A Florida Bill To Censor Professors Just Got Even Worse
The bill now bans a battery of poorly-defined "Critical Theory" concepts, and prevents schools from funding programs that promote "diversity, equity, and inclusion."

A Florida bill introduced last month that aims to suppress 'woke' ideas in public colleges and universities just got worse. On Wednesday, legislators filed an updated version of the measure, backed by Gov. Ron DeSantis (R), that seeks to limit academic freedom in Florida's public colleges. The new version of the bill expands the list of concepts and ideas that will be singled out for unconstitutional censorship.
H.B. 999 was first introduced last month by Rep. Alex Andrade (R–Pensacola). Gov. Ron DeSantis proposed the legislation in January, stating in a press release that he hopes to align state higher education curriculum with the "values of liberty and the Western tradition" by "eliminating politicized bureaucracies like DEI."
The bill seeks to make several dramatic changes to Florida's public colleges. The legislation places restrictions on what faculty can teach and effectively eliminates tenure, making it easier to dismiss faculty who teach forbidden concepts. The law would also restrict what universities can promote in campus programs and activities.
The legislation immediately received sharp backlash from civil liberties groups. "These censorial filters are unconstitutional," wrote Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression attorney Adam Steinbaugh last month. "As FIRE has explained many, many times in our defense of faculty across the political spectrum, the First Amendment and academic freedom protect the right of faculty members to discuss pedagogically relevant material and viewpoints in their courses."
Now, legislators have updated the bill's language in committee—expanding the number of ideas that will be shunned from classrooms should the bill pass. In the original language, the bill explicitly banned "any major or minor in Critical Race Theory, Gender Studies, or Intersectionality, or any derivative major or minor of these belief systems." Now, the bill bans "any major or minor that is based on or otherwise utilizes pedagogical methodology associated with Critical Theory, including, but not limited to, Critical Race Theory, Critical Race Studies, Critical Ethnic Studies, Radical Feminist Theory, Radical Gender Theory, Queer Theory, Critical Social Justice, or Intersectionality."
The updated bill also makes other significant changes. The original bill prohibited university funding for programs or campus activities "that espouse diversity, equity, and inclusion or Critical Race Theory rhetoric." In the new text, public postsecondary institutions are also banned from financially supporting programs that "promote or engage in political or social activism," However, the bill does exempt student clubs from these funding regulations, which suggests that a CRT student group could receive university club funding like any other club.
However, that does not put the bill on sound constitutional footing. "Here in the United States, the First Amendment bars the legislative imposition of the 'pall of orthodoxy' over higher education," wrote Steinbaugh last month, adding that this is "part of the half-century of Supreme Court precedent [that] curricular bans in higher education are unconstitutional."
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Let's try working through this. On what libertarian principles can you justify the state funding political activism? On what libertarian principles can you claim that there's a right to public financing of an academic agenda? You might be able to make a semi-libertarian point that consistency demands that if some ideas and agendas don't receive public support, none should (although I've never seen Reason staffers apply that consistency standard to, say, the publishers of IP or slander infringements). But, that's a much better argument for defunding the public universities than anything else. And, if that's your stand, can Professor Hilter teach The Tenets of National Bocialism 101?
And, if that’s your stand, can Professor Hilter teach The Tenets of National Bocialism 101?
It *is* a theoretical/conjectural race-based critique of democratic socialism.
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Jumping through hoops to censor all speech accused of lying without simply criminalizing lying.
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The Nazi shit makes a public ass of himself. Again.
When your intellect is limited such that the concepts of "relevance" and "evidence" are mysterious, you tend to do that.
Prove it.
Of course to do that, one of you fuckwits would need to refute something, anything that I’ve said.
None of you lying wastes of skin are, or ever have been, up to the task of proving what you claim or refuting what you deny. When challenged to, you run away like the cowards you are.
Prove it.
I’m pleased with these optics.
Already been done. You just cover your ears and yell “La La La La La…….. I can’t hear you!”. Which isn’t an argument. As you never really had one in the first place.
Prove it. Refute what you deny. Hahaha
The following points refute key elements of the holocaust with logic and science. This is because all stories creating the holocaust narrative defy logic and science.
There has been no objective forensic analysis at any supposed site. That means that there is no physical evidence. Any activity that demonstrates and shares evidence to refute the holocaust is a crime in every nation where it allegedly occurred.
The fact that all evidence that refutes the holocaust is criminal in every nation where it allegedly occurred is relevant if you are accepting any evidence at all from those nations.
Refusing to consider evidence is the definition of bias and your conclusion that bias is irrelevant only demonstrates your disregard for justice and your bigotry.
The crucial event of the story is the cyanide gassing of millions of Jews. That couldn’t have happened as claimed. The story is bullshit.
Jews have published books illustrated with pictures of themselves shirtless dragging piles of gassed bodies from the chambers to cremation ovens.
But cyanide is absorbed through the skin and NOBODY could have survived a single day of such activity much less collecting reparations into their old age reminiscing about it years later.
And so it goes with every bullshit story told by paid and coerced lying fuckwitnesses. The facts prove otherwise.
Let’s not forget another old timey favourite.The story of Babi Yar is a popular lesson in Jewish schools described as the single largest event of the holocaust.
The lesson is that between 30,000 and 100,000 Jews were taken to a ravine in Ukraine where they were killed.
The story is told by one Jewish survivor, Dina Pronicheva, an actress who testified that she was forced to strip naked and marched to the edge of the ravine. When the firing squad shot, she jumped into the ravine and played dead. After being covered by thousands of bodies and tons of earth she dug herself out, unscathed, when the coast was clear and escaped to tell the story.
She is apparently the only person in history to successfully perform a matrix bullet dodge at a firing squad. The soldier aiming point blank at her never noticed her escape. Never walked a few steps to the edge of the ravine to finish her off.
They were stripped naked to leave no evidence. Naked she had no tools to dig herself out from under 30,000 bodies and tons of dirt.
Only after the deed was done, the nazis realized that so many bullet ridden bodies were evidence. Oops, rookie move. So they brought more Jews and millions of cubic feet of firewood to dig them up, cremate them on gravestones and scatter their ashes in surrounding fields.
There has been no forensic investigation at the site. None of the bullets allegedly burned with the bodies have been recovered. Not one shred of physical evidence of this has ever been found.
There are military aerial photographs of the area at the time but they don’t show any evidence of the narrative, no people, no equipment, no firewood, no moved earth, no tracks of any kind.
Simply stating these facts is a crime in Ukraine where the Babi Yar narrative is taught in school.
Have you ever heard of the Bletchley park decrypts of the famous German enigma machines? It was credited for turning the tide of the war as allies knew what military actions the Germans were planning.
Only released in the 1980s those translated messages included prison camp information, deaths, transfers and requests for medicines to treat illnesses. The numbers of dead don’t support the holocaust narrative of which there was also no mention of.
Here are some actual enigma decrypts from Bletchley park in 1942 when deaths were at their highest.
Firstly the number of dead for the month are nowhere near what is necessary to support the holocaust narrative.
Secondly, notable is the concern over typhus deaths and the requests for medical supplies to treat.
GPDD No’s.:- 194/199, 201/203, 205, 218, 219, 222/3, 226, 233, 236, 239, 240/2, 247.
Covering the period 3rd Aug. 1942 – 25th Sept. 1942
A further examination is made of Concentration Camp figures; deaths from typhus have reached a very high figure in AUSCHWITZ.
A suspected case of typhus is reported from AUSCHWITZ (223b/42). It is probable that on the 6th August Nachschubkdtr. Russland Mitte requests typhus vaccine for 50 men and spottenfever serum for 20
For the first time returns are given for deaths of prisoners (223b/14,24,43,50): the figures for August are: NIEDERHAGEN 21, AUSCHWITZ 6829 (or 6889) men, 1525 women;.
Are you willing and eager to perform the feeble mental gymnastics required to believe, as the story goes, that Germans were communicating in code about prison camps while talking plainly about their military actions with their top secret enigma machines?
That would require you to really believe that Germany INTENTIONALLY lost the war to cover up the holocaust while ostensibly leaving lying fuckwitnesses alive in the prison camps as the Germans retreated.
The numbers of dead from German enigma decrypts does align with Red Cross numbers.
The Red Cross regularly visited all prison camps. It was their job to report the cause of all deaths. They recorded a grand total of 271,000 among all camps for the entire war. It is a matter of record.
The Red Cross was founded in 1863 with the purpose of protecting the interests of victims of conflicts.
The holocaust fairytale requires us to believe that they were so unaware of what might happen that they completely missed 95% of the victims in prison camps.
AND that they had not so much as an inkling that a holocaust was going on right under their noses. Because there is no evidence of any Red Cross document suggesting they did.
Are you performing those feeble mental gymnastics? How gullible are you?
The story of gassing Jews began as British propaganda to turn popular opinion against Germany. It was inspired to draw attention away from Jewish Bolshevik war crimes in Russia because that would work against allied propaganda. It also served global Jewish interests to create undeserved sympathy for Jews who had publicly organized boycotts of Germany to drive Germany to war.
There is a documented letter from the head of British propaganda to the head of the war office recommending that they cease the “gassing Jews“ propaganda because there was no evidence for it and if found out would work against their propaganda efforts.
Head of British Psychological Warfare Executive (Propaganda), Victor Cavendish-Bentick in a handwritten note, wrote on Aug 27th, 1943,
“We have had a good run for our money with this gas chamber story we have been putting about, but don’t we run the risk eventually we are going to be found out and when we are found out the collapse of that lie is going to bring the whole of our psychological warfare down with it? So isn’t it rather time now to let it drift off by itself and concentrate on other lines that we are running.”
Public Record Office Document F0371/34551 revealed by Stephen Mitford Goodson, ‘Inside the South African Reserve Bank’.
Zyklon B is an off the shelf insecticide used among other places in Prison camps to delouse clothing and bedding to save lives by preventing deadly typhus. The system used for years before the war employed heating to release cyanide gas, fans to circulate the gas and more to exhaust the chambers to make the de loused articles safe to handle.
Pictures of this equipment and the small de lousing buildings with clothing racks still exist in Prison camps. But no evidence of any gas delivery system has ever been found in the shower houses where the bullshit holocaust allegedly occurred. In fact, the story has changed to that they just threw the heat activated pellets onto the cold drainless floors in rooms full of people.
Such an inefficient method would have taken too long to kill the required number of Jews. The pellets couldn’t be spread evenly in rooms full of people. The cold drainless floors would have delayed the release of cyanide from the pellets that people would have swept away from themselves. Any dead would have released all their bodily fluids and their bodies covering the pellets. Vomit would have been added to the floor prior to entering such a room.
According to the testimony of the so called survivor, the timing entering the chambers immediately, the details shirtless survivor, piles of bodies with unvented cyanide gas pockets in every space, death from repeated exposure as per testimony would have been necessary, not just possible.
According to Martin Gilbert in his book, Holocaust Journey, the gas chambers at Treblinka utilized carbon monoxide from diesel engines. At the Nuremberg trial of the Nazi war criminals, the American government charged that the Jews were murdered at Treblinka in “steam chambers,” not gas chambers.
Gasoline engine exhaust contains about ten times the carbon monoxide than diesel. Diesel exhaust is relatively safe. Even if the Diesel engines were running at their maximum of 500 ppm, death would take several hours. Far too long to support the narrative.
If Germans had used gasoline engines, death would have been in a few minutes. But in the holocaust narrative for treblinka diesel was used even though Germany had plenty of gasoline for their tanks. Nuremberg still recorded that they were “steam chambers”.
Somebody is lying. They weren’t both steam chambers and diesel gas chambers.Which stupid lie is more believable? Does it even matter to you?
Jews had been publicly claiming a holocaust of 6 million Jews in various nations no less than 166 times between 1900 and 1945. Only to coerce sympathy to raise money. Like the wastes of skin who fake cancer on go fund me pages.
What’s the probability after being proven lying about 6 million Jewish deaths by holocaust over 166 times that the 167th claim is true? Better to buy a lottery ticket. Though the bullshiit narrative has been like a lottery bonanza for Jews.
The only thing the bullshit holocaust narrative has in common with WW2 is that they were both the creation of Jews.
These Jewish leaders are admitting it. Are they lying?
They are properly referenced quotes from Jewish leaders demonstrating that they had intended to create and force Germany into WW2.
That kind of evil is absolutely relevant when considering the character required to lie to the world about a holocaust for the 167 th time.
“We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany”. David A Brown, national chairman, united Jewish campaign, 1934.
“The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war against Germany …holy war against Hitlers people”
Chaim Weismann, the Zionist leader, 8 September 1939, Jewish chronicle.
The Toronto evening telegram of 26 February 1940 quoted rabbi Maurice l. Perlzweig of the world Jewish Congress as telling a Canadian audience that” The world Jewish Congress has been at war with Germany for seven years”.
You still trying to gaslight your Nazi-loving beliefs?
You do realize we all think you are a pathetic, joke of a worthless human being, right? You understand you are the most hated and reviled person here, right? You realize no matter how much you post your sad copy and paste contextless screeds that not a single person is going to buy into your absurd and monumentally debunked position, right?
You do realize we all think you are a pathetic, joke of a worthless human being, right?
He does not, no.
You obviously can’t refute my statements and that bothers you. Good. Hahaha.
You sound like a teenage girl angry at your reality.
I couldn’t care less how you feel.
Your statements are refuted by probably the largest collection of information that has ever been collected on any subject ever. That’s what’s so funny about your flat earth type claims. You are challenging the breadth of information more encompassing than any other subject and still think you are correct.
You are the biggest loser there is.
And of course you care how I feel, you respond to me and continually post trying to prove that your half-baked, racist position is somehow correct even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. You literally represent all that is wrong in this world. And that is really impressive.
Prove it.
Refute what I said that refutes the holocaust story as told.
If you can’t, denying it is simply irrational.
Rob,
Start by going to the Holocaust museum and then go to a library.
But you're not interested in truth, you're simply interested in justifying your antisemitism and love for Nazis.
Ironically, your constant defense of what Nazis did shows you know it was wrong, you just can't bring yourself to accept it. The irony of a Nazi-lover trying to cover for one of the main things the Nazis wanted to accomplish is just amazing.
You’re obviously admitting that you can’t refute anything that I said.
The fact that you can’t find your answer in a museum is your problem.
It's impressive just how stupid you are.
Carry on, you Nazi fuck.
You’re the one denying without refuting anything I say Kol Nidre boy.
Sevo, ML and others have already refuted your ravings. We’re not re litigating this for a deranged Nazi and anti semite like you. You had your chance, and your arguments were crushed.
Walk away nazi.
None of you lying wastes of skin are, or ever have been, up to the task of proving what you claim or refuting what you deny. When challenged to, you run away like the cowards you are.
You’re not proving your claims because you can’t Kol Nidre boy.
Every part of the Holocaust has been documented and testified to (often by the Nazis themselves, notorious data-keepers that they were) by those who experienced, perpetrated, collaborted, and/or discovered the sites. There are thousands of hours of film. There are millions of pages of documents captured from the Nazis. There are hours of testimony from the Nuremburg trials.
You are a fool if you think anyone reads your nonsense and thinks, "Hm. That makes sense.".
Paid and coerced testimony is inadmissible.
Provide irrefutable physical evidence to prove the story.
Otherwise you have nothing but paid and coerced testimony and I have irrefutable evidence of correctly applied logic and science.
I like these optics.
Paid and coerced testimony is inadmissible.
In other words, you'll dismiss out of hand any of the overwhelming evidence that refutes your assertion, while passionately believing completely unsourced things that confirm your assertion.
And you're the one appealing to "logic" and "science."
Your primary source's theory that Paul McCartney was replaced with a body double in 1966 based on album cover evidence is way, way more compelling than the farcical stories that Hitler really only wanted to delouse the Jews, despite your passionate agreement with him that the Jews ought to be exterminated.
tl;dr: you, sir, are a joke.
It’s obvious that you’re admitting that you have nothing but paid and coerced testimony and I have irrefutable evidence of correctly applied logic and science.
The jokes on you.
He’s a retarded child. He’s acting as if Holocaust denial is the status quo in the debate. These types of deranged idiots are incapable of reason or debate.
It looks like you’re projecting why you can’t refute anything I say.
None of you lying wastes of skin are, or ever have been, up to the task of proving what you claim or refuting what you deny. When challenged to, you run away like the cowards you are.
It would just be called Democrat Socialism 101. Taught by Professor Misek. Who also teaches a course called Holocaust Denial 232: Jewish Lies.
Say what you will, at least it was an ethos
And something that should be studied. Like CRT. The intellectual and academic value in a theory isn’t whether it is true or not. It’s not even whether it is “good” or “evil”.
“Teaching CRT”( as in the subject) is a canard. You do CRT. An actual equivalency would be teaching History 101 and having the running theme of the course be about how Aryan blood is the only one that can make civilization. Jewish blood can only destroy.
That’s the actual “teaching National Socialism” in your comparison. Nazism was a cultural revolution across all institutions and aspects of life.
And the classes are only half the problem. It’s college administrations being built around DEI and hiring and rewarding primarily on the basis of a radical social Justice ethos and your adherence to it.
At least it’s an ethos!
Equity is racism. Period.
This is what the critics don't seem to get. It's like they take colleges as a "given" regardless of their ownership or funding. All that fades into the background, and colleges are thought of like they're part of nature, and then telling the faculty they can't teach this or that seems like an imposition.
"On what libertarian principles can you justify the state funding political activism?"
If organizations are supported by the university, what is the justification for excluding groups that advocate political ideals? Do you think the government should repress political ideals that it disagrees with, particularly relevant subjects in an academic setting?
"On what libertarian principles can you claim that there’s a right to public financing of an academic agenda?"
The whole point of college is to examine subjects and theories. There shouldn't be a political orthodoxy imposed from partisan politicians. If you want to debate public funding of colleges, that's a different subject entirely.
The number of false or even evil philosophies and movements (Stalinism, Nazism, or the Inquisition, for example) that colleges and high schools examine are legion. What is so special about CRT that it is worse than those?
"And, if that’s your stand, can Professor Hilter teach The Tenets of National Bocialism 101?"
You seem to be mistaking the individual teaching a theory and the theory itself. The tenets of National Socialism are taught all the time. It is a loathsome theory, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be taught or that it lacks academic or intellectual value. Is CRT worse than National Socialism?
So nobody should complain about public money being used for classes that support the ends of national socialism? Because that’s actually what people are bitching about. And if opaquely activist “gender” or “ethnic” studies classes that exist to raise a critical consciousness in a very specific way are required courses, That’s not exactly the intellectual diversity you’re trying to sell here.
And where does catering to other forms of knowing with public funds end? Creationism ok? The cutting fringe of holistic remedies?
Critical theory is just divisive activist horse shit made up 5 minutes ago to fulfill an agenda.
CRT is designed and taught to indoctrinate, not inform. There’s a big difference.
Wow, you have no idea what CRT is. It's a means of assessing history, not a subject to be taught. And a pretty high-level theory, which is why it isn't taught in K-12 schools.
It is completely wrong and fundementally weak, like its older cousin, critical theory, but it definitely isn't what you think it is.
Great man historical theory is still used by some to frame historical events, even though it is even weaker than CRT. But it is the same thing: a weak theory that a small minority if people actually use to assess history.
Ctrl+f 'ban': 6 results.
So, huh, you said "ban" 6X but then say the groups can exist on campus like any other student group.
Old FIRE (Foundation for Individual Rights in Education): Cancelling contracts selectively and without notice is discriminatory and, repeatedly in the same way across several campuses is worrisome.
New FIRE (Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression): Not giving is taking.
Fucking communists, I told you so.
A Florida Bill To Censor Professors Just Got Even Worse
This title is interesting in line with Reason’s other article about Republican Censors Pouncing On Federal Employees Too Hard!
The Professors aren’t actually censored. Per the article, they’re free to speak at and participate in student groups, or on their own time and without University funding.
Of course, no public funding of Universities would be optimal from a libertarian standpoint, but that’s not what Reason or FIRE is arguing. Not even a whiff. Just straight up “Critical Race Theorists and various other academic frauds and crackpots (of certain stripes) are owed taxpayer dollars until proven otherwise.”
Fuck you, cut spending.
Sponsored speech is not free speech. These professors and students are free to talk about this stuff on their own, but the state isn't legally compelled to fund and platform it. Quite the double standard to get upset about this while constantly supporting social media censorship. It's almost like Reason lacks principles and only cares about how it effetheir tribe.
As a side note, any teacher who wants to uncritically teach DIE, CRT, or any other version of woke commie totalitarianism should be fired.
Why not ban all worthless bullshit? Why stop at CRT?
Ban all astrology classes for starters.
Ban all theology. The biggest load of bullshit in human history.
Ban Home Ec too.
That's a start, Ronnie. Let's see if you have a pair.
Wait, I didn’t follow the Home Ec one. Please explain.
He-Men don't take Home Ec.
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So, you meant ban all worthless bullshit and unmanly subjects?
Turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
You could always teach a course on sodomizing young children. I’m sure you have an honorary doctorate from some of your more ‘progressive’ friends.
In case you ever finally get accepted to Dog Dick Community College, shreek, here's some protips for you: they don't teach astrology, theology or home economics in colleges and universities. Seminaries and divinity schools award theological degrees ("religious studies" isn't theology even in the few schools where its a declarable major), home economics classes used to be taught in junior high and high school and haven't been a thing in about 30 years, and astrology hasn't been taught in any school at any level since the renaissance.
Speaking of bans, remember how you got your original Sarah Palin's Buttplug account banned from Reason.com for posting dark web links to hardcore child pornography?
University of Florida courses in Religion:
https://religion.ufl.edu/courses/syllabi/
How many are required for gen ed?
How many administrators do they have to make sure religious prognosticators get into hiring decisions?
Is that studying Religions or a specific Religion, there is a difference.
"Studying religion is the same thing as religious indoctrination"
Wait until Mike finds out all the things they study in criminology. In Mike's world it's the exact same thing as being a criminal.
Everytime I think Mike can't get any dumber, he shatters expectations.
HO2 still takes the cake.
Oh, and greetings Tulpa, my brother in Christ.
I thought I was Tulpa. Man, what a let down.
I'm the real Tulpa. Sarckles said so last week.
We are all Tulpa.
We are all Tulpa. Tulpa is legion.
Now wait..Astrology is taught in every Economic department under the guise of Keynsian Economics..come on even corn pop knows that.
Without Home Ec, how are wimmenz like ENB supposed to cultivate their sandwich making, and pie baking skills?
So, you are saying to ban most economics departments teaching the Pedo Keynesian astrology? Which is what Keynesian economics is..astrology. Ok let's do that.
Easier: We, the state legislators of the great state of Florida, being of sound mind and body, hereby end all funding of universities.
^This
Want to push warmed-over Nazi racial theories but for a different team? Do it without state funding.
Ending the DIE bureaucracies, at least, seems appropriate for public institutions.
You secular fascist!
Understatement of the year.
Oh, hell. Wingnut World is going to go nuts:
The Federal Reserve said Wednesday it will launch its long-awaited instant payment service FedNow in July.
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The instant payment network will settle payments in seconds, with the capability to support consumer-to-consumer, consumer-to-merchant, merchant-to-merchant, and bank-to-bank transactions.
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"With the FedNow Service, the Federal Reserve is creating a leading-edge payments system that is resilient, adaptive, and accessible," said Tom Barkin, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond and the FedNow Program's executive sponsor.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/federal-reserve-to-launch-instant-payment-service-fednow-in-july-210022218.html
ITS THE NEW WORLD ORDER SATANIC BABY EATIN' GLOBALISTS !
Sounds like the kind of thing would be more of an issue for the cryptocurrency payment processors for purveyors of hardcore child pornography on the dark web, but feel free to let us know when the wingnut boogeymen hiding in your closet jump out.
Serious question, Buttplug.
Do you think that this is a good thing? Or were you just taking a cheapshot?
Time to go on record.
Remember turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
This bill is bad policy but it is not "unconstitutional" and you weaken your argument against it by saying so.
Simply put, the government is allowed to control what it says in its own name. Public schools are an arm of the government and the teachers and professors at those public schools are employees of the government. What they say on the job is entirely with the proper scope of their employer to define or limit.
If you don't like that outcome (and there are good reasons not to), the right answer is to get government out of the business of education.
LOL
What they say on the job
On the job, on campus, and/or with school resources or authority. They shouldn't expect to be able to post "The University of Florida is hereby unenrolling all black students and refusing to accept any new black students, zeroing out black student enrollment going forward." even as a joke after hours and from home without consequences as an employee of U of F or even otherwise.
It certainly shouldn't be criminalized and they should not be assaulted because of it, but the 1A nor the Constitution at large very much does not guarantee someone employment regardless of any and all douchebaggery. Free association is not the same thing as free speech and one doesn't inherently trump the other.
"Public schools are an arm of the government and the teachers and professors at those public schools are employees of the government. What they say on the job is entirely with the proper scope of their employer to define or limit."
This is the key to this issue. Florida is not limiting Constitutionally protected free speech, rather, it is limiting government speech.
He's dangerous. I argued a while back about not funding anything . DeSantis wants to control speech, to regulate it. He's using CRT to get his foot in the door.
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Hey there sarcasmic! Rape your daughter lately?
The orderlies won't let him.
I'm actually surprised he's got computer access on a weekday.
So does Yer Perfect Mother, Mother! While wearing combat boots on her many-many snoots! Snoots in Boots, they call her!
I have a hard time believing that as I don’t believe he has children.
Seriously, I think he made up having a family. And it wouldn’t shock me if he was mostly homeless.
DeSantis has a good foreign policy take...
Interplanetary policy ass well; all is swell, under DeSatan! To infinity and beyond!
https://reason.com/2022/09/27/for-florida-gov-ron-desantis-political-stunts-are-more-important-than-substance/ and https://reason.com/2022/09/21/are-ron-desantis-migrant-flights-legal/
Ass POTUS, DeSatan will be forcing USA taxpayers to trick and ferry billions upon brazilians of sub-Brazilians from Brazil to Botswana, and to deport illegal sub-Martians from Mars to Uranus! Ass long ass the illegal Martians SUFFER-SUFFER-SUFFER, red-meat-hungry socons and troglodytes will be DELIGHTED to spend those extra tax dollars! Butt I for one think that illegal Martians are intelligent beings, too, and hope that they will NOT suffer on Uranus, from too many foul odors, etc.!
Postmodern nazi bitches (like Bob and Emma) mad.
Eat lead, you clumps of cancer.
You have no clue what I'm saying, do you?
"He’s dangerous."
"DeSantis wants to control speech"
Nice that you supposedly want to get Daddy Gov out of education, but shitty mind reading to bOaF sIdEz the issue is a tell.
If it's something other than Floridamanbad, then no. I don't.
Sorry shreek, your religion doesn't get any special preference to be taught in public schools above all the others.
Agreed. Did you read what I wrote?
He’s using CRT to get his foot in the door.
And then, almost a century after the Germans elected Hitler Chancellor for no particular reason at all, Americans elected DeSantis President for no particular reason at all.
“Sure, we knew he’d kill 12M Jews, but it didn’t matter. We were talking about CRT, here. The Ebonics of the 21st Century! 12M Jews’ lives is meaningless in comparison!” – Bob1062
Ron DeSantis is using CRT to take over the world and ensure that, if you're going to learn CRT, it's on your own dime.
Good God are you guys retarded.
Yes. That's exactly what I said. Moron.
And I'm the retarded one?
And I’m the retarded one?
Yes. You asked Wilfredo Cuperus if he’d read what you wrote, but it didn’t matter. You hadn’t read it in any way that really mattered. If you had, the abject stupidity would be obvious and you would be ashamed to make the statement you did in earnest in front of anyone older than about 8-yrs.-old. Retarded is the generous supposition.
Edit: Seriously, I want to hear the rationalization. State it out at length for us. What is it? Ron's plan to win the Presidency is to ride out a movement he doesn't control and that could change directions or simply move to a different state tomorrow? Ron secretly colluded to start a grass roots movement within Disney to push back against his bill to elevate it to a national stage. I wanna hear this retarded conspiracy theory. I've gotten tired of the modern day ones that are so viable they turn out to be true. I need to hear something more along the lines of curving bullets and jet fuel can't melt steel.
>>curving bullets
bring the arm down like you're pulling a windowshade and snap the wrist right when you fire.
"almost a century after the Germans elected Hitler Chancellor"
Hitler was not elected to Chancellor. Hindenberg won an election against Hitler in March 1932 for the presidency. Later in that year, the nazi's won the largest number of seats in the elections for the Reichstag (there were two elections). The nazi's won far more seats than any other party, but they did not win 50%, so they did not get the Chancellorship and therefore would have to partake in a coalition government. Several Chancellors were appointed by Hindenberg, but neither of them could control the Reichstag. The second one, von Papen, convinced Hindenberg to appoint Hitler as Chancellor, and von Papen as vice-Chancellor. The circle of advisors around Hindenberg convinced the President that the minority parties would be able to effectively thwart the excesses of the nazis. So Hindenberg appointed Hitler to the Chancellorship. It was thought by the political elites at the time in Germany, as well as many of the diplomats in Berlin, that a government run by the nazis would not last a year.
The Reichstag fire occurred 4 weeks after Hitler assumed office. After the fire, Hilter convinced Hindenburg to issue the "Reichstag Fire Decree". This is what terminated civil liberties in Germany and gave the nazis a free hand. It was the actions of Hindenberg that sealed the power of the nazis.
So now it's DeSantis and a few rabid conservatives against literally thousands (nationally) of college professors and administrators, all seeking to control speech, but not quite agreeing on which words are mean.
If you conflate discussing academic theories with controlling speech, you aren't being honest.
So he’s horning In on the democrats party’s monopoly on sensor ship and speech control?
No, DeSantis just isn’t going to sit back and be a punching bag for the left. The days of the ‘aw shucks, that not fair’. Republican doormat are coming to an end.
Haven't read it, but if it is pisses off the D.I.E. crowd, then I'm all for it.
I wonder what shitty hot-take this post used to be.
Something with even less substance than the edited result, no doubt
Just when you think it can't get any worse, IT DOES!
What is unconstitutional about state government regulating the curriculum at state government universities?
Absolutely nothing. And Emma should know this.
Well, her degrees are from a woke Virginia college, not a Florida one, so - - - -
Once again, we have a libertarian dilemma. For the past few decades, activists on the left have coopted academia, and now demand that certain ideas, words, and groups be banned, and a decidedly ideological agenda be taught. We might hope we can just tell them to quit it, but when that doesn't work, we can either let them continue to amass power, or we can support a less-than-libertarian antagonist.
There is no "dilemma". In a libertarian society, there is no tax-payer funded education and no government certification of schools.
As long as we have those, taxpayers and legislatures decide what is taught in those schools and universities.
We'll never live in a libertarian society. The most we can hope for is respect for the free exchange of ideas.
DeSantis and cultural conservatives are adamantly opposed to that, so Florida is off the table.
And for the "Ds are worse" crowd, you'll have to give me examples of legislative action that bans academic inquiry.
I mean that sincerely. I'm not aware of any D-controlled state legislatures passing laws that ban ideas from academic discussion, but I'm sure there have to be some examples.
Bullshit. DeSantis and cultural conservatives, as well as actual libertarians, are adamantly opposed to using tax payer dollars to subsidize the spread of intolerant, authoritarian, and fascist ideologies.
D-controlled state legislatures do something much worse: they specifically subsidized the spread of intolerant, authoritarian, racist leftist and fascist ideologies with government money.
That is what you are advocating too, Nelson.
That a bunch of victim blaming bullshit. The left are the clear propagandist aggressors here. Period.
You can’t teach about diversity, equity or inclusion in any class? What about diversity of thought? What if you had a class where you compared classic liberalism with populism, conservatism, facism, theocracy and libertarianism.
DeSantis would want that banned because it would make his theocratic populist leanings look bad. See the Iran example:
https://www.populismstudies.org/Vocabulary/theocratic-populism/
Correct. He wants to control speech.
By not funding racism in universities? Seems like a weird method.
Not racism. Not by any rational definition.
Racism is prejudice, stereotyping, and discrimination against individuals or groups based on their race or ethnicity. That is exactly what DEI and CRT teach and advocate.
Great, new sock puppets for shit I've greyed out.
Guys, just stick to your regular accounts. Some of us don't want to read the trolling and mute you. People who are dumb enough to fight you will leave you unmuted.
No, he doesn't want to control speech.
He wants schools and universities to deliver the kind of education that Florida tax payers are paying for.
A Florida education is substandard, nationally, so they definitely aren't getting what they paid for.
And it's interesting that you think that a majority of Florida taxpayers support government restricting academic inquiry. Support for DeSantis doesn't equate to support for everything DeSantis believes or does.
People aren't limited to 100% support or 100% opposition. That's a mistake cultural conservatives often make (along with mistaken belief that loud, angry shouting and threats at school boards means they have widespread public support).
In the 2021 Education Week Quality Counts report, Florida was ranked 12th overall for education, with a grade of C+. It received a score of 74.8 out of 100 in the report's overall rankings.
California was ranked 37th overall for education, with a grade of C-. It received a score of 68.5 out of 100 in the report's overall rankings.
Hopefully, as DeSantis reforms Florida's educational system, it will rank even higher. The US really needs to eliminate public sector unions and "free speech" for all public employees as part of their job duties.
You’re operating from the belief that CRT and DIE are legitimate areas of study, They’re not. Your insistence to the contrary betrays your underlying partisan Marxist philosophy.
What if you face justice soon?
Exaggerating an opposing position and then attacking that exaggeration is know as a fallacy of relevance, or a straw man argument. Try not to be so obvious next time.
What is DIE? NO one defines it but the left uses it to push for racial quotas, punishment for being "white" and ending free speech. It is just cultural marxism with tribalism used for wealth distribution (equitey). It is anti liberty and freedom. Reason should be at war with it..why are theynot?
It’s like ‘fair share’. They will never define it, but it means whatever they want, whenever they want it to.
Which is the whole point.
That isn't the diversity of DIE..come on now..it is cultural marxism pure and simple.
If to DIE is what they want , I say to DIE is what they deserve.
"...What about diversity of thought? What if you had a class where you compared classic liberalism with populism, conservatism, facism, theocracy and libertarianism..."
Yeah, what about if there was such an offering; hypotheticals need not apply, especially unlikely ones.
"...DeSantis would want that banned because it would make his theocratic populist leanings look bad..."
Was that strawman heavy? How far did you have to carry it?
"...See the Iran example:..."
You mean the 'Poisoning the Well" example?
You should do a bit more learnin' before making a public ass of yourself.
That is, correct, Lester75: voters are tired of people like you trying to indoctrinate children into fascism and racism in schools. That is why the Florida legislature is excluding fascism, racism, Marxism, and related topics like DEI and CRT from schools.
You are free to talk, teach, and be as diverse as you want to, Lester75, even though you are a fascist. You are not free to do so on the taxpayer's dime or as part of an accredited educational program.
"indoctrinate children into fascism and racism in schools"
Where and how is this happening? It isn't in the US.
"That is why the Florida legislature is excluding fascism, racism, Marxism, and related topics like DEI and CRT from schools."
DEI and CRT aren't related to any of those things.
"You are not free to do so on the taxpayer’s dime or as part of an accredited educational program."
If you have to ban academic discussion of ideas by law, someone is acting like a fascist. It isn't those discussing ideas, it's those banning ideas.
Of course it is.
DEI and CRT are neo-Marxist, racist, and overlap strongly with fascism.
Nobody is banning academic discussions of ideas. What Florida is banning is government subsidized teaching of DEI and CRT.
By the way, here is a list of common relations between CRT and neo-Marxism:
Power: Both CRT and neo-Marxism view power as a fundamental aspect of society and emphasize the ways in which it is distributed unequally.
Oppression: Both CRT and neo-Marxism view society as structured around systems of oppression that benefit some groups at the expense of others.
Social class: While CRT focuses primarily on the ways in which race intersects with other forms of oppression, both CRT and neo-Marxism view social class as an important aspect of power relations.
Capitalism: Neo-Marxist theory emphasizes the role of capitalism in perpetuating social inequality, while CRT focuses on how capitalism intersects with other forms of oppression.
Structural inequality: Both CRT and neo-Marxism view social inequality as deeply embedded in the structures of society, rather than simply a matter of individual behavior or attitudes.
Social construction: Both frameworks view social categories, such as race and gender, as socially constructed rather than natural or inherent.
Hegemony: Neo-Marxist theory emphasizes the role of dominant groups in shaping cultural norms and values, while CRT views hegemony as a means of maintaining systems of oppression.
Resistance: Both frameworks emphasize the importance of resistance and social movements in challenging systems of oppression.
Your fellow travelers are teaching bigotry and racial hatred to children. DeSantis, and other patriotic Americans are putting a stop to that. So now you’re angry, so you come here to lie about it.
You can’t teach about diversity, equity or inclusion in any class?
Correct. These should be explicitly banned from any class or curriculum funded by taxpayers.
What about diversity of thought?
These teachings explicitly fight against diversity of thought. They crush diversity of thought. they shame and excoriate any who show diversity of thought. They need to be removed in order ot make room for diversity of thought.
Glad to see that you value diversity of thought and thus are probably on board with this measure. Nice to have allies!
Good!
Interesting
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1636080001089957888?t=ZBkLARDAe0b4i9BYwzMELA&s=19
It's only recently that I've come to fully appreciate how shockingly impoverished the popular understanding is of WWII, and how centrally this factors into present-day propaganda. Be honest: what percentage of the population do you think knows the first thing about any of this?
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I'm old enough that I know people who were there. Not sure how many young people are aware, but then, most of them know no history at all.
"I’m old enough that I know people who were there."
Me too. But even in the 90's this wasn't that well known. I wasn't taught anything about the expulsions till university.
I hope you also learned about the 'rearrangements' post WWI.
In that case, they moved borders to group perceived ethnic groups.
Post WWII, they left the borders alone and moved people, in the hopes of recreating pre WWI groupings.
Neither was 'pretty', but the Nazis had claimed governance over areas of other countries as a result of a (largely emigrated) German population (much as Russia is now claiming in portions of Ukraine) and the treaties attempted to avoid such claims in the future.
Pretty sure it was Judt's "Post War" which covered the issue.
And Operation KeelHaul-forcefully repatriating people back to the Soviet Union who didn't want to return. The Western Allies were afraid the Soviet Union would refuse to turn over British and American POWs they'd liberated from German camps, so they rounded up Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Latvians, Cossacks, all kinds of people who were happy to be out from under socialist rule. Some of had them found that serving as forced laborers under the freaking Nazis had been a quality of life improvement over living in the USSR. But they were forcefully rounded up and sent back so they could be executed, send to the gulags, or reconscripted into a socialist society.
Reminds me of one of the worst cases of concern trolling ever: Bob Grant on the radio slamming Soviet Jews for saying they wanted to emigrate to Israel (which they could get permission for) when they intended to relocate from there to the USA.
I don't think you'll find a lot of sympathy for the expulsion of ethnic Germans post-WWII. And this has been a good thing in the long term, giving them a better home (in Germany) and avoiding never-ending ethnic conflicts in the areas where they were living. How do you think those ethnic Germans would have been treated in the areas that Nazis just flattened and destroyed?
Thus interesting...
Which means making decisions on who we are well- or ill-disposed toward and on presumed utilitarian outcomes, not on principles.
"We" aren't making these decisions at all. Meaning, your views on this as a 21st century libertarian are irrelevant to these decisions since you aren't making them.
These decisions were made nearly a century ago by a lot of different nations, nations who chose to expel groups who had settled there against the will of the people living in those nations in the first place.
most people cant even name the allies and axis members.
I want to agree with the hard line libertarian viewpoint, BUT the question in hand comes down to "Who pays?". A student group supported entirely by it's own activities and not some "student activity fee", fine, let them espouse leftist BS. But a class that is underwritten and has the imprimatur of the university and thus the state.... not so fast.
Nuance matters.
Does that include College Republican groups and those pushing religious exceptionalism (called "religious freedom" by the preferenced groups)? How about pro-life groups?
The idea of restricting people based on their ideas and beliefs should frighten everyone. If it happens to groups you dislike, it can happen to those you like. It's not an obscure or unproven idea.
And freedom (including academic freedom) is worth defending, even if you hate what people do with it.
Luckily, that's not happening.
Professors are employees, and they must conform to the rules under which their employer operates. For a public university, that ought to mean that they can't use their jobs for political activities or political indoctrination of students. If they violate those rules, they should get fired.
"Academic freedom" does not and should not give people a fig-leaf under which to hide government-sponsored political indoctrination.
The fact that you favor government-sponsored political indoctrination makes you an authoritarian and it makes you wildly illiberal.
DEI is utter horseshit designed by remedial morons playing out the Peter Principle in real-time.
Let it all burn to the ground because there's no reforming this madness.
Oh look, another DeSantis article at Reason. Seriously, do you guys have a quota or something? And I'm little surprised that you haven't touched on Newsom going after Walgreens?
From a libertarian perspective, shouldn't a governor going after a corporation for political reasons be a bit more important than this? I mean you covered the Disney vs. Florida fight so why not this?
It was revealed yesterday Newsome's wife's charity has some super suspect ties to SVB that are looking pretty grafty...
BUT OMG, LOOK OVER THERE! DESANTIS WON'T FUND RACISM, the bastard.
Reason: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnX5wci404&ab_channel=VeeXXL
I think that kind of reporting is a bit above little Emma’s pay grade.
Luckily, they'll get all that graft money back, courtesy of Biden and US tax payers. /sarc
US tax payers have the pleasure of paying for this multiple times, in fact! First, when tax dollars were turned into graft to her charity, and now, after SVB crashed, in the bailout.
(And if you want to nit-pick and claim that this is just FDIC funds, go ahead and pick nits, and then realize that it is still going to come out of the pockets of taxpayers by any other name.)
Exactly.
FDIC will jack up rates on all banks to refill the alleged trust fund, then banks will raise fees and interest rates received, and lower interest rates paid, and recover the "contributions" from their customers, who are taxpayers.
A long and winding road, but fundamentally, all money spent by the federal government comes from the citizens.
That is an excellent encapsulation of how insurance works. Any insurance. Car, home, business, FDIC, etc.
Making it sound sinister is weird, especially since there hasn't been a rate hike.
If you don't like that your bank is pre-funding a potential rate hike by the FDIC, choose a bank that waits until there is actually a hike.
Just because something eventually touches someone who is also a taxpayer doesn't make it "taxpayer funded". By that definition, everything in existence is "taxpayer funded".
Insurance companies pay out the contractually agreed amounts. In the case of SVB, that is a maximum of $250000 per depositor.
The abuse that people are complaining about is that the FDIC will be paying out higher amounts in order to make Biden's donors happy, yet the cost will be spread over ordinary bank users.
You are missing the point here. FDIC insurance isn't voluntary, it's a government mandate and a monopoly. The FDIC handout to the SVB account holders is a politically motivated favor that violates the purpose of the FDIC. And the rate hikes that people will suffer for this politically motivated handout are again unavoidable because the FDIC is mandatory and a monopoly.
Why would you be surprised?
Why would you expect a libertarian perspective from Reason?
^ the answer is yes, they have a quota.
Little Emma Camp finding her niche. It isn't defending trannies grooming kids (Scott), it isn't open borders (Nick), it isn't abortion (ENB), it isn't the exacting boringness of cosmo land (Matt) but attacking anyone who exposes the bullcrap of DIE ("diversity, inclusion, and equity" is never defined by the left since it is just cultural marxism with tribal distribution of stuff based on sunk costs or more likely imagined sunk costs).
CRT is political indoctrination as is DIE. It has no place taxpayer institutions. Reason's real issue with DeSantis is trannies grooming kids..be honest that is what it is. Taking the side of degenerates who push sexual mutilation of confused kids. Disgusting Reason...
Murdering babies, raping young children, and surgically mutilating their genitals is tote libertarian.
More ?blessings? of Commie-Education.
Funny how Reason cannot seem to approach that fact.
If you're going to have Commie-Education; you waive/conquer Individual Rights for Commie-Control.
SVB's management seems to have a lot to answer for and (if I were a stockholder - ha,ha) I'd be calling the Barnes Firm:
"SVB donated $73M to Black Lives Matter movement, social justice causes"
[...]
"Silicon Valley Bank, which collapsed on Friday after a classic bank run, donated more than $73 million to groups related to the Black Lives Matter movement, online records show..."
https://nypost.com/2023/03/15/svb-donated-73m-to-black-lives-
Wherein we learn three things:
1) OK, BLM wasn't shown to be a scam until later, but any bank management should be familiar with "due diligence"
2) SRG hardest hit (perhaps there are other issues involved in bank failures; fuck off arrogant twit)
3) NYP web site rivals Reason's as one of the worst anywhere on the web; think you've clicked on that or copied it? Think again after it jumps up and down.
If I had a nickel for every "Bill would flay children and use their skins to bind the Necronomicon." story out there, I could buy Twitter.
Isn't that the declared objective of progressive child policies? I mean, what do you think they are doing with all the body parts they harvest from transgender surgery on children? /sarc
Spirit cooking?
The problem isn't the content itself. Loathsome as I may personally find it, it's not my (and it's certainly not the State's) place to say, "Ban that content." The problem is A) the lack of transparency from the schools, and B) the lack of any graduated education on the subjects. (That is, on this CRT/LGBTP garbage, we're doing the mathematical equivalent of teaching calculus before we've taught addition. The subject matter is inappropriate based on the failure to build of educational foundation needed to develop the proper maturity to understand/appreciate what's being taught.)
You want a better bill? A capitalist approach? Give the teachers summer homework. If they want to teach in the fall, they have to spend their summer drafting a syllabus, broken down daily, for the school year. Subjects, topics, books, media, guest presenters - everything they plan to do for that year. And then they have to give that syllabus to parents a month before the first day of school, and the parents have to sign off on it. If the parent won't, then their child is placed in a different classroom, or school, or (if public schools are exhausted) a voucher for a private school of their choice. If nobody wants their kids in his class after reading Racepimp McGroomer's syllabus, then the school becomes forced to reconsider whether he should be a teacher there.
The State doesn't need to be in the business of banning anything. What they can and should do is ensure that their school's product is met with consumer approval. And if it's not, then they can either adapt appropriately, or watch their student body - and their public funding - disappear.
eliminate all public run schools and public funding for schools.
then, yeah, go for it , do whatever you want with your own money and time.
Well, I mean, we both know that's never going to happen. Short of some massive event that fundamentally transforms the nation, it's here to stay and if we're going to figure out a realistic solution we've got to work with that as an established premise.
So, as I said, take it from a capitalist perspective. Let the people consuming the product weigh in on the value of a teacher, based on what that teacher has committed to writing what they plan to teach their students each year.
""The problem isn’t the content itself.""
Having attended many DEI sessions, I don't think that's totally true. The content is considered beyond question. If you question it, you become an example of the problem. They will tell you in the training to question things, but if you question them, it's a problem.
Some of the content is not well defined. Check out the "Traits of White Supremacy" and tell me how it makes sense. No one has really been able to explain it. For example, adherence to the written word is in the list. What does that mean? I wanted to ask if that applied to agency policy. Same thing with timeliness. Does that mean if I have a white boss that requires me to be on time a white supremacist action? What if my boss is black and expects the same thing? That slide seems to set a division for what white people can do and what non-white people can do since the traits as a form of supremacy seem to only apply to whites.
Well that's a fair point, of course. It's kind of like when the football coach is substituting for the history teacher, and when a kid questions something the coach replies, "Look, I don't know, that's what the book says OK? Now shut up or go run some laps."
But I also think that's addressed by my proposal. If "Traits of White Supremacy" is on the syllabus, each parent could engage in the analysis you just did and come to the conclusion, "Hard pass. Put my kid in a different classroom."
If one teacher is getting overwhelming requests for student placement, while the DEI teacher is getting none, it then gives the school an objective metric for hiring (and firing). The ranks get filled up with parent-accepted teachers, and the fringe lunatics become unmarketable.
Free market principles.
Proponents of DEI are the ones really controlling and censoring speech by pushing DEI - which puts forth an unquestionable ideology that they demand everyone to pledge allegiance too. I don’t think hand-wringing over DeSantis is the right move when we should be screaming about the Feds pushing Ideology (CRT isn’t taught as theory but fact).
“diversity, equity, and inclusion.” are lies used to divide people by sex, religion, age, color and class. It is destructive. Reason supports dividing America.
+1000000
Can't have *FEMALE* Gov-Gun *empowerment* with Individual Rights for all.
Can't have *BLACK* Gov-Gun life's that matter with Individual Rights for all.
Can't have *POOR* Gov-Gun *entitlements* with Individual Rights for all.
Every nation that sold/setup their government (monopoly of Gun-Force) structure as [WE] mob RULERS democracy has had exactly ^that^ kind of Power-Mad identity-affiliations form in it's societies.
Because when the 'government' doesn't have LIMITS it always ends up being the very PEG of survival (Guns) in a Conquer and Consume environment. The very core reason Socialism DOES NOT work.
"Democracy" doesn't ensure anyone any Individual Rights or Justice at-all. That is exactly why the USA was founded as a Constitutional Union of Republican States. Ignorance of that Constitution is exactly how the Nazi's conquered the USA.
Hitler didn't invade Germany --- The ideology of [Na]tional So[zi]alism did.
Everyone knows the 1A only applies to state employees and politically reliable major corporations. Disney has rights, Citizens United, Inc does not. Professors have rights; you have to be stopped from spreading 'misinformation'.
Just one more argument in favor of terminating with extreme prejudice the government ownership and operation of "education" in America. The old saw about all of us benefiting from an "educated public" rusted out long ago. I cannot point to a single public benefit from the products of public education at any time in the last century and I doubt that you can either. If parents want to educate their children concerning radical wokism, let them pay for it. I don't want to.
This is, hands down, one of the most ignorant comments I've ever read anywhere online. Many adults you deal with on a daily basis were educated by public schools. Doctors, nurses, police officers, fire fighters, small business owners, middle managers, literally every facet of society. But no, not a "single public benefit" to universal K-12 education. You are a fucking idiot.
lol... UR a joke. Funny how every non-government-establishment employer always requests experience over Commie-education isn't it... Only an f*cking idiot would chose a 20-year college grad student over a 20-year experienced professional for every single career you listed. It's common experience that 'public education' is an utter failure for career competency. It's all about 'status' symbols and it is loosing ground even at that.
no, he is right.
Classic normie understanding of how things work. "If government didnt do X how would X even happen?" lol
You are the one who is a dupe in need of real education.
"We dont need government to build roads. There's no benefit to government building the roads."
"this is hands down the most ignorant comment i've ever read anywhwere online. Everyone you know who went anywhere from their home today drove on a government build road! no benefit? please"
Many adults you deal with on a daily basis were educated
bydespite public schools.FTFY
Eliminate public colleges and universities.
Until then, if you take your money from the state you do what the state tells you. that's how it works now and how it will work with this bill.
Until then, if you take your money from the state you do what the state tells you.
I can't wait to see how this plays out in NY and CA.
it is already in play. In CA the schools have a full woke curriculum disseminated from Sacramento. they are fully under the control of the state. They have "decolonized" math for high schoolers and they actually canceled calculus classes because too many smart kids were making the non-smart kids look bad. Unreal.
it's the exact same thing. the state of CA absolutely determines everything their public schools/universities are allowed/required to teach.
the state of CA absolutely determines everything their public schools/universities are allowed/required to teach.
Umm . . . yay?
also
and prevents schools from funding programs that promote "diversity, equity, and inclusion."
yes, more of this. ban it ALL in every case where public dollars are being spent on it. everywhere.
Nothing in this article is "censorship", the author is a bleating sheep.
So let me see if I have this right.
When the government requests that Twitter take down posts and Twitter decides whether or not to agree to their request (often refusing the government), that is called "censorship".
But when the government passes laws that ban certain subjects from discussion and debate in academic courses, that isn't "censorship"?
Something seems off about that, but it's so subtle that it would take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Yes, that's sarcasm.
I'm not even diving into the whole "unconstitutional" thing, partly because I think it is completely constitutional and partly because I see it as a red herring that ignores the danger of government-mandated bans on intellectual and academic discussions in colleges.
Like the "taxpayers pay for it and the governor won his election so they all agree with content bans" foolishness, overreaching in your desire to paint an authoritatian like DeSantis as an *illegal* authoritarian weakens your argument.
He is doing wrong, but it is a wrong he isn't constitutionally prevented from doing.
What you're missing is that the faculty and administration of public universities are ALSO government employees, who are CURRENTLY engaging in the suppression of ideas the disapprove of and are promoting a fringe political and social agenda. They need to be opposed to BRING BACK freer exchange of ideas on campus.
It's not censorship for the government to not fund racist hate speech.
Can they ban it? No. Do they have to fund it? No.
This has basically hurt race relations and likely will give rise to Charles Manson's wet dream. Teaching that a race is inherently evil and the cause of all other people's problems is not tenable for a society.
"Teaching that a race is inherently evil and the cause of all other people’s problems is not tenable for a society."
If you believe this is what CRT says, you are clearly ignorant of what CRT is.
Methinks the lady doth protest too much. The little JeremyR knows of CRT likely hits a little too close for comfort.
"The legislation places restrictions on what faculty can teach and effectively eliminates tenure, making it easier to dismiss faculty who teach forbidden concepts. "
This right here is the end of American education. Anytime you are so scared of an ideal as to silence it whole cloth in institutions of so-called learning, you are doomed to mediocrity at best; and likely are sliding downward into nationalistic propaganda.
Truth is strong enough to stand to rigorous debate.
But we don't have rigorous debate now on most campuses. We have enforced conformity to the leftist-woke-postmodern-whateveryoucallit platform. DeSantis and others have decided not to cede the ground and fight back against that, using the tools at their disposal.
To force people not to talk about the thing you want rigorous debate over / demand rigorous debate to disprove, is the dumbest way possible to handle it. You have effectively silenced both yourself and the opposition.
Now nothing is learned / (dis)proved / nor resolved and the can gets kicked down the road in perpetuity. Great job, DeSantis.
So, the obvious way forward is for the leftist-woke-postmodern-whateveryoucallits to back down and allow open debate again.
" using the tools at their disposal."
That's not rigorous debate. I don't think you or DeSantis is capable of debate. You don't know what you're supposedly debating against - a whateveryoucallit platform. The tools at their disposal? Laws, courts and prisons.
a whateveryoucallit platform.
They really need to pick a name. How 'bout for this forum we just call them The Assholes. Let me know if they choose something else and I'll use it.
That’s not rigorous debate.
As I've pointed out, we don't have debate now. The Assholes control what may or may not be expressed on most campuses. I know you would prefer that everyone else just surrender the universities to The Assholes, but that's not going to happen outside of the Bluest areas. The normal people are going to fight back with the tools that are available. If you want real open debate and discussion on campuses, then The Assholes will have to stand down and allow it. Don't forget who the aggressors are here. The defenders under attack do not have the power to stop a fight—they can only fight back or surrender.
"They really need to pick a name. "
The various fields have names. You should learn them if you truly want to engage them in rigorous debate. But you don't. You prefer to rely on the state's police, courts and prisons to do your dirty work.
"we don’t have debate now."
That's your fault. You need to crack open a book and learn something about your interlocutors' ideas if you want to debate them. That means wandering into non-STEM areas of the academy.
"Truth is strong enough to stand to rigorous debate."
That's why it is threatening and has to be suppressed.
"you are doomed to mediocrity at best;"
Half of America is below average in intelligence. Mediocrity is a legitimate aspiration.
That’s why it is threatening and has to be suppressed.
Yes, that's why The Assholes must engage in censorship, silencing, and terrorism. Their positions are absurd and can't withstand examination in an open forum.
Mediocrity is a legitimate aspiration.
Perhaps someday you will achieve it. Good luck in your studies.
"Yes, that’s why The Assholes must engage in censorship, silencing, and terrorism."
Like DeSantis? I agree he is either threatened by these fields or glommed onto them out of political expediency.
Keep reaching for mediocrity.
We don't have to reach. We're soaking in it.
Is indoctrination part of free speech? Critical theory is not about discussing ideas it's about imposing an activist ideology on students and failing students who don't buy into it. The extraction of DEI is also about hiring criteria that schools have for faculty and staff that presently require candidates to be woke to be hired. As a libertarian I support the principle of separation of school and state. Unfortunately, that's a long way off. In the meantime, why shouldn't a government do it's best to represent the values of the taxpayers who are funding "public" universities and colleges? Doing that isn't unconstitutional, it's strongly supportive of the 14th Amendment.
"why shouldn’t a government do it’s best to represent the values of the taxpayers "
Because I don't trust them to and neither should you. Government seeks to expand the reach of the state. It is naive foolishness to believe that DeSantis is 'doing his best to represent the values of the taxpayer.'
Public universities are part of the state. That's why it is inappropriate for them to engage in political activism or indoctrination. And that is precisely what DeSantis is stopping.
You apparently want taxpayer dollars to be used for political indoctrination, and not just any political indoctrination, but indoctrination into ideologies that are hostile to liberty and the foundations of this country.
"That’s why it is inappropriate for them to engage in political activism or indoctrination. "
Universities have been engaged in political activism and indoctrination since they appeared some thousand years ago.
"but indoctrination into ideologies that are hostile to liberty and the foundations of this country."
I understand that some teaching is threatening to you and you fear it. Your task is to come up with a better teaching of your own rather than threaten the jack booted thuggery of the state against those you disagree with.
You can't censor speech of professors at the college level at public universities. It will be struck on first amendment grounds almost immediately. Watch.
"You can’t censor speech of professors at the college level at public universities."
You don't need to censor them. All you need is for them to censor themselves. And they already do. Many here just don't like what they say.
Professors who don't agree with the whole Wokester agenda are being censored now, sometimes by violence. Why haven't DIE nonsense and ideology-based hiring and retention been "struck down"?
Well, universities were started by the Catholic church, and their officials were required to stick narrowly to church doctrine or face very serious conseqwuences.
Jack booted thuggery is what you advocate.
Personally, I'd like to see all public universities shuttered. But as long as they exist, their employees are subject to regulations by their employer, and that means requiring them to stick to exactly the subjects that they are hired for.
"requiring them to stick to exactly the subjects that they are hired for."
Typical statist response. Create a whole new level of publicly funded bureaucracy to police and punish professors in a typically statist jack booted manner.
"Personally, I’d like to see all public universities shuttered. "
I feel your pain. Trouble is when it comes time to shutter public institutions, universities may be the first, but they won't be the last.
It will be struck down.
So you are opposed to public higher education? At least you take one libertarian position.
I don't have anything against education. It's one way we can expand our potential and choices.
Keep reaching for mediocrity.
We don't have to reach for it. We're soaking in it.
There's no constitutional right for government funding for any particular political views and/or speech and/or university majors and/or university classes.
Nothing in this law purports to "ban" any private speech, just public funding of speech the Florida government doesn't want to be responsible for and which Florida taxpayers don't want to pay for.
This article is completely nonsensical, and some editor at Reason should've spiked it as left-wing partisan B.S. without even a veneer of either libertarian thought nor actual legal analysis.
Guys, get better standards. You don't have to publish everything anyone writes. At least apply a modicum of thought on the topic first.
As many others have pointed out, the libertarian question is why taxpayers are being forced to pay for "education" of any kind.
As far as I can tell, far from being a violation of the 1st amendment, these bans are just about mandated by the 14th amendment.
Government funded schools teaching outright racial supremacy and collective guilt? Openly and notoriously engaging in explicit racial discrimination? Even Jim Crow was more shy about its racism!
This is going to be struck down on 1st amendment grounds at the college level. Most of it would probably be grudgingly allowed to stand at the K through 12 levels. Just ban affirmative action i.e. discrimination in admissions and all other facets of public college life and call it a day.
We did that in 1964.
You LOST whatever credibility you had on the issue when you started this opinion be claiming the bill is poorly defined.
I thought seeing my handle on not my comment was a hoot. what would someone not me think I would say?
Without major reform of how we conduct elections, there will never be another Republican president. I doubt many Democrats are worried about losing the White House.