Biden May Dream of 6 More Years, but His Three Closest Comps Never Got There
What we can learn from the State of the Union addresses by Jimmy Carter in 1979, Richard Nixon in 1971, and JFK in 1963

They squeaked into the White House after heavily contested elections. They got through their first midterms without shedding too much congressional blood, despite public anxieties over inflation, big-city crime, and conflict with Moscow. Now, as they prepared to deliver their first post-midterm State of the Union (SOTU) addresses, each had dreams of keeping the world's most powerful job for another six years.
None of those dreams would come true.
John F. Kennedy in 1963, Richard Nixon in 1971, and Jimmy Carter in 1979 are the best comps for where President Joe Biden is at in 2023, as he gears up for another speech in front of a joint session of Congress, reportedly with an eye toward competing for a second term. Their presidencies ended, respectively, in assassination, resignation, and electoral defeat.
We cannot say where Biden's political fates lie, though the preliminary polling numbers even among Democrats are brutal. But we can predict based on his predecessors' SOTUs, and on the president's all-too-lengthy oratorical track record, that tonight will be filled with premature economic bragging, trial-balloon moonshots destined for the dustbin, and lofty rhetoric almost comically untethered to our grubby political realities.
Viewing SOTU speechcraft through a historical lens is a good way to pre-puncture the pomposity, remind ourselves about the impotence of power, and surface some historical echoes relevant to contemporary problems. It's a way to mark the passage of time and maybe even imagine a few libertarian roads not taken. No matter what you hear tonight, February 2023 is not the turning point in the American story, though it may offer some hint as to how Biden's half-century political career will finally come to a close.
Here's a curated look at the State of the Union addresses by Biden's most analogous predecessors:
SOTU: John F. Kennedy, January 14, 1963
Midterm results for the president's political party: -4 in the House, +4 in the Senate. (Democrats had a currently unfathomable 36-seat advantage in the Senate, +82 in the House.
Main theme of the speech: Tax cuts! "One step, above all, is essential—the enactment this year of a substantial reduction and revision in Federal income taxes….We cannot afford to be timid or slow. For this is the most urgent task confronting the Congress in 1963."
Turning point: "I congratulate you all—not merely on your electoral victory but on your selected role in history. For you and I are privileged to serve the great Republic in what could be the most decisive decade in its long history. The choices we make, for good or ill, may well shape the state of the union for generations yet to come."
Inflation at the time: Just 1.2 percent. And yet: "[There are] growing pressures for such restrictive measures as the 35-hour week, which alone could increase hourly labor costs by as much as 14 percent, start a new wage-price spiral of inflation, and undercut our efforts to compete with other nations."
You are better off than you were two years ago: "At home, the recession is behind us. Well over a million more men and women are working today than were working two years ago. The average factory work week is once again more than 40 hours; our industries are turning out more goods than ever before; and more than half of the manufacturing capacity that lay silent and wasted 100 weeks ago is humming with activity."
Premature victory lap: "A settlement, though still precarious, has been reached in Laos. The spearpoint of aggression has been blunted in Vietnam. The end of agony may be in sight in the Congo."
Russkies: "I would counsel caution. I foresee no spectacular reversal in Communist methods or goals. But if all these trends and developments can persuade the Soviet Union to walk the path of peace, then let her know that all free nations will journey with her. But until that choice is made, and until the world can develop a reliable system of international security, the free peoples have no choice but to keep their arms nearby."
Closet libertarian: "It is clear that the forces of diversity are at work inside the Communist camp, despite all the iron disciplines of regimentation and all the iron dogmatisms of ideology. Marx is proven wrong once again: for it is the closed Communist societies, not the free and open societies which carry within themselves the seeds of internal disintegration….As the older colonialism recedes, and the neocolonialism of the Communist powers stands out more starkly than ever, they realize more clearly that the issue in the world struggle is not communism versus capitalism, but coercion versus free choice."
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SOTU: Richard Nixon, January 22, 1971
Midterm results for the president's political party: -12 in the House,+1 in the Senate (Dems still dominated; +10 in the Senate, +75 in the House).
Main theme of the speech: The devolution of federal power to state and local governments.
Turning point: "This 92nd Congress has a chance to be recorded as the greatest Congress in America's history….As we consider these reforms we will be acting, not for the next two years or for the next 10 years, but for the next 100 years."
Inflation at the time: 5.3 percent. "The tide of inflation has turned. The rise in the cost of living, which had been gathering dangerous momentum in the late '60s, was reduced last year. Inflation will be further reduced this year." Inflation indeed kept going down, all the way to 2.7 percent in June 1972…then back to 5.5 percent in May 1973, and 10.9 percent by the time Nixon resigned from office.
You are better off than you were two years ago: "The level of unemployment in this transition from a wartime to a peacetime economy is lower than in any peacetime year of the '60s."
Premature victory lap: "In these troubled years just past, America has been going through a long nightmare of war and division, of crime and inflation. Even more deeply, we have gone through a long, dark night of the American spirit. But now that night is ending. Now we must let our spirits soar again. Now we are ready for the lift of a driving dream."
Ghost of Biden's past: "I will also ask for an appropriation of an extra $100 million to launch an intensive campaign to find a cure for cancer, and I will ask later for whatever additional funds can effectively be used. The time has come in America when the same kind of concentrated effort that split the atom and took man to the moon should be turned toward conquering this dreaded disease. Let us make a total national commitment to achieve this goal."
Closet libertarian: "Let's face it. Most Americans today are simply fed up with government at all levels. They will not—and they should not—continue to tolerate the gap between promise and performance in government….The further away government is from people, the stronger government becomes and the weaker people become. And a nation with a strong government and a weak people is an empty shell….One hundred years ago, Abraham Lincoln stood on a battlefield and spoke of a 'government of the people, by the people, for the people.' Too often since then, we have become a nation of the government, by the government, for the government."
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SOTU: Jimmy Carter, January 23, 1979
Midterm results for the president's political party: -15 in the House, -3 in the Senate (Dems were +17 in the Senate, +120 in the House).
Main theme of the speech: A "new foundation."
Turning point: "The new foundation I've discussed tonight can help us build a nation and a world where every child is nurtured and can look to the future with hope, where the resources now wasted on war can be turned towards meeting human needs, where all people have enough to eat, a decent home, and protection against disease."
Inflation: 9.3 percent. "In our economy, it is a myth that we must choose endlessly between inflation and recession. Together, we build the foundation for a strong economy, with lower inflation, without contriving either a recession with its high unemployment or unworkable, mandatory government controls." Twelve months later, the economy entered into a recession, and inflation stood at 13.9 percent.
You are better off than you were two years ago: "Our economy offers greater prosperity for more of our people than ever before. Real per-capita income and real business profits have risen substantially in the last two years. Farm exports are setting an all-time record each year, and farm income last year, net farm income, was up more than 25 percent….Together, we've already begun to build the foundation for confidence in our economic system. During the last two years, in bringing our economy out of the deepest recession since the 1930s, we've created 7,100,000 new jobs. The unemployment rate has gone down 25 percent."
Premature victory lap: "We have no desire to be the world's policeman. But America does want to be the world's peacemaker. We are building the foundation for truly global cooperation, not only with Western and industrialized nations but with the developing countries as well."
Russkies: "The new foundation of international cooperation that we seek excludes no nation. Cooperation with the Soviet Union serves the cause of peace, for in this nuclear age, world peace must include peace between the superpowers—and it must mean the control of nuclear arms."
Ghost of Biden's past: "This year, we will take our first steps to develop a national health plan."
Closet libertarian: "We must begin to scrutinize the overall effect of regulation in our economy. Through deregulation of the airline industry we've increased profits, cut prices for all Americans, and begun—for one of the few times in the history of our nation—to actually dismantle a major federal bureaucracy. This year, we must begin the effort to reform our regulatory processes for the railroad, bus, and the trucking industries….America has the greatest economic system in the world. Let's reduce government interference and give it a chance to work….We need to enact a sunshine [sunset] law that when government programs have outlived their value, they will automatically be terminated."
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Wasn't that a star trek tos episode?
It's a frequently used device in science fiction.
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"She" would win.
A transitional administration
If your choice was:
Joe Biden
Kamala Harris
Michelle Obama
and you had had had to pick one, I would pick Michelle Obama in a nanosecond.
I’d take sarc over those 3 easily.
That's how you end up with Biden.
The White House would have Colt 45 on tap.
We would also find out The List by checking the FBI’s most wanted webpage.
to be president. Michelle Obama.
If those were the choices, I'd have to quote Michelle to the Gallop Pollsters:
"Turnip For What?"
https://youtu.be/dNi66L6Mvf8
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Biden May Dream of 6 More Years, but His Three Closest Comps Never Got There
Biden would dream of "6 More Years" two years from now.
:)*
His closest comp is stalin
Mussolini.
Nah, I'm pretty sure both of those guys were actually in control and knew what they were doing.
His nearest peer is Chauncey the Gardener/Chauncey Gardener from ‘Being There’.
Paul von Hindenburg?
Wilson after his stroke.
Bernie Lomax from Weekend at Bernie’s
>>from Weekend at Bernie’s
unnecessary
Is Bernie Lomax willing to go along with all the Democrat’s kook leftism? If so, being a corpse shouldn’t be an impediment. This is the party that made Biden and Fetterman their candidates.
Bernie Lomax still votes early, often and blue.
A corpse might even be upping their game.
🙂
SleepyJoe is the reincarnation of Jimmy Carter, sans morality.
Well, history NEVER repeats itself. Those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them, as are those who do not ignore the lessons of history. In politics, economics and history there ARE NO "comps." The prediction that Biden's state of the union address tonight will be verbose, self-congratulatory and wrong on almost every point says "duh!" to me - over and over again. Also, the notion that the world is going to hell in a hand-basket is true; and it has happened repeatedly throughout history, regardless of how much better things are now than they have ever been before.
In the age of “fortified elections”, billionaire-funded non-profits running our elections, and government regulation of misinformation, those precedents are meaningless.
Biden will likely be installed again, legitimately and legally, for another four years no matter what, unless the powers that be select someone else as our leader.
No, I think the "discovery" of his classified documents shows that he's being prepped for exit.
It's not the 'powers that be' which lead to educated suburbanites from places that had voted 'red' since before Nixon abandoning the GOP...
That was the imbecile of a candidate we were running in '20....
It’s not the ‘powers that be’ which lead to educated suburbanites from places that had voted ‘red’ since before Nixon abandoning the GOP…
Those educated suburbanites were Millennials who migrated from the cities as they began aging and having kids. They were always Democrats, they just changed their address.
I'd say demographic change is also largely responsible for a leftward shift in suburbs. (Many immigrants flock to the suburbs because they cannot afford to live in cities).
There's something to that, but what emerges is that they tend to settle in the older suburbs that were built right after World War II, the smaller, 1000-square foot homes that have smaller bedrooms and bathrooms but are a bit cheaper. The more conservative residents are really living in the exurb McMansions now.
Left wing propaganda and misinformation is responsible for at least several percentage points move towards Democrats. This includes the suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story, false accusations of racism and authoritarianism, etc.
Furthermore, the election wasn't decided in suburbs, it was decided in a few key overwhelmingly Democrat districts.
In the age of “fortified elections”, billionaire-funded non-profits running our elections, and government regulation of misinformation, those precedents are meaningless.
I came here to say this.
[emphasis added]
*rising intonation* Just what are you implying?
Yeah. That was a very weird addition to these comps.
"President Biden has tragically passed away from cardiac arrest today. A nation mourns the lifelong public servant who, in his last days, hinted that he had information that would lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton."
JFK comes under the 'fortified election' comp.
+ Thousands of dead Chicagoans voting.
– JFK was shot.
– Nixon was a crook.
– Carter actually had a genuinely bad economy to contend with – not 3.4% unemployment – and faced the most skilled Republican opponent of the post-WWII era, rather than an endless slate of crazy incompetent baboons (Donald Trump, Blake Masters, Mehmet Oz, Doug Maristarno – you know, the morons the GOP loves to nominate these days because it’s primary electorate is out of touch with reality)….
Unless the GOP pulls it’s head out of it’s ass and abandons Trumpisim (and all it’s spinoffs) completely, Biden has a very good chance of being re-elected….
Whoever the 6-figure-earning white-collar suburbanites vote for, wins. That's just life. They used to be Republicans, and if the GOP wants to win elections again outside of Dixie, it needs to win them back.
faced the most skilled Republican opponent of the post-WWII era, rather than an endless slate of crazy incompetent baboons (Donald Trump, Blake Masters, Mehmet Oz, Doug Maristarno – you know, the morons the GOP loves to nominate these days because it’s primary electorate is out of touch with reality)….
Is that why you guys are so terrified of DeSantis?
Who is ‘you guys’? The only person ‘scared of’ DeSantis is Donald.
His culture-war schtick (stomping on Disney’s 1A rights because they dare criticize his administration’s position on gay issues) makes him toxic to the college-educated-wealthy-homeowner demo… And that’s who decides our elections.
Me? I just want to see the GOP go back to something I can vote for again – rather than being the party of conspiracy kooks, isolationists & sex-obsessed culture warriors.
The Bush/Reagan GOP had it right. Whoever decided to let a bunch of retarded Pat Buchannan knockoffs run the show needs to be thrown out the nearest window...
So… go back to neocons and the uniparty?
Sorry, the neocon era of the GOP died when TARP passed.
Meanwhile, DeSantis turned a state that had been the epitome of Election Night dysfunction from 2000-onward, sacked that bitch in Broward County that your boy Jeb installed in the wake of that same 2000 debacle, and made it a solid red state. I can see why someone like that bothers you so much.
I can understand why your wing got so butt-blasted about Trump though--it has to sting that a real-estate carnival barker snatched the party right out of your indolent, decadent fingers. If you're really wanting to go back to the Bush-era shitshow, you might as well start voting Democrat because you're really just a leftist who likes tax cuts and foreign wars.
You do realize that the federal government made a small fortune thanks to TARP, right? All that preferred stock they got from the banks at the bottom of the dip more than paid for the entire thing, when it was sold off post-recovery…
Populist idiots who don’t understand how financial markets work have no business complaining about how they are managed…
Similarly calling the Bush era a 'shitshow' ignores the fact that, but-for a decades-in-the-making clap-back against federal meddling in mortgage markets, what we had pre-Trump is miles better than the shit-show industrial-era economy your kind want to resurrect through massive abuse of federal power.
DeSantis is an opportunistic idiot – Florida is still at the end of the day a playground for people from states with real economic activity…
And the clown doesn’t realize that, as he picks fights with his state’s most important employer over them having the gall to (OMG!) criticize his administration’s social policies… Lese-Mageste! We must retaliate! How un-American.
The fact remains that in the places where Florida’s taxpayers (eg, out-of-state tourists) come from, his culture-war schtick will cost him more votes than it will gain.
There is no ‘silent majority’ out there to be rallied to the polls by the ‘threat’ that homosexuality might be discussed in a public school classroom, or that a private business might allow a drag-show to be performed…
You do realize that the federal government made a small fortune thanks to TARP, right?
So what? I thought you freaks were all about "principles" and the "free market." The free market would have let those banks die naturally, just like you say that cultural marxism should be allowed to take control naturally as long as idiot suburbanites support it.
Populist idiots who don’t understand how financial markets work have no business complaining about how they are managed…
When they're managed fraudulently, everyone has business to complain.
DeSantis is an opportunistic idiot – Florida is still at the end of the day a playground for people from states with real economic activity…
Thanks for conceding the point.
And the clown doesn’t realize that, as he picks fights with his state’s most important employer over them having the gall to (OMG!) criticize his administration’s social policies… Lese-Mageste! We must retaliate! How un-American.
Oh noes, what will Florida do without Disney? There's surely no other tourist activities to do there at all!
The fact remains that in the places where Florida’s taxpayers (eg, out-of-state tourists) come from, his culture-war schtick will cost him more votes than it will gain.
Is that why your leftist allies are so scared of him?
There is no ‘silent majority’ out there to be rallied to the polls by the ‘threat’ that homosexuality might be discussed in a public school classroom, or that a private business might allow a drag-show to be performed…
LOL, sure, that's why you and your leftist allies are constantly trying to deflect that it's not happening out of one sie of your mouth, and then claiming it's actually a good thing that it's happening out of the other.
Your assessment of reality is both delusional and lacking. You just don’t like anyone outside of the beltway bunch. Your kind is in dec,I’ve, and will become extinct in the years to come. And the democrats will be made extinct if they don’t back down soon.
do you realize that desantis won reelection by the largest margin in state history? he's very popular specifically because he's doing the things you're complaining about. seems like the people of florida like his policies.
I suspect a large portion of America would,over his policies. He’s also young and strong. Imagine him in a debate against Biden or Harris. He would destroy them. And probably any other democrat who could realistically run.
Maybe the democrats will have a movement to draft Charlie Crist.
TARP led to a permanent increase in the baseline federal budget, just like the COVID stimulus packages. Which is why both were a bad idea.
And Reason.
If the GOP "abandons Trumpisim completely" it won't have the votes to win .
It doesn’t have the votes to win right now *because of* Trumpism.
All those ex-red country-club-suburban counties that switched Dem starting in 2017? They hold the key to victory….
So it’s a question of who can hold their breath longer – the pissed off always-trumpers, or the never-trump/country-club set….
And in an breath-holding competition between ‘I want my pro-wealth/pro-business/bomb-the-bad-guys party back’ and ‘satanist pedophile Democrat elites are destroying America with gay cooties’…
The folks who *don’t* think America is being destroyed will be able to hold their breath (Eg, tolerate Dem wins) longer….
And in an breath-holding competition between ‘I want my pro-wealth/pro-business/bomb-the-bad-guys party back’ and ‘satanist pedophile Democrat elites are destroying America with gay cooties’…
Yeah, we know you'd sell out your own grandmother for an extra 1% tax cut. It's not like your kind didn't already sell the country out for the last 30 years. The irony is that if your wing actually even bothered with the "fiscal" part of fiscal conservatism, you'd have never gotten the Tea Party insurrection to begin with. Bailing out the banks after they spent years committing securities fraud was an even dumber move than invading Iraq.
Funny how America is greater, and more successful now than it ever was before we supposedly ‘sold it out’….
All of the world’s major CPU manufacturers? American. Operating Systems Software vendors? American Enterprise software vendors? American 1 of 2 large airplane manufacturers? American (the other is EU). All of the worlds’ significant social-media platforms? American The world’s #1 finance hub (NYC)? American Most successful space-launch companies? American Biotech/Pharma? American or European
Yes, we abandoned some low-value labor-intensive industries in the process… But that’s what you do when you are at a financial disadvantage (because our people want too much pay for the work being done) in a given market – you exit the market, and trade for those products.
You can’t run the richest country in the world as if it is populated by 8th-grade educated peasants who will line up to do factory work 12 hours a day 6 days a week.
Time for the old rust-belt/dixieland relics to crack a book & learn to do modern (at a desk, with a computer) work…
P.S. It wasn't the banks committing securities fraud, it was Joe Citizen... Taking out home loans they had no chance of paying back... Lying about income... Then welching on the debt & leaving the banks to clean up what's left....
With a healthy assist from the federal home-loan bureaucracy of course (always more interested in expanding access to credit, than ensuring the loans that were made would be repaid).
Funny how America is greater, and more successful now than it ever was before we supposedly ‘sold it out’….
LOL, by what metric? Being the smartest kid in the special ed class?
You can’t run the richest country in the world as if it is populated by 8th-grade educated peasants who will line up to do factory work 12 hours a day 6 days a week.
No, but you sure can break it down through currency devaluation, fraud, venality, increased bureaucracy, and constant military adventurism. Read some Joseph Tainter if you want to learn what your wing never bothered to study.
Time for the old rust-belt/dixieland relics to crack a book & learn to do modern (at a desk, with a computer) work…
You mean the same tards who are too stupid to even mow their own lawn?
By the metric of dominating all of the critical aspects of the modern economy.
How many countries have a Microsoft, Google, Intel, Qualcomm, AMD, Oracle, IBM/RedHat, Facebook, Boeing, etc?
Most of the world’s office-workers wake up and goes to work using American software running on American-designed CPUs… Making phone calls using American cell-phone software (iOS or Android, take your pick).. Their countries buy American dollars instead of buying gold… Trade stocks on American-owned exchanges...
What exactly did we lose? We import raw steel and aluminum? We pay foreigners to build the computers that use our chip designs & run our software? That’s not a loss.
As for mowing your own lawn, consider how much time it takes to mow 4 acres of grass, bill that out at the hourly equiv of $100-200k/yr – and sorry, but your average upper-middle-class type’s weekend time is worth too much to waste mowing… Better to pay someone else minimum wage to do it for you….
By the metric of dominating all of the critical aspects of the modern economy.
How many countries have a Microsoft, Google, Intel, Qualcomm, AMD, Oracle, IBM/RedHat, Facebook, Boeing, etc?
You really think those companies are irreplaceable?
Most of the world’s office-workers wake up and goes to work using American software running on American-designed CPUs… Making phone calls using American cell-phone software (iOS or Android, take your pick).. Their countries buy American dollars instead of buying gold… Trade stocks on American-owned exchanges…
The neocons failure to realize that people just don't live by bread alone is why they aren't running the GOP anymore.
We pay foreigners to build the computers that use our chip designs & run our software? That’s not a loss.
Uh, you do realize the military's identified those same computers as a potential security threat precisely becuase they're made in China, correct?
As for mowing your own lawn, consider how much time it takes to mow 4 acres of grass,
LOL, the vast majority of homeowners have 1/6 of that or less. What you're posting here isn't even a counter-argument, it's rhetorical handwaving.
Annual federal spending and accumulated national debt are not the metrics you are looking to lead in.
Sounds like they changed your meds at the nursing home, Reverend.
P.S. It wasn’t the banks committing securities fraud, it was Joe Citizen…
LOL, shut the fuck up with that nonsense. The banks literally created the products that led to the collapse and never bothered to verify shit. It wasn't Joe Citizen who created NINJA loans. That was the banks. And then they lied about the value of their securities to get people to invest billions, with the full cooperation of the ratings agencies, knowing the entire time those same MBSs were full of dogshit loans. And then, after committing fraud, they had the gall to demand that taxpayers bail them out for the crimes they committed.
The banks created the products?
Last I checked it was the federal government that invented the mortgage backed security & chartered the companies (Fannie/Freddie) that pioneered creating and selling them...
Also, the federal government was the one that pushed for lowered underwriting standards & the creation of 'sub prime' as a thing...
Once that is done, market forces pretty much mandate private actors utilizing these tools (if they don't, the competition will)...
It was government's fault for making the market, and the citizenry's fault for irresponsible borrowing. The banks were just the middle-men.
The banks created the products?
Last I checked it was the federal government that invented the mortgage backed security & chartered the companies (Fannie/Freddie) that pioneered creating and selling them…
LOL, no. Mortgage back securities existed before Fannie and Freddie, but Lewis Rainieri is the one who developed them. The only thing Fannie did was purchase mortgages, it didn't securitize them.
The mere fact that you knew fuck-all about NINJA loans shows you're just parroting neocon propaganda.
It was government’s fault for making the market
No, it wasn't. The Fed explicitly encouraged the growth of the housing bubble after the dotcom bubble popped (and there had already been an earlier bubble in the 90s that popped as well) via MBSs and crap ARMs, the latter incentivized with massive fees vs. traditional mortgages, which the banks carried out. The government had fuck-all to do with it other than go along for the ride.
Last I heard is that millennials and GenZ aren’t cracking books or looking for desk jobs despite being the most educated generations, and hence why you have baristas and dog walkers with Ivy diplomas. The computer/desk jobs you talk about will soon be eliminated by AI, and those that won’t will be offshored.
These same “Superior Future” workers that he’s lauding are currently being laid off by the thousands because they don’t do any real, actual work. Meanwhile, if you do any sort of blue-collar work, there's no shortage of jobs to pick from.
Then maybe it really is time for a civil war to thin the herd and put an end to all you leftists. It will be painful and ugly, but ultimately preferable to the future your kind are delivering. And let’s be honest, your kind and the democrats will lose such a contest. Horribly.
Funny that you are ignorant enough to believe that what makes someone ‘right’ or ‘left’ is their opinion of Trump.
And only an idiot would think that a civil war would be a positive event… Or that Trumpers could win it…
War is an ugly mess. Trust me, I’ve seen it personally while serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.
It’s not won by a bunch of undisciplined idiots who sit around on the internet think about which one of their 40 different guns is ‘best for’ any given encounter (btw, the answer is 'which ever one your supply section has parts/ammo for', aka 'the same one issued to everyone else')…
Especially when the rebels are despised and reviled by the surrounding civilian population – which is how any armed rebellion would be seen within the USA: ‘How dare you disrupt my peaceful and comfortable civilian life with your stupid and pointless war…. Hey, US Army, they’re over here, please shoot to kill & don’t miss..’
Government forces would utterly obliterate any rebel force trying to fight a civil war. Unfortunately, the process would also likely destroy 100+ years of development and leave the USA looking more like South America than the leader of the free world…
Not something to wish for….
Politely disagree - "government forces" would not obliterate any rebel force trying to fight a civil war. First of all it's highly unlikely that most of our military at any level of the chain of command would back an incompetent, destructive socialist woke Presidential order to attack Americans who opposed unconstitutional Executive orders. Second, almost every time lately that armed Americans have stood up against government thugs, those thugs have backed down. Third, although no American should actually pray for war, sometimes it becomes the only possible response of free people to the "intolerable acts" of government. And finally, the reaction to Biden's veiled threat to nuke Americans illustrated graphically how far out of touch with reality our lords and masters have become.
“It doesn’t have the votes to win right now *because of* Trumpism…”
See what a raging case ot TDS will do to the average pile of shit?
There is nothing 'deranged' about recognizing that the loss of suburban-republican votes post-2016 has cost the GOP the ability to win.
And that the only reason Trump (barely) won the 2016 general election was that Hillary repelled suburban voters more than he did.
So unless they go back to neocons?
You know Trump endorsed 200+ candidates and less than 20 lost right? Often in the areas of those neocons and states that maintained 2020 election changes for 22.
I’m not even pushing Trump. I’d rather him drop out. But the narratives here are insane.
Mcconnel spent more in races that were lost than Trump did.
At least back to Reaganite pro-business/free-trade/anti-regulation sorts.
The votes Trump cost the GOP were only Republicans because it benefited their pocket books. They *despise* culture-warriors, who they see as bigoted imbeciles, think ‘oh, those guys mowing our lawns’ when immigration is discussed, and see outsourcing as the free-market working properly.
A Republican Party that apes the labor-movement-Democrat economic agenda (including the whole 'OMG, they are taking our jobs' immigration nonsense), while doubling down on the bible-thumping-culture-warrior one, has little appeal to anyone who isn’t a blue collar relic.
Reagan also has issues with raising some regulations. He wasn't purely deregulation. You should also see how he responded to international markets. They both utilized a series of retaliatory restrictions for trade. How was trump anti business? Please say lockdowns.
The fact you call pushing back on cultural marxism is bigoted says a lot about your biases.
Reagan may have been the best, but he was not perfect.
His tariff on motorcycles, for example, permanently crippled the US motorcycle industry – handing global dominance to Japanese and German manufacturers while we got stuck with the obselete engine tech, oil leaks and steel frames of ‘Hardly Ableson’…
Oh, Harley is near failing as a business – largely because they never had to learn the lessons that tariff-less competition in the 80s and 90s would have taught. Meanwhile the tariff-subjected foreign companies learned to make 699cc (tariff started at 700) bikes that kicked Harley’s ass 6 ways to Sunday…
Any action that protects domestic firms from competition weakens them – encouraging malinvestment (more money for union bennies, less for R&D) and the production of non-competitive products.
Similar examples can be found in every industry the US has tried to 'protect' - in the end it made our companies weaker and less competitive, often resulting in expensive federal bailouts....
Trump being anti-business entails:
1) Every single tariff. There is never an excuse.
2) His desire to destroy the technology industry out of personal spite & his nonsense view of Sec 230.
3) Acceptance of ‘progressive’ antitrust theories wherein factors other than overcharging consumers may justify antitrust enforcement action
4) His corrupt manipulation of the JEDI cloud-contract, out of spite for how the Washington Post (owned by the founder of Amazon, then the winner of said cloud contract) covered his administration.
The use of government power to ‘push back’ against cultural change that is naturally occurring in the ‘free marketplace of ideas’ is anti-freedom/anti-individual-rights.
Calling it ‘cultural marxism’ does not change this.
Further, if you look at the actual data, it’s less what *I* call it, and more what the 6-figure/with-degree demographic sees it as.
Because that – not the Bible Belt parents freaked out over their kid ‘catching the gay’ in elementary school – is who decides our elections.
You can be a good free-market capitalist and believe that there’s nothing wrong with being gay/trans/whatever… Or that gays are all going to hell…. You can take your kid to ‘drag queen story hour’ or tell them they can’t go to the library that day - and still be a pro-freedom voter in both cases…
In all of these cases, it's none of government’s business…
That is the pro-freedom answer.
The use of government power to ‘push back’ against cultural change that is naturally occurring in the ‘free marketplace of ideas’ is anti-freedom/anti-individual-rights.
It's easy to say that it's "naturally occurring" when your wing completely conceded the battlefield to begin with.
It isn’t supposed to be a ‘battlefield’ – ‘culture’ and ‘morality’ are private matters (Ref: establishment clause, general ‘you have the right to do what you want on your own personal property’ principle), not matters for big government to dictate.
It is not a legitimate role of government to dictate what is and is not culturally acceptable, beyond prohibiting violence against persons, harm/trespass/theft of property, and such activities (recreational drug use comes to mind) that are likely to result in excessive amounts of either of these things.
It is not a legitimate role of government to dictate what is and is not culturally acceptable
France has left the chat...
And how has that worked out for France?
They have riots every time the government talks about people having to work past age 60, or letting employers fire people who deserve it….
Religious freedom? Nope, not in public....
‘Don’t be France’ is probably lesson #1 for a 1st-world capitalist country….
If it isn't legitimate, as a principle, then it doesn't matter who or where that violation exists.
Given your own neo-con-curiousness, I'm not surprised you view the rest of the world the way you do.
Your view of ‘neo con’ – as you call it – ideology is nothing but an amusing left-wing stereotype.
The point of what you call ‘military adventurism’ is to make the world safe for capitalism & profit (kind of hard to do that with 3rd-world religious extremists crashing planes into buildings (AQ/Taliban), shooting up Paris (ISIS), or invading other major oil producers (Pre-91 Iraq) and maintaining 'strategic ambiguity' on the subject of CBRN weapons (post 91 Iraq) in violation of an agreed ceasefire)…
Not to force other countries to operate internally like the United States, or to construct an actual directly-governed empire.
France may be a US ally, but they are an awful example of how to govern a 1st world republic, for ‘lack of economic and individual freedom’ and ‘we enforce cultural French-ness with government power’ reasons.
France may be a US ally
Thanks for admitting that your principles extend to people you like.
It isn’t supposed to be a ‘battlefield’
The fuck are you going on about here? Of course it is.
It is not a legitimate role of government to dictate what is and is not culturally acceptable
Are you ignorant? Governments do it all the fucking time. You really think the abortion laws being passed in various states aren't tied to cultural beliefs? Or that school curriculums aren't influenced by cultural assumptions and norms?
There's no such thing as separate political and cultural spheres. They're expliclitly linked, and have been for millennia, in all societies in various states of complexity.
Fully funded by tax dollars and captured industries supported by federal spending.
so if the culture is devolving into marxism you're ok to just let that happen?
So Marxism is an economic – not cultural – philosophy.
‘Cultural Marxisim’ is an oxymoron.
So long as private property is respected, the state is forbidden from operating business enterprises or otherwise competing with the private-sector, & the free market/profit-motive is directing the economy, it flatly doesn’t matter what people’s sexual mores are…
I don’t care if you are a ‘woke’ or a bible-thumper in your personal life – so long as you are pro-free-market & anti-welfare-state/anti-regulation in your professional/policy life.
That’s what actually matters…
culture informs public policy and leads that policy. so the woke bullshit you see in the culture & corp america today will be the gov policy tomorrow. it's already happening with dei & wokeism in the military. it is a toxic cancer that will destroy the country. if you think otherwise then you're very naive. wokeism and marxism is never about pro-free-market & anti-welfare-state/anti-regulation.
Culture is a private matter. And yes, voters’ personal beliefs shape how they vote – that’s how things are supposed to be.
It is not legitimate to have government try to force people to believe a certain set of things, in order to make them vote a certain way..
If you want to influence culture, then go out and try to ‘save souls’ for your church or whatever. Keep government out of it.
Marxism – very literally – is a purely economic ideology. It has nothing at all to do with sex/culture/race, beyond Marx believing that religion was a tool to distract people from their true economic grievances & prevent them from launching the anti-private-property/anti-educated-white-collar-class revolt was supposed to lead the way to communism. Go read Das Kapital some time if you don’t believe me.
P.S. The idea that there is a problem with a ‘woke military’ has been made up by yellow-bellied idiots like Tucker Carlson, who have never spent a day in uniform. 20 years of war, and the ‘Manly Men’ of terrified-of-wokisim-world spent a collective ZERO days serving America in combat.
Pure ignorance. Lol.
Just ignore all of the politics and use of state resources pushing this shit.
It is not legitimate to have government try to force people to believe a certain set of things, in order to make them vote a certain way..
Thanks for admitting that universities are illegitimate and need to be obliterated.
Marxism – very literally – is a purely economic ideology. It has nothing at all to do with sex/culture/race, beyond Marx believing that religion was a tool to distract people from their true economic grievances & prevent them from launching the anti-private-property/anti-educated-white-collar-class revolt was supposed to lead the way to communism. Go read Das Kapital some time if you don’t believe me.
LOL, yes, the evolution of marxist thought never changed at all past the Russian Revolution. Get the fuck out of here with that historical ignorance.
Are you fully ignorant to government involvement and its use of money and power pushing cultural marxism?
So Marxism is an economic – not cultural – philosophy.
‘Cultural Marxisim’ is an oxymoron.
What's fucking hilarious here is that you're saying the exact same thing the cultural marxists have. "Oh, marxism is dead!" "The marxism that failed wasn't real marxism!" They all share the same philosophical construct of the oppressed/oppressor duality, historic determinism, and hermetic goal of taking over the oppressor's structure and becoming the oppressor themselves.
So long as private property is respected, the state is forbidden from operating business enterprises or otherwise competing with the private-sector, & the free market/profit-motive is directing the economy, it flatly doesn’t matter what people’s sexual mores are…
Jack Phillips would like to have a word with you.
I don’t care if you are a ‘woke’ or a bible-thumper in your personal life – so long as you are pro-free-market & anti-welfare-state/anti-regulation in your professional/policy life.
If you had any actual political power, this might apply. But you don't, so it doesn't.
I mean I can take one state, Washington, and show him the amount of funds issued to reaourxe groups dominated by leftist organizations who donate and campaign for democrats under the guise of homeless programs.
Dave is ignorant.
Yawn. Marxism is by definition economic. And a lot older than the Russian Revolution (Which was the birth of the sub-variant known as *Leninism* (5-year plans, etc), you ignorant dolt).
Marxism posits a specific idea, namely that the abolition of private property, and creation of a “working-class dictatorship” as a caretaker regime that will eventually evolve into ‘pure communism’…
If something does not follow that outline, it is not Marxist. It may be leftist, but it is not Marxist.
The idea that ‘civil rights act’ is somehow Marxist, is flatly nuts – regardless of whether said law protects sexual orientation (Colorado) or just sticks to race/religion/sex/national-origin/veteran-status (the federal version from 1965)…
Yawn. Marxism is by definition economic. And a lot older than the Russian Revolution (Which was the birth of the sub-variant known as *Leninism* (5-year plans, etc), you ignorant dolt).
No shit it's older than Lenin, you obtuse moron. There's a reason guys like Marcuse were called neo-marxists, and why CRT is rooted in the same philosophical assumptions--because they're rooted in the marxists realizing what you're too dim to even grasp, that culture is what drives society, not economic concerns. It's just marxism in different clothes, which you'd realize if you actually read a book beyond high school.
Marxism posits a specific idea, namely that the abolition of private property, and creation of a “working-class dictatorship” as a caretaker regime that will eventually evolve into ‘pure communism’…
Precisely. Except now "private property" is "whiteness." Same concept, different target, same ultimate goal.
If something does not follow that outline, it is not Marxist. It may be leftist, but it is not Marxist.
It's the same construct. You're just being pedantic because you're ignorant.
The idea that ‘civil rights act’ is somehow Marxist, is flatly nuts – regardless of whether said law protects sexual orientation (Colorado) or just sticks to race/religion/sex/national-origin/veteran-status (the federal version from 1965)…
More rhetorical handwaving.
Economics deals with things which aren't necessarily tied to "money". Hence Marxism deals with things which aren't necessarily tied to "money" as well. Cultural Marxism is a very real subset if Marxism, with the same retarded and subversive premises (such as in any transaction between two parties, one is the oppressor and the other is the oppressed, since there cannot be a mutually beneficial transaction; before the emphasis was on how the employer oppresses the employee, now it's the penis possessor oppressing the vagina possessor, or whitey oppressing people of color).
I repeat. Your defense of cultural marxism as biased says a lot about you. Tens of millions on university products to create the teachers in public schools is not naturally occurring. That would be like saying Maos revolution was natural despite the emerge state based pressure from government in pushing his cultural revolution. Biden pushing ESG, working with social media to censor, funding marxist factories, funding them through government grants.
The bullshit you spew is amazing.
How does this jumbled grand conspiracy theory about 'university products' 'social media censorship' and 'public school teachers' square itself with the actual timeline??
You really think that Anthony Kennedy, John Roberts & Neil Gorsuch were somehow brainwashed by a left-wing conspiracy?
Or maybe freedom & free will are a good thing, and government should generally butt out of anything sex-related that is done with consent (save for a general prohibition on orientation/identity/religious discrimination in commercial affairs)???
And maybe choices have consequences... Including getting banned from privately owned social media websites (so long as the ban isn't based on race/religion/sex/etc)...
It's not in any sense Marxist...
How many of those ‘200 candidates’ were running in single-party-Republican states?
And perhaps you missed the massive wipeout of Republicans in 2018, due to suburbanites switching parties, where high-income state-leg/congressional districts that had been ‘red’ since the 60s or even since WWII suddenly went Blue…
Or the huge increase in split-ticket voting (Biden for President, Republican for Senate) in 2020.
Trump has been a disaster for the GOP. His agenda was never popular with a large enough segment of the population to win even in 2016, he just was lucky to (a) only need 30% of the popular vote to win the GOP primary because of the insane number of candidates, and (b) run against the only person in US politics less competent than himself.
Again, ‘my side’ can hold our breath (let the Dems win) longer than yours can.
We will have our free-trade/free-markets party back.
And eventually all the bitter blue-collar relics will die, being replaced by college-educated winners or door-dashing/box-packing Democrat-voting losers because nobody in America under 40 wants to do factory work anymore and absolutely nobody will do it for the $1/day it’s worth….
Best for the GOP to be the party of wealth & education again, vice the party of the bitter asshats on tariff-welfare....
Again, ‘my side’ can hold our breath (let the Dems win) longer than yours can.
We will have our free-trade/free-markets party back.
This is really one of the dumbest things a neocon has ever said, right after "we'll be greeted as liberators."
The people that lost the 2020 election, who think Joe Biden is 'the worst President ever' (James Buchannan and Andrew Jackson would beg to differ) and is 'Destroying America' are somehow going to maintain power within the GOP through constant, uninterrupted losing....
Longer than the people who switched parties are going to be willing to vote for Biden-type bland Democrats?
Somehow I don't think so.....
The people that lost the 2020 election, who think Joe Biden is ‘the worst President ever’ (James Buchannan and Andrew Jackson would beg to differ) and is ‘Destroying America’ are somehow going to maintain power within the GOP through constant, uninterrupted losing….
Is that why you get so worked up when these people challenge the left in the one war you didn't want to send others to fight?
More leftist 'send others to fight' nonsense...
I suppose 'others' were on the 50cal for my last firefight in Afghanistan. Oh wait...
What I want, is for the Russians to lose the Ukraine war, and China to be thus deterred from invading Taiwan. Basic US national interest, for anyone who actually understands this sort of thing (which Trumpers - obsessed with the MX border - do not)...
I would rather we have done it ourselves, but that not being an option arming Ukraine so they can defend their freedom is the next best thing.....
More leftist ‘send others to fight’ nonsense…
I suppose ‘others’ were on the 50cal for my last firefight in Afghanistan. Oh wait…
We're talking real life, not Call of Duty.
What I want, is for the Russians to lose the Ukraine war, and China to be thus deterred from invading Taiwan. Basic US national interest, for anyone who actually understands this sort of thing (which Trumpers – obsessed with the MX border – do not)…
Bitch, China can't even be deterred from sending fucking surveillance balloons over the border or hacking OPM data.
I would rather we have done it ourselves, but that not being an option arming Ukraine so they can defend their freedom is the next best thing…..
Yes, there's nothing a neocon loves more than sending others into harms way.
Also, thanks for conceding the point that you're too much of a bitch to fight the one war that actually matters.
I’m talking real life, as in I served in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Get my 20 year letter (reserve component retirement eligibility) next year…
I’m guessing you’ve never worn the uniform other than maybe on Halloween, Mr ‘Super Patriot’….
China sending surveillance balloons is NBD to anyone with actual knowledge of history. We sent thousands over the USSR from 1945-1991… They shot down maybe half…. No war resulted from that… Also spy satellites, airplanes, and so on… Espionage is a normal part of international relations….
Your ‘one war that actually matters’ thing is also more ignorant crap… As is your reason for thinking it matters…
The best way to deal with the Chinese is to maintain conditions under which they are not actually willing to fight us…. Ukraine goes a long way in that direction.
"And eventually all the bitter blue-collar relics will die, being replaced by college-educated winners"
You mean gender studies grades who work as baristas? Are those the winners you are talking about?
They are better than electricians, mechanics, or carpenters?
Thanks, Kirkland. You outed yourself.
No, I mean engineers, ‘hard’ scientists, finance majors, MBAs, and so on…
People who *like money* don’t major in ‘protest studies’ or any of that other nonsense… The overwhelming majority of college grads are NOT in the humanities/liberal-arts.
And yes, such people are better for our national economy than tradesmen & manual laborers.
When’s the last time a carpenter invented a groundbreaking new technology? It’s better to be the inventors, designers, financiers & salespeople, than the ‘doesn’t know what an exponent is’ crowd being paid to actually make the stuff (who are best located in a 3rd world country with a dirt-cheap per-capita income, not the USA)…
When the shtf, code won't matter.
If ‘shtf’ you will die starving in the dark anyway, no matter how ‘prepared’ you think you are…
The only ‘winners’ there are the warlords/gangs who will have the expendable manpower to strip you of your ‘preparations’ by force….
The point of civilization is to keep shit and fan separate…. It is perhaps the most important thing any government is tasked with....
Except that rebuilders will not include the theoretically skilled, only the practical.
But your elitism will be resented before, during, and after.
Keep up with your apocalyptic fantasy.
Have you ever been to a country where ‘tshtf’? Probably not… I have.
The view from the guard tower, gunner's hatch or on foot-patrol (looking out into the wreckage of someone else’s country) is enough to convince you that no-matter-the-cost it must not be allowed to happen inside the USA….
So that’s the answer: We prevent it from happening… And thus theoretical skills stay dominant….
Have you ever been to a country where ‘tshtf’?
Fundamentally irrelevant, eventually it will happen.
Ain’t going to be a SHTF (at least not the sort you are thinking of – eventually the sun will consume the earth, but..) & you wouldn’t survive it anyway…
We are talking about an event so intolerable that literally any amount of death is worth inflicting, and any amount of wealth worth expending – to prevent it. A Warhammer 40k style ‘grimdark’ future is a big fat NO.
Especially one that knocks us back to a pre-code/pre-technological hell….
As for 'theoretical' vs 'practical'... Theory always wins over time...
If nobody is left who knows how to make Hogdon IMR, or operate the CNC machines that make 5.56 primers, projos & cases, your AR15s are kind of useless.
None of those awesome programmers you're going on about can even change a tire, much less operate factory machinery.
None of those factory workers can design even the smallest part of what they are paid to work. Let alone write the firmware that makes it go...
You can find factory help in any country on the planet... But very few can design/invent/code better than Americans...
Which is why we invent it, and they build it for us...
As for changing a tire, there's a difference between 'cant' and 'would rather pay someone else to do it'....
I “operate (and program) the CNC machines that make” a lot of shit.
So, is that some kind of overlap between your white collar betters and the factory riff raff that belong “in 3rd world countries”?
Ever seen an engineer try to make good parts on a CNC machine? I have. And you’re an idiot, Dave.
I haven't seen many Americans at major US universities who are involved in STEM, especially at the doctoral and postdoctoral level. It's almost entirely foreigners (including from developed countries, since the grants tend to be better in the US).
graduates not grades
Was about to write the same thing. The unmistakable stink of Kirkland is all over this sock.
Another ignoramus who actually thinks most college grads are professional protestors who pour drinks...
I get it now. Youre a barista with a college degree. Lol.
Fortune 100 IT engineer...
How many baristas do you know have 2 airplane hangars in their front yard...
"nobody in america under 40 wants to do factory work anymore" -- let me correct that for you "nobody in america under 40 wants to
work anymore". the younger generations are demonstrably lazy. we have a lowest labor participation rate in many decades because of exactly this. these people have no work ethic or self respect.
The low labor force participation rate is not due to ‘the younger generation not working’ – it’s due to the Boomers finally retiring.
This is very obvious when you break that labor force data out by age.
Plenty of work ethic out there – you just see it behind desks & logged in thru VPNs from home (not because of 'fear' but because commuting is pointless), among folks with degrees sitting in front of computers…
That’s the modern economy, as the free-market has made it…
wrong. they are totally working from home because of fear. these people fear their own shadow. they're worthless employees.
Yeah, the time wasted sitting in traffic (in my case, bad enough that it was a better use-of-time to fire up a light plane and literally fly from my back yard to my office (perks of working for an employer with a runway across the street), than to drive) has nothing to do with it..
Nor does the fact that the actual work (server admin/systems engineering) is just as ‘remote’ when done from the office as it is from-home and involves zero face-to-face human interaction..
Gotta be about ‘fear’ of a virus more-or-less safe from (and that no one in my family has had), thanks to the wonders of modern technology…
then move. i always lived within 5 miles of where i worked so i had no commute. this is called planning your life. the fact that you live so far away tells me you never considered the consequences of your decisions. typical.
Why should I move?
5 miles of Corporate HQ = have to live in a fishbowl-condo in ‘downtown blue-ville’… Private airstrip out back & neighbors with back-yard shooting ranges is a much better fit…
My prior employer allowed hybrid-remote work before COVID…
COVID just proved that the 3-days-a-week onsite we did beforehand were a waste of money/time…. ‘Remote unless hardware breaks’ is now the norm for tech staff, unless you work with classified material (unlike presidential types from either party, we can’t take that home).
My current employer included full-time-remote as part of the terms-of-employment at hiring – the whole team has the same terms. If they hadn’t I would have turned down their offer & stayed with the previous one…
you're making my point. you chose to live where you do which caused you to have a long commute. life is full of tradeoffs. in your case you obviously like commuting based on your decisions. so quit bitching about it -- it's simple a consequence of your choices.
They put in enough work to end up on my lawn.
If McConnell (and his shitweasel cronies like Romney, etc) knew his place and did not betray his party, it really would have been a red wave.
Fortunately, McConnell is about to 81 this month, so his days are numbered. Let’s hope his health sidelines him sooner than later. The others can then be more easily driven from office.
There is no world where the idiots who lost were electable.
The betrayal was on the part of folks who actually thought nominating them was a good idea...
Seriously? Memhet Oz? Blake Masters? Herschel Walker?
Carter was a naive idiot.
Whoever the 6-figure-earning white-collar suburbanites vote for, wins. That’s just life. They used to be Republicans,
No, they've ALWAYS been Democrats.
You must have been born in a year that starts with ‘2’ if you believe that.
Historically, the Republican party has been dominant among college-educated voters. The further back from 2016 you go, the stronger the association.
We were 'the party of the rich' and all - not a bunch of wealth-hating conspiracy kooks.
It was even called an ‘unfair advantage’ by the Dems in the Obama years (despite the fact they were already making gains), because those college-educated suburbanites have the highest propensity to show up for mid-term elections of any US demographic.
The phenomena of the educated folks switching sides has directly correlated to the ascendancy of culture-warriors on the right….
And all for what? It’s not like the culture-warrior/blue-collar demo is getting bigger? Nope, it’s dying off without replacement.
Many conspiracies turn out to be real……
The bottom line is that you and your kind had your time. You failed. Just like the democrats. Time for you all to go. And I don’t really give shit if you ride out of town on your horse, or are slung over the back of it.
Yawn... You're probably still looking for the bamboo in Arizona's ballots, or thinking that Gardasil makes 12yo girls autistic...
We made the US the world’s most dominant economic and military power…
How is that failure?
Just because we didn’t betray our ideology & have government carve-out a nice cushy spot in the economy for the relics of the industrial era?
That’s not failure, that’s the free market working….
Historically, the Republican party has been dominant among college-educated voters. The further back from 2016 you go, the stronger the association.
Historically, the reason for that was because college graduates, up until the New Left started taking over the universities, were white collar, low-risk-averse demographics who were far less prone to labor agitation than blue-collar workers. Marcuse and the New Left explicitly identified that they needed to form an alliance of college-educated whites and what he called the "ghetto populations" in order to take down capitalism. About 50 years later, nearly every college professor votes Democrat and is radical left in their politics, due in no small part to the gatekeeping starting in the 1990s when they took over the hiring committees.
The phenomena of the educated folks switching sides has directly correlated to the ascendancy of culture-warriors on the right….
No, it's directly correlated to Dubya's presidency, particularly after the invasion of the Iraq.
Hardly.
The GOP still held the college-educated-voter edge in the Obama years.
Plenty was written about it - specifically how it was supposedly 'unfair' to elect governors in midterm years, when the Republican college-educated folks would turn out but the Dem's working-class coalition wouldn't...
Then, the GOP nominated a NYC moron & the exodus happened...
Hardly. The GOP still held the college-educated-voter edge in the Obama years.
No, they didn’t. They barely held serve as far back as the early 90s. Pew found that the switch happened in 2004, and fully diverged in 2010. Gee, I wonder what happened prior to 2004 that would have caused that switch to happen?
Plenty was written about it – specifically how it was supposedly ‘unfair’ to elect governors in midterm years, when the Republican college-educated folks would turn out but the Dem’s working-class coalition wouldn’t…
Yeah, a lot of people used 20th-century talking points during 21st century elections, just like you are here.
Yawn...
The '20th century' nonsense ignores that all your supposed 'realignment' has done, is render the GOP completely non-competitive on the national stage...
Where exactly are you going to get the votes from to make this nonsense work? Keep importing leftists from the Dems??? Immigration?? - oh wait, nope...
You have an ideology without a workable coalition behind it, to which you respond by making your coalition... Smaller... And more batshit crazy (The vaccine stuff)....
And you deserve to lose because of that...
I wish you'd abandon the unnecessary apostrophes.
My comment was in response to Dave A at the beginning of this thread:
"Unless the GOP pulls it’s head out of it’s ass and abandons Trumpisim (and all it’s spinoffs) completely,"
>>John F. Kennedy in 1963, Richard Nixon in 1971, and Jimmy Carter in 1979
so for Brandon it's a CIA bullet, an FBI setup, or a landslide loss to a failed actor ... McConaghey?
Tucker Carlson wants the idiot ball back...
- It was Castro not the CIA who was behind Kennedy's assassination (and yes, LHO was the only shooter)...
- Nixon wasn't set up, he legitimately got caught doing what he did. G Gordon Liddy said as much...
- That 'failed actor' was far better at politics than anyone else of his time... And had been a sitting governor...
I still have a poster with Reagan's head on Stallone's body - Ronbo!
Reagan was considered an extremist cowboy, even by the GOPe at the time. They ran John Anderson to torpedo his run. They stuck George Bush, establishment down to his wingtips as his VP. When he took over it didn't take long to try to overturn whatever accomplishments Reagan made.
You have a much stronger grasp on the idiot ball than Tucker.
Well, what with the fences going up and the street closures around the Capital, we won’t have to worry about another assault on democracy, except from inside the building.
Meh, democracy is overrated anyway.
The case against Biden isn't one of the nutty QAnon bullshit accusations like Big Guy 10% or Hunter's dick pics - it is that he is noticeably feeble and decrepit.
The GOP has a lay-up. Anyone but Fatass Donnie.
Fatass Donnie & his Florida Knockoff are the leading options...
And we haven't seen the freak-show that will be running for Senate, House, and state governorships yet....
i'm not sure it's the layup you think it is. if fetterwoman can get elected then we have proof that anything is possible. democrats are now willing to elect the mentally retarded so they can put pretty much anyone up for president and win.
Fetterman would have lost against a competent Republican candidate. Fortunately for him, he was running against Memhet Oz – an Oprah guest-star who used to be a decent doctor, until he discovered that surgery doesn’t pay as well as telling old women they can avoid cancer and cure viruses by eating exotic veggies….
And who’s sole reason for being on the GOP ticket was his, um, skepticism... towards vaccination… Oh, and Orange Monkey's endorsement...
After all, Fetterman will recover from his stroke to some extent.. But Oz will always be an idiot and a fraud.
man you really are stupid. fetterman is objectively a fucking retard. and no he won't recover. so sane person votes for a retard. the challenger doesn't matter when the guy you're voting for is a retard.
Fetterman is a stroke victim, not someone born disabled.
Some people get better after a stroke, with therapy & treatment. Others don’t. You just don’t know… You also don’t know what his actual mental capacity is (given a keyboard to communicate with, vice standing on a debate stage) based on how he expresses himself on TV.
Nobody ‘gets better’ from being what Oz is – a crook/fraud/con-man selling bullshit ‘natural cures’ on daytime TV.
the fact that you're willing to defend fetterman tells me everything i need to know about you. you're a democrat leftist and probably retarded like fetterman. and i never said he was born disabled, i said he's a retard -- not necessarily the same thing.
You said he was a retard - clearly a reference to his stroke.
I'm merely pointing out that some stroke victims improve over time - and that saying he's permanently unfit to serve may not in fact be true. Time will tell.
It's not that I agree with Mr Fetterman's politics.
It's that 'actions have consequences' and Fetterman winning is a suitable consequence inflicted upon the PA GOP for nominating Oz and Maristrano (sp?).
Many commentors here thought Herschel Walker was a political savant.
These are paleo-conservatives that I reference.
Dr. Oz was an accomplished heart surgeon and a polished media personality. If he couldn't win against an opponent who had trouble finishing a sentence, it may not have mattered who Team Red ran.
Oz was a Muslim, which maybe didn’t help him electorally. But I concede, I doubt even a GOP good ole’s boy riding on a bald eagle holding a firearm in one hand and the flag in the other would have had much of a chance to win in Pennsylvania, where the vote counters lean Democrat.
Nutball nonsense. There is a clear nationwide pattern – Trump people get skunked, normal Republicans (ala Brian Kemp) win…
Nobody cheats that selectively.
PA just had trash candidates for both Gov and Senate.
In states where it was split, the vote split too - with the Trumpy candidate getting beat.
Dr Oz stopped being an accomplished heart surgeon, and became a Daytime TV quwack who pushed 'change your diet' as the ultimate solution to every medical problem...
Nominated solely for his COVID-vaccine-skepticism, which is a tiny-minority viewpoint among the general electorate.
The 'media personality' part becomes harmful, if what you do in the media is more or less lie to people about medical stuff the whole time you are on....
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
So you're back to using this sock, Shrike, instead of the "Shrike" one?
GOP was caught flat footed when Roe was overturned ending their red wave hopes. They'll do the same thing when they overturn affirmative action. Trump will then announce he's for some of it, maybe part of it, but not all of it but he will fix whatever is wrong with it or improve whatever is right with it in 60 days.
In other words, if Biden maintains current health status, he will defeat Trump. Have no clue why JFK (shot?) and Nixon's character flaws bear any relation to this; Biden has opened the borders to finish off America - that's what the voters want to hear- not some guy in a sweater telling us to turn down the thermostat.
The loss of the red wave had nothing to do with Roe and everything to do with the complete trash who were nominated as candidates...
When you have an anti-vax TV quack (Oz), a guy who thinks the 'US should have left Nazi Germany alone' (Masters), someone who actually calls himself a Christian Nationalist rather than just having the lib media do it (Maristrano), and a guy who wants to 'decertify' the 2020 election (Michaels, WI Gov)... Oh, and a complete toadie with a history of domestic violence who pays his misteresses to get abortions.... Plus many more like that...
You're gonna get skunked....
Meh, who counts the vote is far more important than who the candidates are.
So are the guys, who create millions of votes to be counted.
Not actually possible to 'create millions of votes'...
Just an excuse losers use to justify how they got beat by a senile old man, or a stroke victim...
Only if you are an addle-brained conspiracy nut.
Funny how Brian Kemp had no problem getting re-elected...
Or do Democrats *only* activate their nefarious cheating machine when the candidate is a Trump butt-kisser?
So, Dave, this is just a WAG, but I'd bet you're shilling for Bill Kristol or his ilk.
Is Dave a Shrike sock?
Compensated troll.
More of a Joe Friday sock, look at all his accomplishments.
Is Dave a Shrike sock?
Not me, just another observer of what utter trash Donnie is.
Compared to lying about the time you got your original Sarah Palin's Buttplug account banned for posting dark web links to hardcore child pornography this is a fairly innocuous lie, but have you ever considered maybe, you know, just not being a lying piece of shit?
CHUD, yes Dave A is a Pluggo sock.
Yes, one of his older ones. He's been busting them all out lately hoping that most of the old guard who abandoned this shit hole won't be here to remember and point it out.
So maybe people posting on reason.com should be expected to believe in free trade and free markets – as opposed to ‘Government raise taxes to save Bubba the bolt-tightener’s job from the Chinese & Mexicans (really, from the robots - but Trumpers have a weak grasp on reality)’…
George W Bush was a better libertarian than Donald Trump – and W wasn’t by any means a good libertarian.
And FWIW, the kind of candidate we ‘need’ is Brian Kemp or Nikki Haley… Not any of the ‘Southern Avenger’ morons or Trump knockoffs who are likely to win a primary…
Which is why the GOP will keep losing until it puts the culture-war crowd & the ex-blue-collar-dems at the back of the bus…
You don’t win by being the party of the biggest-losers.
>>Nikki Haley
refill the swamp!
There is no 'swamp'..
Just a bunch of ignorant idiots mad about things they are incapable of comprehending....
Yay, let's stop drug trafficking by cartels that dig tunnels and build submarines with... A WALL!
is this a response to the awfulness of Nikki Haley?
What 'awfulness'?
She seems to be on the right side of every issue she's weighed in on...
Awful, because as Tucker Carlson reminded everyone last week Haley is no true conservative because she actively worked to remove Confederate statues as SC Governor.
Yes yes, the true test of conservatism is one's fealty to long-dead traitors.
If you didn't use exactly the same phrases and slogans on every single one of your socks you'd have an easier time not getting them called out within 5 posts, shreek.
If you actually had a functioning brain, you'd actually post a cogent argument rather than running around insulting people like a tantruming-6yo
Israel built walls and they have worked wonders in reducing Palestinian attacks. The American regime built temporary walls around the Capitol and it protected the building from any attack really well. The Soviets built a wall in Berlin and it really reduced the number if defections to the free world. Don't knock the efficacy of walls.
George W Bush was a better libertarian than Donald Trump
Ok, this goes beyond parody, this is religion disguised as politics.
You conveniently cut off the ‘and George W Bush was no libertarian’ part of that comment…
Trump is a 60s ‘big labor’ Democrat, with a side of ‘govt-mandated social conservatism for thee, libertine excess for me’ nonsense tacked on…
There is absolutely nothing libertarian about anything he ran on, save for the dictator-ass-kissing foreign policy (Which is the worst part of the libertarian platform)….
You conveniently cut off the ‘and George W Bush was no libertarian’ part of that comment…
Because it's irrelevant and not disputed.
Fucking comparing the two in terms of their record can only lead to Trump being more libertarian unless you really do view profiting off of slave labor as "free market".
‘Slave labor’ is not relevant to this discussion.
The US per-capita income (and by definition, ‘middle class’ wage) is $70k+/yr.
By definition, nations where the PCI is $39k (Taiwan), 47k (South Korea), 19k (PRC), 11K (Vietnam), or $7k/yr (India) should have a competitive edge when bidding for work all of the above countries workers can do.
The conservative/libertarian answer to this is, in most cases, to NOT compete in such markets – rather to BUY from them, using money earned from economic activities only a $70k/yr PCI economy can do (most of which are done at a desk & require BS/MS level education)….
Folks who call exploiting such comparative-advantage ‘slave labor’ and demand government intervention against it are ‘libs’ or ‘progs’… Even if they wrap themselves in the US flag and call themselves ‘nationalists’ or ‘populists’.
P.S. Even if you prohibit products made with PRC prison-labor, their compensated workforce still comes out far ahead of trade-union blighted US manufacturing for cost.... There's also Mexico, Vietnam, Thailand, South Korea, Taiwan, Bangladesh, India, and so on...
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Jesus Christ shreek, it took you 200 words just to incorrectly define labor price arbitrage and comparative advantage. You should see about getting a refund on that Dog Dick Community College AA.
Oh, before you make some 2-digit-tuckerhead-IQ reply about ‘Gender Studies’… To the 70k/BS/MS comment…
‘Gender Studies’ is a BA not a BS… And not in any sense what I am talking about when I mention comparative-advantage & white collar work…
If anything the ‘identity studies’ types bring the US per-capita income *down*…. They are also far-from-representative of the educated US workforce.
There are no legal or industry standards defining a Bachelor of Arts vs. a Bachelor of Science, shreek. It's entirely arbitrary and up to the institution based on the emphasis of their curricula. Even if we used your non-standard definition and conflated "BS" with "STEM" the number of graduates in non-STEM fields dwarfs the number of graduates in STEM fields AND the majority of STEM graduates do not go to work in STEM fields because the industry is so crowded with third world H1Bs. Stick to posting child porn and leave discussions about college education to people who have one.
Yawn...
I'll believe you have a degree about-never... Sex-obsessed moron who thinks everyone who disagrees with him is a Pedo...
Here's a thought:
While the hard-science fields may be a minority, the scope of people who major in profitable fields is far greater than the number who major in 'never gonna leave campus ever' humanities...
The H1B thing is complete bullshit, made up by clueless idiots trying to create some sort of tie between the white-collar world and their pointless immigration grievances. Further, such firms that do use H1Bs use them for the tech equivalent of tightening bolts - they aren't displacing US citizens, no matter what the Know Nothing crowd claims...
The reality is that even with layoffs from the 'tech industry' there are more IT/software jobs *for Americans* than there are people willing to do those jobs. Everybody competent who got laid off from FB, Microsoft, Google, etc got snapped up by non-tech firms looking to boost their software/IT bench, because all business is tech business these days (Even physical security needs a dedicated IT team for the cameras, card-readers & so on)...
You don’t win by being the party of the biggest-losers.
You mean like you guys won Iraq and Afghanistan?
Oh, that's right, you fucked those up, too.
Iraq today meets every single one of the military and political objectives set out in 2003 (Democratic government, no WMD, no threats to neighbors, no longer paying bounties to Pali suicide bombers). So yeah, it took a while but we won.
Afghanistan? Dumbass Donnie stabbed that one in the back by negotiating our surrender to the Taliban. Biden gets no points for implementing that stupidity, but it was Trump who negotiated it in the first place.
Kevin Williamson, actually.
‘Slave labor’ is not relevant to this discussion.
Who do actually think is making your cheap shit?
Their middle class? Get the fuck out out of here. The entire point of outsourcing is to pay as little as possible for the same labor. Those workers are absolutely closer to slaves than free market wages.
The free market wage for an activity is the lowest wage that will attract willing, voluntary labor.
If the middle class wage in China is 19/70ths of what it is in the United States, then the market minimum wage in China is logically proportional (or lower).
Even if we had a no-communist-countries rule, we could (and should) still achieve similar arbitrage by outsourcing to the lowest-wage country who’s workforce can deliver the goods. India, for example, has a lower PCI than China and is not Communist.
The benefit to the United States, in addition to having access to cheaper goods, is that the American workforce does not have the option to do that work – and thus US workers must invest time/energy/money in upskilling to compete for the more difficult jobs found in our economy post-outsourcing (or suffer poverty, which is a legit consequence for not-trying-hard-enough).
You try harder to swim when the water is too deep to stand up in…
An America with more engineers and less bubba-the-bolt-tighteners is logically stronger than one with less engineers & more union-label factory slugs....
Your lectures on education would be more persuasive if you could figure out the difference between contractions and possessive cases, shreek.
Also it turns out that since IQ is distributed across a bell curve across all populations and countries, comparative advantage doesn't result in nations full of single-occupation-specialized white-collar ubermenschen and blue-collar untermenschen. The examples in the Wikipedia article executive summary on Ricardian comparative advantage using bushels of apples and bushels of grain are deliberately simplified to make the concept easily comprehensible at an elementary level. You're not expected to stay there and use those as the basis of international industrial policy. When Bubba the bolt tightener isn't there to drive the truck the delivers the food to the grocery store where you spend your SNAP benefits buying Snickers bars to entice 8 year old little boys from the school yard into your van, you can't replace him with Ling-Cho the blue-collar untermensch in Laos. Get this: here's a division of labor even within nation-states!
‘Division of Labor’ is a natural free-market occurrence. Somebody’s got to pack the Amazon boxes for $15/hr, somebody’s got to keep Amazon.com up on the internet so that those orders can be placed for 200k/yr… For now, somebody’s got to deliver them, paid something-in-between – although that ‘somebody’ will eventually be an autonomous vehicle.
The problem comes when government intervenes to create carve-outs in the economy for forms of labor that the free-market is eliminating because they are cost-non-competitive… Either by limiting competition (tariffs) or by subsidizing domestic production.
This is flat out always wrong, and always makes the United States weaker.
Throw everyone in the water, see who sinks and who swims… That’s the right way.
And yes, it leads to a more stark class divide between the engineers/programmers/etc & the folks who make their coffee and deliver their shopping orders… But again, more motivation for each individual to try just-a-little-bit-harder to not end up working in a warehouse their entire life…
Which makes the whole economy stronger...
3 closest comps -- Mr. Magoo, Forgetful Jones, and Old Man Withers?
Biden dreams of being a great President, but has no chance there either. Even if he changed his policies to something good, the damage he has already done in the first two years would totally outweigh that good, and I don't see Biden changing his destructive policies.