Michigan Appeals Court Weighs Charging Parents of School Shooter With Manslaughter
Judges and prosecutors accused James and Jennifer Crumbley of negligent behavior despite the fact that school officials at the time reached many of the same judgments.

In November 2021, 15-year-old Ethan Crumbley killed four fellow students at his Michigan high school with a gun his father bought him as an early Christmas present. Prosecutors charged Crumbley with murder, assault, and terrorism, to which he pleaded guilty.
Prosecutors also charged his parents, James and Jennifer Crumbley, with four counts of involuntary manslaughter. This week, Michigan's Third District Court of Appeals heard arguments on whether the Crumbleys can be charged for their son's actions.
Prosecutors say that the school warned the Crumbleys about their son's behavior. The day before the shooting, a teacher noticed Ethan searching for ammunition on his cell phone and notified his mother, who later texted him, "Lol. I'm not mad at you. You have to learn not to get caught."
The next day, the Crumbleys were called to the school just hours before the shooting. A teacher spotted a note on Crumbley's desk featuring a drawing of a pistol and the words, "the thoughts won't stop, help me." It also featured a bullet, a gunshot victim, and the words "blood everywhere." Crumbley told school officials the drawings were for a video game he was designing.
The school asked Crumbley's parents to take him home for the day, but they refused, and he returned to class. Neither his parents nor the school knew Crumbley had brought the pistol from home in his backpack. Ethan later attested the gun was not locked up on the day of the shooting.
In this week's hearing, Judge Christopher Yates said there were "warning signs all over the place" regarding Crumbley's conduct. Mariell Lehman, an attorney for James Crumbley, contended that he "had no knowledge" of what his son was planning, prompting Judge Michael Riordan to interject, "He was called over to the school that day, wasn't he?… He had knowledge then." When Lehman countered that her client only had knowledge "that there was a drawing," not that his son had violent plans, Riordan asked, "It's certainly a warning signal, wouldn't you say?"
The Crumbleys clearly missed some signs about their son, but that doesn't mean they violated the law. As Reason's Jacob Sullum wrote in December 2021, "While 16 states have laws authorizing prosecution of adults who intentionally or carelessly give minors unsupervised access to guns, Michigan is not one of them." Nor does Michigan have laws requiring the "secure storage" of firearms. Arguing involuntary manslaughter could just be a way for prosecutors to get around the inconvenient fact that Michigan's legislature has not passed a law that would allow them to prosecute the Crumbleys for criminal negligence.
Oakland County prosecutor Joseph Shada also argued that when asked by the school to take their son home for the day, the Crumbleys refused. But according to Superintendent Tim Throne's letter to parents, school officials had not deemed Ethan a threat. He spent an hour and a half sitting in a counselor's office waiting for his parents to arrive. During that time, "the student verbalized his concern he would be missing homework assignments and requested his science homework, which he then worked on while in the office. At no time did counselors believe the student might harm others based on his behavior, responses and demeanor, which appeared calm."
Per Throne's letter, the meeting concluded with school officials telling Ethan's parents "that they had 48 hours to seek counseling for their child or the school would contact Child Protective Services. When the parents were asked to take their son home for the day, they flatly refused and left without their son, apparently to return to work." But as Throne notes in the very following sentence, "Given the fact that the child had no prior disciplinary infractions, the decision was made he would be returned to the classroom rather than sent home to an empty house."
Given that they had to return to work, this may have also been the Crumbleys' thought. Since firearm suicides among young people are at a 20-year high and school shootings remain statistically rare, it would have been perfectly logical for the Crumbleys to assume that if their son were truly disturbed, he would be safer in a classroom than at home in an empty house with a gun.
"Charging the parents of a shooter is rare and, frankly, it should be," Shada told the judges. "It should be reserved for an egregious set of circumstances, an extreme set of facts." The facts here don't support criminal prosecution.
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Call me when the missing baby daddies of every juvenile gang banger get hauled into court for involuntary manslaughter.
First you have to figure out who they are.
That’s getting easier and easier every day. With people increasingly sending their DNA into 123, Ancestry, etc. it’s getting easier to connect the strands so to speak. Sure, dead beat, broke ass, walk aways probably aren’t dropping a Benjamin to have their spit determine their origins but they don’t have to.
Just like the asshole friends we all have on Facebook that tag us to improve FB’s facial recognition database; we all have aunties, uncles, siblings, all of the above, and more uploading their DNA which can be used to reach back to every drop of spilt semen that was scraped off the sheets with a spoon, dropped in via a turkey baster, and produced an unknown sprog. Until we level the playing field and have a reliable way for males to do birth control the problem will continue.
Note to those in Cali and MI, shockingly they don’t actually care. They just want someone to pay. 9 will get you 10 that other states don’t actually care either but they may actually have helpful employees – yeah, nah.
That’s two hyperlinks to this site, wonder if it will die in “moderation”.
We usually do not hear about it in the news because the baby daddies in question only get public defenders.
>>Prosecutors charged Crumbley with murder, assault, and terrorism
terrorism seems a stretch.
Those domestic terrorism numbers aren't going to pad themselves.
"Oh, very well. Murder, assault, and *conspiracy to commit* terrorism."
He pleaded guilty, so it obviously wasn't.
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If their argument is that they didn't know the kid was in mental distress, well there is plenty of evidence they did. After that you have to ask, if a parent understands that a child is having mental health issues, and they do nothing about it, except buy the kid a gun, does that make them complicit? A girl is in jail because she talked a kid into killing himself. You put a gun in the hand of a mentally unstable person, it doesn't matter that Michigan hasn't explicitly criminalized that activity.
>, it doesn’t matter that Michigan hasn’t explicitly criminalized that activity.
Except, it really does.
One of the fundamental pillars of American jurisprudence is ex post facto laws. You CANNOT charge someone with something that wasn't illegal BEFORE the act occurred.
This isn't about the shooter or his actions as I bring this up. It's about rule of law. And courts have to be very careful not to overstep here as allowing unconstitutional ex post facto prosecutions leads to no trust in the law and zero individual liberty as whoever is in power can just make up charges and then apply them to someone they don't like.
That's the slippery slope to stalinism... or some less alliterative dictatorship that quells dissent by locking up the opposition. So find a valid charge or tough shit, these guys should walk no matter what dumbasses they are.
The law is not so explicit that it can contain every possible scenario in which someone has broken the law. That is why the laws are vague, for example "criminal mischief". WTF is criminal mischief? Lots of things. This case isn't about a law being on or not on the books, it is about whether they can prosecute it based on what is already established in the vague system that already exists.
Tell that to SCOTUS the next time someone enacts "retroactive" taxes.
Funny. The Virginia Tech shooter was diagnosed with a mental disorder that he was being given treatment for. The Law required that he be added to the Gun Check Registry. He wasn't because the School's medical professionals thought that it would stigmatize him. He then bought the weapons that he used. NONE of "medical professionals" were charged.
The school officials determined that he was NO threat and allowed him to return to class.
Let's face it. The rhetoric is that "These parents bought their Son an evil gun, they must be guilty of something."
They were medical professionals working for the state school system. Qualified immunity, which is something that parents don't have the luxury of claiming.
Following this line of reasoning, due to a weapon being central to this event, if the school administration didn't make an effort to search his belongings as a precaution, is this not negligence or nonfeasance?
That’s a good point. It should have been done in front of the Parents while they were there.
As you can tell by some of the comments here, the Law shouldn't matter, there's agendas to push here.
Why would they do that when they can simply claim qualified immunity? I mean it’s not like anything is going to come down on their shoulders and hey, QI means they can easily bypass the 4th Amendment when they so choose.
Oh, they could have searched his stuff and not sweat it. Hmmm.
Yeah, dammit, YEAH! WHY did school officials DELIBERATELY go out and buy this mentally ill child a GUN, fer Chrissakes??!?!
(Sometimes it takes a Mental Giant like R Mac to clarify issues for us!)
What exactly is it that you object to here, sarcasmic? The guy in the white house who you voted for and advocate for here 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, every week of your drunk-ass welfare-mooching life supports gun confiscation AND third party liability for gun makers. Isn’t this kind of right up your alley, drunky?
That's not sarcasmic, dude.