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Free Speech

Inside the Facebook Files: Emails Reveal the CDC's Role in Silencing COVID-19 Dissent

Throughout the pandemic, the CDC was in constant contact with Facebook, vetting what users were allowed to say on the social media site.

Robby Soave | 1.19.2023 6:00 AM

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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) played a direct role in policing permissible speech on social media throughout the COVID-19 pandemic. Confidential emails obtained by Reason show that Facebook moderators were in constant contact with the CDC, and routinely asked government health officials to vet claims relating to the virus, mitigation efforts such as masks, and vaccines.

For a broader analysis of the federal government's pandemic-era efforts to suppress free speech—and whether they violated the First Amendment—see Reason's March 2023 cover story on the ramifications of these emails. This article provides screenshots of the emails themselves.

After Elon Musk took control of Twitter, he permitted several independent journalists to peruse the company's previous communications with the FBI, the CDC, the White House, and government officials elsewhere. These disclosures, which have become known as the Twitter Files, reveal that government bureaucrats put substantial pressure on Twitter to restrict alleged misinformation relating to elections, Hunter Biden, and COVID-19.

The Facebook Files, which were obtained by Reason as a result of the state of Missouri's lawsuit against the Biden administration, reveal that the CDC had substantial influence over what users were allowed to discuss on Meta's platforms: Facebook and Instagram.

The messages reveal an environment where the CDC kept tabs on Meta's moderation practices and regularly told the company what the agency wanted it to do.

For instance, in May 2021, CDC officials began routinely vetting claims about COVID-19 vaccines that had appeared on Facebook. The platform left it up to the federal government to determine which assertions were accurate.

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Facebook's moderator notes that some of the above claims "would already be violating"—an implicit admission that the CDC's opinion on the other claims would be a deciding factor in whether the platform would restrict such content. Facebook was clearly a willing participant in this process; moderators repeatedly thanked the CDC for its "help in debunking."

Claims vetted by the CDC included whether "COVID-19 is man-made." The CDC told Facebook that it was "theoretically possible, but extremely unlikely."

Reason

For months, it was Meta policy to prohibit users from asserting that the pandemic may have originated from a lab leak. The platform revised this policy around the same time that the above email exchange took place.

By July 2021, the CDC wasn't just evaluating which claims it thought were false, but whether they could "cause harm."

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Then, in November, the Food and Drug Administration granted emergency authorization for children to receive Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine. Meta proudly informed the CDC that it would remove false claims—"i.e. the COVID vaccine is not safe for kids"—from Facebook and Instagram. Meta also provided the CDC with a list of new claims about vaccines and asked whether the government thought they could "contribute to vaccine refusals."

The CDC determined that this label applied to all such claims.

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It's important to consider the ramifications. Meta gave the CDC de facto power to police COVID-19 misinformation on the platforms; the CDC took the position that essentially any erroneous claim could contribute to vaccine hesitancy and cause social harm. This was a recipe for a vast silencing across Facebook and Instagram, at the federal government's implicit behest.

Meta frequently gave the CDC lists of pandemic-related topics that had gone viral, seeking guidance on how to handle them. And the CDC informed Meta "to be on the lookout" for misinformation stemming from specific alleged misconceptions.

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Meta also kept the CDC apprised of criticism of Anthony Fauci, the White House's COVID-19 advisor and head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID). One email warned the CDC that Facebook users were mocking Fauci for changing his mind about masking and double-masking. The CDC replied that this information was "very helpful."

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If the tone of Meta's communications seems overly friendly, it's worth noting that staffers viewed government employees at the CDC as their "colleagues." In one email, Meta discussed providing said colleagues with access to a "reporting channel" for COVID-19 misinformation. The list of individuals with access included CDC staff, as well as employees at Reingold, a communications firm advising government health agencies.

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This is just a snapshot of the messages exchanged between the CDC and Meta. They also had regular conference calls. The CDC was not the only arm of the federal government engaged in this work, of course: White House staffers also castigated Meta for not deplatforming alleged misinformation fast enough. President Joe Biden himself accused Facebook of "killing people" in July 2021.

One wonders whether these condemnations, from Biden and others in his administration—which included the specific threat of punitive regulation if demands for greater censorship were not met—influenced Meta's decision to delegate COVID-19 content moderation to the CDC.

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  1. MWAocdoc   2 years ago

    Although I have never been a Twitter or Instagram user, I had an even worse experience with Facebook, because of which I am no longer a Facebook user. I enjoyed the ability to share family photos and social events, interesting family tree discoveries and so on, but being banned arbitrarily at unpredictable intervals for discussing anything else was finally too much for me. I wonder if Facebook is clueless, just don't care or are actively hostile to free discussion that runs counter to their social and political narrative?

    1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

      They get paid by the government for doing it.
      Probably a massive portion of their profit margin.

      1. JC2   2 years ago

        Yes, along with the msm to ignore stories that go against the narrative . Just as the gov is doing with pain patients who are allowed to cry to each other on FB of how they're suffering to death by being denied access to legal pain meds but msm doesn't say a word about the suffering or the suicides. The CDC and other beaurocrats continue to say nonsense and use junk science to justify the situation.

        1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

          What difference does it make to libertarians if the propaganda and censorship was cooperatively paid for or coerced with threats?

          1a was violated.

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    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Most of these companies are fully captured by mentally ill dangerhair and tranny administrators with a vested interest in advancing leftist political narratives. Look at that freak the news interviewed who was one of Twitter's "disinformation" janny contractors--a male LARPing as a woman who couldn't even be bothered to brush his disgusting, greasy, stringy hair for the interview.

      None of this is really going to come to light unless Republican state DAs sue these companies into oblivion in order to get discovery going and expose just how deep the relationship between the Tech Trust, the DNC, and the government bureaucracies actually go. Public trust in these companies and the US government needs to be completely, utterly broken so that the clearing out of all this dead weight can be justified.

    4. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

      Could the answer to your question be some combination of the 3? Ignorance, unconcerned w/ the opinions of others, and actively hostile to the out-group? It seems to be the trend for their in-group. Add the collusion w/ government agencies and political parties, and it's a potent set of factors creating some really shitty people, decision, policies and products.

    5. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

      I wonder if Facebook is clueless, just don’t care or are actively hostile to free discussion that runs counter to their social and political narrative?

      Depending on the Facebook moderator it could be any of the above, or any combination of motivations. Whatever their motives, fuck Facebook.

    6. Nardz   2 years ago

      "or are actively hostile to free discussion that runs counter to their social and political narrative"

      This one.

      1. Page Turner   2 years ago

        As the journalists releasing the Twitter files admit, even the documents they're now allowed to see is being filtered by...someone.

  2. Mockamodo   2 years ago

    In China everyone wears a mask at all times, not doing so is a crime and you're arrested and sent for "re-education". If masks are the great breaker of epidemic the CDC says they are why is China having a massive outbreak?

    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

      That is not real masking, just like all the times it wasn't real socialism.

    2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Yes, it’s the perfect experiment that proves the futility of masks in fighting viruses.

    3. justme   2 years ago

      masking never worked and never will. it's nothing more than a way for the tyrants to control the sheep. i refused to ever wear one and i never will. i will not comply with these low iq tyrants.

    4. MWAocdoc   2 years ago

      Governor Inslee of Washington state has mandated that all healthcare workers and their patients must continue to wear masks because of the COVID emergency. We're the only people still required to wear masks.

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  3. Chumby   2 years ago

    Center for
    Disinformation
    Control and
    Prevention

    1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   2 years ago

      Biden will probably replace Fauci with Leana Wen.

  4. tracerv   2 years ago

    Double masked moron.

    I wonder, in her heart of hearts, if she feels like a idiot now?

    1. swillfredo pareto   2 years ago

      I wonder, in her heart of hearts, if she feels like a idiot now?

      She doesn’t. She knows her behavior was a disgrace, she knows you know it was a disgrace, and she doesn’t give a fraction of a shit. If she was the kind of person capable of feeling like an idiot she never would have pursued the gig.

      1. Stuck in California   2 years ago (edited)

        So much this.

        We have to remember that most bureaucrats who rise to that level are likely psychopaths. They don’t feel shame when they lie, they don’t feel remorse when they are wrong, they have no compunctions about saying or doing the things that they think need saying and doing to get what they want.

        She has a position of power, prestige, and a good salary. If it takes some alarmism to retain that position and power, ring the damned alarm! “The end of the world is night, you must listen to me!”

    2. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

      I doubt it. That would require her to have an ounce of introspection and humility. She's probably still recovering from the dislocated shoulder she suffered from patting herself on the back for her strict adherence to "The Science!"

    3. Page Turner   2 years ago

      No. She's confident in the knowledge that she's a better person than you, me and anyone not in her immediate circle of friends.

  5. Jerryskids   2 years ago

    I'm sure Lizard Boy fought his partners in the federal government tooth and nail over that one.

    1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

      When he wasn't going on about Sweet Baby Ray's.

  6. TJJ2000   2 years ago

    There are LAWS against this... The Supreme Law of the land. The peoples LAW over their government. The very definition of the USA.

    In case anyone wants to *pretend* back the USA instead of continuing to *pretend* the Democratic Nazi-Empire into existence that conquered and destroyed the USA.

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  7. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

    I love the conclusion to the above article...

    "One wonders whether these condemnations, from Biden and others in his administration—which included the specific threat of punitive regulation if demands for greater censorship were not met—influenced Meta's decision to delegate COVID-19 content moderation to the CDC."

    THE MAJOR FIRST STEP in generating specific threats of punitive regulation is... Tearing down the Section 230 that stands in the way of power-grabbing Government Almighty actors!!!

    And WHAT do half of the stupid-and-evil chuckle-fucks advocate here in these comments? Yes, that... TEAR DOWN SECTION 230!!!

    1. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago (edited)

      And another totalitarian makes his (fake) case for retaining unconstitutional totalitarian controls in place.

      Stupid can’t be fixed.

      1. Chumby   2 years ago

        Squirrel’s posts may contain CAPS LOCK, 230, clang association with Trump (e.g., Humpty Dumpty Trumpty), accusations of marxism and Stormy Daniels.

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          What none will ever contain is evidence of being posted by a sentient human.

      2. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

        I see! So you’re saying that the Intergalactic Sub-Smegmonic Boogoidian-Strawmen-Hybrids have deployed booger-beams (Those unspeakable BASTARDS) and have hijacked your tinfoil hat! You have my sympathies, but no more… I have no good advice for you, sorry! Other victims of the Intergalactic Sub-Smegmonic Boogoidian-Strawmen-Hybrids that I have known? They all ended up on Skid Row, and I could NOT help them!

        1. Utkonos   2 years ago

          Boogoidian-Strawmen-Hybrids
          Was that an anti-Armenian slur!
          Consider yourself CANCELLED…..You TURKEY!!!

    2. Lawification   2 years ago

      I could think of about 1,000 better ways to say this, but you're not wrong.

  8. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

    Robby lamenting yesterday:

    It's no doubt true that misinformation about vaccines has spread online, causing harm.

    1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

      https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/centner-academy-vaccine-rules-leila-centner-david-centner
      Florida School Run by Idiots Says Vaccinated Students Must Stay Home for 30 Days After Each Shot
      This is the same school where a teacher told students not to hug their vaccinated parents for more than five seconds.

      (End subtitles and excerpts).

      See? We are ALL data-driven by now! My data says the OTHER (evil) tribe believes in vaccines, so MY tribe must BAN and SHUN the BAD tribe (and their cooties) as much as possible!
      The unvaccinated are now CLEAN and the vaccinated are UNCLEAN! Civic-minded BAD! Afraid of micro-chips in vaccines GOOD! Black is white, and good is evil!

      1. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago

        Cry harder.

        It isn’t that your team was so gullible they sheepishly accepted the vaccines without question, Cletus. It’s that you suppressed information and compelled everyone else to take your poisons.

        Now hurry along, you’re due for your 18th booster!

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          SQRLSY's team? The idea of SQRLSY being on a team is laughable.

    2. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

      This whole "how dare they" thing is performative in Robby's part. He was an advocate for the censorship and lockdowns hiding behind public health concern lies and a "private company" dodge when the truth was known of not proven yet.

      1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

        "He was an advocate for the censorship..."

        Citation please! Are you including things like "private owners of web sites are entitled to moderate their own web site"? Will you call it "censorshit" if I barge into your house and your private cocktail party, and start hollering shit that you don't approve of? Your kicking me out for this is "censorshit"... Right? If you call the cops (OMG! Agents of Government Almighty!) for advice on how best to kick me out of YOUR house... NOW we have Government Almighty censorshit, right? Or is it only when the facts and supposed "facts" fall in favor of you and YOUR tribe, that we have such a WIDE daffynition of censorshit?

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          Fuck off and die, spastic asshole.

      2. MT-Man   2 years ago

        Kind of like Tony in these old threads who I haven't seen since his position got demolished. Probably just moonlighting as Anime Kirkland.

        1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   2 years ago

          I thought he was just putting in more hours at the bathhouse as a hedge against Bidenflation.

      3. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        How dare he change his opinion as new facts come to light?

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          The facts aren't new you retarded shit. The facts are the same facts brought up here for years during the pandemic. You attacked the facts and the people who understood them. The facts didn't change. You just chose to ignore them while supporting the lefts narratives, pushing masks, and attacking those discussing the facts.

          1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

            This.

          2. Sevo   2 years ago

            Ya know, I've got an idea: Sarc is a lying pile of lefty shit.

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        2. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   2 years ago

          Sarc, why do you continue to embarrass yourself like this? Is it the booze?

        3. DesigNate   2 years ago

          I would accept that, if it wasn’t for the fact that people here have been saying all this for at least two years. Some people just called them Trump humpers and cultist because they didn’t accept the bureaucrats narrative.

          To Robby’s credit, I never read anything where he implied such.

          1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   2 years ago (edited)

            Robby appeared on The Wilkow Majority on XM this morning to discuss the article.

    3. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

      Rico lost most of his credibility when he said there was 'more than one definition for insurrection.' This 'causing harm' canard with the attendant wishcasting erodes more of it. Soon the soave pieces that are fact-based and center of individual rights will be less frequent than the resident lefties telling the truth.

      1. mad.casual   2 years ago

        Rico lost most of his credibility when he said there was ‘more than one definition for insurrection.’

        Started hemorrhaging with "to be sure"s. Replenished reserves calling out Sabrina Ederly, and then detonated the entire credibility storage vessel with "superficially credible accusations".

        Occasionally, he finds a hollowed out shard of the broken vessel and manages to pick it up and carry it for a little while without spilling all the contents.

    4. Minadin   2 years ago

      Yes, misinformation was spread online. It came from the CDC and NIAID . . .

  9. mad.casual   2 years ago

    COVID-19 vaccines causing magnetism

    They should've gone with this one. About as believable and trading myocarditis for mutant superpowers is way more cool.

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      And, second thought, LOL at FB for having to ask the CDC for the official take on the topic. "We can't flag that! It might be true!" Fleshy, carbon-based algorithms FTW!

  10. JesseAz   2 years ago

    JFree still believes.

    Surprised sarc isn't here claiming at least it isnt communist Russia.

  11. Set Us Up The Chipper   2 years ago

    This is actual fascism, not the pretend stuff.

    1. SimpleRules   2 years ago

      Orwell wrote history books, not dystopian fiction.

    2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

      Yawn. The drama over this is way overblown.

      A site where people post photos of their cats and their sourdough bread is not the place to be getting your health or political information.

      1. Utkonos   2 years ago

        I have NEVER posted a pic of sourdough bread on my Facebook wall. I plead the Fifth on that other one.

      2. Set Us Up The Chipper   2 years ago

        Gov colluding with Corp to censor is a problem regardless of what they censor.

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          So, the answer then is that Congress should pass a law to stop people in Federal government from engaging in this type of thing.

          1. I Callahan   2 years ago

            Yes, they should. And no, it's not overblown.

          2. Kungpowderfinger   2 years ago

            So, the answer then is that Congress should pass a law to stop people in Federal government from engaging in this type of thing.

            If only the founding fathers had felt more strongly about this, huh?

          3. Brian   2 years ago

            I think it’s called “the first amendment.”

            1. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago

              It's almost painful that you have to point that out to him.

      3. Brian   2 years ago

        “A site where people post photos of their cats and their sourdough bread is not the place to be getting your health or political information.”

        Then the government should stop manipulating social media, gain some credibility, and provide some valuable information delivery service, or something worth the budget.

        A government that’s lost all credibility can’t blame social media for its problems.

      4. Deb Bishop   2 years ago (edited)
      5. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago

        And yet, people do and that's why the government is trying to regulate the speech. Just becaue you don't like the idea that something has become the town square, doesn't alleviate the wrongness of the government trying to stifle it.

  12. swillfredo pareto   2 years ago (edited)

    One wonders whether these condemnations, from Biden and others in his administration…influenced Meta’s decision to delegate COVID-19 content moderation to the CDC.

    That is a great question. One suspects the condemnations played a sufficient role and for that, the Biden administration should face consequences. But One also believes they gave the typical Facebook executive the cover to do exactly what he or she wanted all along, which is lick the Biden administration’s balls. And for that, Facebook will face consequences.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      "And for that, Facebook will face consequences."

      What does that mean?

  13. Orenv   2 years ago

    Seems like any correspondence from a Government employee on a government computer can be compelled by congress. Just sayin.

  14. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago (edited)

    I’d still like to know how many “former” FBI, CIA, DHS, and miscellaneous other three letter agency bureaucrats are infesting Meta, Google, and the other Big Tech corporation's management teams. My guess is a lot.

    1. Nardz   2 years ago

      https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1608231209875963904?t=W7KqOmaGgVq8mXwdDCjLvw&s=19

      1/ THREAD #TwitterFiles

      @elonmusk slams CISA censorship network as 'propaganda platform.'

      This DHS-backed censorship consortium used 120 analysts to censor millions of social media posts on elections and covid-19.

      [Thread, links]

    2. Nardz   2 years ago

      https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1615834413149065218?t=qnIveZnC5BnpOITwzIFrbQ&s=19

      THREAD #OperationLockstep

      Robert Kennedy Jr explains how the CIA used the Covid-19 response to vastly increase top-down government, authoritarianism, and totalitarianism.

      "We're in a huge Milgram experiment here, we got Anthony Fauci in his white lab coat."

      [Thread, links]

      1. Utkonos   2 years ago

        What the heck would a Kennedy know about CIA malfeasance?

    3. Nardz   2 years ago

      https://twitter.com/DrewHLive/status/1616017444149264384?t=--OmYiP4qLmIIsGilk4QqA&s=19

      DAVOS WATCH: Director of FBI Christopher Wray says “the level of collaboration between the private sector and the government, especially the FBI has made significant strides”

      He states the FBI’s concern about technology getting into who they determine are the wrong hands #wef23

      [Video]

      1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

        So now they're openly bragging about it. I guess he must feel pretty confident that either not enough people will see this, or not enough people will actually care to make a difference at this point. Sadly, he's probably right.

    4. Nardz   2 years ago

      https://twitter.com/NameRedacted247/status/1604641866342756352?t=stCHr4zLg0cc7lAADSePwQ&s=19

      1. After learning that Twitter employs at least 15 former FBI agents, I searched Facebook. What I found is alarming

      Facebook currently employs at least 115 people, in high-ranking positions, that formerly worked at FBI/CIA/NSA/DHS:

      17 CIA
      37 FBI
      23 NSA
      38 DHS

      [Thread, links]

      1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

        Figures...

        1. Utkonos   2 years ago

          ISWYDT

  15. Use the Schwartz   2 years ago

    I wore the mask, TBH it didn't really bother me. I still wear one when I'm not feeling well. However, I recognized the ridiculousness of the double mask when I saw it. Seeing the pic of Walensky with her tragicomic double mask reminded me of her "impending doom" speech. Her reading from a script that she was going to "leave the script" would be hilarious in a Cohen Bros film. Unfortunately it was real.

    BTW I still haven't caught C19 even though both my wife and son did.

    1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   2 years ago

      Linus still has his security blanket too.

      1. Use the Schwartz   2 years ago

        Hey Ted, Fuck Off.

        1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   2 years ago

          Aaawwwww….. someone’s upset. Did you lose your binky?

    2. Zeb   2 years ago

      I have an anecdote too. I didn't wear a mask if I could help it. Wearing a mask really bothers me both for the physical and psychological discomfort and the message it conveys to others. I didn't avoid social interactions or really modify my life if I could help it. I haven't had any vaccines and never took a covid test. I may have been infected at some point, but if I have been it wasn't even to the level of a moderate cold. Pretty much everyone I work with who is vaccinated has been out sick multiple times with covid. I haven't taken a sick day in years.

      1. Use the Schwartz   2 years ago

        The latest data I could find, more than 85% of the US population has had C19. But they have also pretty much stopped tracking, so us "Novids" are an increasingly rare bunch. That said, that wasn't really the main thrust of my comment, the Walensky double mask was the real meat. But apparently my personal mask wearing behavior was a very shiny irresistible butterfly to some.

        1. MK Ultra   2 years ago (edited)

          Wear a mask if you’d like. It’s essentially talismanism, but people wear crucifixes to ward off vampires too, so whatever.

          However, those who forced the face diapers and jabs upon us, and engaged in governmentally-sponsored censorship/propaganda are subhuman scum who should be tipped out of helicopters. Wearing a mask, even if not physically discomforting, should bother you, if for no other reason than it ought to remind you of the wholesale fuckery that these hacks and their sheeple worshippers foisted upon us for two years.

          1. Chumby   2 years ago

            I wore cloves of garlic around my neck.

            1. Utkonos   2 years ago

              Garlic doesn’t work, boys!

              1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   2 years ago

                But it’s so delicious!

        2. Zeb   2 years ago

          Sorry if that came off too critical. I read it as at least a partial defense of masking. I'm kind of hung up on the total lack of rigor behind recommendations/mandates like masking. Apologies if I totally misread your comment.

          1. Use the Schwartz   2 years ago (edited)

            No problem, it seems that you weren’t alone.

            I wear a mask when I’m sick because I think it is polite to keep my germs to myself. I did it before C19, I’ll do it after. But I’m completely aware that it isn’t much protection for others. I’m not defending the mask mandates at all, I think they were stupid, but my point was the absurdity of Wolensky’s DOUBLE mask. Especially since we now know that she STILL caught C19 LOL!

            I also try not to cough on people, and I say “excuse me” when I sneeze. Doing so is polite, and is also completely ineffective at stemming the transmission of disease.

            1. Lawification   2 years ago

              Because the standard was set so incredibly low that if some grad student found a mildly significant association with walking backwards while humming and a 0.0001% reduction in COVID-19 cases, the CDC would declare it the next penicillin.

    3. justme   2 years ago

      why would you wear a mask? they are useless and accomplish nothing other than you looking like a low iq moron. it's nothing more than theater and leftist virtue signaling.

      1. Lawification   2 years ago

        asked and answered.

  16. NOYB2   2 years ago (edited)

    "Private companies" guys. Just remember, they are all "private companies"! /sarc

  17. Just Eric   2 years ago

    80% Walensky issued false information on both masking and vaccine effectiveness which she has not retracted. That she is still in power explains why we should distrust government and its claims to be able to judge mis-/dis-information.

  18. Sanjose Mike   2 years ago

    Because I am a retired doctor (owned a Medicare Certified Surgical Center), I watched both Government and various online medical sources, including "Medscape" online.

    Initially, when Trump was president, everything from Media came out with the purpose of "getting rid of Trump." Whether you liked him or hate him, we can both agree with the fact that MSM would do ANYTHING to get rid of him.

    That colored covered of the then "new" Covid. He did everything he could to get vaccines started and used. But I saw a narrative develop that Government pushed in every way possible, mostly pushing shutdowns.

    The question for me is "what about the next pandemic?" Will we permit Government to take it over? What if they make mistakes along the way? Should they FORCE you against your will?

    I generally favor freedom of speech and choice, even if you are not a doctor. Let people make up their own minds, even if their data is false. Let people have the final say for themselves. I realize some more transmission may be the result. But we are supposed to be living in a free country. That's the price we pay.

    Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
    Retired surgeon

    1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   2 years ago

      If they pull this shit again it will be time to stop them.

    2. Sevo   2 years ago

      "...The question for me is “what about the next pandemic?” Will we permit Government to take it over?..."

      The hell with the next 'crises': My question regards the possibility of clawing back the powers we've already handed over. Will we get those back?

  19. Winston in Wonderland   2 years ago

    Most of these e-mail chains appear to have been initiated by FB. Is there anything wrong with a private entity asking the Government for information?

    Facebook can ban whatever it wants. Asking the Government for information to inform that process seems prudent.

    1. The Last American Hero   2 years ago

      They can do what they want. They engaged in fraud when they claimed to be an online forum for discussion and actively engage in dnc propaganda, and hid the fact they were colluding with the deep state.

      1. Winston in Wonderland   2 years ago

        I'm not claiming that FB's action are above reproach. I'm simply saying that the fact that the CDC answered questions brought to it by FB isn't exactly an indictment of the CDC.

        1. Lawification   2 years ago

          It's a fair point.

        2. Sevo   2 years ago

          "I’m not claiming that FB’s action are above reproach. I’m simply saying that the fact that the CDC answered questions brought to it by FB isn’t exactly an indictment of the CDC."

          Depends on the handling.
          If I'm an honest journalist and contact an 'authority' regarding some possible controversy, that's gets listed as a cite in the article.
          If that 'authority' says "remove any content by X or claiming Y", I might still do it, but shame on the "authority" and it that, too, will get cited.
          Wanna be trusted? Earn it.

  20. Reverendcaptain   2 years ago

    This is the same Reason that for years has been telling us rubes that if we have concern about a social network platform, we should just start our own social network.
    Where the hell is the mea culpa guys?

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Please cite even one place where anyone at Reason said that.

      1. I Callahan   2 years ago

        You're not new here, so enough with the feigning ignorance.

        Reason has said that pretty much non-stop since its inception.

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          Mike is stupid enough to forget lies he told but hours ago, but that doesn't mean he's not called on it.

  21. Impeccable Compliance Environmental Yeoman (ICEY)   2 years ago

    Take note of the "claims" mantra. Simply making a "claim" about people's health is now government controlled and regulated. "Vaccine misinformation claims" are thus more regulated than journalists who publish national security secrets ... yet they both get their source of Constitutional rights from the same sentence in the First Amendment.

  22. James K. Polk   2 years ago

    This looks mostly like Facebook bending over and asking the CDC to fuck it in the ass, rather than the CDC demanding backdoor access or else. Of course the fuller picture may show otherwise, but while the CDC and Facebook were wrong here I doubt there are any 1A violations. The CDC should be ashamed, they should admit they were engaged in censorship, they should apologize and swear it off forever, but that will never happen. They'll just Lizzie Borden it and double down.

    1. Lawification   2 years ago

      That was my takeaway too.

      "Elections matter" or whatever.

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  24. FreedomFox   2 years ago

    Bread crumbs. Wouldn't it be nice if someone who has access to these emails could find the bread crumbs linking Jessica Hertz in her senior role in the Biden administration and her previous senior role as Facebook's top regulatory affairs lawyer? Maybe even those with her successor at FB, Mel Beras during 2021?

    Joe Biden hires Facebook executive Jessica Hertz for transition team
    NY Post, October 1, 2020
    nypost.com/2020/10/01/joe-biden-hires-facebooks-jessica-hertz-for-transition-team/
    "Joe Biden’s transition team has hired top Facebook executive Jessica Hertz as its general counsel to oversee ethical issues, as the campaign tussles with the social media giant to get it to censor President Trump’s posts, according to a report."
    "Earlier this week, the Biden campaign wrote a letter to Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, pushing him to regulate Trump’s postings and accusing the company of spreading disinformation.
    “Millions of people are voting. Meanwhile, your platform is the nation’s foremost propagator of disinformation about the voting process,” Biden campaign manager Jen O’Malley Dillon wrote.
    “Rather than seeing progress, we have seen regression.”"

    An ex-Facebook lawyer is Big Tech’s latest tie to the White House. Or is it?
    Vox, December 30, 2020
    https://www.vox.com/recode/22206646/joe-biden-jessica-hertz-facebook-staff-secretary-big-tech
    "President-elect Joe Biden’s selection of a former Facebook attorney to a senior role in his White House is serving as the latest flashpoint in the debate over how much influence the tech industry should have in Washington.
    Biden on Wednesday named Jessica Hertz, until this year a lawyer focused on regulatory affairs in Facebook’s DC office, as his staff secretary, a quietly powerful White House role that determines, for instance, what paperwork the president sees. Hertz is one of the highest-ranking aides serving Biden who recently was in the employ of a Big Tech company."
    "Hertz joined Facebook just after the Cambridge Analytica scandal broke in 2018 — igniting a new round of public scrutiny for the tech giant — and her legal portfolio focused on regulatory affairs, which culminated this month in an antitrust suit by the Federal Trade Commission. Hertz left Facebook in June, according to her LinkedIn page; in the fall, she was announced as the Biden transition team’s general counsel."

    This connection screams for investigation. Connects the censorship at Facebook to the highest levels of the Biden administration. Biden himself, by his own words.

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  26. RAYNHAM   2 years ago

    20.1.23. REASON SITE. FROM UK. RE CENSORSHIP BY MEDIA. The people on here need to wake up, this has been going on for over 40 yrs. We traipsed London Streets 12 accompanied by Victims of the establ. We knocked at doors We found crrptn every half mile. We refer to- HM Courts. HM Govt. HM Prisons. Hm Princes Trust. HM bar Council. HM CPS.Health service. HM Coroners. Police Home Office. Education. universities. Students. Charities. Affinity Groups. Lottery Board. 100s more. The Courts threatened to kill us. US Embassy offers violence. We are experiencing Police attacks. The media is not avail. Facebook destroyed 7 accounts. Also implicated is Twitter.Yahoo. GOOGLE. All ourwebsites destroyed. We are a Jewish family who came to UK to escape all this. Now we find Jewish Orgs going along with it. Dont just do something. Sit there. See you round the Wagnet Concert. JA !

  27. Think It Through   2 years ago

    This is a surprise how? This is news how? Didn't we know this was happening all along? CDC is the "expert" and social media's policy was "we let the experts control discourse."

    The fundamental problem is not how the CDC did or didn't interact with Facebook -- it's the false premise that "expertise" is a condition that precludes discourse or input by others.

  28. SimonP   2 years ago

    So - wait. If I, a private actor, am concerned about my business harming the public, and I go to the government to ask it to help me determine whether my business is, indeed, harming the public, and the government says yes - that is literal fascism?

    Am I getting this disingenuous spin right?

    1. Sevo   2 years ago

      So - wait. If I, a lying pile of lefty shit, invent a straw man and beat it to death, am I a lying pile of lefty shit?

    2. Sevo   2 years ago

      Oh, and fuck off and die, Simon.

  29. The Green Avenger   2 years ago

    So where are all the greedy class action lawyers???

    A civil rights class action suit with a hundred million clients should be pretty profitable!

  30. Shamie Ervin iv   2 years ago

    I posted on my FB page info supplied at the time by Dr. Li-Meng Yan, with links to her disturbing claims. Somebody at FB wrote on my page that Dr. Yan's info was erroneous and discredited. My daughter even raked me over the coals about the acrimonious debate, accused me of spreading fiction that had been debunked.

    A few days later all the information I had posted -- which was favorable to Dr. Yan's messages here in the USA -- was erased by FB agent(s). She had claimed she had proof that the Chinese military had altered the corona virus with new DNA for gain of function which enabled the virus, now airborne, to spread like wildfire and attack and kill humans. Thus the worldwide pandemic.

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  33. Liberty Lover   2 years ago

    When liberals can't defend their bad and destructive policies, they turn to censorship. If they are trying to shut people up, you know what they are doing is wrong.

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