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Under Government Pressure, Twitter Suppressed Truthful Speech About COVID-19

The company's broad definition of "misleading information" and its deference to authority invited censorship by proxy.

Jacob Sullum | 1.2.2023 3:55 PM

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Under government pressure, Twitter suppressed truthful speech as "COVID-19 misinformation." | Adrien Fillon/Zuma Press/Newscom
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Twitter's ban on "COVID-19 misinformation," which Elon Musk rescinded after taking over the platform in late October, mirrored the Biden administration's broad definition of that category in two important respects: It disfavored perspectives that dissented from official advice, and it encompassed not just demonstrably false statements but also speech that was deemed "misleading" even when it was arguably or verifiably true. In a recent Free Press article, science writer David Zweig shows what that meant in practice, citing several striking examples of government-encouraged speech suppression gleaned from the internal communications that Musk has been disclosing to handpicked journalists.

Twitter's moderation of pandemic-related content was intertwined with government policy from the beginning. Even before Joe Biden was elected president and his administration began publicly and privately demanding that social media companies suppress speech it viewed as a threat to public health, the company's guidelines deferred to the positions taken by government agencies such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). And those rules explicitly covered "misleading information" as well as "demonstrably false" statements.

"We have broadened our definition of harm to address content that goes directly against guidance from authoritative sources of global and local public health information," Twitter said in a March 27, 2020, update. "Rather than reports, we are enforcing this in close coordination with trusted partners, including public health authorities and governments, and continue to use and consult with information from those sources when reviewing content."

That July, Twitter sought to clarify "our rules against potentially misleading information about COVID-19″ (emphasis added). "For a Tweet to qualify as a misleading claim," the company said, "it must be an assertion of fact (not an opinion), expressed definitively, and intended to influence others' behavior." Possible topics included "the origin, nature, and characteristics of the virus"; "preventative measures, treatments/cures, and other precautions"; "the prevalence of viral spread, or the current state of the crisis"; and "official health advisories, restrictions, regulations, and public-service announcements."

That was a very wide net, potentially encompassing anyone who questioned the CDC's ever-shifting guidance or criticized government policies, such as lockdowns and mask mandates, aimed at reducing virus transmission. While the intent requirement ostensibly allowed dissent as long as it was not aimed at influencing behavior, that limitation did not mean much in practice, since moderators were apt to infer the requisite intent when they encountered tweets that implicitly or explicitly deviated from the recommendations of "public health authorities and governments."

The "assertion of fact" requirement likewise proved malleable, since it applied even to true statements that were viewed as undermining compliance with those recommendations. And contrary to what Twitter's official rules said, even expressions of opinion could prompt action against tweets or users.

Consider a March 15, 2021, tweet in which the epidemiologist Martin Kulldorff responded to the question of whether "younger age groups" or people who had already been infected by COVID-19 "need to be vaccinated." Kulldorff's response: "No. Thinking that everyone should be vaccinated is as scientifically flawed as thinking that nobody should. COVID vaccines are important for older high-risk people, and their care-takers. Those with prior natural infection do not need it. Nor children."

Zweig reports that "internal emails show an 'intent to action' by a Twitter moderator, saying Kulldorff's tweet violated the company's Covid-19 misinformation policy" and claiming "he shared 'false information.'" But as Zweig notes, "Kulldorff's statement was an expert's opinion—one that happened to be in line with vaccine policies in numerous other countries."

Kulldorff's tweet nevertheless "was deemed 'false information' by Twitter moderators merely because it differed from CDC guidelines," Zweig writes. "After Twitter took action, Kulldorff's tweet was slapped with a 'misleading' label and all replies and likes were shut off, throttling the tweet's ability to be seen and shared by others, a core function of the platform."

Zweig says he found "numerous instances of tweets about vaccines and pandemic policies labeled as 'misleading' or taken down entirely, sometimes triggering account suspensions, simply because they veered from CDC guidance or differed from establishment views." Those actions were consistent with the Biden administration's understanding of "misinformation," which it defines as speech that deviates from a government-endorsed "scientific consensus."

Another example that Zweig cites: Last August, @KelleyKga, a self-described "public health fact checker," responded to another Twitter user's claim that "COVID has been the leading cause of death from disease in children" since December 2021. "What an excellent example of cherry picking!" @KelleyKga wrote. "If you narrow it down to only the specific months you specify, which include the largest Covid wave (seen across the world), AND you ignore all non-disease deaths, AND you ignore cancer, heart disease, SIDS, then COVID is 'leading.'"

That fact check included an image of the CDC's own data on causes of death among minors from December 2021 through the first half of 2022. Yet "internal records showed that a bot had flagged the tweet, and that it received many 'tattles' (what the system amusingly called reports from users)," Zweig says. "That triggered a manual review by a human who—despite the tweet showing actual CDC data—nevertheless labeled it 'misleading.' Tellingly, the tweet by @KelleyKga that was labeled 'misleading' was a reply to a tweet that contained actual misinformation."

Other examples that Zweig mentions include references to peer-reviewed studies of correlations between COVID-19 vaccinations and outcomes such as myocarditis, cardiac arrests, and temporary drops in sperm concentration and motility. Obviously, one can argue about the meaning and practical significance of those findings. But as Twitter saw it, merely mentioning them was "misleading," based on the inference that the authors of those tweets were trying to discourage vaccination.

Zweig notes that Twitter permanently suspended Rhode Island physician Andrew Bostom for several allegedly misleading posts, including his link to a study of sperm donors who had received mRNA vaccines and his citation of local and nationwide data indicating that "influenza is more lethal than covid-19 in children." After Bostom challenged his suspension, a Twitter review determined that three of the four tweets were not "misleading" after all.

An October 5, 2020, tweet by then-President Donald Trump further illustrates the potential breadth of "misinformation" as understood by Twitter employees. "I will be leaving the great Walter Reed Medical Center today at 6:30 p.m.," Trump wrote as he was recovering from COVID-19. "Feeling really good! Don't be afraid of Covid. Don't let it dominate your life. We have developed, under the Trump Administration, some really great drugs & knowledge. I feel better than I did 20 years ago!"

In an internal email that Zweig obtained, Jim Baker, a former FBI general counsel who at the time was Twitter's deputy general counsel, suggested that Trump's tweet was "a violation of our COVID-19 policy (especially the 'Don't be afraid of Covid' statement)." Yoel Roth, then head of Trust & Safety at Twitter, replied that Trump's "broad, optimistic statement" did not "incite people to do something harmful" or "recommend against taking precautions or following mask directives (or other guidelines)."

That exchange, which Zweig calls "surreal," suggests how subjective the application of Twitter's "misinformation" ban could be. As Roth saw it, Trump's tweet did not "fall within the published scope of our policies." But Baker apparently reasoned that people should be "afraid of Covid," the better to encourage compliance with government guidelines and mandates. He therefore surmised that Trump's message was "intended to influence others' behavior." And while Trump's tweet was an expression of "opinion" rather than an "assertion of fact," that distinction did not save Kulldorff.

Twitter's reflexive deference to government authority and broad definition of "misinformation" combined to invite the sort of meddling documented in the company's internal communications. When the Biden administration pressured Twitter and other platforms to crack down more aggressively on "misinformation," it argued that it was merely asking those companies to enforce their own policies. But given the power that the federal government has to make life difficult for Twitter et al. through castigation, regulation, litigation, and legislation, the administration's requests were tantamount to commands.

Federal officials expected meek obeisance, and that is typically what they got. Emails revealed during discovery in a First Amendment lawsuit filed by Louisiana Attorney General Jeff Landry and Missouri Attorney General Eric Schmitt show how keen executives at social media companies were to placate federal officials, especially after Biden accused Facebook of "killing people" by allowing the spread of vaccine misinformation.

Biden lodged that charge on July 16, 2021, the day after Surgeon General Vivek Murthy issued an advisory in which he urged a "whole-of-society" effort, possibly including "legal and regulatory measures," to combat the "urgent threat to public health" posed by "health misinformation." An executive with Facebook's parent company was eager to assuage the president's anger.

"Reaching out after what has transpired over the past few days following the publication of the misinformation advisory, and culminating today in the President's remarks about us," the executive wrote. "I know our teams met today to better understand the scope of what the White House expects from us on misinformation going forward."

At that point, Twitter had already gotten with the program. In April 2021, Deputy Assistant to the President Rob Flaherty sent colleagues an email about a "Twitter VaccineMisinfo Briefing" on Zoom. Flaherty said Twitter would inform "White House staff" about "the tangible effects seen from recent policy changes, what interventions are currently being implemented in addition to previous policy changes, and ways the White House (and our COVID experts) can partner in product work."

Twitter was eager to "partner" with the White House because the company had been repeatedly harangued for not doing enough to suppress "misinformation." Zweig quotes an email that Lauren Culbertson, Twitter's head of U.S. public policy, sent her colleagues in December 2022. It describes 2021 teleconferences between White House and Twitter officials. "The Biden team was not satisfied with Twitter's enforcement approach as they wanted Twitter to do more and to de-platform several accounts," Culbertson wrote. "Because of this dissatisfaction, we were asked to join several other calls. They were very angry in nature."

While "Twitter executives did not fully capitulate to the Biden team's wishes," Zweig says, the pressure had an impact on the platform's moderation decisions, leading not only to the banishment of anti-vaccine writers like Alex Berenson but also to the suppression of truthful statements by scientists and physicians. "As a result," Zweig notes, "legitimate findings and questions about our Covid policies and their consequences went missing."

The evidence collected by Zweig reinforces the point that the federal government has managed to impose censorship by proxy on social media platforms. Those efforts go beyond the subject of COVID-19, extending to election-related "misinformation," "hate speech," and possibly other categories of commentary that offend politicians or bureaucrats. Acting publicly and behind the scenes, "very angry" officials have indirectly limited speech that is indisputably protected by the First Amendment.

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  1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    I’m so glad Reason is catching up to what we all were saying 14 months ago.

    1. Utkonos   2 years ago

      Reason editors do seem to be showing new resolution as of this week (early days, mind you)

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        It’s a new year. They got all of the lockdown governors reelected, the neocons are in charge of foreign policy and the red wave failed. Everything is within the normal parameters that Sullum craves. Now they can pretend to be “libertarians” again. As long as the populists and Florida Man can be controlled, it’s all good.

        1. Nardz   2 years ago

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        3. Longtobefree   2 years ago

          Florida man cannot be controlled. That’s what makes him Florida man.
          And oh by the way, this is old, old news Sullum.

        4. Truthteller1   2 years ago

          Move the reply button

          1. Granite   2 years ago

            Glad I’m not the only one who scrolls and hits reply constantly. It’s in the worst place

    2. Stuck in California   2 years ago (edited)

      You ever see a war film where there’s that one guy who hides through the entire firefight, then when it is over and his side has control of the area he runs out and shoots a couple of wounded so he can act like he has helped out.

      So, yeah. Good job Reason. Saying this shit when it’s completely safe. Not when you’re going to face the full wrath of the vengeful press for bucking The Message™

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        Your analogy, while disturbing, is a pretty accurate description of the DC libertarians.

      2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        ???

        What supposed lurking power cares what Reason writers say?

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Pretty sure it’s evident they care what every writer says. That’s why they are the surveillance state.

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      3. Nardz   2 years ago

        “You ever see a war film where there’s that one guy who hides through the entire firefight, then when it is over and his side has control of the area he runs out and shoots a couple of wounded so he can act like he has helped out.”

        Almost perfect analogy.
        Except in this case Reason was really on the enemy’s side and actively stabbing fellow soldiers in the back.

        1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

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          and killed American soldiers during the battle of the bulge.

          1. Nardz   2 years ago

            ^

      4. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

        To be fair, those who live in urban or more densely populated areas seemed to have had their logic skills completely wrecked by COVID hysterics much more than the average person. In the middle of the deadly firefight with a reportedly unstoppable and incurable virus, your head isn’t in a space that allows you to deviate from institutional insistence.

        1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago (edited)

          “those who live in urban or more densely populated areas” ARE the “average person” in this country. Rural and small-town people are the minority.

          1. m1shu   2 years ago

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        3. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

          Bien pensant. Accept the orthodoxy that all the good, educated, and right thinking people tell you; you know, those up and coming folks that Hillary claimed were all on her side vs. the “deplorables” who told their wives how to vote. Don’t question it.

        4. Ronsch   2 years ago

          Rural areas suffered a far greater Covid death toll than those in cities. This also correlates with political party. Republican death toll is far greater than for Democrats. Research suggests it was failure to be vaccinated nor to wear masks. https://politicsofthelastage.blogspot.com/2022/12/update-on-covid19-mask-and-vaccine.html

          1. charliehall   2 years ago

            Arizona has a Republican Attorney General now because too many Republicans bought into the COVID quackery and died as a result.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Well, it is safe to say these things now. And by safe we mean not getting uninvited from the best parties.

    4. TJJ2000   2 years ago (edited)

      Innocent until proven guilty.
      I think everyone kind-of knew it was going on but the approach to legislate the press wasn’t and still isn’t the right way to fix this.

      IMPEACH government members who participated in censorship and DESTROY the National Sozialist(Nazi)-Empire taking over the USA.

      The U.S. Constitution must be the SUPREME law of the land.

      1. MoreFreedom   2 years ago

        What stopped the government from fighting misinformation via tweeting their positions? It was their desire to punish their political opponents for their speech (typically exposing corrupt liberals and RINOs), instead of trying to win over minds.

        All of those government employees working over at media firms to ensure no “misinformation” (except of course, government gaslighting), should be prosecuted and jailed for several months after losing their jobs and pensions. Democrats will say they weren’t censoring or violating the first amendment.

        It’s ironic, 40 years ago, Democrats were considered the party that defended the first amendment, but they don’t support it anymore, and IMHO, never did except for the communists in Hollywood punished by Joe McCarthy for their political beliefs.

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    6. Truthteller1   2 years ago

      Yeah sullum was one of the most strident covid cucks at Reason. It’s breathtaking how wrong the establishment stooges were on practically every single aspect of the Wuhan flu.

    7. boroka   2 years ago

      Right on. Reason’s cupid cowardice on this issue was almost enough for me to unsubscribe. But, in the end, I decided that there are still occasional gems in Reason, even if painfully less and less often.

      1. MoreFreedom   2 years ago

        I also feel as you, but I was (and still am) considering reallocating my legacy gift to Reason, to another or other organizations that support our freedom and fight back against government overreach, which is almost always the desire of most politicians. In fact, our freedom has diminished tremendously over the last century but few know or realize it. You can’t even sell someone a single cigarette without risking getting killed by the police as Eric Garner’s soul learned after the police killed him for it.

        Everyone should know, almost all the abuse of blacks by the police, were at the hands of Democratic Party mayors who hired, trained, wrote the police procedures, and managed those police to act exactly how they told them to act. E.G. in a related case, Nancy Pelosi ensured the Capitol Police didn’t have the forces needed to handle the 1/6 protest, and one of her policemen shot and killed an unarmed US veteran for entering the Capitol, except she wasn’t black.

    8. charliehall   2 years ago

      And what was being said 14 months ago wasn’t correct. There are REALLY good reasons to vaccinate everyone, including even toddlers, and social media was full of false information about COVID. The truth is that the vaccines are safe, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin are useless against COVID, and letting dangerous viruses run unchecked as people like Kulldorff (who isn’t an expert in this area) would have resulted in millions more deaths in the US.

      1. XM   2 years ago

        “And what was being said 14 months ago wasn’t correct.”

        We’re talking about Twitter. The vaccine became available 2 years ago.

    9. freedomwriter   2 years ago

      It is amazing people still do not believe in conspiracies.

    10. Carlos Inconvenience   2 years ago

      It’s safe now. Orange man bad is out of office and there was no red wave. The closet progressives who write for this site can acknowledge a little reality

  2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    I guess slow, blind, and deaf finally catches up only a couple years too late. Sullum, everyone was saying this two years ago. Musk brought this to the fore last month. Only now do you do tepid reporting on it. Better late than never, but “welcome to the party, pal!”

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  3. Jerry B.   2 years ago (edited)

    Meanwhile, still waiting to see if one of the thousands of folks going through Trump’s tax returns will come up with a smoking gun, or at least a wet firecracker. You’d think something more than “He had a bank account in China!!!!”, would have been reported by now.

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      It just exposed more of Fatass Donnie’s lies.

      Despite repeatedly saying he took no presidential salary his tax records show he did, and he paid nothing to charity and paid only $750 in taxes on that $400,000 income.

      He is a con man. A grifter.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        So you don’t understand how taxes work. He gets paid, he donates the amount to some group. That’s how it works.

        How retarded are you?

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago (edited)

          Fatass listed NO charitable contributions in those years, idiot.

          Not criminal obviously, just a liar. Just like he lies to his cultists to harvest their money he claims is fighting for election legal fees.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

            Even politifact admits it retard.

            https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1341/take-no-salary/

            It is sad when you are further left than leftist groups. And you continue to prove you dont understand how taxes work. You read a headline from a liberal outlet and accept it as fact.

            How retarded are you?

            Here are the details.

            https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2021/02/27/president-donald-trump-probably-donated-his-entire-16m-salary-back-to-the-us-government–here-are-the-details/?sh=42b34f1c1a8d

            All youre proving is you dont understand anything more complicated than a 1040. And I even doubt that.

            1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

              Trump’s tax returns show real estate losses, inheritance impact, no 2020 charitable giving

              The Hill 12/30/2022

              Your Forbes link is from February 2021.

              1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

                Reporters aren’t tax agents. They understand as little as you do.

                If the groups he openly donated to never got the money dont you think a reporter would have found it out?

                Thanks for admitting you blindly read headlines without any actual investigation to the facts.

                1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                  Fatass reported no charitable contributions in 2020.

                  1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                    So politico contacted the groups he donated to and verified they never got a check correct?

                    1. MT-Man   2 years ago

                      I think Jesse is right the media whatever your feelings definitely would have kept a close eye on that part like everything else they used as the resistance during that term. I’d find it tough, really really tough, that they would let that low hanging apple get by them if it happened.

                  2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                    It’s not like Trump does his own taxes, you stupid fuck. I guarantee you the IRS has been through that a thousand times, as have the New York Times and every other Democratic party agent out there. Nobody says what Trump paid is illegal

                  3. Sevo   2 years ago

                    turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
                    If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
                    turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

                  4. m1shu   2 years ago

                    You do realize you can donate to charities without claiming them on your tax return.

                2. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

                  Worked for Amber Heard.

            2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

              Make that 1040EZ.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Despite repeatedly saying he took no presidential salary his tax records show he did

        Even though he donated those checks to various government departments, he still has to report that as income, you moron.

      3. Truthteller1   2 years ago

        Need a hug from Dr Jill?

  4. Gus Valgus   2 years ago

    Has ENB even written any of the tepid reporting on this? She is still bitching about Musk and praising mastodon.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      I didn’t think she has written anything about Musk or Mastodon in two or three weeks now. Can you provide a cite?

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Can you stop acting like a sycophant?

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          He’s trying to get some. He wasn’t called White Knight for nothing.

    2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      “tepid reporting”

      As I’ve pointed out before, many of the commenters here seem to dislike Reason because it has a dispassionate editorial tone, never issuing diatribes or fervent condemnations.

      1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

        Extremism in defence of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

        1. Utkonos   2 years ago

          Those words are pure gold as long as one does not water them down.

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Dispassionate? Cite?

      3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        “Reason has a dispassionate editing tone”

        Not when it comes to food trucks and prostitution.

        1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

          Not for most things, tbh. They really aren’t shy about calling something stupid, wrong, or destructive. Sullum has been shifting out of his crazed-TDS voice to try to provide more neutral writing like this, but it’s still being very neutral and dispassionate about intelligence agencies trying to use Twitter as a propaganda mechanism.

      4. DesigNate   2 years ago

        Yeah, those 50+ articles by Sullum after the election were SUPER dispassionate.

  5. Nardz   2 years ago

    Reason is an accomplice to the most massive crime against humanity that’s ever occurred.

    1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

      Socialists in general have committed worse crimes, and still do.

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        I said most massive, not worst. The whole covid fiasco was pushed against billions of people.

        By the way, a former Jacksonville Jaguar suddenly dropped dead to day of cardiac arrest at the age of 38. No previous history or indication of health issues.
        A 24 year old player for the Bills collapsed on the field tonight, where CPR and AED were applied. He is currently intubated in the hospital.

        1. Nardz   2 years ago

          Totes normal

          https://twitter.com/nicksortor/status/1610181432269324290?t=1CInC-C-MlT0m-XZUoBnZw&s=19

          BREAKING: The US Government has set up outposts near the UC Medical Center where Damar Hamlin is currently in critical condition.

          This is reportedly due to “issues that may arise following Damar’s possible passing.”

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      You are not overstating the case.

    3. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

      Making people find OTHER sources of news OTHER than Twitter is now… “…the most massive crime against humanity that’s ever occurred.”

      Do you ever LISTEN to yourself, Nadless Nardless the Nasty NAZI? This is WORSE than the holocaust, and other REAL genocides? What planet to you hail from, estranged stranger?

      When, in the USA, we have access to 1.14 billion web sites… Number of web sites today… https://siteefy.com/how-many-websites-are-there/ … I don’t care much about supposed censorshit! We also have phone calls, pamphlets, letters, word of mouth, smoke signals, telegraphs, Morse code, cryptic codes on the back-sides of stop signals, messages on cereal boxes, nano-molecules in your vaccines, tin-foil hats, ESP, clairvoyance, text messages, and… Now I will show my advanced years… EMAILS!!!!
      I wish that the whining crybabies would JUST SHUT UP about HOW horribly bad censorshit is today!!! In the USA at least… We have MORE access to MORE lies, every day! We can freely access more lies than you can shake your dick at!

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Sqrlsy tries to exercise his heckler’s veto through long form shitposting again.

        1. Utkonos   2 years ago

          Wait, you think THAT one is long?!

        2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago

          Pity I can’t read it on account of having blocked that user

          1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

            It’s not a pity. I’ve had that user blocked for years now and I regret nothing.

            1. Sevo   2 years ago

              Cleans up threads nicely.

      2. charliehall   2 years ago

        Hitler, Stalin, Mao….

        Even idiots know something about the magnitude of their crimes.

        The question is whether Nardz is a Nazi or a Communist. He certainly is no Libertarian.

  6. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    By publicly downplaying the dangers of COVID and promoting quack cures for the virus Donnie may have inadvertently cost himself the 2020 election since research shows about twice as many Republican voters died from the virus than Dem voters did.

    1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

      “Research shows…”

      Now this is false information.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        From March 2020 to December 2021, a time overlapping with the COVID-19 pandemic, average excess death rates were 76% higher among Republicans than Democrats. That grew to a 95% difference when measured from March 2020 to March 2021, and a 153% difference after April 5, 2021, “when all adults were eligible for COVID-19 vaccines in Florida and Ohio,” the study said.

        https://www.medicaleconomics.com/view/more-republicans-than-democrats-died-after-covid-19-vaccines-were-available

        (I oppose all mandates and fully support Herman Cain like Darwin Award winners self-destruction)

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          The study did not attribute exact or estimated numbers of deaths based on party line in each state.
          .
          The authors noted they did not have complete mortality data or information on individual vaccination status, which limited the ability to draw broad conclusions.

          The study ignored age variance of parties, used bad estimates on excess deaths which are not firm, saw the increase in the summer after most of the deaths in the NE occurred and was a seasonal shift in the virus, and has been mocked fairly widely. They did not compare deaths to vaccination status or voter registration either.

          Basically your study is used because of idiots like yourself who blindly repeat narratives.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

            What narrative? I just emphasized that I supported the right of a Herman Cain to ignorantly forgo medical preventative care.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              You posted a study where even the authors in their abstract admit they really can’t provide broad conclusions. You posted nonsense as it supports a narrative from your first post.

              You are struggling today.

              1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                I quoted the authors.

                You are saying they didn’t say what I quoted.

                1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

                  No, you quoted a statement in an article about the authors. I posted from their actual abstract. Where their views have to be clear to be published.

                  Here it is again.

                  The study did not attribute exact or estimated numbers of deaths based on party line in each state.
                  .
                  The authors noted they did not have complete mortality data or information on individual vaccination status, which limited the ability to draw broad conclusions.

                  1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                    But you succeeded in your goal of obfuscating the fact that Fatass is not infallible and destroyed his own re-election via multiple own-goal blunders.

                    We can agree that Biden was a lackluster, overall poor candidate. Donnie fucked himself, right?

                    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                      You’d know best about fucking oneself.

                    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      Your bald assertions is bald. There is no need to refute.

                    3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      “But you succeeded in your goal of obfuscating”

                      Jesse posted from the actual research paper, you posted some journalists narrative. Pretty sure it’s obvious who the actual obfuscator is here.

                    4. Sevo   2 years ago

                      turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
                      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
                      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

                  2. DesigNate   2 years ago

                    This is why I maintain that SRG isn’t shrike. Even with using some of the same insults, that poster has never self owned the way shrike has.

        2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          That’s cool how Idaho Bob came back and thanked you for providing a cite.

          1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

            I read the abstract of the “research” and verified it was indeed false information. Not thanking the pedo for providing lies.

            From the Abstract:

            “Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) has caused over one million deaths in the United States ”

            “C19 has been present in over one million deaths in the US” would have been a true statement.

            https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w30512/w30512.pdf

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              “Not thanking the pedo for providing lies.”

              Wow, you probably wrote that with no sense of irony.

              1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                I hope you did. If not, you’re as morally destitute as I always assumed you were.

          2. JesseAz   2 years ago

            I posted the study authors own warnings from their abstract…. did you click through to it Mike? Or blindly accept the narrative the authors stated can’t be shown from the data?

          3. Overt   2 years ago

            “That’s cool how Idaho Bob came back and thanked you for providing a cite.”

            That’s cool how Mike is actively supporting a person who posted links to child porn on Reason. He is so invested in “owning” the cons, that he is supporting a kiddy-porn posting asshole.

            1. DesigNate   2 years ago

              Careful there Overt, he might call you a hanger on of Trump mean girls for daring to talk bad about shrike.

    2. Granite   2 years ago

      U found an unbiased way of counting actual deaths? No incentives or nothing? This is news.

  7. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

    “Those actions were consistent with the Biden administration’s understanding of “misinformation,” which it defines as speech that deviates from a government-endorsed “scientific consensus.”

    Government endorsed = do the exact opposite for better results.

    I cannot believe people still follow government advice.

    1. Utkonos   2 years ago

      “I cannot believe people still follow government advice.” I envy you your incredulity, which I attribute to living in Idaho. Living in California, I simply don’t have the luxury.

    2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      “Government endorsed = do the exact opposite for better results.”

      That is a stupid way to go through life. It’s being childish and letting government control your actions.

      Better: Government endorsed = Seek other sources of information and use your own judgement.

      1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

        Name ANYTHING government has ever done competently. Don’t waste time on government monopolies, like courts; I said “competently”. Don’t pretend that “better than most other countries” is competent.

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          Cleaning up the environment. I don’t mean declaring CO2 to be pollution. I mean rivers and air. Strict market incentives didn’t work, but government coercion did. Throwing the word “competently” may be a bit much, but I’ve seen noticeably positive changes in my lifetime.

          1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

            I said “competently”. Not “eventually with great corruption and waste of money”.

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              Government can’t do anything competently and most of what they do descends into corruption. That’s a given. But with regards to the environment even their crappy efforts have had a better effect than market incentives ever did.

              1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

                You’ve lived up to your reputation. You ignore the question, then agree your answer is wrong. The personal insults are next.

                1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                  The personal insults are next.

                  No, that’s your job.

              2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

                Government can’t do anything competently and most of what they do descends into corruption.

                So you agree with him after you argue with him? Too funny.

          2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

            Superfund, Interstate Transit system, Apollo program, FDIC, among others.

            Not much though. Not close to what we get for taxes paid in.

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              I’m not convinced on all that you listed. Just saying that there is a role for government and they did clean up the air and water. I’m not an anarchist.

              1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7HmhrgTuQ

                What Have The Romans… (Done LATELY for US?) – Monty Python’s Life of Brian

            2. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago (edited)

              Superfund wasted tons of money on the wrong projects, was corrupt as hell, and did a piss poor job on what it did clean up.

              Apollo was NOT competently done. Its price was horrendous, it killed 3 astronauts because some idiot thought a high oxygen atmosphere was a good idea in spite of deep sea divers’ evidence to the contrary. It had no followup plan once it got to the moon.

              Interstate Transit? You mean the Interstate highway system? It destroyed inner cities, especially where the poor lived and worked. It was also corrupt as hell, building highways no one wanted, funneling funds to cronies.

              FDIC does nothing that private insurers wouldn’t do better, such as actually basing premiums on bank reputation to encourage good banking. Did you know that before the Fed, banks used to advertise who was on their boards, who ran the place, and their reputations? They cared about their public image, their brand. FDIC made that a waste of time.

              0 for 34. You’re as competent as the government.

              1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                The benefits of the four greatly outweigh any government waste associated with each.

                It is not “communist” to clean up disaster areas caused by private exploitation of the environment. The Superfund was 70% funded by responsible parties until the GOP jumped in to suck the cock of the polluters (like they did BP in their Gulf fiasco).

                I recall the controversy here. YOU CAN’T HOLD BP RESPONSIBLE! OBAMA IS EXTORTING BP !!

                Fuck BP.

                1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

                  I said “commpetent”. You aren’t any more competent than those programs were.

              2. charliehall   2 years ago

                “FDIC does nothing that private insurers wouldn’t do better”

                States that had private insurance plans for banks found that the insurance plans failed when the banks did. So you lose that one.

                1. Beezard   2 years ago

                  At increased risk and cost for tax payers, and only because the feds printed and borrowed enough to cover the overhead.

        2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          And before you get all pissy and start calling me a leftist, Stossel and others with libertarian cred agree.

          1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

            Cite. You won’t. You are wrong.

            1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

              https://www.thenews-messenger.com/story/opinion/2022/07/09/stossel-change-constitution/7819038001/

              Stossel here… ” Malice is an anarchist who says he’d put the Constitution “in the trash, where it belongs.”

              I disagree. So did most people we asked.” (End Stossel quote.)

              STOSSEL SAYS HE LIKES THE CONSTITUTION, which is an aspect of, a part of, Government Almighty!!! Man the barricades; Stossel LOVES Government Almighty!!! WHO will save us in the face of THIS traitorous treachery and abandonment of True Righteousness?!?!

              And tomorrow, people in the comments here will be repeating the same old lies…

              1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                Neither of those are the Stossel citation on water pollution ABC asked for, Sqrlcasmic.

            2. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

              https://www.mtdemocrat.com/opinion/john-stossel-pro-choice-versus-pro-life/

              Stossel: “But we also believe that one of the few legitimate roles for government is stopping murder.”

              Man the barricades; Stossel LOVES Government Almighty!!! WHO will save us in the face of THIS traitorous treachery and abandonment of True Righteousness?!?!

              1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

                What has Stossel talking about murders got to do with this? Is Chicago a hotbed of competent prevention or prosecution of murder?

                1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                  “…Stossel and others with libertarian cred agree.” Said Sarcasmic… That Government NOT Almighty has SOME legitimate roles. Stossel is NOT an anarchist! THAT is my simple point!

                  (Sensible people aren’t anarchists, until such time as we might fundamentally re-wire basic human nature, and then only maybe. WHO will decide what the “right” way to wire a human is, and how to keep them wired that way?)

            3. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              Doesn’t matter. You’ll call me a liar anyway. I apologize for mistaking you for someone who argues in good faith.

            4. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              https://www.desmog.com/2011/09/05/john-stossel-tells-epa-pack-shop/

              If you scroll down Stossel says the EPA did it’s job. As in it cleaned up the air and water. He says it’s job is done, and I agree. But it did it’s job.

              Now you can start calling me names since I proved you wrong and attacks is all you have left.

              1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                Stossel told us: “Thank goodness for the EPA…The air and water are cleaner than they use to be. But they passed those rules. It’s diminishing returns. They have done a wonderful job, stop already. Stick a fork in it, it’s done.”

                Thanks sarcasmic! Sad to say, you’re correct that the hordes of liars will be right back here again tomorrow, or in some cases a few days later, telling the SAME OLD LIES over and over again! Whack-a-mole, whack-the-lies!

            5. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              Two minutes on google that you were too lazy to do yourself, and you’ll call me a liar anyway.

              1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

                Poor sarc.

          2. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

            Leftist-leftist-LEFTIST! Leftist-leftist-LEFTIST! Leftist-leftist-LEFTIST!

            Won’t ye ALL please join my dogpile… BARK-BARK-BARK!!! And CONDEMN this strange “sarcasmic” and his strange thoughts! BARK-BARK-BARK!!! Woof-Woof-Woof, WOOF-WOOF-WOOF!!! Double-woof! Double DOWN on the woof-woofs!

            Or maybe we are a “murder of crows in one single head” like R Mac (Who Talks Smack) and we say CAW! CAW! instead! In any case… We have a PROFUSION of beastly non-thinkers here! Are we not men? We are Devo-Sevo-the-Pedo, Hippo in a Speedo! (Who piles onto the dogpile, and the pile of dogshit, better than just about anyone.)

        3. charliehall   2 years ago

          “Name ANYTHING government has ever done competently. ”

          Eradicating smallpox, the greatest killer in history.

          Unfortunately many of the commenters here would prefer that it were still around. It took vaccines to eliminate it!

          1. Bruce Hayden   2 years ago

            Yeh – the smallpox vaccine is a non leaky real whole virus vaccine, not an extremely leaky fast mutating barely tested experimental artificial mRNA gene therapy product. The Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines weren’t considered “vaccines” by either the FDA or Wikipedia until roughly January of 2021. Then it having become politically expedient, the definition of what a “vaccine” was was changed, shoehorning these gene therapy products into the definition.

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        You never follow your own advice. Weird.

      3. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

        “Better: Government endorsed = Seek other sources of information and use your own judgement.”

        I have and I do, and my conclusion is to always reject government endorsements.

        A few examples:

        Food pyramid
        Cannabis is deadly
        Food not inspected by the FDA is unsafe
        gun control saves lives
        Masks save lives
        Vaccines are safe and effective

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          If you’re trying to show a willful ignorance of knowledge combined with great political virtue signaling, that last one is spot on.

          1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

            https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/centner-academy-vaccine-rules-leila-centner-david-centner
            Florida School Run by Idiots Says Vaccinated Students Must Stay Home for 30 Days After Each Shot
            This is the same school where a teacher told students not to hug their vaccinated parents for more than five seconds.

            (End subtitles and excerpts).

            See? We are ALL data-driven by now! My data says the OTHER (evil) tribe believes in vaccines, so MY tribe must BAN and SHUN the BAD tribe (and their cooties) as much as possible!
            The unvaccinated are now CLEAN and the vaccinated are UNCLEAN! Civic-minded BAD! Afraid of micro-chips in vaccines GOOD! Black is white, and good is evil!

          2. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Which studies do you want? CDC and FDA hiding negative effects have now been proven. There are ongoing long term studies showing harm as well. One peer reviewed study even said the vaccines were more harmful than helpful for those under 30.

            As for effective. Are you still that dumb?

            1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

              FOOD isn’t perfect either, JesseBahnFuhrer! It often causes food poisoning!!! Stop eating NOW, dammit, fer yer own good! Now THAT is doing good data-driven “science”!!!

        2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          The Idaho Driver’s Handbook endorses: “To make your night driving safer … turn on your headlights.”

          As a bold Internet rebel do you refuse to turn on your headlights at night because the government told you to?

          1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago

            He turns them on because of his personal interest in arriving safely

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              Also a great reason to get vaccinated.

              1. Beezard   2 years ago

                Such a great idea they had to try and mandate it. And so effective my triple boosted parents got it anyway.

                “But they would have had worse symptoms…”

                Yeah, not a vaccine.

    3. charliehall   2 years ago

      “do the exact opposite for better results.”

      Yup. Republicans who do the opposite of what the government recommends are now dying at twice the rate of Democrats. I guess if you want Democrats to win elections, that is a better result.

  8. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    The kind of bootlicking bolshevik who defends the Twitter-Fedgov collusion on this is just astonishing to watch.

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      I defend the right of the Herman Cain demo to not mask, attend rallies, and de facto commit suicide by forgoing preventative medical treatment.

      Kill yourself via COVID. I don’t care.

      If you want to live take precaution as you see fit.

      Darwin Awards work posthumously.

      1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

        https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/10/21/metro/dying-an-audience/

        In the last three months, five conservative talk show hosts have died from COVID
        Over the last few months, no less than five conservative radio talk show hosts who urged their audiences to avoid vaccines for COVID-19 have died from the virus.

        Good riddance, spreaders of evil, anti-science, anti-life, and anti-society (anti-human, pro-disease), irresponsible ASSHOLES!!!!

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

          In the last three months, five conservative talk show hosts have died from COVID

          that is FIVE more Darwin Awards.

          CONGRATS BOYS! YOU’RE ALL WINNERS !!!

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            Five guys, two with heart disease, one with cancer and one with diabetes.

            Well congratulations geniuses, you totally convinced me that if they would have gotten a totally useless mRNA therapy that doesn’t actually stop you from getting Covid, they’d be alive today.

            I noticed (as usual) that Sqrlsy’s article is from back in 2021. I wonder if the Globe writer is feeling quite as saucy now that the FDA and Pfizer themselves have contradicted many of his claims.

            1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

              “…a totally useless mRNA therapy…”

              THANK YOU, Oh Perfectly Skilled, Talented, and WISE Doctor Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer!

              (I would ask You for Your Perfect Peer-Reviewed White Paper on Your Perfect Facts, butt, since You are Perfectly PEERLESS, I know that can’t be done right now. Perhaps, in Your Perfect Omnipotence, You could CREATE some Peers for Yourself? Who, then, will God the Gods?)

          2. Sevo   2 years ago

            turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled asshole, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
            If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
            turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

        2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          They had to! They couldn’t do anything that Democrats endorsed!!!

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            I remember when you clowns were all bitching that the vaccines wouldn’t work because Trump had hurried them for the election, and that they were probably dangerous.

            In debate, Kamala Harris says she won’t take a COVID vaccine just on Trump’s say-so

            1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

              “100% safe and effective with no downsides!”

            2. charliehall   2 years ago

              And she didn’t. She waited until the clinical trials were done.

              1. Beezard   2 years ago

                The ones that lasted a few weeks?

          2. MT-Man   2 years ago

            Aren’t you just doing what you told Idaho Bob not to do? Be contrary to be against the people you don’t like?

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              Nope.

            2. DesigNate   2 years ago

              No you see, Mike is right about everything and we’re all just too dumb and selfish to understand.

  9. sarcasmic   2 years ago

    There’s something wrong with the article. It claims shenanigans in 2020. That’s not possible because Trump was president at the time. Only the Biden administration could do something like this.

    1. Jefferson's Ghost   2 years ago

      “There’s something wrong with the article. It claims shenanigans in 2020. That’s not possible because Trump was president at the time. Only the Biden administration could do something like this.”

      I am quite comfortable in the belief that governments have used their power to pressure organizations which fail to do their bidding go back to well before LBJ threatened the licenses of the radio stations in Texas which didn’t want to run his political advertisements. I am pretty sure it predates Nero, for that matter.

      1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

        My chimp-troop leader and us GOOD chimps will beat up (and often kill) YOUR chimp-troop leader and you BAD chimps!!!!

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Your chimp troop is full of authoritarian, politically-censorious pedophiles, castration fetishists and baby-killers, Sqrlsy.

      2. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

        Emperor Nero’s verified account:

        “Watch this clip of me playing the fiddle, but everyone who says I played it while Rome burned is a lyre.”

        1. Jefferson's Ghost   2 years ago

          +++

          True. He played the lyre as well as the liar. But I am confident he was fiddling around, as well.

          1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

            Speaking of fiddles and fiddlesticks and kerfluffled-dicks…
            Lemme lay on ya, some alternative history schmistory…
            Fiddlin’ Around with the Hatfields & the McCoys…

            Y’all ever hear of that them thar Hatfields or McCoys? There in down-home Appalachia?
            You’ve read your “alternate history” books, yes? Harry Turtledove, etc.? I’ve been thinking of writing fiction like that… But I need a history expert to help me out! Anyone out there game to co-authoring a work of such fiction with Yours Truly?
            So here, check this out: The Hatfields and the McCoys get in a spat, just like in our timeline… Except they don’t shoot and kill each other, they challenge each other to a down-home, ol’-time country hoe-down, fiddle contest. Each family puts up their finest 8 or 10 fiddlers, to go at it, spelling one another (per each family team) through vacations, eating, sleeping, and potty breaks, so that the fiddling contest can go on and on and on… This is the song that never ends, my friends, and it goes on and on… Till the losing side gives up, or it goes on… FOREVER!
            So I’m first-off, looking for a good working title…
            I’m thinking…
            I’m a-thinkin’…
            …
            …
            …
            “The Endless Cycle of Violins” might work!

            1. Jefferson's Ghost   2 years ago

              “… Each family puts up their finest 8 or 10 fiddlers, to go at it, spelling one another (per each family team) through vacations, eating, sleeping, and potty breaks, so that the fiddling contest can go on and on and on…”

              Sounds like one of our Old Time Fiddlers’ jamborees. Excepting that it they go on too long, someone might die of old age.

        2. Utkonos   2 years ago

          Well done, sir!

          1. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

            (See also the “bring me a small lyre” scene in Mel Brooks’ History of the World Part One)

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Oh, you mean during 2016 through 2020 when every single elected and appointed official in the federal government was a Trump minion, and always supported the orange agenda?

    3. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

      Youre still going with there was no Resistance openly defying trump and states weren’t actively working against him? That dozens of illegal rule changes were made? California as an example having a direct line to Twitter? The FBI was pro trump? I knew you were a partisan idiot, but wow.

    4. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      No, you don’t understand. Trump was never in charge of the Federal administration during which he was the chief executive. The Deep State was in charge.

      Oh, and despite that, he was the best and most libertarian President of our lifetimes.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        “Trump was never in charge of the Federal administration during which he was the chief executive. The Deep State was in charge.”

        Pretty much. You’ve gleefully posted dozens of examples of such yourself here over the years.

    5. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Gee I wonder if it was those #resistance people within the Trump administration who… you know, existed BEFORE the Trump administration, THROUGH the Trump administration and AFTER the Trump administration?

    6. Cyto   2 years ago

      Now you are just being dishonest.

      1. Cyto   2 years ago

        The 1st time you tried that line, it could have been because you did not understand. But it has been explained multiple times. So now I can call a liar a liar. This is not a difference of interpretation or a misunderstanding. You are lying.

        You know full well that this group was operating outside of the control of political leadership, at least during the trump years
        ..

        In fact, they actively worked to subvert the trump administration using a disinformation campaign.

        These same people were behind the Russia hoax. The Twitter files dump explicitly avoided going back that far so that they could keep things clean But it does not take a lot of imagination to understand that Brennan and call me we’re doing the same thing when stories about trump and Russia were being leaked to the press that were complete fabrications.

        And now you try to absolute the reality that is our current corrupt federal government. Why would you do that? Even a paycheck could not be worth supporting this crap.

        And to do it with vassal and transparent lies? Have you no pride? At least come up with a decent lie if you are going to lie about it.

        God help us all, we are overrun With dishonest idiots. Being a Is partisan hack is one thing, I mean, it requires a certain level of dishonesty. But being stupid about it is embarrassing. Have a little more pride

    7. XM   2 years ago

      “That’s not possible because Trump was president at the time.”

      Because the likes of Andrew Mccabe, Schiff and even individual FBI agents were all Trump guys?

      When did the FBI try to place surveillance on Carter Page? I assume Trump was still president then. They’re a rogue agency, that’s sort of like the point.

      1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        But not now, of course.

  10. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

    Tellingly, the tweet by @KelleyKga that was labeled ‘misleading’ was a reply to a tweet that contained actual misinformation.”

    No, what’s more telling is that the tweet he replied to, which was pure panic porn about how COVID is killing children, was never flagged at all nor taken down. It was actual dangerous COVID misinformation that was left completely unaltered, while the correction, with factual information, was removed.

    This is the danger-the brainrot. They shout down facts and try to prevent people sharing them so they can spread the narrative, largely feelings-based. They try to make it appear as if the truth is extremely unpopular by preventing people from liking it or seeing other people sharing it, making others more reluctant to even make the attempt. Very few people like shouting into the void.

    It’s insidious how they tried to use their power and let government wield them to use its own power to trying shaping how people think. It’s propaganda to put Goebbels to shame, he dreams of having these kinds of tools.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      “They shout down facts and try to prevent people sharing them”

      And you know what is important when you are part of a group opposing such a group: policing your own group members to make sure they are holding a higher standard and not engaging in the same behaviors.

      1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

        Which is why I’m constantly trying to call out bullshit libertarians are saying, or reminding libertarians about the importance of fighting censorship. I’m sure you’d never defend the removal of undesirable speech.

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Mike bravely opposes undesirable speech.

        2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          I’d totally support the removal of undesirable speech by private parties from their private property. Wish Reason would remove more undesirable speech and accounts from this very comments section.

          1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

            So you think Reason, a libertarian publication, needs to ban people because you don’t like their speech.

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              No, no, no. You just put words in my mouth. I would like it if they enforced their own rule, at the top of this page, that comments be “civil”. Has nothing to do with me being in the decision loop.

              1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

                So you think Reason, a libertarian publication, needs to ban people because you don’t like their speech.

                1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                  Has nothing to do with my liking or not liking their speech.

              2. Sevo   2 years ago

                Fuck off and die, you stupid, TDS-addled pile of lefty shit. That’s exactly as ‘civil’ as assholes like you deserve.

              3. NOYB2   2 years ago

                You don’t deserve civility.

          2. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

            Reason could simply remove the anonymity. All local papers trash letters to the editor not signed by residents whose existence can be verified. There is no reason for Reason to encourage cowardly schaisstposters to turn the comments section into a monkey cage for the flinging of excrement by faith-addled Trumpanzees and totalitarians of other rickety persuasions. They don’t call it Faecebook for nothing!

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              Fine with me. I’m already using my real name.

              1. charliehall   2 years ago

                me too

    2. Cyto   2 years ago

      This is important. Everyone who doesn’t get it should read his comment again. Go read the original tweet thread. Read what Glenn Greenwald has to say about it.

      1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        You’re trying to warn libertarians about the dangers of government power? Well done! I thought no one would ever make that tenuous connection…

  11. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

    ” it encompassed not just demonstrably false statements but also speech that was deemed “misleading”
    So if the statements are demonstrably false it’s OK to censor? Who exactly decides what is or isn’t demonstrably false? Wouldn’t a libertarian demonstrate by evidence the falsity of the statement or research the issue before reaching that conclusion before trusting some twit at Twitter? Or the Biden regime? I don’t mean to imply that Jacob Sullum is a libertarian. He clearly is not. I just kinda like reaching my own conclusions.

    1. Bruce Hayden   2 years ago

      The Authorities make that decision, of course. That is why they are the Authorities.

  12. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

    Slightly off topic but here’s Greenwald’s take on the Brazilian election and the JFK docs. Pretty enlightening if you have the time.
    https://systemupdate.substack.com/p/the-latest-from-brazil-new-ciajfk?publication_id=515746&post_id=94142309&isFreemail=false

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      Sorry it’s subscribers only. But I think you can watch on Rumble.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        Yeah, all of Greenwald’s full length stuff is now exclusively on Rumble.

    2. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

      “What about the Brazilian elections?”

      “How many elections? How much is a Brazillion?”

    3. Cyto   2 years ago

      Here is an important commentary from Glenn about his personal experience with his own people (leftist politicians) and with an out group – a Christian politician who is a social conservative despite his liberal politics.

      https://youtu.be/7-jXHOsdmUQ

      It is quite touching and even more revealing. An alternate title could be “the difference between real love and fake hate.”

  13. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    In my opinion this is one of the biggest [media] stories of the decade. It’s unfortunate it was so slow to be picked up by news organizations that under any normal circumstances should have had antennas particularly tuned to it.

    1. Cyto   2 years ago

      This is no longer a media story. It was a media story a decade ago. Even 2 years ago it was a media story.

      Now it is a story of how A cabal inside of our government has become so corrupt and so powerful that they are able to control all society’s information and all of our debate. They are spending tens of millions of dollars monitoring what you say online. That is now a documented fact, not some kind of wild claim. And they are using that to suppress what you say and who hears what you say.

      This story has become the story of the largest corruption scandal in our nation’s history. There is not even a second place behind this one.

      Richard Nixon Was impeached and run out of office because people in his campaigns spied on the opposition party to find Is out what they were up to. It was not even about government resources.

      These guys worked to rig the last 2 presidential elections. Add a minimum. And that is not a supposition or an inference. That is their own words and their own standard. There are no superlatives for how big this story is.

      The only question is, whether it is too late. Will their commanding control be strong enough to keep a groundswell of popular opinion from wiping them out? Or are we trapped in an or William world of new speak and of Right think?

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        It’s B. We’re entering a long dark night of authoritarian collectivism, and it’s too late to stop it.

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

          But you’ll be happy.

  14. Cyto   2 years ago

    OK Jake, this is a nice start. But retelling someone else’s reporting is not doing the full journalism thing.

    Here is what you need to do next. We know that the Inside information at Twitter has been reviewed, at least superficially. And we know that Twitter was actively under the control of this group of bureaucrats and outside groups. But we also know that it is not just Twitter. We know this because the FBI told us so, and we know This because we have eyes and ears.

    So a real reporter would take a look at other platforms. Is lacking a source at YouTube or Facebook, one could simply look at suspensions related to the same Information that occurred at the same time. For instance, Stephen Crowder was banned from YouTube for quoting the CDC website. This is not a secret. He did several podcasts about it. Getting An interview about that would be trivial. There are doubtless dozens or even hundreds of others in similar circumstance.

    So far, nobody is Walking that beat. The very few people who are paying attention to this story outside of the core group are doing what you just did, they are pretending that this is a Twitter thing. This is very clearly not about Twitter. This is about our entire Social media and journalism establishment.

    Pick 2 of those scientists who were suppressed and A couple of Steven Crowder types and you have a smoking gun that runs across every Social media platform.

    This story almost writes itself. Once you have the FBI twisting arms at Twitter to get a specific claim suppressed, it is pretty easy to prove that Facebook and YouTube got their arms twisted in the exact same way by showing that the same claims were suppressed there as well.

    This also puts the lie to the claim that this is simply a voluntary arrangement.

    When I Was an editor on my high school paper I would have known to give out this Assignment. If your editor has not assigned this Story yet, You should assign it to yourself. It is brain dead simple to connect these dots.

    1. Nardz   2 years ago

      Why would Sullum, or anyone at Reason, do that?
      That isn’t their job.
      Their job is to call themselves libertarian, throw some familiar terminology around pretending it’s a liberty based argument, and ultimately convince libertarians to at least not oppose, if not actively support, leftist/globalist totalitarianism.

    2. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

      I like Reason and its contributors but the near total lack of interest in one of the worst abuses of censor power by private/public partnership in recent history is unfortunate. I think it’s safe to say people died because of it. Certainly people lost their livelihoods while special interests profited mightily.

      This seems like it would be right up the publication’s alley. For some reason*, however, a few cursory articles followed by swift moving on seems to be the order of the day.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

        *A possible reason is that it aligns with MAGA narratives and allying with that crowd in any way would be extremely distasteful.

        1. Cyto   2 years ago

          It is also possible that Reason is not an independent libertarian voice.

          Revealed in the last dump about the inner workings of the propaganda machine at the DHS…. the Stanford Internet Observatory is one of the outside groups that helps decode what to censor and what messages to push.

          The SIO was funded by… Koch, among others. The feds are picking up the tab now and they didn’t say if Koch was still involved.

          But it is interesting that we have been railing against the propaganda machine for more than 5 years now…. while also railing against the serious case of TDS that infested so many of our favorite writers at reason. And it turns out that the primary funder of our beloved libertarian flagship is also a primary funder of one of the main voices that gets to control the censorship regime that we have been railing about.

          1. Cyto   2 years ago

            Conclusive?

            Nah. They fund a crap-ton of stuff. And academia is built to support this particular propaganda machine. So it is easy to see the Koch Brothers having no idea what was being done behind the scenes.

            But then again… if you were raising funds for your pet project (and meal ticket), would you miss a chance to brag that the FBI and CIA and CDC and NSF and etc. were working with you behind the scenes and listening to your recommendations on which voices to quiet and which messages to push?

      2. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

        “”I like Reason and its contributors but the near total lack of interest in one of the worst abuses of censor power by private/public partnership in recent history is unfortunate.””

        Google says hold my beer.

        https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/technology/google-tools-anti-terrorism-moderation-smaller-sites

        “”There are a lot of websites that just don’t have any people to do the enforcement. It is a really labor-intensive thing to even build the algorithms [and] then you need all those human reviewers,” Jigsaw CEO Yasmin Green told the Financial Times.

        Green also said that the software is becoming increasingly necessary as companies such as Facebook and YouTube tighten their content moderation standards. “I have noticed a big shift in the [leading] platforms becoming much more effective at moderating, and that pushes terrorist content and Covid hoax claims to [other sites].”

        The content will be identified via a database provided by the Global Internet Forum to Counter Terrorism, a partnership founded by Meta, Microsoft, Twitter, and YouTube in 2017.”

  15. DaveM   2 years ago

    The reason we’re seeing all these tepid defenses of free speech after the damage has already been done is because the “shock and awe” phase of the Twitter Files has passed. Now we’re into the grind, where the winners will be those who press on, each and every day, defeating the enemies of free speech word by word.

    So I welcome my timid friends to the party, even though they are a day late and a dollar short. It’s always the right time to set things right.

    1. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

      Except they are not. These are the downplaying and justification articles to mitigate the damage they were an active part in creating.

  16. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

    We’re being used. Reason lets the commenters do all the research and write the stories, then a few months later they publish a summary.

  17. Longtobefree   2 years ago

    News Flash, Sullum; this is what fascists do.
    Now go reluctantly vote for some more of them, and hope they stop just before you go up against the wall.
    Here is how it will go, some one you know, perhaps even trust – – – – – –

  18. Think It Through   2 years ago

    I am shocked, SHOCKED, to find out there is gambling going on in this establishment.

  19. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

    Suppose America’s ban on drugs and alcohol had required a black market to keep the economy from total collapse from 1922 to 1929. If the same politicians who made production and trade crimes in the first place were to add layers of deadly force such that even worse economic collapse ensured, ask yourself if the looter Kleptocracy would admit its mistakes or mask them with lies. History shows us that Nixon and Biden added layers of prohibitionist deadly force in 1987, and Bush Jr in 2008 to repeat the disaster, with flash crashes thrown in. Seen any admissions?

  20. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

    When the Petition Project collected 30,000 signatures from clearly identified scientists with actual degrees, the Senate listened and refused to ratify the Kyoto Kamikaze making noncommunist energy illegal. I was one of the volunteers collecting signatures, all carefully verified. Under the new guise of Global Warmunism, how many actual degreed scientists can you name who claim thermometers have recorded a warming trend this past century? Yet the Kleptocracy hands this anti-industrial religion the violent force of law, viable economy be damned.

    1. charliehall   2 years ago

      “how many actual degreed scientists can you name who claim thermometers have recorded a warming trend this past century?”

      Well there is me — and anyone else who actually looks at the data. There is such a thing as objective reality.

      “making noncommunist energy illegal”

      And objective reality is that that didn’t happen.

      1. Beezard   2 years ago

        “And objective reality is that that didn’t happen.”

        Not for China. But Europe is definitely skipping merrily down that path as we speak.

  21. Chest Rockwell   2 years ago

    The Biden cultists won’t care about this

    1. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

      They lost boodle, pelf and jobs when Gary got 4 million votes in 2016. They care a lot about THAT. Witness the prompt upsurge in anarcho-whackjob platform planks and destructive amendments. Observe the sudden popularity of illiterate anarchists as LP “candidate” material and instant reversal of all previous gains and ballot access.

  22. NOYB2   2 years ago

    If only there were libertarian publications that talk about such issues while they are happening, rather than going along with the establishment narrative and then doing a post mortem when facts are undeniable.

    If only.

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

      They are afraid. Afraid of being ostracized and getting their rewards pulled. Much better to play it safe and not get too uppity about things as they are happening.

    2. renad   2 years ago

      The Brownstone Institute was there every step of the way, calling bullshit.

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