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Reason Roundup

Bipartisan Bill To Ban TikTok Is Unworkable and Unnecessary

Plus: Justin Amash and Jane Coaston talk about the Libertarian Party, a fatal flaw in anti-vaping studies, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 12.14.2022 9:30 AM

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The bill would order Biden to ban TikTok and other apps associated with "countries of concern" or "entities of concern." There are several problems with a bipartisan proposal in Congress to ban TikTok, the popular video-sharing app that originated in China. For one thing, it's technologically infeasible. It's also pointless. Fears about TikTok are overblown, and any real threats can be mitigated by way less drastic measures than banning ByteDance (TikTok's parent company) from doing business here.

The whole thing seems like an exercise in getting publicity rather than an actual attempt at good governance. But let's nonetheless take the bill seriously for a moment, and explore why it's both unnecessary and unworkable. We must start with why people are so afraid of TikTok.

Some suggest that since the app is based in China, it must be a tool of Chinese propaganda. This is probably the silliest fear, since if there were a widespread pro-China or anti-American video campaign circulating on TikTok, it would not fly under the radar. But even if this is going on: so what? There's nothing stopping Americans from offering their own propaganda on the app. Most people on TikTok aren't even engaging with political content in the first place and, even if they were, and did see Chinese propaganda, people aren't zombies who passively absorb and believe everything they see. Besides, Chinese propagandists can set up accounts on any social media platform and spread propaganda (probably much more covertly) that way. They don't need to rely on an app owned by a Chinese company.

The more prevalent fear seems to be that TikTok will be a tool of Chinese surveillance. The company's U.S. operations have strenuously denied this, noting that they store U.S. user data in the U.S. and that China-based employees won't have access to U.S. data, among other measures meant to safeguard user privacy. This means that, theoretically, U.S. user data is not going to the Chinese government, nor is TikTok letting the Chinese government use it to spy on U.S. users.

There may be reason to be skeptical that this never happens. Forbes recently reported that ByteDance's Internal Audit and Risk Control department "planned to collect TikTok data about the location of a U.S. citizen." However, Forbes would not report on the reason for the proposed surveillance, and does not know if it actually came to fruition. So it's hard to say whether this is a real reason for concern. Sure, this could be a super-creepy situation in which the Chinese communist government asked ByteDance to spy on someone for political reasons. But, for all we know, the user in question was a violent criminal and had a court order or a request from U.S. authorities to find their location.

In any event, we needn't be naive about the Chinese government to realize that the risk for ordinary TikTok users is negligible. If you're a U.S.-based Chinese national critical of the Communist Party of China, you might think twice about using TikTok. And the same goes if you're a U.S. government official or a journalist reporting on highly sensitive subjects or something like that. Basically, anyone who has reason to think the Chinese government could want to spy on them might want to exercise caution.

But the idea that the Chinese government would want to surveil the location of random American citizens is silly. Same for the idea that the video viewing habits of your average TikTok user, or whatever other information they provide the app, would be of interest.

Anyone who suggests otherwise just wants to drum up fear and anti-Chinese sentiment. Which is to say: Americans should be more fearful of the propaganda being put out by anti-TikTok crusaders like this bill's sponsors, and of their authoritarian impulses, than of ByteDance using TikTok to target them in nefarious ways.

In enforcing this plan, the U.S. would be engaging in the very sort of behavior we pan countries like China and Russia for doing. They're attempting to capriciously limit citizen access to tools of communication and entertainment and stop law-abiding businesses from operating here, all based on vague anti-foreign sentiment.

It would be different if the U.S. had proof that ByteDance was acting as an arm of the Chinese government, or that random people using TikTok was actually a national security threat. But anti-TikTok politicians never offer such proof or any evidence to this effect. It's all speculation and hypotheticals.

And the bill in question—dubbed Averting the National Threat of Internet Surveillance, Oppressive Censorship and Influence, and Algorithmic Learning by the Chinese Communist Party Act (ANTI-SOCIAL CCP) Act—wouldn't just apply to TikTok.

Rather, it would order the president to use the International Emergency Economic Powers Act to "block and prohibit all transactions" from social media companies that are "domiciled in, headquartered in" or "organized under the laws of a country of concern." It would also ban social media companies controlled or influenced by "a country of concern" or an "entity of concern."

That's some mighty vague language. It would give the president broad power to prohibit basically any app created by someone in China (including Hong Kong), Russia, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, or Venezuela and any country deemed in the future to be a country of concern, even when the app is not based in one of these countries.

To be clear, enforcing this rule would be nearly impossible. The U.S. government could ban these companies from doing business here, and app stores and the like from making their apps available. But it couldn't stop individuals with a little ingenuity from accessing them entirely. So, the bill could diminish the use of TikTok and other apps deemed a concern but by no means eliminate them.

But that's no consolation. The real damage here is U.S. politicians acting just like the authoritarians they claim to be countering.

"It is troubling that rather than encouraging the Administration to conclude its national security review of TikTok, some members of Congress have decided to push for a politically-motivated ban that will do nothing to advance the national security of the United States," TikTok spokesperson Brooke Oberwetter told The Hill.


FREE MINDS

Amash and Coaston talk Libertarian Party politics. In the final episode of the New York Times podcast The Argument, host Jane Coaston (once a registered Libertarian) talks to Justin Amash about why she's changed her party affiliation to Independent and "what happens when your party leaves you behind." Amash and Coaston "share strong opinions about what the Libertarian Party stands for today and discuss how political parties—whether big or small—should amass power," per the Times' description of the episode. You can listen to the whole thing here.


FREE MARKETS

Studies linked diseases to vaping even when subjects had these diseases before they started vaping. The case for restrictions on vaping has rested heavily on the idea that e-cigarettes are just as dangerous as their traditional counterparts. But many of the studies used to make this assertion were fatally flawed, as Jacob Sullum reported:

In recent years, a bunch of studies have reported correlations between nicotine vaping and various smoking-related diseases, seemingly undermining the case for e-cigarettes as a harm-reducing alternative to combusted tobacco. But as a new analysis in the journal Internal and Emergency Medicine notes, those studies paid no attention to the question of whether the diseases were diagnosed before or after the subjects began vaping—a glaring omission when you are trying to figure out whether the associations indicate cause-and-effect relationships.

Sometimes information on the timing of diagnoses was not included in the survey data on which researchers relied. But the Population Assessment of Tobacco and Health (PATH) Survey, which was the basis for some of the studies, does include such information, which the authors conspicuously ignored. In the Internal and Emergency Medicine article, University of Louisville researchers Brad Rodu and Nantaporn Plurphanswat consider those overlooked data and find that the diseases reported by subjects generally predated their first use of vaping products, making a causal interpretation logically impossible.

More here.


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  1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Twitter founder Jack Dorsey explains where he thinks he went wrong and his vision of how a social media company should behave.

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    2. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

      Funny how he doesn't mention putting marxists and pedophiles in senior positions to manage the moderation direction.

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      3. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

        Shrike works for Twitter?

    3. Overt   3 years ago

      Everything Jack Dorsey said is absolutely right. One thing he notes is an activist investor joining the board in 2020. For the record, I believe this was Paul Singer- a famous GOP activist. So this should concern anyone who thinks that this is just a matter of getting the right people in control. This is a cultural issue.

      I have long thought about how a free social media/commenting system would work, due to the experience on the commenting systems of Reason.

      1) A blockchain-based, distributed commenting system would be resistant to attack from corporations AND government due to its distributed nature. (Note that blockchain does not mean Crypto-currency. It means using a cryptographically secure proof of work mechanism to verify the integrity of a distributed data set.)

      2) Cryptographic signing would allow any reader to understand the unique identity of the person who is posting a message.

      3) Client (browser-) based tools could analyze the blockchain to provide data that individual readers could use to curate their content. Essentially, each person could have their own algorithm of assigning "reputation" to a poster. Based on my "likes" I can develop a social graph of the type of content I want. Then it is up to me and the algorithm I choose to show what posters (or individual posts) I want to see. Do I only want to see posts from people I agree with? What about people I find high-quality arguers? This can all be algorithmically analyzed based on the people and posts I +1, and it isn't enforced by a central authority because it is all clients interpreting a distributed data set.

      Based on reading Dorsey's previous messages, I am 90% certain this is something he is currently working on.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago (edited)

        Dorsey is calling out a hedge fund.

        hedge fund Elliott Management, which in 2020 bought a big chunk of Twitter stock and then began trying to oust Dorsey as CEO.

        https://www.dailywire.com/news/this-is-my-fault-jack-takes-the-blame-for-twitters-failures

        This is also being seen with vanguard and Blackrock.

        Hedge funds should not be allowed the proxy vote of their investors Capitol.

        1. Overt   3 years ago

          Elliott Management is run by Paul Singer.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Point taken.

            1. Overt   3 years ago

              That said, I think Singer is about a interested in "beating the democrats" as Al Davis was interested in "winning the superbowl". Sure, he wants to be a winner, but he knows The System is far more important than any one victory or title. And so they will always err on the side of preserving that system, even if it means they aren't as competitive as normal.

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                Singer is a pretty big LGBTQQIA+2S activist also.
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Singer_(businessman)#LGBTQ_rights
                As well as an ESG supporter.

                He's firmly tied to the GOPe/RINO wing of the party.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

            Daily Fail is saying that Jesse Cohn is the one who did the palace coup on Dorsey.

            1. Overt   3 years ago

              All part of Singer's empire.

              I think the point here is that monolithic social media companies that are dependent on Ad revenue are uniquely vulnerable to destroying a culture of free expression. Regardless of the politics of who is making strategic decisions.

      2. Agammamon   3 years ago

        A good chunk of the value of the internet is being able to communicate anonymously.

        I do not see any value in being able to like some of my accounts to my real world identity.

        And if you're using a Blockchain then that is what happens.

        1. Overt   3 years ago (edited)

          Who said anything about linking your account to your “real world identity”?

          You can have a cryptographically secure identity that is still anonymous. You could even have multiple such identities that you curate in different ways. The purpose of a cryptographically secure identity system is that it inhibits socking and identity thieving.

          1. Overt   3 years ago

            To be more clear:

            Socking: Today, I could post a comment, and then create 30 different accounts to "+1" and reply with approving comments. But if each of those identities' activity is persisted on the blockchain, it is relatively trivial for clients to identify and discard identities that are "low value"- created very recently, only seem to +1 specific posts or posters, etc.

            Posing/Thieving identities: Stealing a cryptographic key is doable, but it is not very easy because it requires you to have access generally to the client. You can't just create a username designed to look like the one you are duping. You also can't constantly shift your username/handle, because either your identity will persist or you have to abandon the identity and build a new one.

            Now one may argue that this isn't a foolproof defense against bots and other automation. That is true. But, today, bots have to attack a central algorithm of curation. In this system they would have to attack many algorithms, and those could be so pliable as to have billions of parameters to attack.

            1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

              Ahhh I get it you hate sarc and his socks

              1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

                Who doesn’t?

              2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                "I could... create 30 different accounts"

                Sarcasmic definitely socks but he's to drunk and lazy to create 30 a day. That's more of a Shrike thing.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    President Joe Biden has signed the Respect for Marriage Act into law.

    Divorce is now ILLEGAL.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago

      Damn, Catholics.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Small "c" catholics, like tri-genders and furries, or big "C" Catholics, who worship the Pope?

        1. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago (edited)

          The ones who only show up for Easter and Christmas mass; those fiends. And of course the Irish.

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            Always the Irish.

            1. Dillinger   3 years ago

              erin go bragh.

          2. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

            Pog MO thoin

    2. Ajsloss   3 years ago

      100% of all divorces start with marriage.

    3. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

      Half of marriages end in divorce, the other half end in death

  3. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    The bill would order Biden to ban TikTok and other apps associated with "countries of concern" or "entities of concern."

    Remind Joe of that gawdawful "Please Don't Make Me Vote for Joe Biden" TikTok.

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  4. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Studies linked diseases to vaping even when subjects had these diseases before they started vaping.

    Are we really going to go back to questioning The Science?

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Only when involving drugs. Unless those drugs are vitamins that may help mitigate covid risks.

      1. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

        Moar Science!

        People who skipped their COVID vaccine are at higher risk of traffic accidents, according to a new study
        BYERIN PRATER
        December 13, 2022 at 10:31 AM PST

        https://fortune.com/well/2022/12/13/covid-unvaccinated-greater-risk-car-crash-traffic-accident-new-study-says-canada-government-records-pfizer-moderna/

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago (edited)

          Sounds sciencey.

          Amazing how we are living through lysenkoism in real time.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            As Arthur C. Clarke said, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

            And given that the average moron, er, voter, has no clue about how any of the technology around them works (including toilets), then their entire world is magic. And magical thinking, like emotional thinking, has no grounding in fact, objectivity, or logic.

            1. JimboJr   3 years ago

              add to that, the majority of them have reading lists that top out with the hunger games or harry potter.

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

                The smart ones read The Handmaid's Tale. Or maybe saw it on the TV.

                1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

                  I saw the thumbnail on a Netflix app, that counts

        2. Eeyore   3 years ago

          People who shoot themselves in the head are also less likely to die in automobile accidents. Just saying.

          1. Utkonos   2 years ago

            CITE??????

  5. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Today I am commuting all death sentences in Oregon to life without parole, so we no longer have anyone facing execution here.

    Sounds like someone secretly knows the incompetence and corruption in that area of government known as criminal justice.

    1. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

      Nah, that's just the requisite step for quietly releasing them and restoring their names on the registered voter lists.

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      This is the good kind of executive overreach. When it agrees with ones political beliefs. The ones that disagree with ones political beliefs is still bad.

      Oregon has not passed laws banning capital punishment.

      Not only is capital punishment still the law there, but also in their constitution.

      A broad waiver that is not explicitly individualized to ignore a law should not be applauded. It is simply the governor ignoring a law as well as their state constitution. Even if you're against the death penalty you should not applaud this action.

      If Gov Brown had explicitly reviewed each case it would be commendable. Here it is her just ignoring the legislative branch.

      1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

        It may be colloquially executive overreach, but it's not legally the case since commutation and pardons are generally an unrestricted power (though I'm not aware of Oregon's constitution). The reason this is give as a blanket, plenary power is to provide maximum benefit to the individual against the state.

        But there are still remedies. If this is sufficiently unpopular, the executive may be removed by an election or by impeachment. That's how you deal with misuse or abuse of the pardon power. If this is unpopular in Oregon (unlikely) then the governor will answer for it.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago (edited)

          General execution of the pardon power has generally not been considered a power of commutation. It has been ruled to require an explicit individualized use.

          https://joshblackman.com/blog/2014/11/22/the-constitutional-limits-of-prosecutorial-discretion/

          Above is an example.

          1. AugustWest   3 years ago

            We aren't talking about "general" or "considered". Article V, Section 14 of the Oregon Constitution is the applicable instrument, not a link to a Blackman article on prosecutorial discretion. Do you frequently refer to how things are "generally"..."considered" when debating constitutional analyses? Or do you prefer to reference the actual text and applicable jurisprudence? Because the Oregon Constitution explicitly uses the term "commutation", confers the authority to the Governor, and only places limits on commutation "for treason" and "subject to such regulations as may be provided by law". None of these offenses were treason. So, only a cite to applicable law to which the Oregon Constitution is subject offers any legitimate counter to the Governor's purported authority.

          2. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago

            That seems to involving prosecutorial discretion, not pardon power. From Andrew Johnson pardoning all the Confederates to Jimmy Carter's draft dodging pardon there is a history of doing these.

  6. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    The government hasn't learned a thing from the recent baby formula shortage.

    The FDA has recently proven that it is all about what's best for the people.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Including how, and perhaps if, people should live.

  7. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    ...why she's changed her party affiliation to Independent and "what happens when your party leaves you behind."

    You get Sinema'd.

    1. Dillinger   3 years ago

      in.

  8. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/aimeeterese/status/1602964876053213184?t=p_NHTVESkPxBPkbLNpQUSw&s=19

    There’s a distinctly pedophilic sensibility in people who want to censor the speech of other adults, and cry bully into ruin anyone who dares disagree with them on twitter, all while they endorse kids being on apps like Grindr. They like kids bc they’re vulnerable & compliant.

    Adults who might pushback against their bullshit get destroyed. And kids who don’t have the wherewithal to do so, are fetishised for that very reason. Narcissistic supply.

  9. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

    Bipartisan Bill To Ban TikTok Is Unworkable and Unnecessary?/i>

    I thought bipartisanship was good ?

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      For who? Not the major parties or the angertainment industry.

    2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

      Not when it proves Trump right

  10. Cyto   3 years ago

    Congratulations. You just put more effort into defending the freedom of TikTok than all of reason combined has put into ending the strangulation of the free press and free online communication here in the US.

    Well played.

    1. Cyto   3 years ago

      Also.... note the differenc between US TikTok and China TikTok. Instead of T&A dance videos and memes and fake challenges to do something stupid, they have a heavily curated experience filled with pro-education and pro-China propaganda. Think "schoolhouse rock" on a grand scale.

      1. JimboJr   3 years ago (edited)

        COVID wasn’t the only thing China was cooking up in a lab to cause serious problems in other countries.

        The rotting brains of gen Z as they get indoctrinated with the worst parts of society feeding them junk videos while collecting data…I would say TikTok has proven to be many degrees of destruction more than COVID ever could be, for society.

        Not that I am interested in having it banned. But it is sure as hell banned for my kids.

        1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          Worst thing since a Russian lab unleashed Tetris on America’s productive workers!

          1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

            No

          2. R Mac   3 years ago

            Poor Dee. Tries so hard.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

              And Dee fails so bad.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        Shit, I'd say it's social media as a whole.

        Zoomers first made their name by eating Tide Pods (no wonder they mostly vote Democrat), and the Daily Fail reported on some kid who hung herself after watching a video on Instagram.

        The best thing parents can do for their kids at this point is to not give them any sort of smartphones, and be extra vigilant about what they're watching.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Yup. I can write a shorter Roundup: TikTok censorship bad. Twitter censorship good.

  11. Nardz   3 years ago

    This tweet was not well received by the hivemind

    https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1602813039266373634?t=043rXBGMhzQatu8q3-1ujA&s=19

    You know who actually led an "insurrection"? George Washington

    1. Cyto   3 years ago

      Number 1 reply when I clicked?

      "Boomer posting, I see."

      I think the post-millenial hive mind had a very different type of civics than the pre-millenial crowd.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        The coddled--and propagandized--generation. And one would not be possible without the other.

  12. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

    "Fears about TikTok are overblown, and any real threats can be mitigated by way less drastic measures than banning ByteDance (TikTok's parent company) from doing business here."

    If this is the stance Reason is taking, I'm thinking the opposite is true.

    1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

      Ah, more letting your thoughts and actions be controlled by others.

      In this case, it’s even dumber than automatically doing the opposite of whatever government health experts want you to do — you voluntarily visit a private website every day to find out what their beliefs are and then automatically believe the opposite. That’s analogous to a rebellious teenager who has run away from home calling his parents every day to find out what they are thinking so he can continue to rebel against them. Dependence rather than true independent thinking.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        You are so dense.

      2. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Cite on him applauding TikTok prior?

      3. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

        Stalking and gaslighting. Your last SO must have a restraining order or three on you.

        1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          Stalking? We both visit here every day. Not my fault you regularly say things that I find worthy of countering. You can mute me or stop coming here.

          Gaslighting? You just literally wrote that you take the opposite position of whatever Reason does: “If this is the stance Reason is taking, I’m thinking the opposite is true.”

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

            You just don't like it when someone criticizes ENB as you follow (is that stalking?) her around on Twitter like a lost puppy.

          2. JesseAz   3 years ago

            It was actual sarcasm. Sorry youre so used to praising sarcasmic as a comic genius. This is an actual example of it.

          3. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

            You can mute me or stop coming here.

            Said the most sensitive fuck on this board.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

              Hasn't White Knight Mike muted most of us here already? I know he claims to have muted me (and that was fast - I haven't been a commenter all that long).

      4. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        What the hell is your point, Mikey?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Remember, the purpose of some people's lives is to serve as a warning to others.

  13. JesseAz   3 years ago

    DoJ official Gupta once again admits they are targeting pro life activists for political reasons, namely in response to overturning Roe. They are admitting to political targeting.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-official-admits-targeting-pro-lifers-wake-scotus-roe-v-wade-ruling

    This is a follow up to an earlier statement by the DoJ after the decision leaked.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-doj-created-a-pro-abortion-task-force-to-crack-down-on-pro-lifers

    These are felonies targeted to even non violent pro life people. In fact of the nearly 20 cases so far the closest physical confrontation is clearly not a violation of FACE as it occurred a block away from PP and the abortion activist is the one who initiated the confrontation.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Trust the experts

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Get the pro-choice vax!

    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      DoJ official Gupta once again admits they are targeting pro life activists for political reasons, namely in response to overturning Roe. They are admitting to political targeting.

      There's been bad DOJ's before but never one quite so blatantly lawless.

      Forget impeaching withered diaper daddy, Garland is who the GOP really need to impeach.

      1. Ronbback   3 years ago

        IMPEACH HELL lets shut the DOJ down and start over with rules that they must obey and the first rule would be its illegal for the DOJ to tell social media companies what they can and cant print at anytime for any reason even during a war.

    3. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

      pro life activists

      You mean domestic terrorists like Paul Jennings Hill.

      Words matter.

      I recall when the right called for the murder of George Tiller. Christo-Fascists put a fatwa on his ass and his murder soon followed.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago (edited)

        Still killed less than any Planned Parenthood abattoir kills on a typical weekday.

        I’d like to see serial killers like John Britton and George Tiller locked up and left to rot until the day they die.

        You’re evil, Buttplug. That’s why you can shill for murderers, but I want a pedo like you to remember this, abortion cuts into your supply of delicious children.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          There have been 50 attacks on pro life pregnancy centers this year. Shrike supports going after the non violent protrstors instead.

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            He’s pretty consistent with supporting violence and political prosecutions against his enemies.

  14. JesseAz   3 years ago

    A look at school assignments popping up in school systems. Claims of teachers not indoctrination kids continue.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1602651667920736257

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Teachers are openly bragging about indoctrination of students.

      https://www.foxnews.com/media/baltimore-teacher-brags-indoctrinating-students-taxpayer-money-put-taxes-bag

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        Jeff and Mike swear that this isn't happening, while simultaneously saying it's okay.

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          Onto “ it’s a good thing “

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            Did we pass "You racist!"?

        2. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Teachers know how to teach your kids better than parents do.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            Teachers know what to teach your kids better than parents do.

            FIFY

            1. R Mac   3 years ago

              Agreed.

              — Lying Jeffy

  15. Nardz   3 years ago

    Belief in freedom leads to car accidents...

    https://twitter.com/davereaboi/status/1603036224494657538?t=Qhpxqoxp9rmUgu6U9QswIA&s=19

    Hahahah. Of course, of course.

    [Link]

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Stay inside. Turn off Twitter. And wear a mask.

    2. MT-Man   3 years ago

      Isn't actually more sad that a group of researchers got paid to do this and probably well from some grant?

  16. JesseAz   3 years ago

    For one thing, it's technologically infeasible. It's also pointless. Fears about TikTok are overblown, and any real threats can be mitigated by way less drastic measures than banning ByteDance (TikTok's parent company) from doing business here.

    I trust ENBs analysis here because she was absolutely correct in her prior assertions that totally were not refuted by Twitter Files that ENB took the last few years.

    TikTok is essentially spy ware. They openly tried to influence the election with promotions of certain videos. The data actually does go to the Chinese government including contacts, locations, biometrics.

    Claimimg fears are overblown shows an ignorance of the facts.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      And also an oddly open inconsistency about official sanctions: bad if directed at TikTok, good if directed at Twitter.

    2. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      When journalists make pronouncements about tech ("it's infeasible") you can be sure they have no idea what they're talking about.

  17. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/ericareport/status/1602785534522183680?t=eBtWJM-IhTvx2ox3lmRXGg&s=19

    BREAKING: Prominent attorneys are investigating whether Elon Musk lied on his application for U.S. citizenship. If it shows that he lied anywhere on the application, its likely he could be stripped of his of U.S. citizenship and deported.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      He is in the crosshairs

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        I think that they're going to end up killing him somehow. There's too much power and money at stake not to do so.

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          Something something goose golden eggs.

        2. Cyto   3 years ago

          Amazing that nobody seems the least bit concerned... or even surprised.

          Some guy says "let there be free speech" and an entire machine of public and private actors goes into overdrive trying to destroy him.... and nobody finds this shocking?

          I am reminded of the Flynn situation. In the contemporaneous notes about the meeting where the decision to frame him for a crime was taken, it described something stunning.

          The president, vice president, director of the FBI, and a Deputy Attorney General are all in the room... and 2 front line FBI agents are told to go interview Flynn again before the lawyers in the campaign can get organized... and they ask "are we going there to get him fired, or to get him arrested"?

          This is astonishing and terrifying. Not just that such high level officials would frame someone for a crime. But that nobody was even a little bit worried about openly discussing it in a large group and in front of underlings like two line FBI agents. This means that framing people for crimes is not terribly out of the ordinary for those folks.

          The same thing here.... the reaction is "of course they are using their offices to try to destroy the guy who wants to allow free speech!"

          That is crazy. Even if it was "the guy who wants to censor twitter", which would be anathema to American values, we should be shocked at bureaucrats and officials using their offices to attack a political opponent like that.

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            I’m sure Reason will condemn this tomorrow.

      2. MT-Man   3 years ago

        Birthers for good! Lol

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Is this the good kind of birtherism?

    3. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      Walls are closing in!

    4. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Everyone of his businesses are also now under investigation by a federal agency.

  18. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Twitter founder Jack Dorsey explains where he thinks he went wrong and his vision of how a social media company should behave.

    The worst part he essentially agrees with Musk.

    1. Cyto   3 years ago

      Bari Weiss' new "the Free Press" publication had an article about suppression of dissent using PayPal.

      https://www.thefp.com/p/what-the-hell-happened-to-paypal

      Before buying Twitter, Musk was saying that the US could use a freedom based all in one app that allowed encrypted direct messaging, social media posting ..... and secure financial transactions.

      PayPal is opening the door for Twitter to come in and combine PayPal/Venmo features into a one stop app that has freedom as a priority.

      Could be interesting.

      No wonder the feds are after him

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Bari Weiss is a right wing journalist. Ask WaPo.

        1. Cyto   3 years ago

          And out of the gate the first article I read at her paper is more libertarian than most anything I see here.

          That should not be possible.

      2. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago

        Paypal/venmo don't equate to freedom to me. Any transaction over $600 gets reported to the IRS.

        Can't wait for the reaction to all the squeege kids in Baltimore getting 1099s this year from them. Would be funny if the tax authorities Capone'd them to clean up the streets.

        1. Cyto   3 years ago

          I wonder if they will find a way to similarly regulate private block chain cryptocurrency transfers?

          1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

            only through the exchanges.

            which is why you cant buy Monero on the american exchanges. Deep state has banned it.

          2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

            If you never turn it into dollars, never let your bitcoin touch an exchange, then how can they do that?

      3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        Civil-liberties groups decry the lack of transparency. “This lack of due process has a disproportionate impact on marginalized communities, including people of color and religious minorities,” the Electronic Frontier Foundation letter, addressed to PayPal CEO Dan Schulman and other PayPal executives, stated.

        True to form, the EFF makes the right complaint for exactly the wrong reasons. They won't beat the corporations at their own game.

        The policies are bad because they're antithetical to the ideals of free speech and the freedom to navigate public life, at least from a financial standpoint. The "it hurts women and minorities" is not the counter to this problem, IT IS THE PROBLEM. It's literally how we got here. Paypal, a business which should be in the business of A being able to transfer money to B, is now literally in the business of making sure women and minorities are no longer hardest hit. Women and minorities are hardest hit by freedom of speech. That's literally the claim. So EFF needs to get its shit together, expunge the neomarxists on their staff and stop going to the woke playbook.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      It's suspected that Dorsey may have been high and not paying much attention while letting the inmates run the asylum.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        He lost control at the start to a very activist board who were responsible for a lot of the Agrawals, Segals, Bakers, Roths and Gaddes.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          The libertarian conundrum: do we tolerate activists who overtly seek to destroy liberty?

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            Jeff, White Mike and Buttplug are still here, so I guess?...

  19. Cyto   3 years ago

    Unlike reason, who's groupthink response to a free speech advocate taking over Twitter in order to end political censorship being directed out of the DNC and the federal bureaucracy was to strongly push for a migration away from Twitter and on to Mastadon, I went the other way.

    Despite my objections to all things social media that was strong enough to keep me off the platform since its creation, I decided to support their attempt to return the internet to the marketplace of ideas that our libertarian ideals hold so dear by creating an account and downloading the app for the first time.

    After a few days?

    It is better than I thought it would be.

    I found all of the writers I follow. Greenwald, Taibbi and Weiss were quick to pop up. All of my favorite science communicators were there. I followed NASA and Eric Berger and Tim Dodd and Scott Manly et al.

    And you know what I didn't find?

    A cesspool of racism and trolls.

    In fact.... Reason's comment section is far more infested with trolls.

    It was more like.... Glibertarians. Or the old The Agitator site.

    Admittedly, I have stayed in the shallow end. My Reddit experience following Space based groups for launch information and finding partners to rent boats to watch launches from offshore taught me that even a short trip into the political cesspool was hard to wash off.

    But overall I cannot fathom what ENB is talking about. There is no problem at all that I can see. No blizzard of spam. Nobody posting the N word as a first post. Just a bunch of comments and replies from people I choose.

    It really makes me suspect that people who suddenly started talking down Twitter have completely nefarious motives.

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      and Tim Dodd

      I'm pretty stoked about his Dear Moon ride along. I hope it happens.

      1. Cyto   3 years ago

        Yeah.... that dude is such an average nerd that it really feels like they picked one of us rabble. The dude started a YouTube channel wearing an old Russian pressure suit and calling himself the Everyday Astronaut. With a ton of enthusiasm and very little knowledge of the topic, he quickly became the most informative and insightful reporter on the space industry.

        And still.... total nerd.

        Everyone seems really happy for him. Dude seems like a genuinely nice person. Can't wait to see his report from orbit.

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Ive never done Twitter.

      Can you post a decent seed list if i do decide to start?

      1. Cyto   3 years ago

        I just downloaded the app and skipped through as much as I could to get to Taibbi's story about the Twitter files.

        Within minutes it had figured out several people for me to follow.

        I did not "like" or follow anything for a couple of days. I finally gave a heart to a comment by Nancy Rommelman and then another to a comment by Glenn Greenwald.... it seems that only people in our cabal are supporting the Twitter dump... and pretty soon I gave up and followed all those folks.

        Then I searched out the science people I follow on YouTube or on a podcast.

        And that is it. I have spent maybe an hour on the platform. Seems fine so far. App is fast and responsive. Doesn't eat my battery like Facebook does to my wife's phone.

        They do seem to have a way to push mass engagement... they suggest a big group of people who are "similar to this" or some such. Yeah, no thanks. I don't need a firehouse. Just a trickle to start with.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

          Twitter is pretty easy to use, and I went on it a few months ago (just before the Musk takeover). It's gotten a bit cleaner since Musk bought them. If you follow Taibbi, Weiss, and Shellenberger, you'll see The Twitter Files in full, and as they are released.

        2. JesseAz   3 years ago

          But you follow Matt Yglesias right?

          1. Cyto   3 years ago

            Dangit.... I knew I forgot something...

            1. R Mac   3 years ago

              Make sure you follow ENB!

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

                Just like @MikeLaursen2.

                1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                  I laughed my ass off reading his feed. He constantly boasts on it about being the consummate Reason insider.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

                    Fun one from the White Knight himself.

                    https://twitter.com/MikeLaursen2/status/1602391257396826113

                    Sure, and it has its place as part of one’s personal ethics, but personal ethics are not what should be legal or illegal. @ENBrown
                    doesn’t view sex work as immoral, other libertarians do, but we should all agree it shouldn’t be illegal.

                    Does ENB run into issues regarding sex work with other libertarians? Be still my heart.

                2. R Mac   3 years ago

                  Oh shit! Haha.

                3. R Mac   3 years ago

                  Dee concern trolling Musk:

                  Mike Laursen
                  @MikeLaursen2
                  ·
                  Nov 18
                  Replying to
                  @MikeLaursen2
                  You can pull shit like “whaling and culling” as short-term thinking stunts, but it isn’t sustainable. You have to treat employees with respect, or those whales will find more pleasant places to work.

                  Hahaha, what a douche.

        3. Ronbback   3 years ago

          I went on twitter after seeing a person's reporting on the atrocities of Chinas covid lockdowns, reports rarely seen by U.S. media. its been good and i'm not seeing any of the hate and violence they claim but then i only follow a few groups and just don't have time to look further

      2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        @therealDonaldTrump

    3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Despite my objections to all things social media that was strong enough to keep me off the platform since its creation, I decided to support their attempt to return the internet to the marketplace of ideas that our libertarian ideals hold so dear by creating an account and downloading the app for the first time.

      Check out Trumpy McTrumpface over here. Admit it, the only reason you signed up is because you can now send homophobic mean tweets.

    4. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago (edited)

      was to strongly push for a migration away from Twitter and on to Mastadon

      On a serious note, in a tepid defense of ENB, think back to that Mastadon article she wrote. Did anyone else get the impression her heart just wasn’t in it? It was written like someone who’d just converted to Veganism trying to convince you that this Tofurkey meatloaf recipe really is as good as the real thing. At the end, she takes a bite, grits her teeth, smiles and says, “Really, it’s… good.”

      1. Cyto   3 years ago

        It was a pretty long piece that came out the same day as a dozen other outlets talking about Mastadon. And now? Nothing.

        The hive mind is odd.

        Maybe you cannot see it from inside. But that is the article I want to read. Why did I write about mastadon on the same day as another dozen writers?

        This is really the only story of value... I have been saying that for a half dozen years. We see a glimpse from the Twitter files. There is an intense personal desire to be a part of it and to enforce their own ideas of right and wrong.... but there is also a degree of command and control, with emails and even personal visits from FBI personnel.

        Someone needs to write the definitive "Black Like Me" expose' on this.

      2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

        No, to me it seemed her heart was in it at the time.

        But she has continued to post on Twitter and hasn’t been using Mastodon, so apparently you intuited her true attitude.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Such a lost little puppy. ENB won't adopt you unless you're a sex working puppy.

      3. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

        Meanwhile, Julian Sanchez seems to be the one Reason writer who has committed to posting on Mastodon.

    5. R Mac   3 years ago

      I also created an account after Musk announced he was buying it. Didn’t download the app, not sure if I want it on my phone or not, just going on with my laptop once in awhile.

  20. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/1602982264350064641?t=q8lvG50tUOSMzJUrIYEw4A&s=19

    She's correct: neopronouns are about power and control over your perception and intellectual autonomy. You are free to use your judgement to describe their physical status with a pronoun, and they wish to deprive you of that freedom. This unprovoked aggression warrants hostility.

    [Link]

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Well, you have to control language to control thinking. And you have to control thinking to create the utopian hive mind. And you have to create the utopian hive mind to achieve ideological unity.

      What's your problem?

  21. Quicktown Brix   3 years ago

    "Fears about TikTok are overblown"

    Start the "TikTok files" release countdown.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Yeah, at this point, I'm waiting for the "it's not happening" to switch to "Ok, so the CCP is using it for data-gathering on the American public, but it's not as bad as you say."

  22. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Some suggest that since the app is based in China, it must be a tool of Chinese propaganda. This is probably the silliest fear

    No. It's pretty well documented that it's being used to spy on the phones of users. It's CCP spyware.

    Just like Google and Facebook were developed for by the CIA and DHS.

    1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

      It would axsully fear if China were a normal free market economy. However, it is not, it is a totalitarian collectivist state which does not truly have a private sector economy. It's companies are agents of the Chinese State.

  23. Jerryskids   3 years ago

    President Joe Biden has signed the Respect for Marriage Act into law.

    Joe supported the Defense of Marriage Act as well so he's on record as claiming marriage is between one man and one woman. But that was the old younger Joe Biden back when he had three brain cells. Now that he's down to just the one left, he'll say whatever his handlers put on the teleprompter.

  24. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1602789761185447940?t=X2NVzGN6v0Eu0ivqL2Ewog&s=19

    Biden saying gay people are getting thrown out of restaurants proves a point I’ve made many times:

    You cannot negotiate or reason with the communist because the simple truth is most of them live entirely in a world of make believe. You can’t leave reality to work with someone.

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Oddly enough the only stories I see of people being kicked out of restaurants are the religious and conservatives.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        But 1950s Jim Crow!

      2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

        The backlash against Christo-Fascism is just getting started.

        Both sides want to use government force as a cudgel against their foes. It leaves normal liberal secularists like me in the middle of their clash.

        Republicans like MTG are openly calling for armed conflict with anti-fascists.

        1. JimboJr   3 years ago

          "armed conflict with anti-fascists."

          The ones dressed in black vandalizing, looting, and burning? And intimidating/attacking anyone who films them?

          Ya, im fine with them all getting Rittenhouse'd, they started it, itll be their fault when they get dropped.

          "Anti-fascists" lmfao

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

            That was BLM.

            The Anti-fascists only fight actual fascists like MTG.

            And other NAZI types.

            1. JimboJr   3 years ago

              nice gaslighting pedo, but unfortunately for you our lying eyes saw plenty of Antifa burning, looting, rioting.

              It was BLM too, but really there isnt a huge distinction. Woke authoritarian garbage. Modern day brown shirts.

        2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

          The walls are closing in.

        3. R Mac   3 years ago

          You were banned for posting kiddie porn links.

        4. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          I hear ya. I would love it if all the left-wing and right-wing culture warriors and violent extremists went out in the middle of the desert or something and just had it out between their two ridiculous sides.

          Meanwhile, normal people could go back to having a decent country.

          1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

            The blood lust is strong with this one.

          2. JimboJr   3 years ago

            I mean, in that case there would just be a massive pile of dead left wingers, so I guess Twitter might end up being kind of tolerable for a little bit

        5. VinniUSMC   3 years ago

          ... normal liberal secularists like me ...

          No pedo, you are not normal or liberal. Just a stupid pedo.

    2. JimboJr   3 years ago

      The entire wokeSJW movement is one that places itself in opposition to a caricature/strawman that exists nowhere. When its not doing that, its usually just actual projection of things they are doing (see: calling anyone who wants free speech or decreased censorship a 'fascist')

      They will no-shit argue that we live in a time of unprecedented hate/racism while living in a time with objectively some of the lowest amount of racism humanity has ever seen. They will claim there are a significant amount of people on the right against interracial marriage, but the only people who ever actually are against it are insane intersectional lefties who dont want white people climbing the victim pyramid with their diverse spouses/kids (this I have seen a LOT, while the old-timey racist klansmen wanting resegregation is near non-existent while also being societally shunned).

      Kendi in one of his garbage writings claimed he was having some sort of panic attack locked in his apartment in (I think) VA because at any minute a white supremacist might break in and lynch him...in modern times...

      These people act like we dont have every major corporation sporting a pride flag, LGBTQ and POC's cast as the bestest of bestest brave wonderful intelligent paragons on every show (while also taking whitey down a peg by making white males incompetent, corrupt, evil, or comic relief), and we didn't just trade the weakest bargaining chip in the history of negotiations for a notorious arms dealer because she happened to be both black AND gay.

      The level of gaslighting is getting to the point where their followers, if they aren't already mentally ill, will be soon

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Seriously: the woke identity is mostly a RPG in a fantasy universe. Any philosophical grounding comes from the Post-modernist rejection of any objective reality, twisted through social Marxism and critical theory. But it always comes back to self and group delusions.

    3. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      Perhaps he was just referring to Twitter employees that were kicked out of the free lunch?

  25. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/BillFOXLA/status/1602672822303719425?t=f9FGhtvw-iVwXi83B03yXA&s=19

    NEW: In Brownsville, TX we once again witnessed Border Patrol mass releasing hundreds of migrants at a parking garage. A NGO across street then helps organize their travel around the US.
    BP source tells me they release hundreds here almost daily, sometimes 10 busloads in a day.

    [Link]

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      I swear to God, if one single brown person ends up in Martha's Vineyard, I'm gonna lose my shit.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        I think they put up a wall

      2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

        Are you going to show that your shit is lost by putting the brown people up in a church and feeding them free pizza?

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          I agree with Mikes stance here. All illegals shall be given a blanket and a pizza before being kicked out under 30 hours later.

          Finally a policy I agree with Mike about.

        2. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago (edited)

          And then shipping them right out within 48 hours to a mainland national guard base. Off the island, out of sight, and out of mind.

        3. JimboJr   3 years ago

          This looks like another 'about to be ratioed' comment. SMH

          Yes Mike, he will show it by doing that...AND also immediately calling the feds in to get them in a cage before the slices get cold!

          1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

            Like transporting them to a place that had social services lined up, two days after they showed up.

            Look, DeSantis’ gotcha didn’t work. His first fuck up was that his agent in Texas picked up legal immigrants when she should have picked up illegal ones. Second fuck up is that, even if Martha’s Vineyards residents are the most hypocritical, racist people on earth they knew the eyes of the world were on them so they treated the unexpected guests well. (Or maybe they simply aren’t the hypocritical racists that conservatives are trying desperately to spin them to be.)

            Regardless, conservatives are doing victory laps as if DeSantis’ scheme worked while everyone else is scratching their heads because they can clearly see DeSantis’ plan crashed and burned.

            1. JimboJr   3 years ago

              ^ literally no one outside of WaPo readers had any of those takes LMAO

              1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

                Literally nobody but Newsmax consumers think DeSantis succeeded in his gotcha plan.

        4. R Mac   3 years ago

          Keep the narrative alive Dee!

          1. Super Scary   3 years ago

            Mike may be the last person in America that thinks that whole Martha's Vineyard thing was a W for his team. Truly delusional.

            1. JimboJr   3 years ago

              *Desantis/Abbot send a couple buses to sanctuary cities, to prove its a burden on the city and its welfare/safety net*

              *Dems in sanctuary cities immediately lose their shit stating this is putting a strain on their social safety nets; Immediately look for ways to get them out*

              Mike: "See Desantis totally failed! Some hypocrites gave them some pizza while the cameras were on then immediately called the military when the camera were off! This somehow shows Desantis lost!"

              1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

                Nice. Diane/Paul specifically comments on Martha’s Vineyard. I specifically respond about Martha’s Vineyard.

                You respond, changing the context to some vague, unspecified event.

              2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

                And as far as the people of Martha’s Vineyard waiting until the “cameras were off” before sending the immigrants somewhere else that is not accurate. It was only two days later and their actions were still being closely watched and scrutinized.

  26. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    New York Times podcast The Argument, host Jane Coaston (once a registered Libertarian) talks to Justin Amash about why she's changed her party affiliation to Independent and "what happens when your party leaves you behind."

    We lost another one, guys, we need to stem the flow!

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Is she as strong a libertarian ona left leaning site as Robbie is in his Fauci interviews on a left leaning site?

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        I’d meant to post but forgot: Robbie was on Kennedy the other night, and was much more vociferous in his criticism of the Twitter censorship than he was in his article the other day. Made me wonder if there’s a dictate at Reason to downplay it here.

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

          He wants to be invited back to Fox News. He also wants to be invited back to Reason. So you play to your audience.

  27. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    Sickness comes with life.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/youre-gonna-get-sick-get-used-it

    Zero Covid, zero disease, zero suffering, zero death. Unrealistic goals? You bet - although many countries (particularly China) have seemingly adopted a “Zero Covid” stance and have made a rather destructive effort to eliminate any occurrence of Covid-19 from their citizenry - boarding people up in their apartments, attacking people trying to escape, all those fun things fascists like to do.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Most important: zero dissent.

    2. Super Scary   3 years ago

      Zero chance they won't do it again at the slightest opportunity.

  28. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    Ron Paul:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/ron-paul-mother-all-economic-crisis-will-lead-social-unrest-violence

    Nouriel Roubini, a former advisor to the International Monetary Fund and member of President Clinton’s Council of Economic Advisors, was one of the few “mainstream” economists to predict the collapse of the housing bubble. Now Roubini is warning that the staggering amounts of debt held by individuals, businesses, and the government will soon lead to the “mother of all economic crises.”

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Birthing person of all economic crises.

      FIFY, you racist.

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Now you've pissed off jeff by citing an unapproved libertarian.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Chemjeff Retarded Statist can cry more.

  29. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    Whipping up Covid fear.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/12/14/the-new-york-times-shameless-covid-contortions/

    Last week, the New York Times decided to venture forth into this ‘dangerous’ surge. And what it found was apparently stunning and newsworthy. For instance, it reports that a mother and children shopped for groceries in the south-east corner of Los Angeles County without masks, while half of the employees in that same Boyle Heights supermarket wore no face coverings. (The New York Times was seemingly not surprised by the 50 per cent of workers who still were wearing face coverings.)

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Translation: 50% face masks = 50% progressives who need to wear some sort of political badge.

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      What kind of idiot thinks a paper mask will stop a virus?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        A Woke fascist progressive.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Again, the virus is not the point. The mask will stop others from assuming the wearer is not a faithful party member.

      3. Super Scary   3 years ago

        Yeah, did they run out of t-shirts to cut up? It's like they WANT to be die from the 99% lethal Covid virus.

    3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      And, the New York Times also went after the Chinese government for fearmongering over COVID. The dissonance burns.

  30. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    Green = Cold.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/12/14/renewables-wont-keep-us-warm-this-winter/

    There are already many German loan words in the English language, but the latest addition should surely be the term ‘Dunkelflaute’. It describes a period of time in which virtually no energy can be generated using wind and solar power. It is a word that captures the grave problem that both Britain and Germany are facing today – namely, that you cannot run a modern economy on renewable energy. Especially during a windless and dark winter.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Nobody needs an economy that works every day.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        No one needs seventy two degrees of anything.

  31. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    See Reason, this is what a real libertarian publication does.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/12/14/how-i-learned-to-love-free-speech/

    Elon Musk’s Twitter takeover has exposed the liberal elites’ fear of free speech. His relaxation of its content-moderation policies has sent the blue-ticks into meltdown. Many are so horrified at the prospect of encountering views that differ from their own, they are now threatening to leave the platform altogether. So why have so many on the liberal-left given up on free speech? Why do they seem to have forgotten the dangers of censorship?

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      It’s not so dangerous if you are the one doing it.

    2. JasonAZ   3 years ago

      "Many are so horrified at the prospect of encountering views that differ from their own, they are now threatening to leave the platform altogether."

      This describes ENB, but she's so addicted to Twitter she cannot leave. It's really sad. And now, she has to tolerate a social media platform where icky conservatives can share their viewpoints. OH, THE HORROR!!!

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  33. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    SBF and his hearing.

    https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/12/13/inside-sam-bankman-frieds-first-hearing-after-his-arrest/

    He arrived to the courthouse at approximately 10:30 a.m. ET wearing a blue suit. Bankman-Fried was not handcuffed as he sat alone in the front row of the court, directly facing Magistrate Judge Joyann Ferguson-Pratt, who signed the warrant for his arrest Monday.

  34. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

    Reason contributor and libertarian Cathy Young on Twitter-gate:

    Conservative paranoia originally sound because of shadow-banning but quickly morphed into their routine QAnon conspiratorial nonsense.

    At this point, Musk’s use of Twitter to galvanize the craziest elements of the MAGA far right and to sic them on “enemies” from Twitter’s “old regime” overshadows any positive value of his arguably positive pro-transparency moves, such as the announcement of a software update that will allow users to see whatever restrictions have been placed on their account, and anything of interest his disclosures may offer. The Musk/Twitter saga has crossed the line into shocking ugliness, and any journalists assisting in it are tainted by the association.

    https://www.thebulwark.com/do-the-twitterfiles-matter-or-are-they-a-nothingburger/

    Twitter will survive but only if they distance themself from the far-right nutcases.

    1. Cyto   3 years ago

      That takes some astonishing mental gymnastics.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        Yeah, I can't even figure out how we got from A to B on that one. "Everything that was said about Twitter was true, Jack Dorsey made material statements to Congress that were likely untrue regarding how the platform censors and moderates... GODDAMNIT, Q-ANON!"

      2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        And again, WHO is making the qanon conspiratorial nonsense arguments? My right-wing MAGA feed, consisting of people like Brendan O'Neill, Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi etc., aren't making any q-anon arguments here. Hell, even the very small number of Fox News segments I see are making pretty standard, mainstream arguments.

    2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      Likely so. At the end of the day, Musk needs to keep advertisers happy.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        Why would they not be happy with freedom?

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

          Have you seen his list of advertisers?

      2. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Mikes loyalties seem to be to large corporations.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Just curious: are there any far left nutcases?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Well, I can start the list with SPB2.

    4. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      Define "far-right nutcase", far-left pedo.

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        Never forget turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

  35. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    Gutfeld on SBF:

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/greg-gutfeld-why-didnt-anyone-question-sam-bankman-fried

    It's already starting. He couldn't hide forever. I mean, especially when you look like a cross between Mark Cuban, a Cross Your Heart bra and a wad of pubic hair. It's getting worse. He was scooped up in the Bahamas on Monday and is accused of defrauding investors out of billions. Charges include wire fraud, securities fraud, money laundering. Fortune called him the next Warren Buffett. But in their defense, it's a common name. That joke deserved a better laugh. Thank you. It really is a good joke. Screw everybody.

  36. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    What do snakes and humans have in common?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-63967778

    But the female sex organ had been "overlooked in comparison", researchers said.

    Let the jokes commence.

  37. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

    Twitter founder Jack Dorsey explains where he thinks he went wrong and his vision of how a social media company should behave.

    Who cares what he thinks.

    1. Cyto   3 years ago

      Reas the article about PayPal I link above. She interviews some of the original founders of the new tech companies who were outwardly extremely pro free speech at that time.

      There is a common theme of "I can't believe what they did to my company".

      1. Ajsloss   3 years ago

        And if they could do it all over again?... They'd sellout again.

      2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        What the Hell Happened to PayPal?
        In 1998, the payments app was created to empower individuals. Today, it’s a cornerstone of our emerging social-credit system.

        Thank you for that article. This really cuts to the core. Internet 1.0 was all about empowering people, hip-swiveling libertarian freedom of speech, the marketplace of ideas...

        Now?

  38. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

    No, You Do Not Have a Constitutional Right to Post Hunter Biden’s Dick Pic on Twitter
    Elon Musk and Matt Taibbi’s First Amendment follies.

    https://www.thebulwark.com/no-you-do-not-have-a-constitutional-right-to-post-hunter-bidens-dick-pic-on-twitter/

    I'm really getting into The Bulwark.

    We put country over party.

    Very rare these days. I am sick of Team Red and Team Blue.

    Go Dave Chappelle and Kyrsten Sinema.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      You're just jealous that Hunter Biden has better dick pics than you, pedo.

    2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

      Because among Republican members of Congress, leading conservative media commentators, contrarian substackers, conservative tech bros, and friends of Donald Trump, the ability to post Hunter Biden’s cock shots on Twitter is the number-one issue in America this weekend. They believe that if they are not allowed to post porno, our constitutional republic may be in jeopardy.

      Perfect.

      Read and learn, Peanuts.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        That's penis, not peanuts, whackjob.

        Anyway, it has nothing to do with your Hunter Biden penis obsession.

      2. Sevo   3 years ago

        turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      3. Cyto   3 years ago

        It is hilarious how weak minded people are. They came up with this silly spin after 2 years... and suddenly all the jelly-brained proles started repeating it as if it had any merit. And more amazingly.... they instantly believed it.

        We had all the proof any prosecutor needed that Biden was on the take long before the laptop. The laptop sealed it. It also provided evidence of several other serious crimes.

        And the FBI did nothing with it.

        And the useful idiots repeat anything they are told... and they all truly love Big Brother.

        1. Sevo   3 years ago

          "...and they all truly love Big Brother."

          True of quite a few, but others, like turd here, simply haven't the intelligence to understand they're being distracted from the issue at hand.

        2. JimboJr   3 years ago

          what the FBI DID do was continue raiding Biden's enemies though (without any actual probable cause)

      4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        PENIS, PENIS, PENIS, PENIS, PENIS, PENIS, PENIS, PENIS, PENIS, PENIS, PENIS, PENIS, PENIS, PENIS, PENIS, PENIS, PENIS

        Can I get a job with Vox, or maybe MSNBC?

    3. Sevo   3 years ago

      turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

      Fuckin' LOL at the hicklib pederast citing neocons.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        Note that The Bulwark is parroting their lefty boos' talking point about "Hunter Biden dick pics!" because neocons are Democrats now.

        Shrike endorsed this viewpoint, which makes him a Democrat (but we've known that for over a decade now).

  39. Sevo   3 years ago

    Nothing about the fusion 'breakthrough'?

    “…The complicated part, though, is that the reaction also requires a ton of energy to start. Powering the entire laser system used by the NIF requires more than 400 megajoules -- but only a small percentage actually hits the hohlraum with each firing of the beams. Previously, the NIF had been able to pretty consistently hit the target with around 2 megajoules from its lasers.
    But on Dec. 5, during one run, something changed.
    "Last week, for the first time, they designed this experiment so that the fusion fuel stayed hot enough, dense enough and round enough for long enough that it ignited," Marv Adams, deputy administrator at the NNSA, said during the conference. "And it produced more energy than the lasers had deposited."
    More specifically, scientists at NIF kickstarted a fusion reaction using about 2 megajoules of energy to power the lasers and were able to get about 3 megajoules out…”
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/fusion-energy-breakthrough-major-milestone-achieved-in-us-experiment/ar-AA15edFc

    So it consumes 400 megajoules to produce 3 megajoules; a .3/4 of 1% return.

    1. Cyto   3 years ago

      Sooooo...... 20 years away?

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        Looking like in 20 years it'll be 20 years away.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Just in time for climate change to be a risk.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            By then it will be the Deep Freeze catastrophe (again).

            1. Sevo   3 years ago

              Hey, recycled crisis!

    2. Zeb   3 years ago

      Yeah, it's an important step, but hardly the breakthrough that it's being sold as. Getting sustained ignition that can be kept going indefinitely still seems like a pretty distant goal.

    3. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      This is just in time for the Biden admin to take credit for it and push more green policies!

    4. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      400 megajoules! 400 megajoules?!! GREAT SCOTT!

      What... what the hell is a 'magajoule'?

      How could I have been so careless? 400 megajoules? How am I gonna generate that kind of power? It can't be done! It can't!

  40. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

    HUNTER BIDENS PENIS !! REPUBLICANS ARE OBSESSED WITH IT !!!

    1. Sevo   3 years ago

      turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled shit-pile, a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      To be fair, the heart of the matter for Republicans was always that it seems to have evidence of Joe Biden’s corruption.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        I mean if you blindly ignore all the evidence there is definitely no evidence.

        1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

          If this was Trump Jr's laptop the media and lefty-sphere reaction would be quite different, I assure you that.

          1. JasonAZ   3 years ago

            100% agreed. You'd be hearing about it non-stop, instead of suppression.

    3. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      We've told you before, dork, all-caps only serves to make you look even more deranged than usual. And man, you look severely deranged this morning, Pluggy.

    4. Dillinger   3 years ago

      you seem to be the only one who types it out loud though so ...

    5. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      IT'S JUST DICK PICS!

      *leans over to assistant*

      Did I say that right?

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  42. CFred   3 years ago

    TikTok, like all China based tech companies, is required to provide the Chinese government full access to their data upon request. That alone should be reason enough to ban ByteDance

    1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      Why? If someone is watching cat videos on Tik Tok, why is it a national security matter even if the Chinese government did know all about it?

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        No reason, no reason at all.

        1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          Diane/Paul has nothing relevant to say about Tik Tok so she/he jumps to a different topic.

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            You really are autistic, aren’t you?

  43. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    WSJ headline: Twitter Suspends Account That Tracked Elon Musk’s Private Jet

    Come on, Elon. Don't be such a dick.

  44. Muzzled Woodchipper   3 years ago

    But, for all we know, the user in question was a violent criminal and had a court order or a request from U.S. authorities to find their location.

    And yet she wonders why people question her libertarianism.

  45. Moderation4ever   3 years ago

    It seems to me that all social media is designed in some way to collect information on the user, so the fear of TikTok seems a bit irrational. For me the use of social media and internet app comes with an acceptance that I am giving away information. I accept that because it is part of the price of having the information and products I want. I don't see where having an app linked to the Chinese government is a greater threat to me that Amazon or CitiBank having my data.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Because you aren’t very bright?

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        You're entirely too kind to that abysmally stupid pile of lefty shit.

    2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

      Ans the Chinese government can buy that Amazon, Citibank, etc. user info from clearing houses just like anybody else.

  46. Old Smokin' Egg   3 years ago

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