No, Recycling Will Not Save the Environment
Despite what you may have heard, many "recyclables" sent to recycling plants are never recycled at all.

For decades, we've been told: recycle!
"If we're not using recycled paper, we're cutting down more trees!" says Lynn Hoffman, co-president of Eureka Recycling.
Recycling paper (or cardboard) does save trees. Recycling aluminum does save energy. But that's about it.
The ugly truth is that many "recyclables" sent to recycling plants are never recycled. The worst is plastic.
Even Greenpeace now says, "Plastic recycling is a dead-end street."
Hoffman often trucks it to a landfill.
Years ago, science writer John Tierney wrote a New York Times magazine story, "Recycling Is Garbage." It set a Times record for hate mail.
But what he wrote was true.
"It's even more true today," says Tierney in my new video. "Recycling is an industry that uses increasingly expensive labor to produce materials that are worth less and less."
It would be smarter to just dump our garbage in landfills.
People think landfills are horrible polluters. But they're not. Regulations (occasionally, government regulations are actually useful) make sure today's landfills have protective barriers so they don't leak.
Eventually, landfills are turned into good things: ski hills, parks, and golf courses.
But aren't we running out of landfill space? For years, alarmist media said we were. But that's not true.
In 1987, media gave lots of publicity to a garbage barge that traveled thousands of miles trying and failing to find a place to dump its load.
But that barge wasn't rejected because there was a lack of room. States turned the barge away after hysterical media suggested it contained "infectious waste." The Environmental Protection Agency later found it was normal garbage.
Landfills have plenty of room for that. In fact, America has more space than we will ever need. Sometimes states and businesses even compete to get our garbage.
"If you think of the United States as a football field," says Tierney, "all the garbage that we will generate in the next 1,000 years would fit inside a tiny fraction of the one-inch line."
Putting garbage in landfills is often much cheaper than recycling. My town would save $340 million a year if it just stopped recycling.
But they won't, "because people demand it," says Tierney. "It's a sacrament of the green religion."
The religion's commandments are complex. New York City orders me to: "Place recyclables at the curb between 4 PM and midnight….Rinse plastic containers.…Separate paper from plastic, metal, and glass." Paper must be tied "with twine into bundles no taller than 18 inches," and so on.
"That's one reason recycling fails," says Tierney. "It's so complicated; people never learn the rules."
Worse, some recycling is pointless or harmful.
"If you rinse a plastic bottle in hot water," Tierney points out, "the net result is more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than if you threw it in the garbage."
Since most plastic can't be recycled, what's the environmentalists' solution now?
"Stop producing it," says Greenpeace's John Hocevar.
Lots of environmental groups now want to ban plastic.
That's just silly. Plastic is useful. Using it often creates fewer emissions than its alternatives. Plastic bags create fewer than paper bags. A metal straw has to be used 150 times before it creates less pollution than a plastic straw.
Environmental groups rarely mention that, or how they misled us about recycling year after year.
"It's appalling that after telling people for three decades to recycle, they don't even apologize for all the time and money that they wasted," complains Tierney. "Instead, they have a proposal [banning plastic] that will make life even worse."
Plastic is not evil. Recycling is no climate savior. When Los Angeles mandated it, they added 400 big noisy garbage trucks.
That creates lots of pollution.
But environmentalists still demand we do things like pick through our trash and switch from plastic to paper bags that rip. California even banned small plastic shampoo bottles.
"Some of these rules are just so arbitrary and silly," complains Tierney. "It's simply a way for greens and for some politicians to pretend that they're saving the planet."
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California seems to be doing a thing where you aren't supposed to send food waste to the landfill. They say it rots and produces greenhouse gasses.
Their alternative is that it has to be composted. Except, as I recall, that's a process of letting the food waste rot.
I'm dubious.
"Except, as I recall, that’s a process of letting the food waste rot. "
Making compost involves more than that. It's more than dumping your organic waste in a pile and letting it rot. You need to turn the pile to make sure it's well mixed, add some water, but not too much, to hasten the process, and when ready, mix with sand, dirt or fine gravel to give your soil good drainage.
"you aren’t supposed to send food waste to the landfill. "
Because making compost involves more than letting food rot.
But it still releases greenhouse gasses. Probably faster than a landfill.
"But it still releases greenhouse gasses. "
I'd be more worried if it didn't release them.
Anaerobic bacteria breaks the food down too though much slower and typically with more unpleasant odor.
Instead the state should make everyone eat all of their food. No fun until you've cleaned your plate.
Reducing the amount of food that goes to waste is an obvious candidate to 'save the environment.' Whether the state is involved or not is up to us. The chemistry and physics remains the same.
"They say it rots and produces greenhouse gasses."
It will produce methane if it rots too slowly. And atmospheric methane concentration has more than doubled over the last 150 years.
They can easily speed up the process without generating much methane, but it requires the introduction of insects which can be reclaimed later and used as high protein animal feed.
"I’m dubious."
Why be dubious when you can simply educate yourself?
All of the information in the world is at your fingertips.
Why remain ignorant?
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"Regulations (occasionally, government regulations are actually useful) make sure today's landfills have protective barriers so they don't leak."
Stossel is a TRAITOR for praising Government Almighty!!! He must be a Demon-Crap!
(/Sarc, aping a few morons around here.)
LOL... Regulations for 'government' agencies at large...
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No, Recycling Will Not Save the Environment
No, Government Repression Will Not Save the Environment
No, Woke-ism Will Not Save the Environment
You will not save the environment.
You are worthless.
Recycling paper may save trees. Trees can be greater than a 100% renewable resource. If atmospheric CO2 levels are on the rise, those trees can grow even quicker.
Not really.
Paper is made from trees planted and grown like any other crop specifically to make paper, and those trees are not useful for any other purpose.
Georgia Pacific does not wander through old growth forests looking to chop down 100 year old trees. They plant and harvest from their own tree farms. Drive around Georgia, and you will forest after forest marked by GP signs.
Yes really. I sold trees off the woodlot where I live to a paper mill. Folks do monoculture for that purpose but that is not the only path. The better SPF went to a limber mill. The better maple went to a different mill for finished carpentry uses. The white birch went to a mill for making tongue depressors. Some of the ash may have been used for carpentry as well. The “junk” wood and chipped branches all went to make paper.
Right, so they aren't cutting down 100 year old trees to make paper, but using the waste from harvesting for other purposes. I think that's more or less what he said.
A stand of my hemlock harvested were well over 100 years old. Some of the other trees were also older than a century. I wouldn’t refer to that age as old growth but others may. The better pieces went to lumber mills but the vast majority of the mass went into making paper. Probably north of 90%. The paper mill was who wanted to do the cut and who had reached out.
Hell, much of Washington State is private forest land with mile after mile of farmed timber. The "Pacific" in Georgia-Pacific is there for a reason. It was a shock when I first went up there outside the urban beltway, because in my native state of California there's nearly zero private timber and people will freak if you mention it. It's all Federal Land here so yeah the logging does go in and find the biggest trees which means the old growth.
If you like land being forested, you should probably like paper companies using virgin pulp. A lot of land continues to be forested because paper and timber companies can make money that way, doing sustainable forestry.
Yes, trees can grow a bit quicker, and they are growing a bit quicker, but the ever increasing levels of atmospheric CO2 shows that they don't grow "quicker enough" to offset the rising CO2.
The environment doesn't need to be saved.
Don't litter, minimize pollution, and be smart about development.
The idea that climate can be controlled by humans, when the giant ball of fire millions of miles away is more powerful than anything we can fathom, is dangerous misanthropic hubris.
Stop conceding ground to the Marxists.
Earth's climate will be what it will be regardless of whether or not humans are here, as the sun will and always has dictated.
"The idea that climate can be controlled by humans, when the giant ball of fire millions of miles away is more powerful than anything we can fathom, is dangerous misanthropic hubris."
And yet, here we humans are, causing the globe to warm and climatic patterns to become more chaotic.
I take it that have never heard of this thing called science.
Are you still living in the dark ages on your fantasy planet?
And the science showing "global" cooling during WWII?? When more UN-regulated 'emissions' were being dumped than at any other point in that time?
Cherry-picking isn't 'science' it's propaganda. Heck 100% of the propaganda has failed to materialize... Still 'science'? What kind of 'science' would that be? Science Fiction?
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I think glass and iron/steel are economically recycled.
Not just aluminum and paper.
Aluminum is the most recyclable metal. Anheuser-Busch is the biggest aluminum recycler in the world and became so without government intervention.
Before mandatory recycling Reynolds and other aluminum processers paid people to bring their aluminum cans in.
Steel and glass are technically recyclable but it is rarely practical. The problem is not the raw material but the additives in them. Glass, for example, has to either be sorted by color before it can be recycled or you have to add a lot of expensive steps after to remove the chemicals that made some of the input green, brown, etc.
With steel, it's not the color but the carbon content that makes batching and efficient recycling so hard. Melting high and low carbon steel randomly together gives you an unpredictable result. The testing and remediation necessary to get a consistent result add a lot of cost - generally enough that your recycling business case is at best marginal and maybe a dead loss.
In both cases, commercial recycling is possible and cost-effective. (For example, remelting the scrap from your own production process.) But retail recycling is much harder and more expensive.
Plastic is the major issue with regards to recycling.
But in a sense it doesn't matter. Once separated, even landfill plastics will be able to be mined and recycled when the technology becomes available.
Even burning it and scrubbing the effluent of the chemicals used to produce the cross links in the polymer chains is a strong potential.
Everything should be separated and concentrated as far as possible to maximize to as great a degree as possible, the ability to recycle at a later date.
Plastics should not be put in landfills though. Just compressed and stored as cubes for future use.
The same is true of aluminum cans and other materials.
Unrecyclable paper I would convert to pellets for wood burning stoves, or burn directly as fuel.
It isn't rocket science but as usual Stossel and Reason, misrepresent everything to the point of it being a lie of misrepresentation.
How to pay for all that is the rub. Much is possible with unlimited funds. Talk about misrepresenting...reality.
Bravo JS! Bravo! You’re pretty much right on with this, based on conversations with people on the inside.
Newsprint (newspapers) is fine, so long as they don’t contain what is referred to as “coated paper” (think glossy inserts, of any weight). Ordinary household paper (envelopes, cereal boxes, bank statements) are good IF they don’t have plastic windows or the plastic bag that came inside cereal box. And aluminum is a massive energy saver, while steel / iron might be simply a more convenient source of raw materials, but plastics that everyone worries about??? Burn it! Turn it into energy. It’s a great way to sterilize it, and the nuisance of cleaning, sorting, shredding, etc just isn’t worth the effort.
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Years ago I worked in one of the largest recycle paper mills in the country [Georgia-Pacific in GB]...in the pulping division. Plastic windows/etc. in envelopes are largely fine. Pulpers have giant trash screens built into them the filter that stuff out. Coated paper is definitely more problematic and if bales come full of the stuff it is usually rejected at the (un)loading docks. Cereal boxes are alright...but such garbage is limited in that you can pretty much only make other cardboard things out of it. So its never going to be used to make paper. Although, I should say I worked at GP in the early 2000s, so things may have changed at this point.
"plastics that everyone worries about??? Burn it! Turn it into energy."
What do you do about the chlorine, fluorine and other radicals that are used to create the plastic by forming cross links in the hydrocarbon feed stock?
"the nuisance of cleaning, sorting, shredding, etc. just isn’t worth the effort."
Ah, that is the real problem isn't it? You are just lazy.
Yup. Aluminum is the best thing to recycle, the process is cheap and efficient. Paper is most recycled next, and is cheap and efficient, but used a shit ton of energy and chemical (bleach), and most you get out of it is that cheap ass wipe and Taco Bell napkins. Everything else is a scam. But it's a sacred scam so it's forbidden to criticize it.
Shoreline Amphitheater and park, next to the Googleplex in Mountain View, is all landfill. Hell, everything east of the freeway is dirt fill from construction. Thank your high rises for a nice park, golf course, major music venue, and Google.
On the flip side, we still have way too much packaging waste going on. People still haven't gotten that message yet. Not talking about those awful cardboard CD cases, ugh. Just the excessive cardboard and plastic and layers that just packaged whatever doodad I just bought. Government is NOT the solution here, but maybe people complaining to the manufacturers and shippers might be.
Unfortunately, the attitude of "If it's a good idea, then making it mandatory for everyone is a GREAT idea!" is way too prevalent anymore. That's how we ended up with just about every "common sense" law on the books, including mandatory recycling.
"Everything else is a scam. "
To a Libertarian, even existence is a scam.
You know.. Life is a ponzi scheme.
LOL. LIbertarians, the dumbest animals ever to have legs.
Environmental science is for people who fucking love science but can’t science.
Environmental science is just physics and chemistry, much like engineering.
Your ignorance makes me laugh.
People like you are why the U.S. so bad at everything.
Once upon a time ‘science’ was discovery of REALITY… Environmental science has thrown away that standard for a religion.
It doesn’t even deserve to be stated as a ‘science’ when it cannot even predict the reality of tomorrow yet pretends it can predict the weather in 20-years. Which predictably (as a religion) has a reality correspondence of 0%.
Good point. Maybe your shitstain Koch masters should stop providing materials to make so much useless plastic then that can't be recycled.
But hey- that would mean having a conscience and not fucking up the planet for future generations. Can't have that if it costs us (or doesn't get us) a buck huh?
Please toss your garbage into the bin. No need to share it. Thanks.
You can adjust your purchasing habits to avoid what you dislike.
“You can adjust your purchasing habits to avoid what you dislike.”
Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire.
You can only purchase what Capitalists provide. There is not infinite choice, so you are their slave.
Libertarians love corporate slavery.
Progress isn't rocket science. Why is the U.S. so bad at everything?
"Good point. Maybe your shitstain Koch masters should stop providing materials to make so much useless plastic then that can’t be recycled."
Simple solution. Begin to limit plastic production until the plastics industry starts to fund plants that recycle their plastics.
Libertarians and Republican scumbags will oppose such common sense legislation.
Introduce them one by one to a national razor.
Today's landfills are heavily engineered and much safer, less polluting than older landfills. That said they are not easy to site. My city is currently trying to site a new landfill for use a few years down the road. The NIMBYs are out in force. The city could look father out away from the city but then cost rise and that is not popular.
Much of what John Stossel said is true, but that does not mean giving up. Just putting stuff in the landfill will shorten landfill life and so it not the best solution. There are also plenty of things that can be recycled like metals, glass and paper. What I would like to see is recycling on a personal level coupled with the free market. Have people sort at home and take the sorted material to a private recycler. Couple this with a pay for what you send to the landfill would be a great way to go.
"There are also plenty of things that can be recycled like metals, glass and paper. "
The problem is recycling costs money. Once soft drink manufacturers produced, distributed, collected and reused glass bottles, and paid at each step. A great loss of potential profits. The situation was remedied by the introduction of single use disposable plastic bottles, where the cost, more litter and pollution, was borne by the public.
Everybody pays for landfills, including soda makers, Watermelon Rickshaw Boy!
"Everybody pays for landfills,"
The soft drink producers and others used to bear those costs. They've been foisted now onto 'everybody.'
Yes. It is a basic flaw of Capitalism that corporations are permitted to externalize their costs - pollution, production, wages - onto society at large.
It is the principle way they make their profits.
The U.S. should put an end to that.
It isn't rocket science. Why is the U.S. so bad at everything?
Why is plastic put in a landfill when it should be sorted compressed and stored as cubes available for future processing?
In my upstate NY county we've been required separate recyclables into special bins for a couple of decades. For years it's been an open secret that cardboard, steel, and aluminum are the only items actually recycled. Glass, plastic, and regular paper get sorted out and taken to the landfill.
"For years it’s been an open secret that cardboard, steel, and aluminum are the only items actually recycled."
This is probably what provides the impetus for the banning of single use disposable plastic items like straws.
Well maybe they shouldn't gotten themselves into a problem they created and come up with a solution that'll make the problem even worse.
"a solution that’ll make the problem even worse."
All solutions make the problem worse for somebody. Think of all those who make and sell plastic straws heading for a life of destitution. You want a solution that makes everyone happy? Maybe try heaven.
Why don’t they make their plastic straws bio-degradable by using starch as an input feed stock and ensuring that the resulting plastic rapidly degrades with exposure to water and U.V.?
It isn’t rocket science. Why are Americans so bad at everything?
Straws aren't single use. You could stick them up your nose and snort opium, Watermelon Rickshaw Boy.
It's called chasing the dragon. And no self respecting junkie would use anything less than a rolled up $20.
There are coke addicted sea turtles that use plastic straws. Saw some ad about it. Some marine biologist conducted an intervention.
Some marine biologist conducted an intervention.
I like the ethical code of the recreational scuba diver: touch nothing.
Paper straws are much more reasonable. They need to have smooth ends though to simulate smooth plastic.
It isn't rocket science. Why are Americans so bad at everything?
"For decades, we've been told: recycle!"
We've been told to reduce, recycle and reuse. Plastics are not readily recycled. That's where reduce comes in. Disposable plastic items like straws, cutlery etc are being banned all over the place. We can take comfort in the fact that the days when we're being told to recycle plastics are coming to an end.
And what happens when that plan ultimately fails? What are you gonna do about it?
Form a committee that recommends increasing taxes either directly or via fees on products that get passed on to the consumers. For a blueprint, see the tobacco taxes.
"And what happens when that plan ultimately fails?"
There are always more plans where that came from. We're called homo sapiens for a reason.
You forgot the Reuse part. Maybe you could smelt together plastics and make a new Rickshaw, Watermelon.
But environmentalists still demand we do things like pick through our trash and switch from plastic to paper bags that rip. California even banned small plastic shampoo bottles.
Ackshuyally, the plastic bags rip precisely because they are typically recycled.
Paper bags, when they have a firm foundation on the bottom and when product box edges line up with the bag edges, hold up splendidly.
The German-based grocers Aldi and Lidl have the right idea. At their stores, you can have paper, plastic, or vinyl...as long as you pay for them.
This encourages customers to reuse bags, which uses less energy than recycling.
Also, it makes customers aware that there's a cost to the capital used in business, so it's a mini-lesson in Economics.
I found this also on a recent visit to Seattle, you buy your grocery bags. This is a great idea that builds on capitalism. Don't resort to bans, just make people pay if they want to use plastic.
"Ackshuyally, the plastic bags rip precisely because they are typically recycled. "
You mean re-used. Recycling involves breaking it down to constituent parts and making something anew. Reusing is using something you've used before. It could be other people having used the bag in question, too.
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I just burn everything except plastic
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