Review: I Saw Humans Working at the 'Automated' McDonald's
McDonald's invested in some spiffy new toys, but almost everything else stayed the same.

Recent reports of an "automated" McDonald's sparked some backlash: What will happen to the workers? It's a question they could pose directly to the employees at that franchise in Fort Worth, Texas, one of whom was confused when I told her I thought I'd found the automated location. "No, not this one," she said.
As it turns out, I actually was in the right place. McDonald's automated try-out isn't entirely eliminating human contact or human workers. There's still a drive-thru where you order and receive food from a living person. Inside ordering has been fully replaced by kiosks, but people still prepare and give you your food. The only way a customer can get an entirely non-human-contact experience is to order ahead on the restaurant's app, then pick up your food (still cooked by human beings) outside, courtesy of a conveyor belt.
This "automated" fast food restaurant with plenty of human workers is an apt metaphor for the panic around society's technological changes. McDonald's invested in some spiffy new toys, and most everything else stayed the same. That includes the taste of their M&M McFlurry, which remains superior to their dinner options.
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Nobody spoil it for Billy by telling him that most locations already have kiosk and app ordering and robotic drink machines.
I know, Binion is such a nudnik. Ordering kiosks have been around for a while.
Inside ordering has been fully replaced by kiosks
Yes lots of restaurants have kiosks nowadays, but this one appears to have solely kiosks for ordering.
Ohhhhh!
Binion, you didnt enter a fully automated version then. You simply entered one with kiosks. What the fuck.
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they had these in france 5 years ago
The fewer human hands that touch my food the better -- I'd like to see the cooking automated for sanitation purposes.
AI needs to get better to add spit to the food of cops.
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Opposite for me. Puts me off my appetite to see kitchen crew decked out in hair caps, masks, and gloves; makes the food seem medical and sterile. I want to see the pizza dough kneaded by a guy who looks like he could be named Guido. Want to see my croissant picked out of the cabinet by a smiling girl with pretty hands.
Liked the restaurant inspection system they had in NC when I was young, instead of one pass/fail standard they issued an A, B, or C that was prominently displayed over the counter. Someone like you could only go to "A" venues (which were the vast majority) and people who wanted the real thing could go to a B or C.
How long until the people demanding hikes in minimum wage demand bans on the automation that replaces workers who can't earn $15/hr?
I think these kiosks are part due to the increased minimum wage, and part due to people dropping out of the traditional work force during the pandemic / response. People who used to be minimum wage workers are doing gigs delivering for grub hub, etc.
What percentage of people do you think works for minimum wage? 20? 10?
Turns out it's between 1.5 and 3 percent, depending on if you count tipped employees and sales.
So there isn't a pool of minimum wage workers. Instead minimum wage is a stepping stone. The bottom rung of the ladder.
Raising it has the same effect as raising the ladder. It makes the ladder out of reach for young and otherwise unskilled workers.
That's why you no longer see fast food staffed primarily by teenagers anymore. They can't reach the bottom rung.
Plus, teenagers are lazy
You make some good points, sarcasmic.
I would add: There are a lot of different reasons people take minimum wage jobs. For instance, Moms/Dads who want some P/T income and need flexibility in scheduling. Others want convenience. Still others are unusually industrious. The point is: many valid reasons. I see it every day.
The point I'm trying to make is that minimum wage creates an incentive for automation because it's cheaper to spend six figures on a fancy machine than to take a loss on hiring a young person.
Most of the fast food placesoffer a minimal raise after 3 months of work. This raise is also effected by win wage increases. Likewise min wage increases effect the levels just above them. So yes, raising min wage effects an entire class in wages increasing costs of labor.
Likewise in countries with higher wages there is an increase in unemployment for teens. The left demands these jobs not be entry level for the young but a career option for families.
Yes min wage disrupts markets is multiple ways.
Stop downplaying it.
Your response to a comment of mine talking about minimum wage causing unemployment for young and otherwise unskilled workers is to accuse me of downplaying it?
Even when you agree with me you feel the need to lie. What the hell is wrong with you? Are you on medication for this mental disorder?
Because for Jesse it's personal. Every comment of yours (and mine) is just a stepping stone for him to attack and troll some more. It literally does not matter what the topic is.
“Even when you agree with me you feel the need to lie.”
It’s not personal and probably not lying. He often misunderstands whether Sullum or Tucille is for or against something. Gets confused by rhetorical devices like stating the opposing view before explaining what’s wrong with it, or listing possible excuses for some government action before ruling them out, or damning with faint praise. Since he’s an intelligent, educated person, it’s probably the result of reading with the mental thermostat set too high.
You give him too much credit. The comment "Stop downplaying it" was directed at me, not the author. It was a mendacious comment intended to elicit a defensive clarification which he would then intentionally misinterpret to elicit another clarification, wash rise repeat.
It was a personal lie because that's what he does. There's something seriously wrong inside his cranium.
Are you aware that this
He often misunderstands whether Sullum or Tucille is for or against something. Gets confused by rhetorical devices like stating the opposing view before explaining what’s wrong with it, or listing possible excuses for some government action before ruling them out, or damning with faint praise.
directly contradicts this?
Since he’s an intelligent, educated person, it’s probably the result of reading with the mental thermostat set too high.
Hey! Now you’re doing it to me!
I was suggesting he was miscontruing you the same way he does Reason authors. It could be just nastiness, but if so he does it to a lot of people.
And I don’t see a contradiction, smart people often do dumb things when they’re angry. It could even be he comes here to let out some cathartic outrage in a burst of unreasonableness, so that he can go back to some day job that requires being polite and understanding.
All I’m saying is that his “misconstruing” is far too consistent to be explained by anything other than malice or stupidity.
Unless you're suggesting he has a severe emotional disturbance. That is plausible.
It could be just nastiness, but if so he does it to a lot of people.
Jesse is a genuinely nasty person.
When I see the perennial "Mean People Suck" bumper sticker he sometimes comes to mind.
Ideas!
Agreed, but importantly IMO, employer and employee should be free to decide upon whatever employment contract that they wish, and there ought to be only very minimal restrictions on this (i.e., no contract murder).
When I said 'minimum wage workers', I should have said 'low wage workers', 'low skilled workers', or 'people who work for wages directly tied to the minimum wage'.
In any case I was not disagreeing with your point, just adding additional variables.
The only wages I know of that are tied to minimum are those of union workers tied to government crony contracts.
What am I missing?
Well, for instance, when I was in high school and college and I worked at Target, my wage was 'W=Mw + X', so I would be working for say, $2.50 over minimum wage. If the minimum wage went up $1, so did my hourly rate, even though I was still making over it.
When I tended bar for a restaurant, I was making the server minimum wage, plus $2/hr, and then because I was a trainer for that company, it was an extra $1 on top of that. When the server minimum wage was increased, so was my pay.
Learn something new every day. Thanks.
Kiosks predate the pandemic by a couple of years.
Plus, many places shut down kiosks during the pandemic because of the touch screen.
And the movement to raise the minimum wage also predates the pandemic by a couple of years.
There are people whose job is to determine at what wage is it cheaper to use a machine than to hire a person. They get busy every time there's a hike in the minimum wage.
I seem to recall the America's biggest econo-fascist, Liz Warren, calling for a tax on automation that replaces human labor.
Did you think it was going to happen all at once? As the tech improves people will be phased out.
It's a matter of cost. When automation costs more than people, then businesses will use people. When government artificially increases the cost of using people, then businesses shift to automation earlier than they otherwise might.
And then the robots will unionize, and demand better maintenance schedules, and synthetic lubricants.
Recent reports of an "automated" McDonald's sparked some backlash: What will happen to the workers?
Since when has any economically illiterate champion of “workers” held up a job at McDonald’s as something to aspire to?
They'll happily spin it both ways. If McDonald's (or really anybody) employs someone, it's exploitation. If McDonald's (or really anybody) releases someone from that "slavery" by laying them off, it's stealing that person's livelihood. Having enough money to employ people is by definition having too much money, and thus a crime in itself.
Oh well, this is good news I feel. It would be a catastrophe if McDonald's started downsizing its human employees, they must be giving jobs to an insane percentage of humans around the globe...
Good to know.
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