Sen. Mike Lee Wants To Ban Porn by Redefining 'Obscene'
The IODA aims to edit the legal defintion of "obscenity" to allow for the regulation of most pornography. But even if it passes, a nationwide porn ban is unlikely to succeed.

Last week, Sen. Mike Lee (R–Utah) introduced the Interstate Obscenity Definition Act (IODA), which attempts to edit the legal definition of "obscenity" to allow essentially for the regulation of pornography. The bill is yet another attempt by conservative lawmakers to regulate internet pornography in recent years. While other attempts have aimed for less direct regulation, this bill goes right to the source—attempting to roll back the First Amendment protections that prevent state regulation of porn in the first place.
While obscenity is not afforded First Amendment protection, the bar for what actually amounts to obscenity is incredibly high—something Lee hopes to change.
The definition of obscenity is based on a stringent, three-part test originating from the 1973 case Miller v. California. According to the Miller test, a given image or video rises to obscenity if "(1) the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest; (2) the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law; and (3) the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value."
Obscenity is one of the trickier elements of First Amendment law, and it is still somewhat unclear just how much contemporary pornography is protected by the First Amendment. Over the years, a wide range of pornographic material has been determined to not be obscene. At the same time, Miller v. California singles out depictions of "patently offensive 'hard core' sexual conduct" as obscenity. With the extensive variety of pornography available online, it should be obvious that at least some—though perhaps only a small range—of the currently distributed internet porn would meet the strict qualifications for legal obscenity.
The IODA is an attempt to challenge the Miller test's prominence, creating an alternate definition of obscenity. According to IODA, content would be deemed obscene if: "(i) taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest in nudity, sex, or excretion, (ii) depicts, describes or represents actual or simulated sexual acts with the objective intent to arouse, titillate, or gratify the sexual desires of a person, and, (iii) taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value."
That encompasses more than just the hardest core forms of pornography. This new definition would basically render the majority of pornography legally obscene. The change would thus allow for the criminalization of most internet pornography, by removing the requirement that sexual depictions be "patently offensive," as well as the requirement that "contemporary community standards" be used to judge material.
As the IODA conflicts with a Supreme Court ruling, it would likely face legal challenges before it could be enforced. Granted, it's unclear whether such challenges would be successful. "It's possible that the Court may ultimately modify Miller in a way that would lead to upholding the law; hard to know for sure," UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh tells Reason. "If the law is passed, I don't think it could be enforced by lower courts, because it's inconsistent with the Miller v. California precedent. But might the Supreme Court agree to hear a challenge to the law, and use it as an occasion to revisit the precedent? Hard to know for sure."
Unsurprisingly, Lee's attempt to redefine obscenity has led to criticism from free speech advocates, who cite the bill's attempt to smother First Amendment rights. "For decades, Americans have enjoyed the freedom to access and share information on the internet about human sexuality, including the politics of rape, and how to practice safe sex," Electronic Frontier Foundation Senior Staff Attorney Adam Schwartz tells Reason. "This bill would endanger this freedom, by empowering prosecutors throughout the country to punish people who share such information, by creating a vague and untested new definition of criminal 'obscenity.'"
While the IODA seems intent on restricting speech rights, it's highly unlikely that the bill's ultimate goal—a reduction in Americans' porn-watching habits—could ever be successful. For example, in Turkey, where pornography is broadly illegal, one 2012 study estimated that despite the ban, nearly 2 million Turkish users watched online porn videos each minute. It's hard to imagine how a U.S. porn ban would be any more effective.
Despite Lee's intentions, if the IODA manages to pass muster, its primary effect would likely be a chilling of First Amendment rights rather than a reduction in American porn consumption.
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Is that an example of the sort of thing you don't think should be allowed to be said?
What? I said two things: doubting the 1A's pertinence to porn, and stating that the question should be whether one would want state agents involving themselves in porn. And in the latter, I phrased it in such a way that implies that I don't think the state should be concerned as proposed.
Those two opinions aren't irreconcilable.
I was referencing your offer to manipulate Diane's penis. I thought you were just saying something about the 1A not applying to such speech.
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Considering Mike Lee is ostensibly the second-most libertarian member of the Senate, this is pretty disappointing behavior from him. Surely there are other issues he could be focusing on, like, oh, filibustering the nightmarish omnibus bill about to pass this week.
Agreed. Very disappointing.
Seconded.
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And I'd like obscene to be defined as, the US Federal Budget (or lack of one). Try working on that first, Mike.
>>While obscenity is not afforded First Amendment protection
should be. obscenity is not a thing.
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I missed the part of the First Amendment that mentioned the obscenity exception. Is it before or after the hate speech exception and the yelling-fire-in-a-crowded-theater exception?
I think Covid and streaming pretty much neutered the last one.
Should I be able to walk nude into a federal building and start jacking off in the lobby per the 1A? Is that covered under "free speech?"
No, but if you want to watch a movie that shows someone walking naked into the lobby of a federal building and jacking off, you should be able to. Granted, that story has a lot of plot holes, but most movies do these days.
Perhaps some kind of communications decency act might be in order.
The only good porn is drawn by the Japanese.
It's a massive stretch to say that the 1A covers porn.
The argument should be whether you want police knocking down doors because some dude is watching a girl shit on a guy's dick.
Mike Lee is still a net positive.
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It’s a massive stretch to say that the 1A covers porn.
Why wouldn't it?
Because you'd either have to classify porn as speech or a peaceful assembly. Neither of which makes much sense to me.
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100% of my amateur filmwork has been of peaceful assembly.
Because you’d either have to classify porn as speech or a peaceful assembly.
What is it that makes it "not-speech?" Does the first amendment not apply to visual arts?
What is it that makes it "not-peaceful assembly?"
What is it that makes it “not-peaceful assembly?”
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You can't really be this un-self-aware, can you?
I really wish you wouldn’t play this “gotcha” game because a) it doesn’t work out for you here because “I’ll beat you (off), bro.” isn’t an example of political expression in my book nor did I ever claim it to be, and b) it’s banal.
And, apparently, I must make this point: Just because one were to believe that the 1A doesn't apply to certain things, doesn't necessarily imply one wants those very same things banned or subject to a law bearing their dissemination or production. I wouldn't like my crude joke to result in a fine or penalty, and thankfully, I never made the case they should; only that I think 1A might not be all that pertinent to porn.
How'd you sneak that qualifier, "political", into there? I don't see it in the 1A. However, many states do have freedom of communication provisions of their constitutions that are simultaneously narrower (having to do with opinions) and broader (positive protections for the activity rather than just restrictions on law) than 1A.
"Visual arts"
So, you honestly can't tell the difference between a nude sculpture admiring the human form and a couple of raunchy bimbos role-playing an incestuous relationship on camera for money to satisfy the base urges of a mostly ashamed, mostly isolated, and likely addicted audience. Michelangelo and Ron Jeremy are up to the same thing, huh?
IDK about Square = Circle, but I can.
A nude sculpture admiring the human form is an expression. A couple raunchy bimbos role-playing an incestuous relationship on camera for money to satisfy the base urges of a mostly ashamed, mostly isolated, and likely addicted audience is a projection.
Or did you develop the ability to read minds en masse over the internet?
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First of all, I am not a number, I am a free man.
But on topic, you're saying we're back to the "I know it when I see it" argument here?
Porn is clearly speech in the 1A sense and Congress is prohibited from regulating it.
Under the original Constitution, states were free to regulate and restrict it, a consistent and workable arrangement.
The pickle we’re in is the result of misapplying the 1A to states.
The confusion here is that the 1A was originally intended only to apply to the federal government; states could limit speech. That includes obscenity and pornography. That wasn’t a problem because states could.
Then, after the 14A and a century of progressive legal development, parts of the BoR started applying to states, but that doesn’t really make a lot of sense. So here we are.
But whatever you think of the 1A and how it applies to states, the prohibition against the federal government is absolute. Congress has no business regulating porn.
Some of it does make sense, and some doesn't. It depends on what "liberty" means in the 14A. I'd say it prohibits censorship, but not state establishment of churches. So you can't just Xerox the national BoR and say the 14A makes it all applicable against the states; the national BoR is just guidance on what "liberty" includes in the 14A.
The "liberty" of the 14A should be interpreted in a very narrow sense. It took half a century before a progressive SCOTUS used the 14A for incorporating the BoR.
"Parts of the BoR started applying to states"
So the Bill of Rights is a good thing as long as your rights are easily circumvented? Apparently the only way to prevent tyranny is to remove any legal requirements that government refrain from infringing on the rights if citizens.
As long as it's the "good" state government, not the "evil" federal government, it isn't a bad thing, right?
"Congress has no business regulating porn."
Agreed. Neither do the states.
The Bill of Rights is a limit on the federal government; as such it is good. Applying it to the states makes no sense.
If the people of Utah want to live in a theocracy, letting them live in a theocracy is a good thing.
Yes, the states do have the right and the power to regulate porn.
The record indicates Mike Lee is a superstitious, backwater prude; a hero to slack-jawed assholes; and one hell of an authoritarian.
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This won’t pass. Maybe cover more shit that actually effects our liberty?
Federal reparations for pedophiles are more likely than porn prohibition.
You only want to hear about legislation that aims at infringing basic Constitutional rights (and the people who author it) if it passes? Otherwise you don't want to know?
The phrase "short-sighted" leaps to mind.
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Enable asset theft in their drug war
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We all knew what he was really talking about.
Actually, this bill would have basically no effect on the legality of porn. It's pure performative kulturkampf noise. The weak part of the standard Obscenity definition is proving that any given work has no scientific, literary, artistic, or political (SLAP) value. It's basically impossible to prove that something does not possess at least some modicum of value in one of these four areas because the four categories are ridiculously broad and the test is inherently subjective meaning you have to go WAY THE FUCK out of bounds to the point where 999 out of 1000 people would find the work positively revolting before the courts would even take a hard look at saying it doesn't qualify. Since a fair majority number of people find naked bodies having sex pleasing to the eye, that stuff gets an automatic pass under the "artistic" label. It's not until you get into crush videos and men stuffing live gerbils up their ass that "obscenity" even gets mentioned in a real court. The only thing this bill might change is make the infamous "2girls1cup" video illegal.
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People have to jump through more hoops to view shoppable liquor or tobacco products online than to watch hardcore fetish pornography, and Reason has its edible panties in a bunch over the legal definition of "obscenity" applying too broadly to publicized, monetized sex acts.
I understand they don't care about preserving the innocence of children in an era where porn is ubiquitous and freely, conveniently, and shamelessly accessible, but at least recognize it for the addictive product and ruinous brain rot that it is.
It took me less than 10 seconds to access a wine website.
Wine isn't protected by the Constitution. Speech is. You would think the midterm results might serve as a warning against legislating morality.
Nope. Google "common good constitutionalism" to see what doubling down on the culture wars looks like.
Talking about porn while more and more totalitarianism advances 4,000 pages and several domestic psyops at a time… Typical
Within this tradition, law is defined as "an ordinance of reason promulgated by political authorities for the common good."[1] According to proponents, law in this sense is "not tethered to particular written instruments of civil law or the will of the legislators who created them
Wow. Right-wing living constitutionalism? Hard pass on that.
Left or right, authoritarianism is authoritarianism.
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“Sen. Mike Lee Wants To Ban Porn by Redefining ‘Obscene'”
While I disagree with this legislation, can Reason (and some of us) stop miss-using the word ban? Schools aren’t banning books by simply removing them from inappropriate aged libraries. Similarly, Lee’s proposal wouldn’t ban porn. It would require age verification. We can discuss the Constitutional validity of this legislation, but let’s be clear and precise. Icky Conservatives are not going to ban porn.
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You see, I'm pro-liberty until someone does something that I don't like. Then I think the government should ban it.
When Teedy Rosenfeld's gang decided to ban catarrh cures it simply redefined coca shrub extract (a stimulant, like caffeine) as a "narcotic" (causes sleepiness). This is the mother of all Newspeak, doublethink and reality control, so we can only expect the Grabbers Of Pussy to roll it out again to redefine French postcards. Ask yourself by what standard a girl-bullying Utah Trumpanzee qualifies as "libertarian" and you're onto something important.
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“Sen. Mike Lee Wants To Ban Porn by Redefining ‘Obscene’”
I agree that more clarity of language is needed. However, technically, all porn on the internet is already (arguably) unprotected speech and subject to age-related regulation. Many purveyors already have self-imposed "Age Verification" checks to avoid the FCC's ire. The only reason for a federal law would be to more forcefully compel the verification and broadly forbid the consumption by anyone or anyone subject to the more stringent verification.
Hopefully more 'both sides' about the issue: if you replace the every reference with 'sexual act' (real or simulated) with the appropriate analogous 'gun firing act', I wouldn't consider the framing of Mike Lee's bill as a 'ban on gun porn' or the assertion of his desire to ban gun porn as inaccurate or foul. The bill makes no distinctions about shelves to which minors have access or descriptors defective or more broadly socially-destructive guns or gun play.
This isn't the usual school district or community library board choosing to forego Gender Queer sitting on the shelves in the elementary school library while Harvey Milk's biography sits on HS shelves or the public library, to wit, I would equally defend their choice not to have titles with graphic depictions of people being shot to death on their shelves. This is Mike Lee proposing that no shelves anywhere have depictions of people being shot with guns.
No one ever died jerking off. People have died from guns.