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Election 2020

Censured for 'Misrepresentations' About a 'Stolen' Election, a Former Trump Lawyer Insists She Never Lied

Jenna Ellis admitted that she made 10 false claims while representing the former president and his campaign.

Jacob Sullum | 3.9.2023 2:50 PM

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Two weeks after the 2020 presidential election, three Trump campaign lawyers held a bizarre press conference that laid bare the lunacy of the president's claim that systematic fraud had denied him a second term. Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani described an elaborate criminal conspiracy involving Dominion Voting Systems, tricky software, phony ballots, election officials across the country, George Soros, the Clinton Foundation, and "communist money through Venezuela, Cuba, and likely China."

Compared to Powell and Giuliani, the third lawyer, Jenna Ellis, seemed relatively sane, urging patience as the campaign's post-election lawsuits worked their way through the courts. But as Ellis conceded in a statement released on Wednesday, she joined Powell and Giuliani in making false claims about election fraud, even if she did so less frequently and flamboyantly.

In response to a complaint from the 65 Project, a group that seeks professional discipline of lawyers who promoted Trump's stolen-election fantasy, Colorado Presiding Disciplinary Judge Bryon M. Large publicly censured Ellis for violating a rule of professional conduct that prohibits "reckless, knowing, or intentional misrepresentations by attorneys." In the stipulation that accompanied the censure, Ellis admitted that she had made 10 "misrepresentations" while "serving as counsel for the Trump campaign and personal counsel to President Trump."

Even at that crazy press conference on November 19, Ellis gave Powell and Giuliani credibility by describing them as members of "an elite strike force team that is working on behalf of the President and the campaign to make sure that our Constitution is protected." She rebuked "fake news" organizations for assuming that the campaign had no evidence to support its fraud claims and promised it would produce that evidence in due course.

"Putting on evidence takes time," Ellis said. "This is basically an opening statement so the American people can understand what the networks have been hiding and what they refuse to cover, because all of your fake news headlines are dancing around the merits of this case and are trying to de-legitimize what we are doing here."

What were they doing? "Our objective is to make sure to preserve and protect election integrity," Ellis said. "This is about maintaining free and fair elections in this country. It is not about overturning an outcome. It is about making sure that election integrity is preserved, and every American should want that."

Without explicitly embracing Powell and Giuliani's conspiracy theory, Ellis intimated that something had gone horribly wrong in the way the election was conducted. "We have time, and we have constitutional provisions that will step in when we show the corruption and the irredeemably challenged and overturned votes that are absolutely corrupt in all of these counties," she said. "It is irredeemably compromised. We will show that, but you have to give us that opportunity."

The campaign never did manage to "show that." Its lawsuits, none of which actually involved Ellis as counsel of record, were almost uniformly unsuccessful, and their claims bore little resemblance to the fanciful story that the "elite strikeforce team" was telling. Powell's lawsuits, which she filed independently after the campaign severed its relationship with her, did incorporate elements of that tall tale, and they were an even bigger flop. She eventually disowned the "kraken" she had repeatedly insisted would demolish the belief that Joe Biden had won the election.

In June 2021, a New York appeals court suspended Giuliani's license to practice law, based on his "demonstrably false and misleading statements." Two months later, a federal judge in Michigan ordered sanctions against Powell and eight other pro-Trump lawyers, calling her litigation "a historic and profound abuse of the judicial process." Now it is Ellis' turn.

Ellis' misconduct went beyond her implicit endorsement of Powell and Giuliani's claims at the November 19 press conference. The next day, she appeared on the Fox Business show Mornings with Maria. "We have affidavits from witnesses," she said. "We have voter intimidation. We have the ballots that were manipulated. We have all kinds of statistics that show that this was a coordinated effort in all of these states to transfer votes either from Trump to Biden, to manipulate the ballots, to count them in secret."

On Newsmax the same day, Ellis insisted that "we know that the election was stolen from President Trump and we can prove that." The next day on Twitter, she said "we will present testimonial and other evidence IN COURT to show how this election was STOLEN!" Two days later on MSNBC, she declared that "the election was stolen and Trump won by a landslide."

In another interview with Maria Bartiromo a week later, Ellis reiterated that "when we subtract all the illegal ballots, you can see that President Trump actually won in a landslide." She was back again on December 3, saying "the outcome of this election is actually fraudulent" and "President Trump actually won in a landslide." In subsequent interviews and a tweet, Ellis falsely asserted that "we have over 500,000 votes that were cast illegally" in Arizona, described Trump as "the proper and true victor," and claimed to have "overwhelming evidence proving this [election] was stolen."

In a statement she posted on Twitter this morning, Ellis complains that "the politically-motivated Left" is "trying to falsely discredit me by saying I admitted I lied." Not so, she says: "I would NEVER lie. Lying requires INTENTIONALLY making a false statement." The rule she admitted to violating, she notes, refers to "conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation."

According to Ellis, a former Colorado prosecutor and defense attorney who has misrepresented herself as a "professor of constitutional law" and a "constitutional law attorney," she did not lie after the 2020 election. She just credulously accepted and repeated outlandish claims that she insisted were supported by "overwhelming evidence," even though that evidence did not exist, as she now concedes.

"The facts matter," Ellis declared at the November 19 press conference. "The truth matters." Except when it doesn't.

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  1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    Fatass Donnie's Crazy Train makes lots of stops.

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      I thought you'd get hard for the political prosecution of dissenters and dissidents. Because of course you would, you're a Nazi.

      1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

        Of course he’s a Nazi. They were perverts too.

        1. VendicarD   2 years ago

          You mean like spank me Donny and the two bit porn star?

          1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

            This is a lame sock, shrike.

          2. damikesc   2 years ago

            She, unlike the OP's preferences, was of age.

          3. Use the Schwartz   2 years ago

            Everyone laugh at the prude.

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      She can whisper election fantasies into my ear any time.

      1. VendicarD   2 years ago

        She is average in appearance and has a sub-par intelligence, like every other Republican who exists.

        1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

          She’s older than twelve, so she’s definitely not your type.

        2. Uilleam   2 years ago (edited)

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          1. Uilleam   2 years ago

            Side note: Has anyone else noticed that the women screaming the loudest for abortion rights and trans rights and all that other nonsense are the least likely to get laid?

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              "Lol who’s sock is this?"

              Shrike

              1. Wizard4169   2 years ago

                Yes, yes, it's sock all the way down, except for the bots.

            2. damikesc   2 years ago

              Yeah, I've noticed that.

              "I want access to abortion"
              "Don't think that will ever be a pressing need for you."

          2. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

            Here are a bunch of typical antichoice personhood-forfeiture nazi women: https://static.dw.com/image/63522326_906.jpg

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              Good for them. Now fuck off you bloodthirsty old ghoul.

            2. Uilleam   2 years ago

              FYI being a feminist doesn't guarantee you'll get laid.

            3. Uilleam   2 years ago

              Ya know, I'm still on the fence. But I appreciate the insight.

              https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/j8226v/latest_mugshots_from_antifa_rioters_in_portland/

              1. ducksalad   2 years ago

                #13 and #17 attractive if they went back to natural hair color.

                #1 is an innocent libertarian bystander, mistakenly arrested with the others.

    3. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

      Most of them in your head.

    4. Liberty Lover   2 years ago (edited)

      I’d rather support a fat ass than Demented Biden.
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      After Dementia Joe it my retirement accounts will probably run out before I die.
      Under fat ass we weren't sending billions to foriegn government to support wars.
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      Under fat ass our kids were learning, were not being sexualized and we knew what defined a woman,
      Under Demented Joe, the education scores are hitting historic lows, kids are being sexualized by their teachers and even a Supreme court judge that is a woman can't define her own sex.
      Talk about crazy train!
      Yeah, I would take fat ass any day over Dementia Joe.

      1. Wizard4169   2 years ago

        Trump's reckless, feckless "leadership" set the stage for Biden and left the GOP looking like a bunch of opportunistic hypocrites when they tried to oppose the Dems' excesses. Plus, many of Biden's worst policies are nothing but continuations of Trump's bad ideas. Choosing between Trump and Biden is like asking if I want to be punched in the right nut or the left. Where do I sign up for, you know, not getting punched in the nuts at all?

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  3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

    "In response to a complaint from the 65 Project, a group that seeks professional discipline of lawyers who promoted Trump’s stolen-election fantasy, Colorado Presiding Disciplinary Judge Bryon M. Large publicly censured Ellis for violating a rule of professional conduct that prohibits “reckless, knowing, or intentional misrepresentations by attorneys.”

    Until there’s an actual nationwide audit, there’s no validity to the claim that the election wasn’t stolen either.

    As a purported libertarian this obvious and horrific fascism should bother the hell out of Jacob, but it doesn’t. He revels in it.

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      There is no nationwide election so there will never be a nationwide audit.

      You got state recounts so fuck off with your crazy CT.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Recounts are facial audits. Imagine telling the IRS you added all the same numbers up again so the audit is over.

        1. VendicarD   2 years ago

          Adding up numbers is how elections are counted.
          A recount is a re-counting of the numbers.
          Imagine that.

          If only Americans could count.

          The world is laughing.

          1. Uilleam   2 years ago

            2/10

          2. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

            The world is laughing.

            And, between fits of laughter, taking the time to censure Biden because he’s an “imbecile”.

            Which would probably be funnier if he didn’t follow “the worst debacle NATO’s ever seen” with an even bigger one (or two depending on whether you consider Ukraine and NS1+2 to be two separate events or not).

            I mean, pretty much no matter what, that’s going to be his legacy: he botched Afghanistan (and domestic policy) so badly that even our own NATO allies, who depend on outsized US defense spending for protection, couldn’t help but laugh and convincing Vladimir Putin that NATO didn’t have the grit and cohesion to stop him from taking the Donbas. He will be regarded as a foreign affairs and military genius largely inferior to Jimmy Carter and there’s no amount of pressuring social media or ignoring Hunter Biden’s laptop that will prevent it any more than the Great Chinese firewall prevents every Chinese people on Earth from learning about the Tiannamen Square Massacre.

      2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

        There is no nationwide election so there will never be a nationwide audit.

        You’re deliberately conflating “nationwide” with “national”. There's a big fucking difference.
        And no. Recounts aren’t audits.

        You’re such a dishonest piece of shit, Pluggo.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

          Arizona conducted an audit.

          You lost two red states - AZ and GA. Game over.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Lol. You know nothing about the audit. The report, which wasn't a forensic audit, pointed out many avenues of probable fraud from tens of thousands of ballots without chain of custody to ballot harvesting.

            Try reading the report. Arizona law requires findings of intent. Last year the judge and Maricopa admitted to all of the election issues but the judge ruled no evidence of intent, not that it didn't happen.

            Ga found thousands of double votes, chose not to prosecute or investigate.

            Neither audit found no fraud you fucking idiot.

            1. VendicarD   2 years ago

              Of course there was fraud. Look at all the Republicans who were convicted of voting for Trump illegally.

              1. Uilleam   2 years ago

                Can you name one?

                1. John Burchardt   2 years ago

                  Trump's Chief of Staff, Mark Meadows.

                  https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mark-meadows-voter-fraud-trump_n_6262a659e4b0dc52f495b938

                  1. Uilleam   2 years ago

                    FYI that was a genuine question. I read your link. I'm not seeing anything about him voting illegally or being convicted. Have any other links?

                2. John Burchardt   2 years ago

                  If you can't read, here's a video exposing many other fraudulent goper voters:

                  https://news.yahoo.com/list-republicans-committing-voter-fraud-055950891.html

                  1. Uilleam   2 years ago (edited)

                    I can read fine thanks. So some rando railing about randos voting illegally with no links to convictions or details. I don’t know. Seems like minor petty bullshit with a political bent that would have no meaningful impact on the direction of this country. Serious TDS vibes from this. Fraud has occurred historically on both sides since forever. Abraham Lincoln manipulated the electorate to win. The problem is your implication that all the historically accurate markers pointing towards recent massive coordinated voter fraud is delusion. Stop being a tool.

                  2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                    So massive vote fraud only counts if it's Republicans doing it?

                    That's an awfully convenient belief system you have.

                  3. Nardz   2 years ago

                    Hey look, it's another leftist faggot with a death wish but no balls

                3. John Burchardt   2 years ago

                  GOP woman willing do whatever it takes to support her man!

                  https://www.businessinsider.com/wife-of-iowa-republican-accused-of-casting-23-fraudulent-votes-2023-1

                  You must be one of the special need #DATS.

                  1. Uilleam   2 years ago (edited)

                    Lol simp

                4. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

                  Scratch one muted Trumpanzee sockpuppet.

                  1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                    Scratch one senile bien pensant who thinks it's 1992 and libertarianism's biggest problems are the Moral Majority and explicit lyrics warnings on cassette tapes.

                  2. Uilleam   2 years ago

                    I'm sad

                    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      Hank is Sarcasmic's spirit animal.

                    2. Uilleam   2 years ago (edited)

                      "Hank is Sarcasmic’s spirit animal."
                      LOL!

            2. Nardz   2 years ago

              GA's signature disqualification rate also dropped from a 20 year average of 2% to 0.2%

          2. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

            The candidate for senator in Arizona investigated the election and found it pure!

          3. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

            Thanks to the screeching of mindless girl-bullying christianofascists America at least dodged the bullet that hit Germany 1933 to 1945.

            1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

              Take your meds.

              1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                The problem with Hank isn't the meds now, it's the ones he took in the 70's.

            2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

              It all goes back to the Comstock Act. Until the Libertarian Party stopped the girl bulliers in 1972. Since then libertarian moments have turned into libertarian hours. Or something.

        2. Nardz   2 years ago

          "There is no nationwide election so there will never be a nationwide audit."

          Cool.
          So let's have Florida election officials audit Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Minnesota.

    2. Brandybuck   2 years ago

      She claimed half a million illegal votes in Arizona. That's eight percent of the entire Arizona voter registration total. So if it were true there should be some evidence of it. Yet a thorough audit of the Arizona vote found no evidence of it.

      The kraken doesn't exist.

      1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

        The democrat candidate for senate conducted the audit.

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Brandybuck knows, but he's doing his best to forget that bit. He's picked his team.

          1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

            As long as Comrade Stalin counts the votes.

        2. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Governor*

      2. Azathoth!!   2 years ago

        She claimed half a million illegal votes in Arizona.

        That sounds about average for Arizona. They found around 300k illegal votes in 2022 BUT since no one could prove that they were cast with malicious intent, they just accept them.

        And if that isn't the most fucked up thing you ever heard.

    3. Tony   2 years ago

      Define stolen. The 2000 election was decided by 5 Republicans on the Supreme Court. By contrast, no evidence whatsoever of any significant wrongdoing was uncovered in 2020. It's literally, 100% whiny crybabies so mad they lost an election they attempted a violent coup. How do you sleep at night is the question.

      At some point the counting stops and the law decides the outcome. Sorry you lost. Worse luck next time.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        "By contrast, no evidence whatsoever of any significant wrongdoing was uncovered in 2020."

        There's shitloads of evidence, Tony Baloney. It's just being ignored.

        https://hereistheevidence.com/

    4. Joe Jonas   2 years ago

      What? If someone is claiming fraud, the burden of proof is on them to prove it. "Until you prove to me that there was literally no fraud, I'll assume the election was stolen" is an absurd position to take.

      1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

        It's absurd to require election processes to prove they are legit???
        Wow! This gets better all the time.

        1. Joe Jonas   2 years ago

          What proof would you possibly accept? Our elections are run by bipartisan commissions in each state. Prove to me you aren't controlled by space aliens, otherwise I'll have to believe you are.

          1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

            Stop prosecuting every claim to the counter and actually show a valid investigated reason live TV reported counts dropped and Governors changing methods by executive fiat? There's definitely something ILLEGAL about that. How come re-counts didn't match original count by 8000+ votes how does that just become a hand-wave away? After hours UN-monitored vote counting from cases under tables?

            There is a ton of VALID concerns to be fully explored by OUTSIDE investigation. Yet the only exploration occurring is prosecuting anyone who won't hand-wave them away.

            But let's just take a common-sense approach. When mail-in voting was first allowed; they argument to allow it was that it perfectly demonstrated in-person votes.... THAT factor of integrity was wildly violated in 2020.

            What proof would you possibly accept that the election wasn't secure? A picture of a space alien shipping doing ballot dumping on the white house?

      2. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        Yes, but that's a principle of logic.

    5. TJJ2000   2 years ago

      +100000000 Well Said.

    6. Wizard4169   2 years ago

      We've had audits. We've had recounts. We've had people with every incentive to find and expose fraud admit they found no evidence of the kind of systematic large-scale fraud necessary to "steal" elections. We've seen one nutbar after another claiming evidence of this massive fraud, but when it came time to put up or shut up, they all shut up. The only fraud we've seen is small, isolated incidents, and some of them involved Republicans so dedicated to finding fraud, they committed it themselves.

      But, at this point, you're so invested in your delusions that no amount of evidence would convince you, or at least get you to admit the truth. "Sure, we've looked behind 495 out of 500 hundred trees in this forest and found nothing, but that just proves Bigfoot is hiding behind tree 496!"

      Republicans keep on losing elections. Instead of whining about fraud with no evidence, maybe they should try offering better policies. Running candidates that aren't obviously batshit insane couldn't hurt, either. Given the dumpster fire that is the Democratic party, it really shouldn't be that hard to offer a more appealing alternative. Instead, all they offer is whining, lies and warmed-over Dem policies. I just wish we had some decent choice available.

  4. Nardz   2 years ago

    Ever hear of a "blood eagle", Sullum?
    Look it up.
    You deserve it.

  5. JesseAz   2 years ago

    Been amazing watching reason applaud censuring lawyers due to politics.

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      "The Libertarian Argument For Political Prosecutions"

      1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

        I do hope the fake libertarians get their turn at the wheel.

        1. Super Scary   2 years ago

          I am sure they truly believe they won't be the next group against the wall when the time comes.

    2. damikesc   2 years ago

      Especially when done by a specifically partisan group.

    3. Wizard4169   2 years ago

      Oh, woe is me! I'm so persecuted! Facing consequences for lying and parroting bullshit!

      Give me a fuckin' break. Yes, libertarians believe in free speech. We don't believe in the right to say things you know aren't true and expect nothing bad to happen to you. Real freedom always includes freedom to take the consequences of your actions, for good or ill.

  6. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

    In response to a complaint from the 65 Project, a group that seeks professional discipline of lawyers who promoted Trump’s stolen-election fantasy,

    That such a group even exists is pretty astounding.

    So, as lawyers, are they seeking to punish people, not employed by them, outside the existing/normal legal channels or are they asserting that the normal legal channels are fine except that they’re just not being executed?

    If these people were actually interested in the law and justice, shouldn’t there be like 5,000 (what's the significance of the 65 anyway?) of such organizations for the FBI, the CDC, the FTC, the FCC, the ATF, the DOJ, MI-6, FISA Courts, etc., etc., etc.? Seems exceedingly, even transparently, politically motivated that this “Project” exists at all.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      The 65 Project was three iterations prior to Hamilton 68.

      1. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

        As much as I’d like to be a Frequentist rather than a Bayesian, it gets hard when you reach into the hat blindly and pull out:

        [Stuart] Gerson [who sits on the 65 Project’s board] supported the Brady bill and was in office during the beginnings of the Waco siege. Janet Reno, President Clinton’s nominee for Attorney General, was sworn in on March 12, and he resigned the same day. Gerson’s last day at the Justice Department was March 19.

        The first Republican of a ‘bi-partisan’ organization to prosecute Trump lawyers for filing lawsuits which were largely tossed out prima facie is the AG responsible for the first half of the Waco Siege. JFC.

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago (edited)

          When they announced the Bipartisan January 6 committee, I was decidedly on the “Frequentist” side before I ever knew who was on it. What bearing that has on these blind hat-pulls, I know not.

          1. mad.casual   2 years ago

            Frequentist: Being blind and without prior assumption, we have to draw a representative number of names from the hat before we can get an accurate, certain description about everyone who's name may be in the hat.

            Bayesian: Being neither blind nor without prior assumption, I'm pretty sure I've got a good bead on exactly what's in the hat before I even stick my hand in but science and statistics aren't perfect, so I should draw at least one name.

      2. mad.casual   2 years ago

        LOL, thinking further;

        Western Civilization was founded to preserve the trans-Atlantic slave trade in 65 A.D. - The 65 Project

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago

      And... sure enough, looking at founding and their board, they were funded by a leftist political media activist and their board is chaired by out-and-out Democrats or "I supported the Brady Bill under Clinton until I had to resign after Waco." "Republicans".

    3. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

      None of these 65 project people had a problem with Kevin Clinesmith!

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        There are no rules, only weapons

      2. mad.casual   2 years ago

        Right. Fauci triggering a shit storm that tanks the economy, has near-literal "Papieren bitte!", "The Jews are hiding in that attic.", "Send them to quarantine camps without healthcare" Nazis crawling out of the fucking woodwork *nationwide*, and prompts *several states* to toss their own Constitutional election laws to the wind isn't a threat to democracy and/or didn't involve *any* lawyers who should be disbarred, but a handful of attorneys filing 65 lawsuits that were virtually all tossed out prima facie is Democracy teetering on the precipice.

        1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

          What are we to do with them?
          It’s not like there are laws
          or even “Nuremberg laws “ to deal with this.

          1. Beezard   2 years ago

            Can we just shave their heads and make them parade naked in front cameras ala WWII collaborators? Just a few of them? Fauci for sure. I think a few late night tv hosts for good measure? By Christmas maybe? I don’t ask for much.

  7. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    I've never heard of this Jenna Ellis person until now, but based on the picture, she looks like the type of woman that controversial commenter mad.casual suggested would cease to engage in "tumbling" and other gymnastic type activities after their 20s.

    Shorter me: would.

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      Were you in custody after the election?

  8. creech   2 years ago

    Almost sounds like Trump can now claim he was led astray by these lawyers on the issue of election fraud and can now sue them for malpractice?

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      Did he actually pay them?

  9. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago (edited)

    Given what happened to Kevin Clinesmith, nothing short of making sexual comments about a presiding judge while court is in session warrants censure by the D.C. bar.

  10. Azathoth!!   2 years ago

    Every 'conspiracy theory' has fallen by the wayside and STILL the leftists that have destroyed Reason magazine try to push the narrative that Joe Biden was actually elected.

    1. Nardz   2 years ago

      ^

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago

      And, again, even without the evidence of "show me which votes were transferred where", the broader case of "We have to violate our own election laws because of COVID." stands plain and clear.

      More than 50 yrs. of nitpicking about everything from examiners to voting requirements to grace periods between enacting laws and elections to pollling places, mail in ballots, and bussing from the county level to SCOTUS and back in a dozen states under the VRA '65 (ironically), all of it indirectly if not directly obviated in "two weeks".

      1. Tony   2 years ago

        Republicans were just as welcome to avail themselves of looser pandemic voting rules, except, and even I can't believe they were this fucking stupid, they deliberately did not do so.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          The changes were ruled illegal dumbass. In court.

          1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

            But not the votes.

  11. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

    Should we compare her lies versus yours and the rest of the leftist media?

  12. Dillinger   2 years ago

    dude your entire world is bending the truth with words you should be defending Ellis

  13. retiredfire   2 years ago

    Sidney Powell, Rudy Guiliani, Jenna Ellis, and every other supporter of the fact that President Trump's election was stolen will go down in history alongside Joseph McCarthy.
    The communists will never admit it, but they were right.
    Read the TIME article describing "a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information."
    They virtually admit the steal.
    https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      Indeed.

      "As an amazed television audience looked on, Welch responded with the immortal lines that ultimately ended McCarthy's career: "Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness." When McCarthy tried to continue his attack, Welch angrily interrupted, "Let us not assassinate this lad further, senator. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency?"

      Overnight, McCarthy's immense national popularity evaporated. Censured by his Senate colleagues, ostracized by his party, and ignored by the press, McCarthy died three years later, 48 years old and a broken man."

  14. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    DeSantis West has COVID again.

    Gavin Newsom has COVID again.

    The California governor tested positive for the virus on Wednesday after coming down with mild symptoms, his office said.

    This is the second time Newsom, a Democrat, has contracted the virus. He first tested positive last May. In 2020, he quarantined twice after being exposed to a staffer and two of his children who had tested positive for the virus.

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      DeSantis West

      DeSantisland Park (vs. Ron DeSantis World)

  15. Daddyhill   2 years ago

    How many assholes do you have to pull out of a hat full of Trump lawyers before you're willing to suggest a point estimate about the contents of the whole hat? Tell you what, I'll spot you a head start and suggest you only need to come up with one decent one to disprove my working hypothesis about all of them. You know, like the single black swan you heard about in Prob. 101.

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      You know, like the single black swan you heard about in Prob. 101.

      [squints]

      Can't tell if Prob. 101 was failed, "Prob. 101" was actually Philosophy and Logic 101 (which was also likely failed), or if the education system participated in was just abjectly shitty.

  16. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

    Ever since the Kleptocracy was invented the looter faction losing a snout in the trough has squealed "we wuz robbed!" It was an old joke back when John Wayne starred in "Back to Bataan." Google news archives are full of Republican lewsers trying to sue because voters preferred John Kennedy to Tricky Dick from Yorba Linda. The fact is that with two counts, popular and electoral college, the deck is not as easy to stack as elsewhere in the world.

  17. Jefferson's Ghost   2 years ago

    To all those who think Trump actually won the election:

    Grow up and move on. Whilst you fret delusionally over the last election, the next one is looming. I am sorry Trump did not win. Hell, I didn't even like the dude, but as I told myself, Biden is a whole lot worse.

    Maybe instead of worrying about whether Trump won, why not worry about DeSantis getting the nomination? (Hint: I aint no fan of DeSantis, either, but I have no problem placing a large cash bet that he will be less offensive than anyone the Dems might nominate.)

    1. Nardz   2 years ago

      Hey, guys, cabal cocksucker wants us to just bow down to tyranny...

      1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        As opposed to the "real steps" you're taking to overthrow the illegitimate Biden regime?

    2. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

      The Dems did not take your advic e in 2016.

    3. JesseAz   2 years ago

      JG, you're honestly fine with over a dozen court rulings showing illegal election changes? Quite a big defense of cleanest election ever. Youre fine with double voters? Youre fine with no chain of custody? Ballot harvesting and dumps? Midnight counting of votes?

      You do you. But youre supporting authoiritarians as well who utilize similar means. Maduro, sadaam, putin, etc.

      Voting is a fundamental act required for government. Not caring about fraud is idiotic.

      1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        You failed in court every single time you tried to get the vote overturned. Have any votes been taken from Biden and given to Trump? How many? Don't you need millions for Trump to win?

        The courts must be engaged in a "vast left-wing conspiracy", if none of them (even those judges appointed by Trump) entertained your wacko election fraud theories. That's the only possible explanation.

  18. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

    Yeah I'm not going to read another Sullum screed. He is a broken man. I'm only going to ask, what does any of this have to do with libertarianism?

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      I think it's a journalist firing a "Misinforming the public is OUR turf! Stay off or lose your license!" warning shot at a lawyer he doesn't like.

  19. Liberty_Belle   2 years ago

    "I would NEVER lie. Lying requires INTENTIONALLY making a false statement." The rule she admitted to violating, she notes, refers to "conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation."
    --------------------------------

    OMG , the lawyers are freaking lawyering again. "I didn't steal , I engaged in unlawful property relocation."

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Your definition of "lawyering" is out of date, circa the 2010s. Today's "lawyering" consists of ignoring crimes, paying off judges, spinning up your own lies using "grassroots" PACs and 'experts', and leaning on media outlets to suppress any discussion of your alleged involvement made by anyone's "conspiracy theories".

      Anybody not doing that is just a fool feebly trying to deflect the incoming barrage of The Emporer's arrows.

    2. Nardz   2 years ago

      Leftists aren't people.

      1. Tony   2 years ago

        You seem a little angry in this thread. Is it finally dawning on you that Daddy Putin isn't long for this world and neither is his country? Is the choice before you poverty or the bullet?

        1. Diarrheality   2 years ago

          You should give Nardz your address.
          Have a change of underwear handy.

          1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

            Careful, you're going to be excluded from the playground with that kind of language...

  20. Tony   2 years ago

    Tucker Carlson, on Trump:

    "I hate him passionately."

    On "the last four years" under Trump:

    "We're all pretending we've got a lot to show for it, because admitting what a disaster it's been is too tough to digest. But come on. There isn't really an upside to Trump."

    Private text messages, in contrast to the lies he told on air.

    Don't you people want to direct your never-ending well of hatred and anger toward the guy who's admitted to grifting you for years in plain English?

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      Two days and still "no comment".

      They must like being lied to.

  21. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1633923607662415877?t=p9ZZFhFIdn971u4bkA6NsA&s=19

    Western liberal democracy seems very bad at protecting basic human rights

    [Link]

    1. Tony   2 years ago

      Unlike the stellar human rights track record of fascist authoritarian shitholes.

      1. damikesc   2 years ago

        "We're better than Communists" is damning with faint praise.

  22. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/wil_da_beast630/status/1633979118290194434?t=BWpndMihCu637mMiePKgrQ&s=19

    This actual textbook map from Political Compass is...interesting.

    Look at Trump, Hitler, and then Castro.

    [Pic]

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      As far as individual data points go, I think Ghandi is the most astounding one. No question, Ghandi is the George Washington of India. At the same time, there's no question that Ghandi wasn't far more racist, sexist and classist (less overall libertarian) than everyone to the right of Hitler and there's some religious sainthood going on. Even dumb, nationalist Americans who revere George Washington recognize the flaws, intrinsic/cultural or imposed, better than Ghandi's advocates objectively recognize theirs.

      Also, more broadly and critically, "Economic Right" and "Economic Left" as orthogonal to liberty and authoritarianism is an obvious concealment of more objective ideology (especially with Hitler in the relative middle). Like the seizure of the entirety of a country's wealth, effectively enslaving the entire citizenry or is not authoritarian as long as you don't kill 10-20M people in the process or forcing people into three castes by birth and occupation rather than two castes by occupation or two castes by birth is somehow more libertarian or "economically left".

  23. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/memeforcetoo/status/1633904809030893599?t=kAu5oow_9s_T6ghW0YfcHA&s=19

    Insane map, 2% of all counties account for 51% of all murders. More than half the counties (54%) didn't have a single murder.

    [Graphic]

    1. Tony   2 years ago

      Wait a minute, are you saying most murders happen where most of the people live?

      1. Diarrheality   2 years ago

        Yes, most murders happen where most of the liberal people live.

      2. damikesc   2 years ago

        Just odd the sheer volume of them in gun-free zones and heavy gun control areas. Exceedingly odd.

        1. Tony   2 years ago

          The only thing exceedingly odd is your willful stupidity in the age of maximum access to information.

          You are seriously surprised that more murders happen where 3 million people live than where 15 people live? Like, are you actually confused about how numbers work?

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago

      I'd say you can't post that thread without giving a shout out to @MrTreacherous, using another map to absolutely murder popular narratives.

  24. TJJ2000   2 years ago (edited)

    Say, Instead of addressing (allowing open investigation) the concern and ensuring Election Integrity; let’s just prosecute those who have a concern…. Yeah!! Hang the witches… Hang the witches!! /s

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.. From the very beginning the way in which this concern was handled practically guarantees guilt.

  25. Cyto   2 years ago

    If you really want to cover this topic an not just run a hit piece, you should interview Robert Barnes.

    He warned that the Dominion stuff was a false flag early on. He said Powell got taken in by a guy with all the right credentials who says he was there when these machines were used by the CIA to rig foreign elections.

    Then, after they went public, a new and less credible history emerged.

    He says they got conned, and he was saying it very early (before the election results were certified)

    1. DesigNate   2 years ago

      I’m old enough to remember when Democrats were shitting on Dominion and saying that their machines threatened democracy.

      Funny that any thing or narrative that threatens their power is “a threat to democracy”.

      1. TJJ2000   2 years ago (edited)

        They aren’t wrong. It’s only Democratic-Party affiliated identities “[OUR] Democracy”… because those ‘icky’ Republicans believe in a Non-Democratic Supreme Law (ironically the very definition of the USA) that ensures UN-Democratically *Individual* Liberty and Justice for all.

        Democrats actual political party-sale line is….
        Sell your individual soul to the [WE] foundation; because You don’t own You, [WE] own You! …. “You” don’t exist in [OUR] Democracy (mob ruled) governing system.

        It is literally a conquering of the USA by definition for a Democratic [Na]tional So[zi]alist Empire.
        It’s no coincidence the left also praises socialism; there would be no excuse to conquer the USA (Supreme Law) if it was to ensure any Liberty and/or Justice.

      2. Tony   2 years ago (edited)

        Your confusion stems from not being able to grasp the way intelligent people think. See, we do not declare allegiance to factions and pledge our last breath to them regardless of how absurd and self-destructive that allegiance is. We just look at facts. We can believe Dominion to have acted shadily in the past in favor of Republicans and also believe they are capable of being pissed off when Republican propaganda returns the favor by maliciously slandering their operation.

        Mostly we sit back and watch you insane fucktards ruin everything you touch via sheer stupidity.

        1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

          Only to a leftard does intelligent = compulsive partisan contradiction.

  26. Green Jihad   2 years ago

    Ellis should admit she did this under duress in which it clearly looks like she did. In the meantime, I would be curious if Jacob Sullum knows about the Democrat Party's history of conducting vote fraud. When one keeps this in mind, Trump's assertion the 2020 election was stolen is certainly valid.

  27. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

    The government only beats reason because they love them.

  28. mad.casual   2 years ago

    C'mon R Mac, it wasn't a censorship list, it was a government-funded corporate-recommended deprioritizing list. That's, like, not even a shadowban.

  29. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Sullum in 2033: "If only Comrade Stalin knew".

  30. Nardz   2 years ago

    Gotta give them some unearned street cred so the can continue gaslighting to further global leftist totalitarianism

  31. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

    Of course I drew a second name. You don’t lay all your cards down at once, what kind of political and scientific hack do you take me for?

    Chief Justice Christine Durham (Ret.)

    In the case of State v. MacGuire, 84 P.3d 1171 (Utah 2004) in 2004 the Utah Supreme Court ruled that all fetuses are covered under the state’s criminal homicide statute. Though she agreed with that premise, Justice Durham dissented based on the definition of the capital murder and aggravated murder charges as well as based on the US Supreme Court decision of Roe v. Wade. “Declaring a fetus to be a ‘person’ entitled to equal protection would require not only overturning Roe v. Wade but also making abortion, as a matter of constitutional law, illegal in all circumstances, even to save the life of the mother.” … In the case of University of Utah v. Shurtleff, 144 P.3d 1109 (Utah 2006).,[20] the Utah Supreme Court ruled in a 4-1 decision that the University of Utah has no right to ban guns on campus, rejecting the argument that prohibiting firearms is part of the school’s power to control academic affairs. [I leave it up to members of the audience, practiced statistician or not, who the lone dissenter was]

    ————————-

    Roberta Cooper Ramo

    Ramo was the first woman Chair of the Economics of Law Practice Section of the American Bar Association, from 1983 to 1984 and the first woman President of the American Bar Association, from 1995 to 1996. As President of The American Law Institute, from 2008 to 2017, Ramo brought a focus on diversity to ALI's membership and Council election process, effectively bringing more women, minorities, and breadth of practice to the organization. As President, she is also credited with inspiring confidence and participation from all members of the Institute and collegiality through some for the most complex and controversial project discussions.
    ...
    Ramo was appointed by President Clinton to serve on the National Advisory Council on Violence Against Women. Ramo served as co-chair of the U.S. Olympic Committee appointed by Senators Ted Stevens [Pro-abortion, Bridge-to-nowhere ‘Republican’] and John McCain to suggest reform of the organization’s structure. She previously served on the five-member Commission appointed by the U.S. Olympic Committee, chaired by George J. Mitchell [(D)], which made recommendations for reformation of the USOC and the International Olympic Committee.

    Per the prior “Both kinds/All Things Considered Bipartisan” model: Out-and-out Progressives/Democrats with a smattering of Pro-Abortion, Anti-gun, pro-State, “But I see farmland on my way to work!”, "I have friends who are dusties!" Neocons.

  32. mad.casual   2 years ago

    Not to mention a good degree of election law violation was perpetrated under the guise of COVID State of Emergency health orders, of which 5 states (four of them with a democratic trifecta) are *still* active and at least one of which is obliquely pledging to follow Federal COVID SoE leadership (which itself isn't entirely clear as the pandemic was declared to be "over" last year but the State of Emergency has yet to expire).

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