Biden's First Veto Protects and Promotes ESG
What at first appears to be deregulation is actually economic activism in disguise.

In a dispute with Congress over the proper role of environmental, social, and governance (ESG) in retirement investing, President Joe Biden chose to promote progressive environmentalism. On Monday, Biden vetoed a congressional resolution to nullify a recent Labor Department rule issued that explicitly allows retirement managers to weigh ESG factors in investment decisions.
Congress attempted to employ the Congressional Review Act, a statute that allows legislators to review certain administrative rulemakings with a simple majority in each house. Republicans voted in favor, and all but two Senate and one House Democrats against. Only defections by Sens. Joe Manchin (D–W.Va.) and Jon Tester (D–Mont.) carried the resolution through the Senate.
At first glance, this could seem like a case of anti-ESG Republicans attempting to block deregulation that allows investors more freedom—that's Biden's narrative. But this framing is incomplete. In truth, the president is shrouding the fact that he is acting at the edges of his statutory mandate, consistent with his administration's long-standing commitment to the bureaucratic furtherance of progressive environmental policies.
The Biden administration and Democrats generally argue that ESG-based investing harmonizes market capitalism with social-justice policy preferences; profitable clean energy stocks are a classic example.
Republicans say ESG investing can violate the fiduciary legal obligations of retirement funds, which should maximize returns for their clients, not engage in activism by divesting from lucrative but controversial industries or funding eco-friendly but economically suboptimal companies.
The result is a partisan fight over how federal regulations and case law have defined fiduciary duty and whether investing models that consider nonfinancial criteria satisfy the "prudence and loyalty" requirements of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA).
In 2020, the Department of Labor under then-President Donald Trump issued a rule reaffirming that placing "non-pecuniary" interests above pecuniary interests was not prudent. The department published a rule requiring that fiduciaries covered by ERISA—i.e., the firms that manage private defined contribution plans and defined benefit retirement plans—must "select investments and investment courses of action based solely on financial considerations relevant to the risk-adjusted economic value of a particular investment or investment course of action." Trump's rule held that if two good investments graded equally on likely risks and potential returns, ESG factors could serve as a tiebreaker, but, like the vice president's vote in the Senate, should have no deciding force absent a deadlock.
Although Trump's Labor Department initially proposed policies outright unfavorable for ESG, it moderated to the neutral final rule, which didn't actually ban ESG investing but made clear that any ESG factors must be coincident with optimal financial gain and risk mitigation.
The Biden administration argues its predecessor had "a chilling effect" on ESG investment, which, it says, "can improve investment value and long-term investment returns for retirement investors." To that end, the 2022 rule "amends the current regulation to delete the (the 2020 rule's) 'pecuniary/non-pecuniary' terminology based on concerns that the terminology causes confusion and a chilling effect to financially beneficial choices," the Labor Department explains.
While it excises the offending terminology, however, the 2022 rule leaves largely intact the definition underlying "pecuniary factor,"—i.e., "a factor that a fiduciary prudently determines is expected to have a material effect on the risk and/or return of an investment" (emphasis added). Instead, the new rule states, fiduciaries must invest "based on factors that the fiduciary reasonably determines are relevant to a risk and return analysis" (emphasis added). The two standards diverge more in intent—and likely application—than in language.
Lest investors mistake the operative political considerations, the 2022 rule clarifies that such analysis "may include the economic effects of climate change and other environmental, social, or governance factors on the particular investment or investment course of action."
"The Biden Rule, like the Trump Rule, confirms the permissibility of ESG investing in pursuit of improved risk-adjusted returns in accordance with prudent investor principles without mandating such an investment strategy," argue Northwestern's Max M. Schanzenbach and Harvard's Robert H. Sitkoff. "ERISA fiduciaries who did not use ESG factors prior to 2022 should feel no greater urgency to begin doing so now. And ERISA fiduciaries who are investing for collateral benefits continue to run the same fiduciary risk as before."
Though much of the partisan debate has centered on these core principles of fiduciary duty, the Biden rule does indeed contain other noteworthy policy changes. "Specific restrictions on making ESG considerations a part of investment decisions have been removed, allowing 401(k) plans under ERISA to insert ESG metrics into their risk and return evaluations," reports Zachary Christensen, a managing director for the Pension Integrity Project at the Reason Foundation, the nonprofit that publishes Reason. "The rule also reverses the restrictions on proxy voting that were applied in 2020, opening up possibilities for retirement plans to use stakeholder positions to shape the decisions of the companies they are investing in, even if the matter is unrelated to economic outcomes."
Nevertheless, politicians—the president among them—have exaggerated the new rule's immediate policy impact. "It simply states that if fiduciaries wish to consider ESG factors—and if their methods are shown to be prudent—they are free to do so. … The Republican rule, on the other hand, ties investors' hands," Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D–N.Y.) wrote last month in The Wall Street Journal.
Republicans, meanwhile, continue to insist that Democrats are subordinating the primary aim of retirement investments, which is to ensure that investors can securely retire. "In a time when Americans' 401(k)s have already taken such a hit due to market downturns and record high inflation, the last thing we should do is encourage fiduciaries to make decisions with a lower rate of return for purely ideological reasons," Sen. Mike Braun (R–Ind.), the resolution's Senate sponsor, said in a statement.
But the Trump rule did not "tie investors' hands," nor does the Biden rule allow them "to make decisions…for purely ideological reasons." And the president's pretense that the resolution would "mak[e] it illegal to consider risk factors MAGA House Republicans don't like" is flatly mendacious.
"Much of the confusion that the 2022 Biden Rule endorses ESG investing, and that the 2020 Trump Rule opposed it, traces to the original proposals for those rules," Schanzenbach and Sitkoff argue. "The Biden Proposal favored ESG factors by deeming them 'often' required by fiduciary duty. The Trump Proposal disfavored ESG factors by subjecting them to enhanced fiduciary scrutiny. However, following the notice-and-comment period, the Department significantly revised those proposals before finalization."
In the end, the Biden rule does serve, however, a clear, extra-statutory purpose: to promote ESG. The Labor Department is explicit on this count. A quick scan of its Federal Register entry counts 516 uses of the initials ESG. It's an advertisement that the executive branch—for the moment, at least—wants more ideologically progressive investing.
Biden's mandate within the ERISA framework is to protect the citizenry's retirement funds from unscrupulous investors, not advocate his preferred strain of investing. ESG-friendly investments may coincide with optimal investment returns—e.g., innovative, environmentally friendly technological ventures—yet often they don't. Investment decisions are made best by market participants, not technocrats. ESG-focused investing in ERISA-regulated retirement funds is perfectly legal as long as it's profitable.
"Over the past five years, global ESG funds have underperformed the broader market by more than 250 basis points per year, an average 6.3% return compared with a 8.9% return," Terrence Keeley, chief investment officer of 1PointSix LLC, wrote in September. "This means an investor who put $10,000 into an average global ESG fund in 2017 would have about $13,500 today, compared with $15,250 he would have earned if he had invested in the broader market."
This is due to unavoidable economic tradeoffs: If investors avoid profitable ventures for noneconomic reasons, returns tend to dip. For instance, "Last year, tech stocks fell by more than 30% while the energy sector, including oil and gas firms, gained nearly 60%," Keeley explained last month. "Yet because of their net-zero pledge, ESG funds continue to overweight the former and underweight the latter."
Biden's Labor Department positioned itself as a deregulator. But the new rule has left untouched the ERISA regime itself—which everyday Americans (correctly) assume imposes a fiduciary duty—seeking instead to obscure those underlying economic realities inconvenient to the president's pet causes.
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Take your pick:
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ESG is so fucking evil.
ELO was better. CCR too.
Jeff Lynne is too much for words.
Well I think you know what I'm trying to say woman
That is I'd like to save you for a rainy day
I've seen enough of the world to know
That I've got to get it all to get it all to grow
MSG is less bad than ESG.
At least MSG tastes good going down.
ESG funds have consistently grown at a lower rate than non ESG funds. They also have a much higher cost per trade and management fees. They are terrible for investors seeking consistent growth, promoting investment fees from churning, providing ratings, etc.
For those not in control of their own retirement stocks this is even worse. Cities, states, unions, are already doing a shut job of managing pension funds and this allows them to do an even shittier job of it.
Cities, states, unions, are already doing a shut job of managing pension funds and this allows them to do an even shittier job of it.
Yeah, but the taxpayers will pick up the tab for any shortfalls in the funds, so it's all good.
^^^ and THIS is the real crime.
ESG funds have consistently grown at a lower rate than non ESG funds.
This may well be true for ESG funds in general. Have you a link to research showing this? You don’t mention risk-adjusted returns. How do they compare? And is it true for all ESG funds?
Meanwhile, this paper suggests you may not be right: ESG and performance
We found a positive relationship between ESG and financial performance for 58% of the “corporate” studies focused on operational metrics such as ROE, ROA, or stock price with 13% showing neutral impact, 21% mixed results (the same study finding a positive, neutral or negative results) and only 8% showing a negative relationship. For investment studies typically focused on risk-adjusted attributes such as alpha or the Sharpe ratio on a portfolio of stocks, 59% showed similar or better performance relative to conventional investment approaches while only 14% found negative results. We also found positive results when we reviewed 59 climate change, or low carbon, studies related to financial performance. On the corporate side, 57% arrived at a positive conclusion, 29% a neutral impact, 9% mixed and, 6% negative. Looking at investor studies, 65% showed positive or neutral performance compared to conventional investments with only 13% indicating negative findings.
However, the fiduciary requirement should be enforced much more strongly than it is. A few years ago I was the CIO of a union pension fund and the trustees had made the decision to use a particular union-friendly bank as the fund’s custodian, which in economics terms cost the fund a small but significant amount each year in stock loan revenues forgone. And nobody did anything about it (and I had an NDA). There were other violations.
And don’t imagine that the GOP are necessarily on the right side. Any governor who blocks ESG investing or prefers fund managers who reject it is also in violation of fiduciary rules because what should matter is the (risk-adjusted) return not the rejection of an investment approach that you disapprove of on ideological grounds. There is no inherent reason why a particular ESG fund can’t outperform non-ESG funds (see recent Matt Levine pieces) and so you can’t just exclude the entire universe of ESG funds because liberals.
The fucking article even cites it you dumbass.
"Over the past five years, global ESG funds have underperformed the broader market by more than 250 basis points per year, an average 6.3% return compared with a 8.9% return," Terrence Keeley, chief investment officer of 1PointSix LLC, wrote in September. "This means an investor who put $10,000 into an average global ESG fund in 2017 would have about $13,500 today, compared with $15,250 he would have earned if he had invested in the broader market."
Keep pretending you don't defend the left at all costs shrike.
You are even stupider than I imagined, and I have a considerable imagination.
Note what I said at the very beginning in answer to your claim:
“This may well be true for ESG funds in general.” - which I thought would be obvious even to a cretin like you that I might well agree with you when you provide the research to back up your claim. Clearly you were more cretinous than I had supposed.
And then when I cited the paper, I said, “this paper suggests you may not be right”. Not, “this shows you’re wrong” or “all the research says you’re a lying POS” (which you are, though it’s not supported by this specific paper). I maintained an evidently open mind – as indeed I did the last time you made the assertion, when I asked you for research. None was forthcoming then. But I did say then that I was aware of arguments on all sides – citing Matt Levine IIRC.
I am not surprised that ESG funds cost more – it has always been the case that specialty funds cost more. One reasonable question is whether the additional costs are worth it. If they’re not, they’re not.
And I am quite satisfied with your – finally – providing a link to actual research. The Bloomberg article is useless and only an ignoramus would have linked to it, because you can’t judge long-term performance on the basis of a single year or even two.
But the HBR article is far more useful and interesting, and the research it links to is persuasive – well, it’s persuaded me. That’s why I maintain an open mind.
So despite the fact that you’re a lying POS and fuckwit, you’ve actually provided some added value.
God damn youre retarded shrike lol.
“My paper shows it may not be right if you carefully select your examples to get the answer you want ”
You are such a moron.
The article itself also had the citation available for my comment retard. And this is generally known from anyone not on welfare with investments. Stop justifying your defense of the left at all costs. Lol.
So despite the fact that you’re a lying POS and fuckwit, you’ve actually provided some added value.
You mean how I was right from the get go and youre an ignorant retarded leftist shit? Lol.
I never said you were wrong, shithead. In fact, both times you posted I said that you may well be right. A leftist would have disagreed with you from the beginning and then rejected your evidence. But as you're a cretin, you don't see it.
You disagreed me based on your own ignorance despite it being in the fucking article. Then chose a study biased to prove a benefit without even reading the summary or body of the study. Despite a 5 second google search showing you the information I provided. Lol. Leftist shit.
I totally ment to put all my money into Apple the year befor the iPod got launched. And I totally ment to sell most of that off to get in on Googles ipo. Can I just get the money as if I did that?
And I am quite satisfied with your – finally – providing a link to actual research.
This is my favorite part of your retarded post.
My posts are a minute or two apart lol.
SRG is toxic.
Dumbest fake Oxford test failing sock out there.
You're too stupid even to know when I agree with you, so your judgment about someone's going to Oxford is hardly to be relied upon.
You agreed with me but found a leftist biased study to disagree with me.
Youre amazingly dumb. Keep it up. Keep spiraling shrike. Looking good buddy.
You agreed with him so much you tried to link to a paper that “ suggests you may not be right”.
Goddamn.
Much like ESG assets.
I had asked you in a previous post for the research and you had not provided it. Hence the "finally".
For the third time. It was in the fucking article youre commenting on. Anyone not retarded with even basic market knowledge already knew this. It has been discussed for years. It took under 5 seconds to find those links with a simple Google search.
You failed on so many levels rushing to defend the lefts love of ESG. Lol.
Listen, you moronic - or dishonest, opinions vary - cunt, I explicitly said right at the beginning in response to your post, "you may very well be right". And in fact the last time you posted that, I said pretty much the same thing, while asking you for evidence - which you didn't provide. My view has = long before I joined you lot in this sewer - consistently been that it would not surprise me if ESG did not produce the claimed results because it's a convenient marketing term and the theoretical justification would not necessarily apply in practice, because I know too much about how fund managers work. Here, I have experience to go on, where you had only prejudice.
I provided a link that suggested you might be wrong, and then when you provided better evidence (though through a secondary source), I agreed with you - though it was always your responsibility to provide the evidence first.
That you are so clinically stupid that you think that this is a defence of ESG is a problem you should take up with your court-appointed psychiatrist.
Or perhaps, you're simply too cretinous to understand the meaning of the phrase "I agree with you" coming from someone who's not a right-wing authoritarian cracker POS like yourself.
Have a pleasant evening!
Bloomberg.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-07/big-esg-funds-are-doing-worse-than-the-s-p-500-green-insight
Harvard Business Review.
https://hbr.org/2022/03/an-inconvenient-truth-about-esg-investing
You really are a leftist defending moron. Lol.
You didnt notice the trick in analysis in your own post:
showed similar or better performance relative to conventional investment approaches
So comparing to bonds, money markets, etc. And not same to same comparisons like linked above.
#DefendTheLeftAtAllCost.
And for fees:
Exchange-traded funds that explicitly focus on socially responsible investments have 43% higher fees than widely popular standard ETFs.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/tidal-wave-of-esg-funds-brings-profit-to-wall-street-11615887004
So please keep posting leftist cites manipulating data to defend it.
I bet he thinks esg funds don’t ever have toxic assets .
Well by definition the E disallows toxic chemicals. Except solar panels and chemicals used for them.
Your point is really good and should be noted by all. Republicans want to claim that all ESG investing is bad and that is simple not true. Investments must be evaluated individually and some ESG will do better than some non-ESG. Fiduciary requirements can be met even when using ESG investments.
No. Anyone with a brain that investing where returns aren’t a priority ultimately leads to losses. Prioritizing ESG leads to losses.
You have no knowledge of investments. It is very much more complicated that just returns. That is why there are many types of investments.
"You have no knowledge of investments. It is very much more complicated that just returns. That is why there are many types of investments."
No, returns are rather key. Some investments have bad returns. They are called bad investments.
It’s actually my education and professional background. As a leftist democrat you’re just too stupid to understand that.
Returns are key. Despite what your Marxist masters tell you to think. This has a lot to do with why SVB failed.
I, for one, think ESG funds serve a valuable purpose. It provides a very easy investment choice of great benefit to many. ESG funds perform hard work and provide a very valuable service to me. By using ESG funds. I know exactly who to short.
Just don't tell shrike that. We need to keep him buying ESG funds.
ESG investments since Scott Adams has extra time on his hands thanks to idiots like Mod, Shrike, Mike, etc., he should create ‘The Dogbert ESG Fund’ as an addition to woke investment options.
Gee, where's my shocked face?
Ok, it's happening but it's not as bad as you say.
Nobody needs 23 kinds of investments.
Yeah, just make sure your bank is investing in super-safe, non-risk, U.S. Treasuries.
Not toxic!!!!
How long until we reach "it's happening and that's a good thing"?
No widespread global corporatist activism.
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"He's not a radical leftist, like it says in his campaign platform, you guys are just imaging it"
Nobody's going to mention that it's BlackRock and Larry Fink that are pushing this shit? If you don't know how deep the ties are between BlackRock and the DNC, you should. Until just recently, Vanguard was a part of the ESG crap too, but they bailed when it starting costing them to virtue signal. BlackRock seems to be doubling down on the crap.
https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1638183724389892105?t=MP73EcjKdXLWRFJes6m0qw&s=19
I’ve received a whistleblower report that the insurance company GEHA, which is headquartered in Kansas City, MO, and owns the field the Kansas City Chiefs play on, is holding detailed meetings encouraging its employees to take action against MO legislation it calls “anti-LGBTQ.”
This huge insurance company is most likely protecting its ESG score with this activism, which is astroturfing Missouri state politics, and perhaps operating under demands that it do so to maintain its CEI (Corporate Equality Index) score (this is informed speculation, tbc).
The documents at the top of the thread indicate a number of Missouri bills this company believes need to be targeted by employees to “protect” LGBTQ and particularly “trans” youth, and in work meetings instructions are being given to contact legislators to sway these bills.
While my comments about the CEI score above are speculation in this case (so far), that’s a common reason this kind of corporate activism is undertaken. It is not speculation that GEHA cares about its CEI score; they proudly boast about it.
The Corporate Equality Index (CEI) is a score provided by the Human Rights Campaign (HRC) that details how good a LGBTQ-Woke activist a corporation is. It’s surprisingly a very important number to thousands of major corporations, and it works like (is) an extortion racket.
The HRC scores corporations and visits corporations in the CEI indexing umbrella and gives them specific activist tasks required to raise or keep their CEI, which is scored to 100. Specific political activism like this and grift are typically required to keep or raise your score.
GEHA cannot be competitive in the ESG economy without playing these games because that false economy is under the sway of a financial cartel that Biden just vetoed legislation to start breaking up. The Biden Administration is bad for businesses, which are held captive by ESG.
The Corporate Equality Index is a powerful extortive tool in the ESG economy that’s holding our corporations hostage to the Woke Neo-Communist takeover, which uses them to achieve power they can’t get through government or individual compliance.
Our corporations should not be beholden to organizations like the Human Rights Campaign, WEF, UN, etc. Ending the ESG economy is overwhelmingly necessary, not just to free American productivity but also as a matter of national security that extends beyond even this revolution.
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Remember the old days when corporations were set up to deliver goods and services that customers wanted and distribute the profits to the shareholders?
FWIW even 100 years ago that was not always the case. That's why the Dodge brothers sued Ford.
Ford had justified skipping the dividend because he sought to do well for employees and America’s car buyers, with corporate profits a secondary motivation.
Early ESG
ESG is government imposing such regulations.
Ford did things that he thought would attract more customers and workers. That’s not ESG.
ESG is government imposing such regulations.
Nope. It's private companies. who began using ESG either as a marketing tool or as a genuine approach to corporate strategy or investment. There are no government regulations requiring companies to run on ESG lines, though there are regulations concerning reporting of strategy. from the SEC IIRC
DLAM is quite correct here.
Nope. It’s global corporatist international finance “synchronization” with established UN/WEF policy goals.
It really is weird how people keep saying, effectively, "Porsche choosing to work with the Nazis means he wasn't a Nazi and the Nazis weren't fascist because he wasn't forced to work with them."
Gender transitioning gay youth is best understood as a continuation of progressive eugenics policies and as an attempt to eradicate gays and lesbians.
To call this b.s. “LGBT” is insulting and offensive.
I am waiting for the inevitable tidal wave of lawsuits to cripple the doctors mutilating kids.
So, the progressive left is using their half-lucid figurehead to push GND bullshit by any means necessary?
You don't say. If only there had been some way to predict this kind of bullshit.
"half-lucid"
You are being way to optimistic.
Hey now, the adults are back in charge.
What in the world is the government doing legislating investments?
Social-ist Security isn't a US Constitutional authority.
Biden’s ESG regulations are an authoritarian and corrupt crony scheme. Biden was repeatedly lying about it.
If this ever “appeared to be deregulation” to you, you have no business working in journalism.
Or calling yourself a fucking libertarian.
the democrats also think giving certain people $5 million dollars each because of the color of their skin is social justice.
Like ESG, it is insanity.
“The Biden administration argues its predecessor had “a chilling effect” on ESG investment, which, it says, “can improve investment value and long-term investment returns for retirement investors.” To that end, the 2022 rule “amends the current regulation to delete the (the 2020 rule’s) ‘pecuniary/non-pecuniary’ terminology based on concerns that the terminology causes confusion and a chilling effect to financially beneficial choices,”
And anyone who can think with some degree of logic will realize that this assertion is nonsense. Prioritizing non pecuniary considerations means less priority to pnurturing the health of the investment. The idea that ESG consideration protects retirement investments is an unsupported leap of faith.
The progressive Left has, for a long time, have looked greedily at the wealth represented by retirement investments to put to their own projects. By definition this puts institutional retirement investments at risk.
The use of ESG investment is not the business of the government. The fact is that the ESG character of the invest itself does not determine the quality of the investment. When I began to add ESG investments in my portfolio I looked into the topic and found that these type investments can be as good as any other. I have lost money on some of my investments, but gained on other and in total my portfolio does well in comparison to the market.
If people don't like ESG investment that should be taken up with the investment managers and those that control the investments not the government. Republican are pushing this because the people getting a good return don't really care if ERGs are used and may in some case appreciate that they are invested in ERGs. This is a made-up outrage and libertarians should call it out.
Prioritizing ESG consideratuons means not prioritizing the health of the investment. It is not impossible that an ESG investment might perform well, but that is not the point of investing based on ESG criteria. Secondly, much of what we are talking about here are institutional retirement accounts like pensions and 401ks, in which the individual investor has little say or influence over the investment managers.
You are correct that many programs like pensions and 401K may not allow the individual to influence the manager, but the manager are not completely independent. They are appointed or elected and that is where pressure should be applied not by Congress.
More than anything there needs to for transparency and for the manager to make it clear how they approach investment management for the money that is entrusted to them.
That makes it OK to reduce the manager's responsibility to look after the health of his clients investment who looking to depend on that money for their retirement in order to prioritize progressive policy goals? The clients who are not the manager's direct customers?
It says much that the Left really does not care much for the welfare of the individual over their schemes.
I never suggested reducing the manager's responsibility. I question whether the government should be the party telling managers how to do their job. I think that responsibility lays with their customers.
It’s a good thing you’re such an expert on investing. You can guide these managers away from those unnecessary returns, and towards the positive vibes they can send their clients for saving the planet.
On a completely unrelated note, I see a lot more bank collapses in the foreseeable future.
Nah. It’s more like
JesseAZ: everyone knows that I’m a fat fuck
SRG: I didn’t know that but it’s quite possible. Got a photo?
JesseAZ: (posts photo of self in a
diabetes cartmobility scooter)SRG: yes, okay, you’re a fat fuck.
JesseAZ: why are you disagreeing with me? You must be some kind of non-Oxford leftist and sock!
It’s not like that at all.
Did ShrikeGPT write that?
I think it might be a Groomer Jeffy sock. We give Jeffy shit all the time for being a morbidly obese pile of three day day old whale blubber.
Man. Youre really flailing shrike.
Sorry you proved how fucking ignorant you are and how much you rush to defend the democrats. Lol.