Britain's Conservative Government Sticks It to Consumers With Plastic Fork Ban
The country's new ban increases costs for businesses while doing nothing to address the problem of global plastic pollution.

The British government is continuing its long, fruitless war on single-use plastics with the announcement that it will be prohibiting plastic plates and cutlery in England.
"A plastic fork can take 200 years to decomposeβthat is two centuries in landfill or polluting our oceans," said United Kingdom Environment Secretary ThΓ©rΓ¨se Coffey to The Daily Mail over the weekend. "This new ban will have a huge impact to stop the pollution of billions of pieces of plastic."
Since October 2020, the British government has enforced a ban on providing plastic straws, stirrers, and cotton buds to customers in England. The regional governments of Scotland and Wales have adopted similar policies.
Details are still pending on what precisely will be prohibited by the U.K. government's new ban. The Daily Mail reports that it will target plastic plates, cups, and utensils distributed by restaurants but not grocery stores.
Some environmentalists are already criticizing the new ban for not being comprehensive enough. "This is like reaching for a mop instead of turning off the tap," said a Greenpeace U.K. spokesperson to The Guardian. The group wants far broader restrictions on the use of plastics.
But the truth is, regardless of how much plastic is being banned, these are all fights on the margins of the global problem of plastic pollution.
The vast majority of plastic that ends up in waterways and oceans is sourced from East Asian, African, and South American countries with poor waste management systems. Rich countries produce a lot more plastic waste, in aggregate and per capita, but almost all of it ends up in landfills, recycling plants, or incinerators.
Our World in Data notes that the U.K. produces twice as much plastic waste as the Philippines but that the average Filipino produces 100 times the mismanaged plastic as the average Briton. Overall, the U.K. is estimated to be responsible for about 0.05 percent of global marine plastic wasteβnot counting "recycled" plastic that is exported to other countries where waste mismanagement rates are high.
That's not nothing. But even if the British contribution to marine plastic waste were completely eliminated, the general problem of plastic pollution would not be affected.
(One 2020 study found that factoring in illegal dumping and mismanaged exported plastic waste significantly increased the share of global marine waste the U.S. was responsible for. It's possible similar treatment of the U.K.'s plastic exports would also bump up its numbers too. If that's true, the most immediate solution would be to send more plastic to domestic landfills instead of exporting it.)
Those marginal benefits have to be weighed against the costs of a ban, both to the environment and to individual choice and convenience.
When news of England's impending plastic fork ban surfaced last year, CNN wrote that "single-use plastics are also accelerating climate change, as most are derived from fossil fuels and produce emissions at every stage of their lifecycle."
The same could be said of steel and ceramic replacements for single-use dishes and cutlery. Their production, distribution, and discard will also produce emissions. Reusable plastic substitutes will also require water and energy to clean.
It's possible that could all create a net increase in emissions. One 2019 study on plastic bag bans found that replacement cotton tote bags would need to be reused 131 times in order to have the same impact on climate change as a single-use plastic bag.
Obviously, there's a reason businesses and consumers are using plastic utensils now instead of widely available alternatives: They're cheaper. Small business owners in the U.S. have complained that straw and Styrofoam bans add significantly to the costs of operating their businesses.
Those costs likely outweigh whatever environmental benefits will come from an exceedingly marginal reduction in global marine plastic waste.
This doesn't mean nothing can or should be done about the serious problem of plastic pollution.
"Domestic strategies to reduce plastics in [rich] countries will not make much difference to ocean plastics. What rich countries can do is support low-to-middle income countries in improving waste management infrastructure," wrote Our World in Data's Hannah Ritchie in a May 2021 analysis. "Improving waste management is a solution that very few people get excited about. But it's absolutely key to tackling plastic pollution."
That certainly sounds like a better idea than micromanaging when and where Englishmen can use a plastic fork.
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"and cotton buds "
They outlawed Q-Tips?
I think just ones with plastic sticks, I imagine the ones with paper sticks (like the actual Q-Tip brand) are fine.
I usually avoid the ones with plastic sticks. They're too damn flexible to use around the ear properly.
This could spork protests.
The government says Fork You.
I went to a math meet long ago and one of the teams introduced themselves with the teacher asking "What's one Q plus three Q?" to which everyone yelled "Fuuuuck youuuu!"
No you didn't.
Remember, when you stand in line for Vietnamese soup, you're in the pho queue.
The Pho soup I've seen on the shelf has sardines, so I say Phoq that!
British government is spoon feeding draconian regulations to the citizens.
"Food, glorious food..."
They took a wrong turn at the fork in the road.
They should have shoulda taken that left turn at Albuquerque.
There is a definite age limit to getting that joke.
Young farts just don't know what they're missing.
Those with an illegal piece of cutlery will be directed to fork it over.
Yep! These Brits sure are touchy about their eating ware!
Dirty Fork--Monty Python's Flying Circus
https://dai.ly/x2hwqmz
Peter Hitchens was right.
First they banned the spork, but I didn't use sporks so I didn't speak up...
His brother Christopher Hitchens was right too. Environmentalist Religion Poisons Everything too.
What rich countries can do is support low-to-middle income countries in improving waste management infrastructure
Support them how? Send encouraging letters? Ones with a big fat check in them by any chance? Is that what we mean by support them? Gimme cash or the sea turtles get it?
Stop trying to make them stay poor by limiting energy resources and insisting on expensive and inefficient new sources?
If you care about the environment (whatever that is) then you need to care about human economic development. No one gives a shit about plastic in the oceans if they have to worry about how to feed their kids.
" if they have to worry about how to feed their kids."
People don't eat eating utensils. Plastic or otherwise. Using utensils to eat with, multiple use implements make much more sense than single use.
So what do you use, chopsticks or fingers, Watermelon Rickshaw Boy?
I'm glad you asked. Single use tools aren't as energy efficient as multiple use tools. There's a reason our Hindu friends don't chop off their fingers after they finish their curry rice. They are sure to come in 'handy' at a later time, once properly cleaned.
If the peasants could eat with their hands in the middle ages, they can do so now!
/United Kingdom Environment Secretary Thérèse Coffey
BTW, is that the trans british flag?
The Union Jackqueline?
Nice. You've been busy these last few days. Making up for lost time?
The Union Jill? π
Fucking Brits. They can go fork themselves.
My favorite is the paper straw that comes packaged in plastic.
They can wrap plastic straws in paper, but a paper straw needs waterproof packaging.
paper straw needs waterproof packaging
A piece of wisdom that contains within it the reason why we haven't until now considered paper a particularly appropriate material for straws.
And all of it made, packaged, shipped, and distributed by means of metal machines. The irony is quintuple-smooth here! π
You don't need waterproof packaging if you don't get it wet. When I was a kid 60 years ago, the only straws were paper, and they were wrapped in paper. They didn't get soaked in transit.
But the paper straws never worked well. You got about 15 minutes after dipping the straw into your milk before the paper became too soft to hold it's shape.
Or the drink served in a plastic cup with a plastic lid, and paper straw.
The straw, of course, has the least material but is the one part most susceptible to short-term collapse when it gets wet. Which kind of demonstrates what this is really all about - ritually undergoing a useless inconvenience to satisfy (a) customers' primitive subconscious idea that problems are solved by "sacrifice", and (b) professional scolds desire to inflict that sacrifice.
Which kind of demonstrates what this is really all about β ritually undergoing a useless inconvenience to satisfy (a) customersβ primitive subconscious idea that problems are solved by βsacrificeβ, and (b) professional scolds desire to inflict that sacrifice.
Don't forget "empty proxy change standing in for real reforms the peasants are demanding."
Oh, who am I kidding, can we get back to discussing what vocabulary changes will finally end racism?
No. Obviously they do not, otherwise we wouldn't be discussing this.
You're right. The State has no business banning plastic forks.
Only the headline blames the conservative government. The article does not. In fact the article is about left leaning groups saying it didnβt go far enough.
This is a follow up to the European Parliament as well.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/eu-bans-plastic-forks-straws-q-tips
In fact this law was pushed way back in 2021, just being executed now.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/british-government-ban-single-use-plastic-utensils
This is what happens when you get your climate change advice from Greta Thunberg, Plumbers, dog walkers and people in leotards who prance around on stage for a living.
I saw a fork in a river once.
Was the river in Egypt?
Evidently, he in denial. Get it? denial? De Nile?
Okay! I'll see my way out!
π
I once saw a river in my pajamas.
What's a river doing in your pajamas? π
A fork in a river is called an island.
"I am a rock!
I am an island!"
--Simon & Garfunkel
Did you do like Yogi Berra and take it? π
You know what other government is banning plastic cutlery?
Hold on to your hats...
Trudeau's.
Trudeau? Well I NEVER! I simply canβt truck with all this illiberal βliberalism!β
Keep trying to tell yall that the anglosphere is coordinating
https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1612247495303733249?t=JHHj3VWHtYB6pHgfxnFufg&s=19
Respecting the democratic will of the people is paramount in any democracy β including Brazil. Canada strongly condemns the violent behaviour on display there today, and we reaffirm our support for President @LulaOficial and Brazilβs democratic institutions.
https://twitter.com/mazemoore/status/1612252316458950658?t=qTRfuhbL8gpZxR7aHSpPjw&s=19
Here is a video of Trump inciting an insurrection in Brazil.
My mistake, itβs McCain doing it in Ukraine.
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https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1612611495560417280?t=Y2Fg4ekRWU8yrZADuu4AfA&s=19
The entire world has a stake in the success of Brazilβs democracy. Together, we must reject any effort to overturn or disrupt the will of the Brazilian people and affirm the peaceful transfer of power as a cornerstone of democracy.
Hmm
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/exclusive-cia-chief-told-bolsonaro-government-not-mess-with-brazil-election-2022-05-05/
RIO DE JANEIRO/WASHINGTON, May 5 (Reuters) - The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) director last year told senior Brazilian officials that President Jair Bolsonaro should stop casting doubt on his country's voting system ahead of the October election, sources told Reuters.
Stick a fork in Merry Old England. As anything resembling a free society, sheβs done.
Some environmentalists are already criticizing the new ban for not being comprehensive enough. "This is like reaching for a mop instead of turning off the tap," said a Greenpeace U.K. spokesperson to The Guardian. The group wants far broader restrictions on the use of plastics.
It's more like sitting there listening to an environmentalist's policy advice on silver or plasticware when, really, you should just stab them in the face either way.
They complain about water usage and chemicals, so we switch to disposable tableware. Then they complain about the trash.
It's not about sustainable solutions, it's about sustainable complaining.
And I'm completely shooting from the hip here, but I'd guess that the carbon footprint of a glass or metal straw is roughly 10,000 times that of a plastic straw.
Most environmentalists don't realize that almost all plastic is essentially a by-product of gasoline production. Not using it does not mean it just 'goes away.' In fact, producing plastic from crude oil by-products is largely taking substances that are toxic and generally environmentally damaging from the natural environment and turning them into some of the most inert and non-toxic things known to humanity.
But once they have been stained by human labor they acquire bad juju, apparently.
Michael Crichton: Environmentalism is a religion, 2003
http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Articles-Main/ID/2818/Crichton-Environmentalism-is-a-religion
Today, one of the most powerful religions in the Western World is environmentalism. Environmentalism seems to be the religion of choice for urban atheists. Why do I say it's a religion? Well, just look at the beliefs. If you look carefully, you see that environmentalism is in fact a perfect 21st century remapping of traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs and myths.
There's an initial Eden, a paradise, a state of grace and unity with nature, there's a fall from grace into a state of pollution as a result of eating from the tree of knowledge, and as a result of our actions there is a judgment day coming for us all. We are all energy sinners, doomed to die, unless we seek salvation, which is now called sustainability. Sustainability is salvation in the church of the environment. Just as organic food is its communion, that pesticide-free wafer that the right people with the right beliefs, imbibe.
Eden, the fall of man, the loss of grace, the coming doomsday---these are deeply held mythic structures. They are profoundly conservative beliefs. They may even be hard-wired in the brain, for all I know. I certainly don't want to talk anybody out of them, as I don't want to talk anybody out of a belief that Jesus Christ is the son of God who rose from the dead. But the reason I don't want to talk anybody out of these beliefs is that I know that I can't talk anybody out of them. These are not facts that can be argued. These are issues of faith
They may even be hard-wired in the brain, for all I know.
Probably not, but endlessly socially reinforced to the point where they might as well be.
IMHO:
Eden = vague memories of early childhood when you acted without restraint and were fed and kept safe from harm with nothing expected from you in return (a condition that largely only ever existed in your own mind and that you associated with god-like parental figures who gradually became small and human as you grew up)
The Fall of Man, the Loss of Grace = that growing up process in which you realize that your parents are fallible, they can't keep you safe, people are shitty, and you're not so great yourself
The Coming Doomsday = yes, you really are going to die, and there's nothing whatsoever you can do about it
We cope with these by inventing complicated stories about how things things apply to the world and to history but not to us personally, thus deflecting the associated emotions onto unrelated things through complicated systems of symbolism known as 'religions.'
Interesting take, but it misses the point.
The point being that the environmental religion dovetails easily into a society with a Christian tradition.
Gives its followers the ability to be condescending atheists and religious zealots at the same time!
It's like teenage rebellion, and about as thoughtful.
The point being that the environmental religion dovetails easily into a society with a Christian tradition.
Because only Christianity imagines an ideal past from which Mankind fell in order to be hurled towards an inevitable Doomsday?
I don't think I missed the point at all, thank you very much.
How does that dovetail into Buddhism or Hinduism? Taoism or Sikh?
Some other cultures that believed in an ideal past, with mankind falling towards doom:
1) The Norse believed that the world was inevitably headed towards Ragnarok, where Men would fall to the trolls and ice giants.
2) The ancient Greeks such as Hesiod (7 centuries before Christ) believed that mankind had declined morally and physically from the original Golden Age through the Silver Age, Bronze Age (warfare), Heroic Age (Homer's heroes), and to the Iron Age (Hesiod's present) of grinding toil and misery, lies and corruption, and everything bad.
Thanks. I've been trying to put that into words.
"you see that environmentalism is in fact a perfect 21st century remapping of traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs and myths."
This is just posturing and name calling. Environmentalism is about nature. Religion is beliefs and rituals that are used to intercede with the super natural. Two different realms. If any religion maps to environmentalism, it's an animist one, like Japanese Shinto, where all beings, plants and animals are ensouled, and super natural. Christianity teaches us that humans have souls, but not animals or plants.
"Sustainability is salvation in the church of the environment. "
This is more nonsense. The folks who designed a sustainable environment for the Apollo 11 astronauts weren't motivated by religious dogma. They wanted the astronauts to return to Earth alive and well.
"These are issues of faith"
So you reject the idea that a sustainable environment is desirable? But you can't tell us why?
And people worry way too much about landfills. Put plastics in a well designed landfill and their carbon stays out of the atmosphere and the plastic stays out of waterways.
I think I read somewhere that the whole of the US needs about 100 sq miles of landfill for all of the trash likely to be produced in 100 years. That sounds like a lot, but spread around the country it's nothing.
Yes. Fear of landfills is based on emotion, not facts.
That sounds like a lot, but spread around the country itβs nothing.
Yes, and in fact you can ultimately just bury the stuff and never think about it again, moving on to a new place to bury stuff. It is the quintessential faux-problem.
Part of the original switch to disposal tableware was also by government fiat. Some governments (NYC comes to mind) mandated that restaurants buy expensive sanitizing dishwashers to continue to use the reusable tableware. In response, due to cost, these establishments switched to the disposable stuff to lessen their costs. So basically, we have government making a new problem after government created the problem in the first place.
So basically, we have government making a new problem after government created the problem in the first place.
Huh. How unusual.
Does anyone ever explain why taking 200 years to break down in a landfill is a bad thing? Land. Fill. What part of that do they not understand?
It isn't. 200 years isn't even a bat of an eyelash in geologic time.
The part that requires processing words.
Fiestaware probably takes longer to decay.
U238 half life is billions of years, so definitely.
And if you are worried about CO2 in the atmosphere, how is it not a good thing? All of that carbon from fossil fuels is safely in the ground for at least 200 years. Sounds like a efficient way to do carbon sequestration.
"Does anyone ever explain why taking 200 years to break down in a landfill is a bad thing? "
0 years - the time it takes for a non-existent single use plastic fork to break down.
To Roberta,
Iβm just guessing here.
Maybe the fact that the forks last 200 years means the landfill will get full and have to close.
And new landfills will have to be found.
While if they decomposed, the landfill would be useful for a longer time before it became full.
Once again, proof that conservatives are not libertarian. Yeah I know, "conservative" means something different over there than it does here. But the meme that libertarians are just more extreme conservatives is bullshit on both sides of the pond.
People on the left say libertarians are extreme conservatives because of economic issues. Libertarians donβt want the economy controlled by the government. People on the right say libertarians are extreme progressives because of personal issues. Libertarians donβt want personal lives controlled by the government.
What they left and right share is a hatred for libertarians because they object to things being controlled by government.
Or to put it differently, the left and the right agree that government needs more control. The arguments are about who controls what.
Hitler and Churchill were conservatives for monarchy and/or empire. Churchill was more tolerant of voting for lack of a better alternative. Hitler, the more religious of the two, argued democracy was paralyzing. Better to decide, then spring that decision on the riff-raff, just like today's secret police and congressional committees do.
I figure at some point someone will invent a way to make mining landfills profitable, and the trash problem will go away.
The English used to eat with knives back in the Middle Ages, but now most knives are illegal.
Bottom line: Thomas Jefferson and his fellow petitioners are vindicated once again!
Coming soon to a State near you!
The Union Jill? π
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