DeSantis' Disney Drama Turns Culture War Into Political Gains
In the old days, conservatives would have viewed unelected officials being appointed to oversee corporate decisions as a worrying intrusion of state power into private affairs. DeSantis has figured out how to get them to cheer for it.

At the campaign-style event on Monday where Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a new law revising Disney's quasi-governmental status, one of the more telling details was the assortment of individuals who served as his opening acts.
John Shirey, president of Reedy Creek Professional Firefighters, which provides emergency fire service to the Walt Disney World Resort, praised the governor's takeover as a move ensuring that public safety is a top priority in the district. Next, a self-described "parent who no longer trusts Disney" blasted the company for teaching children to "be comfortable with or participate with immorality." (Her family has canceled their annual park passes and discontinued using Disney's streaming service.) Finally, a former Disney employee who claimed to have lost his job due to the company's vaccine mandate praised the governor for his "courage and good sense" to stand up to the company.
If you've been following the DeSantis-versus-Disney drama during the past year, you might notice that these complaints don't have much to do with why this fight started. Initially, DeSantis was punishing Disney for criticizing Florida's "Don't Say Gay" bill, which limits the discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity in public schools. Rather than merely using state power to punish Disney and its former CEO for exercising their free speech rights, DeSantis has recast his actions as an effort to stem the tide of immorality in pop culture.
And by doing so, he's using the culture war for his own personal and political gain.
Take another look at those three introductory speakers on Monday and you can see an update on Ronald Reagan's famous "three-legged stool" of conservatism. In the 1980s, it was a fusion of Christian traditionalists, Cold War hawks, and fiscal conservatives. Those broad factions don't meaningfully exist in contemporary politics, but DeSantis is probably correct that the GOP's national coalition is best triangulated around public safety, conservative parents wary of cultural liberalism, and COVID reactionaries, with the last category ranging from people rightfully angered by how government and corporate elites handled the pandemic to anti-vax conspiracy theorists.
The new legs of the conservative stool are all sympathetic to DeSantis' willingness to dispense with political checks and balances in order to slay a "woke" economic Goliath. DeSantis made that point more explicit in an op-ed published Wednesday in The Wall Street Journal: "When corporations try to use their economic power to advance a woke agenda, they become political, and not merely economic, actors," he wrote. "In such an environment, reflexively deferring to big business effectively surrenders the political battlefield to the militant left. Having private companies wield de facto public power isn't in the best interests of most Americans."
If Monday's press conference was a helpful illustration of the DeSantis political coalition—public safety plus parents plus lingering COVID anger—then another aspect of the new Disney law is a tidy summary of who stands to benefit from DeSantis' riding the conservative populist tide.
First, we have to back up a little. The bill that DeSantis signed on Monday is in many ways more limited than the hasty and ill-conceived effort passed last year that would have eliminated the Reedy Creek Improvement District (RDIC). Under the new rules, Disney will keep its special tax status, will continue funding its own government services, and will be able to make development plans without needing approval from local governments. That addresses some of the unresolved issues in the earlier bill, which would have put taxpayers on the hook for some of Disney's corporate debt.
The main change in the new law is that the five-member board charged with overseeing the RDIC—functioning effectively as the region's quasi-government—will now be appointed by the governor of Florida rather than handpicked by Disney's executives.
DeSantis argues that this is a pro-transparency change that will ensure Disney cannot do whatever it pleases without some semblance of state oversight. It could also be, as DeSantis critics like Jonathan Chait have argued, a move that will allow DeSantis to exert direct pressure over Disney's content in the future. The board members won't be able to write or reject plot arcs in future Disney films, of course, but an unhappy board could cause problems for the company's development plans in and around its Florida theme parks.
It remains to be seen how all this will play out—though it might be telling that one of DeSantis' nominees (subject to confirmation by the state Senate) is Ron Peri, chairman and CEO of The Gathering USA, a Christian nationalist group. Another nominee is Bridget Ziegler, a Sarasota school board member and founder of the conservative group Moms for Liberty. Ziegler is married to the chairman of the Florida Republican Party, and she played an advisory role in DeSantis's crafting of the so-called "Don't Say Gay" bill that kicked off the feud with Disney.
A crucial part of politics has always been controlling patronage jobs within public or semi-public institutions. You want to have your guys running the Commerce Department or handling contracts for the transit system. The difference is that DeSantis is forcing that same dynamic into space that used to be wholly private—and doing it unabashedly.
"I think all of these board members very much would like to see the type of entertainment that all families can appreciate," DeSantis said Monday.
But why should Ziegler or Peri get to exercise control (even if only in a small way) over Disney's private decisions? Simply declaring that private companies cease being private when they express political opinions should be an unsatisfying answer, even for conservatives cheering DeSantis. Indeed, that would imply that a Democratic governor should have the authority to place his or her own appointees to oversee Peri's ministry group.
This is a nonsensical principle to use for governing, but DeSantis seems to have harnessed the political formula effectively—at least in Florida, where a Republican-dominated legislature is compliantly passing these ideas into law.
The most successful Republican populist politicians have struggled to move beyond the outrage cycle into substantive policy. That's one reason why there are so many trolls and so few serious ideas within the so-called New Right. DeSantis's fight with Disney separates him from keyboard warriors looking to make a buck. DeSantis is signing the New Right's most authoritarian ideas into law, erasing the distinctions between the private and political realms, and rewarding supporters of his power grab with more extraordinary political powers of their own.
In the old days, conservatives would have viewed unelected officials being appointed to oversee corporate decisions as a worrying intrusion of state power into private affairs. DeSantis has figured out how to get them to cheer for it.
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This is just like when horrible evil conservative politicians held up unelected officials and private citizens when railing against Hobby Lobby and Chick-Fil-A.
Oh, wait...
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Ik,r? OMG, a politician "using the culture war for his own personal and political gain."! How unconscionably heinous! I could not design a more accurate parody article of how Reason staff are hopelessly woke than Boehm's turgid screeching.
Damned conservatives!
https://twitter.com/JohnDSailer/status/1631055936709185538?t=V9N96kAMgFKssMUvsWvt3g&s=19
NEW: The NIH is spending nearly a quarter of a billion dollars to promote the use of diversity statements in faculty hiring.
Through public records requests, I’ve acquired the DEI statement rubrics used for two NIH-funded faculty hiring programs.
In 2020, the NIH created a program designed to give 12 institutions $241 million for DEI-focused faculty hiring.
To be hired through the program, candidates must submit a diversity statement and demonstrate “a strong commitment to promoting diversity and inclusive excellence.”
Through records requests, I have acquired the rubrics for evaluating diversity statements used by the NIH-funded programs at the University of South Carolina and the University of New Mexico.
The rubrics are nearly identical. Here’s the beginning of South Carolina’s.
The rubrics punish candidates who espouse race neutrality.
They dictate a low score for anyone who states an “intention to ignore the varying backgrounds of their students and ‘treat everyone the same.’”
Applicants can’t merely focus on viewpoint diversity. This too runs afoul of the rubrics.
They mandate a low score for any candidate who defines diversity “only in terms of different areas of study or different nationalities but doesn’t mention gender or ethnicity/race.”
The NIH’s push is having an effect even on institutions that haven’t won this grant money.
The UMASS Chan Medical School is engaged in DEI-focused hiring initiatives, explicitly following the NIH’s example. I have also acquired its rubric. Note the similarities.
At best, these federally-funded diversity statement requirements prompt institutions to prioritize trivialities when hiring scholars and scientists. At worst, they threaten academic freedom.
That, after all, is why the @nasorg, @TheFIREorg, and @AFA_Alliance have called for an end to the practice of required diversity statements.
But as long as they carry the imprimatur of the federal government, many institutions will continue to embrace them.
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Looks like the NIH helped spread a social disease.
Few things are as pathetic as people who pretend to think pols are sociopathic fools - until they position themselves to run for Prez - and then those pols become quite wonderful
DeSantis is not a dictator like Biden. The Florida legislature passed this bill leveling the playing field for Disney and it's competitors like Bush Gardens, Sea World and Universal Studios. DeSantis signed it. It was the "will of the people of Florida". You know, a representative government. This is a good thing for consumers. Of course Reason likes buddy style politics and giving preferred businesses a big break over their competitors.
If he's so interested in "leveling the playing field", why didn't he insist on doing the same thing to the other 1843 special tax districts in Florida?
Unless it was actually governmental retribution for speaking against a terrible law.
You’d have to ask the legislature, since they’re the ones who ostensibly drafted and passed the legislation.
As for the law that they spoke against, I fail to see how it is terrible, at least based on the coverage I’ve read.
When a law is passed that uses the power of government to punish a person, company, or organization for opposing a policy or law, is by definition a terrible law.
The scariest part is that DeSantis isn't even trying to pretend this isn't retaliation, yet there is widespread support for it amkng cultural conservatives.
I always assumed that opposition to retaliatory government force being wielded against the private sector would be universal among conservatives. Hell, among Americans. I oppose cultural conservatism, but would be horrified if this were to happen to a company that, for example, publicly opposed a law allowing abortions to be performed until live birth.
I literally can't wrap my brain around the level of support cultural conservatives are giving to DeSantis' use of the government for retaliation.
I'm sorry this is happening to you Eric. But at least you can reluctantly, loose term, vote for Biden again.
I see the word Christian allot here. Generally in a negative way. I'm a Christian. This country was founded on, mostly Christian principles. Good and bad included. It's who we are as a nation. Again, for better or worse. I think we're headed for a revival, soon. Seeing allot of signs. Interesting times. I think the next 10-12 years are gonna be a hoot
Boehm and the rest of the Reason crew are urbane bigots when it comes to the religious beliefs of the American proles.
"I see the word Christian allot here. Generally in a negative way."
There are a number of reasons why the word Christian mught be viewed negatively. Mostly connected to the times that Christians try to coerce the rest of us to live like conservative Christians.
"This country was founded on, mostly Christian principles."
No, this country was founded on Enlightenment principles, including the importance of the separation of Church and State (some guy named Locke). The Constitution was specifically and intentionally designed to keep religion out of government.
"It’s who we are as a nation."
No, it's what some people keep trying to make us be as a nation. We are a nation of Christians, not a Christian nation. By design.
"Again, for better or worse. I think we’re headed for a revival, soon."
Probably not. There has been a downward trend in religion since the 60s. There doesn't seem to be anything that would change the trajectory, even a billion-dollar ad campaign for Jesus. Plus those are for the "woke" Jesus who likes poor people, immigrants, diversity, tolerance, and love, so it wouldn't help the Christian Nationalists at all.
The church/state thing was limited to the federal government. Some states had state churches lasting into the 1800s.
https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/801/established-churches-in-early-america
The ideal has been around since the 17th century. The fact that the ideal that the Constitution was founded on was ignored by various states doesn't mean that it's justified.
We don't have theocracies in America because they are inherently discriminatory. You can trust a government run by religion far, far less than a secular government. And you should be highly skeptical of the latter.
That's OK, did you see the one where the Florida Legislature introduced a bill to disband any political party in the state that ever supported slavery or involuntary servitude?
They actually made the Democrats object.
Of course they did, what else would be the point of proposing such a bill?
Pretty good real-life trolling, though.
I might quibble though and say that both parties have supported involuntary servitude in the form of military draft at one time or another.
Of course you would.
Yeah, that was pretty funny. Even better was the Democrats taking the bait, not having the common sense to just ignore it. I bet Barbara Streisand is a Democrat.
That's actually pretty hilarious considering the Republican party was explicitly founded to end slavery.
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okay...that's pretty hilarious. Childish...but gotta tip my hat the genius of it.
Don't encourage the retard. You'll definitely regret it in the long run.
Wasn't responding to sqrsly or whatever his name is. I just scroll past his incoherent rants. Was just saying the bill to disband political parties that supported slavery is hilarious and genius (even if its childish). It makes me see how trolling (in rare instances) truly is a form of art.
This one?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-republican-proposes-bill-eliminating-states-democratic-party
The so-called "Ultimate Cancel Act" would direct the Florida Division of Elections to "immediately cancel the filings of a political party, to include its registration and approved status as a political party, if the party’s platform has previously advocated for, or been in support of, slavery or involuntary servitude."
Should've been done to them in 1865.
Reddit was all up in arms over this but framed it as “Republican law makers in Florida propose bill to outlaw Democrats.” I’m not surprised that the retards didn’t actually read the bill.
Most hilarious thing? White people twitter (that’s the one where black people make fun of stupid white people) was fucking livid.
To be fair… the childless cucks that form the base of democrats and leftists do need access to indoctrination of your kids to continue the movement. By outlawing indoctrination he is hampering future democrats.
If you've been following the DeSantis-versus-Disney drama during the past year, you might notice that these complaints don't have much to do with why this fight started.
If you were the least bit libertarian, coherently liberal, or even modestly principled and ethical, the fight against vaccine mandates/my body, my choice would be self-standing or entirely independent of, if not bolstering, the previous fight.
I have mixed feelings about much of the culture war stuff, though I quite understand why people like it. But I like DeSantis for one reason and that is his relatively sensible actions when it came to covid policies. I really think that is the most important thing: reward those who did the right thing around covid and punish those who took it as an opportunity to try out whatever authoritarian bullshit they could think of. That's the most important issue of the past several years and it needs to be addressed and not just forgotten about.
I don't have mixed feelings about the culture war stuff , but I have decidedly mixed feelings about legislating it. However, my general eye-roll towards this whole kerfuffle is this:
If Disney doesn't like the business climate in Florida, they can start a theme park in North Dakota, or perhaps the state with the Most Libertarian Governor Ever, somewhere outside of Denver.
Damn culture war...
https://twitter.com/RobProvince/status/1631089752068747264?t=MDe3UcQDQJQuCGcJOGr4LQ&s=19
For those of you not from St. Louis there is a story that’s being ignored by the national news for… reasons.
This is Janae Edmonson… she’s 17 and until last week she was on her way to play volleyball in college.
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You see… George Soros targeted St. Louis with millions of dollars to elect Kim Gardner. A highly racist, highly extremist, highly incompetent prosecutor who has spent her tenure prosecuting homeowners for the act of self defense & suing police.
Kim Gardner fought very hard for Daniel Riley. A 21 year old felon with 94 bond violations since September 2020. Riley was out on bond for FELONY robbery & violated the conditions of his release dozens of times.
But Kim fought hard to keep Riley out of jail.
Last week Riley was again violating his bond driving illegally and speeding near a high school volleyball tournament. He ran through an intersection and crashed into another car…
And thanks to Kim Gardner a 17 year old girl from Tennessee with her whole life ahead of her has no legs and has a very slim chance of surviving.
She won’t be playing volleyball in college.
It don’t worry… Kim Gardner knows who the real victim in all this is.
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"that is his relatively sensible actions when it came to covid policies"
Which means he will be better than most the next time we have a novel pandemic. Which could happen sometime in the next 40-50 years.
Do you like the way he deals with things that he will encounter over the next 6 years? Using the power of government to punish companies that speak out against his policies, for example?
There. FIFY.
This vacuous screed failed to tell us just what powers this board has that impact the Mouse.
Fewer fact-free articles, please, KMW!
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Ohhh good job bohem working in the latest far left buzz word of Christian nationalist. Your Marxist handlers must be so happy with your work.
You haven’t been right ever why should a single person listen to you?
To be fair, even James Lindsay has been skewering “Christian nationalists”, lately. Mostly for falling right into an obvious linguistic and rhetorical trap set by said Marxists.
No. Please keep up. This started when Disney took up CRT, gender fluidentity, transgender mutilation surgery, and the full woke panoply of lies and pedophilia. When DeSantis reacted by banning that woke crap, Disney butted into it.
Reason denied government was butting into Twitter, Facebook, Google, and all the others, until Elon Musk bought them and released the proof Reason had been denying for years. But when Florida did the reverse, getting government schools out of child-parent relations, Reason went bananas, claiming it was government intrusion.
Get rid of KMW. Get out of DC. Then spend a few years rebuilding your used-to-be libertarian reputation.
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"Get rid of KMW. "
More than that. They have far too many 'editors' that are too into their pet issue to think rationally, much less in a more objective libertarian fashion. See ENB on abortion or Shackford on groomer shit. They are so biased, they cant see that they are the absolute worst people to write about their pet issues.
Well since cultural conservative support for abortion bans is objectively anti-libertarian and the "teachers are groomers but the Catholic Church, the Boy Scouts, the Southern Baptists, etc. aren't" belief is objectively untrue, you may want to look in the mirror to find someone "that [is] too into their pet issue[s] to think rationally".
Molestation is and has been more prevalent in schools than in the bogeymen of your mind. And when Catholics, Southern Baptists, etc try and convince young kids that they are the wrong sex and cause them decades of mental problems, we can talk.
But they convince them that they are sinners and should repent!!!!
Not true. Not even a little bit true.
1) There are 37,000 priests in the US and there are over 3 million teachers. So saying that there are more sexual predators who are teachers than sexual predators who are priests is the same as saying, "Math is a real thing".
2) Generally, these statements are all true. The ones about the Catholic Church can be found in the thousands of lawsuits brought against them since their international pedophile ring was exposed:
A) Teachers, when they discover a pedophile in their midst, turn them in to authorities.
B) Priests, when they discover a pedophile in their midst, report it to their hierarchy who then actively protect the pedophile, pay off victims to prevent testimony and hush up the crime, and move the pedophile out of the jurisdiction, state, or even the country to avoid prosecution. While the Vatican maintains records of pedophile priests, they do not prevent the pedophile from interacting with children and, if the crime never became public, keep the new parish in the dark as to the pedophile's predation.
They also fight compensating the victims and often can use the billions collected from faithful Catholics around the globe to make it financially impossible for poor victims to get justice. But that's what the tithes are for, right? Protecting pedophiles and avoiding accountability?
C) The Boy Scouts discouraged victims from going to police and maintained a national list of pedophile Scoutmasters. While they didn't actively defend and protect pedophiles like the Church, they did not report pedophile Scoutmasters to authorities, nor did they warn any other child-centric organizations if the pedophile Scoutmaster expanded their victim pool by working with kids at a different organization.
D) The Southern Baptists (as well as the Mormons, the Jehova's Witnesses, and the Anglicans, among many others) weren't quite as bad as the Catholics because they didn't actively move sexual predators around to escape prosecution, but like the Boy Scouts and the Catholics they maintained lists of credible accusations of predation, covered up crimes, paid hush money to victims, and didn't prevent predators from accessing children.
E) As morally bankrupt as conservative organizations (especially conservative religious organizations) are about protecting children and stopping pedophiles, none of the above groups are grooming children for sexual exploitation. Not the Catholic Church, not the Scouts, not the Baptists, and certainly not teachers.
Individual pedophiles will be part of organizations that provide access to children, but there is no organized grooming going on. That is a fantasy and intentional demonization to achieve a political goal (also known as propaganda).
3) "try and convince young kids that they are the wrong sex and cause them decades of mental problems"
This isn't a thing. It isn't what teachers do in school. It isn't a national agenda. It isn't happening on anything above an individual level.
There is no national, organized effort to turn your kids gay or trans. Even the most delusional anti-gay organizations gave up on that narrative in the 90s.
3) among many factual errors with this one, regarding queer theory and how it’s being disseminated through pedagogical universities, school “diversity officers” use the weight of their new authority to propagate this social contagion. I can say for a fact that students who take issue with students of another sex in their school bathrooms are an example they give to teachers of discrimination. Which means they’re implicitly allowing and encouraging middle schoolers into body dysmorphia. With little to zero input or vetting with parents.
I have a collection of hand outs from my wife’s school about it.
Each year there is more and more of an emphasis on the entire identity Marxist DEI package. Just like workplaces and institutions everywhere.
This thing happens in colleges, so therefore ... , tangential connection to unidentified school administrators and their agenda (as ascribed to them by you), new, unrelated assertion of their "newfound authority" (what?), ominous reference to national conspiracy amongst said administrators, unsupported psychological cause/effect claim, and BAM!
See? Solid evidence ... or maybe just evidence ... or more like a belief ... maybe more of a potential ... well, if you look at it the right way ... no, it really is happening!
Your bizarre "proof" is so thin you could read a book through it. In the moonlight. During a quarter moon. It certainly isn't evidence that a reasonable person would view as a valid argument that teachers are trying to convince kids that they are in the wrong body.
And ending with the weird packaging of unrelated items like a widespread social/cultural practice, an economic theory, and an employment/recruitment process is the insane cherry on top of your delusion sundae.
I think that the 'pet issues' may actually be 'beats'. Which might be assigned.
"This started when Disney took up CRT, gender fluidentity, transgender mutilation surgery, and the full woke panoply of lies and pedophilia."
That's news to anyone with a functioning brain. Disney hasn't supported any of those things.
"But when Florida did the reverse, getting government schools out of child-parent relations"
No one was interfering with "child-parent relations". Although I imagine DeSantis will jump on the transgender culture war bandwagon by signing a bill that specifically and intentionally interferes with the child-parent relations vis-a-vis medical care. The only question is when it would be most advantageous for his Presidential ambitions to do it.
"Then spend a few years rebuilding your used-to-be libertarian reputation."
Adopting culturally conservative/fiscally conservative positions won't "rebuild" their libertarian reputation. It will destroy it because contemporary cultural conservatism, as voiced by the paleocons here, is inherently anti-libertarian.
"That’s news to anyone with a functioning brain. Disney hasn’t supported any of those things."
The people WHO MAKE THEIR CONTENT have BRAGGED about specifically that. Do try and keep up. Disney keeps paying them and using their skills, so Disney, thus, is supporting their actions. Disney could stop any of it at any time they so wish.
"No one was interfering with “child-parent relations”."
Do you have a PHOBIA to the truth?
"Although I imagine DeSantis will jump on the transgender culture war bandwagon by signing a bill that specifically and intentionally interferes with the child-parent relations vis-a-vis medical care."
Again, some parents think it is OK to fuck their young children. I oppose that and if that makes me anti-libertarian to defend somebody defenseless, c'est la vie. The movement will always be a laughingstock if "Go ahead and diddle kids. They're yours!" is a hill they are willing to die on.
"The people WHO MAKE THEIR CONTENT have BRAGGED about specifically that."
You are mistaking random Disney employees with The Walt Disney Company. Disney, the company (and most likely the vast majority of their employees), has never supported "CRT, gender fluidentity, transgender mutilation surgery, and the full woke panoply of lies and pedophilia.". It's lunacy to claim otherwise.
"Disney keeps paying them and using their skills, so Disney, thus, is supporting their actions."
You'll have to explain how some people bragging about their beliefs (it's doubtful any such thing happened outside of your paranoid brain, but let's play pretend) requires Disney to decide that believing stuff is a fireable offense. There is a huge logical disconnect in your beliefs system.
"Do you have a PHOBIA to the truth?"
You'll have to explain how talking about the existence of gay and trans people interferes with parent-child relations. By your logic, anything taught in schools that doesn't conform exactly to each parent's personal beliefs will interfere with parent-child relations.
"Again, some parents think it is OK to fuck their young children."
True, but that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
"I oppose that and if that makes me anti-libertarian to defend somebody defenseless, c’est la vie."
So does almost every other human on the planet. You aren't fighting the good fight, you're fighting a fight that has almost no one on the other side. And that isn't why you are anti-libertarian.
On one side you have parental decisions, made in consultation with medical professionals, about the care their child should receive. That decision doesn't harm anyone else and is made in a responsible, informed way by the people who know the situation.
On the other you have fanatics who know neither the patient nor the parents and are completely ignorant of the details of the case. They intentionally misrepresent transitioning as a surgical procedure, despite over 99% of pre-adult transitions being only social or medicinal. They lie about the side effects of puberty blockers (it's a pause to puberty, not permanent). They lie about the prevalence of regret and detransitioning, which is negligible (which also implies if regret for a medical procedure isn't 0% it shouldn't be allowed, which is insane). They lie about a huge conspiracy to turn kids gay by a shadowy cabal of teachers and leftists. And they claim to be pro-parent while actively advocating for legislation encouraging government monitoring and intervention in child rearing.
Gee, which one is libertarian and which is anti-liberty? Hint: your side is anti-liberty and anti-parent.
"The movement will always be a laughingstock if “Go ahead and diddle kids. They’re yours!” is a hill they are willing to die on."
No one is arguing for incest and pedophilia. You are a deeply disturbed person.
Disney, owner of ABC & ESPN among others, literally takes orders from the feds/Party to spread propaganda.
See covid for just one example.
"Get rid of KMW. Get out of DC. Then spend a few years rebuilding your used-to-be libertarian reputation."
Why would they do that?
Reason isn't ignorant, it's agitprop.
i'm confused. It's unwarranted government interference to STOP granting special rent-seeking anti-competitive advantages to Disney? Do I have that right?
Yes. It was unwarranted government intrusion to stop warranted government school intrusion into parent-child relations.
Just as it was warranted government intrusion to collude with Twitter, until Twitter got a non-woke owner who showed the proof of government intrusion into Twitter.
Favored constituents are libertarian now.
"It’s unwarranted government interference to STOP granting special rent-seeking anti-competitive advantages? Do I have that right?"
No, you have it wrong. When the government targets only one of the 1844 special tax districts in Florida, it isn't a policy aimed at eliminating "special rent-seeking anti-competitive advantages". It is political retribution for free speech that is critical of the government.
Eliminating "special rent-seeking anti-competitive advantages" would have resulted in a law that impacted an additional 1843 special tax districts. It's not even a thinly-veiled use of government force to punish dissent.
If you can't see it, you are actively trying not to. And it's so obvious even that won't work.
And by doing so, he's using the culture war for his own personal and political gain.
Good lord, this is embarrassing.
and when does personal and political gain get interpreted as the will of the people?...
seems ok to me
"DeSantis was punishing Disney for criticizing Florida's "Don't Say Gay" bill..."
So, just how many times is the phrase "don't say gay" included in that legislation?
6.02X10^23 times. There is whole grove of avacados in that bill.
LOL
made it to now w/o knowing what the avocado signified
I think Fetterman's hump left town with the kids.
-signed, Avogadro.
He might be dead
There’s a mole in here. We been infiltrated
Whatever you think of the law, it does seem like poor form to keep identifying the bill by the name attached to it by its political opposition.
One might even say it’s hack writing.
You mean Boehm's compatriots?
You probably call the Affordable Care Act "Obamacare", you hypocrite.
I would have no problem calling the FL bill “DeSantis Sanity”, or something. “Don’t Say Gay” is a flat-out lie. Democrats best talent.
3. Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age
appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.
Don't say gay is exactly what the law says. Just with fewer words.
You struggle with non picture books dont you.
Statistically it's possible you are smarter than me. It's a very small possibility, but it exists.
"3. Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age
appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.
Don’t say gay is exactly what the law says. Just with fewer words."
Good lord you're bad at this.
They can no more say straight than they can say gay.
And I don't get the burning desire to discuss who you fuck with young children. Seems unbelievably sketchy.
Actually, there is no barrier to saying straight. There is a barrier to saying gay or trans.
And no one is talking about sex. Sex ed for K-3 is completely inappropriate. But mentioning two people who love each other is only allowed if it's mom and dad, not mom and mom or dad and dad. That isn't talking about sex, yet your side will insist it is with no evidence to back it up.
Never mind that talking about trans people isn't sexual at all, unless you think that saying "Eve is a girl who used to be a boy named Steve" somehow insinuates masturbation?
You do realize that people talk about gender all the time to kids younger than kindergarten, right? It isn't sexual at all.
No one is talking about sexual subjects with K-3 kids. They weren't doing it before this law and they aren't doing it now. The law changed nothing about sexual content of K-3 curricula.
But mentioning that gay and trans people exist is now illegal. How very libertarian.
It is not illegal to mention that gay or trans people exist. I don't like the law, but I also don't make up things about the law to argue against it.
And yes, people are talking about sexual subjects with K-3 kids. It's been shown quite often that it occurs. That said, since you think it's not happening because it's wrong, that's really not a basis to argue against a law preventing it from happening because it is wrong.
Really? Then why does the law say you can't discuss them with K-3 students?
Except it literally doesn’t and the part you posted proves that.
"on sexual orientation or gender identity"
This is what is banned. In clear text.
Saying the word gay is not "instruction". "Discussion" WAS in an earlier draft of the bill, which is what the previous article by Scott Shackford linked to instead of the actual text, which I pointed out at the time as well.
Instruction may be a specific subset of discussion, but they are not the same thing.
Nope. Always called it the Affordable Care Act, or ACA. I also called President Obama "President Obama".
Obama is okay with it dummy.
https://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/barack-obama-obamacare-103589
You can stop simping for him.
So, according to you calling the ACA ‘Obamacare’ is an inaccurate, degrading moniker.
Obama embraced the term because, as he put it, "Obama cares". Why do you come here and bad mouth Obama?
Don't say gay is neither inaccurate, nor degrading. It's a very succinct encapsulation of "3. Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age
appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.".
You told this lie already.
And I pointed out that it isn't a lie, it's the text of the law.
"Don’t say gay is neither inaccurate"
Could not really be less accurate.
"It’s a very succinct encapsulation of “3. Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age
appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.”."
Using the exact clause you post here --- can they say "heterosexual" or "straight"?
Why, no, they cannot.,
"Using the exact clause you post here — can they say “heterosexual” or “straight”?"
Yes, they can.
Really? Where’s it say that? Because last i checked, straight/heterosexual were sexual orientations.
And yet they can instruct using books talking about heterosexual parents. Gay parents? Nope. Trans parents? Nope.
If the only model for a family allowed in a classroom is heterosexual, what is being allowed and what is being excluded?
Everybody with a functioning brain knows "Don't Say Gay" is shorthand for the actual text of the law.
"3. Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."
Wow, "Don't Say Gay" is spot-on.
3rd time was not the charm.
He hopes repetition will make it seem more accurate.
You and your fellow travellers make unfounded claims about grooming and sexual content in K-3 classrooms. You seem pretty impervious to reality, but repitition is a good method of teaching those with lower intelligence, so I figured I'd give it a try.
It's saddening to see continual ignorance in grown adults like you and Damikesc. I'm hoping to help you learn and grow.
though it might be telling that one of DeSantis' nominees (subject to confirmation by the state Senate) is Ron Peri, chairman and CEO of The Gathering USA, a Christian nationalist group
What a completely unfounded cheap shot. I never heard of this guy or this group and a I assumed this was bullshit.
Turns out it is. There is literally not one shred of content anywhere on the internet by Ron Peri or even ABOUT Ron Peri that indicates he is a "Christian Nationalist".
I think that the journalist class just considers all christians and christian nationalists to be the same thing. That's the only explanation for this sad attempt at slander.
its seriously getting to the point where I cant tell the difference between Reason and WAPO.
Reason has been hollowed out by ideological enemies who are now wearing it like a skin suit to destroy libertarianism. I'm convinced of this.
I'm not there yet. There are still glimmers of individualism, accountability, and core distrust of government. But there's less and less every day.
Then ENB said she hated the commentariat (https://twitter.com/ENBrown/status/1601256561086988289) and they stopped posting the faux-listener comment, and I honestly don't know what the owners get out of the site any more.
TBF, they probably stopped posting the question to force people to listen to the podcast to find out what the question was before they come in and savage it. Gotta get those clicks.
They don't publish it for the benefit of the commentariat or the readers. They publish it for the benefit of the big donors, who like it fine. Kind of like the Republican Party operates.
“I’m not there yet. There are still glimmers of individualism, accountability, and core distrust of government.”
So they’re still tricking you.
"I honestly don’t know what the owners get out of the site any more."
They're influencing libertarians to aid or accept totalitarian progressivism.
"core distrust of government"
You forgot the asterisk that says "Except for Ron DeSantis' Florida"
And on top of that I wonder what this Peri guy's sin is, being Christian or being a nationalist, if indeed, he is any combination of the two.
Guessing just all Christians and conservatives are now nationalists. Seems to be a big topic for leftist rags.
Like NY mag.
Ron Peri, who heads the Christian ministry the Gathering USA;
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/03/desantis-promises-florida-will-control-disney-content.html
Just a normal Christian group.
https://gatheringpb.com/about-us/the-gathering-usa/
Let's see what the liberals at wiki define it as.
Christian nationalism is Christianity-affiliated religious nationalism.[1] Christian nationalists primarily focus on internal politics, such as passing laws that reflect their view of Christianity and its role in political and social life.
So... pushing laws they want like every other political entity in existence.
There certainly are people who claim that the US is a Christian nation or was founded as such. It might not be wrong to call them "christian nationalists". But the word is so loaded at this point that I don't expect much nuance.
Exactly. And Bernie et al are thus, by definition, Social Nationalists or National Socialists.
They are already inside the House!!!
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/01/31/christian-nationalism-josh-hawley-ted-cruz-capitol-attack-column/4292193001/
Posting so jeff doesn't have to.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/name-and-shame-white-christian-nationalism-the-ideology-behind-jan-6
Good news everyone. The FBI is on the case.
https://babylonbee.com/news/fbi-closely-monitoring-gathering-of-christian-nationalists
/ yes sarcasm.
Thank God the SPLC calls it white Christian nationalism so we can monitor it.
https://www.splcenter.org/news/2022/12/28/dangerous-devotion-congressional-hearing-examines-threat-white-christian-nationalism
Brian Doherty calls it "Christo-Fascism".
Better?
Define the term for us shrike.
Write to Doherty here at Reasoin. Let him do it.
Why do you think people are calling him and other writers here out dummy?
It’s just as fucking retarded as when you say it.
Brian who?
The guy from 90210.
It has been fascinating watching the left try to resurrect the Christian Nationalist bogeyman narrative.
It isn't the same iteration as the KKK since there isn't the racial aspect in most Christian Nationalist organizations, but it is a grievance-centric, protectionist, theocratic, coercive, isolationist ideology that ignores the irrelevance of culturally conservative Christian beliefs to modern America.
When the North Star of your beliefs is the legislation of minority moral beliefs and political retribution against those who speak out against you, you are not on the right side of history.
Fortunately all that those of us who want religious folks to just leave us alone have to do is have patience. The present militancy of cultural conservatism is based in their knowledge that their day has passed.
In another 20 years the ones who want to be left alone will have secured more ground and those who want to force everyone to live by antiquated moral codes will be fighting a different, equally futule, battle.
"It isn’t the same iteration as the KKK since there isn’t the racial aspect in most Christian Nationalist organizations, but it is a grievance-centric, protectionist, theocratic, coercive, isolationist ideology that ignores the irrelevance of culturally conservative Christian beliefs to modern America."
You, uh, misspelled woke there, son.
*soy, not son
Your use of that word is so broad and lacking in specificity as to make it meaningless. But if you mean the hypersensitive, microaggression-seeing, free-speech-zone-loving, hostile-to-dissent fringe players on the left, you are correct. They are just as bad as Christian Nationalists in the social sphere and indistinguishable from them in their protectionism and love of trade barriers.
Just because someone else is equally as bad doesn't make Christian Nationalists good.
I have no idea what your response has to do with my comment.
It was pointing out that Christian Nationalism is a real thing. And a bad one, at that.
It may be a thing, but so are people who believe that Batman is a real person. Doesn’t mean they are anything to worry about as they are few and have no real power. If you think this country is heading towards being controlled by Christian Nationalists, you need to ease up on the fantasy stories.
If only Christian Nationalism had the same constituency as "Batman is real". America would be a better place.
We, as a country, have been subjected to a decades-long effort by religious people, evangelical Christians in particular, to create a privileged class to whom the laws that the rest of us have to follow don't apply. And they have had a disconcertingevel of success.
They are organized, politically potent, well-funded, and drive Republican policy. Now there is a segment of that movement who want to push protectionist policies, legislative retaliation against opposition, and judicial activism.
This is a proven political force in American politics who has taken heart from aggressive, transactional, and integrity-free takeover of the Supreme Court and the resulting overturning of Roe v Wade. They are pushing overtly theocratic policies and aren't afraid to sacrifice integrity as long as they get a win.
Literally everything you just said is false and dripping with bigotry.
Identifying the subset of religious conservatives (a potent political force on the right) who have adopted protectionist beliefs (like tariffs) and favor legislation to require non-Christians to adopt Christian beliefs is bigotry?
Pray tell, how is thay bigotry?
Turns out it is. There is literally not one shred of content anywhere on the internet by Ron Peri or even ABOUT Ron Peri that indicates he is a “Christian Nationalist”.
I wouldn't go so far as to say this. I *would* say that Boehm is doing his damnedest to convince me that Ronnie D. is right and we should fix defamation law. *If* Ron Peri and The Gathering are Christian Nationalists, then Antifa and BLM are unequivocal domestic terrorist organizations. For Reason to pretend the latter two don't exist or are "mostly peaceful" while insisting the former is some sort of threat is disinformative, anti-democratic, and underhanded as fuck.
Specifically, here's Ron essentially pontificating about where the country came from, where it's heading, and if it has lost its way.
Being clear, if Ron is a Christian Nationalist, he's not setting fire to police stations or courthouses or occupying state buildings with shotguns like Black Nationalists, he's not lighting crosses on fire in people's yards in the middle of the night like white nationalists, he's not beating people in the streets like German Nationalists, things that people generally consider to be destruction of property and/or violent crimes, he's simply asking questions about the direction of the country like any citizen, including the lowliest of them, journalists.
so as I suspected. "christian nationalist" is just "christian".
Or, frankly, "historian" since all you have to do is recognize the historical fact of the christian roots of the the culture to become a "christian Nationalist"
The founding of the USA was not, for instance, mainly composed of Chinese Buddhists, or Bengali Hindus, or African Jews. It was mainly composed of European Christians. This is just a fact.
Not in 1619 it wasn't!
The fact that America was founded primarily by Christians does not make America a Christian country any more than the fact that it was primarily Christians who engaged in 19th century scientific research make physics into Christian Physics.
The Christians who want to live their lives unmolested by the state are not a problem for the rest of us who basically want the same thing. The Woke, on the other hand, cannot stand your wanting to live your life the way you choose. I have yet to meet a Wokee who believes in individual liberty, private property and a smaller state.
When you talk of Christian Nationalists be sure that you're pointing your fingers at the right people. There are some Christians, who, like their Woke counterparts, need to run your life. The Woke and the Christian Nationalists are brothers from another mother. They all should be held in the same contempt.
Individuals need to be judged by their individual actions, not the actions of some arbitrary grouping of people
The fact that America was founded primarily by Christians does not make America a Christian country any more than the fact that it was primarily Christians who engaged in 19th century scientific research make physics into Christian Physics.
Now do Marxists and The Soviet Union. Be sure to loop in Lysenko, Soviet Science, and the adoption of New Math in the US in order to keep up with Soviet/Russian Nobel Laureates.
The Soviet Union was provably founded by Communists/Marxists. The Founding Fathers specifically, publicly, and intentionally did NOT include any religious tests or use Christ or Jesus or Christian in any documents.
History, learn it.
The Soviet Union was provably founded by Communists/Marxists. The Founding Fathers specifically, publicly, and intentionally did NOT include any religious tests or use Christ or Jesus or Christian in any documents.
One of these is a non-sequitur to the other. Logic, learn it.
Edit: To be clear, non-sequitur in context: it can't be both ways. Either Soviets were Socialists/Marxists and the USSR is/was a Socialist/Marxist Nation *and* the Christian-Enlightened FF founded a Christian-Enlightened Nation or neither one did either. Which was my original point.
Saying only Socialists can found a Socialist nation and no one else can is really rather pro-Socialist.
And yet the Christian Founding Fathers intentionally created a non-Christan nation. By design. With an Amendment to prevent it from becom8ng a Christian nation.
Your false dichotomy is glaringly obvious because we live in a nation designed to be secular, founded by Christians, based on Enlightenment principles that were often antithetical to theocracy and doubted a free country could be governed by religion.
We are a nation full of Christians, not a Christian nation.
The Woke and the Christian Nationalists are brothers from another mother. They all should be held in the same contempt.
Unless you’ve got evidence that people like Ron Peri are out “mostly peacefully”* looting, assaulting, and burning down private businesses, police stations, court houses, churches, and ICE detention centers with immigrants inside, you’re doing a great job of demonstrating the “Secular Objectivity” that’s replaced “Christian Objectivity” or “Classical Liberal Objectivity” or “Enlightenment Objectivity” or whatever other euphemisms you want to inject for “There’s objectivity and then there are partisan hacks who are full of shit and will lie and equivocate to obfuscate and you’re demonstrating yourself to be the latter.”
*As in, condoned, covered for, and equivocated on by the MSM and, apparently, people like yourself.
he’s not beating people in the streets like German Nationalists
Was ANTIFA a predominantly German political group? Gonna have to do some googling.
I thought it was Italian, but please share what you dig up.
Yes. I thought this was commonly understood to be the butt of the "And then, for no particular reason at all, the German people elected Adolph Hitler."
The Weimar Germans had a choice: Nationalist Socialists vs. Socialists. The Antifaschistische Aktion organization was the Communist Party of Germany(which was strongly aligned with Stalin/The Soviets)'s equivalent of the Sturmarbeitlung (Brownshirts).
The descent is so clear and direct that the *only* (literally like down to the font and word placement) difference between the logo then and now is that the flags changed direction in the breeze and one red flag (communism) switched to one black flag (anarchism) (the other red flag being socialism/Marxism).
Yes, national socialists vs international socialists.
international socialists
International(?), anti-German(?), anti-National/Populist(?), Elitist(?), Pro-Soviet… they were unequivocally Socialists and opposed to Nationalist Socialists.
Otherwise, more critically and as indicated, the organization is the exact same except they changed the flag noting solidarity with Stalin and The Soviets because Stalin’s dead and the Soviet Union is gone.
International(?), anti-German(?), anti-National/Populist(?), Elitist(?), Pro-Soviet… they were unequivocally Socialists and opposed to Nationalist Socialists.
Of course I left out the other *actual* Socialist alternative, Social Democrats.
“And then, for no particular reason at all, the German people elected Adolph Hitler.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_Soviet_Republic
>>the journalist class
has Eric graduated to this yet?
I'm sure he was part of JournoList. Didn't he brag about joining the journalist mastadon server?
There is literally not one shred of content anywhere on the internet by Ron Peri or even ABOUT Ron Peri that indicates he is a “Christian Nationalist”.
Must be some new definition of “literally”…
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/desantis-puts-gop-donor-moms-215300990.html
“Ron Peri, CEO of The Gathering USA ministry and a Windermere resident, has defended Christian nationalism in his lectures. Peri said he views America as being defined by Christianity and that God has blessed America above other nations.”
And here's Ron Peri himself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEhsU_fFQP8
Lots of other meshuggaas by him on YouTube.
Define for us the threat of christian nationalism shrike.
I know you're stupid but I'm shrike.
And known sock creator.
I'm not shrike, you cracker POS. And I was not addressing the issue of whether Christian Nationalism is a threat only whether Woodshitter's claim was factually true. It isn't.
But your links do not show that he is a christian nationalist. They show that some journalists have slandered him as such, nothing more.
Sure shrike.
Do you find the content of these lectures anywhere? Because a shitlib journoLiST who makes the claim about Peri unfounded, is not the same as actual content from Peri that would qualify.
You understand the difference right? Hope this helps.
Deflecting. You said that there was literally not a shred of evidence, etc. etc. and you were wrong. Admit it and move on.
Lol your "gotcha" is that you found some other unfounded slander from a shit lib journalost.
You're doing great. Keep it up.
Your evidence is a bald assertion from a leftist source shrike. He is asking for evidence.
You said that there was literally not a shred of evidence
Actually, he said “shred of content” which is why I disagreed with him on a literal level.
However, your extrapolation of “content” to “evidence” is at least equally, if not more, fallacious. Equally in that “content” can be fictional, “evidence” cannot be and the conflation is a lie. Moreso, in that you’ve perpetrated a second lie in defense of a/the original lie (to say nothing of the presumption of guilt, guilt by association, impugning someone for speech, etc., etc.)
defended Christian nationalism
If I defend black nationalists because they aren't hurting anyone, does that make me a black nationalist? I mean, support all the black people in the various nations of Africa doing everything they can to make their nations more peaceful and prosperous.
Relatedly, I support all the women striving to make Lesbos a better place.
Seriously? That video claims that God intervened in the Battle of Midway to assure America of victory. The belief may be silly but not as dangerous as the belief that 14 year old children should have "gender affirming care" like double mastectomies and bilateral orchiectomies.
A belief in divine intervention is not a threat to anyone. A belief that Peri is God's instrument of intervention could be dangerous but I didn't see anything to suggest that.
Or the belief that America was founded to glorify and uphold black slavery
There is quite a bit of info on the Internet about ‘The Gathering’. I found lots of information about it and about Peri in a few seconds – even had his picture. It seems that ‘The Gathering’ is yet another supernatural orientated organization that thinks Christianity is the best thing since sliced bread.
It seems that ‘The Gathering’ is yet another supernatural orientated organization that thinks Christianity is the best thing since sliced bread.
Which makes it no more or less of a threat, and the assertion that it is a threat no more or less of a slander, than the people who think homosexuality is the best thing since sliced bread… except for all the advocacy for the teaching of homosexuality being the best thing since sliced bread in public schools on one hand while, on the other, a football coach can’t even genuflect before eating a piece of leavened bread without being dismissed, sued, and/or brought up on charges.
I don't even know what a Christian nationalist is.
The only time I encounter the term is when it's being condemned or used as pejorative.
A 'Don't say Gay' bill has never been passed into law in Florida and DeSantis is certainly not fighting a 'culture war'. This is the typical leftist screed - put as many fake, false labels on people you can't win a debate against, to justify your ignorance, illogic or bigotry. Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.
"culture war" is when you notice the left is eating your culture alive from the inside.
Or notice that the right is interfering with your leftist attempts to eat the culture from the inside. So "culture war" probably isn't such a bad term for it when both sides engage.
Yes because self defense is assault so just drop the distinction and be sure to only notice the responses.
Nice. I like the latin at the end, it demonstrates great "diversity".
Not so much; the Romans had slaves!
White supremacy at it's worst.
Don't the Afrocentrists say the Romans were Black?
You're asking if *all* Afrocentrists think that? Racist.
You're saying ALL Afrocentrists are Black? Racist.
It has been an interesting shift watching the party of limited government really grab on to the idea of using government power to fight back against cultural losses that were the result of organic movement by the left, and not really based on government dictate by the left.
It's nice that you define the Twitter collusion, Burn Loot Murder riots, and Antifa as "organic", since that word includes lots of bull shit.
What are you talking about? None of that has to do with government dictate. All of that was literally created by members of the public. And the cultural capture by the left has been happening for forty years now. Long before Twitter and Antifa.
Using money extorted from citizens to promulgate certain viewpoints is most definitely using the power of the state. This isn't new. In the 1930's the Roosevelt administration paid "artists" to produce progressive propaganda. Among those artists was Orson Welles.
The Hayes office censored movies for 40 years. It was established supposedly to monitor films so the government wouldn't get involved and it was technically a private organization. The government "hinted" and the Hayes Office took the hints. A typical "public-private partnership" like Twitter, Facebook and the FBI.
There is nothing private about publicly funded colleges and because of loans, all colleges are publicly funded (except Hillsdale, a Christian college that accepts no government funding).
So when you say there were no government dictates what you mean is no visible government dictates involved in shaping the culture.
You basically proved my point. There's a difference between organic movement to institutions and then taking over those institutions with ideologically desired positions, and winning elections and forcing through law particular behavior to meet ideological means.
The left has done the former for decades now reaching the point where is controls the levers of power by taking control of those levers of power. Repubs are now realizing they have lost the cultural battle and turning to direct government dictate to reverse the course.
Pretending this isn't reality doesn't change the reality of it. If Repubs want to start winning cultural battles, going against their ideology to force compliance by government dictate is not the way. The way is that which the left has been doing forever.
None of that has to do with government dictate. All of that was literally created by members of the public.
Except where it was given material support by the government.
*clears throat*
You know who else stood idly by while rioters and looters took to the streets?
Hey, this one's actually NOT Hitler!
I don’t really know how to address your concept. Has a left wing ideology taken over government? Yes. You know how that happened? People with left wing ideology took over government institutions.
You have to divorce the concept of government involvement, or lack there of, with government dictate to force a change not already desired. The reason academia, government, and entertainment are left leaning is because the left moved it that way organically, not by passing laws to force a cultural behavior.
Sure, after they took over, they implemented policies, actions, and rules in conformity with their ideology. But that’s the difference, what they enacted was accepted because all the people around them agree with it because of organic societal movement.
And I guess government schools and state teacher colleges aren't part of the government.
They’re part of government, but the cultural change wasn’t by government dictate. It was because of the people who gravitate to academia. People with conservative ideology tend to gravitate to private market jobs, people with liberal (which then morphed into progressive ideology) tend to gravitate to government and teaching jobs. It’s literally the staffing that’s doing it. Not because some governor and state legislature decreed it that way.
cultural losses that were the result of organic movement by the left, and not really based on government dictate by the left
"To sum up The American Civil War, slavery was just an organic cultural loss and some people did some things." - Inquisitive Squirrel
I don't know why it's so hard to get across to you people that two complete strangers getting gay married is not literally the same as you being forced on threat of death to pick cotton and get raped by master.
You people!
Weird to see people who would otherwise extol specifically cultural diversity as a universal and unmitigated good suddenly talk about cultural loss like it isn’t something that impoverishes everyone.
Especially given the bad things that would normally be connoted as ‘cultural losses’ like the assassination of MLK, the assassination of Malcolm X, the assassination of Lincoln, Ghandi’s death, etc.
Almost like they don’t care about diversity or culture as much as they care about good people on both sides, being beaten in the streets, dying, having their stuff set on fire, or otherwise being marginalized.
Edit: Imagine thinking that there was no cultural loss at Chernobyl because it doesn't compare to slavery. Then imagine someone saying it in the sense that the cultural loss at Chernobyl was a good thing.
To my mind cultural loss refers to minority cultures lost to hegemonic white Christian imperialism. Gay culture is a thing too and has been for eons. You just don't know that because it, along with most of the other cultures of North and South America, Oceana, and Africa, white Christian imperialism has worked to systematically eliminate it.
You want to preserve diverse culture, you have to tolerate some diminishment of the power of the culture that has been destroying them all with ruthless genocidal fervor.
At the very least you have to give up on the idea that it's an essential element of your culture that it must dominate all others.
I don't even understand your point. Where am I talking about the Civil War? What does that even have to do with what I was saying?
Well, first, the whole notion of Gay Rights as an “organic movement by the left” from is, from Roy Cohn and Harvey Milk and Jim Jones and New York Mayor Robert F. Wagner Jr., the ALA, the APA, etc., etc., etc. all the way up to Ghiotto, Allison, Hewitt, and Kane v. City of San Diego and Obergefell v. Hodges… a complete fiction that doesn’t exist anywhere except your own head.
So, parsing out that nonsense, “cultural loss” is a thing but broadly/historically, as I indicated to D.R.(P.) above, it’s not generally a good thing to be celebrated or advanced even by people who would be unaffected or even benefited by it. Traditionally, the people who were “organically transforming culture without regard for cultural loss” are described as “colonialists” derogatorily or practicing an inherently bad and self-defeating “convert by the sword” methodology.
Concisely: Slavery constitutes "cultural losses that were the result of organic movement by the left" and your presentation of the latter phrase as a understood positive or good is rather synonomous with the similarly punitive instinct.
DeSantis is signing the New Right's most authoritarian ideas into law, erasing the distinctions between the private and political realms, and rewarding supporters of his power grab with more extraordinary political powers of their own.
But it's okay when Republicans do it.
How many times do we have to explain to you morons that government control of government schools is by definition what happens. It is not "authoritarian" to direct the schools in any way. They are by definition being directed by government in everything they do.
What has happened here is that the public schools were directed by government, as they always are, but in a way that hard left marxists dont like. That is all.
Now do teachinig creationism and phrenology and assigning The Protocols of the Elders of Zion to public students and see how fast these crybaby marxists support government authoritarian control fo schools.
They want their activism publicly funded. No restraints on how activists spend money in the classroom.
For the activists, public funding is a grant of nobility. For years, NPR and Public Television have had no problem raising money from donors, yet, they fought hard for public funding. The state is all knowing and all powerful. Without the blessing of the state, life is meaningless.
Republicans shouldn't have any control over education standards because they are incredibly stupid. That is certainly one good, sufficient argument.
You're not one of them so, clearly, they do not hold a monopoly on mind-boggling idiocy.
That's one reason why there are so many trolls and so few serious ideas within the so-called New Right.
Why bring Jesse, ITL, ML, Sevo, Overt, and the other Peanuts into this?
Tell us again how media matters is non partisan and how you’re not a leftist.
And sarc, this is how you post your list. Number 1!
I like Media Matters because they always use a video of some dumbass saying something stupid then use a legit source to disprove that video statement.
Video + outside source = non-partisan.
Example:
Video of Hannity saying "Biden shut down all US drilling"
Source - Baker Hughes "drill rigs up 300% since Biden inauguration"
See?
Yet, Media Matters is a very partisan site and will slant it how they feel it is best.
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/media-matters-bias
Media Matters is transparent about its bias. On its About page, it states it is a "progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media."
Media Matters took a strong left stance on all issues reviewed, such as stating that right-wing media was "baselessly portray[ing] [Twitter's] decision to suppress a story about Hunter Biden as having influenced the results of the 2020 presidential election." (Background: Read about the Hunter Biden laptop story and the Twitter Files here.) Media Matters takes a supportive stance on gender-affirming care (read about why "gender-affirming care" terminology and transgender medical practices are controversial here.) Media Matters called "climate denial" a "conspiracy theory", and rejected concerns that red flag laws meant to address gun violence would end or harm due process.
Media Matters for America is a 501(c)(3), web-based, not-for-profit organization. Media Matters was founded in 2004 by journalist and activist David Brock to "systematically monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation...every day, in real time." They publish research and analytic reports as well as rapid-response items and try to keep not only activists, but also the general public aware of misinformation. Some people consider Media Matters to be the media watchdog counterpart to the more conservative Media Research Center. They are also known for having declared a "War on Fox" in 2010.
Not exactly the centrist place I'd go to for unbiased takes and information. So, Pluggo, tell me you're a progressive without actually saying you're a progressive.
When you think Soros (biggest donor of the DNC) and media matters (literally established by leftists to attack the right) are non partisan… why would you assume anyone would trust your understanding of the center?
You have also attacked LibsOfTikTok as partisan dozens of times. They don't even edit videos. They post entire videos posted by libs.
You think Media Matters is non-partisan?!
This may be the dumbest thing I have read in a long time.
https://reason.com/2023/02/20/presidents-day-is-a-good-reminder-to-treat-the-presidency-with-skepticism/?comments=true#comment-9934346
Next it will be how honest and brave Aaron Rupar is.
Now do LibsofTikTok and Project Veritas.
And PLEASE reference "selective editing" so we can see how serious you are.
Just because we show you to be a progressive asshole, show your links to be crap, and actually read your links, unlike you, does not make any of us "New Right".
Now, please tell us again how Media Matters is a non-partisan site.
Congrats on number 2 by the way.
>>and COVID reactionaries
I'd be all "fuck you, I am me" about this but you lost credibility the pp before with the "Don't Say Gay" nonsense so I won't
“erasing the distinctions between the private and political realms”
Ooh, that’s a bad thing, I’m sure we can all agree.
“The main change in the new law is that the five-member board charged with overseeing the RDIC—functioning effectively as the region’s quasi-government—will now be appointed by the governor of Florida rather than handpicked by Disney’s executives.”
Wait, a government body whose members are appointed by a corporation? And now under the new law, the governing body is appointed by an elected official instead?
That’s *enforcing* the public/private distinction, not erasing it.
I can’t see how a private corporation appointing government officials is even constitutional. Under the U. S. Constitution –
“The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government”
Sounds like the United States government was asleep at the switch, to tolerate literal (not metaphorical) government by corporations in a state. How on earth is this republican? The United States “shall” – not “may” – guarantee a republican form of government.
Looks like Florida finally met its responsibilities and made the government republican, as required by the constitution. The question is why it took so long.
Another question is whether we can find any anti-corporate progressives cheering this new law, if only in a “DeSantis did the right thing for the wrong reason” sense.
Hopefully progressives will be helpfully pointing out how Ron is forcing taxpayers to foot the bill for Disney because it didn't adhere to state-enforced ideology.
You mean the debt that is STILL owned by and responsible to paid by Disney?
As a libertarian, I too stand against banning the banned thing that was unbanned by the previous ban ban.
banning is theft!
Disney got caught between just trying to make money, and surviving their bring-your-true-self-to-work, rainbow-haired employee outrage mill of their own creation. All this popcorn is gonna make me fat.
Ronnie should campaign with those Mouse ears.
He looks human.
So you can pretend he's a 9-year old Mouseketeer?
"No, no, leave 'em on!"—Buttplug
The combo of mouse ears and terrified, tear-stained faces are his Spanish Fly.
As an anti-vax conspiracy theorist, I resent the government stealing my money so that others can experiment with dangerous new drugs. If you want to experiment on yourself, you should use your own money. DeSantis is the only Governor that tells the truth. Senator Ron Johnson should become a Governor or President, too.
"In the old days, conservatives would have viewed unelected officials being appointed to oversee corporate decisions as a worrying intrusion of state power into private affairs."
Seriously, who's the shitbird that came up with this headline? It couldn't be further from any truth. Conservatives back then as of now abhor government intrusion into private affairs by unelected nameless and faceless bureauweenies. Furthermore, conservatives also abhor corporate overreach into the realm of crony capitalism with government as well. Do you even know what a conservative is?
"Cold War hawks...don't meaningfully exist in contemporary politics"
They're in the fucking White House.
Curious who he thinks is fully behind us funding Ukraine...
"anti-vax conspiracy theorists.
Like the guys who were saying it came from a lab?
or that masks don't work?
or that lockdowns don't work?
or that multiple mRNA jabs would be needed?
or that the mRNA injections didn't stop infections?
or that or that mRNA was lingering in the bloodstream for months after the injection?
or that the mRNA injections caused myocarditis in children?
or that excess mortality is associated with the mRNA injections? (cite to follow)
or that deaths from Covid were grossly overreported?
Because pretty much everything you guys called conspiracy theories turned out to be completely true.
https://actuaries.org.uk/news-and-media-releases/news-articles/2023/jan/17-january-23-cmi-says-2022-had-the-worst-second-half-for-mortality-since-2010/
Big money right-wing Christian nationalist groups on one side, big money left-wing activist groups on the other. Both want to fundamentally change the nature of our country to fit their respective (and mutually exclusive) agendas. But both would get essentially the same thing if they got what they wanted, an authoritarian country that would enforce its will on the people and punish dissenters.
The difference is that the big money left-wing activist groups actually exist.
That you're saying this on a magazine that has always been a mouthpiece for one of the most prominent right-wing billionaires out there is, I dunno, probably sad.
"right-wing Christian nationalist groups"
"prominent right-wing billionaire"
Are those two phrases identical?
I don't make the rules, I just observe when prominent right-wing billionaires are perfectly happy exploiting the gullibility of right-wing Christians.
You think they're throwing trans people at them because they actually care? They just can't hook them on gay marriage or abortion anymore.
Are those two phrases identical?
If there’s one thing the Koch Brothers (well just the one now) are known for its their dogmatic Christianity and rampant nationalism.
No mater what anyone says (even me), I love having you around Tony. You’re a fucking laugh riot.
They decided to put Christian gullibility to good use and make a little money out of it. What could be more American than that?
So, on one hand Christian Nationalists are big and scary and going to take over the world, on the other hand they aren't powerful and are simply being used by rich, non-Christian billionaires as pawns to make money.
I love the false narrative, omnipotent enemy who can be anything and everything that one needs in order to fill the needed role of villain in the story.
Seems to me if a corporation publicly and explicitly endorses a partisan position the case can be made that it is a contribution in kind. At the federal level not reporting those contributions is a violation of election law. I don't know anything about FL election law and we're not talking about a candidate for office in this case so I'm probably reaching here. But as a matter of public perception it's pretty clear that Disney crossed a line. Last I heard Disney dumped the guy that waded into this shit and the new/old guy is doing damage control. I don't think DiSantis started this fight. But yes he's using it to his advantage because apparently more Floridians agree with him than agree with Disney.
Let's see if I have this straight.
A corporation can donate unlimited money to a super PAC set up to help political candidates or a political party without restriction, as clearly spelled out in the first amendment.
Also, a corporation taking a political position while endorsing no candidate or party is a campaign contribution in kind that must be reported.
You think you might be reaching do you?
This anti-woke horeseshit surely can't work for these cretins all the way until election day. Republicans have done exactly as I predicted a decade ago: their politicians stopped merely shoveling FOX News into their voters' ears to propagandize them into voting R; they now are those same propaganda victims.
This is bad for them because they must actually think FOX News has some sort of connection to the real world. They must actually believe that the biggest problem in the world right now is not climate change, not crime, not pandemics, not Russia at war... but corporations and college students possibly being a tad too polite to minorities.
I'm looking at polling, and I don't think banning books and forcing colleges and corporations to adhere to a state-approved ideology fares all that well with the general voting public.
No doubt this will be why they must try to seize power violently again. We just don't know what's good for us.
And what's good for us is LeFou not being gay.
Youre boring. And quite stupid.
It’s all he’s got, give him a break.
Gay Fox.
You have to almost admire FOX News's cuteness. "Race neutral blah blah blah sparks backlash [from FOX News]."
How does it feel to be instructed precisely what to be angry about each day?
I don’t know, let me turn on MSNBC or CNN.
Haha. Yeah tony, we all know that “the biggest problem in the world right now” is actually Dave chappelle and his dog whistle killers. What’s the body count up to now?
Nobody has less “connection to the real world” than you, buddy. Grow up.
You can disagree with the impetus for this, but from a libertarian perspective, this should have been done decades ago. Disney was getting special benefits that no other amusement park go. But, instead of cheering the end of this corporate welfare, Reason complains about it.
Corporate welfare has only ever been a problem for the most principled of libertarians. Otherwise, corporate welfare is the primary reason libertarianism exists.
Both camps may see a problem with the state punishing a private corporation for the stated reason that it didn't adhere closely enough to state-approved ideology.
"Otherwise, corporate welfare is the primary reason libertarianism exists."
In which case it is not libertarianism.
Letting a factory pollute and not pay for the cleanup is a government subsidy.
Libertarianism is liberalism except it ignores all impediments to individual liberty except the ones that come from government. It's liberalism for the top 1% only.
Just checking...you think OTHER people are idiots, right?
Oh sure, the RD board can't actually veto the company's creative directions, but since Desantis allies are culture warriors, it's entirely fair to assume that Desantis will go as far as hold the entire district hostage to force Disney to do what he wants. Funny, I don't remember Reason objecting to proposals to have unelected civilian boards oversee police departments. The upcoming CA food council didn't get much coverage here, and that's basically a few unelected bureaucrats deciding the fate of entire industries.
This is what Disney effectively wants to happen in our classrooms. Again, these are kids not yet 10 years old.
https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2023/02/28/auto-draft-105-n534036
Disney is not constitutionally entitled to self governance. Had they come out of in favor of Russia in the Ukraine war, no one would object to Desantis taking away their self governance in "retaliation".
People are moving away from the Wonderbread picket fence Jesus lifestyle Ron thinks we should all be forced to adopt because it sucks and is bad.
Damn conservatives are fucking stupid. Selfish to the point of clinically antisocial. Other people practicing a free lifestyle that they don't recognize from the stories from their young childhood is treated as oppression to them. They're only free as long as everyone else is forced to conform. That's how they think. Maximally delicate cancel culture snowfucks, all.
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This entire Disney issue is everything that is wrong. A California company with some of their business in Florida wanted to influence Florida state law. The Governor uses the power of government to punish their unnecessary involvement in another states business. But he does so by taking away a political handout to big business and one can only guess how much money was thrown around by Disney to get the improper favoritism.
So Disney was wrong, DeSantis was wrong, the original decision to give one company special rights and privileges was wrong.
> A California company with some of their business in Florida wanted to influence Florida state law.
This is a lie. A company executive stated a political opinion that was contrary to the governor. That was all. Just an opinion. Not corporate policy, no political campaign, no efforts to subvert the new law, just an opinion.
You will never win by playing defense. I used to be reasonable. But that only produces worthwhile results when you are dealing with reasonable people. There was no point in Jews trying to be reasonable with the Nazis. And there's no point in rational people trying to be reasonable with progressives. Push-back and counter offensives are the only hope.
> In the old days, conservatives would have viewed unelected officials being appointed to oversee corporate decisions as a worrying intrusion of state power into private affairs.
Modern conservatives are no longer conservative. Hell, for a few short years after the cold war, conservatives almost seemed to be returning to their classical liberal roots. No more. They have become like the Old World right wing. Authoritarians obsessed with culture.
“The main change in the new law is that the five-member board charged with overseeing the RDIC—functioning effectively as the region's quasi-government—will now be appointed by the governor of Florida rather than handpicked by Disney's executives.”
Color me skeptical, but I don’t think any flavor of conservative (except small-government types) would have a problem with the state government (vs. a multinational corporation) being the de-facto local government.
Taking governmental powers away from a corporation that takes political positions in opposition to the government seems only right and just.
Doesn't it?
No. It wasn't, "DeSantis has figured out how to get them to cheer for it."
It was Democrats and their [WE] mob RULES! and compulsive shows of ignorance to the US Constitution. It's all part of the "save our Nazi-Democracy" partisan war of the lefts compulsive ignorance to a higher principle. When there is no longer a USA (per the US Constitution) all that is left is Gangland politics.
In the old days Liberals wouldn't be thirsting to teach your children about the pleasures of anal sex.
They aren't doing that now. What made the "Don't Say Gay" bill controversial was that it prevented teachers talking about "sexual orientation" in school. Sexual orientation doesn't just included having gay sex, it includes non-sexual things like falling in love, kissing, getting married, etc. Children absolutely need to learn about that. Little kids usually aren't interested in sex, but they get crushes, go on little dates, and stuff like that. Telling kids they can do that with members of the same sex is important. Some parents might disagree, but that makes them bad parents. Why should teachers have to listen to bad parents?
The "Don't Say Gay" law is deliberately written vaguely so its supporters can use motte-and-bailey tactics to defend it. The motte is to avoid teaching kids explicit details about sex, the bailey is to avoid telling kids that gay people even exist.
I grew up in the 90s and didn't know that homosexuality was even a thing until I was in 4th grade. Some parents wish we could go back to an era where that was possible, because they like to arbitrarily deprive children of important information about society for no good reason. They're bad parents, and any law that tries to enforce their wishes is a bad law.
I grew up in the 90s and didn’t know that homosexuality was even a thing until I was in 4th grade.
And that was a good thing. You had no need to be thinking about such things until you were approaching puberty.
Some parents might disagree, but that makes them bad parents.
In your opinion. Those "bad parents" own a stake in the public schools, too, so their opinions also matter.
Why should teachers have to listen to bad parents?
Because THEY'RE THE FUCKING PARENTS, NITWIT.
“And that was a good thing.”
Why? Because having gay children be treated like heterosexual children is terrible? Why should straight kids get their feelings reinforced from K through 3rd and not gay kids? There’s nothing wrong woth being gay. Or trans.
“Those “bad parents” own a stake in the public schools, too, so their opinions also matter.”
Sure, their opinions matter. But having their opinion be the only one that is legally permissable to discuss? That is having their opinion overrule every other opinion for no good reason. And that is projecting bad parenting onto the entire school.
“Because THEY’RE THE FUCKING PARENTS, NITWIT.”
In a class of 30 kids, there will be 30 different opinions. Why should restrictionist opinions be preferred to expansionist opinions? Especially if the restrictionist opinion is the minority in the community. An angry, vocal, lying minority. But a minority with a governor who wants to be President.
They aren’t doing that now. What made the “Don’t Say Gay” bill controversial was that it prevented teachers talking
Done. Out. Don’t need to keep reading.
Seriously, it’s gotten to the point that anyone who doesn’t say “What made the “Don’t Say Gay” bill controversial was that it prevented (Disney) [progressive/leftist/social justice warriors] from [insert grooming behavior/using the government to exert greater social control narrative here].” is either completely naive of the bill and it’s text or deliberately lying.
It’s obvious, they know it’s obvious, they don’t care they will continue to lie, they are worse than religious fundamentalists as even flat earthers and creationists can find ways to teach kids things like woodworking, home economics, math, and English, but these poor, inhuman “Don’t Say Gay” fucks apparently can’t even do that.
They aren’t doing that now.
https://redstate.com/kiradavis/2023/02/20/pennsylvania-english-teacher-says-his-sex-ed-course-is-designed-to-desensitize-children-to-sexual-imagery-and-genitalia-n706057
If you mean political gain, isn't that what politicians do? Kinda the job description.
De nada.
Not according to the ads for Jesus that I keep seeing. And, of course, the Bible.