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Electric cars

The Inflation Reduction Act Is Screwing Up the Market for Electric Vehicles

Volkswagen unveiled a cheap new electric concept car, but protectionist policies mean it's not worthwhile for the company to introduce it in the U.S.

Joe Lancaster | 3.24.2023 3:25 PM

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Volkswagen's ID.2all electric hatchback concept car sits onstage at an event in Hamburg, Germany. | Marcus Brandt/dpa/picture-alliance/Newscom
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Amid issues like climate change and fluctuations in the global price of oil, American motorists are increasingly interested in electric vehicles (E.V.s). In early 2022, new E.V. registrations rose 60 percent even as overall new car registrations declined by 18 percent.

Of all considerations, the biggest barrier to acceptance is price: The price of the average new E.V. runs nearly $67,000, while the overall average new car costs just under $50,000. Clearly the key to greater adoption of E.V.s is bringing the price down to be more in line with gas-burning alternatives.

Last week, Volkswagen introduced a new concept car, the ID. 2all. The all-electric hatchback boasts a 280-mile range and says it can charge from 10 percent to 80 percent in just 20 minutes. The company plans to sell it for less than €25,000 (around $26,900), roughly the same price as a Toyota Camry.

There's only one problem: Volkswagen has no plans to bring the ID. 2all to the United States. And if it did, it would be at a disadvantage thanks to protectionist policies.

Heatmap noted that the most likely reason why Volkswagen is avoiding the U.S. is that Americans tend to prefer larger vehicles, with trucks and SUVs now accounting for more than 80 percent of new car sales. Volkswagen's own Golf, which is similar in size to the ID. 2all, sold so poorly in recent years that the company discontinued its sale in the United States.

But there will always be a market for cars at entry-level prices, especially for people who just need to get from point A to point B as inexpensively as possible and don't live near mass transit. If that car also insulates its owner from having to worry about fluctuations in the global oil market, even better.

Tesla CEO Elon Musk has promised an affordable Tesla since 2006, including a "confident" pledge to introduce a $25,000 model by 2023, but he has yet to deliver on it. (He's currently the closest he's ever been, with Tesla slashing prices on its Model 3 to $42,990.) The two closest competitors right now are the Chevrolet Bolt and the Nissan Leaf, each of which currently retails for $26,000 and up. But each of those models uses outdated technology that takes much longer than its competitors to charge.

And yet even if Volkswagen wanted to make a play for the budget E.V. market, U.S. law would put it at a competitive disadvantage. As part of last year's Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), Congress established tax credits of up to $7,500 for anyone who purchases an electric vehicle. But the credit has a lot of requirements, including that the vehicle must "undergo final assembly in North America."

Volkswagen does have factories in Tennessee and Mexico; it makes the ID.4 electric SUV in Tennessee and recently pledged over $7 billion toward building out its North American footprint, part of which would "modernize" its factories in Mexico.

But if it wanted to sell the ID. 2all in the U.S. and let buyers take advantage of the tax credit, Volkswagen would have to produce the car here as well. The cost of moving production to the States wouldn't make sense unless the company knew it could sell them in high volumes. Without the tax credit, consumers would likely opt for other models based on artificially lowered prices.

The IRA's E.V. credits were a clear case of economic protectionism. Sen. Joe Manchin (D–W. Va.) opposed the credits on principle but ultimately agreed to them with strict requirements that would exclude E.V.s made in China or with Chinese-sourced materials. As a side effect, this also excludes E.V.s made in the European Union, which Manchin later admitted he hadn't realized at the time.

The Chevrolet Bolt and Nissan Leaf may have outdated charging technology, but they each qualify for the full tax credit; the ID. 2all, if it ever came to America, very likely would not. In a free market, consumers would get to choose the products to buy based on cost and dependability. A choice between a $26,000 electric car that charges in minutes and a $28,000 electric car that charges in hours seems like not much of a choice at all. But when the government, over misplaced protectionist sentiments, uses the tax code to artificially advantage one product over another, it disadvantages not only competitors but consumers.

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  1. Dillinger   2 years ago

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  2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

    How are the Trumpanzies going to argue against this one? They can't attack it based upon principle since they defended the previous president's protectionist policies. In fact they could use the very same arguments they used to defend Trump's protectionism to defend these policies. Made in America, American jobs, stick it to Europe and China, national security... The cognitive dissonance must be painful.

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

      Do you have citations for your assertions? Doubt you’ll find many here in support of the EV markets even under Trump. In fact most are AGAINST the market manipulation of the vehicle markets retard.

      I still see you dont know tariffs outside of bumper sticker slogans.

      1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

        He still doesn’t fully understand the definition of ‘ad hominem’ either.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          sarcasmic 2 weeks ago
          Flag Comment Mute User
          Whenever you see or say “You are wrong,” as opposed to “you are mistaken” or “what you say is incorrect,” the argument is against the person.

          That's what he thinks it is. Lol.

      2. perlmonger   2 years ago

        EVs are fucking retarded. Hybrids make sense, since they can still be "recharged" in ten minutes like any other gasoline or diesel powered vehicle, in any of the places where all of the enormous amounts of infrastructure to do so already exist. But EVs are technocratic fucktardery incarnate.

      3. damikesc   2 years ago

        Sarc is now muted for me. He has not made a relevant point in a long time now.

  3. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

    Why am I not surprised Reason takes corporate hype seriously?

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  4. JesseAz   2 years ago

    And yet even if Volkswagen wanted to make a play for the budget E.V. market, U.S. law would put it at a competitive disadvantage. As part of last year's Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), Congress established tax credits of up to $7,500 for anyone who purchases an electric vehicle. But the credit has a lot of requirements, including that the vehicle must "undergo final assembly in North America."

    Is reason really arguing that the government subsidies aren't broad enough? What the actual fuck. These shouldn't exist at all.

    1. damikesc   2 years ago

      Yeah, I thought libertarians OPPOSED the government stealing their money to give it to companies that they did not opt to give to themselves.

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  5. Longtobefree   2 years ago

    Everyone should have the opportunity to buy a vehicle powered by the work of children doing incredibly dangerous mining for mostly Communist Chinese firms.

    1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

      If you want to get technical, the batteries just store the energy which is usually powered by coal.

      Neat eh?

      1. DavidCayJohnston   2 years ago (edited)

        Not true.
        The share of American electricity produced from burning coal has been plummeting and is now less than a fifth. It will continue to decline for economic reasons.
        The share of juice from renewables is greater than coal -- and growing.
        https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3

        1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

          Cool. We’ll have electricity as long as it’s windy and the sun is up.

        2. Longtobefree   2 years ago

          Per the EIA:
          Coal 19.5%
          Wind 10.2%
          Solar 3.4%
          You have to include old fashioned water (6.2%) and evil old wood (biomass 1.9%) got get together and exceed coal.
          Even equally evil nuclear (18.2%) beats wind and solar combined.

      2. markm23   2 years ago

        The electric grid is mostly powered by natural gas these days. If you want to spend more for your car, reduce it's range, limit yourself to a few recharging points, and run it on natural gas, why not just convert the engine and fuel tank to natural gas?

    2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      There was plenty of that in our history. Eventually we got rich enough as a society to no longer need to put our kids to work.
      You want to end child labor? Buy stuff from societies that use it. That way they can get rich enough to not need it anymore. If you want to prolong child labor, boycott those who use it.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Yes, getting richer means less child labor, but you still want enough poverty so there is a good supply of monocle polishing children.

        1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

          You can always import more poor people.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            Are you trying to get Fiona's job?

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        You could educate yourself on the child mining camps in Africa. Instead you post this bullshit.

      3. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

        2 dollars a day for back breaking labor will make them rich in no time!

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Once Fiona gets them all immigrated here and all welfare they will be in the top 20% globally.

      4. mad.casual   2 years ago

        "You pulled yourself up by your bootstraps! Want to end child labor? Pay other people to put straps around their ankles and pull... or keep pulling on your own boostraps until their shoes slip on... or something. You know, pencils, markets, yada, yada, yada." - sarcasmic

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          Going from third world to first world is a process of building wealth. Child labor didn’t go away here because it was legislated. That’s the leftist tale told by politicians who rush to the front of the parade and pretend they were leading it all along. It went away because we got rich enough to not need it.
          Are you going to be a leftist and say government is the solution, or a free marketer and let the economy take care of it over time?

          1. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

            Are you going to be a leftist and say government is the solution, or a free marketer and let the economy take care of it over time?

            Which side is the one that advocates dumping tons of cash on foreign countries without awareness of where the money goes as blind turnkey to the recipient nation’s prosperity? I know dems favored blind, unconditional foreign aid policies, even dropping pallets of cash on hostile nations. I know Bush and others have approved much of it, both from the front and as fellow travelers along for the ride. And I know there are prolific examples, foreign and domestic, where it plain doesn’t work. I know there are many examples where even those same advocates wind up coming back and saying “Dropping cash on foreign warlords to love us and whip their slaves harder for us isn’t making them or us any more prosperous.”

            It’s rather interesting that nobody’s mentioned tariffs one way or the other but that seems to be what’s framing your typical one-dimensional conceptualization of the situation. Just because there’s no law saying *not* to pay the CCP to enslave or massacre the Uighyrs, that means it’s a good idea to do it (to say nothing of the context of “free trade” regarding the domestic EV “market”).

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              I'm talking about markets making people richer and you respond by arguing against foreign aid? Really?

        2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          Trump really did a number on conservatives. Turned them into leftists on economic issues.

          1. XM   2 years ago

            Why are you harping on Trump, when the IRA was passed under Biden? Is Trump some sort of a fan of EVs and green cult? Did most republicans or Trump fans support that act?

            Most of us here supported Trump despite his stance on tariffs. I suppose we made an exception for China, knowing how that place operates. Tariffs and protectionism are bad, but guess what, they're everywhere. Other countries are considerably more protectionist than we are. In a stable economy without supply issues, consumers can afford to pay a dollar or two more for toasters or ultimately find affordable options online.

            Trump broke the likes of you, not us. We're fine. Trump basically lives in your head. Your unhinged ranting is a result of manic obsession. Where were you when the FBI lied to place surveillance on Carter Page or pressured twitter to monitor Twitter? You were ok with a Soros funded DA pursuing federal charges at state level? Is it us who gave up freedom in service of Trump, or is it you who gave it up in pursuit of defeating Trump?

      5. DavidCayJohnston   2 years ago

        Sarcasmic, while you are right on a macro level, the fact is that even in 2023 America, many families put children to work because they are in desperate need. Their low-priced and often illegal labor subsidies you.

        BTW, I have worked full-time since age 13.

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          There’s a semantic or wording problem here. In the context of this discussion “child labor” means grueling, dangerous work such as mining, which is qualitatively different than having to do chores on your parents farm or working a shift at McDonald’s.

  6. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    That's cute that you think trade restrictions and subsidies for EVs have anything to do with concerns about the environment or consumer choice. Try looking at government deals with labor unions and crony companies.

  7. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

    The Inflation Reduction Act Is Screwing Up the Market ESG Mandate for Joe Biden and Democrat’s Push For Electric Vehicles

    FIFY

    I don’t know what you call stalled and sabotaged oil pipelines, long-standing and winner-picking subsidies, even-longer-standing taxation of fuels consumed by users of ICEs, repeated bio-fuel cluster fucks, increasingly stringent laws on harmless emissions, increasingly stringent administrative policies on emissions well below levels of detectable harm, sole-sourced government technology contracts, widespread state legislative bans on new vehicle sales, primary and secondary third party deals in favor of EVs, third-order market mandates in favor of economically-costly EV investing, and probably a whole host of other things I haven’t mentioned, but it sure as hell isn’t a market.

  8. Arthur Arre   2 years ago

    If you think a payment of $520 is a cheap car ,I must be reading the wrong magazine.That's with a 5 year loan, which you should not do because you will upside down on the loan.The car will be worth less than you owe so no getting out from under it by selling.

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  10. NOYB2   2 years ago

    The company plans to sell it for less than €25,000

    It wouldn't be that cheap in the US.

    On top of that, there's a reason VW is selling so poorly in the US.

    1. perlmonger   2 years ago

      Mostly because they got a bad reputation for poor quality after they got caught producing cars that were too efficient for the EPA and had to recall a bunch of cars that were perfectly functional.

      1. VinniUSMC   2 years ago

        That's one way to re-frame their fraud.

  11. DavidCayJohnston   2 years ago

    Joe Lancaster's points about protectionism and a poorly designed EV subsidy (which is equally available to cutting-edge EVs and those with outdated charging technology) are valid. But the way he frames pricing data relies on an old and disreputable trick in journalism.

    Lancaster compares the average price of electric vs. internal combustion engine vehicles without noting that EV makers have been heavily focused on the high-end market in the early years of battery-powered cars. That’s a perfectly reasonable business strategy, the kind we have seen in product after product going back to the early days of market capitalism and mass consumer product manufacturing in the late 18th Century.

    Only in the past year have ERV makers started focusing on the mass market. To be sure, Lancaster discusses this, but only after setting a filter that focuses readers away from the fact that as EV production rises, prices of comparable vehicles will come down. Early adopters of new technologies pay higher prices, and as a result, everyone benefits from refinements that lower costs.

    Lancaster notes that Chevrolet offers its Bolt EV for as little as $25,600 but decries its slower charging system. That’s a nonproblem as few people drive more than 50 miles a day. Many EV owners go more than a week without recharging.

    The typical 250-mile or so EV range compares very favorably with mid-1950s cars. Wildly inefficient Chevys, Fords, and Plymouths got 7 mpg for V-8s and 9 mpg for 6-cylinder engines. With a 17-gallon gas tank, the range was only 120 to 150 miles.

    My Volkswagen ID.4 cost $48,000, but with state and (previous) federal tax credits, my out-of-pocket cost was $38,500.

    A similar, but plush, SUV made by sister manufacturer Audi sells at $88,000 before options. People who can afford it or who stretch to make a statement about their financial status, subsidize those who buy prudently.

    One of the auto enthusiast magazines reported years ago on internal Toyota documents. The cost of producing a high-end Lexus was only 40% more than a low-end Corolla, but the Lexus sticker price could be five times greater, the Corprofit maximization remains the foundational principle in business, and how emotional appeals to status enhance vehicle maker profitability.
    My vehicle no longer qualifies for subsidies, so expect U.S. sales to lag.

    But watch closely, and please report on, how assembling vehicles adds little economic value and should not be a metric for deciding what subsidies, if any, are available. The value added in vehicle manufacturing is overwhelmingly in design, engineering, and heat-treated metal parts for transmission and internal combustion engines, which is why Japanese, German, South Korean, and other makers do this work in the home country. We do the same.

    Even without the flawed protectionist policy that Congress enacted last year, the switch to EVs makes sense.

    They are cheaper to fuel—especially if you arrange time-of-day pricing from your monopoly electricity utility and refuel at night when demand for juice wanes. Off-peak juice typically costs half the average price of electricity, already cheaper per mile driven than gasoline or diesel.

    EVs don’t require expensive engine maintenance, making the long-term cost of ownership much less than for a traditional fossil fuel-powered vehicle.

    On average, Americans drive slightly less than 50 miles per day. But even on long trips, I have had no trouble juicing up my EV in little more than the time it takes to stretch my legs, visit a restroom, and get a cup of coffee.

    As the author of “Free Lunch” and other best sellers on how government distorts economic behavior, I’ve written critically about subsidies for decades. But much as I dislike subsidies, there are times and places where a case can be made for them in the short run, by which I mean less than a decade.

    If subsidies like EV tax credits (better designed, for sure, than the current one) foster the development and expansion of new domestic industries, like EV manufacturing, and if vehicle makers become efficient enough that they prosper after the subsidies are withdrawn, then the long-term benefits economic benefits accrue to buyers, makers, and taxpayers may be smart. We need, however, to tell our elected lawmakers that these subsidies must be merely transitional, not permanent.

    1. perlmonger   2 years ago

      > The typical 250-mile or so EV range compares very favorably with mid-1950s cars. Wildly inefficient Chevys, Fords, and Plymouths got 7 mpg for V-8s and 9 mpg for 6-cylinder engines. With a 17-gallon gas tank, the range was only 120 to 150 miles.

      But could be "recharged" in ten minutes, unlike an EV.

      > EVs don’t require expensive engine maintenance, making the long-term cost of ownership much less than for a traditional fossil fuel-powered vehicle.

      I see that you have no idea what an engine rebuild costs versus a battery replacement in an EV. Or you are being deliberately misleading about it, which I suppose is an option, but I'd rather give you the benefit of the doubt there.

      The only way EVs would make sense was if the battery was easily exchangeable, so you could stop in a service station and be on your way in ten minutes as with an internal combustion vehicle.

      1. damikesc   2 years ago

        And that the cars did not have planned obsolescence built in to the entire thing. It takes many years for an EV to even break even with ICE cars, but after a few years, support for your car ends and, wow, trying to find after-market parts for them is nearly impossible and prohibitively expensive.

    2. perlmonger   2 years ago

      > On average, Americans drive slightly less than 50 miles per day. But even on long trips, I have had no trouble juicing up my EV in little more than the time it takes to stretch my legs, visit a restroom, and get a cup of coffee.

      I dunno how long it takes you to grab coffee and stretch your legs, but a friend of mine recently needed to drive her Tesla from Seattle to Florida and had an absolutely miserable time due to the need to spend a long time recharging after driving significantly less than I need to go between stops in my IC automobile.

      I even managed to average a better time when I was driving a tractor trailer that was governed at 65, the one time she happened to be in the area on a long trip, back when I was still working as a trucker. Granted, I had 250 gallons worth of fuel tank at that point. But I was only getting 10.5 mpg on average.

      Yes, you may well be right about the average distance people drive in a day. But on those occasions when you *do* need to drive farther, either you need a separate vehicle, or you're screwed for going places in a reasonable amount of time.

      I have no idea what you consider a "long trip". But pull 1500 miles in two days, and let me know how you feel about the convenience level of an EV. I've done Albuquerque to Oakland, 1100 miles, in 15 hours. To you and your EV, I say "Good luck."

    3. KHP54   2 years ago

      OK, we've confirmed what you are, and are just dickering over the price? No, no, no subsidies. Your boosterism for the "right" subsidies completely ignores the opportunity cost of leaving those dollars with the people who originally had them before being taxed.

      1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

        But it's for something he wants.

    4. Sevo   2 years ago

      "...On average, Americans drive slightly less than 50 miles per day. But even on long trips, I have had no trouble juicing up my EV in little more than the time it takes to stretch my legs, visit a restroom, and get a cup of coffee..."

      You're full of shit.

      1. markm23   2 years ago

        Or one of those people that tie up a restroom for a half-hour.

  12. DamnDirtyApe   2 years ago

    Electric vehicles are stupid!

    1. DavidCayJohnston   2 years ago

      Stupid because________?

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        It’s an ape. They think anything but horses is stupid.

        1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

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      2. Sevo   2 years ago

        They're too expensive, they don't go far, it takes forever to 're-fule' them, and if they catch fire, katy bar the door.
        And we do not have the grid to support them.

        1. markm23   2 years ago

          Worse, the same leftists pushing us to go all electric are blocking every effort to increase the carrying capacity of the grid, or to even keep the reliable 24-hour generating capacity that we have.

  13. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

    This has been the situation with Volkswagen camper vans since the early nineties. There is whole fourth generation of van design that one can only buy outside the US, because Volkswagen doesn’t it find it profitable to sell them after taking import duties into consideration.

    1. In Canis Credimus   2 years ago

      bah the US has some of the lowest import duties in the world. Americans just don't like small cars and beetle vans. I personally love them and had a LOT of fun in mine as a teenager/college student. It was infinitely easy to work on but got harder and harder to find parts I could afford so I sold it when I hit 30 and left that life behind 🙂

  14. NJ2AZ   2 years ago

    did the headline really need the last 3 words?

  15. JohnZ   2 years ago

    Electric vehicles are a joke. Insurance companies will soon come to the conclusion not to insure any electric vehicle. At this point, insurance companies are writing off ANY EV that has been in any sort of accident no matter how slight the damage in fear of battery eruptions.
    In Europe used battery packs are piling up as there is no way to recycle them.
    Ford's F-150 Lightning is a huge waste of money. The Chevy Bolt was involved in a major recall last year for battery replacement. People who park their EVs inside a garage connected to the house are playing Russian roulette.
    Let's see how many Teslas are being driven around Mammoth Lake and Grand Tarhee right now.

  16. TJJ2000   2 years ago

    "each qualify for the full tax credit"......... Holy crap Reason...
    Talk about going full on leftarded.

  17. GroundTruth   2 years ago

    Think EV's are so great and absolutely ready for the mass market?

    https://www.reuters.com/article/autos-electric-insurance-insight-idCAKBN2VM08M

    For many electric vehicles, there is no way to repair or assess even slightly damaged battery packs after accidents, forcing insurance companies to write off cars with few miles - leading to higher premiums and undercutting gains from going electric.

    Pretty much says it all right there. The whole EV thing is a pack of lies and foolishness.

    1. NJ2AZ   2 years ago

      nothing overlord government can fix by mandating 'community rating'.

      "Hey a car's a car everyone should pay the same!"

      1. GroundTruth   2 years ago

        Jeeze dude, don't give them ideas!

  18. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    "But there will always be a market for cars at entry-level prices, especially for people who just need to get from point A to point B as inexpensively as possible and don't live near mass transit."

    Ironically, the group probably least likely to buy an electric car. Apartment dwellers or renters that song have easy access to a home 220v outlet, or places with a choice of electric charging. Electric vehicles are still the domain of upper middle class families who can afford the externalities of electric car ownership.

    1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

      Well, we'll just have to mandate 220 outlets everywhere. Or 230. Whatever it takes.

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  20. VinniUSMC   2 years ago (edited)

    There’s only one problem: Volkswagen has no plans to bring the ID. 2all to the United States. And if it did, it would be at a disadvantage thanks to protectionist policies.

    Protectionist policies, like…

    Heatmap noted that the most likely reason why Volkswagen is avoiding the U.S. is that Americans tend to prefer larger vehicles, with trucks and SUVs now accounting for more than 80 percent of new car sales. Volkswagen’s own Golf, which is similar in size to the ID. 2all, sold so poorly in recent years that the company discontinued its sale in the United States.

    Wait, Americans dislike small cars so much that VW stopped selling it’s most popular small car in the US, but the EV would be so much better, if it weren’t for the pesky “protectionist” policy of Americans not liking small cars?

    WTF is wrong with Reason writers these days? Fucking absurd lack of anything approaching reason.

    All this over a concept car. By the time it gets to market, it will be like VW's diesel "snafu". Bunch of BS. Like Tesla's $25,000 EV.

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