Why Are Some Republicans Revolting Against Kevin McCarthy's Bid To Be Speaker of the House?
The insurgent Republicans want to balance the budget, impose new barriers to immigration, and increase transparency for future earmark spending.

For the first time in 100 years, no one was elected speaker of the House on the first ballot when the new session of Congress opened on Tuesday—thanks to a breakaway faction of Republicans who denied Rep. Kevin McCarthy's (R–Calif.) bid to return to the top post in the House of Representatives.
McCarthy finished second to Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D–N.Y.) in the first round of voting, but neither candidate reached the magic number of 218 needed to win a majority. Rep. Andy Biggs (R–Ariz.) received 10 votes on the first ballot, while Rep. Jim Jordan (R–Ohio) picked up six votes and three other lawmakers got one vote each. In all, 19 Republicans voted against McCarthy, who can afford to lose just four votes and maintain a majority of the closely divided chamber.
In a second round of balloting, Jeffries got 212 votes while McCarthy received 203, and Jordan consolidated the 19 Republican votes against McCarthy.
But why, you might be wondering, would a group of Republicans trigger this sort of chaos?
On Tuesday morning, Rep. Scott Perry (R–Penn.), one of the renegade Republicans, laid out the answer to that question in a lengthy statement posted to his Twitter account. Perry said that the group of Republicans opposed to McCarthy was seeking "firm commitments" from McCarthy on four "concrete policies" they wished to bring to a vote.
Those policies, according to Perry: A balanced budget, passage of the Fair Tax Act (which would replace the federal income, payroll, and estate taxes with a national sales tax), passage of a proposal crafted by Texas Republicans that aims to crack down on illegal immigration, and the imposition of term limits for members of Congress.
Additionally, Perry said that McCarthy was asked to support two changes to how the House operates. First, to require a two-thirds vote to approve earmarks, which would have to be voted on individually. Second, to allow amendments that would cut spending to be introduced on the House floor to any legislation.
As a set of proposals, it's a bit of a mixed bag—though the immigration element would be a massively expensive attempt to limit the free movement of people. It's also a bit crazy that lawmakers have to resort to once-in-a-century tactics just to get congressional leaders to consider balancing the budget.
But it is certainly not a radical or wildly irresponsible list of demands. More transparency and accountability on earmarks—something that hasn't really materialized despite the promises of those who pushed to end the earmark ban—would certainly be welcome. Floor amendments to legislation would be a step toward restoring the so-called "regular order" of moving legislation through Congress, another welcome and overdue reform.
In that same Tuesday morning statement, Perry said McCarthy effectively forfeited his chance to be speaker by refusing to go along with those requests. Later on Tuesday, Perry and his fellow breakaway Republicans followed through with that threat.
What happens now? It's unclear. There will be a third vote in the House, and perhaps many more. In 1855, it took 133 ballots before a stalemate for speaker of the House was broken.
"We are going to continue to vote until Kevin's the next speaker," Rep. Dave Joyce (R–Ohio), a McCarthy supporter, told CNN after the second round of balloting on Tuesday.
It might look chaotic and weird, but actually, this is just fine. It's democracy. For the moment, and maybe longer, think of the House of Representatives as functioning more like a multi-party democracy than the two-party duopoly that we're used to seeing.
In multiparty systems, two or more parties have to come together and form a coalition in order to achieve a governing majority. That requires some horse-trading and usually involves drawing up a semiformal document outlining what policies the coalition will work together to craft (and sometimes, equally importantly, which policies will be off-the-table).
For the purposes of the speaker election, Perry and his fellow renegade Republicans are operating like a minority party in a multiparty system: offering their support in exchange for getting to put a hand on the steering wheel of the future coalition government. If McCarthy doesn't want to make a deal with them, he might have to seek a coalition government with a centrist faction of Democrats. Failing that, Republicans might try to find someone else within their ranks who can get the requisite 218 votes from the chamber.
However it plays out, Tuesday's election for speaker of the House probably illustrates how Congress' next few years will look. Slim majorities in both chambers mean breakaway factions of Democrats (in the Senate) and Republicans (in the House) will be able to exert considerable influence over policy making. And it's at least a little bit refreshing to see some Republicans using that influence to talk about, well, actual policies.
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The insurgent Republicans want to balance the budget
Nineteen Republicans do. Big improvement over 2017-2021 when none did.
"The insurgent Republicans want to balance the budget..."
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Are you sure you want to hear that?
Not really, but I like to call the turd on his pedophilia as much as possible.
Because your mom is all used up.
Nice try Shreek. My mom would beat you to death, and she’s 87.
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Now tell us all where Democrats wanted to balance the budget or even CUT-SPENDING! Trump CUT selective spending, CUT taxing, CUT regulation.
Why yes; Republicans need to do a much better job and stop being RINO'S.. But YOU paint a compulsive narrative that the better party/president is somehow 'horrible' in contrast to the actual lack of the lefts 'aim' for anything but Armed-Theft run amuck spending with no limits and regulating everything to death.
Funny how getting flipped face-down by libertarian spoiler votes in Georgia suddenly changes the God's Own Prohibitionist light cone. (https://bit.ly/3QpGuKk)
Well what did he do to deserve the 1st ballot? Did he transform the shortstop position by hitting the long ball while also racking up a couple golden gloves?
McCarthy is Double-AA at best.
Democrats know that he can't hit one of their curveballs and they've got a beauty of a 12-6 one that drops faster than the stock market.
Batteries or brassiere size?
The Fair Tax would be a drastic improvement over the current byzantine tax code produced by a century of congress selling favors to their donors. It would, however, make it vastly more difficult for a member of congress to get rich on the graft, so even if the Republicans manage to pass it in the house, there's no way it will get through a Democrat senate, and Joe's puppeteers would certainly veto it.
I'm afraid that the only way we'll ever get serious tax reform is by calling the constitutional convention.
-jcr
I would also be OK with a low-percentage income tax (10-20%) with a rather large automatic / standard deductible built in (say, $50k?) and few if any other adjustments, loopholes, incentives, rebates, or credits.
Combine that with a modest (5%?) national sales tax on all of the stuff we currently pay sales taxes on locally, except: Primary residence, primary transportation, groceries.
No tax system is perfect, but it seems like that would be a lot simpler than what we have now. And Warren Buffet would be paying at least the same amount as his secretary, finally.
I object to the income tax in principle because it's none of the government's fucking business what I earn. From a utilitarian standpoint also, we waste billions of man-hours on calculating taxes and the country as a whole probably loses hundreds of billions from the effects of every business decision being subject to consideration of the tax implications. The "Fair Tax" eliminates an enormous burden over and above the theft itself.
-jcr
I object to the income tax in principle because it’s none of the government’s fucking business what I earn.
I agree, but for a different reason.
It's an economic axiom that when you tax something you get less of it.
Taxing income, as in the returns on producing goods and services for the economy, discourages production. You won't see me get a second job because the meager returns would be taxed as if I got a raise at my day job. After Uncle Sam takes 35% off the top, a $20/hr side job isn't worth the effort.
As far as taxes go, I think consumption taxes are the least evil. At least they're somewhat avoidable. Don't want to pay the tax? Don't buy XYZ taxed product.
Taxing income and returns on investment discourages productive economic activity that grows the pie. A small slice of a big pie is better than small piece of a small pie.
"Don’t want to pay the tax? Don’t buy XYZ taxed product."
Or buy homemade shit from your neighbor, untaxed! Fat cats will NOT be able to buy homemade, underground Leer Jets, yachts, and limousines... But peons can buy peon-stuff and peed-on stuff! As a fairly skilled handy-man and craftsman... I just LOVE the idea!!!
I feel certain that you would be the sort of person that would make top quality products and have no trouble attracting customers with your winning personality.
Thanks much! That brightens my day!
(Honest and benevolent people are generally WAAAAY under-appreciated, even hated, derided, and sometimes KILLED for their efforts, which makes this extra special for me. For full sociobiological, well-documented details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ )
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of lefty shit. But please have your grave well marked so we know where to shit.
OK, that is really funny, addressed to the TDS-addled shit-pile spastic asshole.
Sumbitch is entirely too stupid to offer free dope and get any takers.
Fuck off Squirrely. You're on mute now. Something I should have done a looooooooooooong time ago.
Good luck living in Your Perfect Universe of Perfect Libertarians... Consisting of ONE Perfect Person!
Good luck not eating shit, shit-muncher.
When socks attack themselves.
It’s an economic axiom that when you tax something you get less of it.
But there's no need for axioms when we have evidence. In practice is this true?
Are you so stupid as to assume otherwise? Of course you are.
Fuck off and die, lefty scumbag.
Hey, you worthless POS, you don't make assumptions when you have evidence. It may well be true in the real world - a place you've apparently never visited - and therefore there should be evidence a-plenty, but asserting as an economic axiom instead of using evidence is intellectually lazy. So no wonder you defend it, being a brainless cunt.
And of course I'm not a leftist except in comparison to craven authoritarian fascist scumbags like you,
There is one aspect of the Fair (sales) Tax that no one seems to discuss. The income tax has deductions and loopholes that create an entire industry of lobbyists. What will "K Street" do when there is no income tax? Answer - deductions and exemptions for the Fair Tax. Unless there is a "absolutely no exceptions" clause to the Fair Tax law, it will result in something even worse than the income tax.
After all do you want to tax milk when children's lives depend on it? Do you want to tax food for the elderly? Or energy for the poor? or.... I think it's obvious that "here be dragons".
One of my biggest fears of the Fair Tax is that it will be passed without an amendment banning Income Tax. What's to stop Congress from doing both?
...or a federal sales tax. The government will always find a way to extract more money from the taxpayers. Usually the most regressive form of taxes, keeping the poor and working class down.
There would have to be a repeal of the income tax amendment, but that would be virtually impossible. Democrats would turn loose their hordes of “mostly peaceful” rioters before they would let that happen.
The income tax is the Holy Grail of progressives which is why abolishing it would be the single greatest blow ever struck against run away government spending.
Even if there is a “absolutely no exceptions” clause to the Fair Tax law it would simply get amended out in short order. It would need to be a constitutional amendment (that also repeals the 16th).
Unless there is a “absolutely no exceptions” clause to the Fair Tax law
There is. As you say, that's the only way it would work.
Income tax taxes an activity that produces wealth. That's why it's bad.
A sales tax taxes an activity that destroys wealth (consumption). That's why it's good.
Of course, a sales tax is "regressive", in the sense that high income earners consume much less as a percentage of their income. But that's a good thing, since the money high income earners don't consume goes into capital investments, which, again, benefit everybody.
A sales tax is still bad, it's just not AS bad as taxing productivity. All taxation diverts wealth from the productive, voluntary economy to the coercive, parasitic government.
-jcr
"A sales tax taxes an activity that destroys wealth (consumption)."
Unsupported claim. Consumption encourages investment, which increases wealth.
More importantly, consumption is the basis of trade and all free trade increases wealth: The buyer of a good desires the good more than the cost. The seller of a good desires the currency more than the good.
Absent some busy-body sticking a nose in the transaction, both agents are 'wealthier' after the trade than before. Not much, but by some
Multiply by the number of free trades in the world today, and you see why we are far better off than we were even 30 years ago.
Now, let's get the scumbag FBI creeps arrested to prevent the loss of that freedom.
Sales taxes don't reduce consumption, they just redirect it from private consumption to government consumption. And that's preferable to redirecting capital investments to government consumption.
You are an economic imbecile.
You think consumption destroys wealth, you shouldn't be calling anyone an economic imbecile.
But he said it with such confidence.
"the money high income earners don’t consume goes into capital investments"
The money high income earners don't consume often goes into stock buy-backs, financial instruments and overseas investments. This kind of indirect impact to the economy spurs much less growth than direct spending/consumption. If you divide the same pile of money among 1000 poor people vs. giving it to 1 rich person the 1000 poor people's spending will create more jobs and stimulate the economy more than the very indirect impact from the 1 rich person.
The wealthy can't buy enough yachts, houses and vacations to make the same economic impact as lots of folks buying food, clothing and other necessities.
Politicians largely get rich on private sector jobs and regulatory capture. Selling tax policy favors is insignificant in comparison.
Once upon a time the 'National' defense government was funded by either the State's or Imposts. That makes the best sense to me. If the "Union of States" governing bodies responsibilities is to defend the 'nation' at the 'national' level it's funding should focus on foreign imposts.
Ironically; The US Constitution addresses taxing every State equally. It never addressed taxing every Citizen equally. Maybe the 'Feds' wouldn't be so Power-Mad if they were kept contained within the funding they were originally authorized to obtain.
That would've eliminated the whole theft by fiat of the 'Feds' (printer go brrrr) by the Constitution requiring tax-debt be paid by gold or silver and also would've eliminated the Great Depression.
Maybe the original founders after massive death and suffering to escape a totalitarian government was a whole heck of a lot more educated about what makes the greatest nation ever than self-entitled Armed-Robbers (totalitarian government supporters) this nation packs with it today.
As history repeats itself, over, and over, and over again.
Problem is the tax system now is so built in and engrained that we will never see a fair tax. There are way, way, way too many who benefit or their lives are attached to the current tax system. From your everyday CPA to IRS agents and members of Congress, way too many people have an interest in keep the code as is that nothing will ever change.
I've been saying this for years....The sheer number of people in both the public and private sectors who would suddenly find out they're unemployed is exactly why we'll never see a radical change in our bizarre tax code.
Same reason we'll never see legalized drugs.
OK, how about funding the federal government with a national sales tax?
In round numbers, we bought $7 trillion of retail stuff in 2022. Add another $1 trillion in food services.
Meanwhile the Feds spent $6.3 trillion.
A simple calculation shows that we would need a 90% federal sales tax rate. With state and local taxes, call it an even 100%.
That should be fun, and good for the economy.
It's also regressive as hell.
You must be very scared by the prospect of welfare recipients having to pay for some of their benefits.
Why? They're already robbing proggy cities with impunity and if you score at all on the oppression olympics scale you can beat and rob the citizens as well as the shops.
They won’t. The welfarians will receive more money to cover the higher cost of goods. This is basically what happens with food stamps.
Groceries cost more now, so welfarians receive more food stamps. That, in turn, relieves market pressure to grocers and farmers, who can increase prices. The cycle continues with welfarians getting even more the next year.
Who gets hurt? Anyone not on welfare.
Of course; obvious
The Fair Tax proposal is not regressive.
https://fairtax.org/
As usual, the real problem is the spending.
Here's their FAQ.
It works at 23%.
-jcr
Which, incidentally, is the kind of sales tax rate that European nations have, on top of high income tax rates.
You're assuming the Fair Tax would have to balance the budget. That's not part of the proposal and obviously not what current taxation does.
Because he is a tepid controlled opposition member.
How GOPe is he?
I’m surprised that Hank isn’t here raving about the ‘Gee oh Pee’ and ‘God’s own Prohibitionists’.
Maybe because McCarthy is revolting and he stinks too.
There is a solution good for the country.
https://bit.ly/3Q1hzOM December 29, 2022, CityWatch, How Kevin McCarthy Can Become President in 2024
That was hilarious. The guy's a crazy J6 insurrection narrative pusher, but it was still funny.
Kevin McCarthy is amoral. He has no policy goals other than self promotion. Kevin is not even loyal to his own lies. His detachment from morality gives him great political freedom. “Kevin basically is whatever you want him to be. He lies. He’ll change the lie if necessary. . . . I can’t recall a time when he came into my office to talk about substantive political policy...
Similar to McCarthy, 90% of members of Congress are amoral and power politics is their only religion...
Two facts to remember: (1) Congress is devoid of morality, and (2) When Congress members’ political survival depends on centrism, they will shun the extremes – not because it is right but because it is politically safe...
But why, you might be wondering, would a group of Republicans trigger this sort of chaos?
Because fucking up a win is part of the GOP platform?
It's pretty simple Conservatives are individualists and liberals are collectivists.
There are no "liberals" in the Democratic party. Please call them "progressives" or "democratic socialists".
Co-signed
+100000; The ANTI-Individual Liberty and/or Justice Party..
[WE] gang's Liberty to STEAL form people and [WE] gangland-justice (which ever gang gets the most member is king of the mountain).
Instead of ‘liberal’, just say ‘Marxist’. It’s more accurate and it passes them off.
And quiet acquiesence to the leftist tilting status quo is better?
Not my circus. Not my monkeys. From the peanut gallery, however, it is somewhat encouraging that at least 19 Republicans may be taking seriously the "smaller government" meme that supposedly motivates all members of their Party.
This looks like a prime opportunity for me to explain a few things I’ve learned on this planet, while becoming a geezer. A few things, that is, about human nature, and excessive self-righteousness, tribalism, the “rush to judge” others, and the urge to punish.
“Team R” politician: “The debt is too large, and government is too powerful. If you elect ME, I will FIX that budget-balance problem SOON! But, first things first! THOSE PEOPLE OVER THERE ARE GETTING ABORTIONS!!! We must make the liberals CRY for their sins! AFTER we fix that RIGHT AWAY, we’ll get you your budget balanced and low taxes!”
“Team D” politician: “The debt is too large, and I’ll get that fixed soon, I promise you, if you elect ME! First, the more important stuff, though: THOSE PEOPLE OVER THERE ARE OWNING GUNS!!! We must PROTECT the American People from guns and gun-nuts!!! AFTER we fix that RIGHT AWAY, we’ll get our budgets balanced!”
And then we gripe and gripe as Government Almighty grows and grows, and our freedoms shrink and shrink. And somehow, the budget never DOES get balanced!
Now LISTEN UP for the summary: Parasites and politicians (but I repeat myself) PUSSY GRAB US ALL by grabbing us by… Guess what… by our excessive self-righteousness, tribalism, the “rush to judge” others, and the urge to PUNISH-PUNISH-PUNISH those “wrong” others! Let’s all STOP being such fools, and STOP allowing the politicians OF BOTH SIDES from constantly pussy-grabbing us all, right in our urge to… Pussy-grab the “enemies”, which is actually ALL OF US (and our freedoms and our independence, our ability to do what we want, without getting micro-managed by parasites)!!!
Shorter and sweeter: The pussy-grabbers are actually pussy-grabber-grabbers, grabbing us all in our pussy-grabbers. Let us all (as best as we can) AMPUTATE our OWN nearly-useless-anyways pussy-grabbers, and the pussy-grabber-grabbers will NOT be able to abuse us all NEARLY ass much ass these assholes are doing right now!
Sqrlsy's heckler's veto shitpost.
Too bad the spamflag isn't working.
Says the MOST EVIL bitch of them all, Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer, who has a pussy-grabber on NUCLEAR STEROIDS!!! And then She is utterly SHOCKED when scheming politicians use their pussy-grabber-grabbers to turn Her into a TOOL of theirs! Even MORE of a TOOL than She already is, that is!
Maybe Reason will fix the comment section now that the holidays are over.
Smaller government? A larger border presence barring people from free movement is not smaller government. Prohibiting people from voting for someone just because they've been in office a few years is not smaller government. A national sales tax is not smaller government. Those reich-wing yayhoos wouldn't know smaller government if it fell on them in a book read by a drag queen.
With a name like yours, Anastasia Beaverhausen, I could sure see why all of the right-wing wrong-nuts and pussy-grabbers and beaver-grabbers scare the ever-living daylights out of you! They scare the ever-living daylights out of me and my ass, ass well! And THAT ain't too swell!
Fuck off you proggy cunt. You're mysteriously silent on every leftist predation on Americans and their livelihoods but here in full support of unlimited invasion and welfare for 3rd worlders with nothing to contribute. Go back to Jacobin or Salon where you'll feel more at home.
Drag queen story hour is a threat to The Sacred Essence of Purity of Life in the Universe Everywhere!!! Man the barricades, and haten down the batches!!!
One just loves how anytime Republicans push for smaller government some wack-a-doodle shows up demanding ……. if the government HAS ANY purpose at all …….. (like protecting the nation against invasion) then all the sudden its a sign of being hypocritical…
I agree with national sales tax *ISN’T* smaller government – in fact I think it should require a Constitutional Amendment as did the income tax. But how the F does term limits ON government equate to expanding Gov? Expanding Gov LIMITS on itself?? WTF?
Your not even attempting to make any points. UR just manipulating everything that could de-stain Republicans as all leftards and their [WE] mob RULES mentality does.
Thank God any are revolting against McCarthy.
"Whycome Rs not follow establishment, like we?"
-Reason magazine
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No Speaker of the House is a big improvement. Now if we can get rid of the rest of Congress, the President, the Cabinet and the Supreme Court we can all sleep a lot better.
That can be done
and Jordan consolidated the 19 Republican votes against McCarthy
Funny since Jordan nominated McCarthy for speaker.
Jordan doesn’t want the job. He wants to run the Judiciary committee.
Never mind the sideshow about holding votes on bills which will then die in the Senate.
The “bring it to a vote” stuff will presumably mean holding a meaningless vote and then forgetting all about it afterwards.
So let’s look at the two proposals which seem to mean something:
“Additionally, Perry said that McCarthy was asked to support two changes to how the House operates. First, to require a two-thirds vote to approve earmarks, which would have to be voted on individually. Second, to allow amendments that would cut spending to be introduced on the House floor to any legislation.”
I don’t know about earmarks, the alternative is probably to give spending discretion to the executive. So forget that.
Which leaves one policy: More votes on cutting spending (I don’t know about the parliamentary details, but it sounds OK). Of course, any cuts the House supports will be negotiated away in the Senate, so this, too, may turn into another “we voted!” stunt.
Come to think of it, it all sounds very disappointing.
At least it might topple McCarthy, if he’s so lame he won’t support even symbolic measures in the right direction.
Time for Kevin to bring out the party whips.
Piece of cake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_QLzthSkfM
>> on four "concrete policies"
lol "we want the entire place remodeled for free before we'll step inside"
We already have term limits - they're called elections. If a majority of people want to vote out their elected official, there's an opportunity at the next election.
Seems to be working great so far.
I don’t care how much I like someone, 20 plus years in office is too much. And some of them are in the 40-50 year range for the same office.
"And a statute of limitations is when the defendant is found not guilty," said the moron.
Yeah, if only elections actually worked that way. If only there were no incumbent advantage, party machineries, and corruption.
^This guy gets it.
"We already have term limits – they’re called elections..."
Lefty shit tries sophistry. Fails.
Nixon-cash subsidies to entrenched looter soft machines are not elections. The correct expression is rigging the outcome to exclude the LP.
Why Are Some Republicans Revolting Against Kevin McCarthy's Bid To Be Speaker of the House?
Because they're criminally insane. Despite several thousand years of evidence to the contrary, they're still convinced that there are political solutions to the problems caused by politics and politicians. It doesn't matter who Speaker of the House is, as long as it's a politician we're still going to have the same fucked-up shit.
For whatever it's worth... the same fucked-up shit is at least better than the same fucked-up shit on nuclear steroids! Always look on the bright side of life, Brian! (And now let's all chant in perfect unison, "do your own thing!")
Happy New Year!
Did you read their policy demands? They're not terrible. I'll take the bad if the good includes a real attempt to balance the budget.
Yeah, there really isn't much in there that's unreasonable from a governing perspective. There isn't a hope in hell of any of it coming to fruition, but it's a great way to spotlight just how unserious the GOPe is about sticking their neck out for anything that isn't part of the gentlemen's agreement to only take a hard line on tax cuts and defense spending.
Seems to me that throwing sand into the gears of Congress is quite rational for people interested in liberty.
This is a great way for a dozen Republicans to keep Congress from doing anything foolish for a few days or weeks.
If I were in congress I'd vote for that lying guy from New York. At least he's upfront about his lying.
Only because he got found out.
As opposed to you who has been found lying and keeps posting, shitbag?
Asserted without evidence, you lowlife dogfucker.
Whining by TDS-addled pile of lefty shit.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Cite?
If we had the free movement of people the US population would be 7 billion.
If we had the free movement of bowels, the entire Milky Way Galaxy would be covered in shit!!!
(Therefor, Government Almighty REQUIRES you to strictly keep your shit TOGETHER, and keep it to YOURSELF!!!)
No, at some point during the mass rush to emigrate to the US, conditions here would become as bad as in the shitholes that people are fleeing from, and the flow would stop. I'd be surprised if we passed a billion and a half.
“Those policies, according to Perry: A balanced budget, passage of the Fair Tax Act (which would replace the federal income, payroll, and estate taxes with a national sales tax), passage of a proposal crafted by Texas Republicans that aims to crack down on illegal immigration, and the imposition of term limits for members of Congress.”
I’d like a unicorn that shits gold. One is about as likely as the other.
...(which would replace the federal income, payroll, and estate taxes with a national sales tax)...
Yeah man... They will add the new tax while TEMPORARILY keeping the old taxes, till the debt is at least a wee tad paid off... Butt then very quickly the TEMPORARY retention of the old taxes will become... PERMANENT! We'll simply be left with MORE taxes! And then we will all be SHOCKED, just utterly SHOCKED!
It’s never been done but they don’t have to restrict themselves to voting for members of Congress. They could bring in an outsider.
They could bring back Gingrich. Not that he would want to go through that again at his age.
While it's entertaining to watch, this is simply political nerd porn. Make it interesting and put Fetterstroke in the position. I'm sure there are plenty of procedural rules which would require both his presence and voice.
The “renegades” have a better agenda than the establishment folks. Balanced budget? Yes please. Secure border? Where do I sign up? Force a public 2/3 vote on all earmarks? Sign me up! Term limits? About f***ing time. I hope they hold out FOREVER! I don’t know how to react to Republicans with actual stones. Am I in some alternate dimension?
I don't know about term limits, but there definitely needs to be an age limit imposed. If Reps can't be elected until they turn 25, there needs to be a cutoff point for oldsters, too. I'd be fine with 72 as the upper limit, because if the last 40 years is any indication, people past that age are simply to unreliable mentally to have that kind of political authority.
As an old fart over 72 years of age I have to say there are plenty of people under the age of 72 that are simply to unreliable mentally to have that kind of political authority.
Yeah, the world has never lacked for idiots.
You are looking at libertarian spoiler votes in action.
"Why Are Republicans Revolting?" Title fixed.
There it is. Came here to put up the same comment.
Not that the other side isn't more revolting.
You said it. Democrats stink on ice. And Schumer looks like the Piss Boy.
Tu that quoque!
I hope they stay deadlocked for many months. Without a Speaker being chosen, no legislation can be introduced and voted upon. This means no more spending, no additional taxes and individual liberties will, for that time frame, not be lost.
All of a sudden, GOP'ers are not in favour of a first-past-the-post system - which would have resulted in Jeffries being Speaker.
WTF are you talking about? 85% of the GOP likely would like McCarthy to win with a plurality/FPTP.
With RCV, there is a good chance that Jeffries would be speaker now, which shows you how idiotic RCV is.
Didn't you see the results? Jeffries got more votes than anyone.
Of course had FPTP been implemented it's conceivable - though not inevitable - that some of the GOP denialists would have voted McCarthy and so he would have received more votes than Jeffries, but they could also be so stupid as to continue to vote for some other GOP pol, like the criminal Gym Jordan.
The Speaker serves at the will of the House, and can be removed by a majority vote, which would negate plurality voting if it were implemented.
However I'm sure if a plurality were sufficient to elect a Speaker the GOP would have had their ducks in a row before the first vote, whether behind McCarthy or someone else. They never would have let a vote happen if there was a chance Jeffries would be elected Speaker.
"Didn’t you see the results? Jeffries got more votes than anyone."
Next this steaming pile of lefty shit will tell us HRC 'won'.
Eat shit and die, asshole.
For Jeffries to have won with RCV 15 Republicans would have had to put him down as a second (or subsequent) choice, which I don't see happening. Maybe a different Democrat after all Republicans are eliminated (which is massive stretch on its own) but not him.
Of course using RCV in the House misses the entire purpose of RCV, which is to avoid having to set up temporary polling places again and have millions of people come out to vote a second time. But in the House coming to the chambers to vote on things is literally their entire job, it's not a problem to have them simply vote multiple times until someone gets a majority.
I notice that for all the bluster, California has still not moved to an apportioned set of Electors.
Grabbers-Of-Pussy must choose between boodling and girl-bullying McCarthyism. Now that women voters are alive to the War on Individuals, the fascisti are dustbin-bound. No big loss.
Those MONSTERS! McConnell and the other dinosaurs wouldn't want that! It's so anti-GOP!
A CA Representative or a NY Representative...
Maybe it's time to pick from a different pool entirely.
Team R is politically incompetent. Absolutely moronic; Team R is doing the political equivalent of having a gunfight in a lifeboat. There is no other way to say it.
Q: Who is the Team R alternative to McCarthy? Name that person.
What is Senator McConnell saying about all of this?
"Could this be the end of our intrepid hero? Stay tuned next week to find out..."
There is no such thing as political incompetence anymore. If everything spells the end of the GOP, nothing spells the end of the GOP.
It's a fight that has to happen sooner or later.
One of the still unresolved issues surrounding TDS is the idea that we worship Trump and not the other way around. I can assure you, when my friends and I watched all the GOP primary debates in '15, we were not saying "God I hope Trump wins." I didn't even know who he was. Not even kidding, I don't watch broadcast TV much. At that point, Jeb Bush was the frontrunner. I was a Ron Paul fan in school and so I already knew to register in the GOP to influence and steer it back towards liberty. In my first election in 2012 I voted for Gary Johnson because I knew Romney couldn't beat Obama. He was weak and didn't have wide appeal. He was too polite and let Obama lie about him. The GOP at that point was peak mediocrity, but had just been re-energized by the Tea Party. I saw the 4 years of failure after that to contain the Obama agenda and I knew we needed drastic change from someone who wouldn't waffle when their principles offended Democrats.
I never would have thought Trump was that guy, but he was and still is. To a fault, he is stubborn, but that's exactly what we need. Someone has to be stubborn about liberty. He isn't perfect. I wouldn't even call him great. I agree with him maybe 40/60, but that's more than I agree with any other candidate. He is forward progress. I keep giving him my vote because someone has to make the GOP accountable. He beat every single candidate the party could muster in 2016 because the party is just that bad.
Everyone I know who voted for him did so somewhat begrudgingly, but ultimately because he said what needed to be said. I stress that Trump communicated our message and not his own. Some of it may have been his own, such as criticism of China within the "free" market, but to me, he was a barometer on the GOP and all the things they said they would do that they didn't. This message is important enough to see past his many flaws as a messenger.
This isn't a gunfight in a lifeboat. It's a gunfight in a lifeboat over whether we should accept our fate and die stranded at sea or take a risk because we're dead if we don't act.
I was in a similar spot in for the 2012 election, I was a Ron Paul delegate during the caucus in Washington. The problem with Romney wasn't "weakness" it was that he supported everything that the Tea Party was created to oppose.
The three things that infuriated the Tea Party were the TARP, the bailouts and Obamacare. Romney favored the first two and had created the prototype for the third -- RomneyCare in Massachusetts.
Romney was basically an Obama clone with better hair. Why vote for a clone when you can have the original.
Trump was a poor president, a liar and a big spender. However, he had one virtue, he was a disrupter, the most effective one in 50 years. He caused the progressives to speed up their plans and expose themselves as the totalitarian collectivists they are.
Claudia Tenney gave away the real nature of the speakership fight when she let it slip that the rule changes weren't very important because the rules could be changed after the Speaker was elected. The real fight is over who will be on the Rules Committee. Will they renege on every promise and give Pelosi's goddess-like powers to McCarthy? If McCarthy's pick gets to make the rules, that scenario is inevitable.
Oh look. Tea-talitarians are recycling girl-bulliers. Must be a shill post for the Lootvig crocus.
Those policies, according to Perry: A balanced budget, passage of the Fair Tax Act (which would replace the federal income, payroll, and estate taxes with a national sales tax), passage of a proposal crafted by Texas Republicans that aims to crack down on illegal immigration, and the imposition of term limits for members of Congress.
Additionally, Perry said that McCarthy was asked to support two changes to how the House operates. First, to require a two-thirds vote to approve earmarks, which would have to be voted on individually. Second, to allow amendments that would cut spending to be introduced on the House floor to any legislation.
Something else I've heard that they want, and McCarthy seemed to concede, was to make it easy to force a 'vote of no confidence' in the Speaker from just 5 Republicans. And they generally also want other changes to empower individual members more as opposed to party leadership.
It would also seem to be more about policy than just pouting from the Freedom Caucus if the policy proposals they say that they want actually had any chance of passing the House, let alone becoming law. They are holding things up entirely for the purpose of grandstanding and to make McCarthy a weak Speaker, not because they will have any impact.
Maybe a cop should murder an un-armed protester to make things right, asshole?
"Republicans want to balance the budget, impose new barriers to immigration, and increase transparency for future earmark spending."
All things the so called "libertarian" Reason is against!
Republicans only say they want to balance the budget when Democrats are in charge or when we are helping a country defend against a Russian invasion. When they have power they don't give a crap about the budget and spend like drunken sailors. I guarantee most of these same reps had no problem rubberstamping these massive spending bills when Trump was president.
Book it, Jeffries and the Dems will find a way to back door him into the Speaker's seat. Republicans are dumber than a bag of doorknobs.
It really not that hard to imagine. There are 15 Republicans from districts that President Biden won. If 12 of the 15 voted "present" Jefferies 212 votes would win the Speakership. Question is how many failed votes would it take to get this group to move.
Doornobs are threatening a class action suit for being compared to Republicans.
Revolting against McCarthy, or is McCarthy revolting?
Either way it is comedic.
Oh I see I'm late to the pun party, apologies.
The "Fair Tax Act" would raise federal taxes on most people who vote, or might vote, Republican. That such a proposal would even be seriously considered amounts to political malpractice.
The income tax has been around for too many years it is very unlikely it will be replaced. It would also be a bit of sticker shock as the federal rate sales tax would likely have to be about 18% (Cato Institute). It would be pretty hard to sell that tax to people even if the income tax would be eliminated.
You can sell it to everyone who pays more than 18% in income tax.
That would be a good thing. The middle class is undertaxed in this country compared to the level of government services demanded.
Demanded by whom? Probably not the Middle Class which is not the same as Middle Income.
A middle income bureaucrat, or even a middle income factory worker, is not Middle Class. The Middle Class consists of entrepreneurs and businesses with few or sometimes, just one employee.
Small businesses are being destroyed by taxes and regulatory costs. They pay far more than anyone else in taxes.
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McCarthyism calls for Bullying Them Bitches (13A be damned), live ammo against Planned Parenthood clinics, and buying Hitler's orange-haired Baby Jesus painting to hang in Congress as a MAGA inspiration. The RINO caucus has only an additional tax to offer--the way TR backed the communist income tax IN ADDITION TO the protective tariff. Oh, and term limits. TERM LIMITS are not priority for National Socialism unless they mean Dictator-For-Life.
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