Don't Just Hire 'Better Cops.' Punish the Bad Ones.
Convincing law enforcement officers that those who do wrong will suffer consequences is by far the most powerful tool for changing police behavior in the long run.

"I don't know that there's any law that can stop that evil that we saw," said House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan (R–Ohio) on NBC's Meet the Press, shortly after video was released of five Memphis police officers brutally beating Tyre Nichols during a traffic stop.
Jordan took a lot of abuse for his remark, which was generally interpreted as boobish and nihilistic. But while Jordan has said many boobish things over many years, he is very nearly correct about this one. Congressmen know better than most that the mere act of passing a law guarantees nothing, and that making something illegal is not the same thing as eliminating it.
Three years after the death of George Floyd—and two years after the death of the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act, which passed the House in 2021 but stalled in the Senate—many of the same policing reform proposals are still being endlessly debated. Some states and cities implemented new use-of-force guidelines with similar language, along with other piecemeal reforms. The results are mixed. Even if the federal bill's ban on chokeholds had been passed and universally honored, for example, it wouldn't have saved Nichols, who died three days after being subject to nearly every assault imaginable other than choking. Memphis is in the middle of several other reforms, including efforts to diversify its police force. But all the officers charged in Nichols' beating were black.
Defunding the police—the rallying cry of the angry summer of 2020—proved an unpopular idea. Most people don't want to abolish the police; they just wish they could trust officers in their neighborhoods to do the right thing when they are needed.
Congressional micromanagement of the rules of engagement between cops and citizens isn't the only way forward, and it's probably not the best one. Instead of focusing primarily on prevention, the best way to prevent future abuses may counterintuitively be to consistently and publicly punish law enforcement officers who have stepped over the line after the fact.
There is a technocratic temptation to think that the problem of police brutality can be solved by making or attracting better cops. Proposals range from requiring a college education for police officers to simply increasing the number of hours of training required, from the current average of 650 to something closer to Finland's 5,500 or at least Canada's 1,000.
Both of those proposals were touted by Noah Smith, who issued a call to "Professionalize the Police" on his Substack. He forthrightly admits that he "can't find good causal studies on the impact of total hours of police training on police brutality" but notes that there is some evidence that certain subtypes of training are effective. Unfortunately for Smith's case, one of those types of training is the very same de-escalation training the Memphis police did receive.
"The worst that could happen," writes Smith, "is that we waste some money." But efforts to require a college education for an increasing number of professions—including day care workers—have succeeded largely in making labor scarcer and prices higher, without clear gains in quality or safety. Advocates of more training like to cite the required hours of training for other professions, especially the thousands of hours required of cosmetologists. But anyone who has ever had her hair done at a dubious salon might well wonder whether many of those hours were, in fact, an expensive waste of money and time for all parties.
If you get a bad dye job, of course, you can leave a one-star Yelp review. And if, Aphrodite forbid, you're disfigured by bleach burns, you can sue. At the moment, both of these options are very limited for victims of police misconduct.
Too many American police officers believe it's OK, even necessary, to react extremely aggressively when faced with perceived threats. As long as there is no external reality check on that belief, it is unlikely to change.
The five officers who attacked Nichols have been charged with murder and other crimes. But because criminal charges against police are rare, it should also be possible to hold law enforcement officials accountable in civil proceedings, where regular citizens can initiate proceedings and seek justice.
Too often, lawmakers and activists become focused on creating elaborate licensing standards, codes of conduct, education requirements, and more when what is needed most is to clear the way for a time-tested system to work as intended. We already have a system in which those who inflict harm on others in the course of their jobs can be held accountable, but decades ago the Supreme Court carved out the "qualified immunity" exception, which often blocks lawsuits for clearly unconstitutional abuses.
Memphis Police Chief Cerelyn Davis told the Commercial Appeal that she supports reforming qualified immunity, but Tennessee police have benefited from the doctrine's bafflingly broad shield in recent years, including in 2020, when the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear a case where a state court had concluded that a man bitten by a police dog was out of luck, because the "use of the canine to apprehend [him] did not violate clearly established law."
The consequences for the officers who beat Nichols have been swift and severe. Their rapid expulsion from the police force and the unwillingness of the Fraternal Order of Police to stand up for them will likely do more to make the next officer think twice about wielding his Taser and truncheon than any specific set of rules Jim Jordan and his pals can dream up. Increased civil liability will help make this kind of clear resolution more common.
Some of the same developments that make it possible to hold violent, brutal police officers accountable in court will also allow innocent, effective police to defend themselves. Scrupulously acquired and maintained body camera footage will exonerate officers who have done the right thing. Unions that find it untenable—for reputational and fiscal reasons—to reflexively defend repeat offenders will ultimately be stronger and more useful to the cops that need defense from unscrupulous bosses, frivolous complaints, or poor working conditions when the need arises.
The fact that the five officers responsible for Tyre Nichols' death are suffering is likely to be cold comfort to the 4-year-old daughter he leaves behind. But convincing law enforcement officers that those who do wrong will suffer consequences is by far the most powerful (and cost-effective) tool for changing police behavior in the long run.
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A soldier or Marine deployed in Afghanistan—an environment vastly more dangerous than anything likely to ever be encountered by an American police officer—would go to Leavenworth for beating, shooting, or otherwise brutalizing an innocent Afghan. It's astounding to think that domestic police aren't held to a similar standard.
To be fair, all of the Tyre Nichols officers are in jail awaiting trial.
Yes, but they represent an outlier.
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By "outlier," I assume you mean the tiny percentage of complaints which have any legitimate basis in fact?
Question for the audience:
How often do you interact with cops? How big a part of your life are encounters with police?
The amount of attention Reason, and some of you, spend obsessing over it indicates they're a HUGE part of your life.
Might be a you problem.
Or it's because cops are the enforcement arm of an increasingly overbearing federal, state, and local government, to the point they are getting away with harassment of political opponents for purely partisan political reasons.
It could also have something to do with the fact that fuckheads on PoliceOne and tough gais like Dunphy (whatever happened to ol' Morgan Fairchild bangin Dunphy anyways?) are constantly bleating about it being a "warzone out there" and how unsafe their jobs are when they don't even place in the top ten of most dangerous jobs in any given year.
So how often do you have to deal with cops?
Why obsess over it?
And what the fuck does constantly bitching about local cops, who work in thousands of different departments, like a 13 year old accomplish?
Thankfully, very little.
I already explained why people might obsess over it. Hell, It’s not like you haven’t obsessed over it when it comes to federal agents and Trump or others (and with good reason).
I don’t disagree with you that merely bitching about their behavior doesn’t really accomplish anything, unless you’re bitching to the people that actually have the power to affect any change. And only then if they agree with you and actually try to accomplish something more than sound bites.
So I shouldn't worry about a problem until it affects me personally and directly? Well, since I don't use cannabis, I guess I shouldn't worry whether or not it's legal. Since I've never bought or sold sexual services, I guess I shouldn't worry about decriminalizing sex work. Since I'm not currently trying to immigrate, I shouldn't worry about immigration reform. No one is harassing me right this second about my sexual preferences, so I shouldn't about LGBT issues. No one is busting my door down right now to seize my guns, so I shouldn't worry about RKBA issues. I could go on, but if you haven't gotten the point by now, you're not going to.
A lot of the people being abused might not be the most sympathetic, but that doesn't mean we should celebrate their abuse. This just allows the abuse to continue and spread. A lot of people I talk to seem to think that because they're the "right" color and live in a nice neighborhood, this is never going to affect them. The fact is, though, all it takes is to be in the wrong place at the wrong time just once. They just can't imagine that they might be in the wrong place some time. A study of history suggests that it's foolish to wait until the wolf is actually at your door to pay attention and take action. "Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me"
have you ever fought a person to submission? An insane person? A person drugged out of all reason and tapping all of the savagery of the animal state? I know that you have not, therefore you are unqualified to judge police incidents.
The vast majority of police interactions are going to be for petty shit, some of which shouldn’t even be illegal, that results in no violence or incidents. So most cops will never deal with any of those people either. Even in some of the incidents that become national stories they aren’t dealing with that.
What a ridiculous appeal to authority.
Have you?
I have told drugged out people that I would be forced to kill them if they charged me again...made no impression at all.
Lemme guess, it was one of those PCP zombies with super strength, right? Or maybe a jazz musician all hopped up on reefer. Oh, no, I know, it was a bear on cocaine!
Bullshit.
Another lying fascist.
How idiotic. I've never driven an 18-wheeler, either, but when one comes down the highway the wrong direction and destroys someone's car and life, you can for fucking sure know I'm qualified to judge them.
Cops work for us; they allegedly "serve and protect." They draw their authority from our consent, and it's not merely our right, but our responsibility to rein them in when they trample peoples' rights.
Rights and responsibilities. An individual must submit to police. Arguments about the validity of police actions can be taken up later, but direct refusal to comply is a serious crime. Don't try it.
Flat out wrong. No one is under any ethical or legal obligation to follow orders that police have no authority to give. As for the whole "just go along" thing, the best result you can reasonably hope for is that a prosecutor will act like he's doing you a favor when she grudgingly drops all charges. The cop who exceeded his authority and illegally hassled you probably won't even get a slap on the wrist, and will go right on doing the same to others.
But when things are "taken up later", most people are satisfied with just having charges dismissed, or citations voided. In Cincinnati, you can't even fire a cop; the union will have him working in no time. Even if they kill someone.
Rarely. But if we don't "obsess over it" now, we won't have the power, authority or allies to fix it when it does become a problem for us.
Injustice is injustice whether it's happening to you, to me or to some third person that neither of us knows. And it's worse when that injustice is being perpetrated in my name - which, since they are "public servants" and I am a member of the public paying their salaries, is the case.
I suspect that most people would never have a problem with any police encounter were they simply to watch, and take to heart the simple rules from, this short public service announcement.
youtube dotcom slash watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8
Chicago is more violent than afgan
That soldier would only be punished if the behavior violated their training. The analogy between soldier and cops is valid in the sense that neither is sent to perform their job without being explicitly trained by their employer.
This is not like jobs where people get hired already pre-trained elsewhere. Where new hires are simply assumed to know how to do their job. Hiring and punishment criteria is kind of a diversion. Training is almost always the source of the problem. Training itself serves as a screening mechanism. Training is the way that police should be dealing with EVERY situation that arises where 'qualified immunity' becomes the judicial excuse for the behavior.
We find every excuse in the world to avoid actually training cops beyond - here's the legal reasons why a suspect can be arrested and here's how to use weapons to force them to comply. There is virtually no other police training in the US.
The difference between police and soldiers is self-selection. Those who join the military tend to be moral and upstanding people who want to serve their country. Those who join the police tend to be bullies who like to go around starting fights with people who are weaker than them.
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Soldiers and police both used to just be militia. And many cops are National Guard.
There are a lot of ex-soldiers in law enforcement. Enough that I don't think your observation stands.
“ This is not like jobs where people get hired already pre-trained elsewhere.”
Currently, the predominant hiring funnel for police departments is for people who aspire to being police officers to pay for generic police academy training on their own dime, then the graduates interview with police departments. And, hopefully, get more training once hired.
That sounds like a completely incompetent and cheap approach. So yeah that's probably the funnel
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That’s my understanding. Costs a lot to run your own police academy.
No amount of training would prevent many of these abuses. Nobody who has to be told that continuing to apply force to someone long after they've stopped being any kind of threat should ever be handed a badge and gun. Ditto for people who need to be trained not to tase or pepper spray someone who has already been restrained. Or murder dogs that pose no threat. Or bust down doors in the middle of the night over trivial offenses, without even bothering to make sure they have the right address.
I agree that police training in the US could definitely be improved. But all the training in the world won't prevent bad behavior if there are no consequences for violating department policies and even laws. There are some people who are inevitably going to abuse any authority they're given. Weeding them out before putting them in a position of power is certainly preferable, but there's no known method that can achieve that 100% of the time. Therefore, you have to have methods for holding people accountable after they misbehave as well.
Somewhere along the line some bright bulb got the idea that punishment is a good deterrent of bad behavior. Then, for some reason, we decided that principle should apply to everyone except police officers. It's time to correct that mistake.
But now we want to not prosecute criminals.
Give it up with this bullshit. No one is against prosecuting real criminals. The only debate is over what constitutes a real crime, and what is the best way to deal with real criminals. Our current hyper-punitive system has clearly gone far beyond the point of diminishing returns. Too many people seem to think that punishment is an end in itself, even when it does little or nothing to promote public safety.
Everyone except police officers?
Are you fucking kidding?
What should we do about "journalists" whose lies cause more violence and harm than any one police officer?
How about "public health experts", activist organizers, NGO staffers, violent youths arrested dozens of times then routinely let out to continue their ways, government officials, bureaucrats, politicians, stasi neighbors, and all other leftist/establishment/globalist scum?
Not to mention illegal aliens.
But yea, it's only police officers who aren't punished.
LOfuckingL
Reason says jump, useful idiots ask how high.
"What should we do about “journalists” whose lies cause more violence and harm than any one police officer?"
I believe they should be tried for instigating crimes; tried for their actual crimes, and tried as accomplices to any crimes arising from their work.
There would be a lot fewer journalists, and the world would be a much nicer place.
Lick those boots, boy.
We can hire better ones, KMW, but it means giving up DIE and the like. That scorpion team in Memphis was a bunch of DIE-type hires, lacking the typical psychological review and other testing that cops usually need to go through. One needs to make sure they have the temperament to be a police office instead of a thug with a badge. It also means reducing the power of the police unions, making firing the bad actors easier. At least you mention the unions, but you failed to mention the DIE crap that led to the hiring of the five officers in Memphis in the first place.
Part of getting better people to apply is also not solely demonizing then. The last 5 years have created a narrative where common interactions are more dangerous as people fight against cops even during common interactions. Yet the media solely focuses on the bad encounters, almost never showing good encounters. Cops are on edge. Shooting of cops has climbed. It is going to cause them to be more on edge during common encounters. This includes intentional ambushes of cops. The narrative being pushed, including at reason, has increased the conflict with even good cops. Good people are going to leave the force due to this. They will also stop applying. Cops will band together under force of threat and also increase conflict from their side.
It's largely fearmongering on the part of news organizations which is part of the "if it bleeds, it leads" mentality. People see parroted reports on "assault weapons", police brutality, etc. and that stokes fear. Cops are just people but their focus is on when cops get shot, ambushed, etc. resulting in overly anxious and trigger happy cops.
Why is it any surprise at all when there is blowback either way? If cops are being shot in higher numbers it could simply be that the level of brutality by cops has increased to the point where more people are reacting violently. In turn, that increases police anxiety leading them toward increasing volatility. It's like an ouroboros - a tightly bound feedback loop that feeds on itself.
Number of stops is down. Number of interactions are down. Done largely in response to the news stories of blame all police. Shootings are up despite this. I dont think your assertion is valid
Fair enough, perhaps it's just the perception that police brutality is increased due to trends in news reporting. The feedback loop still works regardless of whether it's based on reality or the as seen on tv perception of it.
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It doesn't help that good cops routinely get forced off the force by the really bad cops.
To your point about the media, I think that works both ways, with them pumping up the outrage and fear that a cop is going to murder you at any moment and everybody a cop encounters wants them dead.
They're not getting demonized. Ambushes of cops are extremely rare. The claim the media focuses on bad encounters is either based on stupidity or is a lie: the media is usually copaganda, not anti-cop.
If there are good people in law enforcement why are they never around when the bad cops violate rights and the law?
Woke hypocrisy over Dilbert's creator.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/03/05/the-liberal-hypocrisy-over-scott-adams/
American respondents had been asked by pollsters Rasmussen Reports if they agree with the statement, ‘It’s okay to be white’. Fifty-three per cent of black respondents agreed, 26 per cent did not, and 21 per cent said they were ‘not sure’. The poll was published on 22 February and Adams almost immediately took to a YouTube livestream to vent his response. ‘If nearly half of all blacks are not okay with white people, according to this poll… that’s a hate group’, he said.
The poll results should be troubling and further discussed.
The sad reality is that American liberals have a deeply conflicted and unhealthy attitude towards race. The best thing Americans of all political stripes could do is to simply stop listening to these media figures, stop scrolling through Twitter looking for the latest outrage, and concentrate on the people in front of them.
So it's OK for blacks to criticize whiteness, but not OK for whites to criticize blackness. I wonder where that idea came from.
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The only dismissal of the poll that struck me as possibly legitimate is: "This is a loaded question, "it's OK to be white" is a dog-whistle by 4chan. It is a white-supremacist slogan. Every black person has to disagree with it."
I don't agree with the premise of that dismissal, but it is a legitimate objection to the accuracy of the poll.
The use of the term "dog whistle" is a dog whistle to libs that they are free to dismiss the plain meaning of what is said and fill in their own interpretations.
Oddly, they seldom get called on their own misuse of language, such as describing Adams' calmly delivered statement as a "rant" a "tirade" or "venting", all of which aren't just inaccurate, their usage is pure mendacity.
This poll was purely dishonest push trolling. The question as specifically worded has been around for years by white supremacists (including David duke). It's a troll and reasonably well known as such. No different than a specific poll question - Do Black Lives Matter? Designed to confuse about what level this question is about. And thus distort the results.
Rasmussen should never be trusted.
I agree with Mac. I am willing to view evidence backing your claim that "it's OK to be white" is a slogan of white supremacists. I don't know of any.
Second point: in the face of an avalanche anti-white racism perpetrated by academia ("the problem of whiteness" crap), and the piling on by black hate mongers, is it any wonder that the simple response "it's OK to be white" arose. It's telling that such a simple statement has been met with trembling rage by the racists.
There's a reference to the slogan on David Duke's website (I will not link to that) - dating back to 2017.
Here's a 2019 link to a story about that slogan - a mural of a black sorority at UVA was vandalized with that slogan
Yes the slogan is white supremacist and white supremacists have not kept it hidden from the black community. Further - Rasmussen KNOWS this and their poll was deliberately intended to further that 'campaign slogan'. The Dilbert guy may just be the useful idiot - and maybe not.
Im also certain that many of the commenters here are ALSO fully aware of the slogan as white supremacist and are not just useful idiots but are activist bigots. The whole thing is putrid.
And from that same website - The Root - with the 2019 vandalism article - a 2017 article about the slogan (in a white supremacist context) - to a black audience.
Oh - and Rasmussen polls are autobot polls. Nothing human - the dialer is a robot, the talker is a robot, and the answers are push-button. I don't understand why anyone would even answer that sort of shit - esp with loaded gotcha-type questions - but even worse would be anyone who thinks the poll results are worth a shit.
The Root is the most hate filled, racist publication that's ever existed.
It makes Mein Kampf look like outreach to the Jewish community.
I am trying to give you the benefit of doubt. Really.
But you provide links to TheRoot and refuse to link to David Duke? What's the difference between them?
I read the Root article you linked to. It was a long explanation of "whitey whining, and whitey bad". Here is the last paragraph:
"And since the sun rose over the horizon the day after the Jamestown, Va., settlers set foot on American soil and began infecting this land with their imagined Caucasian sovereignty, there has never been a moment in the history of this country, dare I say of the entire continent, when it has not been OK to be white."
It's hard to imagine that David Duke could be any worse. Whitey "infects" the land. According to the Root, it's as much "ok to be white" as it is to be the leprosy agent... https://www.cdc.gov/leprosy/index.html
You asswipes were demanding to know if that slogan is white supremacist and is known as such in the black community.
Proven
Q. E. D.
Take another booster, soy.
Then put a gun to your head and pull the trigger.
God damn you are retarded. You linked to a hate site to prove the people they openly hate are the real bad guys. This is more retarded than your covid fear mongering. Do you look to pro Hitler sites to prove jews are bad as well?
You linked to one of the most racist websites in existence. That website proves that its followers have been dosed with anti-white racism. So, in a sense you did prove that the black community "knows" that "it's OK to be white" is a racist slogan, just as David Duke's followers "know" that black folks are inferior in general.
Fortunately, it seems that only 47% of the black community are indoctrinated racists. That is still an alarming percentage and does not bode well for racial harmony in general, or the safety of the average white boy.
In closing, it's OK to be white or any other racial group. Black lives matter just as much as any life matters but not more. The organization known as "Black Lives Matter" is abhorrent and a simple scam to separate fools from their money while at the same time sowing destructive hatred in stupid people's hearts. I hope you, JFree, did not contribute to BLM's mansions for communism scam, though I would not be surprised if you did.
Here is part of an article published on https://theconversation.com/the-trouble-with-saying-its-okay-to-be-white-106929
"Following the incident, some media outlets, including the Winnipeg Free Press, received an email from the alleged poster, who claimed he was a University of Manitoba student who papered the walls.
The student said the posters were a “protest of racially discriminatory ideology” taught at the university. He said “many professors explicitly teach in their courses that it is not okay to be white.” He added that he felt the over-reaction to the posters proves the presence of a “white-phobia” on campus."
I think the statement from the guy who hung the posters is correct. "It's OK to be white" is a protest against the explicit anti-white racism being "taught" at universities, in this case in Canada.
There is nothing wrong with trolling racists.
Consider the “evidence”. The same people who claim showing up to work on time and a culture of improvement are white supremacy also claim this slogan is white supremacy.
JFree’s response: I’m convinced!
It hardly seems surprising if we allow a group’s enemies to define their intent that intent will always be ‘proven’ nefarious. But do we suppose JFree grants this same right in reverse? For example does he deride BLM as a financial scam justified as reparations? No? I’m shocked to discover he adjusts the standards he judges by to ensure the conclusion is to condemn the right and exonerate the left. Surely this perfect record is a coincidence.
It says something that leftists are either so dishonest they push this or so stupid they don’t recognize the tactic.
Proven
Q. E. D.
Sure. And OJ is looking for the real killers.
What a fool.
You trust The Root.
Fuck off.
If "white supremacists" claimed the sky was blue or that the sun rose in the east, would it be incumbent on everyone else to disagree?
Shame on Rasmussen. They should have asked “What do you think of Popeye’s running out of chicken?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pyW6w5B7Aw&t=132s
Black thighs matter!
The number of times the word "nigga" was shouted in a dispute that involved 4 white and 0 black people really shows you the amazing extent to which black culture has been embraced in America.
It’s hilarious hearing kids on an almost all white, wealthy private school use it. I don’t mean funny haha either. It makes you want to smack them.
The Dilbert guy is an idiot. Who actually believes that many black people answered a Rasmussen poll ? Adams talked like he believed every single black person in America took that poll and is personally out to get him.
60-70 or so black people trolled the poll and the Dilbert guy took the bait. If you think that phone land-line Rasmussen poll of 1000 people where at most 13% were self-selected black people represents all black Americans I have a bridge to sell you. Also 'It's o.k. to be White' is an alt-right 4-chan meme.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_okay_to_be_white
If any of the black respondents knew that they would say no automatically.
The words, "It's okay to be white." mean "It's okay to be white."
I don't give a fuck who says it, believes it, or uses it.
And if you think it isn't okay to be white, YOU'RE the racist.
I don't give a fuck about Cortez, or Columbus, or the customers of the Dahomey, or even bigoted segregationists down South (whose work and attitudes have been resurrected on college campuses at the behest of black students, btw). What we got is what we got today. You can make it better, or worse.
Covid, climate change, blowing up the "experts" view.
https://nypost.com/2023/03/04/with-the-expert-covid-view-blown-up-green-terror-must-be-next/
Green fanatics, the numbers show, are just as much in the dark about the climate situation as Anthony Fauci et al were about COVID. Their “solutions” — ban gas stoves! mandate Teslas! eat mealworms! — are equally nonsensical, catering to the imaginations and emotions of rich progressives rather than aiming rationally to mitigate the (very real) risks climate change actually presents.
It’s time we stopped listening to them, for good.
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Subversive Elites. Trigger warning: Mises Institute.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/attack-subversive-elites
As I write in The Great Reset and the Struggle for Liberty, the Western world is in the grips and under the control of “subversive elites.” With inordinate power and influence, these people aren’t naturally superior but have as their object the undermining of Western civilization.
Hey, why bother striving for elite status if you can't then impose your ideas on others?
Semi-seriously: the quest for status and power predates humans. Just watch any documentary on monkeys in the wild (at least those produced before Nature et al. got all woke). Everything in their tribal groups, such as eating, sex, physical space, etc., is determined by status. They spend most of their time seeking and reinforcing status. Most individuals embrace submissive roles, while the elites fight to be on top. Any individual that challenges the tribal order is banished or killed. Sound familiar?
Racist!!! Monkey culture! M O N K E Y!
Using monkey culture to illustrate your point disqualifies you from polite society. Retreat to your cave in your mandated Tesla where you can destroy the planet with your racism!!!
No sarcasm was harmed during the writing of this diatribe.
Before I go, is "monkey" a biological thing, or should I embrace species fluidity and accommodate people, uh, beings who simply identify as monkey?
Identifying as a monkey is problematic. On the one hand, I am not a biologist so I can't distinguish between a monkey and a tardigrade. On the other hand, who am I to wade in on somebody else's live experience.
I hate me.
Youre trying to summon sqrsly aren't you.
Squirrel lives matter!
Not that one's.
Nuts matter too!
Transphobe alert. We can't be too careful.
There be crazy people out there.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/prof-demands-black-bereavement-leave-after-killing-any-black-person
Jones, whose work is "grounded in Critical Race Theory and Critical Race Feminism," ridicules the notion that, as a black woman, she would be "expected to return to 'business as usual' on Monday after seeing a member of my community murdered on Friday." The SIU-E campus is more than 300 miles from Memphis, and Jones gives no indication of any personal relationship with Nichols.
Feelings über alles.
"Gibs me dat" trumps feelings.
"I feel like I should have that."
Hey as the kkk of Smithsonian told us, blacks do care about showing up to work or family
Wait, I thought work and family, along with math and calendars, are white privilege.
Not the whole family, just fathers.
That picture of Nichols is heart breaking.
Maybe they could just send her home permanently. At least she wouldn't be infecting the minds of students there.
Black people kill each other every single day, so maybe her bereavement should be observed by a permanent absence from campus.
We would hear loud shrieks when she fails to receive a paycheck though.
Taming "Big Pharma".
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/states-can-break-through-pharmas-liability-shield
In Arkansas, Senate Bill 8 would make it criminal for pharmaceutical executives to knowingly hide, conceal, or withhold information regarding a medical product’s adverse effects if the product results in death or serious injury.
Both parties campaign against the excesses of the industry – President Biden bemoans domestic drug prices while Republicans announce their opposition to mandates. But the GOP has yet to deliver on its rhetoric despite state-level opportunities to curb the excesses of Big Pharma and impose liability.
There are good cops (I hear), there are criminally bad cops, and there are cops who are simply unsuited to the job (just as there are teachers who are unsuited to that job). They pass the screenings but fail when faced with a real life crisis. It has to be easier to correct the mistake of letting them be cops in the first place.
No matter how many psychological assessments we can subject aspiring cops to, nothing really tells the tale like on-the-job performance. It's not until they are faced with a crisis that we will know how they will react. Clearly we should rule out as candidates those who will be such cowards that they feel like they have to preemptively kill someone just because they can't see their hands - but we can't tell who those are ahead of time.
But once they are on the job, the incentives to protect that job are really powerful and hard to overcome, despite evidence that a person is not fit to be a cop after all. Pensions, for one thing.
So:
1) Keep improving the screening! Minimize the number of hiring errors we make in the first place. But recognize that it will never be perfect.
2) Make pensions defined-contribution and portable, so there is not so much threat of losing them (except under criminal circumstances). (The high pay is another factor, though, and is harder to deal with.)
3) De-stigmatize on the job failures arising from essential unsuitability for the job. Once evidence arises on-the-job that they are not fit to be cops, out they go, but with a handshake and a "thanks anyway." Essentially, they are subject to psychological screening for their entire careers (which is appropriate, given the powers we have granted them).
We try to weed out the unsuitable ahead of time, but clearly we can't. Often the failure we observe is not really theirs, it was letting them be cops in first place.
Ed
Excellent point by Ed. However hard we try, it's probably impossible to devise a scheme to screen out prospective police officers who pass all the psychological tests, but then find that they can't control their tempers when faced with daily abuse on the streets. We need to make it possible, indeed easy, for such officers to leave street duty without loss of security.
That's not going to be easy, of course. Ideally, we'd put such officers on desk duty, or set them to work in environments where they won't be subject to daily abuse. But then we'd need some kind of incentive for officers to do the unpleasant jobs, like higher pay for night duty in high-crime areas. And that means that officers have an economic incentive to deny that they've got anger issues so that they can keep that higher pay.
And that means punishment, and fairly harsh punishment, for officer misconduct. Give them an exit lane from the high-paying temper-straining duties; but also, make it clear that they're in a great deal of trouble if they don't take advantage of it but then lose control on the job.
The minute you call for a mental for a job the left will scream racism and ableism.
Hell, the minute you talk about "raising standards" at all, much less mental health requirements, you're going to get a damn stern REEEEEing, no doubt about it.
Ya can't diversify the force without LOWERING standards. Not enough sane, intelligent people apply for the force anyway.
The reason the diverse applicants need lower standards is the pathetic job the schools do. So you have to break the Teacher's Unions. But to do that, you have to break the stranglehold the Dem party has on urban governance. But to do that, you have to get them to stop pissing away their budgets on patronage jobs and crony contracts and cushy positions running programs to fight homelessness, or drugs, or...ah, fuck it. We're doomed.
There’s also the simple economic reality that the nicer suburbs that can pay better get the top police academy graduates. Those who can’t pay much get the dregs.
Helps if you look up the data instead of making bald assertions.
https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes333051.htm#st
Dumb, knee jerk reaction. Expected though.
Hi Tulpa.
You can call me tulip, as in your tulips belong on my organ.
Bye, Tulpa.
If only you really would go. You'd be so much happier at Salon.
Even if true, so what?
" . . . but decades ago the Supreme Court carved out the "qualified immunity" exception, which often blocks lawsuits for clearly unconstitutional abuses."
So the permanent fix is for the legislature to firmly tell the courts, by passing a law, that QI is wrong.
Good luck to us all.
Qi being eliminated would be a great thing for this country, imagine some guy suing fauci personally for the lock down
Tchyuh! As if.
Congress is so degraded, the only bills they ever really act on might as well be named the "Donor Reward and Suppression of Those Pesky Competitors Act".
The laws they do pass are designed to contain pleasing soundbites for the rubes...errr, voters back home and to be so poorly constructed and otherwise vaguely worded as to require the courts to untangle their actual intent.
Eliminating QI isn't enough. All forms of governmental immunity (judicial immunity, prosecutorial immunity, absolute immunity, etc.) must be eliminated. Even voters should be held accountable for the bozos they elect (when they voted for them). No more secret ballots!
America's economic growth in the fourth quarter of 2022 was weaker than initial estimates and also lagged behind third quarter numbers by 0.5%, according to statistics from the Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA).
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The revised Q4 estimate for GDP, which represents the sum of all goods and services produced within the United States, shows the economy grew at a rate of just 2.7%, 0.2% less than the initial estimate of 2.9%.
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The Biden administration's lengthening record of releasing overly sunny economic numbers only to backtrack later has raised growing questions about the credibility of government statistical reports.
https://justthenews.com/government/white-house/tomorrow-bad-news-wh-economic-front-bidens-financial-rhetoric-collapses
Hey, why bother controlling the media if you can't support your preferred narratives?
They did this for all 8 years of Obama's presidency. I'd say shrike hardest hit, but that dumb motherfucker wouldn't know facts if they bitch slapped him in the face.
Emails obtained by The Center Square through a public records request found instances where foreign citizens were registered to vote, in some cases despite them insisting during the licensing process that they were not U.S. citizens. According to the Washington Secretary of State’s Office, or SOS, state law does not allow it to verify citizenship when they receive a voter’s registration.
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As early as November 2018, DOL and SOS was receiving complaints of foreign voter registration. A Nov. 7, 2018 email from Vanessa Mathisen, an immigration attorney with World Relief Spokane, stated that “many of our clients are unwittingly getting registered to vote when they get their IDs, apply or receive any state benefits. Sometimes we find out because they get a summons for jury duty. Others we do not discover have been registered until they decide to apply for citizenship.”
https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/emails-washington-state-registered-many-foreign-nationals-vote
Now why would these false registrations be so pervasive in democrat strongholds...
Equity?
To counteract voter suppression?
https://twitter.com/PeImeniPusha/status/1632229314388443136?t=ICIvto8ITsheShG6zIZ6qQ&s=19
Two Ukrainian pilots are currently in the United States undergoing an assessment to determine how long it could take to train them to fly attack aircraft, including F-16 fighter jets, according to two congressional officials and a senior U.S. official.
The Ukrainians’ skills are being evaluated on simulators at a U.S. military base in Tucson, Arizona, the officials said, and they may be joined by more of their fellow pilots soon.
NBC News
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Media will continue to claim Joey B isn't escalating the conflict.
To be fair, I doubt Biden is making these decisions.
“The thing I have a problem with is the selective outrage,” he said, adding that people who express “selective outrage” are “full of s***.” “Motherf***ers typing out woke a*s tweets on a phone made by child slaves,” he continued. “Not only is everybody full of s***, every business is full of s***.”
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“I was in the mall the other day, I went by the store Lululemon, I walk by and in the window of every Lululemon there’s a sign that says, ‘we don’t support racism, sexism, discrimination, or hate,'” he said. “And I’m like, ‘who gives a f***?’ You’re just selling yoga pants. I don’t need your yoga pants politics.”
Chris Rocks new Netflix special just dropped.
Everytime I place an order at the drive-thru, I always say, "Before I order, I need you to swear an oath that you are not sexist, racist, anti-semitic, anti-trans, anti-climate change, anti-vax, anti-science, in favor of the exploitation of children, abusive toward animals, or have committed any other unspecified sin against civilization."
What about spitting in your food?
FBI Whistleblower: FBI political leadership pressuring field offices to target conservatives and the religious.
https://justthenews.com/accountability/whistleblowers/fbi-politicized-j6-pro-lifers-whistleblowers-testimonies-house-panel
The Democratic Party's Gestapo.
It can't be fixed anymore. The FBI has to be closed down.
https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1632368208391946243?t=PyK-a8DG4ZBcDxuHGud02Q&s=19
Wokeness is a cult
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One would think that an ostensibly libertarian publication would at least mention that privatizing police would make them more accountable, instead of merely being "accountable" to government bureaucrats
How about privatizing charity?
In some anarchist-libertarian armchair theorizing, but in real life it would be likely the cops would be accountable to those who are paying their salary, and run roughshod over others.
Pinkertons.
I never understood how that would work. Who hires these private police? The people who live in an area? How is that different from government?
You're not supposed to talk about that
Typical leftist intellect
https://twitter.com/LeftwardSwing/status/1631804298123427841?t=Eyl3Lhcz9omctyLLj0ddww&s=19
I'm not one to retweet war footage because I find it appalling & disgusting. This is a very rare exception & one of the few times I will & it's because the footage is just incredible. This is something straight out of Hollywood.
Russian Mig (?) Vs. Stinger missile
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Lol video game
In the metaverse it's true!
All those laws of physics being obviously abused.
"It's totally real, guys!"
Their rapid expulsion from the police force and the unwillingness of the Fraternal Order of Police to stand up for them will likely do more to make the next officer think twice about wielding his Taser and truncheon than any specific set of rules Jim Jordan and his pals can dream up.
I really don't know about that. Tyre Nichols isn't dead because he was tased-you could argue that if the taser had actually worked properly, he'd have been handcuffed at the initial stop and the asshole who went David Beckham on his skull would never have been involved in his arrest. Likewise, surely officers had to understand that murder by beating a man to death is wrong.
We'd be better off suited by limiting interactions with police by decriminalizing and reducing the scope of laws and of the government. The over-generalization of duties of police officers is a problem because the same people who might respond to an active shooter situation also get called when someone is rear-ended at a stop light, or when there's a guy selling loose cigarettes, or when grandma isn't answering the phone. They want to be trained for the most horrific scenarios, but that means they're always ready to encounter the most horrific possible scenarios, and treat their most mundane interactions like it's the battle of Mogadishu.
Reducing the scope of government? That's fascist talk!
Irony intended.
The one cop in my family spends the majority of his time dealing with homeless people.
What race is he? Since you spend most of your family posts mentioning race.
Seeing as the cop is an ex gang member diversity hire I'm betting he doesn't realize murder is wrong
Likewise, surely officers had to understand that murder by beating a man to death is wrong.
I don't think they do. Seriously. If you watch any YouTube videos of cops after they beat someone to death, the first thing they do is brag about it to all their buddies. As more cops arrive at the scene they lament that they didn't get to join the "fight." As if a dozen against one is a fight.
Once you understand that the people who seek out the job do so because they want the opportunity to beat someone to death, police behavior makes a lot more sense.
My high school, there was a legendary bully, about whom us geeks had mixed feeling because he would even bully the bullies who bullied US! He bullied the jocks, the gangsters, the Mexicans, he bullied EVERYBODY and most of the teachers were afraid of him.
When he graduated, everybody was relieved until they found out he'd already been accepted to join the local police force.
Dane
@UltraDane
Teacher's union brings lawsuit against the Mom of a 5 yr old for asking to have a copy of the class curriculum. They wanted to send a message to other parents, "If you ask questions, we will come after you".
VIDEO
https://mobile.twitter.com/UltraDane/status/1631507091084169218
"She didn't build that (the 5 year old)!"
"Congressmen know better than most that the mere act of passing a law guarantees nothing, and that making something illegal is not the same thing as eliminating it."
Geez, then get better congressmen who truly believe that laws create new realities, and will just legislate harder. How else can Marxism and other utopian visions succeed?
Get rid of all laws for being ineffective. That will cut down on the need for police.
https://twitter.com/pepesgrandma/status/1632318892248018944?t=klncCr4kpNFgpvXv1nHaFA&s=19
Breaking explosive thread! The Biden admin essentially gave tens of millions in State Dept seed money to a Global Disinformation Index partner and funder! AND also to the founder of the Trusted News Initiative!
The Biden cash went to the International Fund for Public Interest Media which was founded by Omidyar Luminate and BBC Media.
Luminate funds and is partnered with the Global Disinformation Index.
The BBC runs the Trusted News Initiative.
The Trusted News Initiative is allegedly responsible for much global censorship including for Covid as per the Robert Kennedy lawsuit.
(Omidyar Luminate also runs “Reset”, another funder.
And as already exposed, the State Dept Disinfo Cloud and Ned both funded the first disinfo index directly.)
@DailyCaller
@dcexaminer
@robbysoave
@CannConActual
@mattgaetz
Disinformation Index funding evidence is at the link.
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Most evidence is in the linked thread. But I will have more down below.
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Hate to see Robbie on the list. But laughing my ass off.
Fauci atef to be interviewed by him for a reason
Interesting. Open Society Foundations appears on one of the lists.
So that explains Buttplug.
That's the thing- we're not dealing with a bunch of different entities. All these organizations are just different brands of the same cabal.
https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1632182185519095808?t=28ShZnmvq1IGr40fViRJYA&s=19
Cambridge Dictionary is crap.
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What would happen if we applied the same goal of perfect behavior for cops to all people that we want in our communities?
That's really dumb. You're comparing people who have to follow the law to people whose job is to commit assault, burglary and murder for the government.
Why do you keep posting about people and not ideas!!!!
Dumb? If we had better people, then we would not need cops.
Yeah, dumb. Nobody is demanding perfect behavior. Just consequences for bad behavior.
No more of this “Aw shucks, he meant well when he beat that man to death while he was in handcuffs. How could he have known it was wrong? There was no legal precedent. Besides that nobody trained him to not beat people to death while restrained and in custody. Let’s just let bygones be bygones.”
Not just that, I've seen "The poor cop has to live with blowing away some innocent sucker... that's punishment enough"!
I do occasionally come across articles about officers who commit suicide after a fatal shooting. Correlation does not equal causation though.
I always hope it’s because they can’t live with themselves and all the evil they do on a daily basis. Just wish they’d take more down with them.
https://twitter.com/SimonMoyaSmith/status/1631875716110483457?t=G15pXfmwOuqoaaDaU7uLVQ&s=19
Before white people came to this land, there were no jails, no homelessness, no laws against homosexuality or abortion. For thousands of years, Indigenous peoples emphasized health, housing, freedom to love who you love and the fact that we need Mother Earth. She doesn’t need us.
Part of all longer lasting authoritarian control gas required a change of historical texts. From Mao to Stalin. It is one of their primary tactics.
Be fair. Chances are the dumb cunt actually believes her bullshit.
Oh I totally agree. So did the children taught under Mao. So did the children of the SS. Indoctrination of the young.
"For thousands of years, Indigenous peoples emphasized health, housing, freedom to love who you love and the fact that we need Mother Earth."
Oh yeah, the Aztec and Inca were all about that, and not war, conquest, empire, slavery and mass human sacrifices.
Huitzilopochtli ♥s You!
Giving your heart to Huitzilopochtli had a very different, more literal meaning than giving your heart to Jesus.
Just wait til He returns!
It’s Jesus. He’s Back. He’s Mad and He’s Run out of Cheeks.
https://twitter.com/WilliamA_33/status/1632126743703179264?t=mzoC06bOOeqZ93t-Jm5Gcg&s=19
Mohamed Bakari Shei was convicted of raping girls ranging in ages from four to nine. He received 180 days in jail.
Nick Ochs was convicted of obstruction of an official proceeding on January 6th. He destroyed no property and harmed no one. He smoked a cigarette in the Capitol building. He received four years in prison.
This shows us that we have two systems of justice. It also shows us what the government truly values. Raping multiple young girls is only worth six months, but if a congress member has to cower in fear under a bench to hide from a man in a buffalo suit… that’s worth four years.
Equity?
Correct
If they hadn't been dressed like THAT!
This guy got just probation for raping 4 girls too don't forget:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/18/nyregion/christopher-belter-rape-sentence.html
Oops sorry that guy wasn't black or Muslim. I guess he doesn't count.
Noted Neo Nazi right wing worse than Hitler AND trump talks about the latest Twitter dump.
When I testified at a recent hearing on the Twitter Files, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) criticized me for offering “legal opinions” without actually working at Twitter. As I have noted, it is like saying that a witness should not discuss the contents of the Pentagon Papers unless he worked at the Pentagon. It was particularly bizarre because the content of the Twitter Files — like the Pentagon Papers — are “facts.” The implication of those facts are opinions.
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Twitter, however, is confirming these emails from the government — so we are not imagining trout.
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“Opinion” is what we should do about it. While insisting there is nothing to “factually” see here, Democrats insist on remaining willfully blind. Rather than investigate the full scope of the government’s insular censorship programs and efforts, we are told to trust the government. In the meantime, we are left with the same game of whack-a-mole: We strike down a Disinformation Board, and a Disinformation Index pops up … we strike down a Disinformation Index, and a disinformation blacklisting appears.
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Using third-party groups gives the government added cover — to a degree. The government is not allowed to engage in censorship, but Twitter has shown that censorship-by-surrogate has its own potential risks, including the possible legal status of a company as an agent of the government. While Twitter, as a private company, is not controlled by the First Amendment, it can become an agent of the government and trigger constitutional protections.
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/3883931-twitter-discloses-another-possible-government-censorship-effort/
I want to preface this by saying we KNOW illegal immigration has no cost per Reason and open border advocates.
So NYC spending 5M a day on illegal immigrants has to be public corruption.
https://nypost.com/2023/03/03/bidens-migrant-mess-costing-new-york-city-5-million-a-day/
Reparations.
Know better than most? I beg to differ; they don’t know it at all. That old pharaoh line, “So let it be said, so let it be done”, is their mantra — pass a law, no matter how irrelevant or sloppy, problem solved.
Anything that contrary to fact right from the start is not worth reading any further.
Law can create incentives, but they can't create intentions. Bad cops are gonna bad cop, no matter what the law says.
https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1632395404426846211?t=AEr8JhbdDBOutgS_IlkXBQ&s=19
I just talked to a recent college graduate who had to read White Fragility three times and America's founding documents zero times in order to get her degree.
Is she now a liberal female with near-suicidal clinical depression?
Should be
That is sad and funny at the same time.
The (Libertarian) Case for Slavery Reparations
The case for (limited) reparations can be found in a proper understanding of property rights.
Saturday, February 25, 2023
Which one of you Peanuts wrote this?
https://fee.org/articles/the-libertarian-case-for-slavery-reparations/
Jeff's or Mikes branch of liberaltarians. Not shocked you posted it.
If he would have actually read it I don't think Shrike would've posted it.
It's the Thomas Sowell branch of libertarianism:
https://fee.org/articles/30-priceless-quotes-from-the-great-thomas-sowell/
Um, no. At least not on reparations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMZ-hmsBtAk
Try again shrike.
Gurdon: On the question of race, something that comes through at the end of your book is that you oppose reparations to blacks for slavery.
Sowell: Yes. Slavery was one of the longest living, most universal of all human institutions. Now that says something about human nature. So if you had reparations for slavery, virtually everybody on the planet would have had an ancestor somewhere who was enslaved. The number of whites who were enslaved in North Africa was larger than the number of blacks who were enslaved in the United States.
Cool. So Africa owes me $5 million.
Shrike never actually reads his own links. It's a source of pride for him.
Someday, you’ll learn to read your own links. Till then, you’re just an ignorant pedophile.
I normally like the Foundation for Economic Education. But that article is toilet paper.
There are too many libertarian splinter groups.
Ron Paul Paleos
Hayek Liberals (my group)
Koch Liberaltarians
Sowell libertarians
Trump Big Government Conservatives (H&R)
just to name a few
That author is an anarcho-capitalist. I’ve got no use for such people because they deny basic human nature. There will always be government because there will always be a gang of men with the last word in violence who rob everyone in the name of protection and call it taxation.
The slightly shocking thing about QI is how it's constantly being expanded, from not holding cops accountable for heat-of-the-moment decisions to excusing government officials in general for ongoing decisions, and, in one recent case, acknowledging that, yes, there was a knowable constitutional breach but the plaintiff didn't plead it properly - he didn't explain why locking someone up for weeks after they should have been released was unreasonable. The fucking Fifth Circuit, naturally.
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca5/21-30625/21-30625-2023-02-14.html
The right to timely release is clearly established. But Taylor failed to adequately brief—and has thus forfeited—any meritorious argument that Secretary LeBlanc’s behavior was objectively unreasonable in light of that right. Accordingly, we must reverse.
That is assuredly not what was envisaged when the activist SC invented QI in the first place.
QI isn't being expanded. It has always applied to all government employees. It's just that cops are the ones who make the news.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierson_v._Ray
Do some more digging. QI applies to all state and government officials, not just cops.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksibilla/2020/06/11/court-rejects-qualified-immunity-for-cops-who-shot-a-motionless-black-man-22-times/?sh=5eb4773a9d29
"The court’s ruling comes amid an unprecedented surge of interest in qualified immunity. On Monday, the Congressional Black Caucus unveiled the Justice in Policing Act of 2020, which, among its many reforms, would eliminate qualified immunity for local and state law enforcement officers. That proposal comes on the heels of the End Qualified Immunity Act, sponsored by Reps. Justin Amash (L-MI) and Ayanna Pressley (D-MA), which would end qualified immunity for all local and state government officials, not just police officers and prison guards."
How can QI end for all local and state officials if they don't already have it?
January 6th is actually starting to look more and more like it was part of an insurrection, just not in the way White Mike says.
FBI Shielded Identities Of Undercover Assets Who May Have Been Inside Capitol On Jan. 6
"The FBI’s Washington Field Office (WFO) affirmed that there may have been “undercover officers” and “confidential human sources” inside the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021...
The FBI’s Washington Field Office requested the Boston Field Office open investigations into 140 individuals who took buses from Massachusetts to D.C. on Jan. 6., but denied the office’s request to see video proving those individuals were inside the Capitol, FBI whistleblower George Hill said during a Feb. 10 interview with the House Select Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government. The office claimed they needed to “protect” the identity of possible undercover agents, according to Hill...
You can't expect criminal courts to hold their own accountable. It's not going to happen.
So... I propose a simple solution to bad cops: eliminate QI and make them carry liability insurance for civil suits. No more indemnifying. Just make every cop pay for their own liability insurance to cover them when they lose in civil court. Bad cops won't be able to afford the insurance and will have to find a respectable profession. Like dishwasher.
Here's a paper arguing that many women's fear of being sexually assaulted is connected to their being 'White' or 'Republican.'
Fear of rape can be due to being 'White' or 'Republican'
...it is a 'myth' that 'police officers will protect women from sexual violence.'
So #MeToo was a Republican plot to take down Al Franken and Andrew Cuomo?
Scotland Just Banned a Surgical Anaesthetic Because of Climate Change.
Here, lass, just bite down on the wee stick while we cut out yer kidney.
Between this and the ungodly amount of pollution caused by used sharps, it's probably high time we consider banning anesthesia/anesthetic altogether.
My longtime Usenet ally, Christopher Charles Morton, provuided all the data we need on climate change.
https://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=380576&p=4522430#post4522430
Is it any wonder he greatly influenced my own political views for twenty-five years?
We also need to stop the waste produced by single-use hypodermic needles. If reusable needles are good enough for junkies, they're good enough for hospitals.
It's hilarious reading the statements put forward supposedly to indicate how big a contribution that gas was making, and then thinking about how tiny a role all of anesthesia, or medicine generally, plays in the overall picture, and realizing how insignificant this issue is:
"I realised in 2017 that the amount of desflurane we used in a typical day's work as an anaesthetist resulted in emissions equivalent to me driving 670 miles that day."
And if all the anesthetists in the world stopped using it, that'd be equivalent to 1 part in how many of all the world's driving mileage?
Wow, according to wingnuts the Leak Theory on COVID backed the Dotard up.
But:
The Wall Street Journal added to that debate this week when they reported that the U.S. Department of Energy has shifted its stance on the origin of COVID. It now concludes, with "low confidence," that the pandemic most likely arose from a laboratory leak in Wuhan, China.
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The agency based its conclusion on classified evidence that isn't available to the public. According to the federal government, "low confidence" means "the information used in the analysis is scant, questionable, fragmented, or that solid analytical conclusions cannot be inferred from the information.".
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/02/28/1160162845/what-does-the-science-say-about-the-origin-of-the-sars-cov-2-pandemic
It still is in the CT category, in other words.
Virologists who study pandemic origins are much less divided than the U.S. intelligence community. They say there is "very convincing" data and "overwhelming evidence" pointing to an animal origin.
Yep, the lab leak theory is still pure CT.
So all those organs of the US government are also into CT?
Damn, you really are retarded, Shrike.
What I've been seeing in the Daily Mail is that some government agency said the virus might have originated in a Wuhan lab.
According to conspiracy theorists, that means there is no doubt.
Odd how the Trump Cult suddenly believes the "deep state" Dept of Energy but disputes normal GDP numbers from the Bureau of Economic Analysis.
I literally just posted above how Bidens numbers always get revised down for GDP and up for inflation. Lol. Wow.
Well yeah. Always reject anything that doesn't further the narrative.
And the idiot can’t help but push a narrative.
Amazing how quickly you go from disagreeing on a shrike premise then immediately defending his premise if he trashes the right. Despite his premise being wrong.
See below. Neither of you actually read the article. You and sarc are so predictably retarded I feel like I’m shooting fish in a barrel some days.
But this is the hardest for them to swallow without major cognitive dissonance:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64806903
“FBI chief Christopher Wray says China lab leak most likely”
How Mike?
How is there cognitive dissonance? You and your pet idiot, sarcasmic, are being so utterly disingenuous, here.
You two are actually trying to argue that because some people think that the government tells lies, they have to believe everything that they say is automatically a lie.
What mind blowing sophistry. That's not even an argument a middle-schooler would make.
Sarc and Mike were wrong when posters here were discussing this in 2020. Ironically they were the ones with cognitive biases. They still claim if you discussed it back then you were a conspiracy theorist. No new information has actually been discovered since that time.
FBI raided Trump! They can't do anything right!
FBI suggest conspiracy theory is true! They can't do anything wrong!
Of course, the cognitive dissonance could be solved by simply realizing the FBI is a mixed bag, or what Vonnegut would have called a granfalloon, but then you can’t enjoy a partisan outrage fix. And if you can’t have continual outrage fixes then you might as well go out, talk to people about things other than politics, touch grass, enjoy your Sunday.
(I’m probably just bitter myself because I’m doing housecleaning this morning. Checking out Reason while the kitchen floor is drying. 🙂 )
Can either of you retards cite a single example for your strawman? The two idiots still calling others who were right conspiracy theorists.
The level of self delusion you two exhibit is astounding.
It’s all about like and dislike. They like Trump and they don't like China. Conservatives claim to be on the side of liberty, and you can convince some that victimless crimes gotta go. Except when it comes to furners. Then they’ll insist that walking around without papers is worse than murder and rape.
Projection. Good work buddy. You literally show it just above with shrike.
It's amusing he recognizes this about others but not himself. If sarc has one consistency it's that he has never applied a standard he judges others by to himself.
He'll troll the fuck out of the comments, but as soon as people start pushing back they're all mean girls and bullies.
Examples please.
Your response to shrike above.
Nobody is saying that retard. Beyond pathetic.
Literally nobody here has, or ever will say that.
WTF?
They had no doubt when there wasn’t any evidence at all, so it makes sense they’d have no doubts now that there is inconclusive evidence.
A lack of evidence is proof of a coverup.
Unless it’s someone on your partisan team that all the evidence points to.
Yes, because there was shitloads of evidence that the Coronavirus was created in a farmers market, and not the virology laboratory specializing in Coronaviruses a mere 300 meters away.
But help me out guys, I can't find any of that totally real farmers market evidence online. Do you two geniuses have a link that would back up your super-smart claims of farmers market origins?
Fucking clowns.
It is then rationalizing why they were never wrong. Pure self delusion.
Except the only place there was a lack of evidence was the claim that Randy and Mickey fucked a pengulin.
Please not let it be true. Please not let it be true. Please not let it be true... not another one... can't we hold on to just ONE?
Holding onto … reserving judgement about something that happened halfway across the world, when there is no practical consequence of reserving judgment. Holding onto … not having an opinion on a matter partisans want everyone to get worked up about.
Yup, pretty awful.
So you didn't attack others who were right the last 3 years.
i wAs reSeRVinG juDgeMeNT!"
The hell you were Mike. A year ago isn't too long to remember you calling for the removal of people from social media for saying what everyone now knows.
Compare how sarc forcefully asserts this conclusion with how he addressed the left as they followed the same template claiming certainty without evidence. Did he impute partisan motives while making constant attacks? Of course not. In fact he barely mentioned it, always minimizing their involvement and emphasizing some other error by the right.
This is how we can conclude his only goal here is attacking the right and defending the left. The circumstances are entirely irrelevant.
The Department of Energy is, strangely enough, the department that oversees virology laboratories under its Office of Science Laboratories. Wuhan (obviously) wasn't one of its National Laboratories, but it's services were occasionally used. If any American government department knows what was going on in the Wuhan Lab, it's the DoE.
https://www.energy.gov/national-laboratories
Somehow though your NPR article failed to tell readers that.
Also, you didn't actually read your article again, did you?
According to the federal government, “low confidence” means “the information used in the analysis is scant, questionable, fragmented, or that solid analytical conclusions cannot be inferred from the information...
Four of the eight intelligence agencies lean toward a natural origin for the virus, with "low confidence,"
Uh, oh. Poor Shrike.
"the DOE and the Federal Bureau of Investigation — support a lab origin, with the latter having "moderate confidence" about its conclusion.
You could save yourself a world of embarrassment, Shrike, by reading the article before you post them.
Are you shocked sarc and shrike don't know the basis of their comments?
You and Jesse were too stupid to read this from above:
Virologists who study pandemic origins are much less divided than the U.S. intelligence community. They say there is “very convincing” data and “overwhelming evidence” pointing to an animal origin
Except "virologists" is this context is unsupported weasel wording, you dishonest fuck.
You have to ignore at lot of actual virologists and papers to make your stupid fucking claim.
The funny thing is that if it turns out to have resulted from an accident at the lab, that would make Trump culpable, since his budgets cut NIH funding for coronavirus research prior to (and after) the pandemic.
What you people don't seem to get is that liberal politics is not just the equal and opposite conspiracy theories to the ones that fill all your time. We don't hang our self-esteem on being proven right about some esoteric thing we couldn't possibly have had the confidence enough to know at the time.
It would make Fauci culpable because he was sponsoring Wuhan, but maybe you want to explain how budgets cut NIH funding means virologists not practicing basic safety procedures.
You're honestly too stupid to argue here, Tony. Have you tried HuffPo?
I really don't have the patience for these Facebook-generated hero-and-villain stories you people entertain yourselves with instead of having a culture.
Canada’s Election Watchdog Opens Probe Into Allegations of Chinese Meddling to Keep Trudeau in Power
The decision came after a shitload of leaked intelligence reports showed the CCP tried to tilt the outcomes of the elections in 2019 and 2021 in favor of Trudeau.
I think that World Economic Forum director and trustee, Chrystia Freeland, is getting tired of his stupidity though. Fortunately for her she also happens to be the Deputy Prime Minister of Canada, so this might be an excellent opportunity to get rid of the drama teacher's assistant.
China, China, China! (in Jan Brady's voice)
That's a pretty good impersonation of Eric Swalwell at the height of bedroom passion.
https://twitter.com/empathyhaver/status/1632202026883985408?t=3JjxKdlEsU449IAeB9NiiQ&s=19
Reminder that this was in Time magazine about the 2020 election, possibly the most insane and jaw-dropping paragraph put out by a mainstream news organization
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Larry Hogan decides NOT to run for GOP POTUS nomination.
"Not crazy enough" among the reasons cited.
Not shocked you'd be a Hogan fan. Uniparty is your love.
Neocons, RINOs and Shrike, oh my!
Buttplug's predictable.
How the fuck is 'punish bad people to deter bad behavior' even slightly "counterintuitive"?
It works for kids, we think it works for regular criminals. Why wouldn't you expect it work for criminal cops?
The interesting point is that many people argue punishment doesn't deter illegal aliens or criminals but claim it obviously will deter police.
Of course punishment deters criminals. Who says it doesn't? Cite, please.
There is a more interesting question about illegal aliens but that's based on the (relatively fixed) magnitude of the punishment compared to the conditions that they are fleeing. When the calculation is three meals a day in a Texas jail vs starving to death at home, maybe you're not actually "punishing" the illegal aliens.
Surprise! Biden’s FAA Nominee Doesn’t Know Anything About Aviation
It’s all about diversity, you racists.
Knowledge is white privilege, and qualifications are racist.
Punishing bad cops totally works.
Punishing illegal migrants or drug abuse totally does not.
—Reason
So you're equating assault and murder with not having papers and consuming unapproved chemicals.
Talk about false equivalence.
Or is it your rationalization for lack of principles?
I’m not equating anything. I’m pointing out an inconsistency in Reason’s beliefs about the efficacy of laws.
Drug convictions fuck up someone's life. They are automatically excluded from all kinds of employment, can't get student loans, in some states are barred from owning guns, and that's just off the top of my head.
The idea is that bad cops won't be able to cop anymore.
Are you functionally illiterate?
Drug abuse, in a civilian context, violates no one's rights.
You’re conflating two issues - the moral justice of drug laws and the effectiveness of drug laws as a deterrent.
Drug abuse, in a civilian context, violates no one’s rights.
It does if the government takes my money for his treatment.
Would you compromise at human shit all over the sidewalk?
That’s wrong, but it’s also irrelevant, since I wasn’t talking about rights.
Reason authors claim that punishment for illegal drug use and illegal migration are ineffective at reducing the behavior. That is inconsistent with the belief that punishment for police is effective at reducing the behavior.
Punishment is effective when it is much worse than the alternative.
Punishment for cop: He goes to jail and gets beat up. Alternative to punishment for cop: He gets to keep his job and pension and beat up more people.
Punishment for migrant: He gets jailed in U.S. or kicked back over the border to try again. Alternative to punishment for migrant: He gets to stay in Guatemala and get killed by cartels along with his family.
Punishment for heavy drug user: He gets parole or jailed which isn’t that bad since his life is already shit. If it’s parole he still gets to use. Alternative to punishment for drug user: He gets more drugs which he is really, really addicted to.
I appreciate that you are trying to make a rational response, unlike the other posters. Let's look at your arguments.
Most illegal migrants come because their earnings are higher here and because they want to send money back to their families. A few years In US prison without the ability to earn any money is far worse than staying in their country of origin.
Currently, drug users effectively aren't jailed at all in most of the US. And your analysis hints at how drug enforcement against users should function. In particular, the legal "punishment" for drug use should be institutionalization with mandatory treatment for the addiction, with release only once they are not addicted anymore. This should be followed by continuous health monitoring for several years, with re-institutionalization when there is any indication of drug use.
I can't imagine why.
Resumes Including ‘They/Them’ Pronouns Are More Likely to Be Overlooked, New Report Finds.”
How about resumes with any pronouns?
News flash: employers would rather not hire kooks.
And the stupid Red vs Blue Team culture war escalated.
https://news.yahoo.com/michael-knowles-says-transgender-community-195118333.html
This Knowles guy, who was relatively unknown, is getting himself talked about. Meanwhile, I had to mute someone I was following on Mastodon because he was ranting that because of those jerk’s speech at CPAC anyone who is even friends or maintains family ties with a Republican is a Nazi.
The article you cite is a literal lie. He said the ideology that promotes it must be ended. Not transgenderism. Are you too intellectually lazy to actually watch the video Mike? Or just here to push leftist narratives as usual?
They can't get past a headline let alone actually read or watch their own cites.
You guys both missed the point. The point was a flex about using Mastodon.
Q: An atheist, a vegan and a Mastodon user walk into a bar... how do you know?
A: They all told you within two minutes.
Why would I “flex” about using Mastodon?
Using Mastodon is not that interesting, nor something to be proud or ashamed of.
And when you laughed about it, they muted you.
If it wasn't for the mute button Mike would have to actually see all those citations and links he demands, and that would be embarrassing.
"Transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely."
I watched the video.
But I don't think semantics matter that much when you're plainly calling for actual genocide.
I encourage more people like this to be intimately associated with the Republican party.
Transgenderism is a person? Who is it?
What did I just say about semantics?
I don't know what transgenderism is. Do you? Sounds like a concept or an idea.
Why are conservatives obsessed with using the state to control what people think?
I'm always amused when people attempt to dismiss a point by calling it "semantics", as if saying what you actually mean and having your actual words understood were unimportant.
Since you know what he actually means, why don't you explain it to me.
How do conservatives want to use the state to eliminate transgenderism from public life entirely?
"conservatives want to use the state to eliminate transgenderism from public life"
They don't, they just want to stop you from castrating and mutilating minors and sexualizing kids.
And when are you going to wake up and realize that these are actually confused gay kids that they're targeting, telling them that they're actually girls and should be neutered.
Where would you be today if some Munchausen-by-proxy addled freak had gaslit you into getting your balls cut off as a kid?
Gullible tool.
Suddenly a bunch of dirt-eating Christ humpers are experts on the human sexuality spectrum. And while trying to ban books on the subject!
Mutilating children is already illegal.
You're sticking your nose in the business of children, parents, and doctors when nobody invited it to be there.
You don't have to be an expert on human sexuality to see that a lot of these young boys are being told that certain things are effeminate and instead of telling them to embrace that, they're insisting that the boy must actually be a girl.
It's so obviously misogynistic and homophobic that even stupid "Christ humpers" can fucking see it. I'm sorry your bigotry and hatred have blinded you to it.
I assume that what he actually said is what he meant. Do you have an alternate way of determining his thoughts?
If it's a concept it, by definition, can't be genocide.
Thanks for playing Tony.
"plainly calling for actual genocide."
You obviously didn't watch the video everyone else watched or maybe it just got weirdly translated by some defective part of your brain. I'm usually reluctant claim anything is a lie, but I'll make an exception in this case.
On the subject of cops, a couple of interesting developments over the last couple of days. First, far left Lori Lightbrain got ousted as mayor of Chicago. Second, it looks like Sleepy Joe Biden is going to renege on his promise to grant more legal autonomy to the District of Columbia.
There's no mistaking what these events mean: they're a tacit acknowledgment all around that the so-called "Defund the Police" movement and the far left wing Soros-backed non-prosecuting prosecutors have utterly failed and are a complete and total disaster. Even democratic party voters are making that clear now, and their party is obviously listening, not because they really want to, but because they don't have a choice.
Will Reason, who completely supported all this bullshit, ever admit or acknowledge any of this? Of course they won't, they never ever do. They'll continue to do what they always do, which is insult everyone's intelligence and simply pretend that they never actually said all the stupid shit we all saw and heard them say.
“There is a technocratic temptation to think that the problem of police brutality can be solved by making or attracting better cops. Proposals range from requiring a college education for police officers to simply increasing the number of hours of training required, from the current average of 650 to something closer to Finland’s 5,500 or at least Canada’s 1,000.”
What’s funny there, is that the left has made policing, in big progressive cities, so bad, that departments that used to require college degrees, no longer do. The five black cops involved in the death of Tyre Nichols very likely never would have been hired only a couple years earlier. They are also waiving felony convictions in some cities. The good cops are fleeing these cities, to either retire early, or to go to work for much more congenial suburban and rural police departments. That leaves the bad cops, to train the next generation of cops, who are likely to be less well educated and more likely convicted felons. That’s what you get when your politicians support BLM, AntiFA, and Defund The Police. And when Soros backed DAs refuse to jail the criminals they legitimately arrest. It’s disheartening when criminals are back out on the street for violent crimes, before the police have finished their paperwork. It’s almost as if the politicians don’t care about the crimes, just the criminals, and at the bottom of the list are the police who are expected to enforce laws without the backing of the politicians. And then they wonder about the quality of cops they get willing to work for them.
Why can't we do both? Why can't we hire more BIPOC officers who, as evidence shows are far more likely to show proper sensitivity to underserved neighborhoods and act "better" than their white counterparts AND allow the public to directly sue the police officer and the teacher who make thirty two five a year and are upside down on their houses?
You can do both. But probably not where it really counts, in big cities, run by Democrats, across the country. The politicians willingly, and quickly, sacrifice the police they have for political gain. That turns a hard job into a really shitty one. One that normal people really don’t want to do.
who make thirty two five a year and are upside down on their houses?
They can be required to carry personal liability insurance, as many other professionals do.
The problem with removing qualified immunity is that this country is lawsuit happy
Bad cops should be arrested and go to jail. Then lose qualified immunity once convicted
Removing qualified immunity is being proposed as a remedy for the fact that prosecutors will NOT send criminal cops to jail.
So the proposed solution doesn't come anywhere close to addressing the claimed problem
If cops get sued instead of prosecuted, isn't that better than nothing? Right now, they normally face no punishment at all even for egregious conduct.
If the court system is corrupt, maybe a bigger problem than isolated incidents of shitty cops.
QI doesn't assert itself. Judges do.
“Three years after the death of George Floyd—and two years after the death of the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act, which passed the House in 2021 but stalled in the Senate—many of the same policing reform proposals are still being endlessly debated.”
Said with no self consciousness whatsoever, and a progressive’s slavish adherence to the left’s prevailing narrative. You forget that Floyd had a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system, as well as a sizable amount of meth. He had apparently swallowed his merchandise, when he saw the cops coming. Had done so before, and survived. But had had COVID-19 in the interim, that apparently left lung damage. He was going through a fentanyl OD at the time, as is obvious by his symptoms. Foaming at the mouth, unable to breathe, etc. Masking them, to some extent, was the meth, which interspersed some manic episodes. He was removed from the police car, and placed on the ground, when it became obvious that he was in medical distress. Paramedics were called. He was placed on his side, and kept there so that he wouldn’t asphyxiate in his own vomit - which is a well known occurrence with narcotics overdoses. This was per training. The urgency of the paramedic call was then upped from Code 3 to 4. Because of the jeering crowds, the paramedics couldn’t get through until too late. There was no bruising on his neck whatsoever from the supposedly fatal pressure put there. Indeed, the entirety of the forensic evidence in the first trial made an OD the most likely cause of death. But the highly political, Black Muslim MN AG Keith Ellison wanted a show trial, showing that Whitey was killing his people, and was able to buy a conviction, with the resources of his department behind him. And even more Minneapolis police officers fled the toxic environment Ellison helped cause. Why would anyone want to work in a police department, when the politicians were so willing to sacrifice them for political advantage?
A jury didn't buy the defense's bullshit for a change, thank goodness.
Which statement above is untrue?
"He had it coming."
Those exact words weren't there, but that was the spirit.
Dehumanize the fucker. Who cares if he died. He had it coming. Heck, the cops did everyone a favor by taking him out of circulation, right? He was doing all kinds of wrong shit. So who cares what the cops did? Dude was a mess!
People who feel that way actually applaud when police kill someone. They had it coming.
Unresponsive.
No. He didn’t have it coming. But the cops didn’t cause him to very likely OD on fentanyl either. (He had several times the level that can be lethal in his system).
Wow.
The five officers who attacked Nichols have been charged with murder and other crimes. But because criminal charges against police are rare, it should also be possible to hold law enforcement officials accountable in civil proceedings, where regular citizens can initiate proceedings and seek justice.
This recommendation skips the first step: effective management. Police who can't perform the job as directed by management should be fired. Misconduct not resulting in firing should be understood as approved by management, at which point management should be fired. None of this happens because unions protect shitty employees and management can't be held responsible if the appropriate steps are not available to them.
The first step in effective law enforcement reform is eliminating police unions.
I agree that police unions need to go. All public unions need to go.
That still won't solve problems like bad cops just going to the next town, or "good cops" (if there is such a thing) looking the other way.
Doctors and lawyers need to carry insurance for when they fuck up. If the insurance premiums get to high they must find another line of work.
Apply the same thing to cops and many problems will change overnight. Incentives matter. As it is the incentive structure is such that they escalate at every opportunity and do as much harm as they can. If they had to carry insurance and knew they wouldn't be indemnified by the taxpayers, they'd have an incentive to actually serve and protect.
Doctors and lawyers need to carry insurance for when they fuck up. If the insurance premiums get to high they must find another line of work.
I'd be honestly curious to know if a Dr ever left his line of work after his insurance premiums got "too high", vs the price of your healthcare just went rocketing through the roof.
Florida had a huge reduction in obgyn because of all the frivolous lawsuits.
I'm told that the average doc pays more in malpractice insurance than student loans. That's the ones who haven't gotten sued yet.
Apply the same thing to cops and many problems will change overnight.
They will not, various states and unions already indemnify their public officials from lawsuit. This has been pointed out and discussed so many times I've lost track. It's likely that in the absence of QI doctrine, no police officer would ever see the inside of a courtroom on a civil lawsuit.
Public sector unions must be abolished.
Aye.
The unions, ultimately, are a far bigger barrier to accountability than anything that QI protects them from. You want to see things change "overnight", eliminate public sector unions. They are undemocratic and build unaccountability into the system.
I forgot to say eliminate QI and replace it with officer-paid insurance. Miscommunication on my part.
If they had to carry insurance and knew they wouldn’t be indemnified by the taxpayers, they’d have an incentive to actually serve and protect.
Q: Why doesn't this happen now?
A: Unions.
This seems like an exercise in avoiding the point.
And there are districts where they do carry insurance, paid for by the municipality. It's essentially a 'benefit' like healthcare.
And it's currently a very inexpensive benefit, because QI means that such lawsuits almost never proceed. Eliminate QI for cops and departments would be far less willing to pay for insurance.
I wasn’t clear in my original post. My solution is to eliminate QI and replace it with officer-paid insurance. No more indemnifying. No more taxpayers paying for their fuckups. Make them buy their own insurance to pay for settlements in civil court. Cops who continue to lose in court won’t be able to afford the insurance, and will be forced to become productive members of society.
Right. And it was Jimmy Carter that signed legislation that prohibited public sector unions from striking.
It was a Republican’s idea, therefore Carter gets no credit.
If the law was introduced and passed by Republicans, especially if it was a veto-proof vote, then no Jimmy "Peanuts" Carter doesn't get any credit.
Yes this standard should apply to all presidents.
That is a myth which, according to the data simply isn't true.
The above, in fact, answers a question that I had posed many times in QI threads: If QI is such an insurmountable barrier, why are so many lawyers even bothering to sue?
Now I know.
In case you missed it, in my very first sentence I agreed that public unions need to go.
I'm trying to add to your point. And I'm apologize that I didn't say that officer-paid insurance should replace QI. I rewrote the comment too many times and that dropped out.
I’m trying to add to your point.
Like ketchup to Bolognese. Ideas are better without your juvenile additions.
The only thing juvenile I see is you dismissing what I say because you hold me in contempt, not because you gave it a whit of thought.
not because you gave it a whit of thought.
You're incapable of recognizing thought which is why you ascribe differences to personal feelings.
The truth is that police dysfunction results from complicated interplay of many factors. Therefore effective reform requires we address many points in the system. But you believe, or pretend to believe, the problem is that we hire people who want to be bullies. Reform based on this understanding would be effective psych evals to weed these people out.
But we already do this, which shows your analysis is too superficial to guide effective reform. The truth is that very few people join the police to be bullies, this is just your juvenile instinct un-tempered by experience or reason.
One problem precluding proper management is that many urban police departments are under consent decrees from the Justice Dept. requiring them to maintain a quota of minority officers. If they fire Black officers, they can't replace them with better qualified white officers, and highly qualified Black candidates are in short supply.
President Biden is currently indulging in a rare exception to his progressive politics to be "tough on crime" in opposition to many in his party.
The single most traumatic political failure for mainstream Democrats in the past years was the "defund the police" stuff in 2020. No doubt they have current polling on the matter of crime too.
The problem isn't unions, it's politics. America's racially coded crime panic tendency has informed local, state, and federal policing policy for my entire life and much longer.
We can't get people to stop worrying about being mugged long enough for them to notice that we have more prisoners than any country on earth. What a shithole this must be, huh? No matter how many people we lock up, we're still a crime-ridden hellscape.
All we need is a political coalition of cop haters. Libertarians and progressives are going to have to sit at the same table. And what a fun dinner party that would be.
You know nothing. Biden has been a law-and-order dude his entire career. He is not making any "exception".
No matter how many people we lock up, we’re still a crime-ridden hellscape.
The debased urban Black neighborhoods that produce most of the violent criminals ARE crime-ridden hellscapes. The first step in solving that is to stop subsidizing the reproduction of unmarried indigent women.
The first step in solving that is to stop subsidizing the reproduction of unmarried indigent women.
Probably true but results won't show for at least 15 years.
There's no quick fixes at this point.
Right. And we can’t even have a conversation about it.
I read (haven’t confirmed it) that over 50% of all murders were committed by black males 18-35. But you can’t acknowledge that without pissing progressives off.
So Scott Adams was on the right track but he should have said “Young Black males are a hate group” if in fact us old white guys are as claimed.
ETA FBI stats
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-2.xls
Maybe let them get abortions if they want them..
Biden has been a law-and-order dude his entire career
Biden has been an empty vessel his entire career. That's what makes him such a great president. I've had it up to here with people with principles. People might as well not bother. What are the odds that you found the correct ones, given all the options?
debased urban Black neighborhoods
I like the idea that liberalized abortion rights are what led to the mysterious huge drop in crime post-1990s. Abortion access would be one important component of an antipoverty campaign for urban blacks.
See, we're agreeing already. We don't need to explain what we think causes black poverty. That's a distraction. A moral gotcha. What matters is that we make sure abortion is available and convenient.
Biden has been an empty vessel his entire career.
To his credit he pushed back on progressive pipe dreams like Medicare for All and the Green New Deal of AOC.
Then he was successful with other stuff progressives wanted in the Recovery Act, infrastructure, and IRA.
What matters is that we make sure abortion is available and convenient.
Yes, and also easy and inexpensive adoption, and bring back foundling homes and orphanages to care for illegitimate children.
The GOP outrage machine is in full panic mode.
1- Fentanyl
2- Black/Urban Crime
3- Tranny Dancing
Now that they have the House expect Hunter Bidens Laptop to diminish in importance in their list of fake scandals. They don't have anything except some dirty pics.
But we will get a shitload of Culture War screaming for two years.
Their policies are unpopular, their voters are aging, and they generally can't justify their own existence. It's not that they've chosen to be especially obnoxious, it's that the only well that hasn't gone dry for them are the white evangelicals, who love that shit. And bless their hearts, they just discovered drag shows.
While not an ideal situation for them, the benefits are that they don't have to have any real ideas that halfway educated people could parse, and the evangelicals come ready-made with the certainty that they should rule the world before Jesus destroys it for them.
I agree. Conservatism is lost and vacuous. They have been reduced to culture warriors and Aborto-Freak Fundie Nuts.
IF -- I repeat IF the GOP did a transformation and became libertarian in philosophy and dropped the Fundies they would become palatable to millions of us.
But that will never happen.
You know it. I know it. And even the Trump fans here know it.
Yes, everyone here knows you're a single-issue abortion fanatic. Almost everything you write only makes sense when viewed through that lens. Your embarrassing schoolboy crush on ENB is the most obvious example. But constantly going to bat for Joe Biden is what really seals it.
Biden is a punchline - lackluster student, plagiarist, obviously in cognitive decline, voted for the Iraq War, longtime drug warrior, creepy around women and young girls. If Biden were anti-abortion you'd criticize him (and this economy) constantly. But because he supports abortion you forgive everything else.
lackluster student, plagiarist, obviously in cognitive decline, voted for the Iraq War, longtime drug warrior, creepy around women and young girls.
Can't argue with any of your description.
Now quit deflecting and tell me what good is the GOP?
(other than as an opposition mechanism for my Gridlock Party)
I was here back in 2008 when the Reason staff mostly supported Obama over McCain. The reason most cited was that the GOP "should be punished for Bush/Cheney". Nothing has changed since.
It's time to completely give up on the GOP and vote for gridlock like I do.
"Now quit deflecting and tell me what good is the GOP?"
Absolutely nothing except for keeping the Democrats out of power, and lately they've been too weak-willed to do even that.
But unfortunately, right now keeping your Democrats out of power is one of the most important things in the world.
More important than preserving democracy itself, no doubt.
Fortunately, the two are highly compatible.
A wasted vote is one that overlooks the law-changing clout of the original libertarian platform. The Jesus Caucus, like the NAMBLA and Tea Party kluxers before them, will decorate the dunghill of history after we reset to the real thing.
Bait-and-switch? Republican used to at least promise to shoot down incoming nuclear weapons and keep electric power plants safe and legal. Then, after the election, shoot them hippies, lynch thim naygurs, enslave those bitches via personhood-forfeiture jurisprudence and stoke up the hunt for godless commies in the State Department. Now they promise to burn more Beatles albums.
Fixing the cops is simple, prohibit government from initiating force.
The cops deny that they initiate force.
"Borders are just imaginary lines!"
https://twitter.com/fasc1nate/status/1632408487895482369?t=GZhRpBSRJFiU_DFxPVcFkQ&s=19
GPS tracking on six wolf packs shows how much they avoid each other's territory.
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Did you piss on the Mexican border to claim it?
https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/1632529908508270598?t=srDGcZqu0XovivIMhyyKMg&s=19
He's afraid the Muslims will kill a child for scuffing a Quran.
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Surely, if we execute all violent criminals and sue companies to oblivion for every corporate malfeasance, there would be drastic reduction in violent crime and fraud, right? Heck, if we jailed people for 20 years for smoking dope, drug abuse would simply disappear.
The problem with crime is lack of deterrence, so if we brand cops are criminals, we can stop the rotten ones from killing people with more regulations and strict penalties. Or just remove liability protection so victims can sue them to oblivion. Wait to think like conservatives...... Reason magazine?
Of course a viable solution is to hire better cops. Reason actually documented past emotional and mental issues of cops who were involved in controversial shooting. Derek Chauvin and a few of the black cops who beat up on Nichols were club bouncers / security guys. Police departments were recruiting some rental cop types, and that may very well increase with recruitment slowly dwindling.
I laugh at "white privilege" 99% of the time, but I'm convinced there's a bit of that in this publication. Did no one here see what happened to the Chicago mayoral race? "Defund the cops" is a suicide pact for POCs, mostly black people in dangerous neighborhoods. We can be outraged by cops beating innocent people AND criminals unpursued by "criminal justice reform" DAs killing assaulting people on the streets.
Seriously, are most cops somehow unaware of penalties and consequences for brutality? Are they retards wearing blue uniforms? If you simply take away liability protection, most of them will simply stop avoid situations in which they can be sued. Just like Corporations! Unintended consequence!
Of course, the cops that killed this kid should be punished with extended jail time. On-the-other-hand, dealing with crazed (usually black) criminals every day would take it's toll on anyone. For those here criticizing the police forces, join up and make a difference by being the cop you want on the streets.
There you go. Submit to the laws looter politicians order their Gestapo to enforce and you won't get beaten to death on the way to the extermination camps. Goebbels himself couldn't have put it any better, or Simon Legree!
I can remember when KMW would have noted the obvious: If most of the laws politicians pay cops to enforce REQUIRE ignorance, brutality and murder to fasten their usurpations on a populace, one should hardly be surprised to see those very things called into existence by ordinary supply and demand--as administered by The Kleptocracy using other people's money in subsidized elections.
Notice the difference ? Could it possibly be that our policing system is outlandishly out of step with the rest of the world ?
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
I wonder if there are any differences in violent crime rates in the countries listed?
Mein Gott this is an excellent example of someone trying to use sciencey data and spreadsheet graphs to look like it's all serious and data-driven while ignoring major differences in other related metrics.
Even if I agree that the US has a policing problem-- which I do-- this graph is damned near meaningless. This is the kind of one-dimensional research that could literally be used by anti immigration forces to show that hey, look what happens when your country gets full of minorities!
Lets also not forget that this may have been a crime of passion. I can't say if its true or not, but the black community in Memphis is wholly convinced that this was payback for dating one of the officers ex-wives or something like that. All of the training in the world won't fix that situation. The only thing that is going to fix that is having the police stop covering for their own and convincing them that its in everyone's best interest to stop acting like the citizens they complain constantly. Something goes wrong and suddenly every officer was in the bathroom or got sudden amnesia...or makes a story to make his fellow officers sound more credible. Start suspending officers without pay for repeat violations of policy and fire them if it continues. Then maybe when an officer with a beef tries something criminal, the others will step in, stop it, and then report him/her. Until that happens its all just a crap shoot of good officers versus bad.
Not a day goes by without one of these lefties spewing anti-white racism:
'White saviors are the worst': Minnesota lawmaker tells 'white Christians' to 'stop adopting Native American babies' because changing their names and identities is 'genocide'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11827165/Minnesota-lawmaker-tells-white-Christians-stop-adopting-Native-American-babies.html
It's OK to be white. It's a blessing to unwanted babies to be adopted by parents who will love them and care for them.
Are you sure they are unwanted ? A lot have been taken away from their parents forcibly for not meeting Government standards of family.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Native-American/The-outplacement-and-adoption-of-indigenous-children
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"can't find good causal studies on the impact of total hours of police training on police brutality"
Well, why don't we compare the number of victims of police brutally here and abroad? It's an established fact that in Europe the police training lasts 5 to 8 times longer and that might explain the reduced number of death.
Not only the duration of training but also its content needs to be taken in consideration though. Remember the case when the UK police apprehended a terrorist without using guns? How often do we hear about police there killing unarmed people? That's the result of more comprehensive training that is focusing on many de-escalation techniques and human psychology. Most of the training in the US is about using force.
Making fun of the professional training of hairdressers in connection to the police training is unprofessional.
No, it doesn't. What explains the smaller number of cases of police violence is that Europeans comply with police. That's drilled into them from childhood on. Even insulting a police officer or giving them the finger is illegal and results in prosecution.
Furthermore, they know that there is no way to get away from police because their lives are so closely monitored. Everybody's addresses are registered with the government. Authorities don't have to arrest you or stop you to ticket you; fines can simply be taken out of your bank account; in many countries, fines are based on your income and are designed to seriously hurt you.
European nations are police states with a surveillance mentality and an indoctrinated citizenry: that's what produces lower police violence rates.
The actual number of questionable police actions is minuscule. Perhaps 1/10th of complaints (and there aren't even that many of them) have any basis; perhaps 1/10th of those involve any actual wrongdoing by the police officers; and perhaps 1/10th of those are NOT properly handled by the reviewing officials.
The bottom line? Democrats simply don't want to be held accountable for their criminal behavior.
Neither do police. What a coincidence, maybe police are secretly democrats.
Get back to me when QI is repealed and public sector unions have been banned.
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Or it just gets burned by a cook who lacks sarcasm yet claims to be sarcastic.
I agree. The liberal left is not going to change, though.
The best that most of us can do is separate from them and hope that things don't end in violence.
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He wants to be the comment's boss so very badly.
Instead he’s the bitch.
They must be on Dark YouTube.
They will, even if you try to avoid it.
Especially if you submit.
The left is not "liberal." They are, in fact, the antithesis of Liberal.
Thats how you know someone really didn't understand how stupid their post would be when they were composing it.
Unfortunately, it's not just sarc who's irrationally obsessed with this particular topic
Reminds one of jfree if we're being honest
Not true!
Wolves are territorial and lobsters are hierarchical. Thus, we, great apes, must be the same.
Maybe you conservative types shouldn't have shunned science for so long.
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