Washington State's Democrats Float a Proposal To Make Voting Mandatory
The proposal is "about behavior modification," argued state Sen. Patty Kuderer, likening the government's role in promoting voting to that of a parent.

The Washington state legislature is considering a new mandatory voting proposal, S.B. 5209, that would compel registered voters to return ballots in each primary and general election. The proposal is "about behavior modification," Sen. Patty Kuderer (D–Bellevue) argued at a committee meeting on Tuesday, likening the government's role in promoting voting to that of a parent.
To its credit, the bill states that voters may return blank ballots and allows citizens to opt out of registering to vote at all. It establishes no punishment for non-compliance.
As written, S.B. 5209 is essentially unenforceable. It is nevertheless bad policy since it would deploy the state's authority, albeit impotently, to compel political speech.
S.B. 5209's lead sponsor, Sen. Sam Hunt (D–Olympia), tells Reason his bill wouldn't violate citizens' free speech rights. "People eligible to vote have the option of opting out by filing a form," with election officials, says Hunt. "They also have the option of sending in a blank ballot to meet their civic duty of casting a ballot. Nothing in the bill requires them to vote for a candidate of issue. It requires them to participate."
"Even with its contradictory language and lack of penalties, SB 5209 is unconstitutional," says Andy Craig, director of election policy at the Rainey Center and an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute. "Under the First Amendment, you can't force people to vote, just like you can't force people to say the Pledge of Allegiance," he adds. "There's a long tradition of Americans abstaining from the polls for religious, philosophical, or political reasons, as is their right."
Washington's Republican legislators reportedly oppose the bill, due in part to the high likelihood that it won't hold up in court.
Some politicians may favor mandatory voting to remedy low voter turnout—like California's abysmal 42.2 percent turnout in the state's November 2014 general election—which is often driven by embarrassingly poor candidates. They may also assume that higher voter turnout will benefit their party, though there is "substantial, reliable data indicating that turnout, in the range seen in the United States for the past 70 years, has little to no systematic partisan effect," academics Daron R. Shaw and John R. Petrocik wrote in National Affairs.
Besides non-voting dissenters, many Americans are politically ignorant by choice. Proposals like S.B. 5209 would likely boost voter participation, but not necessarily pre-voting research or consideration. "When relatively ignorant voters go to the polls, they aren't doing the rest of society a favor," George Mason University law professor Ilya Somin wrote at The Volokh Conspiracy, which is hosted by Reason. "They are instead inflicting harm on us by making poor choices and incentivizing politicians to cater to their ignorance."
The First and 14th Amendments state that governments may not compel or disallow political speech. Decades of jurisprudence have bolstered these protections. Washington's state legislators ought to realize that soft coercion, with few consequences, is coercion nonetheless.
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The point of mandatory voting is to ensure a permanent Democratic majority. This is because people who don't vote and don't follow politics will likely be swayed into voting D because that's what entertainers, learning institutions and the majority of the media support. It's the same reason why Democrats talk about lowering the voting age.
If anything we need fewer people voting, not more.
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I could maybe support mandatory voting if it came with a legally effective “None Of The Above” option.
By legally effective, I mean that NOTA gets to win the election and if it does either the office is left vacant, or a new election has to be held and all candidates that lost to NOTA in the original election are automatically disqualified from running in the do-over election.
I like it. But leave out the mandatory vote.
That’s the most sensible thing you’ve ever written by several orders of magnitude.
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Agree. Sad part is that clearly NONE of these elected officials seem to have even given consideration to Constitutionality. They simply do not care, and are, in fact, attempting to pass legislation they know to be illegal in hopes that they can transfer their responsibility to judiciary and let it flail around in the courts. Maybe there are some sane legislators in WA, that will explain to their peers just how flawed they are. Legislators in all states and at federal level purposely write ambiguous laws allowing bureaucrats and judiciary to interpret/enforce thus providing plausible deniability if things don't go their way politically. No standards. No honesty. No character. No ethics.
If this passes, a citizen’s referendum to overturn this would be hilarious.
And it would be shot down by the courts, as nearly all citizen's initiatives in WA are.
Example:
SEATTLE, Feb 28 (Reuters) – Washington state’s Supreme Court made it easier for lawmakers to raise taxes on Thursday, striking down as unconstitutional a voter-approved law that required a two-thirds majority of the state legislature to approve such increases.
In a 6-3 vote, the court ruled against an initiative launched by conservative political activist Tim Eyman and twice approved by voters, most recently in November, to require a super-majority to raise taxes.
If there’s one thing the WA supreme court doesn’t like, it's citizen initiatives, especially popular ones.
Well, ar least ones that restrict the authority of the state government, apparently.
The Dems in CA solved that one by gerymandering themselves a basically permanent 2/3 majority in the state legislature.
After that, they created a regulatory environment that drove out all of the businesses (and their non-Dem) owners that had the ability to leave; and now with the lack of resource management and trying to route their crazy train through central valley they might even manage to drive out the farmers (possibly with an assist from the Gates Foundation buying up their land?). Then the threats of net-worth taxes to get any non-leftist tech billionaires to vamoose, and they'll be down to the "progressive" dream of a handful of "patriotic" tycoons paying the taxes to support the servant underclass that's been made unable to survive without state assistance (which they don't realize until it's too late also puts them in a spot with a 110-120% effective marginal income tax rate).
Then it'll be time to bring in mandatory voting to add legitimacy to the one-party system they've created...
Sounds like Massachusetts, passed by referendum, overturned by legislature or court, because "fairness" or something like that.
Step #2: If you don't vote, we'll vote for the (D) for you as your default vote.
Isn't that what they do, now?
If they make everyone vote, there won't be all those "unused" ballots for them to fill out, to elect the LieCheatSteal party candidates.
I vote that we ignore all these people and do whatever we want. That’s what I do.
Ds want higher total vote counts, what could be their motivation...
No widespread fraud, not enough to affect the outcome.
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I like how in a state (and city) where there are solid, stable, ongoing Democratic majorities, and in some cases (city-level) Democratic super-majorities, they keep tweaking how voting and democracy works. It's very weird.
Fortifications are necessary.
It’s very weird.
And by "weird" you mean FYTW/Bake the cake/eat shit and like it/megalomaniacally totalitarian/etc.
Mandatory voting creates the levels of turnout that add legitimacy to the effectively one-party system they've established.
Saddam Hussein, Vladamir Putin, and Bashar Assad all got 90% or more of the votes, why shouldn't Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell have to settle for less?
It would be funny if it turned out there was a big enough "discouraged" non-leftist contingent in Seattle who just resigned to the fact that the Dem machine couldn't be opposed that ended up uniting with the voters on the other side of the Cascades under mandatory voting and combined they managed to sweep the statewide voting against the Dem party...
After all, Joe Biden received 81 million votes.
We should do the same at the Federal level - all non citizens wanting permission to work inside the US should have to file a tax return regardless of income, and attach a mandatory form providing information proving you have a right to work at your place of employment. The form will be published to all. Call it 'working papers' which I had to apply for at the age of 16 to get busboy job after school.
"'Under the First Amendment, you can't force people to vote, just like you can't force people to say the Pledge of Allegiance," he adds. "There's a long tradition of Americans abstaining from the polls for religious, philosophical, or political reasons, as is their right."'
Yeppers.
Before voting this crap down, at least try to amend it to require a "None of the Above" choice which, if NOTA wins, the position will go unfilled until the next election.
NOTA might have won the presidency in 2016 . . .
That would get me to re-register to vote.
I wrote my dog’s name in for about twenty offices on the most recent ballot.
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And the dog would have done a better job.
"They also have the option of sending in a blank ballot to meet their civic duty of casting a ballot. Nothing in the bill requires them to vote for a candidate of issue. It requires them to participate."
So how is sending in a blank ballot any greater amount of "participation" than not sending in a ballot at all?
While I think the "stolen election" conspiracies are stupid I can't help but feel like this is a recipe for shenanigans. It would require keeping records of who did and didn't vote, but presumably with a secret ballot so you don't know who someone voted for, only that they voted.
Right now, if I choose not to vote and then check election records and see that I did vote, I know immediately that someone must have voted illegally in my name. Under this sort of mandatory voting however if I submit a blank ballot I have no way to verify it wasn't marked at some point down the line.
Not to say that is the intent, but it comes back to my original question, it seems like you are increasing the threat profile for no real benefit.
Not to say that is the intent, but it comes back to my original question, it seems like you are increasing the threat profile for no real benefit.
This was my contention about emergency voting changes under COVID. Both the then-increased threat exposure as well as future whimsical, last-minute or other social-retardation-induced threat exposure.
'"So how is sending in a blank ballot any greater amount of “participation” than not sending in a ballot at all?"'
In my book, being forced to submit ballot, even a blank one, is still "compelled speech."
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To me, this just seems to be a first step. "Well, you can leave it blank and there's no penalty". Dollars to doughnuts, once it's established, they'll come back later and say they need to mandate you cast a vote and impose penalties.
Ideologically, voting should be mandatory. However, ironically if I have to force you to vote ... I probably don't want you voting.
This is something that should be compulsory by your conscience & sense of civic duty only.
"This is something that should be compulsory by your conscience & sense of civic duty only."
Unless, of course, there is nobody on the ballot deserving of a vote.
Ideologically, voting should be mandatory.
Say what?
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Yeah, no.
Unless you believe in individual liberty. Or coherent thought.
For the Democrats, this may be a case of "be careful of what you wish for". They may think that all these non-voting people will vote for them, but they could be in for a really big, and to them, nasty surprise.
They know the non voting people will vote for them.
They don't want voters, they want ballots...
Funny how WA went to mail in ballots eight years ago and secured a Democrat majority in a couple years.
They are looking for a California-style super majority.
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I wouldn't hold my breath on that. In every other country with higher vote participation, the state grows.
But I think the causality runs the other way.
It establishes no punishment for non-compliance.
There is always punishments for non compliance.
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Now it's "Bob, I see you didn't give to United Fund and now my department is the only one that didn't make 100%. Guess that'll be in your performance review." Next: "Bob are you a communist? I see you didn't vote the other day......"
Mandatory voting? Meh.
How about universal proxy voting? If you do not cast a ballot, the state will vote for you.
we have already
They only want to do this because they think everyone will vote democrat.
Same for immigration amnesty. The left supports it so much only because they think it will get them votes. They absolutley do not have any love or sympathy for illegal aliens.
If things were reversed, if it was common knowledge that illegal immigrants skew heavily to the right, the left would be absolutely hopping mad about any amnesty proposals.
If they thought mandatory voting would result in more republican votes it would be called the most fascist proposal of all time, and a threat to democracy.
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"They also have the option of sending in a blank ballot to meet their civic duty of casting a ballot. Nothing in the bill requires them to vote for a candidate of issue. It requires them to participate."
Emphases added. OK, take it to the next step. "You are hereby notified of the requirement to serve your district as representative for the next two years."
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The Roman's did refer to members of their Senate as "conscript Fathers".
This kind of thing is so stupid. My cousin, who married a guy from Australia, had to limit their vacation here in the US because her husband was required by law to return home and vote in person.
Sounds like terrible planning on both your cousin and the Aussie husband. No different than planning a vacay knowing you have jury duty the same week.
Also let's be real. what's the penalty? it's almost certainly just a minor fine. googling now...
Do they have snap elections there?
My wording wasn't the best in that sentence. They did plan it from the beginning. What I meant was they had to do a shorter vacation than they wanted to.
Some countries make you return home for the census. Even if there are no rooms at the inn and you have to stay in someone's stable.
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No.
""The proposal is "about behavior modification," argued state Sen. Patty Kuderer, likening the government's role in promoting voting to that of a parent.""
Government to control your behavior.
Government as a parent.
It's the dem way.
That is actually how many in government view themselves - as society's parents.
I think if I held an election with my kids this year they would re-elect me, but three to four years ago I would have lost to cooler parents.
Jesus fucking Christ, you mean we have 2 senators in WA named patty? That can’t be right.
my state (WA) already enacted a "top 2" primary vote that basically eliminates all "3rd party" candidates from the November ballot and often has two lame-ass Ds to choose from.
they did this after we libertarians gained "major party status" in the 2000 elections.
my ballot typically has either a written "NOTA" checked or the name of an acquaintance.
But doesn't that do away with the "wasted vote" problem? People can vote for the Libertarian in the first round without spoiling, because they still get to pick between the final 2.
No, it does away with the major parties’ third-party problem. LP voters don’t turn out in November, what’s the point?
And I've never had a "wasted vote" problem -- my vote always indicates my preference. It's never had an impact on who wins.
Washington tends to copy all of California's bad ideas. Except for the state income tax.
They haven't figured out the trick to ban new construction then complain about the "housing shortage". Their housing prices are going up because Seattle is still a major destination for left-leaning refugees trying to escape the high cost of living in the Bay Area and the flow is overwhelming the ability to put in new units in Belltown or Ballard.
The other fun trick that I've only seen from CA "leadership" so far is for the mayor/governor holding a presser in which they promise to find whoever is responsible for what's happening in their jurisdiction and hold those people accountable...
Seattle is right in the path of a lahar(mud flow) when Mt. Rainier blows its top again. Those in the city have less than 60 minutes to evacuate.
They can rebuild on top of the dried mud afterward.
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Not for lack of trying.
Do they have snap elections there?
Accidentally replied to my comment here I see.
Anyone who cast a ballot against Hitler still consented to the holocaust. The only way not to consent was not to vote. They know this.
Lines missing from sorite. Does not compute. Besides, Herbert Hoover's Narcotics Limitation Convention was the stick--and the Moratorium on Brains the carrot which in 1931 wrecked Germany's banks and big pharma. They financed the NSDAP in self-defense. The Convention did for German dope what the March 1929 Five & Ten law did to America by making beer a felony. The people who elected Herbert Hoover wrecked both economies and welcomed the war. The people who elected TR, Taft & Wilson made WW1 inevitable.
I wouldn't say they made WWI inevitable, they just made America's entry into what was already in the stages of ending, instead caused it to last for another horrible year.
The real truth behind America's entry into that holocaust was that a certain group of people infiltrated within the British government for their own benefit. In return they got Palestine.
Benjamin Freedman gave a speech in Philadelphia in 1961 in which he exposed those behind America's entry. It will be difficult to find but it's out there. Check Jeff Rense.
It's a move toward ending voter privacy. Does anyone really believe they'll seperate tracking the act of voting from tracking who or what was voted for?
I thought states already tracked the act of voting?
The government cannot compel you to vote. It's unconstitutional. Period.
So what part of the Constitution sez that? 2A r 9A?
How about not voting for this because it is none of the government's business if you choose not to participate in voting?
The fact that Sen Kuderer's OCD is triggered by people not voting is her problem, not her fellow citizens. The governments is not its citizen's parent, "behavioral modification" is not part of its authority.
Sure, as long as there is a selection for "None of the above, they are all a bunch of crooks" as a category for each office. And, for ballot measures there needs to be a "Oh, hell no!" selection for each item.
And to facilitate compliance and help people avoid fines, the ballots will be pre-filled for you and pre-filed, unless you choose to make any changes.
To make it fair for all parties the default votes will be cast alphabetically (Dem -> Green -> Libtn -> Repub).
"likening the government's role in promoting voting to that of a parent."
Interesting choice to pick that gov't should be less nagging nanny and more Mommie Dearest. Here I thought honesty from politicians was a thing of the - wait, was an honest politician ever a thing?
Whatever you do, vote no on the "wire hangers" initiative...
George Washington Plunkitt: he seen his chances and took 'em!
That which is not forbidden is mandatory.
These people can go fuck themselves.
Why do any real work when it’s so much fun being a legislative nanny? Progressives with ideas so good they have to be law. Crazy world we live in today.
Write in ballot for GFY for every office.
Australia and Brazil both force people to vote at gunpoint, but this is cool because they rarely have to make an example of anyone. Both countries are now awash in girl-bullying Trumpanzees; with the Brazilian version pulling off a monkey-see, monkey-doo-doo vandalism spree in the Capital. Brazil also has 16 communist parties and 16 fascist parties, ALL of them subsidized to copy Nixon's anti-libertarian law and spray forth political ads. What could possibly go wrong?
This just in: The Washington state legislature just voted to make voting for democrats mandatory. Along with the bill and amendment was attached that would outlaw the republican party in the state from running for office.
In other news CNN purchases industrial washing machine to spin the news.
To make certain you don't get convicted, I guess it'll be better to vote twice, just to make sure...