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Forget Russia's Twitter Trolls—America's Censorious Officials Are a Bigger Threat

Researchers: Moscow’s social media meddling had little impact on the 2016 election.

J.D. Tuccille | 1.11.2023 7:00 AM

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After years of hyperventilating over the alleged perils to American democracy posed by foreign shitposts, it looks like Moscow's social media campaign to influence U.S. elections accomplished little, say researchers.

That is, Russian tweets had little effect, unless you count the boost it gave to the careers of pundits bloviating about the supposed vulnerability of our political system. In fact, with this study dropping in the midst of competing revelations about political shenanigans, it appears the government that meddled the most in American politics is the one based in Washington, D.C.

As reported by Reason's Robby Soave, New York University's Center for Social Media and Politics looked into the impact of Russia's social media campaign to influence the 2016 presidential election. The results, published in Nature Communications, suggest Vladimir Putin didn't get much bang for his rubles.

"Taking our analyses together, it would appear unlikely that the Russian foreign influence campaign on Twitter could have had much more than a relatively minor influence on individual-level attitudes and voting behavior," wrote authors Gregory Eady (University of Copenhagen), Tom Paskhalis (Trinity College, Dublin), Jan Zilinsky (Technical University of Munich), Richard Bonneau, Jonathan Nagler, and Joshua A. Tucker (all of New York University). "We did not detect any meaningful relationships between exposure to posts from Russian foreign influence accounts and changes in respondents' attitudes on the issues, political polarization, or voting behavior."

Or maybe Putin was happy with the results. There's always been a hint that the social media campaign was mostly an inexpensive means for Russia's strongman to demonstrate his country could still tweak America's tail decades after the collapse of the Soviet empire. The frenzy of high-profile finger-pointing into which it sent U.S. politicians and talking heads certainly met that standard.

"Foreign influence campaigns may also succeed through second-order effects: those effects that are achieved by provoking a domestic reaction to the intervention itself," the authors note of this point. "Russia's foreign influence campaign on social media may have had its largest effects by convincing Americans that its campaign was successful."

Interestingly, this study appears amidst revelations that the U.S. government itself has been doing a lot of meddling in domestic politics. The Twitter Files published by journalists given access to internal documents by new owner Elon Musk, and a lawsuit against the federal government by Louisiana and Missouri, show officials pressuring private firms to suppress disfavored stories, ideas, and voices.

"We present evidence pointing to an organized effort by representatives of the intelligence community (IC), aimed at senior executives at news and social media companies, to discredit leaked information about Hunter Biden before and after it was published," Michael Shellenberger reported last month of the story suppressed in the lead-up to the 2020 election.

"The federal government colluded with Big tech social media companies to violate Americans' right to free speech under the First Amendment," Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey charged January 9. "Today's documents display White House Digital Director Robert Flaherty and his team's efforts to censor opposing viewpoints on major social media platforms, such as Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram."

That's not to say that Russia's government doesn't want to interfere in American elections. It's eager to see friendly faces installed by voters here and elsewhere around the world. So is the United States government, for that matter. Meddling in other people's elections is an old and nasty game.

"Great powers frequently deploy partisan electoral interventions as a major foreign policy tool," Dov Levin, then of UCLA and now at the University of Hong Kong, wrote in 2016 for the International Studies Quarterly. "For example, the U.S. and the USSR/Russia have intervened in one of every nine competitive national level executive elections between 1946 and 2000." Levin expanded on the topic in 2020's Meddling in the Ballot Box.

"I was alarmed in 2016 by how policymakers and commentators frequently described Russian interference in our election as unprecedented," agreed the Wilson Center's David Shimer, who wrote Rigged, published in 2020. "Many former CIA officers told me in interviews that they viewed the '48 operation in Italy as the agency at its best. And in the aftermath of that operation, as the CIA's chief internal historian put it to me, the agency and the KGB went toe to toe in elections all over the world."

"Methods ranged from providing funding for their preferred side's campaign (a tactic employed by the Soviet Union in the 1958 Venezuelan elections) to public threats to cut off foreign aid in the event of victory by the disfavored side (as the United States did during the 2009 Lebanese elections)," noted Levin in his 2016 study.

So now the list of foreign election meddling tactics can be amended with the addition of bogus social media accounts and shitposts. It's not nice, but it's nothing new. And, frankly, it would take an especially fragile political system to fall to an onslaught of trolls. Especially when posts supposedly intended to shift opinion are executed with the not-so-deft hand Moscow brings to so many of its dealings.

"The Russian efforts were sometimes crude or off-key, with a trial-and-error feel, and many of the suspect posts were not widely shared," Scott Shane observed in 2017 for The New York Times.

It's not so surprising, then, that researchers find Russian tweets had little impact on the 2016 election.

On the other hand, U.S. government officials pressuring private companies to act as end-runs around First Amendment protections for free speech is a bigger deal than such clumsy intervention. They abuse the threat inherent in their official positions to bypass restraints on state power, muzzling challenges to their policies and discussions of news stories that might influence election outcomes in ways they don't like. Vladimir Putin and his cronies can only dream of so effectively subverting the principles of individual freedom and an open society.

There are certainly malicious actors on the world stage who intend harm to Americans and their institutions. But it's impressive how often the domestic government officials pointing to alleged perils overseas turn out to be the real threats to our liberty.

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  1. Minadin   2 years ago

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-ban-gas-stoves-climate-change/

    Snopes maintains that the proposed national gas stove ban claims are 'mixed / false' because they aren't all due to climate change and haven't been enacted YET.

    1. Chumby   2 years ago

      Snopes suggesting folks simmer down on this.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        They put it on the back burner.

      2. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

        This story gives me gas!

        (In my day, we told hitchhikers, "Gas, grass or ass; nobody rides for free!" Looks like we'll have to give UP on that gas, now!)

      3. mad.casual   2 years ago

        The bans aren't even cooking with gas yet, they've barely even got the pilot lit.

      4. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago

        Snopes is leftist propaganda.

  2. rbike   2 years ago

    I for one switched my vote from Hilary to Trump based on these Russian tweets. Must be millions more like me Still kicky myself over that mistake. /S

    1. Quicktown Brix   2 years ago

      Don't feel bad. I write-in voted Boris Badenov.

      1. Minadin   2 years ago

        Could be worse, I voted for Johnson.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

          Me too. But I felt confident that Bill Weld would keep Gary on the libertarian path.

    2. Djea3   2 years ago

      It seems that you fail to realize that there has NEVER been a President who was attacked so constantly and brutally by the opposing party. From the date of his primary win it got worse and worse daily. It included criminal conspiracy of the democrat party and its leaders and foreign spies hired to falsify documents and create false witness. Money changed hands.
      Then the REAL attacks but he left started. No president in history has ever been attacked in any manner such as this.
      And somehow you believe that Trump was the problem? No you yourself are most likely the problem for believing lies and not understanding that the attacks against Trump were NOT in any way normal or rational.
      The fact that social media was enlisted by the Dem Party, Dem Leaders, and the FBI against Trump and conservatives in General, as well as against FACT and TRUTH in order to maintain CONTROL of the people should have waved red flags in your face. Instead you choose willful ignorance.

  3. Mickey Rat   2 years ago (edited)

    File this under “Things That Should Have Been Obvious in 2017”.

    Seriously, we spent years investigating this conspiracy theory the Democrats worked themselves into a hissy fit over because they could not accept Hilliary Clinton being rejected.

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      File this under “Things That Should Have Been Obvious in 2017”.

      My first thought (or similar) too: 6 yrs. too late.

    2. Djea3   2 years ago

      It was NOT a conspiracy theory. IT was a Conspiracy to frame the President for acts he did not commit. The Dems, HRC and many other dem leaders organized and paid a foreign spy to create false facts and deliver them for investigation.
      In any NORMAL world all all of those involved would be in PRISON and the President would have been able to do his actual job instead of defending against false accusations and framed facts.

  4. JesseAz   2 years ago

    Still not a proper mea culpa by reason.

    Lately reason seems to only take a libertarian view after the fact and after the damage is done. See covid.

    1. Chumby   2 years ago

      Did Reason weigh in on amnesty?

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        ENB posted the amnesty call in a morning roundup.

        1. Chumby   2 years ago

          Then they haven’t taken a libertarian view on it. Strange since she is a libertarian (tm).

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Most libertarian person Robbie knows.

            1. Chumby   2 years ago (edited)

              She’s the most libertarian (tm) person all of us know.

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      Almost like it's intentional.

  5. Chumby   2 years ago

    Did this false narrative affect the 2020 elections?
    Did this false narrative affect the 2022 midterms?
    What was the government cost of this witch-hunt?

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      I think all this qualifies as more of a coup attempt than protesting inside the capitol building.

  6. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

    IT WAS HER TURN!

  7. Gozer the Gozarian   2 years ago

    "And, frankly, it would take an especially fragile political system to fall to an onslaught of trolls."

    Sure, just look at the movie "The Great Hack" and reflect on your statement above.

  8. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

    Remember, the overhype of Russian influence on the 2016 election directly led to the justification of pressuring social media platforms to censor speech and information on politics and Covid the Democrats did not want in the public domain. These are not separate issues. It is a daisy chain of malicious attempts to influence public opinion.

    1. Chumby   2 years ago

      Yet the author wants to make it seem like it was just a blown call by a referee without future ramifications.

    2. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

      So then the "fix" is clearly that we must for vote "Team R" and for Trump, who we can TRUST to NEVER attempt to push and shove privately owned web sites around, for political purposes!

      https://www.npr.org/2020/05/28/863932758/stung-by-twitter-trump-signs-executive-order-to-weaken-social-media-companies

      Stung By Twitter, Trump Signs Executive Order To Weaken Social Media Companies

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Your whole narrative is falling apart and instead of being horrified that you were lied to by the FBI, the DNC and the media, you double down on the lies instead.

        Now that's tribalism.

        1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

          You resent the hell out of the fact that many other people are flat-out, better, more honest people than you are, right? More “live and let live”, and WAAAY less authoritarian?
          https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/in-love-and-war/201706/why-some-people-resent-do-gooders
          From the conclusion to the above…
          These findings suggest that we don’t need to downplay personal triumphs to avoid negative social consequences, as long as we make it clear that we don’t look down on others as a result.

          SQRLSY back here now… So, I do NOT want you to feel BAD about YOU being an authoritarian asshole, and me NOT being one! PLEASE feel GOOD about you being an evil, lying asshole! You do NOT need to push me (or other REAL lovers of personal liberty) down, so that you can feel better about being an asshole! EVERYONE ADORES you for being that asshole that you are, because, well, because you are YOU! FEEL that self-esteem, now!

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            You're not a do-gooder. You're the opposite of a do-gooder. You're an evil, censorious, authoritarian fuck who manufactures excuses for tyranny.

            1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

              The intelligent, well-informed, and benevolent members of tribes have ALWAYS been feared and resented by those who are made to look relatively worse (often FAR worse), as compared to the advanced ones. Especially when the advanced ones denigrate tribalism. The advanced ones DARE to openly mock “MY Tribe’s lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD! Your tribe’s lies leading to violence against MY Tribe BAD! VERY bad!” And then that’s when the Jesus-killers, Mahatma Gandhi-killers, Martin Luther King Jr.-killers, etc., unsheath their long knives!

              “Do-gooder derogation” (look it up) is a socio-biologically programmed instinct. SOME of us are ethically advanced enough to overcome it, using benevolence and free will! For details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .

              In conclusion, troglodytes, thanks for helping me to prove my points!

              Then they crucified Jesus, 'cause Jesus made them look bad! ALSO because Jesus made them look bad FOR THEIR STUPID, HIDE-BOUND TRIBALISM! "The parable of the Good Samaritan" was VERY pointed, because the Samaritans were of the WRONG tribe, in the eyes of "Good Jews" of the day.

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              2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                A heckler's veto shitpost isn't a counter-argument.

    3. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

      https://reason.com/2019/03/01/josh-hawley-section-230-big-tech-cpac/ Sen. Josh Hawley Rails Against ‘Big Tech,’ Anti-Conservative Bias, and Section 230

      https://reason.com/2019/06/25/the-moral-scolds-new-illiberal-right-internet-hawley-230/ The Moral Scolds of the New Illiberal Right Are Coming For Your Internet
      From Sohrab Ahmari to Josh Hawley, what the new right really wants is to squelch free expression.

      TRUST in us, just TRUST in us, they say!!!

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Fuck off you censorious authoritarian shill. 230's Good Samaritan clause led to the biggest violation of the First Amendment in American history.

        1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

          Liar! Go read about what Woodrow Wilson and cronies did during WW I!

          (If someone looks at you funny, Perfect You calls that "genocide", don't You?)

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          2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            "Liar! Go read about what Woodrow Wilson and cronies did during WW I!"

            Irrelevant, what is relevant is what the FBI, DHS, CIA and the Administration did using the Good Samaritan clause right fucking now.

            1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

              You're beyond pathetically and pathologically full of shit!

              https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200531/23325444617/hello-youve-been-referred-here-because-youre-wrong-about-section-230-communications-decency-act.shtml

              1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                The fact that the government was actually using the clause to spy and censor demonstrates your Techdirt article from 2020 was garbage propaganda.

                The real problem here is that even though the Twitter files have proven that article to be garbage propaganda, you're still trying to use it to deceive. What a piece of shit you are.

                1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                  Just ONE of the MANY real problems here is that the Twitter files were SELECTIVELY AND PARTIALLY released by politically and otherwise biased Elonites!!! Who knows HOW much bullshit was pulled at Twitter-twatter-tweakers AT THE BEHEST OF JOSH HAWLEY ETC.!!! But THOSE kinds of things are NOT revealed to us!

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files from there…

                  The installment releases have been criticized for alleged shortcomings, including exaggerating the contents’ significance, omissions of context, outright mendacity, partial reporting, conclusions reached in the reporting with counterclaims against, and described as “an egregious example of the very phenomenon it purports to condemn—that of social-media managers leveraging their platforms for partisan ends”.

                  SQRLSY comments: Note partial reporting… The INTERNAL EMAILS WERE NOT ALL RELEASED!!!! They were SELECTIVELY RELEASED!!! Ye mendacious liars!!!!

                  Hence also from there “calls for the full release of all documents for the sake of transparency…” Hello, liar!!!!

                  1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                    were SELECTIVELY AND PARTIALLY released by politically and otherwise biased Elonites!!!

                    They're complete unedited emails, you propaganda spewing piece of shit. If you bothered to read them you'd realize how retarded you sound right now.

                    The fact that your making excuses for government censorship on behalf of the DHS and FBI, demonstrates you're no libertarian.

                    1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                      READ THE FUCKING QUOTES from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files ... Liar! Is Wiki now mind-controlled by the Lizard People, or WHAT, Perfect Twat? "Paranoia will destroy-ya", ya know!!!

            2. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

              You and Your Fellow Perfect chuckle-fucked, ditto-headed air-hairs make up shitty phrases, thinking that they will then mean something! And THAT is a violation of the operational Schwigglerheimenfuchlerbouchter parameters of the orgasmic algorithmic detection-deflection schema!

              1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                What was made up, you spastic hunk of trash? Give us an example.

                1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                  So-called "Good Samaritan clause" with respect to S-230, babbling bullshitter!

                  1. Sevo   2 years ago

                    Fuck off and die, TDS-addled spastic asshole

                  2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

                    Are you honestly trying to pretend that 230’s Good Samaritan clause doesn’t exist or something?

                    (c) Protection for “Good Samaritan” blocking and screening of offensive material

                    (1) Treatment of publisher or speaker

                    No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.

                    (2) Civil liability

                    No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of –

                    (A) Any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be

                    obscene,
                    lewd,
                    lascivious,
                    filthy,
                    excessively violent,
                    harassing,
                    or
                    otherwise objectionable,
                    whether or not such material is constitutionally protected; or

                    (B) Any action taken to enable or make available to information content providers or others the technical means to restrict access to material described in paragraph ([A]).

                    (d) Obligations of interactive computer service

                    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230

                    You’re such an idiot, Shillsy.

                    1. Chumby   2 years ago

                      The voices in his head disagree with you. At least most of them.

                    2. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                      "(c)Protection for “Good Samaritan” blocking and screening of offensive material"

                      Just a label added by bystanding eggheads, babbling about what the law actually says... Much ado about nothing!

                      Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer imagines Herself Perfectly Judging who is a REAL “Good Samaritan”, and who is NOT! Since good v/s evil is reversed in Her Perfectly Twisted Mind, She would MUCH prefer... “EVIL Samaritans”!!!!

                    3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      IT'S PART OF 230 YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

                      Do you mean to tell us you've never actually read 230?! All that shitposting and you didn't actually read it for yourself?

                    4. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                      https://www.congress.gov/117/meeting/house/111407/documents/HHRG-117-IF16-20210325-SD013.pdf

                      Why Section 230 Isn't Really a Good Samaritan Provision

                      (And by the way, the cited doc here says some shit that is... Full of shit! It argues in favor of punishing people... FOR THE WRITINGS OF OTHERS!!! Just like evil Mammary-Fuhrers do!)

                      "Good Samaritan" is NOT a phrase that appears in S-230 itself, and is just a label that some chuckle-fucks have applied to it. And quite simply... If "Good Samaritans" are such horrible beasts, then EVIL Samaritans is what You want, isn't it? And what are the EVIL Samaritans telling us to do today? Stick "illegal sub-human" children in cages, separate them from their MomDads, or both? Good is Evil, and Evil is Good, now, right, right-wing wrong-nuts?

                    5. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                      OK, I was wrong. The full text of the S-230 law ONCE mentions "Good Samaritan" as a label, in quotes. IT IS JUST A LABEL to a paragraph!!!

                      https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2011-title47/pdf/USCODE-2011-title47-chap5-subchapII-partI-sec230.pdf

                      So, all of Ye Perfect People... WHY is it SUCH a GOOD thing, to PUNISH-PUNISH-PUNISH people for NOT Quite Perfectly moderating THEIR web sites, with Perfect YOU defining "Perfect Moderation"? WHY must you be SUCH power pigs?

  9. JimboJr   2 years ago

    I, and everyone that wasnt a democrat libtard resistance winemom, forgot about the Russian trolls 5 minutes after they were made up.

    They were always Hillary-cope, and nothing more. Everyone with a brain knew this long ago

  10. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

    So all it takes is someone else doing your job and rubbing your nose in the obvious lies you're spreading for you to provide a half-hearted "moving along".

  11. Cyto   2 years ago

    Someone else... someone way over there was hyperventilating about Russian trolls.

    Definitely not me... those other people.

    How hard can you roll your virtual eyes before you risk injury?

    1. Cyto   2 years ago

      Shorter version

      https://youtu.be/vD94dVu8lqQ

      1. mad.casual   2 years ago

        If you think Tuccille is stuck partying with you in Nakatomi Towers rather than on the ground with the FBI, you're mistaken.

        1. Chumby   2 years ago

          Nakatomi Towers? Wasn’t that the place where that activist Hans Gruber guy was killed by police brutality? His death went without an adequate followup investigation. I think he had a brother named Simon that supported “Defund the police”.

  12. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    alleged perils to American democracy posed by foreign shitposts, it looks like Moscow's social media campaign to influence U.S. elections accomplished little, say researchers.

    Why yes, this new narrative was established days ago.

    Russian disinformation = No effect on 2016 election.

    Twitter NOT running with HUNTER BIDEN DICK PICS in 2020? = Flipped the election to Sleepy Joe!

    It all makes sense now!

    1. Cyto   2 years ago

      You might be mentally ill.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        Saith the Trump Cultist.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          The only cultist here is you for soros.

          You continue to believe in the Russian hoax while deflecting from the Hunter laptop regarding business dealings.

          You aren't fooling anybody.

        2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Anyone that goes around squawking that Trump was the demiurge like you do, is a far bigger cultist than someone who thought he did a good job as president.

          Now tell us again how Schwab and Soros are going to save the universe.

      2. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

        "You might be mentally ill."

        All of those who disagree with MEEEE are… Mentally ILL!!! YES, this! Good authoritarians KNOW this already!

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union#:~:text=During%20the%20leadership%20of%20General,that%20contradicted%20the%20official%20dogma.

        All of the GOOD totalitarians KNOW that those who oppose totalitarianism are mentally ill, for sure!!!

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          So have you ever spent time in a psych ward, Shillsy?

          1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

            The time that I spend reading insane lies RIGHT HERE from crazy lying bitches like Perfect You sure makes me feel like I am in a madhouse, yes!

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              So have you ever spent time in an actual psych ward as a patient, Shillsy?

              1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                So have you ever spent time worshitting the Evil One, Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer? (No need to answer; I already KNOW!!! By Your Own Perfect Words, ye are already condemning Your Very Own Precious Perfectly Selfish Self! And that horrible rotten SMELL is wafting ALL the way down from Inner Islamic Canuckistanistanistanistan, and polluting my nostrils, ass we speak here, at my home in West Bajooockistan!)

                Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer, Supreme Demonic Director of Decay, Destruction, and Death, will now SPEAK! HARKKK silently and RESPECTFULLY, all ye lowly heathens, as She Directs Death, and announces WHICH few of us MIGHT deserve to live, and WHO all deserves to DIE-DIE-DIE!!!

                https://reason.com/2022/01/25/did-these-three-officers-willfully-deprive-george-floyd-of-his-constitutional-rights/?comments=true#comment-9323626
                “You should really join ᛋᛋqrlsy, ᛋᛋhrike. You two goosestepping fascists offing yourselves would definitely be a mitzvah.”

                -Quote MammaryBahnFuhrer the "Expert Christian Theologian", AKA Mother’s Lament, with a head full of cement

                So Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer, Supreme Demonic Director of Decay, Destruction, and Death... WHEN are You going to STOP stealing the IDs of Your victims, and then posting kiddie porn in THEIR names, and then blaming THEM?

                Inquiring minds want to KNOW, dammit!

                1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

                  “You should really join ᛋᛋqrlsy, ᛋᛋhrike. You two goosestepping fascists offing yourselves would definitely be a mitzvah.”

                  The time to act is now, Shillsy.

                  1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                    Doubling down on Yer Perfect Evil, now, are Ye, Oh Perfect Servant-Serpent of the Evil One?

                    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      I've never stopped encouraging you.

      3. Unicorn Abattoir   2 years ago

        Might be?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          My thoughts as well. "Might be"? SPB2 is only outclassed in mental illness by Sqrlsy. And not by much, I might add.

    2. JimboJr   2 years ago

      How about we take the supposed effect/non-effect away and compare the two shall we?

      Russian trolls were - at best, very few, unseen by the mass majority of voters, and not American citizens or govt

      Hunter Biden story was - hidden under pressure from OUR govt, as an in-kind campaign contribution to a candidate that the FBI found favorable

      So all things equal, if they both have absolutely zero effect, which one of these is worse?

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        And both narratives favorable to the left pushed by major media as well as the IC.

      2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        in-kind campaign contribution to a candidate that the FBI found favorable

        You mean Trump? A week before the election Comey released a statement that Hil-dog was under further investigation for her emails.

        The left went ballistic that the FBI tilted the 2016 election at the last moment.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

          The information Comey knew for 2 months but had to get ahead of the story because FBI agents were about to leak the evidence of more emails involving her work found on Abedins laptop that Hillary claimed were just wedding planning? He was forced into it as he was hiding it prior.

          After Comey declared no charges as if he was the DA?

        2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          the FBI tilted the 2016 election at the last moment.

          Was the information true or not?

          And also the FBI released the bare minimum it could, they hid the more egregious stuff until after. You owe a huge debt of gratitude to Comey for that.

      3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        It is worse that the FBI was suggesting instances of censorship to social media. As one commenter (sorry, I forgot his name) suggested yesterday, we should pass a law clamping down on this type of government activity.

        Having said that, both stories are way overblown in the amount of partisan concern posturing that has been perpetrated in relationship to them.

        1. Foo_dd   2 years ago

          "Having said that, both stories are way overblown in the amount of partisan concern posturing that has been perpetrated in relationship to them."

          ^^^this. the reality is that the trolls and the Hunter Biden story were both things that only influenced people who were already too partisan for it to change who they voted for. despite the way both show flaws in the way social media operates they both are only ever brought up for political posturing.

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            Mike - "Having said that, both stories are way overblown in the amount of partisan concern posturing that has been perpetrated in relationship to them."

            Shrike - " the reality is that the trolls and the Hunter Biden story were both things that only influenced people who were already too partisan for it to change who they voted for."

            Looks like the ActBlue talking-points were emailed out.

            "The biggest censorship and spy campaign in American history, suppression of evidence of a VP taking bribes and the manufactured lies that formed the basis for a presidential impeachment, are just minutia to be squabbled over by partisans and are of no concern."

            To put it on the chart:

            It’s Not Real
            It’s Russian Disinfo
            It’s Real But Doesn’t Matter <-- Mike and Shrike
            It Matters But Not Very Much
            This is Old News
            Shut Up Racist

            1. Foo_dd   2 years ago (edited)

              STFU, you brainwashed piece of shit. i didn’t say iit didn’t matter, i said the reason it matters gets lost because stupid fucks like you are too interested in flinging poo at each other to ever actually do anything about anything. people screwing with social media in 2016 was no big deal, but facebook flags your dank memes…. holy fucking shit.

              1. Sevo   2 years ago

                "...people screwing with social media in 2016 was no big deal,.."

                Details, please, shitbag.

                1. Foo_dd   2 years ago

                  read the article.

                  1. Sevo   2 years ago

                    Oh, yes, that's right! The russkis posted two gifs! The horror!
                    JUST LIKE a US federal agency directing suppression of information damaging to one of the POTUS candidates just prior to the election!
                    No wonder you're considered such a pile of shit.

                    1. Foo_dd   2 years ago

                      like i said.... not a surprise that you don't read so good.

                    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      He read just fine. You're the one lying about it here.

                    3. Sevo   2 years ago

                      "like i said…. not a surprise that you don’t read so good."

                      Your stupidity was never in question. The depths of your stupidity are eye-opening.
                      Attempting to equate the russki tricks to the efforts of an arm of the US federal government to influence a presidential election might be a calculated try on the part of a slimy pile of lefty shit, but abysmal stupidity explains it more neatly.
                      Fuck off and die, TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

                    4. Foo_dd   2 years ago

                      sorry you are too stupid to understand that neither had any impact on any election. the only impact of either was on the amount of shit flung by you dim witted howling monkeys.

                    5. Sevo   2 years ago

                      "sorry you are too stupid to understand that neither had any impact on any election. the only impact of either was on the amount of shit flung by you dim witted howling monkeys."

                      As mentioned above, such an attempt at sophistry might be calculated, but in your case, given your abysmal stupidity, that alone explains it.
                      Fuck off and die, TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

                    6. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      "sorry you are too stupid to understand that neither had any impact on any election."

                      Yeah, that's not a counterpoint, that's just stomping your foot.

                    7. Foo_dd   2 years ago

                      "Yeah, that’s not a counterpoint, that’s just stomping your foot."

                      and the BS you post is what.... exactly?

                    8. Foo_dd   2 years ago

                      you came on this thread claiming i said something i did not, and you have been pissing in the wind ever since.

                    9. Sevo   2 years ago

                      "you came on this thread claiming i said something i did not, and you have been pissing in the wind ever since."

                      Put down the bottle, shit-for-brains.

                  2. Foo_dd   2 years ago

                    so, no actual counter argument.... just more of the "TDS, TDS, lefty shit."

                    now, to try and pretend the two of you are not sock puppets of each other mother's lament needs to insert something about either "shrike" or "boaf sides." you both really are some of the most pathetic trolls on here.

                    1. Sevo   2 years ago

                      I really hope you get your GED sometime soon.
                      The argument is really quite simple and given that you are a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit, it easily flies right over your head, and given your abysmal stupidity, this is also likely to do the same:
                      1. An arm (in fact more than one; see Adam Schiff, far below) of the US federal government strong-armed a news publisher to suppress damaging information regarding a presidential candidate just prior to the election.
                      2. You, as a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit, attempt to equate that to the laughable russki gif program in 2016.
                      3. You, as a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit, hope that level of idiocy is somehow found to be other than that of a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
                      Fuck off and die, TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

                    2. Foo_dd   2 years ago

                      "....of the US federal government strong-armed a news publisher to suppress damaging information regarding a presidential candidate just prior to the election."

                      but a foreign government trying to promote damaging (potentially false) information regarding a presidential candidate just prior to an election.... that is TOTALLY different.... you fucking retards are so latched in to the us versus them BS, that when confronted with someone who can see both intrusions into the operations of social media as wrong you simply can't let go of the arguments that assume the person you are talking to thinks only one was wrong..... you are pathetic partisan hacks who can't even fathom anyone not being a hypocrite the way you are.

                    3. Sevo   2 years ago

                      "...but a foreign government trying to promote damaging (potentially false) information regarding a presidential candidate just prior to an election…. that is TOTALLY different…."

                      Not only totally different, but not nearly as dangerous, you stupid fuck.
                      Foreign governments are constantly trying to interfere with elections; that's background noise. When your own government picks sides, you got BIG problem, and shit-piles like you are entirety too stupid to understand that.
                      Fuck off and die, TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

              2. Sevo   2 years ago

                Still waiting for the details which you claim will support your lies, TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

                1. Foo_dd   2 years ago

                  not a surprise that you don't read so good.

                  1. Sevo   2 years ago

                    See above, TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

                    1. Foo_dd   2 years ago

                      SQUAWK!

                    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      Caawww!

              3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                Mike- “Having said that, both stories are way overblown in the amount of partisan concern posturing that has been perpetrated in relationship to them.”

                Shrike - "^^^this... only influenced people who were already too partisan"

                Also Shrike - "STFU, you brainwashed piece of shit. ii didn’t say iit didn’t matter"

                Okay, you didn't "say" outright, you merely agreed it didn't matter to anyone but crazy partisans. Mea Culpa, you've been horribly, horribly wronged.

                1. Foo_dd   2 years ago

                  what a piece of shit liar you are.... the sentence you left out of my quote:

                  "despite the way both show flaws in the way social media operates they both are only ever brought up for political posturing."

                  if you think saying it is a shame these things only get used for political posturing despite them both showing flaws with the way social media operates.... is me "agreeing" it doesn't matter.... then you might be even fucking dumber than sevo.

                  1. Sevo   2 years ago

                    “despite the way both show flaws in the way social media operates they both are only ever brought up for political posturing.”

                    Slimy lying pile of TDS-addled shit still trying to sell the 'russki gifs=FBI corruption" bullshit.
                    Fuck off and die, asshole.

                    1. Foo_dd   2 years ago

                      what the fuck are you even talking about? must be getting deep in the bottle by now, i guess.

                    2. Sevo   2 years ago

                      "what the fuck are you even talking about? must be getting deep in the bottle by now, i guess."

                      See if you can finish your GED and hope there's a course in reading comprehension; you been called on your bullshit once more, TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
                      Fuck off and die.

                    3. Foo_dd   2 years ago

                      TDS, TDS, lefty shit, fuck off and die.... SQUAWK!!!!

                    4. Sevo   2 years ago

                      "TDS, TDS, lefty shit, fuck off and die…. SQUAWK!!!!"

                      Slimy lying pile of TDS-addled shit still trying to sell the ‘russki gifs=FBI corruption” bullshit.
                      Fuck off and die, asshole.

                  2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                    Explain how that sentence changes anything regarding you minimizing the actions of the government, Shrike. People could read your whole quote just several lines up.
                    Leaving out your "boaf sides" attempt from a paraphrased quote doesn't alter what you were doing.

                    Really, who do you think you're kidding?

                    1. Foo_dd   2 years ago

                      so, what you are saying is that you ARE a fucking moron...... if you can't understand how your fesses flinging is distracting from the real underlying problem, i don't know how to help you.

                      it's too bad, because you are a poster child for how the echo chambers of social media are rotting the brains of a large portion of the population.... and yes, it is on both sides. i don't think i will ever understand how you fucking idiots think it is some kind of insult to point out that i think you both suck.

                    2. Sevo   2 years ago

                      No, he's calling you on your bullshit but one more time. See above for recommendations, TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
                      Fuck off and die.

                    3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      Gee Shrike, all that invective and not one counter argument or piece of evidence that you weren't just lying. That must mean you're so super smart you didn't need to.

                    4. Foo_dd   2 years ago

                      so all you can manage is your continued delusion that i am someone called "shrike," and crying "liar liar liar"..... calling you pathetic would be an understatement of how fucking lame you are.

                    5. Foo_dd   2 years ago

                      and for sevo... TDS, TDS, lefty shit, fuck off and die.... squawk!!!!

                      seriously, it is incredibly pathetic how much you can't come up with anything original even when called on it.

                    6. Sevo   2 years ago

                      "and for sevo… TDS, TDS, lefty shit, fuck off and die…. squawk!!!!
                      seriously, it is incredibly pathetic how much you can’t come up with anything original even when called on it."

                      Exactly what a slimy, TDS-addled, lying pile of lefty shit deserves; you ain't worth more than that, asshole.
                      Fuck off and die.

                    7. Foo_dd   2 years ago

                      TDS, TDS, lefty shit, fuck off and die.... SQUAWK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                    8. Sevo   2 years ago

                      "so all you can manage is your continued delusion that i am someone called “shrike,” and crying “liar liar liar”….. calling you pathetic would be an understatement of how fucking lame you are."

                      It's possible you are mis-identified, but as you are a TDS-addled, lying pile of lefty shit, it is perfectly understandable.
                      Other than that, you've provided nothing other than your worthless opinions in the face of stated facts.
                      Fuck off and die, asshole.

                    9. Foo_dd   2 years ago

                      "It’s possible you are mis-identified...."

                      that might be the smartest thing you have ever said.

                      ".... but as you are a TDS-addled, lying pile of lefty shit...."

                      well... so much for that....

                    10. Sevo   2 years ago

                      “It’s possible you are mis-identified….”
                      that might be the smartest thing you have ever said.

                      Given that you are among the many TDS-addled lying piles of lefty shit who post here, you are forgiven for hoping you were confused with another TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit. Really doesn't matter; you are a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit

                      “…. but as you are a TDS-addled, lying pile of lefty shit….”
                      well… so much for that…."
                      See above; the truth is not so kind to TDS-addled lying piles of lefty shit .

          2. Sevo   2 years ago

            The reality is that you're a slimy pile of TDSs-addled lying lefty shit.
            Stuff it up your ass, scumbag.

            1. Foo_dd   2 years ago

              oh, you've expanded your vocabulary....

              TDS, TDS, lefty shit, stuff it up your ass..... SQUAWK!!!!!

              1. Sevo   2 years ago (edited)

                The reality is that you’re a slimy pile of TDS-addled lying lefty shit. Stuff it up your ass, scumbag.

                1. Foo_dd   2 years ago

                  TDS, lying lefty shit, stuff it up your ass, SQUAWK!!!

                  1. Sevo   2 years ago

                    The reality is that you’re a slimy pile of TDS-addled lying lefty shit. Stuff it up your ass, scumbag.

                    1. Foo_dd   2 years ago

                      S-Q-U-A-W-K!!!!!

                    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      CAAAAWWWWW!

                    3. Sevo   2 years ago

                      The reality is that you’re a slimy pile of TDS-addled lying lefty shit. Stuff it up your ass, scumbag.

      4. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

        And again, the false panic that was drummed up against baleful "Russian influence" was part of the rationale for suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story.

        The issue with what happened there is not whether the laptop story would have definitely turned the election. It is that the FBI, the Democratic Party, social media platforms, mainstream media decided that it might, that was an undesirable outcome, and colluded to prevent that from happening.

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          Yes, we have a federal agency directing the suppression of information likely harmful to one of the POTUS candidates just prior to the election.
          An arm of the federal government managing the news in the hopes of affecting the outcome of a presidential election.
          Nightmare stuff...

        2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          “The issue with what happened there is not whether the laptop story would have definitely turned the election.”

          That’s a reasonable take, but let’s acknowledge it is not the take of Donald Trump and many of his fans. Trump is still claiming he would have won if not for the suppression of the story.

        3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          “It is that the FBI, the Democratic Party, social media platforms, mainstream media decided that it might, that was an undesirable outcome, and colluded to prevent that from happening.”

          True, but only partially true. The other part is that the story was flaky. For one thing, Rudy Guilani was part of the chain of custody for the disk drive.

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            So fucking what, Mike? So fucking what.

            If anything that the recent revelations of the last two months should have proven to you, it's that all the narratives you believed were bullshit. That might mean the ones MSNBC told you about Guilani too.

            1. Chumby   2 years ago

              But it was true at the time because feelingz. NPCs gonna white knight for fake truth…and science (tm).

    3. Chumby   2 years ago

      Your fixation on the genitalia of a politician’s child is disturbing from a Jared from Subway perspective.

      1. Sevo   2 years ago

        Dealing with facts and the truth is beyond turd's abilities. turd lies; it's what turd does.

    4. Chest Rockwell   2 years ago

      There has been no proof anything the Russians did cost Hillary the election. This was just a convenient excuse some latched onto.

      I am not saying the laptop is a huge bombshell. Yet kindly explain to me why, if it was a nothing burger, former shills for our intelligence agencies lied and said it was russian disinformation. And why did Facebook and Twitter suppress it...if it's no big deal?

  13. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://babylonbee.com/news/fbi-promises-to-make-2022-hoaxes-less-obvious

    "We stand committed to pushing the narrative of the Biden administration without also bringing blowback upon ourselves," said FBI Assistant Director Jill Sanborn in a prepared statement.

    Democratic leadership has voiced support for the FBI's goal, hoping that it enables them to pass oppressive surveillance state laws. Meanwhile, Republicans have pounced upon the FBI's statement because they are racist insurrectionists who love to pounce.

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Not sure this is even parody. BB have a man on the inside of the FBI?

    2. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

      Meanwhile, Republicans have pounced upon the FBI’s statement because they are racist insurrectionists who love to pounce.

      Now the Bee writers are getting lazy and just doing a copy/paste from Reason.

      1. JasonAZ   2 years ago

        ENB hardest hit. haha!

  14. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/RAZ0RFIST/status/1613142437639393281?t=JRZU3_AUFRpu8pjPN6j_UQ&s=19

    >Omnipresent Nanny State
    >Constantly paying the government to use your own car or for public transit, all of which is tracked
    >Ubiquitous closed circuit TV cameras recording you in public
    >Photo radar
    >Cellphone towers pinging your location

    Yeah, it's a hazy mystery.

    [Link]

  15. Bill Dalasio   2 years ago

    The last week should have been remarkably embarrassing for the Reason staff. A series of premises that Reason fully supported as exceptions to libertarian principle have been thoroughly discredited. First, it was the Twitter Files, which put lie to the "it's a private company" canard. Then we found out that the whole "Russia hacked the 2016 election" claim was baseless, suggesting, obviously, that the whole Russiagate episode was utterly unjustified and that all the playing fast and loose with civil liberties by the Feds was outright government interference in free and fair elections. Now, we discover President Biden (undisclosed is the status of any other high government official) was himself keeping sensitive federal documents, rendering their pearl clutching about Trump's doing so laughable. This is all stuff that the Reason staffers assured us we should just accept the Party line on an defer to our betters in the Cathedral. And many of us were providing evidence for years that we were being lied to.

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      They still have their support of the impeachment to get them through the night. And J6. Hope the gop doesn't uncover anything there.

    2. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

      "First, it was the Twitter Files, which put lie to the “it’s a private company” canard."

      Twitter and other formerly-privately-owned web sites are now owned by Government Almighty! Marxism is now the NEW, New Way, of the Socialist People's Republican Church, which will moderate FAR better than private owners can ever even DREAM of doing!

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        “First, it was the Twitter Files, which put lie to the “it’s a private company” canard.”

        We are still in the “it’s a private company” territory unless someone can show that (a) social media companies weren’t happily voluntarily cooperative with government suggestions; (b) direct government threats of legal consequences for non-cooperation were made.

        As one commenter (sorry, I forgot his name) suggested yesterday, the way to deal with all this is to pass a law clamping down on this type of government activity.

        1. Minadin   2 years ago

          No. We all went over this yesterday.

          You don't make the rules, sorry.

          You should not need to make laws saying what the government can't do. The government shouldn't be doing ANYTHING the laws don't say it can do. You have everything exactly backwards.

          1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

            The law doesn't explicitly say that government employees are allowed to scratch their asses, shit, eat, or breathe. Government employees are implicitly understood to ALSO be private individuals, who, of their own free will, are still allowed to scratch their asses, shit, eat, and breathe... AND freely express their opinions, AND make suggestions to the owners of private properties, to include web site owners! What government employees are NOT allowed to do is to PUNISH others, without due process of law, for doing shit that government laws do NOT prohibit!!!

            AND THAT LAST ITEM HAS NOT BEEN HAPPENING!!! Hello?!?!

            No one has yet named me such government-punished “victims”, not a ONE, who was punished for WRONG moderation of THEIR websites! It is THAT simple! (People have conflated wars on drugs and wars on whores, and national defense and CIA secrets violations, with wars on privately moderated web sites, but that's just bullshit! Next they will say that Jesus was killed for disobeying Government Almighty for incorrect moderation of Jesus's web sites. My web site! I can accept suggestions from ANYONE that I damned well please!)

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              Fuck off with your heckler's veto horseshit. Either provide a counter argument or leave.

              1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                My stuff is "heckler’s veto horseshit". Wow! What a HELL of a PROFOUNDLY DEEP, erudite argument that Perfect Mammary-Fuhrer makes here!!!

                1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                  Your stuff is definitely heckler’s veto horseshit. What else do you call posting 75 lines of unrelated copypasta whenever you get pissed off, other than a heckler’s veto?

                  1. Sevo   2 years ago

                    To the spastic asshole? A well-reasoned response!
                    Consider the source.

              2. Sevo   2 years ago

                The TDS-addled spastic asshole be coherent? Ha and ha.

        2. Dillinger   2 years ago

          >happily voluntarily cooperative

          ya dude you smile when the feds show up.

        3. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

          If you can spin a private company willingly colluding with government agencies and office holders to suppress political facts and opinions those agencies and office holders do not like then you think that is kosher? Are you mad?

          1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

            "...you think that is kosher?..."

            A religious question. NOT a legal question.

            I am anti-divorce, anti-bad-breath, anti-body-odor, anti-bad-diets, anti-sickness, anti-lies, anti-suffering, anti-messy-housekeeping, and MANY more. And I will say these things publicly, and even advocate that others should get on my bandwagon! Does that mean that I advocate the use of Government Almighty to prohibit ANY of these things, or punish ANY of those who indulge in said activities? Absolutely not!

            Writing clearly would be more persuasive. Should Twitter and-or Twitter employees BE PUNISHED BY GOVERNMENT ALMIGHTY for taking suggestions that YOU do NOT approve of?

            1. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

              "Kosher" is meant colloquially, It does not literally mean passing Jewish religious standards.

          2. Bill Dalasio   2 years ago

            And yet the people who don't agree with them are "fascists". LOL!

            1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

              What gets me “WTFrustrated” to no end, is that a prime threat being wielded here (by “both sides”) is “do what we want you to do, or we’ll take Section 230 down, so that we can GET YOU!”… THIS, from our asshole politicians… On both sides!!!
              And then the peons will “pile on”, in agreement, that… We need to kill Section 230!!! All while imagining that “I can pussy-grab my enemies, and my enemies will NEVER think of pussy-grabbing me right back”, after we kill Section 230!!!
              WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE that one-sided retaliation-free pussy-grabbing has EVER worked well, for long-term peace and prosperity? Look at history, and we can SEE that pussy-grabbing leads to MORE pussy-grabbing, going both ways! When will humans learn this simple lesson?

          3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            You are the one spinning with your use of words like “collusion” and “kosher”.

            Collusion is not an accurate word where the private actor took all their actions quite publicly.

            And I didn’t claim anything was “kosher”. I’m just saying nothing was illegal. I even suggested we pass a law about this type of interference in social media, which is an indication I don’t think it was “kosher”.

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              "Collusion is not an accurate word where the private actor took all their actions quite publicly."

              First, you're deliberately misdefining collusion". Second, who the hell do you think you're kidding?

              Did Twitter tell the people it was censoring and banning that it was doing it at the governments behest?
              Of course not, but look at you pretend that it was "public" and on the up and up.

              You're disgusting.

              1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                Twitter took some suggestions from some people that YOU don't like. We know this because Twitter's internal emails were VERY selectively released, and have NO ideas HOW many suggestions they took from Trump, Josh Hawley, or Satan! And YOU want to grab this as an excuse, and TAKE OVER moderation of OTHER PEOPLE'S WEB SITES!!! In order to PUNISH PEOPLE FOR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE WROTE!!!!

                You’re disgusting. Long live S-230!!!

        4. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

          We are still in the “it’s a private company” territory unless someone can show that (a) social media companies weren’t happily voluntarily cooperative with government suggestions; (b) direct government threats of legal consequences for non-cooperation were made.

          Ok, well, ok it's happening, but it's not as bad as you say, because they were happily complying.

          1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            Yes, that does indeed make it not as bad as if they were reluctantly complying.

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              No it doesn't. It isn't any better to have a government censoring people's speech if its corporate partner is happy to oblige.

              In many ways it's far worse.

              1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                Happiness (as in happily accepting suggestions) is FAR worse than FORCED compliance! Wow! But at this point, WHY would ANYONE be surprised, any more, by what Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer has to say? After all... Good is evil, and evil is good! Also Sprach Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer!!! ALL HAIL Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer!!!!

                1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                  Fuck off Nazi. Don't you have a Twitter thread to purge?

  16. Unicorn Abattoir   2 years ago

    Welcome to the conversation.

  17. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>unlikely that the Russian foreign influence campaign on Twitter could have had much more than a relatively minor influence

    lol they wasted a whole season of Homeland on it

  18. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    Interestingly, this study appears amidst revelations that the U.S. government itself has been doing a lot of meddling in domestic politics.

    No, this study has appeared literally years after it was revealed that the government was balls deep into the censorship game on social media. Look, I know you guys don't read the comments and everything, but you really gotta get your heads out of the beltway.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      LOL, I’ll quote here from Tuccille’s bio:

      “An enthusiastic explorer of the American Southwest's deserts, mountains, and forests, Tuccille lives in rural northern Arizona with his wife, a pediatrician, their son, and their two dogs.“

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        "but you really gotta get your heads out of the beltway."

        For fuck's sake, Mike.

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          The 'It's not so bad' level of excuses?

  19. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago (edited)

    Hey, Reason, per the previous thread on Hochul and zoning reforms, would you be in total support of local officials being overridden by Hochul?

    New York’s Hochul Proposes Banning Gas in New Buildings
    Democrat also called for creating a state cap-and-trade system

    Governor Kathy Hochul is proposing to make New York the first state in the US to ban natural gas heating and appliances in new buildings as a way to fight climate change, the latest salvo in a nationwide fight over the fuel.

    Hochul called during her state-of-the-state address Tuesday to ban the use of fossil fuels by 2025 for newly built smaller structures and 2028 for larger ones. New York would also prohibit the sale of any new fossil-fuel heating systems starting in 2030.

    “Buildings are the largest source of emissions in our state, accounting for a third of our greenhouse gas output,” Hochul said in her prepared remarks.

    1. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

      Trying to retrofit an old building designed to be heated by HVAC systems fed from fossil fuel steam plants is a bear to do. There is often not enough space in the mechanical spaces to put them in due to the larger sizes dictated by the efficiency technology. New York has a lot of very old buildings still in use. Reality will slap down Hochul's virtue signaling right quick.

      Also NYS power grid is going to need some significant upgrades to even think about handling all these buildings supposedly coming off fossil fuel heat.

      1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

        All of these problems can be "made to go away" by greasing the palms of building inspectors, etc.! That's what I've been told by people in that area and in similar (construction, renovation) industries, involving inspections for lead paint and for asbestos, and such, for examples. A WIN for building inspectors, then!

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          Spastic asshole heard from. Fuck off and die.

    2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Curious why you didn’t make this comment on the appropriate thread.

      1. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

        Because the particular quote by Hochul annoyed me and it was used here.

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          Huh? My question was for Diane/Paul.

      2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Thanks for your Thread Police service, Cpl. Mike.

  20. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    And, frankly, it would take an especially fragile political system to fall to an onslaught of trolls.

    And yet, our nation was on the brink on January 6, as America was literally under attack by some people in bear costumes waving 6" American flags.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Sure, violent invasion of the Capitol building is “some people in bear costumes waving 6″ American flags.”

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Tell us again about the fire extinguishers.

        1. Chumby   2 years ago

          It was an assault fire extinguisher. And there were feet on a desk!

  21. Number 2   2 years ago

    SO….

    The people who told us that that “Russian interference” led to Trump’s victory in 2016 are “liars” who’s lies “undermined faith in democracy” and “threatened” our democratic institutions. Right?

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Sure, just not even close to the degree to which Trump and his followers have undermined democracy. Not even in the same ballpark.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        How did Trump "undermine democracy", White Mike?

      2. Marshal   2 years ago

        just not even close to the degree to which Trump and his followers have undermined democracy.

        This is stupidly wrong on every level. Democrats have been undermining elections for decades. They have been denying elections (to use their own parlance) for decades. Democrats prefer rule by authority when they controlled the supreme count. They've tried to rule by bureaucracy for decades. Dems make backroom deals to limit public choice. Dems form street armies to intimidate the public.

        In fact there isn't a single method of undermining Democracy Dems don't routinely engage in.

  22. Chest Rockwell   2 years ago (edited)

    Funny thing is for all the crying over Russia there has never been evidence that anything they did cost Hilary the election. Oh sure we know they tried to influence the election, but there isn’t any proof their efforts achieved anything.

    Nor has there ever been concrete proof that anything Comey did cost Clinton the election.

    It’s also amusing to me that we are supposed to think that Manafort giving Russians polling data is somehow worse than Clinton hiring an ex foreign spy to dig up dirt on trump using sources in the Kremlin. Either utilizing the Russians is wrong or it is not.

    Even worse is the crying about election denials. Yes Trump lost in 2020, but 2 out of 3 democrats thought Russia literally altered votes in 2016. We had 10 house democrats begging Biden not to certify Trump, yet they were not called anti democracy. We had tons of progressive douchebags also screaming “not my president”.

    But see it’s (D)ifferent when they do it. They will gaslight and say democrats didn’t storm the capital, yet Republicans were labeled anti democracy even prior to J6 for merely questioning the election. I’ve never seen progressives label prominent election denying dems as enemies of democracy. Never seen Stacy Abrams called out by her own side for her denial.

    Even the current White House press secretary tweeted out election denying BS. It's funny how the goalposts shifted from "saying an election was stolen without evidence is wrong" to "election denying without evidence isn't so bad as long as you don't get violent".

    1. Sevo   2 years ago

      And then the "violence" being the cop's.

    2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      The amount of Democratic whining about 2016 does not even approach in magnitude how far the Republican whining and lying about 2020 went. By a factor of 100.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

        Remember when Democrats rioted in cities across the country, including DC, on Trump’s inauguration day, Mike?
        https://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html

        Point out which riot in which city they did less damage than J6… by a factor of 100.

        Mike may have a very selective memory, folks, but don’t you dare call him a Democrat.

      2. Marshal   2 years ago

        Notice that leftists only came to beleive whining about elections is wrong when their opponents engaged in it. None of them believed cosplaying stolen elections was a problem from 2000 to 2019. But the second their opponents adopted the left's tactics those tactics magically transformed and became illegitimate.

        This pattern is how you distinguish honest commenters from leftist hacks.

      3. Sevo   2 years ago

        Yes, you steaming pile of lefty shit, that's because it's becoming obvious that the left was interfering in the election 110 times worse than ANY GOP efforts.
        IOWs, it's true, but lefty shit like you have no interest in that commodity.

  23. Marshal   2 years ago

    "The Russian efforts were sometimes crude or off-key, with a trial-and-error feel, and many of the suspect posts were not widely shared," Scott Shane observed in 2017 for The New York Times.

    The understatement here is immense. In truth the "efforts" were so stupid even people who hated Dems would at most have laughed. The idea a cartoon of Hillary as the devil actually changed votes is and always was absurd. Dem claims of Russian interference was itself the propaganda far more than the juvenile facebook memes which supposedly threatened our Democracy.

    The fact that it was so absurd was intentional. Virtue signaling cannot be accomplished by proclaiming something true, as people might believe that legitimately. Your allegiance can only be proven by asserting something obviously false, which is why left wingers have been proclaiming absurdities [there is no objective truth!] for decades.

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  25. Sevo   2 years ago

    And it's becoming clear that the FBI wasn't the only fed. gov. official strong-arming Twitter and others; turns out Adam Schiff' been caught with his fingers in the cookie jar:

    "How Democrat Adam Schiff abused his power to demand I be kicked off Twitter simply due to a personal vendetta"
    https://nypost.com/2023/01/06/how-democrat-adam-schiff-abused-his-power-to-demand-i-be-kicked-off-twitter/

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  30. JFree   2 years ago

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  31. Minadin   2 years ago

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  32. Sevo   2 years ago

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  33. Minadin   2 years ago

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