The Fight Over Kids at Drag Shows Is a Classic Moral Panic
Florida threatens a venue for letting minors attend a sexualized holiday cabaret performance with their parents.

Of course, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and his administration would contribute to the latest Christmas-themed targeting of drag queens as some existential threat.
The state's Department of Business and Professional Regulation sent a letter Wednesday to the Orlando Philharmonic Plaza Foundation in Orlando, Florida, because their venue was hosting A Drag Queen Christmas, a touring stage production crossing the country that's been around for eight years.
The letter warns the venue that they have "reason to believe that this drag show is of a sexual nature, involving the exposure or exhibition of sexual organs, simulated sexual activity, and/or the sexualization of children's stories." The department says it has "become aware" that the show has been marketed to and attended by children. The agency warns that the drag show may be considered a "public nuisance" if minors are allowed to attend, provided that any of these claims of sexual activity are true. Thus, the venue could have its license revoked. "In short, if you allow children to attend the Drag Fans drag show at your facility," the letter warns, "you are putting your license in jeopardy." The letter concludes that if the venue allows minors in at all, "the Department will take any and all actions available to make sure you do not pose a threat to minors in the future." (Emphasis added.)
Note that this letter doesn't actually say that there is any nudity or simulated sexual activity at this show, only that the department believes there is. It probably consulted this Twitter thread by Tayler Hansen, who provides images and clips of the show from its stop in Austin, Texas. A Drag Queen Christmas is a pretty raunchy show in the way that's familiar to anybody who has watched drag performances. But the only "nudity" found in Hansen's clips and images is a pair of absolutely fake boobs being worn by a drag queen. There is a lot of overtly sexualized behavior and gyrating from people who are not actually naked or having sex.
Essentially, this is a Madonna concert, circa her Blonde Ambition World Tour days. Madonna, of course, is famously beloved by gay men and drag queens in particular for her wild looks and deliberately sexualized persona. She was threatened with arrest in Toronto back in 1990 for simulating masturbation during her live performance of "Like a Virgin," though police eventually backed down. There was a moral panic then that children exposed to Madonna's antics were being sexualized at a young age. Funny how some things don't change.
If I had small children, I probably would not take them to this show. But what's clear from Hansen's clips is that several parents did, voluntarily, and seemed to know that this was going to happen. The website Florida Politics notes that while the company says that "all ages" are welcome at the show, it also notes that local regulations may vary. At some venues, minors must be accompanied by an adult in order to attend (which was the case at the Austin show in Hansen's clips). At others, minors are banned entirely.
It doesn't appear that there's actual nudity in the show. And the amount of sexualization would put it at maybe an R rating if it were a movie. What we have here is a lot of screaming and politicization about families making entertainment decisions other adults do not like. This is, flat out, a moral panic.
When I wrote last week about the targeting of these shows, some of the feedback I received insisted that while there's perhaps some anti-LGBT politics at play here, there is a legitimate problem with letting kids attend these shows and that it contributes to their early sexualization. This is not a moral panic, some insist. There is a limit to the "parents' rights" argument, and this all crosses a line. Parents should not be allowed to take their kids to live drag shows.
To that, I say, by looking at the behavior here and the public response to it, we can see that, just as with Madonna, this is a moral panic.
People are exaggerating what is actually happening. I would definitely agree with anybody who says the show's content is sexualized. But, the claims of nudity and simulated sex at these shows are very exaggerated to make it seem like children are encountering the same things that you might see at a strip club. In fact, in the threatening letter from Florida's Department of Business and Professional Regulation, officials point to a Florida court case that authorized shutting down businesses for violating lewdness statutes. But the example it uses, Hoskins v. Dept. of Business Regulation, is a case involving women providing lap dances to patrons at a strip club. That doesn't appear to be happening in the clips Hansen gathered.
Now, this is not to say that something similar hasn't or won't happen at a drag show. I would not be surprised to find out that one or more drag queens out there did cross the line when children were present, displaying nudity or more explicit sexual simulation. But a hallmark of a moral panic is the belief that violations are much more common than they are. We see this with the moral panic over stranger child abduction and sex trafficking. As Lenore Skenazy has regularly documented for Reason, a child's actual risk of being abducted or sexually trafficked is completely out of alignment with the perceived risk. And the overprotectiveness that stems from these misaligned fears is not harmless. The moral panic about child abduction has led to overpolicing and threats to parents from the government. Take note, then, of DeSantis calling for the investigation of parents who bring their kids to drag shows.
New laws are demanded even though existing laws are sufficient. Florida has laws about nudity and lewdness, and the department's letter references them. But then it threateningly warns against allowing any minors into the show regardless of the content, period.
Lawmakers have been proposing legislation that essentially treats drag shows as lewd conduct, regardless of any sort of nudity or sexual activity. In Texas, a state lawmaker introduced a bill that classifies any sort of drag performance as "sexually oriented" regardless of the content. Simply wearing clothing of the opposite sex in a performance is suddenly sexual. It's a bonkers proposal with any number of potential enforcement problems, but that's something that happens with a moral panic. Because the moral panic exaggerates what's actually happening, the "solutions" proposed are extremely broad and can cause additional harms rather than prevent them. (We're still struggling to undo the absurdly high prison sentences we've saddled drug users and dealers with because of our moral panic in the 1980s and 1990s over crack cocaine vs. powder cocaine.)
Politicians are happy to sow fear in others in order to advance their careers. DeSantis has made it clear that he's happy to perpetuate the culture war, treating those with progressive politics as public enemies and fighting against the "woke" crowd, going so far as to endorse and encourage laws that clearly violate the First Amendment, all for the purpose of cultivating and benefitting from the moral panic.
Similarly, the attack on this same drag show in St. Louis was launched by a local politician who is considering a run for governor. And a state politician in Knoxville, Tennessee, was all over the drag show there. The show in Orlando did take place Wednesday night, and the local Fox affiliate showed up to interview both protesters and opponents who stood outside with signs and rainbow flags. One state representative, Anna Eskamani (D–Orlando), was there and accused the DeSantis administration of attempting to "intimidate and cancel drag shows."
Again, Madonna and the moral panics of pop and rap music of the 1980s and early 1990s come to mind. Florida is the state that attempted to ban 2 Live Crew from selling a rap album by deeming it obscene, until the group won the battle in court. When we look back at those days, it may all seem absurd. Gen Xers did not grow up to be any more sexualized or out-of-control than the baby boomers.
Claiming that drag shows are different is a subjective evaluation based on how a person feels about exposure to drag performances. It is an attempt to force one group of people's parental choices on the collective. And the mindless tossing around of the word "groomer" is just an epithet designed to shut down opposition on the belief that nobody wants to be accused of supporting child sexual abuse. It's a reminder of back during the 1970s through the 1990s when anybody who was not heterosexual was regularly accused of trying to recruit kids. Moral panics about gay people interacting with children are hardly new.
We have laws about minors and nudity and sexually explicit live performances. And we have parents to make decisions for stuff that falls just on the legal side of that line. That's how it has been for the longest of times, and drag queens don't change that calculus. If you don't want your children to see this stuff, don't take them. Leave everybody else alone.
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My guess is Scott is an actual child molester
Or a victim of molestation with Stockholm Syndrome.
The same could be said for Chemjeff, Radical Fatfuck Groomer
Things can get out of hand quickly in a place with liquor and "R" rated stuff. Would Scott Shackford recommend taking a kid to a strip club or gentleman's club? I am guessing not. But what is the difference? Depending on state and local laws not much.
This is not the kind of thing for kids, any more than some slasher movie would be. They aren’t mentally equipped to process it properly.
End of story.
They aren’t mentally equipped to process it properly.
In fairness, neither is Shackford. Claims of nudity and simulated sex at these shows are very exaggerated to make it seem like children are encountering the same things that you might see at a strip club. He then climbs inside his own asshole: There is a lot of overtly sexualized behavior and gyrating, the amount of sexualization would put it at maybe an R rating if it were a movie and I would not be surprised to find out that one or more drag queens out there did cross the line when children were present, displaying nudity or more explicit sexual simulation. That all sounds like a typical strip club to me.
Pretty impressive to go from “It’s not happening” to “It’s happening but it’s not that big of a deal” all in one article.
It’s pretty standard now.
The intense grasping to try and normalize and downplay all at the same time shows a complete lack of rational and logical analysis.
And this article appearing around the same time that the "libertarians" being blamed for San Francisco article is so highlighting the libertine aspect of many "libertarians."
Last time I checked, it wasn’t socially acceptable to take your 8 year old to a rated R movie…
Conservatives, as our moral superiors, know that trannie dancing is this country's national shame.
Now if I could just go back in time I would become a pool boy and let conservatives pay me to watch me fuck their wives.
Pretty much everybody of every political stripe agrees that sexually abusing children and posting darkweb links to hardcore child pornography is wrong, shreek. Pretty much everybody of every political stripe agrees that welching on your bets is wrong, shreek. Pretty much everybody of every political stripe agrees that skipping out on your mortgage is wrong, shreek. Your moral superiors are everyone outside of a prison cell.
Since you are a homosexual who is sexually attracted to prepubescent little boys, as evidenced by the darkweb links to hardcore child pornography that you posted at Reason.com and got your original Sarah Palin's Buttplug account banned, I'm not sure how well that would work, shreek, but maybe with some conversion therapy.
You post child porn links to Reason, dipshit.
Turn yourself in for your crimes against children.
No surprises Shrike's onboard with masturbatory performances in front of children.
"Conservatives, as our moral superiors"
Almost everyone is your moral superior, you loathsome pedophiliac toad. Conservatives, liberals, socialists, rednecks, even a few communists are better than you.
I like how you rail against "moral superiors" when the left has capitalized on being the modern moral majority. The irony is rich.
And that's not even including the irony of you defending pedophilia.
Shrike is dumber than Joe Biden, so he can’t grasp that irony.
*resident pedo shows up to support grooming*
Narrator: "Nobody was surprised"
I’m a bit surprised Jeffy hasn’t been here to chime in yet. Defending this type of shit is right up his alley.
Adding to the rumor that Jeff is a writer here on vacation.
You’re a child molester. You should take your own life. There is no logical reason for you not to.
Why is THIS the thing that reason is so hung up on as a moral panic?
Honestly, it seems a mountain out of a molehill in the first place. Other than isolated incidents, which people should think about, I literally never hear a word about any of it other than here. But it is here over and over again.
There have been a lot of moral panics the last few years more pervasive than this.
This outrage is featured on Fox News about three times per hour.
That and the MIGRANT CARAVAN!
It’s really all conservatives have left.
Tell us more about how the Mueller report conclusively proved that Trump colluded with Vladimir Putin to hack voting machines in 2016 and steal the election from Hillary Clinton, shreek.
Tell us about how the walls are closing in and Trump is about to be sent to prison for stealing nuclear secrets.
Tell us about Trump's tax fraud.
While you're at it, tell us all about the time you got your original Sarah Palin's Buttplug account banned for posting darkweb links to hardcore child pornography.
Exactly, please elaborate on how you managed to get your original SPB account banned and wiped from Reason.
How many children have you raped? Do you have a record?
“Why is THIS the thing that reason is so hung up on as a moral panic?”
Wait, what? Just this morning, on the psychiatry article’s thread, someone was criticizing Reason for NOT bringing up children and culture war issues. Now they are being criticized for the opposite.
Here is a whole thread of photos and videos from the event that Shackford is running cover for.
https://twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1603461787340480516
See the kids? see the sexualized displays? Tell us how this is okay.
Mike is too busy jacking off to it.
What a shit argument lol. You guys really just have to get better at this.
Reason was criticized because in an article about many problems with the psychiatry, one of the most glaringly obvious recent example of gender dysphoria (and the media/dems normalizing this to be basically a good thing) was conspicuously absent.
You realize bringing it up to say "this is a huge problem that needs addressed" and "this is nothing but moral panic" are very different things right?
Of course you do, you are doing your standard childish gimmick of trying to score a cheap technicality (which is extremely transparent when you folks do this, just FYI) in order to pretend you actually responded to the real argument.
It’s all Mike has.
Mike also has outright lies, don't sell him short.
Oh, yeah. Right. You were the one that criticized Reason for something they didn’t say.
Sorry that their book review didn’t talk about your hobby horse.
You’re beyond pathetic, it’s too bad you never got into a fatal car wreck.
When you don't have a good response, better to just not say anything at all.
How did erotic drag shows for kids even become a thing?
I never heard about one of these until the last couple years.
And yeah, it's weird and concerning. Who are these parents who take their kids to these shows?
If you make "erotic drag shows for children" a question then yeah, the answer to that question is "this is wrong" , or, as Scott puts it, " a moral panic"
Seriously?
I don't get it. Drag shows are great for the people who like them, but adult fare is for adults. This feels a lot more like pushing politics into every aspect of life. Go do something you KNOW parents are going to be angry about for the purpose of being offended. "Oh my god, what are you, a homophobe? A transphobe?" etc.
Why do we have to sexualize children? Can we not just let them be kids until they are teenagers?
And, again, why is THIS the moral panic? This is people disagreeing what is appropriate for kids at specific events that are, well, pretty easy to disagree with.
I think that's the biggest point we're all trying to say. Shows like this are adult fare and should be for adults. We're not saying "don't have them", we're questioning the appropriateness for minors, especially prepubescent minors. The problem we run into is that this group of folks seems to equate such questioning with someone being "homophobic" or "transphobic". It's no different than not letting a minor into an NC-17 film or a strip club, or even a casino for that matter.
It honestly does feel like trolling at this point.
^THIS^
and perhaps the deep state trying to get a violent rise out of some poor unstable schmuck to further the anti-gun argument. It would be a 2-fer.. look at the evil bigots and take away guns from everyone
mind you I dont seriously think that at this point - [my foil hat is at the cleaners] but what I've learned over the past 6 years makes me not able to easily rule it out (unfortunately)
And this is the most castrating, State approved sentiment of all.
"ThEy'Re tRyInG tO pRoVoKe vIoLeNcE tO tAkE mOrE pOwEr!"
Bitch, wtf have they been doing for two decades but taking more power and violating norms?
They don't give a shit about consent of the governed, and they won't until they're physically forced to.
World could use some more random people snapping and delivering consequences to the appropriate targets.
"There have been a lot of moral panics the last few years more pervasive than this."
Time Magazine and Scientific American are out here writing feature articles on how advising people lose weight is racist and exercise is rooted in white supremacy.
Just to provide an actual example of moral panic, instead of promoting the sexual abuse of children Reason's chosen.
This country can’t continue with all these wokie Marxists running around. They must be dealt with. I wonder how difficult it would be to forcibly expatriate them to places like Somalia?
You know what else grew from a molehill into a mountain?
Hawaii?
I'm fine, Hawauu?
overtly sexualized behavior and gyrating from people who are not actually naked or having sex.
so cut it off at 8th graders but the children thing is just fucking inappropriate.
so cut it off at 8th graders
Poor choice of words...
boy howdy. lol.
Or just beat the shit out of the perverts and out a stop to all of it. I don’t know why we tolerate the activities, and often the existence, of these deviant Marxists.
"We have laws about minors and nudity and sexually explicit live performances. And we have parents to make decisions for stuff that falls just on the legal side of that line. That's how it has been for the longest of times, and drag queens don't change that calculus. If you don't want your children to see this stuff, don't take them. Leave everybody else alone."
As someone who had to endure totally fucked up parenting, this is not the Trump Argument you imagine it to be.
For real! If the parents wants to groom their child to be a sexual plaything for a bunch of trannies who get their thrills dressing as women and thrusting their genitals into the faces of children, it's no one's business and those fuddy-duddy conservatives need just leave them alone.
Agreed
and if parents want to groom their kids into being sado-masochists?
Ask Scott if his views are the same for conversion therapy.
Excellent point.
Dont ask yourself why should a child be allowed or not allowed to watch an erotic drag show.
Ask why the drag performers need to have children watching.
^
And why certain people feel the need to vehemently defend it.
This is the million dollar question that no one on the left ever answers.
and then ask the recurring question...
"Why are democrats obsessed with sexualizing children and we keep finding pedos in their ranks..."
Bingo!
Who says they need to have children watching just because there are children present? Straw man argument. Also, a kid is more likely to end up being raped by being a congregant of a church, mosque, or synagogue than they are from attending a drag show.
Especially the Catholic Church.
you're doing great, groomer
He's not wrong. Cultural conservative organizations are notorious protectors and defenders of sexual predators of all kinds. Liberal organizations? Not so much.
Face it, the Catholic Church is the largest international pedophile ring in history. And due to the fervent defense of cultural conservatives, the pedophiles have largely avoided any legal repercussions.
especially the .... left wing teachers union members?
isnt that what you really wanted to say?
The left has their narrative, and they'll acknowledge nothing else.
Chipper, I agree.
That people are arguing that children SHOULD be exposed to erotic drag shows, and "what's the problem with that?" is incomprehensible. Maybe we should serve martinis, vodka shots and thai sticks to the youngsters also, just to be sure they "have a good time" while watching the mentally ill tranny exhibit his/her strangeness for the groomers in the audience.
Shackford, you idiot. This is no more a "moral panic" than not letting underage kids into a strip club or an NC-17 (formerly X) rated film.
What the fuck is wrong with you dude?
Maybe he's angry about being deprived of sex as a child.
Obviously, if conservatives are against something Shackford must find a reason to justify it or even promote or celebrate it. I have to admit, this one must have twisted him into knots trying to come up with the "it's fine for grown men to push their junk into the faces of 8 or 9 year-old children and no one should complain" narrative.
He’s making gays look bad with this shit.
OT: I haven’t noticed Fatfuck Jeffy, Enthusiastic Groomer around. Did he choke Oma an entire turkey drumstick, or something in that direction?
Would he see the same moral panic in the push to keep guns out of the hands of 5 year olds? Some things should be legal for adults while still being not appropriate for children.
I'm surprised that we can still use the term "Drag". Doesn't that offend somebody, anybody? How about..."People who look like womxn but unfortunately can't give birth because medicine is inherently transphobic".
If I had small children, I probably would not take them to this show. But what’s clear from Hansen’s clips is that several parents did, voluntarily, and seemed to know that this was going to happen.
Yeah, and some parents rape, whore out, beat, and even kill their children. Because we are a civilized people, we draw lines against parents harming their children, and don't say "anything goes" in the interest of parents' rights.
Simply wearing clothing of the opposite sex in a performance is suddenly sexual.
No, for the most part, it's always been sexual.
Gen Xers did not grow up to be any more sexualized or out-of-control than the baby boomers.
Really? There weren't drag shows for kids and no epidemic of “transgenderism” promoted by teachers and physicians when I was a young Boomer.
It is an attempt to force one group of people’s parental choices on the collective.
Yes, and we do that all the time to protect children from being harmed by their parents. We outlaw incest, child marriage, most child labor, beating children, etc. Apparently you’re a savage who would prefer that we leave children to the depredations of sinister parents.
nobody wants to be accused of supporting child sexual abuse
On the contrary, many people these days are fine with supporting it publicly, including parents and doctors who support poisoning and mutilating children with “gender affirming care”.
If I had small children…
That’s a chilling thought.
Really? There weren’t drag shows for kids and no epidemic of “transgenderism” promoted by teachers and physicians when I was a young Boomer.
There wasn’t either when I was a young xennial either. This shit didn’t happen in the 1980s. Men who wore women’s clothing were usually subject to ridicule, not praise. People who tried to switch sex were very rare indeed. Yes, we had Madonna out on stage in lingerie, but most parents didn’t let young kids go to those shows. That was mostly teens and up. Yes, Boy George bent gender, but part of that was a stage act, and it wasn’t anywhere near the same thing as Shackford praises (which bending gender was nothing new as David Bowie had done that shtick in the early 1970s). But, at the end of the day, men, even in lipstick, were men, and women were women.
Yeah, the “Bowie did it” argument is the worst.
He was an artist peddling counter culture chic. He didn’t cut his dick off or encourage anyone else to. Gender bending teeny boppers weren’t permanently mutilating themselves (beyond tattoos) and demanding the total negation of gender for everyone on the basis of some strange 70s post modern/neo-Marxist theory.
There are so many problems with the weak comparisons between what’s happening now and “historical gender-bending”. But if I had to distill it, it’s conflating a distinctly counter cultural fashion or lifestyle, with an ideologically based deep restructuring of mainstream culture norms and values. In a totally obnoxious activist way, too.
I’m sure he scared some parents. But Bowie could at least make some great albums. These wokey shits today are specifically just trying tear everything down and get power from doing it.
Shackford is a fucking liar.
Photos and video from the event:
"This performer paraded around with his “tits in a box” and shook his buttocks for the crowd.
At one point the Drag Queen said “are you reaching for my titties are you hungry” to a child in the audience.
Throughout the Drag Queen talking he had multiple people spank him."
https://twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1603465689628610567
“Screwdolph the Red Nippled Reindeer”.
In this performance they simulated sex countless times, sexualized a child’s story, including Santa, and had sexual videos playing in the background."
https://twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1603467487194087425
"In this performance men with kink harnesses grab their privates, grind, and simulate humping.
The Drag Queen talked to a 9 year old named Major and then addressed the mother of the child.
“You are such an awesome mom for bringing your kid out to a FAMILY FRIENDLY DRAG SHOW”."
https://twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1603468218760368134
"“Crystal Methyd” performed with two other performers. They were all grinding and making other sexual gestures.
At the end of the performance Crystal licks his “Peppermint breasts“ and the host, Nina West, says “mmm minty fresh”."
https://twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1603468968089784321
"“Crystal Methyd” performed to “S&M” by Rihanna, grinding back and forth on a chain used as one of his costume props.
“$10 already, I think I have a fan. Obsessed much? It’s a child!
“I’ve got to think outside the box what am I going to do? EASY, make Jacob Marley a whore.”"
https://twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1603469411780001793
"This Drag queen had a lot to say to children who were on the front row who were being given money by their mother to hand to the Drag Queens.
He engaged with two different children, a 9 and 10 year old.
“Are you having fun, are you enjoying it, are you confused yet?”
https://twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1603469779397971989
Their names alone show mental issues.
"The host, Nina West, played a “game” with the audience called naughty or naughty.
The game involved giving explicit details of sexual encounters.
In the video, Nina details having sex with her dads coworker in his office.
An audience member shared his explicit story as well."
https://twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1603470229895581715
“I saw you guys with your mom in the meet and greet, where’s Melinda the mom? Melinda right? Wait tell me your name again. Sonya! We need more mothers like you in the world, thank you so much.”
The Drag queen then addressed the children of the parent."
https://twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1603470506732228632
"Over 20 children were in attendance at this show. These are the kinds of shows being marketed as “all ages” and “family friendly”.
Activists try to spin these shows as being educational and important to LGBTQ rights.
It will be interesting to see how they try to spin this one."
https://twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1603470511350157323
Spin? Shackford just flat out lied about it instead.
"These were the event details prior to the tour, for some reason they removed the portion where it talks about being the “naughty tour”.
Now it simply states it is an “All Ages” Drag Show."
https://twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1603470516895256577
"What is “family friendly” or appropriate for “all ages” about this?
[Half naked man simulating sodomy with another, man parading his prosthetic naked tits and nipples, men in g-strings shaking asses, man in a candy cane leotard simulating masturbation]
This same show is being hosted in Dallas, TX on the 17th."
https://twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1603470524834844679
That sounds like an NC-17 show to me. We used to put stuff like that on late night Cinemax or HBO so kids wouldn't see it.
Of course.
"The host of this show, Nina West, is affiliated with Disney+ AND Nickelodeon…"
https://twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1603507819034075136
But nobody ACTUALLY has sex on stage, so it's totally fine.
Scott doesn't realize, the problem is that the line keeps getting pushed further and further left, from "this show has sexually explicit material, so kids can't come in," to, "the boobs are fake and they're only pretending to fuck on stage, so sure, bring your 10 year old," to "you are SUCH a great mom for bringing your 10 year old to watch mem dressed as women, pretending to fuck each other, and singing filthy songs about Rudolph."
Scott realizes it.
He's a lying, evil clump of cancer who wants to molest children and impose totalitarian leftist globalism.
the problem is that the line keeps getting pushed further and further left
It's not even left per say (although it is progressive), because I'm pretty sure that the Cubans or the CCP would execute everyone involved. I don't think being a sick fuck falls anywhere on the traditional left/right spectrum.
It's *platonic*
James Lindsay has a great thread on it...
https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1608649964380622849?t=aOXdYnISRz2m0Da7mRr1bg&s=19
Like Plato...
Yeah.
A few steps down the line and Scott will be writing “well none of these little boys is actually sodomized…………. without being lubed up really good first.”
I’m not exaggerating. I believe he will have no problem writing that when it gets that bad.
Anyone that thinks it is okay for men dressed (scantily) as women to thrust their genitals in the faces of children has serious mental issues. Also, they should be kept far away from children unless supervised by a responsible and sane adult. This includes the parent who would take a child to such a show.
And here we have a Reason writer treating the matter as "republicans pounce" on a "cultural issue". No. This is a case of adults grooming young children to accept such sexual behavior as normal.
Seriously, what is the left's infatuation with sex and kids?!
It's the opposite of what they say it is. They talk about "parents' rights" to expose their own children to whatever they wish, but the goal is to weaken or sever the relationship between parents and children, and undermine or eliminate parental authority over their children. Label parents who try to keep their kids away from this kind of depravity as "oppressors" of their children, as an excuse to terminate parental rights.
I hate conspiracy thoeries, but when you see stuff like this coupled with the huge push from the left to eliminate parent involvement in education and their kids’ lives, it’s hard to not think this the goal.
this is definitely the goal and you dont even need to be a conspiracy theorist. It's been the commie/bolshevik playbook many times over in China, Cambodia, Russia and other places.
Orwell didnt' just make up that part of 1984 where the kids turn in their parents for wrong think. He got it from watching the communists in action.
It isnt a conspiracy theory. Nazis, lennonists, and maoists all used the same tactic in their change to authoritarianism. It is why socialists have focused so heavily on the school system. Mao was especially explicit in turning children against their parents.
By the way. Every article here becomes more and more clear of how ignorant most of Reasons writers are to history or libertarian philosophy. They treat it as a hobby, never educating themselves.
The problem that I have is assuming wide swathes of people are all in on the same intent and goal. That’s where the inklings of a conspiracy theory lie. My next door neighbor is very progressive, but he has no concept of maoism or tactics employed by Lenin. He doesn’t read Rules for Radicals or have any meaningful understanding of critical theory.
As such, you can move into the claims of “useful idiots,” and that may be true. But the issue I have with assigning such specific intent to a large political movement and party, is who is doing the commanding, who is accepting those commands, and who actually understands the underlying purpose and intent of those commands.
That’s where I get off the train. Right now I see it not as a giant plan, but rather as an end result of molded political ideology for the instant moment without any consideration of the end result.
See Beezard's comment below. It's not a "conspiracy theory" when they're doing exactly what they say they're doing, and why.
See my comment above explaining why I don't go the full conspiracy route.
Neither do I. It's not a "conspiracy". "Conspiracy" implies secrecy. Socialized child rearing is being pursued right out in the open.
Yep. It’s an absolute fact
Yes, socialized child rearing is happening. But my point is that it's not happening based on some grand plan that unknown evil overseers are implementing.
Right. It's a grand plan implemented by KNOWN evil overseers.
Most of the culture of those countries didn’t understand the philosophy behind the movements either, they simply were apart of the cultural revolutions. Essentially convinced of a cultural morality implemented top down through school and cultural groups.
The average nazi supporter was not an SS guard. While Mao had his red guard, most were just culturally adopted warriors outside of it.
Yes, but who is the SS guard now? It's always "they" are doing this. Who are the master planners? Pelosi? Schumer? AOC? Bernie?
The problem I have is when evil plans to destroy the country are always explained as "they" want to do it. "They" are seeking control. "They" command everything.
There is generally no "they" and there sure as heck ain't some grand plan. That's the problem I have with these concocted evil plans by entities unknown. And, more importantly, it gives much more credit to people than they deserve. It assumes an ability of "they" to actually be strategic and forward thinking. I literally don't see that from anyone in our society anymore.
I think the “accepting of commands” in this instance are progressive parents who are so desperate to prove how “tolerant” they are, they can’t see the forest for the trees.
You don’t need a conspiracy from root to branch, for the same reason a priest doesn’t need to be a theologian or a church goer doesn’t need to be a priest. And they don’t have to share the exact same motivations for their beliefs. But it’s all still a practiced religion.
Progs are pretty brainwashed anymore. They’re largely incapable of logical thought. To the point that they will sacrifice the well being of their children to prove their allegiance.
They really are a loathsome lot.
But you are now talking about where I'm at. I don't see this grand master plan. I see many individuals following fads and virtue signaling that is resulting in these outcomes. I don't see a planned, coordinated effort. I see a flow in societal ethos that results in this rather than some giant strategy being employed.
And honestly, understanding that these things aren't the result of some grand design put together by powerful unknown figures will allow for a better rebuttal to them since the rebuttal will be more geared to addressing the reality of the situation rather than some narrative of overarching evil control.
But they're NOT "unknown".
"Before you talk, you should read a book."—Fred Schneider
I'll give them a more charitable reading: it's the progressive stack. They've convinced themselves that any criticism of LGBT+ affiliated ideology is bigoted. Most of them are so far gone that their conscience doesn't register anymore, but for the few who hear it, they feel immense shame as they have brainwashed themselves to believe that feelings of disgust and revulsion are simply intolerance. They don't acknowledge their genes crying out in pain as they fail one of the most basic tenets of parenthood: protecting their children.
It doesn't win me many allies, but I think a true sign of ally-ship to LGBT+ people is to treat them like anyone else, see them as people, and let them know when they're wrong about something instead of pandering because of past oppression.
Your concept of ally-ship is spot on as to what it should be. The best way to eliminate bigotry and hate is to treat everyone the same with the same criteria. If someone is wrong and you need to call them out, it should not matter what they look like, believe in, or who they like to sleep with as to whether you do it or how you do it.
True equality has both the good and bad of life. Sheltering from and ignoring bad is a more bigoted response than anything as it basically embraces the concept of the soft bigotry of low expectations.
On that note, I will say that I personally can’t stand the term “ally.” I am not an ally, I’m simply a fellow human. I’m not at war with anyone and neither are they, so the concept of ally-ship is ridiculous. Esepcially when I’m supposed to be their ally, but they don’t have to be my ally. It's just another way to paint in broad brushes, generalize, and eliminate individualism. I will treat you as you deserve to be treated based on your behavior, how you treat others, and how you treat me. Period.
Agreed on the term ally, but I like to throw language back at people so they can't say I'm ignorant. I've read all the same neo-Marxist, post modern literature they use to justify their ideology. I simply disagree with their conclusions.
The big difference between Madonna and drag shows is that nobody EVER described a Madonna show in the 90s as "family friendly," and appropriate for young children. Plenty of parents took their kids anyway, and I don't think anyone cared whether they did or not.
The moral panic isn't about parents making crappy decisions and taking their kids to drag shows. The moral panic is about the left insisting that DRAG SHOWS ARE APPROPRIATE ENTERTAINMENT FOR CHILDREN.
My junior high school made a girl who had dressed like Madonna go home and change clothes
Also the drag queen story hour shit was started by actual queer theorists who actually wrote a paper on what they’re actually trying to accomplish by doing it. (An explicitly neo-Marxist subversion of gender norms for kids)
Like so many of the culture war battlefields and globalist agendas, the people subjecting us to this are routinely stating out loud what they’re trying to accomplish. And you consistently run cover for them. For fuck sake, Reason.
It would be preferable that every leftist in this country perished to prevent that outcome. If it ever came down to it.
And today we have another installment of "Never trust a homosexual," Scott Shackford edition.
If kids weren't being prescribed puberty blockers and having their bodies mutilated, it wouldn't be as big of a deal. It's another way to normalize the abnormal.
I'm curious if "Puppetry of the Penis" allows children in the audience. It is marketed as non-sexual genital humor.
There is nothing sexual about penises.
Think about this...
https://twitter.com/LeftismForU/status/1608585512348184576?t=fVqBmiDMxMSuM__hXDOwrw&s=19
A pro-grooming Antifa protester was just arrested outside of a drag queen story hour in NYC.
[Link]
No shortage of barrel-chested female cops.
*unzips*
If you don't want your children to see this stuff, don't take them. Leave everybody else alone.
Amen! I've often said the same thing about my blackface revue Nigger Jim and the Nigglings wherein I don blackface and parade around eating fried chicken and watermelon while chasing after white women to rape. It's just good, clean parody of stereotypical Negro behavior just as drag shows are parodies of feminine behavior. Nothing demeaning or bigoted or hateful or gross about that at all.
Lmao.
Where can we get tickets?
"Florida threatens a venue for letting minors attend a sexualized holiday cabaret performance with their parents"
So now you're admitting that drag is sexual?
We're in stage two people - "ok, its happening but it's no big deal".
Scott probably didn't write the headline. If he had, it would of been something like, "Wholesome family holiday show threatened by transphobic Florida police."
What is a drag queen?
Can a drag queen have a vagina?
I suppose if women dressed up in man-face and did fun non-sexualized shows where she talks about tools, sportsball and whiskey drinkin'.
There’s a movie for that: Victor/Victoria.
In a previous iteration of The Matrix where performative drag was being normalized, drag queens were called female impersonators. Women performing as female impersonators were female female impersonators or female impersonator impersonators.
That version of The Matrix, not sufficiently derisive enough of women by overtly saying them portraying their own gender as such is impersonation of men doing the job correctly, was refined and rebooted to the current version.
What is a drag KING?
A race car driver?
Great article Scott. Notice how these fake “libertarian” cultural warriors can’t respond to your actual arguments. Just more of the same “Ok groomer” bullshit from people who are probably pedophiles themselves.
probably pedophiles themselves.
Dangerously close to the "pedophiles too" admission.
BSalz3586 just wants to rape small children, what's the big deal?
So it’s another Shreek sock?
"Just more of the same “Ok groomer” bullshit from people who are probably pedophiles themselves."
"iF U oPpoSE sOmEThinG tHaT mEanS yoU'rE iN fAvOr oF iT"
You're such a fucking retard, Shrike.
There’s no fucking argument in Scott’s screed.
And there’s no moral “panic”.
There is a coordinated effort to put this stuff in front of children in order to normalize socially abnormal behavior. That is not a moral panic; that is what's currently happening.
The whole effort is straight from the Bolshevik and Khmer Rouge playbook. they want to separate the kids from the parents' influence and then the revolution can go to 11
Bingo...Reason needs to come out hard against these degenerates. If not they risk losing any credibility in protecting children.
If you think Reason has credibility... yikes.
Reason is an actor playing a role as scripted by The Cathedral
It's doubly helpful as progressives, by and large, do not have kids of their own, according to any statistic of who is actually having kids.
So, they are not polluting their kids. They are polluting yours.
And the politicians and celebrities who applaud this --- none of their few kids seem to ever be at these events. Weird.
"So, they are not polluting their kids. They are polluting yours."
Why are you letting progressives take your children anywhere?
The same officious mystics struggling to bully girls and ban birth control as world population went from 2 to 8 billion now gasp in horror! Confronting them is the legalization of other private practices their cruelty formerly enabled them to persecute through the cowardly violence of eugenic legislation.
I'm an adult and find some of these drag queens rather frightening looking....
We walked downtown one time just a bit after a Pride event had finished. The stragglers were rather tame compared to what I've seen from similar events. Still, we encountered a 7' tranny in platform heels with a full lumberjack beard, rail thin physique, double D+ fake tits, and a miniskirt with prominent bulge. A lot of drag queens are creepy looking to me, but this was a tall dude with offputting features. In my experience, lgbt+ people tend to give off vibes of mental illness (less so for average gays and lesbians) but trannies have a look in their eyes of severe cognitive issues. I always have this feeling that they experience the world like an animal rather than a rational adult
You have just described being a bigot. The "average gays and lesbians" line is basically the same as was used to talk about blacks and "n*****s" as if there was some fundemental difference between the two.
The "animal" comment is the cherry on top of your bigot sundae.
Why are drag queens and that part of the "gay community" so obsessed with kids? A question to Scott..you don't see kids being taken to strip clubs to watch semi clothed babes pole dancing...do you? There is a problem here with grooming and you know it. The propensity of certain elements of the gay community (why the "community" allows transvestites in is beyond me..) to be obsessed with kids is worrisome. Why the push to have "trans gender" crap in the schools? Evolution affirms you gender..if can live in denial of your biological sex but the obsession with kids? I think Scot is paying the home team defense. Yes, maybe this segment is a bunch of pedos but any attack must be repulsed for the greater good of the tribe.
"Why are drag queens and that part of the “gay community” so obsessed with kids? "
Kids are the future and they are probably a lot hipper to gay, trans, drag etc than you are. Your impulse to defend and preserve the innocence of children is admirable, but that ship has sailed.
".you don’t see kids being taken to strip clubs to watch semi clothed babes pole dancing…"
You don't. You can see all that and more on the internet. From a cell phone, even.
" Why the push to have “trans gender” crap in the schools? "
Surely it's there already, brought in by the students. You're not doing any kids any favors by pretending otherwise.
mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
Never forget, trueman, as a stupid, smug and proud of it is here in the hopes you'll mistakenly click on his handle to double his monthly audience.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
You’re pro pedophilia. What a surprise.
"Your impulse to defend and preserve the innocence of children is admirable, but that ship has sailed."
Translation: We've ALREADY fucked up your kids. Just let us do more. No point fighting.
"You don’t. You can see all that and more on the internet. From a cell phone, even."
You mean anti-porn advocates were correct in their predictions? Weird how often mocked conservative opinions end up being, you know, 100% accurate.
"Surely it’s there already, brought in by the students."
Yes, elementary school kids, on their own volition, concern themselves with their gender et al.
Do you have any kids?
"Translation: We’ve ALREADY fucked up your kids. Just let us do more. No point fighting. "
Children are not as innocent as you want to believe. They are well aware of the issues surrounding sexuality in society, even if their parents aren't.
"You mean anti-porn advocates were correct in their predictions? "
What predictions? What advocates.
"Yes, elementary school kids, on their own volition, concern themselves with their gender et al."
Yes, elementary school kids are human. They are aware of gender and sexuality. As I say your desire to protect the innocence of children is admirable, though the ship has sailed.
"Do you have any kids?"
Enough about Christmas drag shows. Let's talk about me!
Thank you for your candor. I hope you are safely in prison soon.
Humans are sexual beings. Sexuality doesn't begin at 18 or any other government sanctioned age. It's baked in from the start. Get over it.
Again, thank you for your candor.
Your comments on elementary school kids indicates that you do not.
"Gen Xers did not grow up to be any more sexualized or out-of-control than the baby boomers." False. Because of consistently progressive sexual ideology, single mothers have tripled since 1960. 64% of millennial moms have a child out of wedlock. This is not good for society and when it becomes a burden on the public, policy has the right to step in. I'm a little biased b/c I grew up w/Madonna and don't see her in nearly the same light as these "family friendly" shows where "balls" are popped out of where a vagina should be and tossed around. But I understand where my parents' concern came from now. Madonna was expressing feminine power. This stuff is simply trash.
What is more concerning is the adults that take their children to this and laugh.
"“Gen Xers did not grow up to be any more sexualized or out-of-control than the baby boomers.” False."
Young people seem much more accepting of non hetero sexuality these days. Not long ago it was criminal. Now it is fashionable. In the past it certainly wasn't put before the public, though traditional Christmas Pantomime shows always featured a great deal of cross dressing and sexual innuendo.
" It was developed in England and is performed throughout the United Kingdom, Ireland and (to a lesser extent) in other English-speaking countries, especially during the Christmas and New Year season. Modern pantomime includes songs, gags, slapstick comedy and dancing. It employs gender-crossing actors and combines topical humour with a story more or less based on a well-known fairy tale, fable or folk tale.[3][4] Pantomime is a participatory form of theatre, in which the audience is encouraged and expected to sing along with certain parts of the music and shout out phrases to the performers. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantomime
" The leading male juvenile character (the principal boy) is traditionally played by a young woman in male garments (such as breeches). Her romantic partner is usually the principal girl, a female ingénue.
Pantomime dames
An older woman (the pantomime dame – often the hero's mother) is usually played by a man in drag.[53]
Risqué double entendre, often wringing innuendo out of perfectly innocent phrases. This is, in theory, over the heads of the children in the audience and is for the entertainment of the adults.
-- Ian McKellen in a 2004 Aladdin "lets down his hair and lifts up his skirt to reveal a nifty pair of legs and an appetite for double entendre: when told by decorators that 'your front porch could do with a good lick', McKellen adopts a suitable look of mock-outrage. ... At least we can tell our grandchildren that we saw McKellen's Twankey and it was huge."[55]
trueman once again posts a stream-of-consciousness word salad, hoping someone will waste time looking for something of value, or make the mistake of clicking on his handle and thereby doubling this week's audience.
Fuck off and die, smug pile of shit.
Shackford should stop wallowing in all the feces in The Angels and wake up
"...We have laws about minors and nudity and sexually explicit live performances. And we have parents to make decisions for stuff that falls just on the legal side of that line. That's how it has been for the longest of times, and drag queens don't change that calculus. If you don't want your children to see this stuff, don't take them. Leave everybody else alone."
This is, simply, a claim that existing law covers any and all new circumstances which might arise, which claim is prima facie bullshit.
We do grant the state some latitude in limiting children's exposure to sexual content, and we also agree that the parents are the best agents in making that choice, possibly at the ballot box.
Didn't the left was crying rape culture is real 4 years ago during Justice Kavanaugh's supreme court nomination and now they're OK with sexualizing our children with school textbooks and OKing adults to take kids to drag shows?
Someone needs to say it: taking children to drag shows is unacceptable, and worse than taking children to a normal strip club.
Yes, trannies are inherently inappropriate for children. Tranny strippers are worse than normal strippers.
We're trying to have a society here, people.
I'm done tolerating this shit.
You want to wear womanface? Keep it the fuck away from normal people. Toughen up, ladyboys, because we cannot afford to keep caring about your feelings.
If these things are okay for kids, then we need to abolish age limits at strip clubs, R movies, porno mags, and explicit music
Exposing kids to gay/transexual sleaze shouldn't be protected while other sleaze is prohibited.
If one is wrong, then so is the other. Grooming is grooming.
I'm pretty sure Scott would say anything goes on all that.
Incorrect. Scott would say 'anything goes" unless it violated his notions of conservative and/or heteronormative. At which point he'd turn into just another fucked up social authoritarian and start pitching his own retarded moral panic about heteronormative bullying or Christian electroshock gay conversion therapy despite, objectively, it being statistically less frequent (to the point of improbability) or knowable than kids having their genitals lopped off, girls getting raped by boys in the girls' room, or athletes transitioning to dominate women's sports.
You're assuming Scott is fundamentally, a libertarian. He's not. He's an anti-Conservative authoritarian apologist.
Scott,
If it's a moral panic, it's a moral panic of yours and even Robby's own making. Remember all the gay kids who committed suicide because of bullying and conversion therapy? Remember all the trannies and gay kids who committed suicide because they were sexually abused and/or simply not-tolerated as children? Well, guess what an adult taking a 5-yr.-old to a drag queen show is?
Your selective concern based on the type of sexualization makes it pretty clear that you don't care at all one way or the other about the mountain of dead bodies, gay or straight; that the sole distinction between you and any elected attention whore isn't that either one of you have any actual morals one way or the other, it's just that they got elected and you didn't.
Fuck off with your morally righteous defense of child molestation and abuse you fundamentally corrupt and broken hack.
At best, Shackford is defending the terribly tacky and tasteless excesses of the LGBT subculture.
"The amount of sexualization would put it at the level of a R rating, if it were a movie."
An R movie rating means restricted to those under 16. A parent can bring their child under 16 into it, but they are less likely to be mature enough to deal with it the more years under 16 the minor is. A show deserving of an R rating cannot be described honestly as a "family friendly" entertainment. Shackford does not understand what his words mean or he is gaslighting.
If a straight white male father took his sons to a strip club, one where the strippers were of course grinding about and dancing, and the strippers were offering to the young boys, "hey you look hungry. Wanna get some milk from these?", would we consider this to be poor behavior, or is this just another moral panic, you sick fuckers.
At some point, you have to draw a line as to what is acceptable for kids. And at some point, the people who see you insisting children encounter overtly sexual content at very early ages are going to call you the fucking groomer pedophile that you are. Thems the breaks.
Scott, it is odd that people you loathe are the ones most fervently stating that not all gay people are pedophiles while their "allies" openly claim that any criticism of pedophilia is attack of gay people.
Any clue why?
All these right-wing yayhoos above failed to notice they're commenting on a *libertarian* website. The same yayhoos who will pile on another article in favor of "free range parenting" come back here and scream holy hell about a flippin' drag queen. You can't have it both ways - but the Reich Wing always tries!
Can you believe some people OPPOSE child abuse WHILE supporting allowing kids to play outside without total supervision?
Such hypocrisy, I tell you.
Ok pedo. Didn't know molesting children was your bag but I wouldn't expect much more from someone like you.
I’ve begun to think Scott's right for the wrong reason and the worst part of the whole affair is the distinct lack of introspection or even cognitive thought on his or his compatriot's part. The proclamations from people that “If more people own guns, more people are going to get shot.” completely unaware of the personal implications of the statement are far worse and more pervasive than any one incident or practice.
The number of novel ways for adult-aged children to scream “I’m not an adult, don’t understand what it means to be one, and can’t be trusted to behave like one.” about the issue really is astounding. The handful of people actually taking their kids to drag shows is nothing in comparison to them, and their legion of childless and/or gay and/or otherwise retarded advocates practically pledging in earnest that they'd sexually molest their own kids if they thought it would diversify them appropriately.
True. The Republican Party's platform imports planks from Hitler's 1920 Program and ominously parallels the revamped German girl-bulliers' AfD. Only after Nixon did the Groaning Olde Partye lacquer on a fake veneer of imitation individualism, mainly to get Ayn Rand to endorse conscription and colonial butchery in Vietnam instead of the LP. Small surprise then that the grinning masque still fools droves of dupes with no literary or other marketable ability whatsoever.
Well that was clear as shit.
If you ever wondered why libertarianism never quite caught on....
Just keep your hands off the kids.
Why is it so damned hard for you to keep your hands off children?
Because it's much more difficult to convert mentally healthy adults to collectivist authoritarianism.
"Bring up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from it."—God
Is this the same God whose pedophile priests have sexually abused children for hundreds of years? And whose followers defend it? That God?
No, this was the Jew God.
Yeah, they do it, too. The Venn diagram of religious organizations, defenders of sexual predators, and cultural conservatives is a circle. It doesn't matter which God (or religion) is being discussed.
Why are you perverts still defending the sexualization of kids?
We've covered this. It's to destroy the authority of parents.
Some perspective from 1933-39 is helpful. Bert Hoover's gang of "new race" eugenic prohibitionists wrecked the banking system/ economy, and sent Conventions out to wreck Europe's economies. Amid the ruins, God's Own Prohibitionists deflected attention by joining Hitler in carping about "Jyooz and Hollywood" causing moral degradation of Medieval Xtianity, reviving customs like book-burning and racial collectivist lynching. Now that Georgie Bush in 2008 managed to loot the economy back into collapse, those same dissembling tactics are the fallback position.
Word salad is better if you don't chop the ingredients so finely.
You "wouldn't be surprised"? What an off the mark line in an otherwise on point article.
And the raging hypocrisy of the DeSantis and his hysterical crew is appalling.
These are the people who demand what they call parental choice - until the parent makes a choice with which they disagree. Then it's "grooming" or "inappropriate" and soon to be illegal.
They're disgraceful - and just trying to distract from their misconduct in things like: calling a special session to deal with our homeowners insurance crisis only to make the crisis worse by helping insurance companies defraud consumers by protecting the insurance companies when they cheat on claims, or when they completely fail to deal with Florida's gun violence epidemic or its runaway auto and property tax rates.
It's so much easier to screech about drag...
Until genderism came along, almost no one anywhere on the political spectrum was suggesting that parental rights included the right to cause physical and psychological harm to their children. The widespread acceptance (and even coercion) of "transitioning" is a new depth of the socialization of child rearing.
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