After Tyre Nichols Killing, It's Once Again Time To Build a Bipartisan Movement for Police Reform
Let's start by doing away with the idea that officers are engaged in a war for our streets rather than involved in a civilian operation that requires community support and trust.

A late acquaintance offered the following scenario to determine a person's fundamental attitudes. Let's say we happen upon police officers beating a suspect. We know nothing about the incident beyond what we're witnessing. Is our gut instinct outrage at the smackdown—or do we figure the cops must be in the right and the suspect no doubt is getting what he deserves?
As someone who generally distrusts government authority and has covered several troubling police-use-of-force incidents, you can probably guess where I'd come down. But I know people who have been victims of violent crime and seem more likely to side with the police. Typically, people tend to make snap judgments about these encounters based on their biases rather than the facts.
Until relatively recently, however, police authorities completely controlled the dissemination of those "facts" and the investigatory process. For instance, California law gives accused officers so many procedural protections that it's nearly impossible to have real accountability. The internal "thin blue line" culture leads the public to distrust official information. Fortunately, video cameras have shifted that dynamic.
Oddly enough, video of some brutal incident—such as the police shooting of an unarmed man begging for his life in Arizona or that Minneapolis officer who kneeled on George Floyd's neck—doesn't always change the viewers' attitudes. Kneejerk police defenders will still make excuses for the cops or change the subject by criticizing the resulting protests or riots.
For their part, many community activists will harangue the police even when a suspect is acting in a violent manner. It seems nearly impossible to bridge the gap between "back the badge" conservatives who fly those blue-stripe flag desecrations and "defund the police" progressives who fail to acknowledge the human toll of the latest violent-crime wave.
Perhaps the latest horrific incident in Memphis might push the nation back to the center: toward an understanding that we can actually do two things at once by fighting violent crime and firing badge-wearing thugs. A few years ago, the stars were aligning for a sensible bipartisan police-reform movement, but recent culture wars swept away that opportunity.
It was painful to watch the video of four Memphis police officers pummeling Tyre Nichols after a traffic stop near his home last month. "The initial police report said Nichols 'started to fight' with officers and at one point grabbed one of their guns," CNN reported. "But neither claim was substantiated by police videos released last week."
Someone leaked that report to a radio host despite the police department's consternation. To its credit, the department released some of the gruesome video footage. As Nichols was on the ground, an officer kicked him, another hammered him with a baton and another pepper-sprayed him. It reportedly took 22 minutes for an ambulance to arrive. Fortunately, the city fired the officers and the DA is pressing charges.
This case will make it harder for culture warriors of the left and right to focus on tangents. The video is lengthy, so police defenders can't claim it was taken out of context. Nichols is black, but so were his attackers—thus diminishing the racism angle. So far, ensuing protests have been perfectly peaceful, thus allowing the public to focus on the incident rather than the aftermath.
As I've often argued, the problem centers on the nature of our current policing bureaucracy and its stubborn refusal to embrace even modest reforms. Current police culture promotes militarization—the idea that officers are engaged in a war for our streets rather than involved in a civilian operation that requires community support and trust. That's why I oppose efforts by the military to send decommissioned hardware to local police forces.
Politicians on both sides of the aisle actively court the support of police organizations, so they pass crime bills and other measures that always ramp up funding. Even in progressive California, union-friendly Democrats have granted police unions a special bill of rights and secrecy protections that make it nearly impossible to fire abusive officers.
Federal laws give officers wide-ranging immunity. The federal drug war led to asset-forfeiture laws that let police agencies take our property without due process or proof that its owner committed a crime. If you pass police-state laws, you get police-state behavior. Yet instead of evaluating these measures individually, Americans easily fall into the "pro-cop" or "anti-cop" trap.
And even when lawmakers pass a long-awaited reform, the bureaucracy digs in and resists its implementation. California Attorney General Rob Bonta has publicly supported police-oversight measures. However, CALmatters reports that the Justice Department "hasn't probed—or even logged—all police shootings of possibly unarmed people," as required by a 2020 law.
Reason's J.D. Tuccille is correct that the Nichols killing should revive widespread efforts at police reform—but that will only happen once Americans stop instinctively choosing sides and start looking deeply at the way our "public safety" agencies operate.
This column was first published in The Orange County Register.
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"Even in progressive California, union-friendly Democrats have granted police unions a special bill of rights and secrecy protections that make it nearly impossible to fire abusive officers.
Federal laws give officers wide-ranging immunity. The federal drug war led to asset-forfeiture laws that let police agencies take our property without due process or proof that its owner committed a crime. If you pass police-state laws, you get police-state behavior. Yet instead of evaluating these measures individually, Americans easily fall into the "pro-cop" or "anti-cop" trap."
This right here is the trap.
American Republic style policing is your elected sheriff. Police are and always were Progressive, anti-American, statist thugs.
Americans fall into this trap because government easily manipulates the press into culture wars to split our people and prevent reform.
Police reform or tax reform means fighting the Civil War all over again. So long as the Union subjugates the Republic, this will continue.
“qualified immunity, the legal doctrine that shields local and state government actors—not just police—from facing federal civil suits when they violate someone’s constitutional rights, so long as the way they infringe on the Constitution has not been “clearly established” in prior case law.”
With a law that precludes convictions without precedent, how does a precedent get set in the first place?
Lincoln did it by force of arms when he invented "war time powers".
Precedents that blatantly violate the law (title 18 sections 241, 242 US Federal Code) are always established by force.
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The biggest monkey in the zoo type of civilization?
”...accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.” -Jefferson
Recognizing that isn’t new or particularly noteworthy.
Doing something about it, is.
“It is fatal to enter into any war without the will to win it.” -McArthur
We have the right. We have the power.
As soon as we started to collect the will, lockdowns and ‘misinformation regulations’…
Patrick Henry and Solzhenitsyn were both right.
I think ‘Mein Kampf’ is more Misek’s speed.
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the operative word you used is "union". get rid of the unions and thing are guaranteed to improve.
Memphis is a blue city. Memphis should clean up its own house as should any community that fails its citizens with unacceptable policing. There were several blue cities during the summer of love that (intentionally?) failed to stop violent and deadly riots ostensibly started because a guy of a certain protected class overdosed.
Hold your mayor and town council responsible.
Can't. The Feds will intervene either directly through lawfare or indirectly through "Mostly peaceful protests" orchestrated by FBI plants.
Memphis is a blue city.
Democrat-run big cities have a problem, therefore we must impose reforms on small towns and rural areas.
And we must slide the narrative to imply this is a Republican issue.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1624023984625819648?t=A_ufWz4-gBcA8MRB20RgWQ&s=19
A radical leftist baker in Oakland who believes in the abolishment of the law has tragically died after being dragged to death by robbers. Jennifer Angel, who ran Angel Cakes, was an anarchist activist. Her GoFundMe says they hope her killers (believed to be black) aren't jailed.
Jennifer Angel has a long history of far-left organizing in the Bay Area of California. She was trying to proselytize the belief that nation-states, the rule of law, police, etc. should be abolished in favor of an anarchist utopia. She supported the 2020 riots in her community.
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Seems like she got what her desires lead to.
She is more than welcome to her leftist anarchist utopia.
Like jumping into the volcano of woke.
A Nelson Munson “Ha Ha”.
So she died of what she believed in.
Nothing says "Tell me you're a shitty baker without telling me you're a shitty baker." like "My bakery is famous because of my anarchism."
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Of course, safe rural places need equity with Dem hell holes.
Rescind the cops monopoly on use of force in stops initiated by a non violent infraction. Get mug shots and finger prints in the field also allowing application of an ankle bracelet and blood draw in the field. Greatly reduce booking suspects. Let non violent suspects run if they want to be caught on camera breaking a law. Have a special unit that arrests these runners after a warrant has been issued.
But I know people who have been victims of violent crime and seem more likely to side with the police.
I've noticed that as well. However the thing that I've always thought was odd about that is that these people support the police even though the cops refuse to lift a finger to investigate crime. They grudgingly fill out a report if the victim is lucky, and that's the end of it.
People who are victims aren’t targets of police.
People who fight back against violent abusers, are.
People who support police are too lazy, comfortable, narcissistic, to be active, good, citizens. This is the situation police were established to create.
Want to fix the problem, support your elected Sheriff and abolish Police.
People who are victims aren’t targets of police.
Sure they are. Anyone who interacts with the police is a potential target. They don't investigate crimes. They respond to calls and look for someone to arrest. Quite often it's the person who foolishly asked them for help after being the victim of a crime.
So much ignorant paranoia. Seek help.
Governments target property owners.
It’s how they fund terror in the US.
Police won’t ignore you if you are a victim and a property owner, but they don’t go after victims specifically. Victims are likely already cowed and poor.
Police target property owners because that is where the profit is.
Victims are also disproportionately criminals themselves, or at least have criminals in their household, and so are reluctant to initiate contact with police.
After Tyre Nichols Killing, It’s Once Again Time To Build a Bipartisan Movement for Police Reform
Never going to happen. GOPers hate the other side so much that they’ll go to absurd lengths to derail and deride any efforts to reign in police abuse, simply as a matter of principle. Issues don’t matter. All that matters is who supports them.
No politician is stupid enough to truly make their own goon squad accountable.
+1
Police are the enforcement arm of the legislative branch.
Well this is lot of vitriolic nothing. Mostly projection of your own hate for a party as you defend one side exclusively. Speaking of police reform... maybe pass a law regarding copa shooting unarmed women on public property? Oh wait. That is the good kind of police abuse you continue to back.
Wait. What is this? Sarc arguing from complete partisan ignorance yet again?? Say it ain’t so.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-gop-unveils-police-reform-bill-seeks-discourage-use-choke-n1231275
they’ll go to absurd lengths to derail and deride any efforts to reign in police abuse
Like burning cities down for half a year?
That's what GOPers say to justify J6. "They did it first and they did it worse so what we did was ok! All hail Saint Babbitt! Now let us pray. Fuck Joe Biden. Fuck Joe Biden. Fuck Joe Biden. Amen."
The standard tu quoque fallacy that leftists and post-Trump conservatives believe to be a logical argument.
And he shows his true colors. Mocking a dead woman at the hands of police.
That is not how the GOO defends J6. They state it was bad and it was a riot. But they also say YOU are a hypocrite for only complaining about one while often dismissing complaints of the BLM riots.
They point out an unarmed woman was shot by police who were never threatened, you mock her dying.
They point out the abuse of the DoJ and FBI to threaten non violent participants with up to 20 years in jail. Abusing the 4th amendment with searching Bank records to identify even more people to arrest.
Youre a statist when it suits your needs. Your hatred of the right has you defending terrible actions by the government.
Youre not principled. You only care who supports something to determine your stance on the issue.
That is also not a tu quoque as they are pointing out your hypocrisy, not defending the J6 riots. That is your idiocy and ignorance shining brightly.
All Hail Saint Babbitt! Patron Saint of the "Law and Order" wing of the Republican Church! We should ALL be inspired by Her!
(Always ask of yourself, "What would Saint Babbitt do?". Then go and DO it!)
No idea, but go fuck yourself with Tim's wand.
Too late!
What does that have to do with anything? You didn't even bother to Boaf Sides! this and started blaming Republicans for torpedoing any and all police reform initiatives (including anything that leftist enclaves could do themselves) while completely ignoring the coordinated, months-long campaign to convince Americans that the police don't have enough leeway to control roving bands of violent thugs.
In our Republic, we, the property owners, own the government and all its property.
Any time a trespasser attempts to destroy property or deny the use of the property to the owner, the 2nd Amendment applies.
I see no difference between Antifa attacking a car dealership and police denying the people who actually own the capital from entering the building they own.
The people who own that property have a right to expel trespassers with lethal force, PARTICULARLY if the trespassers are government employees.
To be clear. I have no problem with Antifa attacking police stations either so long as Antifa are private property owners. If Antifa are actually FBI plants, there should be hangings in DC.
In our Republic, we, the property owners, own the government and all its property.
Try not paying property taxes and tell me who is the property owner. The government owns everything. We're just renting.
This is due to the Civil War and is not due to legitimate government.
Lincoln murdered the Republic to create the Union and we have all been subjects and slaves since.
Property taxes go back to English law, not the Civil War.
The US Civil War was a counter to the 1776 revolution. It didn't establish us as citizens of the crown. It established us as subjects of the Union.
Also to be clear. Any members of the US Government who was on duty and acting in an official capacity, who took part in the riot at the capital should be prosecuted.
I do not mean police defending the capital.
Epps needs to be investigated, tried for treason and likely hanged.
Many thousands of democrats, RINO’s, and their cohorts should be hanged.
"In our Republic, we, the property owners, own the government and all its property."
And...
"I see no difference between Antifa attacking a car dealership and police denying the people who actually own the capital from entering the building they own."
Sure! I should be able to barge onto an aircraft carrier or a nuclear submarine any time I please! PLUS, invade the meetings of all and any government employees anywhere!
(But ONLY me and mine! Members of the WRONG tribes should be barred from entry!)
Feel free to try.
I do believe the 2nd grants us the right to acquire the power to do so but only if that sub is a government asset. If it’s a privately owned air craft carrier, I support their right to end the trespass.
I will trust my neighbor with a nuke before I trust a central government agent with a spitwad.
Re-privatize the US Military, return power to the people and abolish the centralized, military industrial complex and the property tax that funds it.
Restoring the Republic means ending the US Military as we have known it since the Civil War.
"They" did do it first. "They" did do it worse. It's ok to point that out.
Now do the Dems...
Since 1863 or so, there only, truly has been one party in the US.
Never going to happen. GOPers hate the other side so much that they’ll go to absurd lengths to derail and deride any efforts to reign in police abuse, simply as a matter of principle.
Is that what happened after the George Floyd killings, when there was a massive bipartisan push for reforms? Or did it get completely derailed because one side racialized the whole thing and starting pushing their Marxist wish list, undermining the whole thing?
The Right to Resist Arrest!!
The duty to resist unlawful arrest.
The arrest wasn't unlawful. The method used was.
"Never going to happen. GOPers hate the other side so much that they’ll go to absurd lengths to derail and deride any efforts to reign in police abuse, simply as a matter of principle. Issues don’t matter. All that matters is who supports them."
Vital to remember this is a one-way street.
And don't bitch sarc. You chose to mention a specific side only.
Do you see Democrats going out of their way to derail police reform proposals from the GOP? Me neither.
Yes.
Many voted against Tim Scotts bill. They also had many vote against First Step.
I literally linked a GOP reform bill above.
Your reliance on ignorance is tedious.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/25/if-democrats-cared-about-police-reform-they-would-have-advanced-tim-scotts-bill/
Try education.
Education? No, Sarc thrives on booze, and his hatred for Trump. And to some degree his homo erotic fixation on you.
Tim Scott's bill was blocked by them.
So yes.
Yes, because having the issue is more important than resolving anything. Dems controlled the presidency, house, be and Senate and did nothing. Kind of like immigration reform.
I have to admit, I am surprised with you so finally showing your ture political colors. It's kind of refreshing, actually.
It isn’t the job of the federal government to “reign [sic] in police abuse”, it’s not one of the delegated powers. The federal government lacks the necessary knowledge to effect meaningful local reforms across such a diverse nation.
Beating someone to death is already illegal and the officers are being prosecuted.
There are things the federal government can do, but it's not "police reform":
- outlaw public sector unions (incompatible with a republican form of government)
- remove qualified immunity (a problem created by the federal government)
- stop giving grants to local/state police
- stop giving military equipment to local/state police
- abolish all federal police forces outside DC
What the federal government can't do is:
- define rules of engagement
- define job requirements
- ban no-knock warrants
Those are state matters (as long as they don't violate equality under the law).
Never going to happen. GOPers hate the other side so much that they’ll go to absurd lengths to derail and deride any efforts to reign in police abuse, simply as a matter of principle
This wins the 100 yard dash to miss the point.
From the article:
You're making me defend the article, sarcasmic. I don't like it when I have to defend the article, but here I am.
The point, (that Reason lurches towards realizing) is that this is truly a bipartisan issue. If the bluest of the blue areas can't reform their police, then the problem is bigger than a couple of GOPers living in a trailer in a bluer-than-blue-found-in-nature-blue political district.
An to take this back to the qualified immunity fight-- it's another reason why the left has ZERO interest in reforming Qualified Immunity: Because a large majority of people who BENEFIT from Qualified Immunity have the Democrats in their thrall. The Police (who get all the press about the absurdities of QI) are a relatively small cohort of QI beneficiaries.
You wanna reform the police? So do I. We just gotta get through the Teacher's Unions first.
You are aware that policing is a local issue and that Memphis is a blue city correct?
Shit. Reason is asking for another 100 days of Portland riots.
Luckily, the potential rioters either don't know Reason or think that Reason is "The Stormer" and aren't paying any attention to it.
I'm ok with that, but I don't live in Portland, and don't particularly like the place. 😉
Look, with evidence pointing at the idea that Nichols was a targeted murder (due to him dating one of the cop's ex-wife), that's not really a good example of a problem that can be fixed with police reform.
On the other hand, the fact that the police thought they could get away with first degree murder disguised as a bad traffic stop should give you pause.
Affirmative Action hiring increases the likelihood of such abuses.
The only reason Antifa and BLM are not rioting, destroying private property and leaving behind a trail of corpses is that the cops in this case are black. Period.
I think it has more to do with political expediency.
FBI did not mobilize Antifa yet. They have something else in mind.
Or because team D controls the white house.
Team D controls that city as well. Nothing to be gained upsetting that apple cart.
Might even slow the grift/graft.
"Nichols is black, but so were his attackers—thus diminishing the racism angle."
It should have, but it actually has not. The radical Left tends to believe that enforcing the law is inherently racist. To the extent that they formulate their ideas for reform on that premise, then they cannot be integrated into a wider police reform movement.
“The radical Left tends to believe that enforcing the law is inherently racist. To the extent that they formulate their ideas for reform on that premise, then they cannot be integrated into a wider police reform movement.”
I disagree. The left is pushing that enforcing laws that protect property rights is inherently racist. They will push and push hard for broad police reform to nationalize police and impose socialized property.
The left and right both want reform that gives government all our property rights. I fear those of us who want reform that returns those rights are unwilling to fight against police for them.
And that is, IMO, root cause of the issue.
Or, maybe five bad cops are just five bad cops, not a systemic problem. It is childlike fantasy to think that no cops will ever do bad things.
They were immediately charged with murder. Sounds like the system is working
Were it one cop, or a cop and his partner I would be inclined to agree.
But it was five cops actively doing it, and a whole bunch of other personnel observing.
That positively screams command issue.
Yes. They clearly were unconcerned that their behavior would have negative consequences. That indicates a systemic problem.
Their behavior had immediate negative consequences. They were just too low IQ, low impulse control and short time preference to think about it.
The presence of such people on the police force, and the fact that such immediate consequences are very unusual, indicate a systemic problem.
What a bad faith statement. I want the cops to be held to account, but destroying other people's stuff is unacceptable. Criticizing rioters is not support for bad cops. Perhaps Reason should hire writers who believe in libertarian principles like don't hurt people or burn their store to the ground after looting it.
Wow, that's really in there. I guess it's par for the leftist course to say "We need to be Bipartisan and do what I want but fuck all those jerks from the other side, their concerns are stupid!"
Criticizing rioters is not support for bad cops.
It is when it's used to deride police reform proposals with ad hominem guilt-by-association arguments. "That person didn't sufficiently criticize the riots! That means their ideas are stupid!"
You still don't know what ad hominen means.
Ad hominen: You're wrong because you're an idiot.
Not ad hominen: You're wrong. And, you're an idiot.
What a bad faith statement.
If it weren't for bad faith, Greenhut wouldn't have any faith at all.
It's there plainly in his title. Now? *After* Tyre Nichols is the time for police reform? Not way back when the President was saying "Good people on both sides", people were chanting "All Lives Matter", and the FIRST STEP Act was getting penned into law? But, now that Tyre Nichols is dead, we should suddenly give a shit what Steve or any of the other Reason contributors who sided with the "mostly peaceful" loot-and-burn tactics of BLM and Antifa have to say? Fuck no. Get fucked Greenhut. And fuck your COVID amnesty too.
“Criticizing rioters is not support for bad cops.”
Well no shit, Sherlock! It CAN, however, be a knee-jerk reaction of DRAWING THE CONVERSATION AWAY FROM THE RECENT OFFENSES THAT DESPERATELY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED!!! Which was the point being made, Hello?!?!
“Hey asshole, why did you pass a turd into the punch bowl?”
“Well, you know, the punch bowl contained some juices from fruits raised using slave labor in Buttfuckistanistanistanistan, and besides, I didn’t like the way that it tasted. Now how ’bout them Houston Astros lately?”
Plucky squirrel not so easily misled.
https://twitter.com/AurelianofRome/status/1624005985131012096?t=zIwiaX5YwK49a2RAaYz8IA&s=19
This is racist rhetoric equal to what you’d find in “Mein Kampf”. It’s paid for with taxpayer money in public institutions even though it violates the Civil Rights Act.
All created by Democrats, pushed by Democrats, and protected by them.
Leftism is ethnocidal.
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All created by Democrats, pushed by Democrats, and protected by them.
Just like Jim Crow laws.
However, let’s hold onto the idea that racism is the problem, and once we end racism, this problem will go away.
You are against racism, no?
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The correct term is racial collectivism. "Racism" is preferred by collectivists for a reason...
Woof. Looks like some people have a lot of crazy ideas.
If only we had perfect people to be police, we would not have problems with police violence.
But if only we had perfect people we would not need police.
OK, then, let's all be perfect.
We can raise standards for police without seeking perfection. But, we can't pursue DEI and higher standards at the same time.
After Tyre Nichols Killing, It’s Once Again Time To Build a Bipartisan Movement for Police Reform
After, but not before? When you say “Bipartisan Movement”, you mean like one that says, “All Lives Matter.”? Because I’m pretty sure that one has been tried before and dicks like you, Greenhut, intentionally, full-knowingly, and completely maliciously fucked it up.
+1
The solution is to get the truth out to the public so they stop believing the following bull sheet so we can go back to community policing and take back the streets at the same time:
'...eight in 10 African-Americans and about half of white Biden voters said that they thought that young black men were more likely to be shot to death by police than to die in a car accident—one of the largest mortality risks to the young and healthy. Another survey, by Skeptic magazine, showed that more than a third of liberal and very liberal respondents thought that the number of unarmed blacks killed by police each year was “about 1,000” or more. About a fifth of those calling themselves “very conservative” thought the same thing. Yet another survey, from a trio of academics, found that about four in 10 African-Americans reported being “very afraid” of being killed by the police, which was roughly twice the share of black respondents who reported being “very afraid” of being murdered by criminals, as well as about four times the share of whites who reported being “very afraid” of being killed by the police....'
Five plus cops engage in an organized beatdown. Almost twice as many other LEOs and first responders do nothing to stop or report it.
IF you are not calling for the head of EVERY SINGLE PERSON up the chain of command then you are not serious about solving this problem either.
Because the only way this improves is if the people IN CHARGE understand that their careers are on the line too.
Strange that the "systemic racism" crowd is so quiet this time.
Not just careers, but their personal wealth and freedom.
Title 18 section 241 for the judges, DAs, and politicians responsible.
Revoke all immunity from the law and restore the social compact.
Start with Congress.
Voting for a property tax, drug law etc... should end a politician’s career with huge fines and prison time for conspiracy.
This reminds me of Shel Silverstein's portrayal of a pre-libertarian pot-legalizing hippie. "First we pass around a whatchamacallit and get everybody to sign it...."
There needs to be a unified approach to this with actual policy proposals. Slogans really don't accomplish much but to show some support on a sign at a protest for some nebulous idea. They're also usually used by the other side to deliver some straw-man argument like "all lives matter" or "you want to abolish the police."
Here is my proposal:
- End qualified immunity
- Hold police officers personally liable for civil suits. No taxpayer bailouts for suits against the department.
- Make no-knock warrants illegal
- Going after police unions is a non-starter, unfortunate as that might be.
Ultimately there is a real opportunity here for libertarians to reach out to both sides. Ultimately the police supporters and the supporters of police abuse victims recognize one thing (whether they realize it or not). That is, every interaction between police and the public has the opportunity for violence. There is a real opportunity to highlight this point. Limiting the size and scope of the penal code to limit to things that we as a society deem to be appropriate usage of force (violence) is a libertarian concept that I think has some merit in this conversation.
You can't simultaneously say that police are heroes that put their lives on the line every day and say you respect the police if you back them risking their lives for trivial things like the drug war or border enforcement. You can't simultaneously say that you support the victims of police violence and that you want a large nanny state with even more interactions required between police and the public. You can't simultaneously be for fewer police and more laws.
Why? What does policing in my little town have to do with policing in a Democrat-run shithole? Where in the Constitution does the federal government get the power to impose "police reform" on states and local governments?
Nobody is a "hero" for simply being in one or another profession.
Police don't risk their lives for border enforcement; they should, but unfortunately, that's a federal matter. And border enforcement is anything but trivial, it is a necessity.
And pretty much the only drug enforcement they do is against dealers, not users. If they engaged in drug enforcement against users, we wouldn't have so many homeless.
But beyond that, police get hired to do a job and they better do it.
I never said anything about a federal approach. By unified, I mean the political powers that are calling for police reform should have some amount of unification in what they are demanding.
The most vocal groups today, I'm not even sure what they are asking for besides "black lives matter" and "defund the police."
But TFA is about a federal approach.
Those political powers are national. And, again, I don't see why national organizations or "political powers" should have any input on how individual cities run their police departments.
Sorry, but none of your proposals will be possible unless/untill the police unions are eliminated. The unions will oppose all of it.
So how many votes can you deliver in favor of this snippet of 50-year-old LP platform material?
No, it's not. Policing is a local matter.
Or maybe they are engaged in a war for our streets; depends on where you live and how your community functions.
In any case, it's no business of the federal government's.
^exactly^
another very poorly thought out idea. given that there are thousands independent police departments across the country, how exactly will you accomplish your "reform"? have you spent even 10 seconds thinking about it? oh i know, greenhut wants to federalize the police across the country, right? that would be the only way to make this happen. what a complete dumbass.
Federalism has worked out so well for the fallen state once called Mexico.
maybe you should move there.
Sorry, but the time for bipartisan reform is past. The democrats burned that bridge many times over, but this is probably the most extreme example of why it cant and wont be bipartisan.
They took an instance of all black officers, in a city with a huge black population, and high black crime, with democrat leadership all throughout...and still decided to make it about white supremacy.
So fuck right off, I dont care anymore, ill keep my family safe and you can let these areas of high minority crime and homicide rot and burn. They dont WANT reform, they want separation so they can continue to grift and divide people on race.
Fuck em. Eventually minorities will realize these people are using them and are not their friends. Until then, as long as they continue voting in race grifters while not addressing the main underlying problem (black culture), this does not get fixed.
Its long past time these heavy D areas clean up their own room, and until they do, I really dont care to hear shit from them.
Not “black” culture- but taxpayer grifting or “gang” /organized crime culture. There are plenty of white hells angels type shit birds and politicians, see Biden’s new chief of staff, worth 150 million from grifting Medicare and Medicaid.
A sign of generational intellectual dysfunction exists when individuals of a profession, race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, house location are lumped together to include the entire profession, race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, house location. “All cops are bad because some cops do really bad things” is Kayne /Ye West reasoning and logic. But yes, the political machine of democrats the DNC and Memphis need to get involved and reform the policing, obviously. If the community refuses to get involved they don’t care. This has nothing to do with the federal government.
The American west, mining towns specifically, had more violent crime per capita than most cities have today, women could not walk outside. How did the crime go down? town managers would hire cowboys or “cops” to clean up the town. - - The stuff of every decent western.
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All cops enforce drug prohibition so all cops ARE bad.
Looter politicians and their rights-destroying laws necessarily make criminals of cops. This was obvious by 1921, and court records confirm it.
why would the Rulers reform their protection racket?
Because they're hanging from lampposts?
I try to not say the quiet parts out loud, but okay
They are engaged in a war for our streets a war they started with drug prohibition.
After Tyre Nichols Killing, It’s Once Again Time To Build a Bipartisan Movement for Police Reform
Tyre Nichols is dead BECAUSE of leftist police reform.
First; It's not a national matter.
Second; Criminals (Democrats) out-voted principles of Liberty and Justice for all for Gov-Gun Armed-Theft. WTF did they think was going to happen after electing Al'Capone wannabe's to represent them. If you support Democratic treasonous Nazi's expect to end up with a Hitler.
And it’s really the prison and sentencing reform-Soros. If felonies are reduced to misdemeanors why would future public safety officers risk their life or waste their time in one of these stinking leftist shitholes. That’s exactly why real estate prices are soaring in suburbs and rural regions.
So moving Trumpanzees to the inner city ghettos will fix everything? Worth a try....
“Let’s say we happen upon police officers beating a suspect.”
This thought experiment is a non-starter for me. My opinion has always been, “it’s NEVER justified for police officers to beat a suspect.” If we start with the presumption that a police officer might, occasionally, have to kill a suspect in self-defense while trying to arrest him, then the only question should be, “Under what circumstances should a police officer try to arrest a suspect?” It is almost impossible to come up with a scenario where one or more police officers end up beating the suspect! Of course, if you frame the question along “thin blue line” assumptions then and only then can you arrive at a logical point where you ask whether a suspect DESERVES to be beaten. If the police officer has an arrest warrant based upon factual evidence of a crime and reasonable suspicion that the suspect committed the crime, then there are only two possibilities: the suspect allows himself to be arrested (no reason to beat him); or he resists arrest. If, while resisting arrest, the suspect clearly threatens the officer or the public with immediate harm, then and only then does the officer has the responsibility of protecting herself and the public. That may involve use of deadly force but almost NEVER requires “beating” anyone … EVER! There is no reason why police officers cannot wait the occasional insane or intoxicated suspect out if there is no immediate threat of harm to anyone else.
I think much could be done by changing the attitude of prosecutors. When police assault, they should be charged with a crime. There is no qualified immunity for criminal charges. Only reluctance by prosecutors hold it back.
Actually, I think there is an evil conflict of interest that prosecutors and police work as partners so often. I prefer the Navy JAG system. The prosecutor's office and public defender's office are one and the same. One budget. Each prosecutor is assigned alternately to prosecute and defend. That would break the partnership bond between prosecutors and cops.
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Bad title. For 50 years the LP has been a unipartisan campaign for the repeal of those violent laws equivocating vices into crimes and turning cops into muggers and burglars with orders to rob and kill people. Libertarian spoiler votes were the slow attrition that got rid of thousands of such laws--which is precisely why The Kleptocracy and its infiltrators are persistently trying to pervert, wreck and ruin the libertarian party. Movements? For that there's Ex-Lax. Gidaddaheah!
“change the subject by criticizing the resulting protests or riots”
Maybe it’s possible to walk and chew gum at the same time. You can criticize police abuse *and* criticize burning down businesses (often “minority-owned,” for those keeping track of such things).
Using riots against innocent people as a means to protest police abuse is using Beelzebub to cast out Satan. Even assuming (which is doubtful) that police reform is actually the purpose of the rioters.
What happened to Tyre Nichols was unconscionable. But it's far from the norm. Given the sheer number of police-citizen contacts in any given day, the interesting fact is how few of them result in any type of confrontation and how few of those result in any injuries or deaths.
The vast majority of police officers are decent human beings trying to do a difficult job in an honorable manner. Those that aren't up to it, whether by malign intent or lack of aptitude, by all means, need to be weeded out.
But lets not throw out the baby with the bathwater.
As long as bad cops are tolerated, there are no good cops.
Americans will not be allowed to own property so long as government owns violence and suppresses free speech in court.
We are at war. The laws are silent. There are no cops, only enemy combatants.
Maybe this time the Democrat leadership won't kill the reform simply because it had a Republican co-sponsor. It is interesting how Democrats prefer to play politics over doing something helpful for the people they claim to represent. But it is sad that those same people never notice how they're being used.
"Again"
There never was one in the first place.
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