'MyPlate,' the USDA's 'Food Pyramid' Replacement, Is Also a Dud
The federal government continues to be very bad at telling people what and how to eat.

A new government study reveals that 3 out of 4 Americans have no idea what the government's MyPlate dietary guide is. The study, Awareness of the MyPlate Plan: United States, 2017–March 2020, published last week by the Centers for Disease Control's National Center for Health Statistics, says that MyPlate, the much-ballyhooed successor to the USDA's Food Pyramid, is virtually unknown among the eating public.
"More than a decade after Agriculture Department officials ditched the pyramid, few Americans have heard of MyPlate, a dinner plate-shaped logo that emphasizes fruits and vegetables," the Associated Press reported last week.
The study authors surveyed more than 9,000 Americans over 16, asking them if they had heard of MyPlate and, if so, whether they had ever used it. Overwhelmingly, the study found they had not. According to the data, only one in four American adults has ever heard of MyPlate; fewer than one in eight Americans "had tried to follow" MyPlate's dietary recommendations—including, in the latter case, fewer than 1 in 25 men.
MyPlate, the study explains, is the federal government's "primary educational tool to communicate federal dietary guidance." It seeks "to improve food choices and diet quality by providing science-based nutrition education and advice." The guidance "promotes whole fruits, a variety of vegetables, whole grains, a variety of protein foods, and low-fat or fat-free dairy or fortified soy alternatives, with limited added sugars, saturated fat, and sodium."
After MyPlate's debut, Harvard researchers called it "a good move," expressing hope the switch from triangular pyramid to round plate would "nudge Americans away from meals dominated by meat and starch and towards meals made up mostly of plant-based foods."
Other MyPlate hype was less measured. It brings kids "joy"! The elderly love it!
Not exactly—and also not exactly surprising. In 2005, shortly after USDA modified its Food Pyramid, a California olive oil trade group conducted a survey similar to that released by the CDC last week. The purpose of the olive oil survey was "to gauge what consumers, nutritionists, and foodservice professionals knew about the new guidelines, and whether or not they intended to change dietary or exercise habits based on this new knowledge." Lo and behold, that survey found 3 out of 4 Americans "believe their understanding of what the revised Food Pyramid means is less than 'good'" (read: bad) and also found roughly 2 of 3 "respondents said they had made no changes in their diet in response to the guidelines."
Whether MyPlate or the Food Pyramid or any other federal intervention in Americans' dietary choices, the results have always been disastrous.
"Starting in the 1980s the federal government's urged people to shun fats and cholesterol and load up on carbs," A. Barton Hinkle wrote in Reason in 2016. "A 1990s food pyramid from the USDA placed bread, rice, and pasta at the base, suggesting a person eat six to 11 servings a day—but only two or three servings of meat or eggs and even less of fats."
Not by coincidence, many argue, the explosion of obesity in America soon followed.
Some former MyPlate fans have soured on the approach. Last week, for example, noted food-policy expert Marion Nestle—formerly a MyPlate supporter—called MyPlate "old hat" that "is so far from what Americans actually eat as to seem unattainable."
When it first debuted in 2011, the USDA and then-First Lady Michelle Obama touted MyPlate as "a reminder to help consumers make healthier food choices." It appears someone forgot to remind Americans to be reminded by that reminder.
"Not only does the government have no role to play in making decisions about what we should eat, but the government has proven to be an abominable decisionmaker when it comes to influencing dietary choices," I wrote in a 2012 column on the government's galling role in promoting certain foods and diets at the expense of others. "Individuals and families are much more capable of making such choices on their own."
Americans largely ignore the government's nutritional and dietary advice. And the federal government will no doubt largely ignore the results of its own research—meaning the failure that is MyPlate will likely continue apace until it's replaced by another highly touted but ultimately ignorable government dietary scheme.
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fewer than one in eight Americans "had tried to follow" MyPlate's dietary recommendations—including, in the latter case, fewer than 1 in 25 men
Men? LOL.
Overall, 1 in 8 people have tried to follow the MyPlate recommendations but the trends are befuddling. The overall number roughly correlates with the 1 in 8 people whom we interviewed while standing in the kitchen, the 1 in 8 people whom make sandwiches, the 1 in 8 people who are pregnancy capable, and the 1 in 8 people generally obsessed with their weight, all of whom report having tried the recommendations. Meanwhile, among people we interviewed while working in the garage, in the yard, on the roof, or who couldn't become pregnant, and weren't concerned for their weight, the number drops to 1 in 25.
Does that include the 1 in 100 people who know what a Cuban sandwich is?
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You can put a Cuban sandwich on My Plate anytime.
Why not in your mouth, racist.
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I invented the Cuban sandwich. Why do you keep telling lies. I see you've joined the mean girls of reason. You're close to getting muted.
Sarcasmic was actually one of the few people ever muted by Chumby and Ken, and because he's an attention whore, being ignored absolutely destroyed him.
That's why he thinks it's such a big deal when he threatens to mute others. He thinks it's some sort of horrific punishment.
I only mute the spammers here. As far as I’m concerned, it’s all fair game. If one wants to act like Mike and take his ball home, so be it. It’s a rough and tumble world so learn to take a joke and learn to take criticism.
I mute people that bring nothing to the table, so sarc, sqrl, and Chem Jeff. They repeat wapo talking points and deflect. Essentially the embodiment of the npc meme
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Though I do on occasion mute SQRLSY, just to clean up the threads so they’re readable.
Now he hounds Jesse obsessively. Although he’s branching out. Last week he threatened to beat me up.
That a total of 64.5 percent. Who are the rest? Preoccupation with sexual politics makes for some strange math.
You know who else had political preoccupations which didn’t add up?
Every Congresscritter since the U.S. started running a National Debt?
No win America believes anything the government tells them. That ship has left the port and is not coming back. Never forget.
meaning the failure that is MyPlate will likely continue apace until it's replaced by another highly touted but ultimately ignorable government dietary scheme
By 2030, MyPlate will have to be replaced by something that includes recommended daily intake of bugs. The recommendation will not be optional.
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What's the recommended ratio of grubs to crickets?
If you're eating grubs, you don't have to worry about those legs sticking between your teeth.
Before this story, I thought MyPlate was a social media site for musicians who still issue releases on vinyl. 😉
You've just absolutely got to love how these dishonest charlatans of Reason who are always going on and on and on about how "independent" they are (a couple of them even wrote a terrible fucking book about it a few years back) have absolutely nothing at all to say about senator Kristen Synema declaring her independence from the out of control far left democratic party.
And we all know damn well exactly why this is: because these fugazis are absolutely seething with rage about her decision, like ALL the far lefties of America are!
It's probably because she oustered their libertarian dreamboat Jeff Flake.
Seriously, between all the Jeff Flake, Kyrsten Sinema, and Justin Amash, it's clear the stance is "anyone whose independence hurts republicans, even if only nominally, or helps dems". Seriously, Sinema's got at least years of her term left and left the party, Amash left with 6 mos. left, announced his departure from the party at the same time that he wasn't running and we still got like a dozen articles on the historic first only Libertarian congressperson.
Need receipts?
Amash announces departure, 2 articles *the same day*:
reason.com/2019/07/04/justin-amash-declares-independence-from-republican-party/
reason.com/2019/07/04/trump-taunts-amash-as-a-dumb-loser-who-knew-he-couldnt-get-the-gop-nomination/
Agree 100% that ismf Synema had been a republican leaving the republican party, the fugazis would have been overcome with joy and would have seen a minimum of two articles lauding her by now.
Sullum would have written 30 articles
What is sad is that there are only three independent Senators now with Sinema. There should be much more diversity of opinion in the Senate without the independent-crushing gerrymandering of the House.
The GOP is lockstep conformist with no range of opinion at all – very typical of cultish behavior. If you stray off the GOP Plantation like Liz Cheney did you get banished from their club. At least Dems support their Blue Dog types like Manchin and Tester.
By the way Mikey are there any big new scandals like the one Durham investigated? You are the best source of fake scandals. The GOP is letting HUNTER BIDEN’S PENIS! flop around a bit.
"The GOP is letting HUNTER BIDEN’S PENIS! flop around a bit."
I heard that his stage name at ChippenDale's is "Willy Willy Whippin' Free"!
Weak effort. Go get more coffee and try again.
He's having an off day. They turned down his enrollment application at the Francis Parker school
He’s likely drained from serially raping another small child.
Absolutely lame there Buttplug. You’re just pissed that’s it’s not your penis there.
You wingnuts are guilty of bait and switch.
Everyone is fixated on Hunter's dirty pics which are in the media everywhere but now you're attempting to make it about corruption.
And you don't have the goods.
"The GOP is letting HUNTER BIDEN’S PENIS! flop around a bit."
Buttplug tries to pull off this bit of misdirection in every thread. He knows that the real laptop issue is the emails demonstrating pay to play, but he keeps on pretending that the actual issue is about a prurient interest in Hunter's sex life.
Prove it. You've had two years.
What you really intend to do is Swiftboat the Bidens.
The term swiftboating (also swift-boating or swift boating) is a pejorative American neologism used to describe an unfair or untrue political attack. The term is derived from the name of the organization "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" (SBVT, later the Swift Vets and POWs for Truth) because of their widely publicized—and later discredited—campaign against 2004 U.S. presidential candidate John Kerry.[1][2][3][4]
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Since the political smear campaign[2][5][6][7][8] that the group conducted against Kerry, the term has come into common use to refer to a harsh attack by a political opponent that is dishonest, personal, and unfair.[9][10] The Swift Boat Veterans and media pundits objected to this use of the term to define a smear campaign
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“Prove it. You’ve had two years.”
You can read the emails yourself, there’s a thousand different places holding them for fuck’s sake. They’ve even been entered into the congressional record.https://nypost.com/2022/03/29/gaetz-tries-to-get-hunter-biden-laptop-into-congressional-record/
Of course you already know all this, but you’re paid to misdirect and lie, so here we are.
Anyway, how many links do you want. I can post hundreds.
Here’s a story via the laptop emails, demonstrating that Hunter introduced his father, as Vice President, to a top executive at a Ukrainian energy firm less than a year before the elder Biden pressured government officials in Ukraine into firing a prosecutor who was investigating the executive and his company.
https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/
Again, I can go on forever here, but we both know that you actually know all this and are playing ignorant.
"What you really intend to do is Swiftboat the Bidens."
Nice attempt at more misdirection but we both know that the emails actually exist and they're damning.
In a lengthy investigation of dealings by Hunter Biden and James Biden, the nominee’s brother, Politico concluded that "Biden’s image as a straight-shooting man of the people ... is clouded by the careers of his son and brother, who have lengthy track records of making, or seeking, deals that cash in on his name."
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Regardless, there is no evidence that Joe Biden was orchestrating these activities, or benefiting from them.
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Schweizer told PolitiFact that he does not "allege anyone broke a law. But I don't know that the threshold for acceptable behavior for our elected leaders needs to be not committing criminal acts."
https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/19/fact-checking-claims-about-hunter-biden-joe-biden-/
Politifact?
From All Sides:
"PolitiFact is a fact check source with an AllSides Media Bias Rating™ of Lean Left.
"Fact checking sites display bias in what stories they choose to fact check, as well as how they interpret information. Often, fact check outlets will interpret information for the reader, drawing a conclusion rather than just giving the facts and allowing the reader to decide the meaning for themselves."
And that's the bias we know about.
But… POLITFACT!!!!!!!!!
Time and time again, PolitiFact has proven to be nothing more than a distribution center for Democratic Party talking points and narratives. You may as well be quoting Karine Jean-Pierre directly. What would you say if I quoted Brietbart as an impartial source? The fact that you resorted to posting Politruk (PolitiFact) shows how unserious you are.
But not just that. You’re peddling an article from way back 2020 that’s claims have been thoroughly debunked. In fact it’s those very lies which are part of the scandal. Who do you think you’re tricking?
You know who isn’t a political shill factory? The Times of London. This article came out today:
The secrets of Hunter Biden’s laptop spell trouble for Joe“When a trove of emails raised questions about the lucrative business dealings of the Biden family, America’s tech, media and intelligence elites stifled the story.”
Excerpt:“It is a truism of American politics that money swills around the top candidates to an alarming degree. And it is also true, and inevitable, that many candidates trust their family members above anyone else to deal with money and other perks that can come their way. Yet even by these standards, the Biden emails showed a family involved in far from normal influence-trading. For example, Hunter Biden had sat for years on the board of a Ukrainian energy company called Burisma. Why Hunter Biden sat on that board and was so well remunerated for it — around $50,000 a month — was hardly a secret. Hunter has no expertise in the energy sector, nor in anything much else. But proximity to the former vice-president — at the time possibly the next president — brought irresistible cash advantages. (As it did for Joe’s brother, James. He and Hunter signed a deal in 2017 with a Chinese energy conglomerate, CEFC, which paid $4.8 million over 14 months to entities controlled by the two Bidens.)
Hunter’s laptop included messages from Burisma executives going back to 2014, asking Hunter for “advice on how you could use your influence to convey a message”. Other emails described how a “provisional agreement” between Hunter and CEFC would include 10 per cent of equity held back by Hunter for “the big guy”. Who was “the big guy”? It was possible to guess. Elsewhere in the laptop, in January 2019, Hunter could be found sending an angry text to his daughter Naomi, scolding her for having no idea what demeaning things he said he had had to do to support his family. But, he told her: “Don’t worry, unlike pop, I won’t make you give me half your salary.” People had imagined that Hunter was using Joe. But no, it appeared that Joe was using his son to make money. If ever there were questions to be asked of a candidate here were some….”
But "old news" and "penises!"
That's the issue. This isn't being caught red handed. This is comic book levels of evidence, to the point that when it was released, people actively thought it was fake because this much transparently obvious evidence just doesn't happen. It's so far beyond reasonable doubt that it's insane.
Anyone who doubts Biden was receiving bribes is willfully ignorant.
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...In one case, on Aug. 31, 2020 — nearly a year and a half after the laptop left Biden’s possession — two blank email replies are created replying to an email from 2014. In another case, on Sept. 1, 2020, two draft emails were created and added to the email cache as a reply to an email from 2014. The next day, a variation of a Burisma email from 2016 is created and added to the cache.....
...Questions around the provenance and legitimacy of the emails led Facebook and Twitter to suppress links to the original stories about the emails. Subsequent reporting has confirmed that at least some of the material from the laptop is genuine.
John Paul Mac Isaac, the owner of a computer repair service who originally passed at least one Biden laptop to Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani, told a right wing news outlet in April 2022 that “there have been multiple attempts over the past year-and-a-half to insert questionable material into the laptop as in, not physically, but passing off this misinformation or disinformation as coming from the laptop,” according to The Washington Post.
https://www.cyberscoop.com/hunter-biden-emails-possible-tampering-trump-allies/
Wait a second, Buttplug. That’s not fair. Conservatives have been saying all along that the scandal is about Joe Biden’s being corrupt.
Oh look, White Mike is pretending it's all about sex too.
Did new talking-points get issued this week? No talking about pay to play, make it all about sex?
Mike is always attracted to anything that might finally lead to sex.
Must have. Dee is too stupid to think for herself. That bitch!
I do wonder about a hypothetical... Trump's daughter Ivanka turns her laptop in for repair (or someone gets their mitts on what is SUPPOSEDLY her laptop in the repair shop, as you wish), and there's DIRTY PICTURES ON IT, that (news of) get splashed all around the media! Oh, and the news is withheld, and THEN spread 2 weeks right before the 2024 elections and erections!
WHAT would the right-wing wrong-nuts say about THAT?!?! Who wants to bet on whether or not they would call this news "fair and balanced"?
Oh look, Shillsy is pretending it’s all about sex too.
No talking about pay to play and the emails, make it all about sex.
Stupid cunt! It is ALSO about HAVING YOUR PRIVACY AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN invaded when you drop off your laptop for repair! And LIES being told about you! I'm not all-knowing (like YOU, Perfect Bitch), so I don't know what the mix is here (lies v/s "mere" invasion of privacy). AND there's a HUGE stink surrounding ALL about this laptop, and it is NOT all to be fairly blamed on "Team D"!!! Read and heed, hyper-partisan bitch! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy
Stupid cunt, he abandoned that laptop for more than a year and never paid for the repair, and you know that.
Quit repeating your DNC masters lies, you tribal shill.
Whatever the right-wing wrong-nuts say is by definition always true, and anyone who says different things, is a liar! Gotcha!
Have you ever heard that paranoia will destroy-ya?
Government censorship shill.
It’s all DNC propaganda and talk about eating shit for SQRLSY.
There are laws out there that require computer techs to report suspicious material to the police. Seriously. Best Buy's Geek Squad are mandatory reporters.
Some questions about your hypothetical:
1. Has she abandoned the laptop making it the property of the repair shop?
2. Has the sole media outlet that published the story of her laptop verified that the laptop is legitimate?
3. Has the rest of the media taken their talking points from America's intel community and decided that it is a nothing burger?
4. Have the social media companies squashed the story, for years, so that anybody who mentions it gets the ban hammer?
If you could clarify these questions it would help me to give you a fair reading.
Then, there's the final and most important question. Did the computer contain hard evidence of any crimes? If it was just dirty pictures and gossip fodder, I would feel completely differently. However, this contains hard evidence of bribery of the vice president and now president of the United States. Additionally, as the data had already been sent to the FBI, but they had done nothing, the only way to get this to people of importance was the media.
JFC, I’ve got him on mute and with one word I know what he said. If it wasn’t Tony begging after Trump’s dick it’s SPB2 begging after Hunter’s. It’s beginning to look like it was a bad idea to give women *and* homosexuals the right to vote. If only because closeted people support free speech primarily to avoid being outed.
I'm just looking forward to the glorious day that the Brownstone Institute puts you guys out of business.
God damnit. You just caused ENB to start formulating another tweet regarding true libertarians like her.
Posting an observation of jeff the last few days in his defense of censorship.
Jeff is back to if you're against child porn you're pro censorship. Ignore it is distribution of a crime with a victim. He can't understand allowing someone to advocate for child porn is one thing while pushing child porn is another.
My guess his issue with Musk is going after child porn more than anything.
Done reading Twitter files 3. The most interesting tweets are 40 through 43 which show a clear ideological bias based on who was making the post.
Twitter allowed democrat claims of the gop trying to steal the election through the courts with Holder even stating trump was deliberately harming the USPS to stop mail in votes.
The disparate application of rules is clear.
Let's see how jeff and Mike rationalize it to protect their team.
Because shut up that's why
Anything Trump or Republicans do is a threat to democracy. Anything Democrats do is to save democracy.
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"Starting in the 1980s the federal government's urged people to ... load up on carbs," A. Barton Hinkle wrote in Reason in 2016. "A 1990s food pyramid from the USDA placed bread, rice, and pasta at the base, suggesting a person eat six to 11 servings a day—but only two or three servings of meat or eggs and even less of fats."
Leaving the American population not just obese, but with insane levels of diabetes.
The Federal government needs to be stripped back to its core as laid out in Art. 1, Sec. 8 of the Constitution - national defense from armed foreign invasion, overseeing international interests of the nation, and setting up a few housekeeping items to allow the country to function smoothly. Telling people what to eat is NOT part of this, nor should it be given the long history of getting things wrong.
I don't think fedgov, or even the governments of any othr nation, can rightly be blamed for any of this. These are societal trends that would've taken place in the absence of any government acknowledgement, that the most government did was ride along with.
Not blame them?
They issued "official" recommendations. If these contradicted what their health science experts (correctly) said, then the officials should be hung. If the "experts" were clueless, but officials still felt justified, then they both should be hung.
I don't think officials get to use the "just following orders (trends)" excuse.
No, but they get to use the excuse, “My job is useless, nobody pays attention to what I do anyway.” Well, nobody but you, apparently. It’s like trolling, they succeeded at hooking you.
The article says they even have studies about who's paying attention to them, which means nobody is or they wouldn't study it.
Personally, my food choices were influenced to some extent for a period of about 20 years when I tended to run heavy on the carbs. Getting away from that, to a more meat based diet has improved my health.
I know that n=1 for what I'm reporting, but I know what I learned by trial and error as opposed to what I was learned by listening to "trusted sources" (back when I was a bit more naive).
I don’t think fedgov, or even the governments of any othr nation, can rightly be blamed for any of this.
I would agree with “solely” or “directly” rather than “rightly” but ‘rightly’ is incorrect in that if I hire a hit man, give him a gun and a target, buy him a plane ticket, and arrange a cab for him to get to his target, I can rightly be blamed for the resulting death even if I wasn’t solely responsible. Admittedly, it’s a literal impossible task to say any one person or group is responsible for every death of heart disease in the last 30, 50, or even 70 yrs., but we aren’t convicting anyone, just nominally stripping them of their advisory authority *and obligation*, which they’ve gotten wrong for quite some time. Authority and obligation they falsely assumed in the first place.
And GroundTruth, inadvertently, ellipses away a crucial detail that Hinkle skirts over. The Government sponsored war on “fats and cholesterol”, which is synonymous with animal fats (being the only natural source of cholesterol), dates back to at least the 50s, if not the 20s and 30s when the government started both meddling in grain markets and funding research now known to be incorrectly biased against animal fats.
At the very least, the USDA issuing the food pyramid guidelines should be obviously and inextricably intertwined with the National School Lunch Program, which Truman signed into law in ’46. They’ve been making definitive and definitively wrong statements, without official amendment, retraction, or specific redirection for well over 50 yrs., well before they published the food pyramid.
Question: do people who look to government for direction on diet (and anything else) deserve the shit they get?
So what? They shouldn't be doing schooling anyway. You're going to seize on what they serve for lunch, rather than that they're in business at all?
I have to correct you, plants also produce cholesterol. Cholesterol is necessary for many hormones and vit D production that plants also rely on. Phytoestrogen is cholesterol based. The lie is that dietary cholesterol impacts serum cholesterol, which is not really the case. Your body produces cholesterol. So when your body takes in less cholesterol your body produces more. Most people with high serum cholesterol generally don't recycle unused cholesterol as well, usually due to decreased or defective LDL, so their bodies continue to produce and release more cholesterol, which is vital for hormonal production and Vitamin D production. Cholesterol is produced from fats, and not just saturated fats, in fact, high carbohydrate based diets tend to produce more fat than high protein diets.
The food pyramid and my plate actually is exactly the opposite of what we should be eating. If you look at our digestive tract, simple stomach, highly acidic (pH around 1.0) digestive fluids, relatively short small and large intestine, almost no cecum, thick large intestine with little absorptive ability, it's far closer to the digestive tract of predominantly carnivores such as felines and canines. We don't practice cecotrophy. Our digestive passage time is really quick compared to herbivorous animals. Our teeth are not well designed for grinding, are fairly sharp, have thinner enamel (herbivores have thicker enamel to deal with the grit and fiber of their diets). Additionally, there are no true herbivorous great apes, although we are the most carnivorous (though anthropologists have noticed that chimpanzees are increasing the meat consumption over the past couple of decades, from less than 5% to over 10% in some populations). Additionally, I would point out that biologically speaking, the concept of herbivore, omnivore and carnivore is just short hand and very few species actually practice strict herbivorous or carnivorous diets in the wild.
I have to correct you, plants also produce cholesterol. Cholesterol is necessary for many hormones and vit D production that plants also rely on. Phytoestrogen is cholesterol based.
Fair call on the "*only* natural source", the notion of 'synonymous with animal fats' still stands. To the point that virtually all animals, and some fungi produce lanosterol as a direct and requisite precursor to cholesterol, whereas plants produce cycloartenol as a precursor to sterols to the overwhelming exclusion of cholesterol. There are exceptions both ways, but the exclusiveness is as distinct, profound, and far reaching as almost any in biology.
You could add ergocalciferol, phytoestrogen, betakaroten, etc. As sources of vitamins and minerals, plants are actually not that effective, because they require conversion for us to utilize (largely because we only rely on microbials for very minimal amounts of nutrients, unlike herbivorous animals, who all utilize microbes to convert plant based nutrients to forms they can utilize). Also, evolutionarily speaking, animals and fungi are more closely related to each other than to either are to plants.
Which goes to both our points, I think. The idea that plant based diets are healthier is largely unsupported by science but is the result of lobbying by those who push plant consumption either for ethical or monetary reasons. And human nutritional science is largely based on correlative studies, unlike animal nutrition, where we can conduct true causative research. The next time an ethics board approves a kill study utilizing human test subjects will be the first.
Dietary cholesterol can affect serum cholesterol if it's a seriously unnatural amount of cholesterol intake, as when rodents are given such a diet experimentally to produce atherosclerosis. However, in non-experimental diets, cholesterol supply is closely linked to saturated fat intake, which does impact serum cholesterol, although its link to atherosclerosis is dependent on the cholesterol's becoming oxidized.
Dietary cholesterol can affect serum cholesterol if it’s a seriously unnatural amount of cholesterol intake, as when rodents are given such a diet experimentally to produce atherosclerosis.
Unclear. The major repository for cholesterol and bile acids in humans is the gall bladder. I’m not the veterenarian here but my understanding is that rodents, generally consuming less (animal) fatty foods, lack a gall bladder. Additionally, rats don’t vomit.
Actually, the link to saturated fatty acids is widely discredited in nutritional science but remains a mainstay of medical science despite the plethora of evidence to the contrary.
Further, diets high in animal fats, especially saturated fats have been shown to better control weight and reduce obesity, both of which are strongly correlated to serum cholesterol.
Additionally, rodentia have very different digestive tracts than humans, which makes utilizing them as a model for humans problematic at best. Dogs, swine and ursine are far more similar, as are great apes, but research utilizing them as models is far more difficult to get approved.
Sodium is another one that the science says is far less harmful than medical common knowledge will have you believe. In fact, there is growing evidence that restricted salt diets may actually be worse for cardiac patients than high salt diets, except for those with renal insufficiency.
Rodents have been used as a model for atherosclerosis specifically because it's easy to produce it in them via a butter-and-egg diet. It's the usual tradeoff between fidelity and sensitivity of models.
It's easy to produce it in rodents, which is another reason to question the findings. If they already have a propensity to develop atherosclerosis than using them as a model biases your results. That's basic research ethics. I learned it in my freshman year of undergrad.
It’s easy to produce it in rodents
This is pretty much the quintessence of the rodent model. It's a wash out gate. Rodents are cheap and, especially if you're looking for genetic markers, can be had in wide variety and bred quickly. They are a washout gate, a 'rule out' trial not a 'rule in'. If your therapy kills a lot of them, stop, if it doesn't kill a lot of them, you *might* have something that's effective but, at least not overtly toxic. Feeding them doses until they die is good if you're looking for toxic effect but, if you're looking for a therapeutic effect, it's abusing the model.
I like your mentions of bears, and pigs, which are true omnivores (not counting pandas and polar bears, which aren't, but dogs are somewhat.) Someone mentioned cats, which are a bad model because they're obligate carnivores and their digestive tract reflects that.
Again, another personal study with n=1:
Taking a minimal statin dose lowers my cholesterol deep into a range that makes my physician smile, all while I eat just about anything I want (read: heavy on the meat and dairy). Alternatively, with no statin, my cholesterol becomes a topic of conversation regardless of how "dry" (low fat) my diet is, even to the point of constant hunger.
So yes, perhaps dietary cholesterol can effect serum cholesterol to some extent, but "it ain't necessarily so".
I wonder if there are any studies that look at serum cholesterol and how it relates to supplemental vitamin D intake. Given most milk is "fortified" with vit D it seems an easy study of those who do or don't drink milk.
Actually there have been, and there does appear to be a correlation between dietary vitamin D and serum cholesterol, where increased vitamin D decreases serum cholesterol.
The bizarre part is that number of servings.
I’ve never understood this. What, a single mouthful is a serving?
You buy anything, it lists number of servings in the package. I just checked a “party size” bag of potato chips — 13 servings. Is the FDA seriously suggesting I should eat the equivalent of half a big bag of potato chips every day just for that one category? What about other categories?
No matter who publishes it, I will not read, let alone follow, dietary "recommendations" that are revised every five years.
(Particularly from an entity that doesn't know men from women)
See, this is why governments can't be blamed for this sort of thing: Nobody listens anyway.
They can and should be blamed for issuing bad guidelines without authority whether anyone listens or not. Taxation is theft, just because you use the money to dig a hole and fill it in than doing something demonstrably useful or harmful for it doesn't make it right.
But it doesn't make it any more wrong either, does it? So it's a wash.
No theft is still theft. Stop doing shit, especially useless shit, and give back the money. Fuck you.
But it's not any worse theft, so it's a wash. If you wanted to complain about the theft, do so, but don't conflate it with issues about the product of the spending, which is what you were on about above.
But it’s not any worse theft, so it’s a wash.
No, theft aside, if it's *your* money, you get to make that call. If it's my or anyone else's money, they are free to link the taking and the outcome, value-wise and cause-wise, as they see fit. If you think the government should be publishing guidance even if nobody follows it, you may not consider the tax a theft. That's how this whole liberty/democracy thing is supposed to work.
For an entity that proclaims to be against misinformation, it certainly spreads a disproportionate amount of it whether it's intentional or not. In short, yeah, they can be blamed. Doubly so when you consider why "nobody listens anyway" - it's because they reverse course so frequently. These are the same people who said we should avoid butter and eat margarine before they said don't eat margarine, eat butter instead. They've lost any credibility they ever had through their own asinine and contradictory guidance. They can't even use the excuse that it was the science of the day because it wasn't real science, it was knee jerk reactions based on the flimsiest of correlations.
From the people who recommend vaccinating your 5 year old from Covid.
Every two months.
And from HPV.
https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1601585815880015872?t=fa_V8_uzUsCsp_3G_xZTcw&s=19
Douglass Mackey, aka Ricky Vaughn, was prosecuted for election interference because he made a joke on Twitter that hurt the left
Same Twitter staff who banned Mackey actually colluded to interfere with an election but they did it to help the left so they'll never see a charge
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Hey, if we don't prosecute people for speech crime, our "democracy" will crumble.
Democracy can't survive unless we silence any opposition to one particular side.
Attempting a technologic, knowledge-based fix for problems of human nature. Like trying to make TV programs better by altering the technical standards for transmission.
Ceasing engagement in stupid stuff that doesn't work is an intrinsic facet of knowledge-based fixes regardless of human nature and the technical standards for TV transmissions.
https://twitter.com/SameeraKhan/status/1601530787714977792?t=cObI1SRaOJP2k7KO4Ll0hQ&s=19
BlueAnon right here indirectly accusing Qatar of having rainbow journalist murdered
[Link]
Their emotions worked so well for the Ukraine war escalation, why not another country.
Should send the "puppy play" officers over there to show em who's boss
Rampant luggage theft would cut down on the number of refugees.
Only if the thieves dress "appropriately".
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1601001743218778113?t=s9Gztrx_Nu1gEenABQxz3g&s=19
Perspective: As fans keep up with Argentina’s success in this year’s World Cup, a familiar question arises: Why doesn’t the team have more Black players? Argentina is far more diverse than many realize — but the myth that it’s a White nation has persisted.
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https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/1601588551216689152?t=osKxkp7xyGRg5MEXi1Zr0Q&s=19
If you read your own article, you'd know.
"In 2010, Argentina’s government released a census that noted 149,493 people, which amounts to 1 percent of the country, was Black. For many, that data seemed to confirm that Argentina was indeed a White nation."
The Argentines weren't kind to the native population either having slaughtered a good deal of them and not by smallpox blankets.
https://rumble.com/v1zvd5y-wef-wants-to-slaughter-millions-of-pet-cats-and-dogs-to-fight-climate-chang.html
Do you have a non-wingnut link to that?
Fuck off, pedo moonbat.
From the guy that posted a three year old PolitiFact article as a reliable, impartial source.
You’re just a deviant pedophile predator. No one gives a fuck what you want or think.
Kill yourself.
Good news, you don't need a time machine to strangle Schwab in his crib. You only need a rope, a crib and a tickets to Switzerland.
As a progressive shill, I will only take dietary advice from Gwynnie Paltrow.
Sounds legit.
I believe that you actually do.
So anything allowed in the $75-an issue pages of Goop? 😉
Yup. Whatever Gwynnie says I should put in my mouth. And whatever Gwynnie says I should shoot up into the other end!
That opens up so many things, I don’t know where to start. So if Gwynnie asks you to eat Mike’s dick, that could be a pretty funny sight as you’d eat your own.
Would this include the Pepper Potts Diet consisting of Tony Stark/Iron Man? 🙂
No, of course not. Don’t be silly. Those are fictional characters.
As a progressive shill, I will only take dietary advice from Gwynnie Paltrow.
Great. Light a vag dinner candle and enjoy your meal.
Shadowbanned scientist, Stanford's Professor of Medicine Dr. Jay Bhattacharya: Twitter Harmed Science By Banning Debate on COVID, Censorship Led To Tremendously Bad Policies
Despite the fact that Twitter was taking orders on Covid directly from government agencies, some Reasonistas like Robby supported these bans.
Also, the next time Chemjeff, Buttplug, Sqrlsy and White Mike try to pretend opposition to censorship is just conservatives being salty about "muh private company" not wanting them there, remind them of this.
I wasn’t aware that policy makers consulted Twitter before establishing protocol in the past.
Think of Twitter as a media company like Fox News. Fox News spreads lies and no one is demanding their breakup or regulation for oppo inclusion.
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but no – could not get past their banhammer.
So you're just going to pretend that the government agencies directly requesting Twitter censor and ban people and speech isn't an issue?
Look at what Buttplug is doing folks, he's pretending that the problem is really just what Twitter was doing, and not what the FBI, CDC, CIA, Biden Administration, etc. were doing.
This is the level of sophistry and misdirection a five-year-old might attempt, but Buttplug is hoping that he'll get fifty-cents for it.
Right. I don’t care.
The Wall Street Journal is a great news source. It has long been known that the editorial page is Republican and the party and elected officials collude with its columnists.
Didn’t ‘Citizens United’ decide all this? A political campaign run by a private corporation may not be restricted by the government. Therefore Twitter, if it decides to conduct a political campaign cannot be so restricted.
Unseemly? Sure it is. What do you want? More regulation?
You're misdirecting again, you piece of shit.
If the Republican Party was telling the Wall Street Journal to ban and censor it's users you might have had a point, but they didn't.
If the Republican Party (and Democratic Party for that matter) were government agencies like the Biden administration, FBI, CIA, FDA, CDC, etc. you might also have had a point, but they aren't.
You can't help but lie about what occurred because the second you acknowledge what actually was happening, you'll be exposed for what you truly are.
The WSJ refused to publish my guest editorial submission in 2009.
They deprived me of my First Amendment right to free speech then. You settled it.
If the Republican Party was telling the Wall Street Journal to ban and censor it’s users you might have had a point, but they didn’t.
Republicans wanted to silence our opinions at the time. (on how to deal with the Great Collapse)
That’s probably because you’re an idiotic piece of shit, not because a government agency requested it.
You just can’t stop misdirecting and trying to pretend that the real issue isn’t first amendment violations by government agencies.
Remember turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
It’s different! Because you have to pay for a subscription to the Wall Street Journal but Twitter accounts are free — umm, therefore Twitter is common property!!!
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Again, look at our resident Democratic Party shills trying to pretend it's actually about Twitter and not the administration and government agencies requesting first amendment violations.
They know what the actual issue is, but they're still trying to push a narrative that the problem lies with Twitter and not the DHS, White House, CIA, FBI, etc.
Can you imagine, frauds purporting to be libertarian, trying to misdirect from government censorship on an ostensibly libertarian website.
They are almost certainly lying partisan minions. But I wonder how much their leftist true belief blinds them to even recognizing the inherent evil in government control of information.
Yay, me!
It’s different because the government was literally telling them to kill stories from scientist who were going against the Bureaucracy.
Another weak effort. Coffee maker broken today?
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Twitterfiles Part 3: Twitter Regularly Interacted With FBI/DHS To Restrict PRE-ELECTION Tweets
“During this time, executives were also clearly liaising with federal enforcement and intelligence agencies about moderation of election-related content… [W]e didn’t see one reference to moderation requests from the Trump campaign, the Trump White House, or Republicans generally.”
Sqrlsy in particular here would troll everyone who criticized the censorship, screaming about 230 and "muh private company" despite knowing full well that government agencies were involved.
But he's not the only one pushing censorship here; Chemjeff has been trying to mischaracterize sexual assault on children as an aspect of "free speech" which, to paraphrase, "justifies the need for at least some censorship".
You have to look at this from the perspective of the self-appointed ideological elite. They just know they are right, and that the rabble (and the narrative) must be protected from bad thoughts.
Sam Brinton Strikes Again: Transgender Biden Official Faces Second Felony Charge for Theft
Thank goodness Biden is bringing back sanity and respect to government.
But it didn't happen, Sam is a victim, and you are a raging homophobic.
Even with Sam’s selfie of doing the theft, it still didn’t happen and we’re all transphobes.
When even fans so rabidly pro-LGBTQ as to identify as 'lgbtqnation' have started saying "Hey, wait a minute...", you've lost the narrative.
Has Sam Brinton’s story always been too good to be true?
Was Brinton’s story contrived or embellished to manipulate high-profile leaders and elevate themself into the upper echelons of LGBTQ+ activism? https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/12/sam-brintons-story-always-good-true/
Turns out his own telling of his anti-homosexual upbringing is very... Coakley-esque. Surprise!
A false-fag operation?
Your tone deaf Christian Nationalism needs some Coackley-ar implants.
"The federal government continues to be very bad at telling people what and how to eat."
The federal government continues to be very bad at just about everything.
FIFY
"Americans largely ignore the government's nutritional and dietary advice. "
Americans largely fail to eat sensibly by any means. This is why so many are fat.
"Starting in the 1980s the federal government's urged people to shun fats and cholesterol and load up on carbs," A. Barton Hinkle wrote in Reason in 2016.
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https://twitter.com/_BarringtonII/status/1601621124194136064?t=ENKRbrqZhKL59vImShHkTA&s=19
It is said that America was founded and created through “revolution.” Yet, it is hard to believe this when you see how it’s present day people behave towards an outward but soft tyrannous government, which makes me question this “history” to begin with.
https://twitter.com/kdollsweety/status/1601625074427383809?t=3UTCkVmxXhiVryj_aBC2Ww&s=19
ABC,CNN,NBC, and CBS have a combined 0 minutes of reporting on the Twitter files.
Why would anyone go to those outlets for news when you can come to Twitter and receive all the news without any suppression or political slant?
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Not that it matters, but when I sit to a well-balanced meal with my dietitian wife, I've been known to look down and say "Ah. My plate dot gov."
The federal government continues to be very bad at
telling people what and how to eat.[fill in the blank here]There ya go.
"Centers for Disease Control's National Center for Health Statistics"
Does anyone care what the CDC says at this point?
Every fascist.
Why in the world do people keep pushing fruit? It's full of sugar.
They read on twitter that apple was a good investment?
The guidance "promotes whole fruits, a variety of vegetables, whole grains, a variety of protein foods, and low-fat or fat-free dairy or fortified soy alternatives, with limited added sugars, saturated fat, and sodium."
Fruits are full of carbs
vegetables, some lots of carbs, some not do much
grains have lots of carbs
protein foods have few carbs, so eats less of these (?)
"low-fat or fat-free dairy or fortified soy alternatives" is another way of saying "processed foods"; not so "good".
Oh hell yeah, these guys have it all figured out.
Fire the lot and pay the interest on the debt for several seconds.
You don't think there's a difference between two sugar cubes and an orange?
To paraphrase:
"It's the carbohydrates stupid!"
I keep waiting from new and improved dietary guidelines from the USDA, or anyone else, but all I hear is crickets.
The federal government continues to be very bad at telling people what and how to eat.
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Myplate is an improvement _because_ almost no one has heard of it. Misleading propaganda that doesn't reach you is less bad than misleading propaganda that was hammered into every child in elementary school - so much that although it's been 60 years or more, I still clearly remember the food pyramid based on grains and potatoes.
Where does this assertion keep coming from: ""Starting in the 1980s the federal government's urged people to shun fats and cholesterol and load up on carbs,". NO. I clearly remember a carb-heavy food pyramid in the 1950's taught regularly in schools, with the same graphics in all three states where I went to elementary school. As far as I know, this didn't start when I entered Kindergarten, but dated back to the 1940's. Then the feds pushed maximum carbs and minimum meats to reduce the load WWII put on our agriculture - but AFAIK, nothing changed after the war but prettier graphics.
In the 1980's, the federal government _continued_ to push a carb-heavy food pyramid, possibly with slight changes from the 1950's one I remember. Maybe there were a little less carbs, and maybe they introduced a distinction between saturated and unsaturated fats that in effect recommended trans fats above natural meat fats.
Would have been nice if you'd thrown in an image of what a My Plate poster/psa looks like
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