This Congressman Wants the U.S. To Use Military Force Against Mexican Cartels
Like other authorizations for the use of military force—or AUMFs—it would be an unnecessary, unwise expansion of executive power.

Last week, Mexican government forces clashed with cartel members in a deadly scene at the airport in Culiacán, Sinaloa. The shootouts, which followed a government operation to apprehend Ovidio Guzmán, son of drug kingpin Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzmán, left a reported 30 people dead. Other towns in Sinaloa saw upticks in cartel violence after Ovidio Guzmán's arrest.
One interventionist congressman thinks the solution is American military might. Speaking about the cartel violence, Rep. Mike Waltz (R–Fla.) told Fox News host Maria Bartiromo on Sunday that "we need to go on offense against them" since "the cartels are destabilizing our neighbor" and "running our border." Waltz said that he'll introduce "legislation to authorize the use of military force against these cartels."
That wouldn't involve sending U.S. troops the fight the cartels, Waltz stipulated—but an American military response might include "cyber, drones, intelligence assets, naval assets." It echoes a pitch from former President Donald Trump last week to "take down the cartels" by ordering "the Department of Defense to make appropriate use of special forces, cyber warfare, and other overt and covert actions."
There are plenty of reasons to be skeptical about Waltz's plan. For one, an authorization for the use of military force (AUMF) would give the president a blank check to put American assets on the line in a conflict where Congress hasn't declared war. Per the Constitution, the president has no authority to declare war, and only Congress can authorize and appropriate funds for a conflict. Though AUMFs often explicitly pertain to only one conflict or country, presidents have manipulated them to justify a bevy of unrelated military engagements. A cartel-related AUMF could very well see some mission creep.
Those concerns aside, Waltz thinks the U.S. has a proven track record when it comes to fighting drug cartels. "We've done this before," he told Bartiromo. "Back in the '80s when the cartels in Colombia were shooting down planes, killing members of Congress, about to take over the entire Colombian government, we had Plan Colombia then. We had special operations training."
Plan Colombia, a Clinton administration strategy to cut drug trafficking and promote development in the country, was costly and yielded mixed results (no thanks to its mission creep, as it shifted to focus more on counterterrorism). The U.S. had spent "about $12 billion in bilateral aid to implement Plan Colombia" since 2000, according to a 2021 Congressional Research Service report. As Cato Institute Policy Analyst Daniel Raisbeck has written for Reason, "Plan Colombia's anti-narcotics element was an unqualified failure" and guerrilla fighters "still control large swathes of the cocaine business." The realities of using American military assets to beat back violent actors tied to the drug trade simply don't bode well for Waltz's plan.
Representatives should rebuff Waltz's effort to entrench the U.S. military in yet another conflict and instead continue ongoing efforts to repeal other AUMFs. Last June, the House voted to repeal the 1957 and 1991 AUMFs, which authorized the president to fight communist influence in the Middle East and enter the Gulf War in Iraq, respectively. Those measures didn't advance. A measure to repeal the 2002 AUMF—which authorized the president to use force against Saddam Hussein in Iraq—was eventually stripped from the National Defense Authorization Act for 2023. The 2001 AUMF continues to undergird U.S. military involvement two decades after its adoption, despite some legislative repeal efforts.
Putting American military assets on the line in Mexico—even if no U.S. troops are involved—would be a mistake. The president shouldn't have more tools at his disposal to recklessly enter foreign conflicts, and members of Congress would only be giving him a blank check to meddle in Mexico's affairs by adopting an AUMF.
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If Mike wants to waltz into Mexico to take on the narco lords, he is free to do so. Keep tax money out of the equation.
Alternatively, decriminalize narcotics and see how these problems disappear.
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Let's send the militia and draft any Congress critter that votes for this AUMF directly into that militia. Maybe send all the DEA agents too.
Go get'em boys!
Best idea since King George sent Cornwallis to catch and extradite that smuggler George Washington.
Yeah, that’s the same………
"Alternatively, decriminalize narcotics and see how these problems disappear."
GOD FORBID!!! You mean letting adults decide for themselves what they choose to put into their bodies??? Are you CRAZY??
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As long as I don't have to pay for their rehab, overdose ER visits, and needle programs ... sure, let them do what they want.
"As long as I don’t have to pay for their rehab, overdose ER visits, and needle programs … sure, let them do what they want."
We (the collective "We") currently pay for the long-term effects of alcoholism and its estimated 140,000 deaths each year, including their "rehab, overdose, and ER visits."
And that’s part of the problem. If drugs are legalized, tolerating the costs and scumbag behavior needs to stop.
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So transfer payments from producers to non-producers are the real problem. Makes me glad I just sent some support to the New Mexico Libertarian Party to help repeal murder is prohibition laws.
You’re a huge drag on the LP.
Few who aren’t currently abusers will become abusers once narcotics are decriminalized.
I think those items you mentioned, that we are currently funding to various degrees, should be privately funded. The need will likely tick up slightly.
The second benefit of decriminalization is no longer needing a large portion of the Judiciary Industrial Complex. The war against drugs is a failure. An expensive failure.
"I think those items you mentioned, that we are currently funding to various degrees, should be privately funded."
Agreed
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"The need will likely tick up slightly."
Maybe not. Before the "War on Drugs," in 1968, the death rate from opioid overdose was approximately 1 per 100,000.
Last year (admittedly a "banner year") it was something like 18 per 100,000.
We can only guess at how many of those deaths are from "bad" drugs, either with unknown, harmful ingredients, or unknown potency.
People also had a sense of shame before 1968. That’s gone now.
True. Back then, folks never wore summer white after Labor Day.
Or straw cowboy hats after October...
When it comes to opiods it's the drug itself that kills, not impurities.
Allowing them to inject medical grade fentanyl would just kill them faster....
Which isn't entirely a loss to the US as a whole - and definitely isn't a reason to invade Mexico or build absurd border fortifications - but the argument that there's a way to make recreational opioid use safe is crap.
Also the zero deaths from LSD... don't forget to add that in to please Reagan and Billy Graham.
Or their funerals.
"Alternatively, decriminalize narcotics and see how these problems disappear."
Didn't work for California with weed, just saying.
"Didn’t work for California with weed, just saying."
Between the taxes and regulations on weed, and limited geographical availability, CA's "legal" weed results in prices often higher than the "illegal" weed. CA did not, in any real sense, "legalize weed." An approximate equivalency would be CA "controlling" the whiskey market and selling a pint of JD for $50 when one could smuggle it into the State for a fraction of the price. And moonshiners would be more common than fly fisher-folk.
My point exactly. They fucked up legalizing weed, what chance is there for the hard stuff?
"My point exactly. They fucked up legalizing weed, what chance is there for the hard stuff?'
Ahh, I see what you mean.
Well, not everywhere is CA. Do it as Oregon did, and the results are much better (weed is cheap enough here that few people even bother to grow it themselves). And, it seems, most of the "illegal" grows, of which we do get a few, appear to be destined for out-of-State markets.
Didn't Colorado have success with it?
They seem to be doing pretty well.
Plenty of people there grow it themselves.
I am sure they do. And I imagine a lot of the younger folks do, too. It's still cheaper to grow your own, but nobody I know does.
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Sure, and Pauline Kael was shocked Nixon won re election because she didn’t know anyone who voted for him.
Even without the 'special' weed taxes, legal sellers will always be at a disadvantage.
And that disadvantage increases when the drug being sold can be immediately lethal, vice just giving you lung cancer (if you smoke, vice consume in smoke-free ways) a few decades later.
Instead, we should use the US military to facilitate immigration, right, Fiona? Let's see the Border Patrol face up to armored cavalry.
Immigration, like drugs, is a supply-and-demand issue.
As long as there is demand (in the case of immigration, this means as long as there are jobs for illegals here that pay more than the per-capita-income of their home country) there will be supply.
There is absolutely zero good that can be done trying to 'secure' 2000 miles of crap-tastic terrain (the US-Mex border) bounded on both sides by open ocean.
Anything and anyone that wants to get across, will.
Bad idea.
The proper role of the US military is to spread and defend democracy on the other side of the planet. Mexico is too close.
Outstanding. OBL hitting another one out of the park.
Mexico doesn't actually pose a threat to the United States.
To individual idiots who think injecting opioids into their bloodstream is 'fun', sure... But not to the US as a whole...
We should not go to war simply to protect idiots from the natural consequence of their personal refusal to obey the law & act like an intelligent life form....
Note to foreign readers: Right wing fanatics usually see prohibition as "the" law. Their Grandparents saw the Prohibition Amendment as "the" Constitution--Bill of Rights be damned.
For one, an authorization for the use of military force (AUMF) would give the president a blank check to put American assets on the line in a conflict where Congress hasn't declared war.
Uh, wut.
Uniform State Narcotic Drug Act of 1934
Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970
What part of 'uniform', 'comprehensive', and 'control' are ambiguous to you?
I'd prefer Tijuana be returned to "safe to walk the streets of" than Kyiv. mho.
Wait, you favor brown people over white? Are you a Democrat?
the TJ street food was to die for but in the 80s it was only figuratively
It's vastly easier to defeat Russia in a war, than it is to make Americans stop using drugs.
As long as Americans are using drugs, people will be smuggling them through Mexico. No amount of military force or public-works projects can change that.
And as long as people are smuggling drugs through Mexico, Mexico will remain a dangerous place... Just how it works...
plus they kind of want everybody on drugs.
Lessee ....
* Needs a declaration of war.
* Against whom?
* But the cartel is sending armed agents across the border.
* The host country is doing little to rein them in, in fact the cartels have lots of unofficial military support.
* Pancho Villa!
One interventionist congressman...
It is not interventionist to defend our country against an attacker.
The cartels are a criminal organization not a hostile military force.
They aren't attacking the US, they're selling idiots inside the US recreational drugs.
They ARE a hostile military force. They ARE attacking the US. They are trafficking in human beings, not just drugs and other contraband.
A criminal organization that's better armed and armored than the military force of Mexico!
You haven’t been paying attention. They’re a hostile military force. They control more than half of Mexico now. Which is falling onto a state of civil war. The cartels may end up as the new regime there.
Should have built that fucking wall.
Nobody with half a brain (or any formal military training) thinks a wall is a good idea... They haven't been worth a shit since the days of horse cavalry - especially against smugglers who can easily afford to go around, under or over anything you build....
The cartels, let's remember, build fucking submarines. There is no possible wall design that is going to stop (or even slightly inconvenience) them.
I hve military training and experience. The wall is a good idea. A lot of military peopl e know it’s a good idea. The Israeli’s have a wall too. It works for them.
And a wall would slow them down. Even if you think it wouldn’t.
The idiots inside the US Congress made that market into a useful back door for weapons in the next chemical, bacteriological and nuclear war Christianofascists prohibit us into. China lost the Opium Wars and gulled mystical yanks into farming those out. Hence the Balkan wars after the communist prohibitionist opium glut became WW1 and League of Nations cartel-forming prohibitionism convinced Germany it was again encircled, thereby electing the Hitler party. Smart.
Maybe we could start by examining our drug policies that incentivize smuggling drugs into this country.
You must be a public school teacher.
No, I am a student, a student of history. Prohibition failed as has our drug policies.
" Prohibition failed ..."
And in those eighty-three counties in eight States in the US which are "dry," it is still failing! Mississippi didn't end its ban on alcohol until 1966. I am confident there was lots of "illegal booze" available...
The cartels in Mexico are way beyond the drug trade now. They’re taking over the country.
"legislation to authorize the use of military force against these cartels."
That's called a "declaration of war". Let's get on it.
"We haven't warred on drugs hard enough." LOL
Real
communismdrugs wars have never truly been implemented. We got the right people in charge this time, trust us.That wouldn't involve sending U.S. troops the fight the cartels...
Yes, it will, and it's far past time for that.
Waltz's effort to entrench the U.S. military in yet another conflict...
The cartels have brought the war to us. We're already in it; we just have not begun to fight back effectively.
to recklessly enter foreign conflicts
"Foreign"? What are you smoking, Fiona? They are invading our country.
Nobody is invading the US.
Smuggling is not a combat operation.
The hell it's not. You are uninformed.
Not to mention the constant violence across the border, rapes, murders etc.
There seems to be little awareness of that here.
It’s bad now, and it’s going to get a lot worse soon.
The guy who thinks US law enforcement isn't active in Mexico calls me 'uninformed'?
ROFL...
The cartels exist to make money, not to play politics. They are not 'invading' the US, they are smuggling drugs into the US.
Note to foreign readers: The cartels in question are the Republican and Democratic factions of The Looter Kleptocracy.
They’re systematically taking over Mexico. They already control about half of it.
Maybe you should take a look at the weaponry the cartels have at their disposal.
Everything up to and including 50 ca machine guns and even rockets. These cartels are as well armed as the Mexican army except for gun ships and I would not bet the farm that the cartels will soon have those.
I set the bar pretty low for Reason nowadays. Like soda can low for a limbo bar. Yet they go lower.
Now drug cartels are good right? Fiona, how do you suggest to stop them? More open borders? More drugs?
Hey Fiona, have you been to the border? Are you a rancher that fears for their life because the cartels cross back and forth.
Everything is bad. No solution.
It's not that drug cartels are good.
It's that drug cartel operations don't justify bombing/invading Mexico.
This isn’t about drugs anymore. The cartels have their own military now and control over half of Mexico. It’s a civil war, and we idiotically have a 2000 mile open border with this shitshow.
Mexico has had plenty of civil wars over the time we've had a border with them.
That border has *always* been 'open'. It hasn't hurt us any.
Oh really? Tell that to the families of the 120,000 Americans who died from O.D. last year. Tell them it must have been from climate change.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. You must have watched Biden’s staged visit and accepted that as reality.
Aren’t we intervening in enough things already ? Let’s not be greedy and let someone else intervene for a change. We need a “foreign involvement patch” or something to curb our need for getting in the affairs of others.
The crime lords are already intervening in OUR country. Defending ourselves is not "getting in the affairs of others."
'Defending ourselves'
So what, are ordinary law-abiding Americans walking along and 'WHAM', a syringe full of fentynl just jumps off the sidewalk into their veins?
Oh wait, that's not at all what's happening. Dumb people are doing dump shit & dying because they chose to do that dumb shit.
That's not something you go to war over.
So, do you think the Chinese were out of line to fight the Opium Wars? Should they just have let the British supply their willing Chinese customers, regardless of the consequences, because, freedom of...something?
Yes. Free trade. The consequence, because the foreign opium was cheaper than the domestic, was a "trade imbalance". Boo hoo.
You're the anti-Shikha.
Yes, the Chinese shouldn't have picked a fight with the British Empire over opium... I mean, look how it turned out for them....
The Brits tricked the Qing into banning homegrown poppies too. Next, all silver left the country and Jesus freaks brainwashed in Hong Kong by foreign devils easily organized a bloody revolt that lasted 17 years and killed the equivalent of the US population. But it was all worth it... provided one narcotics commissioner got to behead a thousand or so children. Did I mention the cannibalism?
Great, so let’s take the money out of the money we’re throwing away with Ukraine. At least this involves a country on our own border.
At the end of the day, you aren't going to solve drug production with a 'Punitive Expedition' (which, historically, we have launched several-of into Mexico - usually over disorder/civil-war)...
At some point we will get to 'We told you to just-say-no, if you don't listen, you deserve what you get (including, possibly, death from OD), sorry-not-sorry'...
Now, this isn't an argument for legalizing drugs (yes, I know, among many here that is seen as the solution) - but rather an argument for treating voluntary use of recreational drugs as 'a knowing choice to kill yourself'.
As long as there is drug demand, there will be drug supply - and idiots killing themselves by injecting opiates into their veins...
This isn't just about drugs. The cartels are involved in crime and corruption of all kinds, on both sides of the border.
Crime and corruption don't pose a military threat to the United States or its allies.
That's a police matter, not a military one.
The police can't act on the other side of the border from where the attack is coming. Defending our country against foreign enemies is exactly what the armed forces are for, and is the first responsibility of the federal government.
Vernon, I can't quite tell if you're stroking your war boner, your anti-immigrant boner, or your anti-drug boner. Perhaps all 3?
Have you seen what currently happening in Mexico? Your response appears to indicate you have not.
I'm aware that Mexico has turned the drug war into a real war. I don't know that should include the US.
By the way, legalizing drugs would eventually put the cartels out of business.
Not if they become the regime in charge. Which appears to be their current goal.
FBI, DEA & such are *very* active in Mexico...
Or at least were prior to AMLO getting elected....
But this conversation is about military action against the cartels.
You: “The police can’t act on the other side of the border from where the attack is coming”
Me: Oh yes they can, and do… And it's not an attack in any sense.
You: “But this is about military action against the cartels”
Military action against the cartels is a waste of time and money. This is a law enforcement problem, and there is zero actual benefit to the United States in making it a military issue.
The military is for dealing with actual foreign threats, not for chasing down drug dealers because it might (in some weird world where there are no other suppliers of drugs outside Mexico) save a few junkie lives…
This is t a law enforcement problem anymore. The cartels may very well take over the Mexican government. If they do, they will undoubtedly partner with the Chinese. That will be a major problem.
This isn’t about drug trafficking. You need to think past that. These people have their own fucking army now and are using it.
How are we doing on the "War on Drugs?"
Lets look:
Over 1,106,000 US residents died from drug overdoses from 1968 to 2020."
Around 108,900 people died in 2021.
Total deaths during the War on Drugs: 1,208,900
Total deaths during the US Civil War: 655,000
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_drug_overdose_death_rates_and_totals_over_time
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Suicide-by-opiod (eg, ODs) shouldn't be classified as a 'death in the war on drugs'... It should be classified as... Suicide.
How would you characterize the 140,000 alcohol-related deaths? What about the 440,000 tobacco-related deaths? By that logic, those deaths are mostly suicides with a smattering of homicides thrown in for car crashes and secondhand smoke and whatnot, right?
Oh, wait...drunks and smokers use legal, state-approved drugs of known potency and therefore deserve all the pity and sympathy we can afford them (while we internally bask in our glorious righteousness and moral superioriority with the state's blessing!) Unlike those filthy opioid abusers, those addicts may even have family that would suffer terribly in the event of their untimely death!
Intent and logic don't really matter when we're fighting propaganda wars!
"Intent and logic don’t really matter when we’re fighting propaganda wars!"
Sometimes, "...logic..." doesn't even exist!
People aren't talking about invading a foreign country over booze, nor are they using booze-related deaths to claim the US is being 'invaded' by SAB & Anheizer Busch.
I guess we've given up on pointing out the dubious Constitutionality of the Drug War that created these cartels and fueled the violence, misery and death, in the first place?
Republicans love to crow about the Constitution, but tend to be mighty selective (some would even say blatantly hypocritical) in its interpretation. This continually opens up an opportunity to *gently* hoist them on their own petard, as it were, and hopefully plant the seeds of liberty and disspassionate logic. The intellectually honest ones will hopefully come around at some point.
At this point the doubling- and tripling-down on failure might paradoxically be the fastest way to end the insanity. We'll run out of money, goodwill or get stretched too thin militarily. Maybe all three!
Eventually - tragically - a critical mass of people like me will form. Those of us who've lost family members to the Drug War and watched as the state's forced 'cures' (read: rackets) only worsened their lives and ours (not to mention bled us financially via Constitutionally dubious 'Drug Courts.') I now devote most of my spare time fighting to end the Drug War in hopes of ending the insanity and saving other families the grief my family suffered.
Per CDC, around 140,000 Americans die every year from alcohol-related causes, and that's with a legal market. We know how bad it can get with illicit markets, which is why Prohibition only lasted 10 years before sanity prevailed. Still, it begs the question 'why isn't the government bombing Jack Daniel's Distillery, or sending the 101st against Anheuser-Busch's HQ?'
Is Anheuser-Busch bringing in millions of illegal immigrants? Are they corrupting law enforcement on the border to facilitate that?
Border security does not necessitate Prohibition or foreign invasions without Congressional approval. Corruption of LE and illegal immigration don't magically make the Drug War Constitutional, moral or effective. There is no 'Drug War Emergency Clause' in the Constitution.
To answer your question, during Prohibition LE was also on the take and the gangs were filled with illegal aliens (Italians, mostly.) Bootleggers commonly paid Prohibitionist politicians to keep booze illegal. I don't know whether Anheuser-Busch paid bribes, but I wouldn't be surprised. Fact is, LE corruption has existed for as long as LE has existed, but Prohibition opens the floodgates of huge illicit profits and opportunities to exploit 'morally flexible' LEOs.
For most of this country's lifespan, there were few border problems like we see now ( and certainly not over Prohibition-related matters.) For example, fter the Civil War, we had a massive opiate problem but no Prohibition. It sorted itself out.
No, these massive problems began when Nixon declared War on Drugs 5 decades ago. Since then, things devolved and continue to devolve. In ignoring their Constitutional restraints and the Iron Law of Prohibition, the feds CREATED these problems.
After acknowledging trillions have been burned and liberty gutted for no benefit but plenty of harm, you'd have to be insane or malicious to champion the same failed tactics again and again. Without an Amendment, the feds should not be banning or waging war on any inanimate object - drugs, guns, etc. Standing by complacently while government escaped its Constitutional chains is a large reason we find ourselves in this mess!
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Illegal immigrants are going to come in cartels-or-no-cartels, as long as there are jobs here for them once they inevitably get in.
Since the ‘price’ of getting caught is ‘you get sent back to try again’, and we only catch 60% of them… Every single one gets in eventually, just a question of how many tries.
‘Border security’ is a complete waste of money since in the scale of ‘individual lifetimes’ it stops absolutely no one and no things from entering the US no matter how much money we spend on it.
If we really cared about stopping illegal immigration, we would be going after the employers & their hiring managers – not wasting time playing ‘Red Rover’ with the individual immigrants who are trying to get in (and who inevitably will come right back in even if we do catch and deport them).
Eliminate the demand (the jobs) and the supply will go away on it’s own.
While I am NOT in favor of the US invading/bombing Mexico, the idea that legalization of drugs will ‘solve’ this is also wrong.
The entire western US has legalized weed. And the entire western US has a massive problem with illegal weed operations – which because they don’t have to bother with things like buying their own land (illegal grows tend to squat on public or private land, using threat of violence to prevent removal), obeying labor/environmental laws, paying minimum wage or paying any sort of taxes *easily* thrive against law-abiding competitors.
Users don’t care – they were willing to break the law to get high before legalization, and guess what… They’re still willing to break the law to get high now…
And that’s for a drug that at-most poses relatively minimal liability concerns to law-abiding citizens who wish to (quasi) legally sell it.
Now apply this to any of the major opioids, wherein no ‘big’ business in their right mind is going to officially sell for recreational use – lest they get sued the way Purdue did for unofficially supplying recreational users.
The cartels will still thrive even if we legalize drugs. Lower operating costs, cheaper labor, no environmental rules, no taxes & nobody’s going to sue the Zetas when their kid ODs.
Glad we're in agreement on the bombing issue!
As for scofflaws, they've always existed and always will. That's no excuse to do away with laws, but the laws we have should comport with the highest law of the land and focus on crimes against tangible, unwilling victims and not free adults who make bad choices.
I would also simply point out that the 'legal Cannabis failed' argument hinges upon those states' unbridled greed. As long as it's cheaper or easier to buy black market Cannabis, many will do just that. That's not exactly a 'free market environment;' it's just slightly less onerous Prohibition that they can exploit for financial gain.
As for the cartels? Of course they've diversified their income streams, but legalizing drugs would still put some hurt on their finances. There are no magic bullets or overnight solutions, but we have to start somewhere. For example, re-legalize drugs and whittle away at their profits, take away their ability to make *more* gargantuan profits and hunt down the incorrigibles while offering leniency to those willing to become (more) law-abiding. What we're doing clearly isn't working and returning to strict Constitutional governance can only benefit us all.
Even without the greed, the illegal producers would have a massive advantage because of all the compliance/liability costs they don't have to bother with...
The liability issue being a big one, when it comes to 'hard' drugs that can be lethal on first-use.
After seeing what happened to the tobacco companies, and the makers of oxycontin/etc what legitimate pharma firm would get into the recreational-opiod business *knowing* they would be sued over OD deaths, addiction, and so on - AND that they would be competing with crime-syndicates which do not face such liability issues.
I'd be willing to bet that big pharma indeed would supply narcotics OTC if it were legal. They wouldn't pass up business just because of legal costs.
You'd lose that bet. The idea that Pfizer Meth and Abbott Heroin would be on the shelf at Rite Aid next to the aspirin if narcotics were legalized is a ludicrous fantasy.
When competing against organized crime syndicates that pay no taxes, in some cases use slave labor (And even if not, don't obey labor laws), ignore environmental laws, use land they do not own for production, and cannot be sued for overdoses or addictions….
And with a customer base that is perfectly happy to use illegal product….
You’d have to be an idiot to go into that market as a legitimate business…
Pick up on the televangelized Tea-Partier who can see the future yet not win a bet!
Send all the opioid and meth users to Mexico.
But sarc don’t speak Mexican.
I’m sure he could idiotically rave in Spanish with a little work. He’s quite accomplished at that in English.
Better solution: declare war, go in and slaughter, then promptly colonize.
It's not 1800 anymore...
That is now against customary international law.
Because if there’s one thing voters agreed on in the last election cycle, it’s that we weren’t using the military enough.
We've been using it stupidly to intervene in foreign countries, instead of properly to defend our own borders.
+1000000000 EXACTLY.... Beat me to it...
Gosh; Maybe JUST AS SIMPLY as stopping invasions was all that was needed to begin with 🙂
The US was last invaded during WWII.
There is nothing for the military to 'stop' in North America.
Seems ur confused between an attack and an invasion.
We don’t have a military threat on our own borders. Russia is a threat to the US. China could-be. Mexico is not.
The cartels pose essentially zero risk to the average law-abiding US citizen.
This is also unlikely to change because it would be bad for business to provoke the US with the sort of violence they engage in inside Mexico.
How is Russia a threat to the U.S.? Or have you been watching CNN again?
He obviously has no idea what is going on at the border, not even the CNN version.
If we had the full cooperation and support of the Mexican government it might be worth considering using US military forces to aid the Mexican army against the cartels.
The first part of that is not likely to happen.
Plan Columbia had mixed results and ultimately failed, only because we didn't have Plan America, e.g. George Jung was caught driving 600 pounds of pot across the Country and later was caught trying to import 1800 pounds of coke and died in his 70's outside of jail.
So MORE totalitarian initiation of deadly force is the panacea, just like in France's old opium regie Vietnam?
Drugs are a conundrum.
Obviously the current prohibition approach has not worked.
If we invade Mexice, who exactly would we need to kill?
The soldiers, mayors, police and judges are all corrupted.
Local militias who defeat local drug lords seem to always get corrupted by the incredible profits.
It seems like the killing would never end as the profits are so large as to bring newcomers in no matter the possibility of death.
Complete legalization seems like it would bring its own problems.
As others have pointed out, criminal organizations will continue to have low cost of production and will undercut any legal producer on price.
Not to mention public consumption, drugged driving, and family harm.
Perhaps some kind of harm reduction policy.
Seems like a better idea would be to conquer Greenland and sent all drug users, sellers and smugglers there to an open air prison.
The problem with 'harm reduction' is the same as the problem with new-right immigration policy (eg, the idea that deporting people 'helps' ignores the fact that it's just a do-over - every last one of them will come back eventually): Bringing junkies back from OD just ensures they will continue to use, commit petty crime & OD again...
The logical/utilitarian response is to let them die - survival of the fittest & there's nothing fit about being a junkie.
Unfortunately, that is not politically viable.
Now I see the root of our disagreement—you have no soul.
Good idea! As soon as we finish mopping up the salt and insulin attics, we can start exterminating merry Jew wanna attics. They were the competition foreign pharma cartels wanted the US to help them wipe out in 1925 so they could sell more smack. The trick is to ban non-addictive, non-toxic stuff like mescaline, acid, MDMA, shrooms and plant tryptamines to make room for the stuff that gets customers for shysters, politicians and morgues.
Note to foreign readers: ignorant Americans label genuine libertarians outside the USA--in places where our Kleptocracy politicians export shoot-first prohibitionism--as "corrupt."
Welcome to recycling every fallacy invoked to send men with guns out breaking doors, shooting women and kids and robbing assets to protect religious zealots from Beelzebub's Beer and The Demon Rum. Herbert Hoover appointee Harry Anslinger would be proud!
I’m sorry, but it’s too much to ask people to take classified document handling seriously after they were declared nothingburgers years ago.
It’s like when people expected everyone to turn on Trump because he said something disrespectful about a woman: why shouldn’t he get the chance to rape his interns like any other president?
Donald Trump was a corrupt piece of crap with awful left-wing anti-free-market policy views *before* the Access Hollywood tape leaked…. He didn't 'get better', either - there was always something worse waiting around the corner....
And it’s not ‘any other’ President screwing around with the interns – it’s BJ Bill…
Well the US military could obliterate the cartels, but the civilian casualties would be significant.
All you need to do is take a stroll down Kensington Ave. in Philadelphia or along the street in the tenderloin District in Frisco or in Seattle or Portland where drug laws now allow for legal use in public and reap the rewards. Children should not have to step around used needles and human feces on their way to school.
This is the result of liberal drug policies that have moved away from rehabilitation and interdiction to just simple enabling.
SURPRISE! A brainwashed MAGA girl-bullier member of God's Own Prohibitionists thinks sending someone else's kids to do a Reverse Pancho Villa is a good initiation of force. Without the Nixon election subsidies rigging their elections, how many such xenophobic cowards could make it into Congress? (https://tinyurl.com/2p8hfeyk)
This just in: When Mike Waltz was a hostile foreign invader in Afhanistan, his mission was the same as Tom Loker's in "Uncle Tom's Cabin." The guy was hired as a slave-catcher. Small wonder NARAL is working to drum him out of Congress. The guy is Enemy One of the Original 1972 Libertarian Party Platform with its call to enforce the individual rights of women against superstitious girl-bulliers.
FINALLY! How many of our people to the cartel’s get to kill? How many illegal aliens do they get to pass to us to take care of? Time to put
Mexico over our knee! Way past due.
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