LAPD Officers Tased a Confused, Terrified Man Who Then Died, All Over a Minor Car Collision
Body camera footage shows precisely why some people don’t trust police to respond appropriately to nonviolent incidents.

A man died earlier this month after being Tased six times in less than a minute by Los Angeles police during a traffic incident. Now activists are demanding answers and changes to how, or even whether, police should respond to these types of calls.
Body camera footage released a week ago from the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) shows Keenan Darnell Anderson, 31, in pretty bad mental shape when police showed up at the scene of a car crash at a busy Venice intersection on January 3. According to the LAPD, officers were responding to a call of a hit-and-run, and witnesses said Anderson, driving a BMW, was responsible for the crash. Anderson was a 10th-grade English teacher in Washington, D.C., visiting his family in Los Angeles over the holiday break.
When an officer on a motorcycle first arrives on the scene, body camera footage shows Anderson wandering in the intersection, and the officer orders him over to the curb. Anderson responds erratically saying, "Somebody's trying to kill me. Somebody's trying to kill me, sir." As the officer attempts to get Anderson against a wall, he instead drops to his knees and repeats, "I didn't mean to, sir." The officer calls it in as a possible case of driving under the influence and requests additional officers. Anderson again insists that somebody is trying to kill him and that somebody was going to try to "put stuff" in his car.
There is a 7-minute cut in the body camera footage after the officer convinces Anderson to just sit down. Footage resumes with Anderson getting back up and eventually running away. His hands are in the air, and he doesn't appear armed. He's clearly afraid of the officer and doesn't want to be in a place where other people can't see him. A bystander can be heard nearby saying that she's watching him in an apparent attempt to reassure him. He accuses the officer of putting a "thing" on him: "You're making me hot." As the officer pleads with him to return to the curb, he runs into the intersection.
The officer jumps back on his motorcycle and chases him briefly (sirens on), finding him in the middle of the street just on the other side of the intersection. There, the officer harshly commands him to the ground and orders him on his stomach. He sits on the ground but is slow to comply with the officer's instructions.
Additional officers arrive and pile on Anderson, forcing him to the ground. He begs and pleads for help, at one point yelling "C Lo is trying to kill me." They order him to stop and threaten to Tase him if he doesn't turn over. Eventually, an officer does just that. According to the LAPD's account, the officer Tased Anderson six times for a total of 42 seconds. They finally manage to detain and handcuff him. He was subsequently placed in an ambulance and transported to a hospital. He died hours later of cardiac arrest.
In a subsequent press conference, LAPD Chief Michel Moore said an initial toxicology report indicated that Anderson had cocaine and marijuana in his system at the time. The LAPD is still waiting for the full results of the toxicology report to determine what role the tasing may have played in Anderson's death.
Others are not waiting patiently. A cousin of Anderson's, Patrisse Cullors, is a co-founder of Black Lives Matter and gathered with activists at Los Angeles City Hall earlier this week to call on police to reform rules for the use of Tasers and, more generally, to stop sending police to respond to minor traffic collisions and simple traffic violations.
We'll get back to the Tasers in a moment. It's possible to agree with the sentiment that we don't need armed police officers handling most traffic violations or incidents yet still recognize that this was a situation where police were going to be called. Assuming the LAPD account is accurate, the officers were called out in response to a hit-and-run incident, not just a minor collision. This is potentially a pretty serious crime that most people want police to investigate immediately. In addition, a witness on the scene can be heard in additional footage captured by a bystander claiming that Anderson attempted to get into his car and possibly steal it in order to get away from the crash scene.
Looking back, we can see that Anderson was not dangerous and was likely suffering from some sort of delusional response possibly attributable to drugs, but attempting to argue that police shouldn't have responded to this call is simply a non-starter. It is absolutely true that we should, as a practice, reduce armed interactions between police and citizens in nonviolent situations. But this encounter with Anderson is not a good case study as to why.
How the police responded and deployed their Taser against Anderson is, however, very much worthy of critique. We don't see all of the initial officer's interactions with Anderson, but what we do see isn't great. The officer at first is mostly focused on getting Anderson out of the street, which is very understandable. Anderson is at risk of getting hit by a car due to his erratic behavior. But the officer is either unconcerned with or uncertain of how to respond to Anderson's genuine—if completely misplaced and paranoid—fears. The officer is heavily focused on demanding compliance from somebody whose mental state is clearly compromised.
When Anderson eventually runs away and the officer chases him down, the officer starts yelling harshly at Anderson as though he's a bank robber caught with a gun in his hand at the scene of the crime, not somebody who is terrified and panicking. And when the police all collapse on Anderson, they yell "Stop resisting!" at him as they Tase him, a demand that is now ingrained in many people's brains as a justification that police use to cause harm to others. This is an example of police-fueled escalation.
The Los Angeles Times looked into the LAPD's rules for using Tasers and notes that the policy allows for their use "to control a suspect when the suspect poses an immediate threat to the officer or others." That doesn't appear to have been the case with Anderson. A use-of-force expert the Times turned to notes that there's no threat from Anderson, only a delay in detaining him caused by his fear and resistance. The LAPD's Taser policy is also clear that Tasers shall "not be used on a suspect or subject who is passively resisting or merely failing to comply with commands."
But when Tasers are called for, LAPD guidelines don't indicate a limit on how many attempts are possible. They are dangerous weapons, and experts recommend exposure of no more than five seconds at a time and a total of 15 seconds altogether.
So not only was the Taser probably unnecessary and unjustified by LAPD's own policies, the application appeared to be at an unsafe duration for Anderson.
And finally, from just watching the encounter, one can say that there was nothing to indicate that Anderson was dangerous; he was terrified, delusional, and in an altered state. The police did not seem to consider a response that fit the situation, at least not from what was shown on body camera footage.
It's possible to see why police were called to this scene. It's also possible to look at that footage and understand why some don't want police responding to people having a mental health or drug crisis.
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Compliance or violence. That's the training.
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Just the other side of the same low IQ thug coin as BLM/Antifa.
We will never know peace or justice until the last cop is strangled with the entrails of the last 13%er.
BLM and antifa are saints compared to the traitors you mentioned. But it’s true that if we started executing the police officers who demand compliance or violence, it would stop.
Saints compared to cops? How many neighborhoods were burned down over the last couple of years by cops?
That is exactly the training here in the US. As well as the way we structure 911 to dispatch people. The basic training for those LAPD officers was 664 hours and it's similar in most states. The overwhelming hours are spent on learning all the different ways an encounter can result in a successful arrest/imprisonment and since we imprison multiples more people than any other country on Earth, it's no surprise those encounters are going to trend hostile quickly. The second most hours of training are spent on how to use force.
In other countries, the basic training is 2000 - 5000 hours. We still spend the same % of GDP on police that they do. Those places spend much more time on communication, deescalation, dealing with mental health crises, first aid and emergency, explaining to those encountered that those other countries focus less on imprisonment and more on day-fines. Their 911 dispatch sends out teams that have different types of skills depending on the type of call because - they have officers and dispatcher with those skills.
It's almost like we really don't give a shit.
Kind of an incomplete report there. He "got into a traffic accident" he CAUSED when he was trying to STEAL A CAR while high on cocaine. Tried to hijack an
uber driver after the accident he caused.He died hours later in the hospital. But sure. Police brutality.
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Kind of an incomplete report there. He "got into a traffic accident" he CAUSED when he was trying to STEAL A CAR while high on cocaine. Tried to hijack an
uber driver after the accident he caused. He died hours later in the hospital. But sure. Police brutality.
Was Anderson vaccinated?
How dare you?! Such a shocking question to ask.
I asked since others may not have the heart to do so.
Always with the needling questions!
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So ... he was afraid that the police would kill him ?
And they did.
So at what point do we acknowledge that getting approached by the local gestapo is realistic grounds for a reasonable person to be in fear for their lives these days?
Exactly.
When would a man with a gun NOT be a reason to fear for your life?
When would a man with a gun NOT be a reason to fear for your life?
When they're hunting in season. Or a law abiding citizen with a carry permit. Or someone exercising their right to carry openly.
The men you fear are the ones who don't care about the law. That would be cops and criminals.
Well said.
Those are still people who should be executed.
Kyle Rittenhouse was a law abiding citizen until he murdered a few people in the street. Then he got off because he's white OJ. I still would not want him to have a gun.
I saw the trial. To say Rittenhouse murdered people is to commit libel. He clearly acted in self defense.
Someone at the range. Someone in a gun store. A security guard (laws apply to them unlike police officers).
When is a man with a gun a reason to fear for your life? When they intend to use it to initiate violence. Again it comes back to cops and criminals. Pretty much every other man with a gun is a reason to feel safer, because they can respond to someone initiating deadly force. Assuming the initiator is not a cop.
When they're not threatening you? I see people armed with guns every single day and I don't run screaming in panic to hide under my bed.
No officer pulled a gun during this incident.
I think he was unreasonable.
Yeah... it's not like one of the possible side effects of cocaine use is a myocardial infarction or anything... oh wait.
Stop with the facts. It harshes the narrative!
I thought that Tasers were not supposed to be used as a 'compliance tool' . . .
They are at climate tsar John Kerry (D) speaking events.
“Don’t tase me, bro.”
Just be glad it’s someone semi rational and not a noose needing Republican traitor lunatic.
He died hours later of cardiac arrest.
Sounds like a female officer exercising her right to privacy to me.
Anderson was jaywalking aka trespassing on public property. Using the Babbitt standard, shooting unarmed Anderson would have been acceptable.
“In addition, a witness on the scene can be heard in additional footage captured by a bystander claiming that Anderson attempted to get into his car and possibly steal it in order to get away from the crash scene.
Looking back, we can see that Anderson was not dangerous…”
If he did manage to steal someone’s car while not competent to drive, I’d say he could be quite dangerous.
Looking back, we can see that Anderson was not dangerous
Yeah, that kind of set off my BS detector. I don't really see how someone behaving as he was and clearly paranoid, fearful, and erratic - due to either a mental health episode or drugs - can be described as "not dangerous."
Which doesn't absolve the officers of responsibility for what they did here. They obviously violated their department's policies on use of Tasers, and that may have contributed to this guy's death (or he OD'ed on coke - who knows). It's also safe to assume that they probably don't really care. After all, they went home safe so why should they give a shit?
The problem is he wasn't passively resisting or non-compliant, he was actively evading them. Now too many of them tased him and probably for too long but I could see this being held that they individually acted acceptably (aquital at separate trials) but in aggregate did not (policy change and reprimands). But it's BLM so they'll be convicted either way because nobody wants them rioting in their neighborhood.
Just because someone is paranoid, fearful, or erratic and behaving strangely, does not automatically make them a threat to others.
The police absolutely should not be responding to mental health cases...but what is the option?
Fleets of roving mental health officials wanting to swoop down and help people like this?
Men in white suits with nets?
Abolish police entirely.
Support your local, elected Sheriff. He can hire the help he needs and deputize who he needs and draw from the community that elected him.
This takes the bureaucracy largely out and allows LEOs to be far more flexible.
It has the added bonus that if a local Sheriff goes corrupt, they don't manage an entire state so they can be easier to get rid of.
LA county has a sheriff office. From what I gather their not much better than the LAPD.
shit take.
police and sheriffs are functionally identical
Not really. Police answer calls. Sheriffs taxi prisoners, serve papers, and deliver bad news.
Sheriffs tend to keep a grasp on their humanity. Police are simply robots that use force to secure compliance. That’s why any argument with the police is potentially fatal. Sheriffs manage the county lockup and run security at the court house. They evict people and deliver restraining orders. The job of a sheriff is rather depressing. It's not like the adrenalin boys in blue.
"Not really. Police answer calls. Sheriffs taxi prisoners, serve papers, and deliver bad news."
Depends on where you live.
A dense area like the county that contains LA, sure.
However in more rural areas Sheriffs answer calls in unincorporated areas or even in small incorporated municipalities that don't have their own police force.
Yup. Around here, we have a police department within our small city limits and a sheriff's department that acts like police over the much larger county.
They answer those calls in addition to those other duties that help them stay human.
Except, sheriff’s offices have divisions. Jail divisions, process service divisions, animal control divisions, traffic divisions, patrol divisions, and investigative divisions.
They are literally police that respond to calls for service. They are just also charged with other duties above and beyond municipal police.
Your point, if I'm reading you correctly, is that having lots of interactions with ordinary members of the public, in situations where arrests and use of force are not likely to be options, should result in a better attitude with respect to use of force and obsession with compliance.
So what do think of this idea, for medium to large police forces: officers need to do two days a week unarmed. Dispatchers would send them on low risk calls; i.e. the level of call where an EMT/firemen/helpful bystander of ordinary fortitude would not be afraid to show up alone. One benefit would be the effect you're talking about, on the other side it would help identify officers with less-than-ordinary fortitude so they could be redirected to other careers.
To be clear, there's not anything wrong with having a gun, and nothing morally superior about not having one. What is wrong is being dependent on having one.
Huh? The last thing I want is some of my nut job neighbors coming after me in a posse.
The idea of the Sheriff assumed we would want to participate in the process as citizens and would actually want to know our neighbors.
Get to know the people at your local rifle range. Practice with your local LEOs during CMP matches.
It's good to know the nut job neighbors. Interactions tend to be less violent when people know each other.
I think your idea is great for rural or distant suburb areas where knowing most of the people you encounter daily is feasible.
It's not so reasonable to expect the LA county sheriff to know who's a reliable volunteer vs law abiding but unwilling vs unreliable. You'd need to break up the city into tiny one-square-mile jurisdictions.
If one mental health responder without a weapon gets killed, their union will be demanding either they be armed or have police escorts at every encounter or both. In all three cases, you end up with more armed agents of the state having more interactions with more individuals...what could go wrong?
I believe Reason is, as usual, leaving A LOT out of the story.
Dude caused an accident, tried to steal a car, repeatedly tried to flee.
The cop was initially reasonable, but the probably tased him too many times.
Either way, local cop issues pale in comparison to the national police Reason's been sucking off for years, the political prisoners Reason ignores, and the covid totalitarianism Reason enthusiastically participated in.
Fuck this juvenile outrage porn bullshit, get robbed at gunpoint Reason staff.
get robbed at gunpoint Reason staff.
I hope for your sake you don't live in Colorado and that comment doesn't cause the Reason staff "emotional distress."
"Dude caused an accident."
And your evidence for that is...
According to the LAPD's own account they got called out to a hit and run. And then the LAPD found Mr Anderson at the scene of the accident, which means he didn't leave the scene before police arrived.
If there was in fact a hit and run, the most logical conclusion based on the LAPD account is that there was another vehicle and driver involved, that Mr Anderson's car was the one hit and that the other driver caused the accident.
I see you missed or ignore the part in the beginning where witnesses ID'd him as the cause of the crash, but hey narratives don't push themselves.
The only thing I can find in the article about witnesses, is one witness claiming he attempted to get into a different vehicle after the crash. That is not identifying him as the cause of the crash.
Second paragraph of the article "witnesses said Anderson, driving a BMW, was responsible for the crash." The body worn camera of one of the officers has a woman at the scene of the crash pointing out Keenan Anderson as the driver of one of the vehicles, while he was fleeing the scene. The body worn camera of one of the motorcycle cop who initially made contact with Anderson also shows several witnesses identifying him as one of the drivers involved in the crash.
Yes and it was a felony hit & run because the other driver was injured. Not a minor crash as this headline falsely reports.
You should watch the video.
Furthermore, the police officer perfectly reasonably ordered the suspect to sit down and wait, nothing more.
The reason the officer eventually used non-lethal force was because the suspect got up and tried to escape, so they wanted to handcuff and restrain him and the suspect fought back.
The Denver STAR program has been incredibly effective.
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/02/20/denver-star-program-expansion/
2/3 of all cases concerned homeless people, and a third of all cases were referred by cops themselves.
They're basically giving out waters and providing shelter to screaming homeless people. The police have to be called in cases where a crazed man causes an accident and tries to steal a car.
Programs like this probably works for a city the size of Denver. For a city like LA, it'll just end up costing more money to do what the police can do. The police find mentally disabled or senile seniors wandering around the streets all the time. In cases where the mental unstable person has a weapon, they may save lives.
Remember, no one care about stories in which is raving lunatic kills all his family. When a cop shoots or tases a crazy person for any reason, that will draw some level of attention.
God forbid there be trained martial artists fit enough to immobilize something larger than a jelly donut!
The man was a danger to himself and others, and the cops used the least amount of force necessary to keep him, and others safe.
The fact that he was delusional, but still clever enough to scream out and act as if there was police violence going on, means that bystanders, who might not have had context, were also agitated against the police.
George Floyd died because he overdosed and did not comply. It is likely this person died the same way. Neither man was rational, and both men were a danger to themselves and others.
We cannot simply let people out of their minds on drugs wander the streets.
Yes you MUST comply if a municipal employee gives you an order. The penalty is death.
The other side of the coin is that if you poison yourself with drugs known to screw over your rationality and sometimes cause problems with breathing and heart-beating, it’s a lot harder for people — municipal employees or not — to save you from your own actions.
Police used non-lethal force.
Floyd allowed himself to be cuffed you can see the video. He died because he lied about taking drugs. The cops could have saved him with Narcan if he had told the truth.
Ah! The throwdown excuse that hidden dope surely must've killed Floyd and this time only--as a special exception--did not also kill the cop kneeling on his throat. Ain't Jesus great?
I saw the video, police did nothing out of the ordinary.
are you arguing that if people resist arrest they shouldn't be tazed? good luck with that
are you arguing if someone flees the scene of a car accident, police shouldn't chase them? thats absurd
this isn't a case for police reform you think it is
"are you arguing that if people resist arrest they shouldn’t be tazed?"
LAPD official policy says people who are only passively resisting should not be tazed.
Passively fleeing, yeah that fits with the "mostly peaceful" inversion of language.
He ran away and was fighting police officers. I'd call that pretty active resistance.
It’s the problem of people wanting law enforcement to be clean, happy, cheery, and not at all aggressive or violent.
It’s Monday morning quarterbacking with a premise that it’s the police’s fault for violence occurring.
The problem is the reality of law enforcement is mostly not pretty. You can’t let people actively avoid arrest and investigation simply by allowing them to not comply with lawful police action.
It just gets old, anymore.
Not a danger to others ?
He caused a crash and fled the scene.
After he fled into traffic a second time from the motorcycle officer he tried to get into someone's car.
As they tried to get him in cuffs he kept reaching for his waistband.
Yes he was high.. and confused but how would YOU, handle it when the suspect is acting as he did ?
You saw the one officer try to calm and reason with the suspect. Reason wasn't working.
Did you watch all of the video or just the twitterverse versions ?
Yes he was high.. and confused but how would YOU, handle it when the suspect is acting as he did?
Most of us have neither trained, nor been paid, nor taken an oath to serve and protect, to “handle it” when an individual is acting as Anderson did; that is the wrong question to ask. This is a complex issue, but in the end I see a problem with the personality types law enforcement recruits, a problem on the part of LEOs to understanding who works for who, and a lack of training to deal with mental health situations such as this one. Unfortunately none of this is an easy fix.
I see this complaint all the time that police aren’t trained to deal with mental health patients.
You know what people who are trained to deal with mental health patients do when a patient becomes combative, aggressive, and refuses to follow instructions? It looks remarkably a lot like what happens when police encounter someone that is combative, aggressive, and refuses to follow instructions.
And ironically, if someone with mental health issues at a clinic or facility becomes combative, aggressive, and uncooperative, what do the trained mental health individuals routinely do? They call the police to deal with the person,
The cops did what they were trained to do: they tried to deescalate, tried to avoid the use of force, and used non-lethal force when it became unavoidable.
Until we get true policing reform, the best way to deal with LEOs is Hands Up, "Don't Shoot." Hardly foolproof but better odds than giving officer shit and resisting arrest or demands for compliance. You can't call your attorney from jail if you are dead on the street because you "wanted to stand on your rights."
Remember that black social worker that wasn't resisting , was on his back with his hands raised as ordered, explaining that the hispanic man next to him was developmentally challenged and was holding a toy car and not a gun, so don't shoot ... and the police still managed to shoot the black guy ?
Yeah, that was ridiculous bullshit.
Why did they wait so long to tase him?
Must have gotten linked to copsucker sites to bring this many out of the woodwork. Not to worry, bros, when they stick that badge on you you become an angel, perfect in knowledge and faultless in action.
Here's an idea- just kill everybody who's not a cop. Problem solved, life becomes Paradise forever.
Funny how the warped, extremist take on one side brings out the warped, extremist response on the other. When you push a narrative, facts and nuance be damned don't be shocked when the pushback is every bit as lacking in context or nuance.
Be careful what you wish for. Germany tried that formula by sparing only a select few who weren't Jewish (or cops or Nazi politicians)... and to this day variations on that theme animate the platform, theory and practices of the Gee-Oh-Pee.
Reason (and BLM) needs to choose better victims to demonstrate unfair official violence.
Or they can tell us precisely what sorts of deranged behavior should be excused, and what sorts of associated actions (e.g. committing a hit and run) are not illegal acts.
Agree. The Eric Garner incident was a groove down the middle for libertarians discussing inappropriate policing.
I think you get some pretty universal agreement on Garner. Where you start to see the wedge is cases like Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin, where the media was asking people to swallow a false narrative.
When it comes to Eric Garner:
1) There shouldn't be a law against selling loose cigarettes.
2) Cigarette taxes shouldn't be so high as to incentivize people selling loosies.
3) Police shouldn't have been called on this.
4) Police shouldn't have applied a choke-hold.
It's when people take to the streets and start burning down neighborhoods over people like Rayshard Brooks or Jacob Blake that you see pushback. And the idealogues see the fact that anyone would push back is evidence of deep-seeded racism, bigotry, and authoritarianism instead of evidence that the case itself is questionable. The edge cases are then pushed harder because it allows grifters to get rich off of the arguments.
They weren't called for Garner selling loosies they were called for a fight that Garner had broken up before they got there. One of the cops falsely claimed Garner was selling which lead to his death.
Didn't a store owners report him about selling loose cigs earlier? The cops were looking for him.
He had been arrested a bunch of times before but on this particular day he wasn't selling. That's why he got so angry because the cop was falsely accusing him.
What's more, if I recall correctly, he had been arrested 30 times or so, but hadn't been prosecuted for selling loosies even once!
While it's easy to say "never resist the police", and it's certainly advice I fully endorse, I can also see why someone might be pushed to the breaking point.
It's a reminder: every law you pass, no matter how minor, is something that the law-passers have decided is important enough that you're willing to kill people over -- because eventually someone is going to resist to the point that someone gets shot!
... and then Qualified Immunity will make the murders all legal as sea salt. Thank Allah for The Looter Kleptocracy!
Folks were able to garner support for calling out that situation as abusive.
A much better question is how many criminals should be permissible to be killed by others in a no-police state.
In the entire absence of law enforcement, what should and shouldn't be acceptable?
A reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm.
In Shackford's world, if you don't consent to being arrested, police shouldn't arrest you.
After he was tased, he was conscious and verbal. I would say he was alert, but that implies some awareness I don't think he possessed in his delusional state. He has a heart attack 4 hours later.
I'm against bad policing and police abuse. I'm really having a tough time seeing it here.
Excessive tazing.
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You have no right to veto an arrest.
Funny how a lot of people think you can just walk away when cops decide to place you in custody.
K. D. Anderson's actual cause of death is most likely related to the cocaine in his system. The cocaine could, or could not be, the proximate cause of his death. His death sounds likes like it might likely be a cardiac arrhythmia ± an infarction, which cocaine certainly can trigger. Deaths from confused delerium usually occur while the deceased remains restrained or immediately (not an hour) after being released from shackles (which one assumes was the case after his arrival at the hospital, but this is not clearly stated).
There are several issues involved here, but the one of most interest to me is the use of the Taser, especially in the "dosage" in which the high-voltage jolt was applied. Tasers are "less-lethal" weapons, not "non-lethal" weapons. Years ago, they were "sold" as a less lethal alternative to the policeman's sidearm, justified in their deployment when use of a firearm would be justified in their absence.
They were not would, and should never have been adopted or accepted as a pain compliance control device!, and any officers who use them in this fashion, when they would not have been justified in pulling, aiming, and using a firearm should face criminal battery charges. If the "tased", following repeatedly being "lit up" in circumstances when the use of a firearm in the absence of a Taser would not be reasonable/justified, the officer so mis-using the device should face charges of negligent homicide.
But in our world of police-police interactions, and police-DA relationships, this will happen only after winged monkeys fly out of Merick Garland's ass and hover in the northeast corner singing Handel's Messiah.
What is left out of the article is that the repeated taser deployments were all drive stun deployments. The officer attempted a traditional taser deployment, but the probes didn't connect. Drive stuns have always been pain compliance.
I don't entirely buy this argument. If you only employ tasers in situations where it's appropriate to shoot someone, why not just shoot that person? Is that really the standard we want to set up?
In the context of the police, tasers are supposed to be less-than-lethal -- which implies that they could be used in situations where some level of force is needed, but not lethal force -- and I would suggest that fighting the police, but not with lethal force, counts as such a situation.
I would 100% agree that tasers shouldn't be used for compliance -- but what does "compliance" mean in this case? If the individual isn't fighting the police, but refusing to comply, then no, the taser shouldn't be used -- but if "refusing to comply" means active low-level combat ... well, that's non-lethal force, and I see no reason why non-lethal force should be used in response to such "lack of compliance".
See? Declare vices to be crimes to please superstitious fanatics, and resulting laws leave a trail of corpses never there before the violence of law was introduced. Then make the same deadly force mandatory to stop anyone from conducting an experiment in full view of the public to test the truth value of statements volunteered by ignorant "expert" whores under oath in support of the initiation of force. Settled Science, Q.E.D.
A drug addict crashes into peoples cars, tries to steal one, and is running into the street further endangering innocent people. He dies hours later, probably as a result of drugs he willingly took. Even accepting the police could have done a better job, this is a person who killed himself through bad choices. It won’t help anyone to further discourage the police from removing the mentally ill and addicts from the streets. They don’t need to be in prison, but they do need to be somewhere where they don’t harm other people, until they are capable of acting as responsible members of society.
Ah! How obvious! Trump REALLY won the election and George Floyd died of something OTHER THAN a pig kneeling on his throat. Now this guy... same thing! Got it.
It's not even clear, maybe not even probable, that the tasers caused his death. He was high on coke. That can cause heart attacks. So can lots of things when a person is behaving like a crazy person and revving their heart up.
He did this to himself.
The pigs always escalate, and then they start shooting.
The drug-crazed hood rats always escalate. Then they complain when they get treated roughly.
If the guy wan't on cocaine, he'd probably be alive right now.
Not Beelzebub's beer? Ah yes... the New York Times claimed on 08FEB1914 that "cocaine negroes" needed to be riddled with large caliber cop bullets before they stopped resisting the Tough Love of Our Lawerd Jesus H Christ and the Harrison Act then about to be voted on by elected politicians blissfully ignorant of any fact. THAT, to God's Own Prohibitionists, is reason enough to Christianize these savages by deadly force if it takes Treblinkas and Auschwitzes to finish the work of the Lawerd. Just ask the Speaker of The House.
Excellent reporting by Scott. Yet this Rodney King rerun is exactly the initiation of deadly force for no good reason that voters begged BOTH halves of The Looter Kleptocracy to dish out now, in 1991, and in 1968 when George Wallace carried the Ku-Klux Dixiecrat south. Back in 1968, however, Reason was the new kid on the block and the pro-choice, individualist Libertarian Party did not yet exist.
The story is complete b.s.
The guy was on drugs, was stealing a car, and caused a collision. He was placed under arrest, with the officer being extremely patient and polite and using no excessive force. Then, he got up again and started running away. Because he had run away before, they wanted to place handcuffs on him and he was fighting them. They repeatedly warned him that he would get tased and he still resisted. Eventually, they tased him and sent him to the hospital.
He died four and a half hours later. If he had been killed by the taser, his death would have been immediately. He most likely died from drugs.
Police used non-lethal force against someone who they reasonably believed had committed a felony, was driving under the influence of drugs, escaped from police custody, AND resisted arrest by force. Kudos to the cops for being so patient and professional.
21.1.23 FROM UK. REASON SITE. FROM UK. RE DEATH OF BLACK VICTIM. AND CENSORSHIP BY MEDIA. We have been experiencing Police attacks in UK after we started doing stste of the art work on so called impossible to cure victims of the establishment Mh system. Some these clients had recd over 20 yrs Psychiatry/Psycholgy they needed about six hours. We were told to stop the work as it was putting people out of work and the victims were being used as cheap labour. We were then subjected to violence because we did not stop saving lives. the evidence 1000pp censored by entire press. The bare bones is establ manslaughter. you only have to glance at media headlines to understand why this black victim was taking drugs. lets put it this way, if whites like us cannot survive how is he goin to. WAKE UP.The people on here need to wake up, this censorship has been going on for over 40 yrs. We traipsed London Streets 12 accompanied by Victims of the establ. We knocked at doors We found crrptn every half mile. We refer to- HM Courts. HM Govt. HM Prisons. Hm Princes Trust. HM bar Council. HM CPS.Health service. HM Coroners. Police Home Office. Education. universities. Students. Charities. Affinity Groups. Lottery Board.
Well done, balanced article. Nice to see.
American police have to little training, compared to similar policemen in Britain and other Western European countries. Especially in situations like this. Great podcast on the difference in police force training: What Are the Police for, Anyway? - Freakonomics.
21.1.23 FROM UK. REASON SITE. FROM UK. RE DEATH OF BLACK VICTIM. AND CENSORSHIP BY MEDIA. We have been experiencing Police attacks in UK after we started doing stste of the art work on so called impossible to cure victims of the establishment Mh system. Some these clients had recd over 20 yrs Psychiatry/Psycholgy they needed about six hours. We were told to stop the work as it was putting people out of work and the victims were being used as cheap labour. We were then subjected to violence because we did not stop saving lives. the evidence 1000pp censored by entire press. The bare bones is establ manslaughter. you only have to glance at media headlines to understand why this black victim was taking drugs. lets put it this way, if whites like us cannot survive how is he goin to. WAKE UP.The people on here need to wake up, this censorship has been going on for over 40 yrs. We traipsed London Streets 12 accompanied by Victims of the establ. We knocked at doors We found crrptn every half mile. We refer to- HM Courts. HM Govt. HM Prisons. Hm Princes Trust. HM bar Council. HM CPS.Health service. HM Coroners. Police Home Office. Education. universities. Students. Charities. Affinity Groups. Lottery Board. 100s more. The Courts threatened to kill us. US Embassy offers violence. We are experiencing Police attacks. The media is not avail. Facebook destroyed 7 accounts. Also implicated is Twitter.Yahoo. GOOGLE. All ourwebsites destroyed. We are a Jewish family who came to UK to escape all this. Now we find Jewish Orgs going along with it. Dont just do something. Sit there. See you round the Wagnet Concert. JA ! We reckon this site doing same as social media that is censoring life saving info. Sick world sick people.
GO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT SICK COUNTRY.ANY FOOL CAN WRITE COMMENTs. WE DO WHAT WE PREACH HENCH THE ATTACKs. GOT It? OR NOT ?WE ARE WHITE. STOP BLAMING BLACKS.YOU CANT EVEN VOTE FOR NON CORRUPT POLITICIANS. THATS HOW DUMB YOU ARE.
A “ terrified, delusional, and in an altered state” person is dangerous! People have been randomly stabbed, pushed in front of trains, shot, etc. by “terrified, delusional, and in an altered state people.” The thing about such persons is that the are totally unpredictable, and are too often violent.
Isn't it great being a Monday morning quarterback.
But at least Monday morning quarterbacks usually have concrete "I would have kicked a field goal" "solutions" when given the benefit of hindsight. Shackford doesn't even do that.
It's also unlikely that the taser was what resulted in his death -- but I will wait for the coroner's report before jumping to conclusions about police misconduct.
Should the police have just let him go? If they continued to struggle with him and he ended up asphyxiated and dying on the scene, would that have been better (of course, Shackford would be second guessing the police's action then also)?
It would be wonderful if people like this carjacker were locked away for his own safety and safety of others, but they are not and the police have to deal with them.
The initial officer was quite reasonable - he let the perp move away from the wall and just kept talking to the perp until the perp ran. Should he just have let the perp go instead of following him -- if he had gotten killed in traffic or someone else got severely injured or killed as they swerved to avoid him would Shackford be complaining about the police just letting the perp go? Would Shackford have the same opinion if it was his spouse/kid/parent who was killed? I'm guessing not.
24.1.23. UK. Since writing we thought more about it. black people have a different sensory system to whites. They show feelings more easily. I have been subject to some of that and its scary. however when a man is full of drugs its because he cant cope with or fasce everyday life. when the country is full of unfairness greed selfishness and advantage taking many people find they cant cope. Its not their 'fault' its the fault of the system and a disociated sport art drama money kids passing exams public. We are being abused by Police in UK and that can be very frightening particularly if you have no mates around. We had to employ bodyguards. All we wanted was fairness truth co operation and support when down. We never got that We are not black and dont want to be.. Just the sight of these Police rushing at you can do you harm. Why was not kindness and support offered this man he was yellin for help.As for the shocks having nothing to do with heart failure think again. The heart will remember it. People who have suffered electric shock dont always die but they ofter show the effects later. You the USA needs to urgently change just as the UK needs. The chances of that are nil. Every neighbour in every area should support others. People round this area are telling us that attemps to establ rapport are met with hostility. The people explaining that are trustable. YOU NEED TO GET OFF YOUR BUTS AND GO DO SOMETHING RATHER THAN SIT HERE WRITING. Why are we here, its because we have no other way of trying to get support. A lot of the problem is because most people on here are male.We act on what we find thats why we get attacked by Police. Got it? Or not? REASON IS THE ONLY MEDIA WE FOUND NOT CENSORING. No this is not anti US. I have had long assoc with that country.
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