20 Years After Iraq, U.S. Leaders Still Don't Fully Consider International Risks
Are we stumbling into disaster? Again?

Twenty years after American troops invaded Iraq and embarked on a costly war this country came to regret, the U.S. is again flirting with international conflict—this time with Russia and China. Of course, not every military mistake of the past is comparable to conflicts of the present, but we should be clear that a lot of bad thinking was behind the Iraq War and ensure that political leaders engage in better quality due diligence as they engage in today's higher-stakes face-offs with nuclear-armed nations.
After 9/11, the Bush administration persuaded willing lawmakers and an angry public that Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq was complicit in the terrorist attacks and posed a continuing threat to the United States. In authorizing military action, Congress's joint resolution cited "Iraq's ongoing support for international terrorist groups combined with its development of weapons of mass destruction."
Bad War, False Claims
That was nonsense. Hussein's regime was brutal and predatory but had nothing to do with 9/11. And, despite much effort, investigators were never able to find the promised stashes of biological, chemical, or nuclear weapons. But the war was launched before those facts were clarified for public consumption, and the population was largely convinced.
"In the months leading up to the war, sizable majorities of Americans believed that Iraq either possessed WMD or was close to obtaining them, that Iraq was closely tied to terrorism – and even that Hussein himself had a role in the 9/11 attacks," Pew noted last week in a review of the data. "Two decades after the war began, a review of Pew Research Center surveys on the war in Iraq shows that support for U.S. military action was built, at least in part, on a foundation of falsehoods."
Those false justifications, and the resulting fighting, were extremely expensive. The war in Iraq, where the U.S. still has a military presence, cost an estimated 4,500 U.S. military lives, 200,000 Iraqi civilian lives, and caused perhaps 300,000 deaths in total. In monetary terms, the Costs of War project estimates the tally for the Iraq War at close to $2 trillion. That's a stiff bill in lives and wealth for a war that Americans now regret.
"Among veterans, 64% say the war in Iraq was not worth fighting considering the costs versus the benefits to the United States, while 33% say it was," Pew Research reported in 2019. "The general public's views are nearly identical: 62% of Americans overall say the Iraq War wasn't worth it and 32% say it was." (Polling found similar results for the disastrous war in Afghanistan.)
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New Conflicts With Higher Stakes
Those second thoughts come as international tensions escalate once again, this time with Russia over its invasion of Ukraine, and China over its similar desire to forcibly incorporate Taiwan. Worse, the tensions have driven those two countries into deepening ties with one another, in opposition to the U.S. and its allies.
Of course, it's easy to make too much of past examples. Just as not every peace treaty should evoke the ghost of Neville Chamberlain and the dangers of appeasement, so not every modern conflict is an Iraq-style quagmire threatening to siphon blood and money for little gain. Russia invaded a neighbor in a naked play for territorial gain, and China clearly is considering similar action (though that may be more difficult than it appears). That's in contrast to the former Iraqi regime which, like many authoritarian governments, largely confined itself to tormenting its own people.
But another difference is that China and Russia are both much more potent than Iraq of 20 years ago. Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction were a mirage, but Russia's nuclear stockpile is the biggest in the world. China is also nuclear-armed (though with a much smaller number of warheads) and has the second-largest economy on the planet. That means any confrontation with those countries, if not properly handled, could pose much greater risk.
Technically, western opposition to Russia has, so far, taken the form of money and weapons to support Ukraine's defense efforts. But international sanctions and an arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin have nudged the blocs closer to direct confrontation.
We're At War With Who?
"What does it mean precisely when German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock says that the Euro-Atlantic community finds itself at 'war' with Russia in Ukraine?" Carnegie Council Senior Fellow Nikolas K. Gvosdev asked in January. He could have referenced other western officials who have similarly framed the conflict as one of Russia against NATO and the West.
If nothing else, it means that the world is edging closer to turning a regional war into global peril, with little public discussion.
Northeastern University's Max Abrahms, who teaches international relations, is one scholar who urges "greater caution in America's approach to countering Russia." He worries that, in trying to counter Russia's imperial ambitions, the West risks further "mutual escalation" and expanded conflict without fully considering the dangers involved.
It's difficult to argue that the U.S. approach to China is any better thought out. After decades of nudge-and-wink "strategic ambiguity" over American commitments to defending Taiwan, building close ties without a clear military commitment, the Biden administration has reconsidered.
"US President Joe Biden has warned China is 'flirting with danger' over Taiwan, and vowed to intervene militarily to protect the island if it is attacked," the BBC reported last year.
Or maybe it hasn't reconsidered. The White House promptly walked back that promise, and not for the first time. That's an extra helping of ambiguity, with little strategy attached. We're left with the impression that nobody is really thinking things through or assessing risks.
"Repeated gaffes risk being interpreted as changes in policy," warned Stephen Wertheim of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. "They increase the chance of damaging peace and stability between the world's two leading powers."
Loose language, policy shifts that maybe aren't, and undeclared wars hinted at with no prior debate. No wonder recent polling by Trafalgar Group/Convention of States found 43.4 percent of respondents fearful that we're "on the brink of another world war."
With so much at stake, more deliberation needs to go into the fights picked by U.S. politicians and their allies. What we have now looks less like intentional policy than like…stumbling into disaster. Again.
"Mendacious in its beginnings, incompetent in its aftermath, and downright criminal in the death and civilizational wreckage it caused, the Iraq War was a catastrophe America has not yet properly reckoned with," Reason's Brian Doherty noted of the Iraq disaster. With so much more at stake in potential conflicts with Russia and China, we need to make sure that nobody ever needs to write a similar assessment of U.S. government dealings with more potent military powers—assuming anybody is still in a position to pen the words, that is.
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Things must be going badly in Ukraine. You can tell something's up when the regime organs start laying the groundwork for an exit.
Huh? The Iran-Iraq War was started by an Iraqi invasion. When that war ended after many long and bloody years, Iraq turned around and invaded Kuwait.
The only thing that made the Iraqi regime stop invading its neighbors was the combination of a large US ground forces deployment on its borders and a perpetual US air war (the "No-Fly Zones").
And a cease fire that was perpetually, though ineffectively, violated by Saddam. Gotta love the combination of revisionist history and sociopathic lack of compassion from Tuccille.
There wasn’t really any “good” choices when it came to dealing with Saddam. He maintained stability in Iraq, but was the cause of instability outside of it. Removing him turned Iraq into a hotbed of instability that's never really righted itself (the Kurds basically have to run the country because the Sunnis and Shias cannot get along at all), which ended up perpetuating instability outside of it–with, to be fair, no small amount of help from us, in the form of numerous color revolutions by the CIA and State Department during the Bush and Obama years, to the point where the region is even more dysfunctional than when Iraq and Iran were in a bone-crushing war of attrition.
After 9/11, the Bush administration persuaded willing lawmakers and an angry public that Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq was complicit in the terrorist attacks and posed a continuing threat to the United States.
This is a lie. Bush never claimed Iraq was involved in 9/11. He instead claimed 9/11 showed why we needed a stronger response to all terrorism to prevent it from sufficiently developing to orchestrate such attacks.
Reason's bush league journalism continues.
This is a lie. Bush never claimed Iraq was involved in 9/11.
Even though it is indeed true that Bush never claimed Iraq’s involvement, the actual statement you call a lie is also true. Bush’s rhetoric is what persuaded people. If you go around saying that 9/11 was an act of terror and Saddam is a major sponsor of terror, and you always juxtapose the two, then sooner or later people are going to assume a connection even if – as we know – there wasn’t one.
https://sgadaria.expressions.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Iraq-article_Gershkoff_Kushner.pdf
the actual statement you call a lie is also true.
Amusingly this statement is a lie.
the actual statement you call a lie is also true.
Amusingly this statement is a lie.
Equally amusingly, your statement is a lie. Are you a Cretan? 😉
Your mommy said you were smart; she lied.
Fuck off and die, you obnoxious piece of shit.
If we had been responding to 9/11 we would have invaded the Saudis.
And pakistan
I'm of the opinion that, in fact, we were responding to 9/11 with the Iraq War; we just weren't retaliating for 9/11.
The thing that got so many Saudis pissed off at us and contributing to Al Qaeda was the presence of large numbers of US troops in Saudi Arabia. The reason there were US troops in Saudi Arabia was the threat from Hussein's regime. By taking out the Hussein regime, we eliminated the threat and were able to remove our troops from Saudi Arabia.
However, there was no way, politically, to sell the Iraq War to the American public on the grounds that "We're going to war to satisfy Al Qaeda's demand that we get out of Saudi Arabia". So other grounds were publicly advanced.
"The reason there were US troops in Saudi Arabia was the threat from Hussein’s regime."
I don't think there was ever a threat of Iraq invading Saudi Arabia. And even if Iraq did take Saudi Arabia, wouldn't that have been an improvement? A secular Western oriented regime instead of an Islamist monarchy rife with Wahhibi fanatics.
At least in the opinion of the national security apparatus there was; that was, after all, the whole point of Desert Shield. You can feel free to disagree with their analysis, of course.
And no, having the oil of the Arabian Peninsula financing the military machine of an aggressive military dictator with the population base to have a large army and known for using poison gas in war would not actually have been an improvement over the Saudis, even if the regime was nominally "secular".
"Secular", in the Middle East, does not mean "peaceful", or "pro-Western", or even "non-fanatic". Nasser was "secular". The Assads, père et fils, are "secular". The PLO historically is a "secular" movement, with Yasser Arafat a "secular" leader.
"known for using poison gas in war would not actually have been an improvement over the Saudis, even if the regime was nominally “secular”."
The Saudis have been lobbing missiles into Yemen for a lot longer than Saddam's beef with the Kurds lasted.
Saddam had designs on Kuwait, a country carved out by the Brits to placate a wealthy family of sheep rustling thugs. I'm not aware that he had any intention to overrun Saudi Arabia. If he had, it only makes sense to take the both at the same time, not pause. The idea that Saddam planned to invade Saudi Arabia at some later date sounds like scare mongering propaganda, and it most certainly is. Don't fall for it.
"“Secular”, in the Middle East, does not mean “peaceful”"
Secular means non-religious. It wasn't a big deal in Iraq, they had Christian cabinet ministers, unveiled women teaching in the universities, liquor was easy to get, movies, music and other Western cultural products too.
"The PLO historically is a “secular” movement, with Yasser Arafat a “secular” leader."
Yes, he was a nationalist. His wife was a Christian. Hamas and Hezbollah are not secular. The state of Israel is not secular, at least in an official and legal sense. The country apparently has the world's highest percentage of atheists.
I wouldn't say that Hussein, Nassar, Arafat and Assad were 'fanatics.' Fanaticism is for followers. The leaders are more cool and calculating. They obviously believed in the their cause, Nationalism, but that doesn't amount to fanaticism. Personally I prefer them to those that presume to speak for god.
"They obviously believed in the their cause, Nationalism"
Nassar and Assad went beyond nationalism. They promoted a super charged version called pan-Arabism, and Syria and Egypt were once joined in a single republic inspired by the idea. Hussein joined the Baath party as a teenager in opposition to the then government of Iraq failure to respond positively to Nassar's project.
I don’t think there was ever a threat of Iraq invading Saudi Arabia.
This is an example of how unserious people assume reality to protect their preferences. Saudi Arabia asked for our protection in 1991 specifically because Iraq was a credible threat. The same people who claim Iraq wasn't a threat to SA would have said the same about Kuwait a month before Iraq invaded. To avoid having to deal with this reality and exposing the weaknesses of their worldview they simply claim it would never have happened.
"This is an example of how unserious people assume reality to protect their preferences. Saudi Arabia asked for our protection in 1991 specifically because Iraq was a credible threat. "
It's unserious to consider Saddam's plans were to assemble his military, take Kuwait in lightning speed with virtually no resistance and no losses, then pause for a while at the Saudi border and wait for the enemy to prepare before plunging ahead.
Anything is possible but some scenarios are more plausible and likely than others. Iraq had claimed Kuwait from the very beginning:
"1961 June - Kuwait becomes independent with the end of the British protectorate; the sheikh becomes an emir. The country joins the Arab League. Iraq renews claims that Kuwait is part of its territory but backs down after British military intervention. "
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-14647211
Kuwait anyway is no shining beacon of hope and enlightenment. It's notoriously corrupt and I doubt anyone reading this would find their lives freer there. Perhaps if there are any falconry or ostrich racing enthusiasts out there, they may find Kuwait an improvement. They, the Kuwaiti state, not the falconers or the ostrich jockeys, supplied Saddam with money and material for the war with Iran. They also were enthusiastic participants in the war on Yemen, at least for the first few years.
No serious person believes Iraq had similar designs on Saudi Arabia. It's propaganda, scare mongering. Don't fall for it.
It’s unserious to consider Saddam’s plans were to assemble his military, take Kuwait in lightning speed with virtually no resistance and no losses, then pause for a while at the Saudi border and wait for the enemy to prepare before plunging ahead.
Again we see how unserious people simply assume away the risks. In reality this is how many military operations work, the interlude being necessary for new equipment and replacement training, as well as redeploying forces toward the new target. Conversely our ahistorical fantasist asserts militaries routinely choose to fight all enemies at once as if divide and conquer hasn't been a known strategy for millennia. That's why the US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq at the same time, and why Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia and Poland on literally the same day.
"the interlude being necessary for new equipment and replacement training, as well as redeploying forces toward the new target.:
The satellite imagery doesn't bear you out. You've swallowed the Pentagon propaganda whole. The invasion lasted two three days, resulted in a thousand killed, both sides included, and a new puppet government for the province of Kuwait. I'm not saying the thought of carrying on to Riyadh didn't cross Saddam's mind, and perhaps like Qaddafi, used Western and Saudi fears to his own advantage, but it seems unlikely his intention was to take the Arabian peninsula. How many tanks would have to be redeployed to achieve that? A lot more than was deployed originally to Kuwait.
The problem with that analysis is that we're still not out of Saudi Arabia. If our motivation were as you describe we would have moved our bases from SA to Iraq in their entirety.
That may be because of the weakening of ISIS and other Islamists as a result of the war on terror. There is no longer the credible threat it once was. Biden has been withdrawing military from Saudi Arabia recently from Trump levels, relations are cooling, and Saudi and Iran met in China last week or so to re-establish diplomatic ties. ISIS and Islamism on the ropes and only attractive to the a few Arabs and disaffected Westerners, and diminishing chances of a conflagration with Iran - good times.
Biden has been withdrawing military
If the motivation was as described the move would have occurred before Obama was President, much less Trump or Biden. It's a testament to how desperate you are for evidence you find this obvious nonsense compelling.
"you find this obvious nonsense compelling."
Pardon me but I'm not sure which obvious nonsense you're referring to.
We are not "still" in Saudi Arabia, we returned to Saudi Arabia in 2019 after a 16-year absence.
Yes.
Surely you don't expect politicians to actually learn from past mistakes?
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US leaders aren’t concerned with international risks, they are concerned with personal power and money. That drives their choices. Weapons sales, lucrative rebuilding contracts, the ability to engage in self righteous indignation on TV, etc.
Generally, what you call “risks” are actually benefits to them.
Yeah, there's really no other way to look at what's going on in Ukraine than it being Russia's response to the US turning the country into a money-laundering operation for the nation's elites via their puppet Zelensky--something which had fallen apart in Russia after the Cold War because the puppet we picked for that purpose, Yeltsin, turned out to be a raging alcoholic who was so incompetent that it allowed Putin to take over.
Ukraine was looked at as a consolation prize, but when Putin's own puppet was put in charge of the country, the US couldn't let that stand and so it started a color revolution to get OUR puppet in place instead. So now Putin has basically said, "fuck it, I'm taking this shit back by force," and now we're essentially stuck dumping unlimited funds into supporting this hand-picked regime thrall because the invasion represents a threat to the elites' money-laundering operation there.
"and now we’re essentially stuck dumping unlimited funds"
You're in the wrong business.
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https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodities/us-natural-gas-exports-europe-surge-energy-crisis-trader-profits-2022-8?op=1
And this based on a notion that the only reason any country does something untoward is response to the US. Russian imperialists have been regretting Ukraine independence since the Soviet Union collapsed. Their goal has been a reconquest, especially since the Ukrainians sent their puppet packing.
"Russian imperialists have been regretting Ukraine independence since the Soviet Union collapsed"
I think Russian imperialists are quite comfortable with an independent Ukraine, at least as long as it doesn't become a spring board for yet another attack from the West. What really irks them is that the Crimea is a part of that independent Ukraine. The Western parts are largely Catholic, speaking another language, and have less of a pull on imperial hearts. There are emotional and strategic reasons why Russia wants to keep Crimea to herself.
Their goal has been a reconquest, especially since the Ukrainians sent their puppet packing.
This doesn't exactly refute what I wrote above. In fact, it confirms it.
If their goal was the reconquest of Ukraine in toto, they would have focused on Kiev, the capital. They had more than enough ammo to reduce to city to rubble and scatter their government. They instead have been dicking around in the border lands at the edge for over a year. They want Crimea, and throw in the Donbas for old times sake. They want they rest of Ukraine not to be a NATO staging ground.
I would say that they do not evaluate international risks to the same metric that Tuccile would prefer, and therefore come to vastly different conclusions. That is not the same as saying they do not evaluate risk. If you ask them, I expect they would say Tuccile improperly evaluates the risks of his preferred policies.
Not the first time I have posted that back in the day when I was on active duty I was befriended by a two star who taught at the War College. One thing he said that stuck with me was that the only war he thought was justified was the Trojan War because everyone knew what they were fighting for; Helen of Troy. Is the US/West supporting/fighting (don't try and give me any shit about the US not having troops on the ground there "training" fighters from who knows where or providing intel with AWACs and drones that the rooskies dump fuel on to make them crash) in Ukraine to keep the money laundering functioning and is Russia/China happy to seen meat shields into Ukraine to bleed the US/West and put a hurt on their economy.
In the past wars were often viewed as zero sum games but more and more what is happening in Ukraine is looking like both sides have a different definition of what winning means. Sure at one level getting rid of Putin means a turdface would be gone; problem is that most likely it would only result in a bigger turdface replacing him. In the meantime the US/West is pissing away big bucks and reducing their weapons stockpile as their economy is going to Hell in a handbasket. Not much question in my mind that the risk of Russia using nukes while slim is much greater than before the spaghetti hit the fan in the Ukraine. Sad to say I don't see a happy ending to this story.
Anyone who thinks the US/West's actions in Ukraine are the right answer needs to answer the question what will a happy ending look like.
"Sad to say I don’t see a happy ending to this story."
Russia will eventually satisfy her territorial ambitions, which doubt extend beyond Donbas and Crimea, and secure them and the fighting will die down. That's probably the best we can hope for the next generation or so.
Russia invaded another country. The happy ending is that Russia removes itself (or is pushed out) from Ukraine. How hard is that to understand?
"How hard is that to understand?"
A little hard. Who is doing the pushing? Ukrainians have had more than a year, and they've been more pushed than pushing.
And the US/NATO have been encroaching on Russia for decades. Or do you think nukes in Cuba is something that required no response?
There were peaceful options but they have been routinely tossed aside by the MIC and their minions.