "iT's a cULT".

  19. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Encounter with trans-activists

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/03/28/i-thought-i-would-be-crushed-to-death/

    The distressing footage from women’s rights campaigner Kelly-Jay Keen’s violent encounter with trans activists in Auckland has made one thing clear beyond doubt: the trans movement has a serious misogyny problem. At the weekend, Keen was pelted with tomato juice, jeered at and hounded by a crushing mob of trans activists. In the run-up to the event, she was demonised in the Australian and New Zealand media, who portrayed her as a crypto-Nazi. Attempts were made to have her visa revoked and to shut down her Let Women Speak tour. All this, because Keen campaigns for women’s rights, because she does not mince her words about the need for single-sex spaces, and because she lends a platform to ordinary women who share her concerns about trans-rights activism.

    1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

      Reads like hate crimes to me - - - - - - -

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Which side?

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      The distressing footage from women’s rights campaigner Kelly-Jay Keen’s violent encounter with trans activists in Auckland has made one thing clear beyond doubt: the trans movement has a serious misogyny problem

      Yeah, who could have expected that a movement dedicated to enabling mentally ill men in their belief that they make better women than biological women themselves would be filled with porn-addicted coomers and Buffalo Bills who know, deep down, that they'll never really be a woman no matter what kind of stinkditch and amhole they get, and hate actual women for that fact?

  20. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Auntie Beeb and online censorship.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/03/28/laurie-marianna-spring/

    Ever since Elon Musk took over Twitter last October, the billionaire’s promise to create a free-speech platform has made him a target for our censorious media establishment. The BBC, in particular, has clearly got it in for Musk. In recent weeks, Marianna Spring, the BBC’s specialist disinformation and social-media correspondent, has produced a series of overwhelmingly negative reports about Musk’s Twitter takeover. ‘How Elon Musk’s tweets unleashed a wave of hate’, ran a typical headline of hers last week. It followed her recent BBC Panorama investigation, titled ‘Elon Musk’s Twitter Storm’.

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Do you think any of them actually believe it, or they're all just performing for their peers?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Watch an episode or two of W1A (ironically broadcast on BBC).

  21. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    LET’S JUST SAY IT: THE GOP IS OBSESSED WITH PENISES
    From Trump’s “Tiny D” moniker to Tucker Carlson’s ball-tanning, Republicans can’t seem to stop talking about that body part. Is somebody feeling insecure?

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/03/gop-penis-obsession

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

      Why are you always trying to distract from the fact that it’s about emails demonstrating that Hunter was directly involved in bribe payments, by using shell corporations to wash money through other countries leveraging his father as the previous vice president of the United States?

      Is pretending it’s about penis on your fifty-center talking points pdf, or did you try to pursue this penis narrative yourself?

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Defend Dems at All Cost. Soros told him to.

      2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        Ask Vanity Fair. I didn't write the article.

        I first noticed this conservative obsession when Senator Larry Craig went "wide stance" in airport men's rooms. It is some kind of repressed desire.

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          You are fucked in the head.

        2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          So it's the narrative being pushed, gotcha.

          Aren't you ever embarrassed by having to push such weak sauce attempts at gaslighting though?

          I mean "Don't look at the bribery, it's about penis" isn't exactly the cleverest distraction technique.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

            No bribery.

            Chuck Todd Shreds Ron Johnson’s Attempt to Attack Hunter Biden

            https://www.thedailybeast.com/chuck-todd-shreds-ron-johnsons-attempt-to-attack-hunter-biden

            Bring it on. You got nothing.

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

              You again didn’t read your own Daily Beast (lol) link.

              “Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) tried to stick to GOP talking points during a Meet The Press appearance on Sunday, but moderator Chuck Todd wasn’t having any of it. “Senator, do you have a crime that you think Hunter Biden committed?” Todd asked. “It is not a crime to make money off of your last name.” Johnson pointed to a report written by Marco Polo USA, an organization co-founded by former Trump White House adviser Garrett Ziegler (famous for blasting the Jan. 6 committee with profanities and doxxing alleged FBI agents), that alluded to “potential” crimes committed by the younger Biden.“Let me stop you there,” Todd insisted. “This is potential. Potential is innuendo.”

              “Moderator” demands an example. Senator gives example. “Let me stop you there, This is potential. Potential is innuendo.”

              Lol, pretty much the opposite of what you just claimed.

              "Potential is innuendo.”

              Seriously desperate.

              1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                Meaning of innuendo in English
                (the making of) a remark or remarks that suggest something sexual or something unpleasant but do not refer to it directly: There's always an element of sexual innuendo in our conversations. Synonyms. hint (INDIRECT STATEMENT) implication.

                INNUENDO | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary

                Cambridge University Press & Assessment

                1. Sevo   2 years ago

                  BTW, turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
                  If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
                  turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

                2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                  I know what the definition of innuendo is Shrike, and it's got nothing to do with "potential" or the report Ron Johnson mentioned, which was about bribes and not penises.

                  I hope you didn't get fifty-cents for that last one.

                3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                  Like DNC shill Chuck Todd has any credibility.

                  Anyway, it's your side that seems to think of a penis every time it sees a gun or a truck, and of course there's your obsession with kiddie porn that you were banned for. That's why it's hardly a coincidence that "penis" was the first deflection your side thought of here, too.

                  Is the reason your side is so obsessed with dong because of envy, or what?

    2. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

      "Buttplug!
      Moneyshot!
      Sloppy pullout!
      Tiny mushroom dick!
      Hunter Biden's penis!"

      You have the genitalia / bodily fluid humor of a 12 year old boy. Of all the perfectly valid reasons the GOP deserves to be mocked, this is the last one you should be using.

      #GlassHouses

    3. Zeb   2 years ago

      I believe you are the only person who ever brings up Hunter's penis here.

      1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

        His #Resistance masters told him to stop calling it Russian disinformation.

        #Defend(Hunter)BidenAtAllCosts

      2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        There is a full investigation by the new GOP House!

        It has been in the news a lot. Leading GOP newspaper ran daily stories like this:

        The naked truth on the Hunter Biden laptop coverup

        https://nypost.com/2022/12/20/the-naked-truth-on-the-hunter-biden-laptop-coverup/

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Not reading your own links again and just relying on headlines and pictures, huh?

          "Numerous reports show that enough Biden voters said they would have voted for Trump to change the outcome had they known Biden was “the big guy” slated to get a secret 10% cut of his son’s China payoff."

          Ctrl+f "Penis" = 0/0

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

            That is the bar tab, idiot.

            If you have proof it isn't tell Ron Johnson and Comer.

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              The proof is the Burisma emails... on the laptop. Seriously, who are you trying to trick?

              1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                Even if you are right (and you are not) Donnie proved that a sitting president cannot be indicted for anything.

                Impeachment is your only recourse. Good luck.

                1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                  Because "Donnie" didn't actually do anything, and Biden took pay to play bribes when he was vice-president. Not sitting president.

                2. Sevo   2 years ago

                  Don't forget, turd lies. It's what turd does.

                3. Zeb   2 years ago

                  So, if indictment is not a possible outcome, we should ignore all evidence of wrongdoing by a president?

            2. Sevo   2 years ago

              "That is the bar tab, idiot.
              If you have proof it isn’t tell Ron Johnson and Comer."

              turd is not only dishonest, turd is stupid enough to assume it's YOUR job to support TURD's claims.

            3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

              Lol. People worth millions frequently discuss what percentage of the “bar tab” should be paid by whom. Follow up emails to ensure equity are common.

              Idiot.

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      As opposed to removing or re-gendering penises?

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        I'm no prog. I call a trannie a trannie.

        And that dude should be disqualified from competing with those chicks.

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          Did I mention that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    5. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Imagine sitting down as a "journalist" and writing an article like this.

  22. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    “Elon Musk said Twitter is now worth about $20 billion"

    The "now" was added by the New York Times. He said it was only worth $20 billion because he was making a point about the previous management.
    Musk also said in the email that he believed Twitter could be worth $250 billion in the near future.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      It’s all envy.

    2. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      It's a bit annoying that this kind of blatant disinformation isn't grounds for a libel lawsuit.

      1. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

        The financing companies are taking a write-down on the investment so it's at least currently true. This of course ignores the interference by outside forces to strangle ad revenue as well as the positive changes for viability despite that without perpetual investment infusions.

  23. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Funding CRT instead of weapons and equipment.

    https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_2554b526-cca8-11ed-bef5-2b82a6b5bad7.html

    The Pentagon is increasingly struggling to fill the weapons and equipment requests for the war in Ukraine. At the same time, taxpayer funds are going to pay for ongoing diversity, equity and inclusion efforts in the military, most recently one controversial Pentagon official pushing anti-police and pro-critical race theory books at schools for the children of military families.

    Critics say the Pentagon has become distracted. U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., and Rep. Chip Roy, R-Texas, commissioned a report that laid out a series of examples of racial and gender ideology permeating military training, policies and leadership, all at taxpayer expense, as The Center Square previously reported.

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      "At the same time, taxpayer funds are going to pay for ongoing diversity, equity and inclusion efforts in the military"

      Well of course party-indoctrination is more important for the army of a one party ideological state. Look for political officers to start being assigned in the next five years

      1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

        Yeah, it will easier for leftist ideologues to murder conservatives in the future US.

        Genocide stage 7.

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          Paranoia runs deep…

          1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

            Is that the replacement phrase for “conspiracy theory “?

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

              Get woke! Only oppressed people and their champions like Mike are allowed honest (and debilitating) paranoia.

      2. Ed Grinberg   2 years ago

        https://vdare.com/posts/biden-making-crt-our-official-state-ideology-with-susan-rice-as-commissar-of-goodthink

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Send the trannies to Ukraine, since their stinkditches are effective biological weapons that haven't been banned yet under the Geneva Convention.

    3. Nelson   2 years ago (edited)

      “The Pentagon is increasingly struggling to fill the weapons and equipment requests for the war in Ukraine.”

      There isn’t a funding shortfall, but everyone knows that manufacturing and supply chain speed is negatively impacted when the Pentagon does stuff the writer doesn’t like.

      Obviously when the Pentagon orders weapons from Ratheon, the speed with which they can provide them is directly related to … diversity efforts?

      If you can’t see that there is zero connection between manufacturing and diversity efforts, you don’t understand the most basic things like cause and effect.

      The craziest part is that the author didn’t make the slightest effort to eatablish how the things he doesn’t like impact military equipment. It’s like he knows that the people who hate DEI won’t ask and won’t doubt it’s true, even with no evidence.

      Hint: saying that two things are true doesn’t mean they are related at all.

      1. Beezard   2 years ago

        Maybe you can offer an explanation on how enforcing racial/gender quotas at work and replacing an ethos of rewarding merit, with a hierarchy of oppression actually improves productivity.

        1. Nelson   2 years ago

          You got me, but it works. Productivity is on a multi-decade rise.

          Probably part of it is the less competent folks who got their jobs back in the bad old days are getting outperformed by the ones that are getting hired now.

          With a larger, multiracial, and better educated workforce, the anti-diversity hires of the 90s are losing out because they weren't the best workers to begin with.

          Plus, of course, the number of good jobs that people are competing for hasn't really changed, but with barriers reduced the number of qualified people is much higher.

          1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

            And where is the proof that any of that has happened? Why, for an example, does affirmative action reduce the productivity, contrary to your claims?

            I suspect you are lying once again. Repent of your evil ways, Nelson.

            1. Nelson   2 years ago (edited)

              It doesn’t. That was my point. I just made it sarcastically.

              If you want it in simpler terms, here it is: the speed at which military equipment is manufactured is completely unrelated to DoD diversity efforts. Does that help you understand?

  24. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Money for power instead of power.

    https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/article_72a51050-ccd0-11ed-b8c2-0b0899ca4df8.html

    A former Commonwealth Edison executive told jurors Monday that rewards for associates of former Illinois House Speaker Michael Madigan were disguised through a series of contracts

    Marquez said former Chicago alderman Frank Olivo, longtime Madigan campaign operative Ray Nice, former Cook County Recorder of Deeds Edward Moody, former state Rep. Eddie Acevedo and former state Rep. Michael Zalewski did little, if any, work for ComEd.

    1. Nelson   2 years ago

      If you know about Mike Madigan, this is completely unsurprising.

      If you don't, take this particular example of rampant corruption and project it onto everything Madigan ever did and you won't be far removed from the truth.

      I'm pretty sure he figured out how to get bribed to take a shit every day.

      1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

        And yet you are totally fine when Biden himself gets bribery money from Hunter Biden and his arrangements at Ukraine. Are you going to condemn him too?

        1. Nelson   2 years ago

          As soon as there is more than a vague reference to "the big guy" in an email, get back to me. I don't engage in speculative conspiracy theories.

          1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

            Who else do you think "the big guy" is? How is that any less of a "speculative conspiracy theory" than using common sense?

            1. Nelson   2 years ago

              He's Catholic, so he tithes 10% to the Church. God is, after all, The Big Guy for Catholics.

  25. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

    Some 61 percent said they were more worried "that some schools may ban books and censor topics that are educationally important" than they were concerned "that some schools may teach books and topics that some students or their parents feel are inappropriate or offensive."

    Guess that means 61% of America is pro-grooming. /Reason commenter

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Hey Jeff, are you now pro-book burning?

      trans activists burn Harry Potter books

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Well, sure, when you offer up that kind of false dichotomy, it's not hard to get the result you want.

  26. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Libraries gone wild.

    https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_d31bfdd0-cc1d-11ed-843b-6ba27bb5144a.html

    “Gender Queer” was purchased by the Madison public school district last year. Other books bought included titles such as “A kids book about being non-binary,” “A kids book about being transgender,” “A kids book about systemic racism,” “White Supremacy, a guided journal,” “Queer: the ultimate LGBTQ guide of teens,” “Queer ducks (and other animals) the natural world of animal sexuality,” as well as numerous other books exploring the issue of gender and white supremacy.

    In Seattle, some of the books purchased in 2022 included "Rise Up! How you can join the fight against white supremacy" and "Read this to get smarter: about race, class, gender, disability & more."

    Seattle's school district also bought "Race Cars: A children's Book about White Privilege." Amazon stated the book was "Written by a clinical social worker and child therapist with experience in anti-bias training and edited by a diversity expert ..."

    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

      So, does parental control of schools only go in one direction?

      If the parents of Seattle want their kids learning about white privilege and gender issues, shouldn't they be able to set the curriculum of their schools to that end?

      1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

        Parents who want their kids to read this shit can simply order the book on Amazon.

        Same with religious books.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

          I see.

          So conservative parents get to dictate what goes in their schools' libraries, but liberal parents cannot. Got it.

          1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

            I propose a public school ban on all religious books. This includes all DEI books. DEI is, in fact, a faith-based religion.

          2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            That's literally the opposite of what Bob just said.

          3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            So conservative parents get to dictate what goes in their schools’ libraries, but liberal parents cannot. Got it.

            Liberal parents already do that in their own communities, you stupid fat fuck. You just have a problem with it when conservatives do it in theirs.

          4. Uilleam   2 years ago

            You don't have any kids you fat smelly pedo. Stay away from ours.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Nope. Public schools are not the place for blatant ideological conditioning. Remember the past 300 years when liberals fought to remove religion and actual racism?

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Jeff's educational hero seems to be Mao. He wants indoctrination.

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

          So I'll put you down as being opposed to parental control of schools then.

          1. HorseConch   2 years ago

            Getting rid of harmful shit is not controllling schools.

            1. Nelson   2 years ago

              Harmful shit as defined by ... who?

              1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

                Common sense, Nelson. You lack that.

                1. Nelson   2 years ago

                  Common sense says that gay and trans issues aren't the same as talking about sexual activity. Yet in your world (like many cultural conservatives) they're the same.

                  Clearly you don't have any common sense. But you do have a lot of anger.

                  1. Truthfulness   2 years ago (edited)

                    No, you conveniently left out the fact that many gays and so-called trans people make their sexuality the central part of their lives, and are promoting it to children. That’s very much supporting child sexuality. We should not have any of that in society, and keep children out of it until they’re grownup adults (i.e. no longer children). Doesn’t take anger to believe that.

        3. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

          anyone want to bet LyingJeffy would be screaming if say the school district in Coeur d'Alene, ID or Salt Lake City, UT was buying copies of Kirk Cameron's faith based children's books? Or Newt Gingrich's patriotic themed children's books? Or Mike Sanders conservative themed history books for children? Of course, he'll deny he would have a problem now that we point it out, but I'm sure if those ever ended up in a school's curriculum he would be livid, screaming, separation of church and state and that schools shouldn't be pushing ideology.

          1. Nelson   2 years ago

            No, schools shouldn't be teaching religion.

            As long as you are teaching history, you are teaching ideology. It's impossible not to. But it isn't one ideology, it's many. Some beneficial, some detrimental. Some uplifting, some soaked in violence and fear. Learning about them is called 'education'. Almost always, they are a blend of good and bad. Because almost nothing is black-and-white.

            English (as in literature) is less ideology-centric, but it's still pretty hard to avoid. Like history, it's many ideologies, depending on the author, the subject, and their approach (like Catch-22, for example).

            What you're saying is you are fine with ideology, you just want some specific ideas banned because they make you feel icky. That's not a good reason to ban topics in school.

            1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

              First, teach history without discussing religion. Can't do it can you. Second, all the other three book series I mentioned are history books. Also, it isn't history to teach that white people alone are racist. That white people are responsible for slavery alone or that white people are born with privilege they have to learn how to undo. That is ideology.

              Yes, I don't believe in teaching prepubescent children about sex without parental permission. God, how anti-liberty of me. Yes, I don't believe kids should be taught they are bad because of their skin color. I know, how UnAmerican. You're an idiot I see. That shit ain't history, moron. That's strictly opinion. It is the same as teaching a book written by David Duke, or Mein Kampf as your textbook. No different. Keep obscuring what is actually happen, because like most progressives, you have little to no familiarity with telling the truth. Carry on.

              1. Nelson   2 years ago (edited)

                “First, teach history without discussing religion.”

                I said teach religion, not discuss religion. Talking about history (especially wars and atrocities) without discussing religion is, as you say, impossible.

                “Second, all the other three book series I mentioned are history books.”

                I agree, using ‘history’ a little loosely. They are ideological, but there’s no reason they should be banned. That’s my point, that ideology is inextricable from education. Banning just the ones you don’t like is censorship and bias, especially when it isn’t justified by objective standards.

                “Also, it isn’t history to teach that white people alone are racist.”

                No, but teaching that in America blacks were systemically discriminated against for the majority of our history isn’t CRT.

                I would defy you to find any standard school text that claims that only whites were racist. Or that white people are responsible for slavery alone. Or that white people are born with privilege they have to learn how to undo. Those things just aren’t taught in schools.

                Pointing out that whites in the past (especially in the South) were racist isn’t claiming they were the only ones. Pointing out that whites were almost the entirety of slaveholders in America isn’t claiming no one else was involved in the slave trade (especially in Africa). And the last bit is a rather oversimplified encapsulation of a (in my mind, flawed) CRT concept that isn’t in any standard text or curricula.

                “Yes, I don’t believe in teaching prepubescent children about sex without parental permission.”

                Talking about gay people and gender identity isn’t teaching about sex. It boggles my mind that rational people think that.

                “God, how anti-liberty of me.”

                Agreed. You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. And you certainly don’t get to foist it off on others.

                “Yes, I don’t believe kids should be taught they are bad because of their skin color.”

                Not happening in K-12 schools. Also not what CRT teaches in college, but it’s definitely not in K-12.

                “You’re an idiot I see. That shit ain’t history, moron. That’s strictly opinion.”

                I agree it’s opinion. Your opinion. About what’s being taught. You try to take teaching about racism (a historical reality in American history, agreed?) and present it as CRT. You try to take talking about whites as part of slavery and turn it into ‘only whites’. You filter everything through a victim mindset. It distorts your perception of the difference between factual information and anti-white bias.

                “It is the same as teaching … Mein Kampf”

                I read a good portion of Mein Kampf in high school. And discussed it. Same with The Autobiography of Malcom X. I’m neither a Nazi or a Muslim. This is the point rational people constantly make. Kids don’t just mindlessly adopt whatever ideas they are discussing in school.

      3. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

        It seems ITL's link is not about parents controlling the books in the schools. To wit: ""Books are added to our library according to student interests and are vetted using a couple of trusted sources, one of which is the American Library Association," said Andrew Cluley, spokesperson for the Ann Arbor school district. "

    2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      get rid of public schools. it's the only way to be sure.

  27. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/Oilfield_Rando/status/1640497657209651200?t=XVkNXKzjDhKwsQBRL2972Q&s=19

    Let’s go ahead and start a thread of the most despicable media takes.

    I’ll start.

    [Thread]

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      they hate you so much.

  28. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1640696280912474112?t=FjzANEPWn_9Ucb3Oe2NSGw&s=19

    The media is already framing this attack as dangerous for the trans community when a Christian school was just shot up and Christian children killed

    [Video]

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      How long until chemjeff tells us that the kids deserved it?

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        That’s what they get for not being trans.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      This is going to get memory-holed just like the dipshit who shot up the King Soopers in Boulder a few months ago--when the shooter is one of the left's own cohort, the last thing they want is to draw more attention to them. That was why the whole Club Q shootout got its signal jammed when the shooter trolled the court by saying he was non-binary.

      1. The Last American Hero   2 years ago

        See also Scalia shooting, Giffords shooting and asshole that drove through a parade with his assault suv.

  29. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Social contagion, girls, and trans.

    https://nypost.com/2023/03/27/social-contagion-is-making-teen-girls-depressed-and-trans/

    We are going to look back years from now and wonder how, as a society, we failed young girls so badly.

    Between social media and fashionable gender theories, we are making teenage girls depressed, anxious and trans.

    Internet searches for anorexia in recent years have declined while searches for transgender have soared.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      They forgot endless global apocalypse scenarios and chronic official pandemics with 110% mortality.

    2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Our society is destroying boys even more thoroughly.

      It is an absolute catastrophe what's happening in the west.

  30. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/Theo_TJ_Jordan/status/1640671616056057858?t=8hNbZJBUpkkgdh401TGKhg&s=19

    This is Officer Rex Englebert and Officer Michael Collazo. The two men who charged into that school under fire yesterday and took out the shooter. In doing so, they unquestionably saved many lives. Heroes, the real kind.

    [Link]

    1. Nardz   2 years ago

      https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1640722557111357441?t=A6GujcnYXe4FaxHGuaFObw&s=19

      JUST IN - Police release footage of officers neutralizing the transgender shooter who killed multiple children and teachers at a Christian school in Nashville yesterday.

      [Video]

      1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

        The blurred out dead kid in the hall puts it all into prespective how evil that s.o.b. was.

      2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Chemjeff will call this an anti-trans hate crime.

    2. Anomalous   2 years ago

      This is how it's done, Uvalde.

    3. JesseAz   2 years ago

      You praised a cop. Sarc is going to call you a secret officer now.

    4. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      this is literally one of the few things cops are for. Bravo to these guys.

    5. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

      Another act of violence against the trans community just for being trans, how shameful.

    6. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

      Why didn't they shoot it in the leg? Murder doesn't carry the death penalty, err, Nevermind. Obviously, shooting the perpetrator was totally transphobic. Yet, more reason to defund them, much to quick to kill someone who is shooting innocent kids instead of trying to deescalate. Did they even call a crisis counselor?

    7. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      What color were the dead kids? We need the relevant facts.

  31. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Malaise.

    https://nypost.com/2023/03/27/the-usa-is-experiencing-a-crisis-of-faith-in-itself/

    If you ask most people my age what it means to be an American today, you get a blank stare in response. Faith, patriotism, family and hard work are disappearing.

    A recent Wall Street Journal survey reveals that young people in particular are responsible for driving this trend: 59% of Americans age 65 and older say that patriotism is “very important” to them, compared with only 23% of adults under age 30. The survey observed a similar gap with respect to interest in religion, hard work and having children.

  32. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    The end of the world is always tomorrow, yet that tomorrow never comes.

    https://nypost.com/2023/03/27/climate-doomsayers-are-always-wrong-but-cling-to-their-anti-human-faith/

    Today climate science provides an end-times prophecy that works in much the same way as the religious apocalypticism of old.

    Religion enchants the world, lending spiritual significance to every part of life. Climate change makes everything from charging your iPhone to skipping beef for dinner a potentially salvific act.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      it's like when cult leaders predict the end of the world and just keep moving the date after it comes and goes.

      1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

        I just wish they'd Heaven Gate themselves already.

  33. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    " Gone are the days when liberals or conservatives would advocate that the government stay out of…well, anything."

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Oh, she's serious.

    1. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      Let me laugh even harder

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  34. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Your air conditioning is next on their agenda.

    https://nypost.com/2023/03/27/bidens-latest-target-in-his-war-on-appliances-air-conditioning-units/

    Is there a war on appliances? Or is it a war on you?

    I’d tell you to keep your cool, but that’s going to be hard when Team Biden takes away your air conditioner.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Nobody needs a house 23 degrees cooler than outside.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Or warmer.

    2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      They are going to lose this war. And they're going to lose bad.

      1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

        For that to happen, government agents are going to have to forcibly enter people's homes and start yanking out dishwashers and HVAC. Because that is what it's going to take for enough "I don't cares" to care.

        “Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you. ”

        ― Pericles

        1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          You think they won't? They'll only have to raid a few homes and the rest of the people will pee their pants and comply.

          1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

            Take either of those from my wife and she will arm up.

            I agree there will be some who lie down and take it; but maybe I just have to believe a tipping point will occur, but it will have to be very intrusive and personal for that to happen.

    3. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      This might cause a little rift with all the Proggies who claimed that "air conditioning is a human right."

      Air Conditioning Should Be a Human Right in a Climate Crisis
      https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/air-conditioning-should-be-a-human-right-in-the-climate-crisis/

      Do they think that air conditioners run on hamster wheels and cans of unicorn farts?

      1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

        "Do they think that air conditioners run on hamster wheels and cans of unicorn farts?"

        Have you seen those people? Same ones who think meat just comes about in a cellophane package.

        1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

          "Peaches come from a can.
          They were put there by a man,
          In a factory down town."
          --The Presidents of The United States of America.
          https://youtu.be/3GCrzjVdmSg

    4. Minadin   2 years ago

      This is just more of the global greenies wanting everything to be more like Europe, everywhere, regardless of circumstances.

      When I lived in Denmark, the people there were shocked that almost every house in the US has air conditioning, because they typically don't. I had to remind them that:

      1) a warm summer day in Copenhagen might be in the mid-70's (24C) and they consider anything over about 80F (27C) to be HOT. That would be a very mild summer day in most of the US. In the middle of the country, where I'm from, it's the average high temperature in July is 90F (32C); in Copenhagen it's 72F (22C).

      2) our 'cold' continental state of Minnesota is at about the same latitude as Italy, and much of the continental US would fall in Northern Africa if you transposed North America over Europe on a map.

      So, yeah, they aren't taught how friggin' hot it is over here in the summers, just that we're so darned selfish and wasteful with energy.

      1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago (edited)

        But because of our landmass, winters here in the center of the countryare more typical of temperatures only experienced north of the artic circle in Scandinavia in most of Europe. Gotta be nice living in a continent continuously moderated by the Gulf stream.

        1. Minadin   2 years ago

          Your average December day in Copenhagen is about 5C, but they still have fireplaces and furnaces to keep 'hygge'. (Cozy/comfortable)

          My mom's house in Florida did not even have a furnace. But it had a heck of an AC unit.

          1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

            Out here on the prairie we think 5C in December is shorts and t-shirt weather.

            1. Minadin   2 years ago

              Here too! I played (outdoor) winter soccer all through High School.

      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        My Nephew lived in Seattle for a few years and was struck with how no one there had air conditioners. Again, the Eco-Wackos over there project their cooler climate on everyone else.

    5. Miss Ann Thrope   2 years ago

      Chilling... oh, wait

  35. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/ploughmansfolly/status/1640655176280227840?t=23IYo4_HWqZipaszI29k-g&s=19

    Herein is the left’s eternal political strategy in a nutshell, which is to tell normal people: if you don’t accept the radical, dysgenic changes we want to make to society, then we will deploy insane people to kill you and your children, or at least make your life a living hell.

    [Link]

    A sane society, such as the one into whose vestiges all of our grandparents were born, would have, to borrow a phrase, institutionalized all the troons. Without a second thought, for their good as well as that of the common people. We are mad, literally mad, not to do the same.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      At least in the early stages, progressives only gain what we willingly give up. Kinda clever of them to focus on deflecting any criticism as "racist", right?

      Also, repeal the 19th.

    2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Bolshevik playbook page 1

    3. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago (edited)

      Let them get to a tipping point, and we will see who gets slaughtered.

      Hint: it will not be the people who own guns. I do however have a concern or two about what our military is being groomed to do. Ten years ago I had no doubt the members of the armed forces, at least a majority of them, would not attack their own citizens. That may be changing, and it is not be accident.

      1. The Last American Hero   2 years ago

        10yrs ago you were naive. The military will follow orders. It’s what they do. It’s what they are trained to do. They had no problem running torture prisons in Cuba, engaging in extrajudicial assassinations on the disposition matrix, engaging in the Yemeni genocide, and will have zero problem turning their guns on Americans when ordered. Unit Corps God Country. Notice which one is last on the list.

      2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        The military will make sure they're on the winning side when the music stops. They will stick together and follow orders. "Patriots" with civilian weapons will wet themselves and run when confronted by real soldiers and marshals.

        Remember Kent State.

        1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

          Except all the times that didn't actually happen. The fact is most the military would be related closely to those who choose to rebel. We aren't trained automatons, and most would have a very hard time pulling the trigger on the brothers, uncles, fathers and cousins. Also, a decent portion of those patriots are also veterans.

        2. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

          I can easily believe some general officers will be looking at it that way. I do not believe our fathers, mothers, sons, or daughters who serve will be all that willing to turn on their families [though some surely will].

          Now give it another generation of all out indoctrination, and maybe they will be inclined to behave more like the Chinese Peoples Army.

  36. john021   2 years ago

    If anybody want a quality moving service in Norway then here is the best option for you: flyttebyrå

    1. Think It Through   2 years ago

      This is known as a niche-bot.

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        One that has very much lost its way.

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          Cite?

      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago (edited)

        it’s a niche that needs to be scratched, amirite?
        🙂

        Well, I have to give the bot credit. At least it’s not Angelina Jolie plugging her Biz-Op to get a new tattoo and adopt more foreign kids.
        😉

  37. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Power instead of teaching.

    https://wirepoints.org/power-at-ever-level-brags-chicago-teachers-union-as-200-members-skip-school-for-political-workshop-wirepoints-quickpoint/

    “We’re gonna have to teach the city of Chicago how to redefine transformation, how to redefine renaissance,” said Chicago Teachers Union President Davis Gates in her opening remarks, and the day naturally started with the CTU’s own organizer and Chicago mayoral candidate, Brandon Johnson, who got a standing ovation.

  38. Think It Through   2 years ago

    "The pollsters asked respondents to think about "the various ways that you define yourself as a person" and determine how important each characteristic was "to your own personal identity." Of the six traits asked about, gender was viewed as the most essential, with 48 percent of those surveyed saying it was vital to their identity. Religion came the closest to gender (34 percent), followed by a three-way tie between race, occupation, and family origin (21 percent). Political affiliation was viewed as essential to identity by just 11 percent."

    Now do what people think is important about others.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Skin color?

  39. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

    Something you won’t read on right-wing news because it contradicts their narrative:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/28/being-truthful-is-essential-scientist-who-stumbled-upon-wuhan-covid-data-speaks-out

    Their findings supported arguments made by some Chinese officials that the Wuhan market was merely a site where the virus spread among humans, rather than the cradle where it made its first fateful leap from animals to people. But when Débarre and her colleagues analysed the same data, they received another result. “It was the Latin name for raccoon dog, multiple times,” she says. “It was one of the greatest emotions of my life.”

    Raccoon dogs, omnivorous east Asian cousins of the fox, are highly susceptible to coronavirus infections and shed the virus in sufficient quantities to infect animals and humans around them. In other words: a suspect was confirmed to have been present at the scene.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Ha ha ha ha ha ha

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      As opposed to the CCP narrative?

    3. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

      “It was the Latin name for raccoon dog, multiple times,” she says. “It was one of the greatest emotions of my life.”

      The fact that she's talking about having some emotional reaction to this news is reason to be suspicious of her claims. And not just that she emotionally reacted, it was one of the greatest emotions she's apparently ever had.

      1. Rich   2 years ago

        Show a little sensitivity. Maybe she had been raped by a raccoon dog.

      2. MT-Man   2 years ago

        How was this test showing at the beginning bats until just recently it became raccoon dogs? I'd say that puts doubts in the reliability of the testing basically on par with the at home covid tests.

        1. MT-Man   2 years ago

          I'll add if this was just supplied by the Chinese it's about as believable and reliable as powdered shark teeth to cure cancer.

          1. The Last American Hero   2 years ago

            Shark teeth is bs but that rhino horn stuff is the real deal.

        2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          Where are you getting that the test showed bats at the beginning?

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            This has been stated here so many times woth the links to bat coronaviruses that youre just being intentionally retarded.

          2. The Last American Hero   2 years ago

            Pangolins are bats.

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              The linked article mentions bats once, and pangolins not at all.

              Where did MT-Man get the idea that the DNA samples ever pointed to bats?

    4. Rich   2 years ago

      Débarre says her team had reached out to the Chinese scientists who posted the genetic data online to ask their permission to analyse it, which she said was granted. A day later, they emailed again, to share their discovery that raccoon dog DNA was present in the sequences. The next day, the files had been made inaccessible, apparently at the request of the Chinese researchers

      "Raccoon dog look too much like W***** the P***!"

    5. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Something you won’t read on right-wing news because it contradicts their narrative

      As he quotes a radical left publication.

    6. JimboJr   2 years ago

      you are a meme, lmao

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

        Well, that was a substantial criticism.

        1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

          You and chemjeff insisted COVID came from bats. Now you're telling us they're from raccoon dogs this whole time? What a joke.

          It feels like you two and the media establishment are trying hard to find anything that detracts from possibility that COVID was a result of the Wuhan Lab leak.

  40. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1640719694612283394?t=3Vwy2FQ3vqKyVxeyRj0-kg&s=19

    Do western leaders have a long term strategy?

    Or the more scary thought is, they do have a long term strategy and this is it …

    [Political cartoon]

  41. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1640722979347726336?t=VKmqP_XjzVi03PTn46jeeA&s=19

    A top White House ally plans to paint Republicans’ focus on issues around race, gender and sexual identity as part of a GOP strategy to undermine public education as White House officials debate how forcefully to engage in the so-called culture wars.

    [Link]

  42. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

    How Christian is Christian Nationalism?

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/04/03/how-christian-is-christian-nationalism

    Near the end of Trump’s term, Whitehead and Perry published the results in a book called “Taking America Back for God,” in which they predicted a growing schism. “Christian nationalism gives divine sanction to ethnocentrism and nativism,” they wrote, noting that a number of respondents doubted that immigrants or non-English speakers could ever be “truly American.” Christian nationalism was, they argued, a divisive creed; its adherents were more likely than other groups to believe “that Muslims and Atheists hold morally inferior values.”

    worth reading in full

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      There is a series of YouTube videos where a woman who was homeschooled with Christian Nationalist curricula shares about what it was like.

      There’s one video that is especially striking, where she shows her “science” notebook from, like, seventh grade. There’s not one iota of science in it. Just stuff like coloring in a picture that says, “Thank you, Jesus, for creating rainbows.” I’ll see if I can find it again and post a link.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Now review some gender-fluid kid books.

      2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        “Thank you, Jesus, for creating rainbows.”

        Horrifying...

        1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

          In a notebook ostensibly devoted to science, yes, it is discombobulating that this girl is learning nothing about how the Natural Universe actually works.

          Any homeschool curriculum I would have would include Dorling Kindersley Ultimate Books, Mister Wizard, and Ada Twist, Scientist for the little ones, followed by Jacob Bronowski's The Ascent of Man and Carl Sagan's and Neil DeGrasse Tyson's Cosmos. when they get older.

          Desert legends and other boogums-in-the-closet stories would be treated as world fiction literature and stuff for telling with S'mores by the campfire.

          1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

            Oh you're so edgy Mr Atheist. So cool. Just like the Fonze (when he waterskiing in his leather jacket and jumped the shark, so cool).

          2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            "In a notebook ostensibly devoted to science, yes"

            You do know Mike made that example up, don't you?

            1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

              What's more annoying than a Jehova Witness knocking on your door? An atheist who has to decide what they don't understand and group all Christians by the outlier examples of the fringe of the religion. See Nelson and Recog for examples.

              1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

                I missed the punch line there.

            2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

              With all the examples of Woo I just got finished binging from Showtime's Penn & Teller: Bullshit, I've come to expect any kind of silliness from all directions.

              Ken Ham's Creationist museum, the absurdity of Ouija Boards and psychic crime investigators, the barbarity of circumcision, and moral panics over video games all come to mind as examples especially warping and harmful to children.

              1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

                If you believe in an omnipotent God, than none of those ideas seem as absurd as you think.

                The Democrats do not believe this, which makes concepts like trangenderism all the more absurd.

        2. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Odds the series is lying propaganda?

      3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

        Here it is. The part where she shows the notebook starts at about the 8-minute mark:

        https://youtu.be/ewalmJTZ7wU

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          This is what Mike's garbage video "cite" starts with:

          "Content Warning: ableism and racism, including chattel slavery.
          Clips from the U.S. Capitol Insurrection on 1/6/21 are shown from 01:05 - 01:23"

          I'm going to watch the whole thing, but I think it's important to note that Mike's video is obviously religious propaganda of another sort.

        2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Alright, I watched your fucking citation, you dishonest piece of shit.

          "she shows her “science” notebook from, like, seventh grade."

          There's no textbook or work sheets or tests or anything. Just a bunch of drawings the sociopathic attention whore drew herself.

          There's zero indication that any of this was taught in class, or that she even drew them for science class. And seeing as this is buried in a mass of delusional ranting about her mom and dad, I'm calling bullshit.

          1. Reason Magic 8 ball   2 years ago

            I just watched five minutes of that. The woman is completely insane. Like a QAnon stereotype but leftist, and with some serious Daddy issues.
            This is who Mike Laursen wants us to believe is a reliable source.

    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Christianity is universalist and utopian, so not at all.

      This article is of course part of a continuing dishonest and deliberate attempt by the establishment globalists to link American-type nationalism (and Canadian, Brazilian, Australian) which is about unity, a melting pot and inclusion, with Nazi nationalism, which was about race, and blood and exclusion.

      Two opposite ideas who only have the appellation "nationalism" in common.

      "Christian Nationalism" as used by Jeff and the article are invented establishment bogeyman similar to the use of QAnon, where a 4chan troll was adopted to give wine moms something to be frightened of.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Christianity is universalist and utopian, so not at all.

        And to the extent its even utopian, that utopia is divine in nature, not worldly--in fact, it's made quite clear, both by Jesus himself and by early Christians up to the fall of the Roman empire, that any attempts to establish a "heaven on earth" are going to be inherently corrupted, no matter what their stated intentions are, because Christ's kingdom is "not of this world."

      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        That New Jerusalem told of in Revelation 21 sounds like The Borg Cube to me, so yep, Universalist and Utopian.
        🙂

        4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

        Ah!...Aaah!...AAAH!...Assimilated!
        🙂

        16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

        17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

        18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.

        19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;

        20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.

        21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

        *Cough!*Borg Cube!*Cough!*
        🙂

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Yes, it's square so the first or second century writers must have been referencing a popular 1990's TV show.
          Amazing.

          1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

            No. More likely Gene Roddenberry referenced The New Jerusalem in Revelation as inspiration for the anti-Human Borg Collective.

            1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

              Doesn't make your take on the biblical passages any less absurd. Roddenberry didn't understand squat.

        2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          Transparent aluminum?

          1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

            Only if the siding salesman could put a successful sales pitch in their neural networking.
            😉

      3. Nelson   2 years ago

        "Christianity is universalist and utopian, so not at all."

        If you are capable of believing this, you are capable of believing anything.

        It is intensely exclusionary (unless you convert, of course).

        I agree that Q-Anon and Christian Nationalism are equally batshit crazy. They are, also, very real.

        We are not a Christian nation. Intentionally. Non-religious government was purposely put into the Constitution to protect us from religion.

        People came to the New World to flee religious persecution. Do you really think they would install a government that would allow it to be done to them again?

        A Christian (or any other religious) government would be a terrible thing for all Americans.

        1. Win09   2 years ago (edited)

          Actually, the Pilgrims really came to America because England wasn’t allowing them to impose their religious beliefs on everybody else. The Pilgrims were truly despicable people. And that’s the origins of why America is unfortunately the most religious country in the West to this very day.

          1. Nelson   2 years ago

            The Pilgrims weren't the only ones who fled here. Pennsylvania was basically a Quaker safe house.

            1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

              Maryland, Catholics, Appalachia Scots-Irish Methodists, Rhode Island, dissenting Puritans, the Dutch who settled New York were largely Calvinists. The Dutch Germans in Pennsylvania were mostly Lutherans.

              1. Minadin   2 years ago

                Lot of Lutherans in Indiana, Missouri, and Wisconsin / Minnesota too. Southern Missouri has a boatload of Baptists (of various varieties) and Pentecostals. Catholics are mostly in the urban areas.

                When I lived in Kansas you had a large Anglican/Episcopalian population, Methodists too (most of the Protestants moved there as part of the abolitionist movement) and then a fairly sizable Mennonite community.

                1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                  I'm Lutheran. Mainly because I believe I Justification through faith as opposed to Justification through deeds. Basically, any place with a large Scandinavian or German population probably has a lot of Lutherans.

                  1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                    That and I'm mainly of Norse, Danish and German decent. So along with getting a sunburn just by looking at the sun, I inherited Lutheranism. And an urge to raid the Saxons and Franks, but I try to keep that in check. But I also wouldn't mind performing the blood eagle on Macron and his cronies.

              2. Nelson   2 years ago

                Delaware is majority Catholic even to this day. Scandinavian Catholics (especially Swedes) were a large portion back when it started.

                1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

                  But sure, just blame it all on those pesky Pilgrims. And all those other pesky Christians whose legacy is felt to this day. Right, Win09?

          2. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

            What a load of shit. Puritans only really had sway over New England, and not even completely there. Maryland was settled by Catholics who were being persecuted by the Protestant English. Pennsylvania was settled by Quakers, another ostracized religious group. The south was largely settled by Anglicans, but most the Scots-Irish that settled the Backcountry/Appalachia, were methodists, which was officially illegal in Great Britain at the time. Maybe try reading an actual history book and not propaganda. You might actually learn something.

        2. Minadin   2 years ago

          While religious government (a theocracy) would be bad for individual freedom, it's important to point out that that's not what we're set up for.

          You can talk about the Pilgrims all you want, but the founding fathers created a secular government that was based on these principles of individual free will, separate from any one church or other religious denomination, and yet founded in principles regarding individual liberty that grew from Western Christian culture. It's unlikely that it would have been possible otherwise.

          Also, ML was not even advocating for such an arrangement. So, that's a nice straw man you burned down there. His point was that Christian Nationalism, in theory, is not in fact very compatible with the religion generally.

          Christianity is not particularly exclusionary - anyone can join regardless of race or gender or national origin or anything else. You do commit to abiding by the doctrine of the religion if you're a member - that is typically how religions work.

          1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

            It's so unfair, Christian's state only those who believe in Christ can be Christian. How excluding.
            John 3:16-17
            King James Version
            16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

            17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

            Oh my God how excluding, whoever believes in him.

          2. Nelson   2 years ago

            "and yet founded in principles regarding individual liberty that grew from Western Christian culture."

            Up until this point I was right with you. The principles the Constitution and our government were based on were almost exclusively Enlightenment ideals, which many Christians viewed as hostile to religion. A major concept of the enlightenment was the importance of a separation between government and religion, especially individual faiths.

            "You do commit to abiding by the doctrine of the religion if you’re a member – that is typically how religions work."

            Without getting into the 'cafeteria Christian' tbing that most Christians engage in, my point was Christianity isn't universalist. It doesn't assign equal grace and morality to non-Christians. Nor do they believe that all people should be subject to a universal culture or laws or ideology. They believe that everyone should be subject to *their* culture, kaws, and ideology. That's the opposite of universalist.

            Nor is it particularly utopian unless you accept the Bible in its entirety as universally good. Which no one actually does, unless someone wants to chime in as a defender of genocide (openly championed) and slavery (overtly accepted as acceptable).

            1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

              Read Minadin's reply below.

        3. Minadin   2 years ago

          "Non-religious government was purposely put into the Constitution to protect us from religion."

          No. It was put there (later in the Bill of Rights) to protect religion from government.

          1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

            And it doesn't actually state non-religious government, it bars the government from creating or enforcing a state religion but definitely doesn't state religion must be banned from government or religious express barred from any government function. Further, the often misquoted separation of church and state was actually lifted from one of Jefferson's letters, which ironically he was using that line to assure some ministers that the government couldn't ban religious expression.

            1. Minadin   2 years ago

              Precisely.

              People needed to be assured that they would be free to worship in whatever custom they desired - or not - because it was so rare in previous government arrangements.

          2. Nelson   2 years ago

            You say tomato, I say tomahto. Either way, religious government is a bad thing. Agreed?

            1. Minadin   2 years ago (edited)

              No.

              I say that the Constitution protects our religious beliefs and customs – or the lack thereof – from the government.

              You say the government protects us from religious beliefs. You might think that THAT is a distinction without a difference, but it is not.

              1. Nelson   2 years ago

                "I say that the Constitution protects our religious beliefs and customs – or the lack thereof – from the government."

                Yes, that is what the Free Exercise clause is all about.

                "You say the government protects us from religious beliefs."

                No, I say that the Constitution (specifically the Establishment clause) protects the people from religion. Or, specifically, religious ideals being legislated and forced on anyone who doesn't choose those ideals for themselves.

                The Free Exercise and Establishment clauses are two different aspects that are usually referred to as "religious freedom".

                The Establishment clause provides protections from religion and the Free Exercise clause provides protections for religious observation and choice. They covered both sides of religious freedom.

                Our history shows that people need to be protected from religion more than religion needs to be protected from people.

                Look at the Scopes Monkey Trial and see what lengths teachers have to go to in order to teach true stuff that religious fanatics don't like.

                As the first government ever established whose power and authority is derived from the people, not from God, the Founders were trying to make sure religion was protected as a personal freedom and prevented from being a basis of our government.

                The Enlightenment, which provided the guiding ideals that the Constitution was based on, was dedicated to the separation of church and state.

                Christian fundementalists have been trying to undo that since the Constitution was ratified. If they ever succeed, we're in trouble.

                1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

                  You misunderstood what the constitution actually says, as did those rulings. The constitution was made to protect religion from government. You are not for that, you (and those rulings you cited) want French laïcité, which is what you describe is "protection from religion". But that is not religious freedom.

                  The so-called "Christian Fundamentalists" simply want to practice their religion in any place and in any shape they like. If you want to do the same with your Marxist atheism, then do so. The government shouldn't stop either.

            2. Minadin   2 years ago

              Also, no one says tomahto.

              1. Nelson   2 years ago

                Depends on what side of the Atlantic Ocean you live on.

        4. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

          Can you point to the part of the New Testament that preaches exclusion? I've read and studied the New Testament fairly closely. Pretty sure Christ preached to everyone. Which is one of the things the Pharisees actually complained about. That Christ taught that anyone who believes in him can be saved, even gasp, gentiles. Also, while the US wasn't founded as a strictly Christian Nation, it's founding documents do refer to God or the creator multiple times. So, it wasn't founded as a Christian Nation but it definitely wasn't founded to exclude Christianity in the public sphere. Also, the phrase separation of church and state doesn't appear in any of the founding documents. Nor does the 1A actually forbid expression of religion by government officials, but merely states that the government can't designate an official religion. The writers of the Constitution would be extremely surprised at how we have forced religion and religious expression out of anything government related. That's a strictly late 20th century interpretation of the establishment clause.

          1. Minadin   2 years ago

            The very early church was a bit Jewish-oriented, and it was one of the debates on theory between Paul and Peter.

            After the first century AD, not so much, though.

            That's all I can think of. Oh, they tried to be communists for a few years (but then again so did the Pilgrims) until it turns out that fails every time, even if your intentions are godly.

            1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

              Paul spent a lot of time in his letters discussing living by the law (Mosaic Law) and living through faith. We still have this debate in Christianity. Luther believed and taught Justification through Faith, the Catholic Church at the time taught Justification through deeds, Calvin also taught a form of Justification through Deeds. Many Evangelical Christians think Lutherans are lazy, because we believe that faith alone is how we are saved. Sort of. Really, we believe that you can't be saved by your actions alone, but only through the grace of God, and as such, faith is what saves us, not our deeds. It should be noted that Luther's speciality as a professor was in Paul's Letters.

              1. Minadin   2 years ago

                You can demonstrate your faith through your deeds, but you are not saved by them. That is by god's grace only. And actually, that's the best way to show it, because it's beneficial to the people around you without virtue signaling like some sort of modern day Pharisee.

                I grew up Lutheran. Agnostic now, but there's a lot of wisdom in that philosophy. Maybe I'll come back some day.

                I think a lot of other Christians think that Lutherans are lazy because we had beer kegs at our church picnics. Baptists hardest hit. Also, don't Methodists believe in predetermination - nothing you can do? I might be confusing them with someone else.

                1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                  Predetermination is a tricky one. Yes Methodists (and Puritans) did believe in predetermination. I think it's fallen out of favor largely, or been softened quite a bit.

                  And as for your explanation, you're right. You should try and live the Godliest life possible, but, in the end we all fall short of the grace of God, ergo, it is from God's grace we are redeemed. Paul wrote (I'm paraphrasing here, because I'm a bit to lazy to Google the exact phrasing): if you live by the law then keep the law, but if you do not live by the law, then do not keep the law, for salvation is not through the law but through Christ.

                  Paul gets a bad rap in modern times, largely because people have taken his words out of context to suit their own needs. But generally, his letters stressed that it wasn't the deeds that made you a Christian, and for God's sake stop using the laws to bash each other (basically that is all Romans and Galicians is, is one long letter scolding them for fighting amongst themselves as to who was most Godly).

                  1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

                    Just wanna let you know I really appreciate your discussion of your beliefs. It's much different that what the media and people like Nelson portray you as.

  43. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis just signed a bill expanding a school voucher program to all Florida students.,

    he just keeps winning and winning.

    1. Cronut   2 years ago

      Yes, but according to Reason, he accidentally lost because he screwed up and gave parents control, when all he really wants is to pick on gays.

    2. Nelson   2 years ago

      Fundamentalist schools that teach the universe is 5000 years old, God created everything in seven days, evolution isn't real, the man is the head of the house and women are subordinate to them, etc. greatly appreciate the opportunity to get paid by the state to give children a completely inadequate and factually deficient education.

      1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

        How many of those are there really. Even the vast majority of Christians don't believe that. Nor is it historically a Christian doctrine until recently and even then, only prescribed to by a small portion of denominations. Sorry, but most Christians accept evolution, and don't believe Genesis is literal, but allegorical.

        1. Nelson   2 years ago

          "How many of those are there really."

          Too many.

          "Nor is it historically a Christian doctrine"

          Sure. It's only in that tangential Christian document called *checks notes* the Bible.

          "Even the vast majority of Christians don’t believe that."

          Of course not. Almost no Christians believe all of the things in the Bible. Which says something.

          "Sorry, but most Christians accept evolution,"

          You may be right. I'm 52 and it was when I was in high school and college that the shift from creationism to "intelligent design", which is just creationism in pseudo-scientific clothes, was taking place.

          Saying "we haven't thought that for almost 30 years" about such an obviously absurd idea doesn't inspire confidence in the ability of fundementalist schools to provide an adequate education.

          "and don’t believe Genesis is literal, but allegorical"

          Doesn't that undermine the idea that the Bible is the divine word of God? Although it would make picking and choosing which parts you want to accept a lot easier.

          1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

            You don't really understand us Christians, do you?

            We believe that the Bible holds inspiration from God, the debate is which part represents what, what actually happened, and which interpretation of certain passages are correct.

            Believing a portion is allegorical does not diminish the value of the Bible for the Christians who hold to that belief. Neither does something like accepting New Testament principles replacing Old Testament ones make the latter worthless.

            Stop trying to project unto us what you think we believe.

            1. Nelson   2 years ago

              Stop trying to force your superstitions on the rest of us and everything will be fine. Religion is behavior that is chosen by each person and should never be forced on them by legislation.

      2. Minadin   2 years ago

        Even the people who tried counting up all the ages of everyone in Genesis come up with about 6.5k years. And yeah, that's obviously incorrect, if you know anything. About either the universe, science, how people ascribed honor to their own ancestors in ancient culture, or any of the above.

        How are you that consistently wrong?

        1. Nelson   2 years ago

          "Even the people who tried counting up all the ages of everyone in Genesis come up with about 6.5k years."

          Well, I wasn't trying to be exact and, since it would also require me to believe the idiocy that people back then lived for hundreds of years, the difference between a 5000 year old universe and a 6500 year old universe is kinda irrelevent, isn't it?

          "that’s obviously incorrect"

          Ya think?

          "How are you that consistently wrong?"

          You misspelled awesome.

          1. Minadin   2 years ago

            "how people ascribed honor to their own ancestors in ancient culture""

            1. Nelson   2 years ago

              And? How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? It's equally relevant.

              1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

                It's your insistence that we believe some form of Christianity based on your deliberately ridiculous interpretation of select passages. You haven't taken anything away from Minadin's posts. But even then, a belief in an omnipotent God makes all things possible. It's not as absurd as thinking secular societies have the divine capacity to successfully adopt socialism.

                You really don't understand us Christians. Repent of your blatant anti-Christianity.

                1. Nelson   2 years ago

                  I am not anti-Christian. I'm against religion in legislation. I'm a big fan of the Enlightenment and its belief in the dangers of religious government. I'm believe in a hard separation of religion and government.

  44. Naime Bond   2 years ago

    '... for providing food or shelter and aid...I think you should stay....'
    What's wrong with these idiots? Like every other law, these 'world of cases' will come down to intent...providing aid without intent won't break any laws. And what does speech have to do with giving someone food or shelter or aid? This is shaping up to be another train wreck of a decision.

  45. Rich   2 years ago

    the vast majority still said that things like hard work, patriotism, and tolerance were at least somewhat important.

    "Things like"? Does that list include, oh, "faith, hope, and charity"? Or, say, "lovingkindness and mindfulness"? What about "diversity, equity, and inclusion"?

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

      There is tolerance, and then there is "tolerance." One is live and let live, and the other not so much.

      1. MasterThief   2 years ago

        Such vague questions don't really answer any questions. Maybe if the pollsters were more specific it might have value or if ENB bothered to look deeper into the data. There has been such a huge schism in how words are defined and understood that there is no conversation or common understanding without clarifying. Tolerance to normies means something very different from how the left means it and how the right understands the left means it.

      2. Nelson   2 years ago

        "There is tolerance, and then there is “tolerance.”"

        Cultural conservatives think they are the first one, but every time they encounter people doing things they don't like they are shown to be the second.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          Who knew universities were so culturally conservative.

          1. Nelson   2 years ago

            Not cultural conservatives, that's for sure.

            1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

              And yet you're defending such universities. Disgusting.

  46. Rich   2 years ago

    Police said she identified as transgender, and online profiles show Audrey used 'he/him' pronouns.

    I'll bite. What gender is listed on Audrey's birth certificate?

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      There was some confusion in initial reporting. Anyway, Audrey was born with sex (not gender, whatever gender means) as female on her/his/their birth certificate.

      That is unusual for a mass shooter, who always seem to be biological males.

      1. Moonrocks   2 years ago

        Okay, so traded the taco for the hot dog.

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

          So far, from initial reporting, sounds like he/she/they hadn’t done anything more than dressing differently and using a different name.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            So a mentally unstable female. Got it.

            1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

              That doesn’t exactly narrow things down

      2. Rich   2 years ago

        "See?! I *am* a male!!"

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          I am curious whether Audrey/Aiden had unusually high testosterone levels for a biological female or was taking testosterone supplements.

          1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

            Safe and effective!

          2. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

            It’s not like females go insane every month or something.

      3. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

        Not absolutely always, but the vast majority.

        1. rbike   2 years ago

          I Don't Like Mondays.

          1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago (edited)

            Art imitating life imitating art. Sadly.

      4. JesseAz   2 years ago

        I like how Mike has fully accepted the vagueness of the gender construct. Totes not a woke leftist.

      5. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        That is unusual for a mass shooter, who always seem to be biological males.

        One of the first I was familiar with was Laurie Dann.
        https://abc7chicago.com/laurie-dann-hubbard-woods-school-winetka-nicholas-corwin/3483715/

        She tried to poison several people, set a firebomb in one school (that fortunately fizzled), shot up a classroom at another school (killing one), and had a standoff at a house. This was back in 1988.

      6. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

        Until very recently, sex and gender didn't mean different things. If you look at older birth certificates, they didn't use the word sex but the word gender. This is also the case in science textbooks, and scientific writing. It's only recently, as people have pushed the gender as identity and a social construct, that suddenly gender is not defined as sex. So, if you don't understand what gender is, it's because a few activists have attempted to redefine a word whose meaning has been well understood. In fact if you look up the literal definition (not the Wikipedia explanation) it doesn't differentiate. As for the idea the two are different, this wasn't proposed until 1945 that this definition was first printed. It was in the 1970s that radical feminists first started trying to make this mainstream (largely to overcome female stereotypes, which transgender females tend to perpetuate) and wasn't until 2011 the FDA changed the definition in it's literature. Gender is from the old French word gender which first appears in writing during the 12th century.

        1. MasterThief   2 years ago

          I was willing to go along with saying gender and sex were separate. If their argument was that sex is male/female and gender is masculine/feminine then that would have been fine. Of course that was immediately abandoned and people's subjective identity was claimed to be their biological reality that isn't limited by the binary.
          This used to be called political correctness. It is the active attempt to change language to control all communication in a way that only allows their ideology to be shared. It was bad in years past, but recently the speed at which activists blatantly change words has been absolutely insane.

    2. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      Wait, did xe get the hot dog or the banana split?

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        So far, looks like neither. Just wearing a shirt and a tie and calling herself "Aiden" instead of "Audrey".

        1. Nelson   2 years ago

          C'mon now. The cultural conservatives here have assured me that trangender conversion means surgery and only surgery. Don't you know that kids are being mutilated every day?

          1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

            Look at this idiot, he thinks hormonal drugs in high doses, to prevent natural puberty don't create long term physical changes, some visible others not. And he's the one above lecturing on how conservatives aren't tolerant, yet he has bashed conservatives and Christians in everyone of his posts. Pot and kettle, methinks.

            1. Nelson   2 years ago

              "Look at this idiot, he thinks hormonal drugs in high doses, to prevent natural puberty don’t create long term physical changes"

              Puberty blockers literally pause puberty. If a child chooses to stop taking them, puberty resumes as normal.

              https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/in-depth/pubertal-blockers/art-20459075

              "If an adolescent child decides to stop taking GnRH analogues, puberty will resume and the normal progression of the physical and emotional changes of puberty will continue."

              Your beliefs about the catastrophic impact of hormonal therapy are as hysterical and inaccurate as most cultural conservative arguments.

              But hey, what does the Mayo Clinic know about medical care and treatments? Or the Cleveland Clinic ("It stops the process for as long as a child is using the medication. Once usage stops, puberty will resume"). Or St. Louis Children's Hospital (Are Puberty Blockers Permanent?
              No, puberty blockers are temporary:). Or... well, you get the point. People who actively work in the field, study the relevant science, work with patients, and monitor outcomes probably know something about their field.

              I'm sure your experience as a medic makes you much more informed than them, though.

              "And he’s the one above lecturing on how conservatives aren’t tolerant, yet he has bashed conservatives"

              I "bash" cultural conservatives (aka push back against ignorant propaganda) because you constantly model intolerance, ignorance, sophistry, and outright dishonest framing of most culture war issues and want to legislate those things to stop culture and society from changing.

              I oppose legislating any restrictions on the culture war issues that cultural conservatives love so much. If you can convince people you're right, great. If you can't, don't be a sore loser and try to coerce people.

              I oppose banning cultural conservative books and subjects from schools. Can you say the same?

              I oppose using the force of government to punish political enemies. I don't know if you cheered DeSantis against Disney. If you support legislating 1 out of 1844 special tax districts out of existence (and don't take on the debt that paid for the infrastructure you just took in, you know, a government taking), you're picking a side in the liberty vs. authoritarian battle. And you're not choosing the side that opposes government force.

              1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

                And here's a study that opposes your narrative:
                https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/science-vs-cited-seven-studies-to

                These puberty blockers and hormones are harmful for youth, and objectively do not change them from male to female and vice versa. There are plenty of stories that suggest this. Yet here you are, being totally okay with promoting child sexuality with these drugs. You actually believe that! For shame.

                "Once people stop believing in God, the problem is not that they will believe in nothing; rather, the problem is that they will believe anything." - C.S. Lewis

                1. Nelson   2 years ago

                  "These puberty blockers and hormones are harmful for youth"

                  Not true.

                  "do not change them from male to female and vice versa"

                  Agreed.

                  "Yet here you are, being totally okay with promoting child sexuality"

                  First, puberty blockers don't promote child sexuality. How you could believe something that illogical would be baffling, but since it's you it is just par for the course.

                  Second, I don't promote trans care, period. I don't have an opinion about whether it's good or bad. I think if I had a kid who was trans I would be very wary and conservative about how and when they transitioned.

                  I do, however, think that parents and doctors, not random, angry strangers, should be the ones making the decisions. You can decide for your own kid. Every other parent gets to do the same.

                  Especially considering the false scientific claims, misattribution of abuse, and straight-up lies that cultural conservatives proclaim, there doesn't seem to be any objective evidence that it is damaging to the person transitioning.

                  Yes, I know that false claims, misattribution of motives, and knowing falsehoods are the go-to methods of cultural conservatives. But this involves not just medical decisions, but parental rights. It would take a massive demonstration of harm to justify breaching either of those, never mind both.

    3. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

      But they keep reporting her as a transgender woman which made me think it was a male identifying as female. And the reporting was constantly, "She went by the name Audrey," as if implying that wasn't her birth name.

      I mean, I suppose it's a very irrelevant point in that it's not like it means anything about women or men in the grander scheme. They're just confusing the hell out of people wondering who this person was.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        The person was nuts. Gender doesn’t matter.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          If "gender is just a social construct," these mental cases wouldn't be getting their sexual organs removed and reconstructed.

          1. JimboJr   2 years ago

            gender is a social construct and nothing more...

            so this is why your boy who likes a few girly things when he's 5 should have his entire life ruined and body mutilated to match with this identity that is nothing more than a made up construct

            #makesperfectsense

      2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        Reporters were confused at first (but they wrote stories, anyway!).

        1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

          No, they wanted to spin a narrative and point fingers at their political enemies. It's disgusting.

      3. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

        They’re just confusing the hell out of people wondering who this person was.

        Coincidence or happy accident?

      4. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

        The police spokesman (er person) answering reporters questions yesterday seemed a little confused himself.

        1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

          Well that's understandable from his perspective. His officers saw what was clearly a female with feminine features and female body parts. They shot her and killed her and didn't know or care what she identified as. And really, once she's dead, all that's left is a female body so why does it matter what she thought of herself as?

    4. mad.casual   2 years ago

      I hope the coroner's report says "thoracic poly-vaginal trans male". For Science!

  47. Sevo   2 years ago

    Not sure how letting Newsom plan the 5th largest economy in the world caused empty containers to be where they weren't supposed to be, but it did. Now lets see what sort of a mess he'll cause this time:

    "California Lawmakers Pass Bill to Limit Oil Company Profits"
    [...]
    "California will limit the amount of profit oil companies can earn in the state under legislation pushed by Governor Gavin Newsom to control soaring gasoline prices..."
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-27/california-lawmakers-pass-bill-to-limit-oil-company-profits?leadSource=uverify%20wall

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Venezuela was a cautionary tale, not a how-to, Gavin.

      1. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

        But people love Chavez.

    2. Kungpowderfinger   2 years ago

      CA legislature to attempt to lower gas prices that they legislated to be high.

      Mind you, the CA voter passed on the chance to limit gas price increases.

      https://abc7news.com/amp/election-results-california-prop-6-passes/4633469/

      Boy Gav and the Democrats that own the state think they can deflect Californian’s anger at high gas prices to “Big Oil”, and of course they’re correct.

  48. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

    I am bit perplexed that religion is seen as important. We hear today that the largest number of people identify as "nones" who have no religious affiliations. Or that church attendance has dropped since the pandemic. I think it would be very interesting to see the data on people's feeling towards religion examined in greater details.

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      "I am bit perplexed that religion is seen as important."

      Lol, no you're not.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        I think it’s possible he’s perplexed by everything.

        1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

          Wants so very much to believe; not so much in God as in the system and particularly in government. And wants us to as well. It is called gaslighting.

          1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

            Wants so very much to believe; not so much in God as in the system and particularly in government.

            How people like this actually pray.

      2. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

        So, what is the evidence that people see religion as important? None of the last four wedding I attended were in a church, many of the obituaries I read have no mention of a funeral, rather a celebration of life is held at a bar or park. Baptism rates are dropping. The rate of "nones" is now about 30% and that is not because of an increase in atheist or agnostics, but rather people who have no religious attachment.

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          "So, what is the evidence that people see religion as important? None of the last four wedding I attended were in a church, many of the obituaries I read have no mention of a funeral, rather a celebration of life is held at a bar or park."

          Because you live in a bright blue bubble.
          That's why you think that you're a moderate even though you most definitely aren't. You're only in the middle of your social network.

          1. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

            They are the moderate antifa terrorist if any peer group is to be found.

          2. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

            You still haven't given any argument against my point that people's action doesn't seem aligned with seeing religion as important. Why not defend religion rather than addressing my point of view.

            1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

              Let me add that I was raised an Irish American Catholic and that is the benchmark I use for people who consider their religion important. I think people are well short of that today.

            2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              Okay, I'll try to make it clear.

              You live in a blue state, in a blue job surrounded by blue friends, reading blue newspapers and consuming blue media. Religion hasn't disappeared, you're just isolated from it. It doesn't enter your ken. You're like a guy in a basement wondering where the clouds went.

              And even when you do occasionally interact with religious people you don't realize it, because they're not horrific stereotypes like in the media you consume, and they're very well aware of your social class's antipathy and casual hate towards them.

              1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

                Nest up: "Let's all be reasonable and "moderate" and just get along [and see things my way], mkay?"

  49. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Breaking: The Antifa group organizing the "Trans Day of Vengeance" outside the Supreme Court has locked down its Twitter account following the deadly mass shooting on a Christian school in Nashville by a #trans shooter.

    I suppose that's enough vengeance for one day.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      LOL, it's rather poor timing that these pooners and troons were organizing an event of political violence right before one of their own decided to shoot up a Christian school. I'm sure the FBI agents who are part of these groups weren't going to be inciting anything at all!

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        "I’m sure the FBI agents who are part of these groups weren’t going to be inciting anything at all!"

        True story.

        The Colorado Springs shooter identified as non binary.
        The Denver shooter identified as trans.
        The Aberdeen shooter identified as trans.
        The Nashville shooter identified as trans.
        One thing is VERY clear: the modern trans movement is radicalizing activists into terrorists.

        Or the FBI.

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          The FBI will investigate moms who speak up at school board meetings… but not them:

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            The FBI seems to have figured out how to re-coordinate their crisis actors after one of them got clapped at 50 yards by that kid in the Indiana mall.

      2. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

        Remember if a Democratic senator is shot, it's Sarah Palin's and other Republicans' fault for using a widely used graphic. If Steve Scalise is shot by a leftist, it's because Scalise is widely seen as racist. If people riot on the day of Trump's inauguration, it's because they're standing up for liberty. If conservatives do it on the day they certify the 2020 elections it's an insurrection. If trans rights groups have been screaming genocide and comparing people who question their ideology to fascists, call for a day of vengeance, and blaming it on Christians and a trans person shoots up a Christian school, it's the rights fault for not caving to the demands of the left. At no point is it ever the sainted lefts fault or their rhetoric, it's always those evil right wingers.

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Something violated the TOS there, tweet not showing.

  50. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    ‘What A Coincidence’: Massive Donations Come To Light After AOC Defends TikTok From Possible Ban

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      It's honestly rather comforting to see AOC make the transition to full-time political whore like the rest of her colleagues.

      1. Think It Through   2 years ago

        Link?

        Oh, POLITICAL. Darn.

  51. hoppy025   2 years ago

    What's the breakdown by race?

  52. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Pope Joe's Children's Crusade.

    A million Gretas. Biden pledges taxpayer cash to support young climate activists abroad

    President Joe Biden's U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) released its 2022-2030 climate strategy, which outlines a $150 billion "whole-of-Agency approach" to building an "equitable world with net-zero greenhouse gas emissions." Included in that effort is a pledge to support "behavior change and communications campaigns" that "encourage youth's active participation" in the climate movement. Young people, the agency says, "have emerged in recent years as key actors … in demanding government action to tackle the climate crisis," prompting USAID to increase its funding for "youth-led organizations" working to fight climate change in at least 40 partner countries.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Once again, just as a quick reminder, USAID is the CIA. All those "community vaccination programs" that took place during GWOT were basically intel-gathering missions, for instance.

    2. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

      Know who else capitalized on children to promote his view of government, and to make sure they would turn out to be good little followers and rat on their families for not being pure enough?

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        Jesus?

        1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

          Wrong; next contestant, "Who founded the Hitler jugend?"

          1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

            Ernst Röhm?

      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        Every tyrant with Gummint Skoolz ever?

    3. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

      Young people, the agency says, “have emerged in recent years as key actors … in demanding government action to tackle the climate crisis,”

      Translation: "Sending an autistic teenager on a trans-Atlantic boat trip to hector the UN worked so well last time, let's do more of that!"

    4. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      How will this affect food trucks... I mean aside from grease trap regulations?

  53. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    The IRS Makes a Strange House Call on Matt Taibbi

    An agent shows up at the home of the Twitter files journalist who testified before Congress.

    Seriously, this is so shitty and horrifying and fascist.

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Michael Shellenberger @ShellenbergerMD
      While ⁦@mtaibbi & I were testifying before Congress on the weaponization of the federal government, an IRS agent showed up at his house. What an amazing coincidence

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        We're a banana republic now.

    2. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

      Seriously, this is so shitty and horrifying and fascist.

      The fact that they're not even bothering to hide their blatant corruption, fascistic impulses, and weaponization of the bureaucracy is possibly the most horrifying aspect of this shit. It means they must believe that they'll never be held accountable, and there's nothing anyone can do about it to stop them. Sadly, they're probably right since most people don't even seem to care. Even a lot people who claim to be "libertarian" seem to care more about the possibility of a shitty app being banned than the government blatantly seeking to intimidate journalists for the "crime" of exposing government malfeasance.

      1. Sevo   2 years ago

        "The fact that they’re not even bothering to hide their blatant corruption, fascistic impulses, and weaponization of the bureaucracy is possibly the most horrifying aspect of this shit. It means they must believe that they’ll never be held accountable, and there’s nothing anyone can do about it to stop them..."

        If this isn't a coup, it'll suffice until something more convincing comes along.

    3. JimboJr   2 years ago

      Allowing parents to know whats in a schools curriculum...

      Dems: "FASCISM!!!!"

      Having the IRS show up to fuck with an indy journo as he is actively telling the world how the US gov previously fucked with private citizens...

      Dems: *coordinated, polite golf clap*

      1. Cronut   2 years ago

        Um, "so-called" journalist.

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

          Enough about Don Lemon.

        2. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

          Wearing a "tin foil hat."

  54. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

    Only 58 percent of those surveyed said tolerance for others is a very important value, down from 80 percent who said as much four years ago.

    ... just 38 percent of respondents said patriotism was very important to them and just 39 percent said the same about religion, down from 70 percent and 62 percent in 1998, when the question was first asked.

    ...

    A look at the polling data reveals that 94 percent still say hard work is very or somewhat important, for instance. Some 67 percent say it's very important and only 3 percent say it's not important at all.

    The percentage who say tolerance for others is very important did indeed shrink—but 90 percent still say it's a very or somewhat important value.

    Some 70 percent of those surveyed still say marriage is very or somewhat important; 65 percent say having children is very or somewhat important; 80 percent say community involvement is very or somewhat important; and 60 percent still say religion is very or somewhat important.

    Americans are still plenty patriotic as well, according to this poll. In all, 73 percent say patriotism is very or somewhat important.

    You can massage and parse the data however you want but the fact that a lot of people no longer view things like hard work and tolerance for others as "very important" but only "somewhat important" is still not exactly good news.

    I suppose the best thing one can say is that it's impressive how ineffective the progressive's drive to subvert the culture and destroy values like hard work, tolerance, patriotism, etc. over the last who knows how many decades has actually been. For all the time and money they've poured into their propaganda efforts you'd think they would have been able to make a larger impact than that. Just give it time though, another couple of decades and they'll have what they want: a nation of demoralized nihilists.

    1. Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland   2 years ago

      The diminution of organized superstition's influence in America is, however, a strong signal of continuing progress and improvement.

      Choose reason. Every time. Be an adult.

      Or, at least, try.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Thanks for demonstrating once again why your side is so ridden with mental illness, you slack-jawed, slope-foreheaded hicklib.

        1. Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland   2 years ago

          Observing that fairy tales are not true, rather than believing in superstitious nonsense, is the sign of mental illness in your judgment?

          No wonder you jackasses are uncompetitive in the culture war.

          Your betters thank you for you ineptitude and your continuing compliance with their preferences.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            No wonder you jackasses are uncompetitive in the culture war.

            Ask Huber and Rosenbaum about that, hicklib.

      2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        "Choose reason. Every time. Be an adult."

        "93 genders, global warming causes earthquakes, GMO is evil, but an mRNA injection is Science!"

        1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

          “Once people stop believing in God, the problem is not that they will believe in nothing; rather, the problem is that they will believe anything.” – C.S. Lewis

      3. Sevo   2 years ago (edited)

        Asshole bigot, let me offer a suggestion: Choose reason. Every time. Perhaps you might grow up.
        Or, fuck off and die.

      4. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        We replaced *checks notes* organized religion with Scientism.

    2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago (edited)

      I say if “hard work” gets you more taxation and more hard work…

      And if “patriotism” means blind support for and fighting and dying in no-win cesspool wars where we end up aiding both friends and enemies alike…

      And if “tolerance” is just a coercive social engineering scheme that senselessly pits people who would otherwise get along as neighbors and friends against each other…

      And if “marriage” gets you a Pinto or Corsair relationship with a 50/50 or more chance of blowing up on the roadway and destroying anything of value you have…

      And if “having children” gets you an 18+-year $450,000+ debt with no guaranteed good result…

      And if “religion” means a Christian or Jewish or Muslim or Hindu school–which definitely has prayer in it–gets shot up with people murdered inside and no God is to be found anywhere…

      Then maybe IQs are rising and people are finally waking up to the mess the world can be and is! Maybe, then, we can move on to do something to make life better!

      This survey is a long overdue Howard Beale Moment! Long may his words echo in the streets until this Hellscape gets set right!

      Howard Beale–I am mad as Hell (Peter Finch)
      https://youtu.be/eEsR8GmRfJk

      1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

        Thanks for telling us that you're just like those deranged liberals that you claim to be against. Repent!

  55. JimboJr   2 years ago

    ctrl+f 'shooting' - 0/0

    ctrl+f 'transgender' - 0/0

    Weird. CNN was oddly quiet about it this AM too. Had a screen in front of me for an hour this morning at the gym, not a single mention even of the shooting/shooter.

    I guess they have finally taken the rights advice and decided to let the victims grieve, and not politicize the shooting? Very adult of them. Surely there is no other motivation at play here...

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/28/us/covenant-school-shooting-nashville-tennessee-tuesday/index.html

      1. JimboJr   2 years ago

        "Had a screen in front of me for an hour this morning at the gym, not a single mention even of the shooting/shooter."

        Talking about the live programing, this morning.

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

          I have to admit I forgot that CNN is a cable channel. I never watch cable TV nor do I ever watch any kind of televised news. However, there are lots of CNN news report videos out there. Want me to link to them?

          1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

            I have to admit I forgot that CNN is a cable channel.

            OMG

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              Lol, it's like being lied to by a three-year-old.

    2. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

      I guess they have finally taken the rights advice and decided to let the victims grieve, and not politicize the shooting? Very adult of them. Surely there is no other motivation at play here…

      Probably just trying to figure out what the best way to spin it to absolve the shooter of responsibility is. Specifically, whether or not to just come right and say that the shooting victims got what they deserved because they were christian "transphobe" bigots. In fact, I figure it won't be long until one of the harpies on The View - probably either Whoopie or Joy Behar - says it out right (or at least strongly implies it).

    3. Cronut   2 years ago

      They had to verify the gender and preferred pronouns of the shooter, in order to be respectful and not deadname or misgender the fucking psychopath who shot three 9 year olds.

    4. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

      "Don't say Gay" is a thing on the left too.

  56. JimboJr   2 years ago

    I wonder if a straight, christian, white, cisgender male shot up a majority black school, killing mostly black students, if the media would be quite this silent.

    The vast majority of info available on the shooting/shooter were all from randos on the internet. Which is funny, because the same happened with the Rittenhouse trial and initial event. All the 'correct' information was from independent journos or randos with youtube channels, and those that followed what the MSM actually published were grossly misinformed about it. Even the activist TYT had to retract what they said because of how bad the media gaslit them on it.

    Guess it really doesn't take credentials to do actual journalism, and those with credentials are no more useful than actors reading a teleprompter written by big pharma and the DNC.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      What makes you say the media is being silent on this shooting? It’s all over my news feed.

      1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

        Let see I heard it on, the morning news, my local newspaper, various Sirius programs, and a number of blogs sites. I don't want to mischaracterize Fox as I typically only watch them for about 45 minutes a day while on the gym treadmill, but they had the least coverage. What makes someone think it is not being cover.

        1. Truthfulness   2 years ago (edited)

          And what you two fail to realize is that when the media was “silent”, it’s all the omitted details in regards to the shooting. JimboJr was criticizing them for the twisted take on the event and the downplaying that’s happened in certain areas. They would have reacted far, far differently had a white Christian man been the perpetrator on black victims.

          You two seem incapable of understanding this.

    2. Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland   2 years ago

      Disaffected, grievance-consumed, ignorant, antisocial right-wingers are among my favorite culture war casualties.

      These half-educated, superstition-addled, slack-jawed misfits can't be replaced fast enough.

      Carry on, clingers. So far as your betters permit, though, and not a step beyond.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        At least until you get 41%ed by cop, right hicklib?

        1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

          Just curious, what does "41%ed" mean? I've seen this a couple of times recently and from context I assume it means killed by a cop, but when I tried to search for the definition I got a bunch of search results that had something to do with erectile dysfunction, which makes me wonder if you're suggesting that the Rev should go get stroked off by a cop.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            41% is the suicide rate of trannies.

            1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

              Ahh... Wait, does that mean Rev's a tranny? That would explain a lot.

              1. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

                Yes, you should address him as the Rev. B. Arthur now. Her/His gender was vague too.

              2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                The Rev. is trans-libertarian. Claims he's libertarian, but is really just a progtard in disguise.

                1. Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland   2 years ago

                  I thank the Nashville police officers who saved lives by killing that gun nut yesterday, because one fewer gun nut is always an important element of American progress.

                  Some of society's losers get replaced in the natural course, by just dying off and taking their stale, ugly right-wing thinking to the grave. Others, like Ashlii Babbiit, Lavoy Finicum, and this Nashville asshole, get replaced in other, quicker ways.

                  Either way is fine by me. What's important is that these antisocial liabilities get replaced, one way or another.

                  1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                    The Nashville pooner was on your team, you slack-jawed, slope-foreheaded hicklib.

      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        Uh, too soon to talk about "casualties"... Like EVER!

        Is it a requirement of you effete elites to be total willful Autists!

        If you can so flippantly speak of "casualties" after a mass murder, maybe you need to knot your flourishing cape into a rope!

        Fuck Off, Klinger!

      3. Super Scary   2 years ago

        You should ask your social worker for a thesaurus. You repeat the same stuff all the time.

        1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

          Art is a one note wonder. Probably just trolling.

          1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

            Art isn't smart enough to be original. He just parrots what others he's read have said, that he finds clever.

          2. Truthfulness   2 years ago

            That is the guy that applauded the Branch Davidians incident as justified. Take that as you will.

      4. Sevo   2 years ago

        Asshole bigot, let me offer a suggestion: Choose reason. Every time. Perhaps you might grow up.
        Or, fuck off and die.

  57. Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland   2 years ago

    Religion continues to fade in modern America.

    Clingers hardest hit. But only until replacement occurs.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      I take it you looked in a mirror there, Artie, 'cause the only idiot getting replaced is you.

    2. Sevo   2 years ago

      Ah, the hell with it.
      Fuck off and die, asshole bigot.

    3. Think It Through   2 years ago

      Disgusting to still be using the term "clingers" to apply to what you see as right-wingers, the day after a trans leftist used guns to slaughter little children. Nice form.

      1. Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland   2 years ago

        Superstitious, antisocial, disaffected right-wingers are among my favorite culture war casualties.

        Destined to spend the rest of their deplorable lives complying with the preferences of better -- modern, educated, inclusive, reasoning -- Americans.

        The American way.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          LOL, your side can't even run a city without it turning into Thunderdome, unless right-wing law and order types put your team members in prison.

        2. Think It Through   2 years ago

          Regurgitation of the same nonresponsive talking points....strong evidence that the right reverend might be a bot.

  58. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

    Nothing good ever came from hard work.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      What good came from no work?

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        Lots of real estate between hard work and no work.

    2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

      “If you work for a living, why do you kill yourself working?”

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        Most people who are killing themselves working are just barely making a living.

  59. Marshal   2 years ago

    Some 61 percent said they were more worried "that some schools may ban books and censor topics that are educationally important" than they were concerned "that some schools may teach books and topics that some students or their parents feel are inappropriate or offensive." Just 36 percent said the reverse.

    I wonder how much of his disparity is because the left media plus "reliable" outlets like Reason lie to claim schools don't teach CRT.

    1. Nelson   2 years ago

      Probably none, since I have yet to see any curriculum in which CRT is taught.

      CRT in schools is like Bigfoot. Those who believe it exists are true believers, but whenever anyone asks for evidence they pull up a blurry picture that looks like a tall guy with a big beard and say, "Look! You can't deny that's Bigfoot!".

      Except that anyone who isn't a true believer can see that while they are both tall, hairy, and bipedal, it's not even close to Bigfoot. It's just a common, everyday, person with broadly general similarities to Bigfoot.

      You might be more credible if you actually had some sort of confirmable evidence that CRT is being taught in schools, like curricula or someone who is in charge of setting curricula having studied or taught CRT in college.

      But you don't because teaching that blacks have been systemically discriminated against from the founding of our country until, at the very least, the mid-60s isn't CRT. It's just historical fact. It's not even questionable historical fact.

      Look up the 1964 Louisiana literacy test that required the 30 questions to be answered in 10 minutes with any score lower than a 100% disenfranchising the person who was being tested. Who was tested was decided by (and scored by) a government official and the tests were given overwhelmingly to blacks and immigrants.

      Try to claim that the Jim Crow literacy laws weren't an effort to disenfranchise blacks.

      Try to claim that Jim Crow laws weren't systemic racism.

      It took the Voting Rights and Civil Rights Acts to begin to prevent overt discrimination against blacks. Not stop it, just make it illegal in certain situations.

      As the KKK and lynchings show, 1965 wasn't a bright line between the time that blacks were subject to systemic racism and the time that they weren't.

      1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

        Ignores all the evidence to the contrary. Either that, or you're willfully lying. Not sure which is worse.

        1. Nelson   2 years ago

          "Ignores all the evidence"

          You'll have to actually provide this "evidence" you speak of. When pressed, the cultural conservative argument ends up being that CRT is taught in college (true) and teachers go to college (also true), therefore they know and accept CRT completely (uh, what?) and they teach it in K-12 schools.

          Some examples of curricula that include CRT would go a long way to making you sound less like a Bigfoot hunter. Hell, any actual evidence that standard curricula or texts used by schools teach CRT would be a good first step.

          Lying is saying something is happening that has no evidence and, knowing that there is no evidence, saying it anyway. You know, like you do.

      2. JimboJr   2 years ago

        "CRT in schools is like Bigfoot. Those who believe it exists are true believers, but whenever anyone asks for evidence they pull up a blurry picture that looks like a tall guy with a big beard and say, “Look! You can’t deny that’s Bigfoot!”."

        Swing and a miss. Multiple hi-def photos and video evidence of CRT have been provided, they just looked blurry to you because it was hard to see with your head in the sand and fingers in your ears

        1. Nelson   2 years ago (edited)

          “evidence of CRT have been provided”

          Of course it has. Where is this “evidence”, again?

          Individual teachers doing things that aren’t part of the curriculum? That’s like the teachers in the South who teach the Civil War as “The War of Northern Aggression”. They are both teaching stuff that isn’t in the text or curricula, but that doesn’t mean it’s part of the educational plan of the school or the district.

          You understand the difference between individuals and schools, right?

          “they just looked blurry to you because it was hard to see with your head in the sand and fingers in your ears”

          I think that CRT is largely bullshit, as do most people who look into it. That doesn’t mean that a bunch of cultural conservatives who think that you can’t teach about the overt, institutional, and systemic racism thst blacks experienced from the Founding to at least the mid-1960s because it would make white students ” feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of his or her race” can claim historical fact is anti-white racism or CRT.

          Blacks were treated abysmally for most of American history, especially in the South and mostly at the hands of white people. Are you claiming that isn’t true?

          I don’t think that CRT is relevant to college students (where it is taught), let alone high school students (where it isn’t). But I’m also not blindly partisan, so I’m not willing to lie and distort what CRT is.

          Sooner or later making people angry about stuff that isn’t real will hopefully backfire on cultural conservatives. I remain convinced that most conservatives aren’t anger junkies constantly looking to score.

          1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

            You have been shown the evidence and are still in denial of what's happening. Did you not read the curriculum at Northern Virginia that led the way to the election of Youngkin?

      3. Azathoth!!   2 years ago

        Let me help--

        Look up the 1964 Louisiana literacy test the Democrats and the left imposed that required the 30 questions to be answered in 10 minutes with any score lower than a 100% disenfranchising the person who was being tested. Who was tested was decided by (and scored by) a government official and the tests were given overwhelmingly to blacks and immigrants.

        Try to claim that the Jim Crow literacy laws the Democrats and the left imposed weren’t an effort to disenfranchise blacks.

        Try to claim that Jim Crow laws the Democrats and the left imposed weren’t systemic racism.

        It took the Voting Rights and Civil Rights Acts to begin to prevent overt discrimination bythe Democrats and the left against blacks. Not stop it, just make it illegal in certain situations.

        As the KKK and lynchings supported by the Democrats and the left show, 1965 wasn’t a bright line between the time that blacks were subject to systemic racism and the time that they weren’t.

        Y'all always leave that part out.

        1. Nelson   2 years ago

          "Look up the 1964 Louisiana literacy test the Democrats and the left imposed"

          And? Does the fact that the Southern Democrats are the ones that did it make it less real? If blacks suffered systemic racism and inequality, why does the name of the party who did it matter? It happened. It's real. Partisan finger-pointing doesn't change anything, with the added observation that fighting civil rights was the culturally conservative position, so that literacy test wasn't from "the left". It was from the right, who were trying to thwart cultural improvement.

          Culturally conservative positions are the problem (and the reality). Back then Southern Democrats (until the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act passed and they largely left in a rage) were cultural conservatives. The conflict isn't Democrat vs. Republican. It's cultural conservatism vs. a more perfect union.

          "Try to claim that the Jim Crow literacy laws the Democrats and the left imposed"

          See above.

          "Try to claim that Jim Crow laws the Democrats and the left imposed weren’t systemic racism."

          See above.

          "It took the Voting Rights and Civil Rights Acts to begin to prevent overt discrimination bythe Democrats and the left against blacks."

          See above.

          "As the KKK and lynchings supported by the Democrats and the left show"

          See above.

          "Y’all always leave that part out."

          And you're ignoring part where Southern Democrats were cultural conservatives, fighting modernization and equality every step of the way. Southern Democrats weren't "the left" or "liberals" by any stretch.

          1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

            And you're making the faulty equation that the Southern Democrats and Republicans were the same. This is false. The Democrats still want to control society.

            You are not being truthful, Nelson. Repent.

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  61. Win09   2 years ago

    Why in the world is a libertarian magazine praising religion? Religion was the original attempt to control us all, long before governments were powerful.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Because the new gods are a fuck of a lot scarier than the old ones?

    2. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

      Because Libertarians don't hate religion. And realize that it can also be a force for good. For every bad thing militant anti-religious people point out, there is a plethora of good things they ignore. Also, religion was not created to control people, some people used religion to control others but that wasn't every religions purpose. Some religions are downright libertine, enjoy life, have sex, drink and be merry, etc. Especially some of the old world pagan religions.

      1. Nelson   2 years ago

        "Because Libertarians don’t hate religion. And realize that it can also be a force for good."

        This is true. Just not in government.

        "For every bad thing militant anti-religious people point out, there is a plethora of good things they ignore."

        Absolutely. I believe it was you, Soldiermedic, who made a long post (maybe a year or so ago) that was one if the most touching and honest explanations I've ever read about what your faith means to you and how it makes you a better person. Whenever you are calling me an idiot or evil or some other ad hominem attack, I try to remember that post. It truly moved me.

        There is a difference between being anti-religion and opposing religion in legislation and government.

        1. Truthfulness   2 years ago (edited)

          The problem is that your interpretation of “opposing religion in legislation and government” IS anti-religion. You want French laïcité, which is banning religion from the public square. That is not what the Constitution supports, however. As one other user pointed out, the Constitution was made to protect religion (or any belief) from government, not to protect from religion.

          Your proposed ideas leads to policies comparable to that seen from the Soviet Union. We will not have any of that here. You are not for religious freedom.

    3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      There isn’t anything in the above blog post where ENB opines one way or the other about religion.

      1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

        Yet you and Win09 oppose it and want to replace it with your progressive Marxist ideological pseudoreligion, which is much more destructive than anything religion ever did. Look at the millions of deaths caused by communist regimes, which your ideology has much in common with.

  62. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    Majority Still See Hard Work, Tolerance, and Religion as Important American Values

    Jeez, we're working on it. These things don't change overnight.

  63. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago (edited)

    Look at this paragraph and see what you notice:

    “Some 61 percent said they were more worried “that some schools may ban books and censor topics that are educationally important” than they were concerned “that some schools may teach books and topics that some students or their parents feel are inappropriate or offensive.” Just 36 percent said the reverse.”

    It’s “educationally important” books and topics versus “books and topic *some* students or parents *feel* are offensive.” [emphasis added]

    What if the question were changed to “books and topics some parents feel are educationally important”

    Or “teach inappropriate or offensive topics.”

    Or “inappropriate or offensive topics like homoeroticism and sex surgery for minors”

    1. Nelson   2 years ago

      Since the vast majority of parents aren't on the "teachers are groomers", "trans people are pedophiles" and "discussing sexual and gender identity is discussing sex" side of things, what a small group of angry conservatives demand shouldn't be assumed to be the default position.

      Banning books because some parents disapprove of the subject and are willing to be enraged about it isn't a reasonable standard.

      1. Truthfulness   2 years ago (edited)

        Yet you conveniently left out the fact that the political elite is wanting to promote such child sexuality, which gives heedance to the idea that many “teachers are groomers” after all, and etc.. Most parents would be against that had the question been framed correctly.

        Taxpayers are involved, many of which are parents. If they’re gonna pay for education, they should have a voice in what will be taught to children, and if they don’t want a particular book or idea in a curriculum, then it shouldn’t happen. Even then, it’s not really a “ban” in a way you think it is; people are still free to access and read such books if they so please.

  64. Liberty Lover   2 years ago

    Majority Still See Hard Work, Tolerance, and Religion as Important American Values

    One has to question if the current writers and editors of Reason.com are among that majority?

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      We do? Why?

      1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

        The articles from ENB suggest otherwise. Many of you are not libertarian.

  65. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

    That should be "Clist."
    😉

  66. Cronut   2 years ago

    It's no longer fashionable to hate Jews, so they created Christian Nationalists as their new boogey man.

  67. Nelson   2 years ago

    "because their policies are being enacted to infringe on my freedom"

    *Checks growing list of abortion bans and restrictions* No, of course not. They aren't doing anything of the sort.

  68. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

    Wouldn't that create to much CO2?:

  69. Minadin   2 years ago

    Not on purpose, no.

  70. Nelson   2 years ago (edited)

    Just trying to establish the denominator of your outrage equation. Ten CIs in the entire Proud Boys organization seems insufficient, given their activities.

  71. Truthfulness   2 years ago

    And where's the evidence that the CI's were part of the Proud Boys? As it stands, you're lying out of your teeth.

  72. Nelson   2 years ago

    Jesse's post was, "There are 5 Proud Boys on trial. The DoJ has now admitted to 10 CIs.".

    There's always a chance that he was commenting on the Proud Boys being on trial and, completely separately, that the DoJ had 10 CIs in completely different places.

    But reasonable people see a two sentence post and assume that the two sentences are related.

  73. Truthfulness   2 years ago (edited)

    How dare people want to save lives and restore accountability! Christians aren't the only ones who believe that. What do you say to a person who’s life has been saved by these new laws?

  74. Nelson   2 years ago

    Banning abortion doesn't do either of those things.

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