Review: Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
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Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania wants to psych you up about the launch of "Phase Five" of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, a corporate entity that's now 15 years old and starting to look a little winded. Phase Five will naturally be a multimedia delivery system, hauling out the third Guardians of the Galaxy movie, a pair of sequels (Captain Marvel, Captain America), and a bunch of Disney+ TV stuff. Let the endless cross-promoting begin. But not yet.
The first two Ant-Man movies derived most of their charm from Paul Rudd, whose small-scale, nice-guy warmth in the role of Scott Lang/Ant-Man was a welcome downshift from Marvel's usual action-fantasy megalomania. Unfortunately, Rudd is swamped by this third film, which is a boiling neon tsunami of towering blob creatures, walking broccoli stalks, big chrome spiders, Avatar-style hanging sky islands, and much, much more, quite a bit of it either on fire or in the process of being detonated at any given moment.
The story, such as it is, begins in Scott's native San Francisco, where we see that his daughter, aspiring Ant-Teenager Cassie Lang (Kathryn Newton), is embarked on a personal project to remotely map the mysterious Quantum Realm (QR)—a subatomic dimension that exists "outside of time and space," as they say. The QR is "a secret universe," according to Janet Van Dyne (Michelle Pfeiffer), the original Wasp, who was held captive there for 30 years. Janet, the wife of Scott's mentor, Dr. Hank Pym (Michael Douglas), who was the original Ant-Man, is horrified to learn that Cassie has established a connection with the Realm, since any such link could easily become a bridge—and sure enough [cue calamity].
Most of the movie plays out in the QR, unfortunately. The overstuffed retro artiness with which this world is rendered suggests a trove of classic sci-fi magazine covers that have been scissored into doilies and then run through a computer. This eventually grows tedious. Janet and Hank are here along with their daughter, Hope (Evangeline Lilly), the current Wasp and still Scott's love interest. As anyone will know who felt their brain sliding sideways while watching last year's Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness, an anything-goes setting like the QR is a frustrating environment in which to attempt to tell a story. There's liable to be more than one version of the characters pinballing around, and here there's also a madly multiplying "probability storm" to create new kinds of confusion (in a funny scene in which Scott faces off against his many selves).
The movie barely has a story to tell (what there is of it is credited to Rick and Morty veteran Jeff Loveness), but returning director Peyton Reed can't keep it from sprawling anyway. The characters run around the Quantum Realm trying to escape, and a smooth-talking brute called Kang the Conqueror tries to stop them. Kang, who's played by Jonathan Majors, of The Last Black Man in San Francisco, is a worthy inheritor of the Big Badness once provided by the now-departed Thanos. Kang's problem—well, his enemies' problem—is that he can see the end of everything in advance. He knows how every conflict will turn out, and one can imagine that this allows him to plan surprises accordingly. He also collects time, or something, and can hand out spare wads of it as party favors. Majors brings a dark force to this seductive character, and he makes the movie a little more interesting whenever he rises up to say things like, "I don't live in a straight line."
But the most interesting thing in this oddly uncompelling picture is a quick scene in the end credits in which we get a dark, tantalizing look at things to come. It lasts maybe a minute or two, but it oozes atmosphere. Too bad that when everybody got together to make this picture, they didn't just go ahead and make that one instead.
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Such a retro perspective.
Quantamania has been criticized for an overly sprawling/boring story, middle of the road uninteresting and barely funny dialog, and bad CGI. To boot, they have someone on the cast that openly stated vaccine mandates are unethical (Evangeline Lily)
Wakanda forever suffered from all of these problems equally, if not more (a 3 hour snore fest with terrible CGI). They also had someone come out against vaccine mandates (Letitia Wright) as well.
Both movies are very mid, probably deserving of a 4-5/10.
Wakanda forever was labeled another cultural moment, with rave reviews and 9/10 ratings from the critics. Quantamania was labeled by these same critics as a major flop. User reviews gave both movies so far about a 4-5/10.
The main appreciable difference between the two very mid movies, is one cast is almost all white, the other almost all black.
Critics apparently have so low of expectations for black people that anything they put out has to be called a masterpiece. Soft bigotry of low expectations on full display
The quality of a movie has nothing to do with an actor’s stance on medical issues.
Given how often actors are morally confused, the fact that some of them actually seem to have mastered ethical logic to correctly call vaccine mandates unethical is quite a feat. But I agree that it largely shouldn't detract or (in this case) add to the appeal of a film.
the fact that some of them actually seem to have mastered ethical logic to correctly call vaccine mandates unethical is quite a feat
Could have been an accident.
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“…. the fact that some of them actually seem to have mastered ethical logic to correctly call vaccine mandates unethical is quite a feat.”
And that’s not even bringing up the elephant in the room about things which aren’t even vaccines and kill more than they save.
Correct. I still consider Hunt for Red October a good film despite starring a woke Karen who’s acting has killed more people than all of my firearms.*
* one piece in the collection came from a socialist state in the Balkans. It was imported after their revolution so it may have participated in collectivist’s cleansing others.
HfTRO still stands up to this day. But that's what happens when you've got some great supporting actors. Ol Rusty Baldwin's power in that film was largely being the canvas upon which rich colors of Connery, Tim Curry, Sam Neil, James Earl Jones and other character actors could be painted.
Don't forget Scott Glenn, Fred Thompson, and Courtney B. Vance. There were some top tier character actors in smallish roles in that film and it all was very authentic.
Pluggo, jeff and Tony like Jeffrey Jones stating that his performances are always touching.
Also... people who made movies back then were relatively good at their jobs.
The talent/competence drain of the last 20 years has been massive across the board.
I can understand why there may be some other meta aspects to why Wakanda Forever got such a positive receptive. It was a film very aware that Chadwick Boseman had passed away and there was basically an in-film eulogy for the actor. It plucks at the heartstrings and convinces the audience the film is doing something good because they feel emotions from it, but those emotions are because of actual thing that happened and not something the movie was able to create on its own.
You can say it's a racial thing and I won't pretend that doesn't play a factor. Still, if Chris Evans was to suddenly pass away and then the next Marvel film had a funeral for Captain America, I think it likewise would get rave reviews regardless mindless the actual story of the film was.
We watched this last night, and I found the funeral scene to be absolutely tacky. It was rushed, like the prologue of a weekly serial. The coffin looked like a plastic shell, that the warriors picked up and hoisted like...like an empty movie prop. An interesting scene with thousands of African dancers, and then the coffin is lifted into the air by a purple ray into a flying saucer that carried it away.
I disagree. Jordan Peele's recent all Black movies have been huge successes. They deserve their critical accolades, it's not just pandering.
And I've yet to find a glowing revue of Wakanda. Most critics agree it was a sprawling tedium.
I disagree. Jordan Peele’s recent all Black movies have been huge successes. They deserve their critical accolades, it’s not just pandering.
Peele's a one-trick pony at this point.
There was some fun in the Marvel formula originally, when you combined tighter character stories with the possibility of not knowing who might show up. It was fun to watch Captain American and the Winter Soldier and have Black Widow be a major character in it, along with the knowledge that Iron Man is out there in that world and could potentially be relevant to the story.
But they've lost the ability to actually write plots. These things are Frankenstein's monsters of production right now. They start creating certain action set pieces years in advance, before the film is written. Sometimes the scriptwriter and director aren't even being hired and the CGI action pieces are already being worked on. Writing becomes less about having an interesting story to tell and trying to connect the dots between the action set-pieces that the studio has mandated and spent millions on that you're forced to incorporate. If you wanted to slow down and have a more lower stakes story, you either accept the tonal disconnect of massive CGI high-stakes action that doesn't jive with your lower-stakes plot, or you flush thousands of manhours down the toilet.
It's also turned into a bit of an issue for suspension of disbelief. If every story they create has the whole planet or the whole universe being faced with destruction, where are the other heroes? If you're literally facing down the annihilation of everyone and everything you've ever cared about, and you know that there's a whole mess of extremely powerful people around who are interested in saving the world, why aren't they showing up more often? They're doing a bad job of finding reasons why other people don't show up in some of the solo movies because the stakes are insanely high.
"If every story they create has the whole planet or the whole universe being faced with destruction, where are the other heroes? If you’re literally facing down the annihilation of everyone and everything you’ve ever cared about, and you know that there’s a whole mess of extremely powerful people around who are interested in saving the world, why aren’t they showing up more often? They’re doing a bad job of finding reasons why other people don’t show up in some of the solo movies because the stakes are insanely high."
Yea, this was one of the ridiculous things with bringing in Captain Marvel.
"Damn, girl, you're like the most powerful hero ever... so where the fuck have you been while Thanos was killing half the life forms that have ever existed?"
"It's a big universe, I was busy. Don't be so earth-centric, you bigot!"
"Umm... pretty sure Thanos killed half of everybody in the whole universe. So half of whomever you were busy saving. Maybe it would've been important to stop him regardless of where he or you were at any given moment? But okay."
The only reason Thanos came to Earth was because Earth was protecting two of the stones. She could've shown up on Vormir or Knowhere or Titan and protected the stones/prevented the snap there. She may as well have just said, "I was busy looking for my keys under the lamppost." at least then she would've had the valid excuse of having lost her keys (and maybe being drunk).
If you’re literally facing down the annihilation of everyone and everything you’ve ever cared about, and you know that there’s a whole mess of extremely powerful people around who are interested in saving the world, why aren’t they showing up more often?
Probably because the actors who play the extremely powerful character won't get out of bed for less than ten million dollars.
Or higher depending who they're in bed with at the time.
To be fair, if I were in the sack with someone like Margot Robbie, it would take rather a lot of money to get me out of there.
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It's almost like they are a comics book company or something. Because that's what superhero comics are.
Marvel usually had some relief from that. Peter Parker, for instance. The movies gave me an Iron Man suit, which ruined the the whole Spider-Man feel.
But overall, superhero comics have been about universe threatening events and constant crossovers and stuff.
Just because it's based on comic books doesn't mean the movies shouldn't strive for internal consistency. That's the bedrock of storytelling.
And superhero comics actually aren't always about world-ending threats or cosmos-destroying entities. At least the good ones. There's often a lot of stories which are lower-stakes and just about lower level stuff. You can make a great story where the stakes boil down to "We really like this character and want to see them succeed."
This is why a c-list youtuber created a kickstarter with a stretch goal of $100,000 raised $3 million dollars in three weeks for a straightforward comic story about a black superhero that avoided woke themes. And it angered industry officials so much that any mention of the comic on reddit/r/comics was literally banned.
People are starved for non-woke, straightforward stories. And non-woke doesn't mean "anti-woke", it just means it's not loaded with D.I.E. themes and tokenized characters.
Edit: It wasn’t a kickstarter. It was a website he built from scratch because he knew that once the industry got a whiff of what he was doing, kickstarter would kill his project and literally steal his funds.
Paypal which was one of his three (I think) payment processors tried very, very, very hard to steal about a million bucks of his funds. I know he got lawyers involved, not sure how that played out.
The comic should be about a black superhero battling an evil woke corporation named Paypal.
That's going to be Issue #2, the Revenge of Issue #1.
I listened to his podcast where he was describing what he was doing. He had enough of the social justice nonsense being forced like gay characters kissing for no reason that advanced the story, convoluted timelines, constant do-overs with an alternate reality if the original line faded out and just uninspired writing that advanced a political agenda instead of the Arc.
“But they’ve lost the ability to actually write plots.”
What plots they had are all thanks to writers long dead. Think about it - the entire Marvel Universe simply picked up the plots of art written decades ago. To those of us old enough to have read the source material, it was a homecoming to an established mythos. Sure, they departed from the original to claim some measure of “artistic achievement” (rarely if ever improving on the original, but at least not so much as to ruin it).
Now they have exhausted that source material, and are simply substituting crazy / woke for actual creativity. They have outlived their value to society, even as simple entertainment.
They complain about Marvel being woke, then they complain about a movie where one of the main characters is a WASP. Make up your minds!
Nice! I see what you did there
…but ONLY one. Clearly a token…
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I heard the story on this one is so completely nonsensical and juvenile, that it may be the dumbest Marvel movie... like, ever.
Still several levels above Suicide Squad (either one).
When I heard one of the scenes is basically Ant-Man's bitch wife and cunt daughter sitting at the table hectoring him for not doing superhero shit anymore and just living his life, I was out instantly. Someone like Paul Rudd who's been blessed with god-tier anti-aging genes deserves way better than to get constantly stuck in movies where he's gets treated like shit by the women in his life.
Ouch! Yes, somewhere some woman (what does that mean?) doubtless found that scene “empowering.” Or, more likely that was some gay man trying to imagine what a woman would feel….
Marvel's Phase IV has been a mess, as many predicted. The best part so far has been The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special, where Drax and Manta do an alien abduction on Kevin Bacon to give to Starlord as a Christmas present.
I’m easily entertained so I haven’t disliked any of Phase IV (yes, even she-hulk), so take this however you like, but I thought MoonKnight was really good.
The tyranny of low expectations revealed…
In general, it's best to remember that Marvel Studios stopped making stuff after Endgame.
Kinda like how Star Wars and Indiana Jones were both trilogies, and Highlander had no sequels.
Really, since 2015, when they completely passed into Disney property. The last film that was truly a Marvel-made or produced film was either Civil War or Doctor Strange.
And before they were owned by Disney, they made two films a year. That number is now four films a year, plus tons of TV projects. It's grown unmanageable.
Combine stupid left-wing ideology with a Chinese factory-tier production schedule, and that sums up Disney Marvel in a nutshell.
Combine bending a knee to China, fighting with Florida to maintain it's special tax status and fiefdom, transing your kids, pushing a gay agenda and "I hate you because your white" cartoon rap nonsense that manages to denigrate everyone not black and push an anti-American agenda at the same time and just say no to Disney.
Man, I'm so over Disney! I dropped them last night so I can binge on Mythbusters on Discovery + and Penn & Teller's Bullshit! on Showtime. Much more thought-provoking and entertaining stuff than the mess that's become of comics.
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