Twitter Is More Like a Traveling Circus Than a Public Square
It's a private company. Its owner can do what he chooses, even if it seems crazy.

Until fairly recently—namely around the time that the world's richest man, Elon Musk, bought Twitter—conservatives have been hyperventilating about the threat that social media posed to "free speech." Republicans proposed various big-government solutions to the problem, including having the feds commandeer these private companies and turn them into public utilities.
This led to proposed federal and state laws that ranged from mandating what these platforms must publish to micromanaging the details of their business relationships (e.g., forcing Apple to open its app stores to all comers). Big Tech foes' motivation wasn't principle, but pique. They were upset at content-moderation policies that they said discriminate against conservatives.
"We're trying to end the influence of Big Tech on American society as we know it, because…the Big Tech companies are enemies of the people," said the Heritage Foundation's President Kevin Roberts. "We want to always perpetuate free-market principles, but subsumed by this really important role, and that is our ability to operate in the public square using our natural rights."
The idea of perpetuating free-market principles by advocating the use of government to undermine "enemies" is an odd position for the president of a conservative think tank. It reminds me of when George W. Bush defended $8.5 trillion in economic bailouts by saying, "I've abandoned free-market principles to save the free-market system." They're not really principles if you abandon them at the first sight of discomfort.
The Right defends its assault on the First Amendment ("Congress shall make no law…") by depicting social-media firms as monopolies, even though anyone (even Donald Trump) is capable of starting a competitor. It's hard to start a successful one, though. But now Republicans have grown quieter after Musk overpaid for Twitter and seems to have set himself up as the app's main content moderator—a rather lowly job, if one thinks about it.
Sen. Ted Cruz (R–Texas) famously declared that Musk's $44-billion purchase is "one of the most significant developments for free speech in modern times." Certainly, and I can assure you of something else I learned this week on Twitter: the creation of the erasable whiteboard is one of the greatest technological developments of the century.
To his credit, Musk has allowed Trump and the not-very-funny humor site, The Babylon Bee, back on the platform. However, he's smart enough not to return tweeting privileges to Info Wars' Alex Jones. Now leftists are expressing rage—and are proving that misunderstanding the First Amendment and free markets remain a bipartisan affair. (Google "Elon Musk is a threat to democracy" and you'll quickly see what I'm talking about.)
"Musk's recent actions and statements following his acquisition of Twitter raise serious red flags about the potential for harassment, intimidation, and disinformation that targets vulnerable communities and undermines our democracy," harrumphed the left-leaning Common Cause. The Right wanted to control Twitter because it thought its content-moderation policies were too extreme—and the Left believes they now won't be extreme enough.
I use Twitter, but recognize that it isn't a public utility and its operation has nothing to do with anyone's constitutional speech rights. Its moderation decisions, however dubious, do not involve government control of what you can say. It's a private company and you don't have to use it. You can find a nearly limitless number of alternatives for speaking your mind, such as starting a Substack newsletter no one reads or writing a letter to the editor.
The Twitter fixation reminds me that many people don't have enough to do in their lives, given the attention they pay to the latest inane tweets—and their intense focus on everything that Musk says on or does with the platform. Musk's biggest right-leaning supporters will end up disappointed as he stumbles his way through the process. Only a fool would believe that a mercurial billionaire will protect anyone's rights or uplift humanity.
It's certainly been a wild ride in recent weeks, as Musk has bickered with tweeters, announced new policies that sound oddly similar to old policies (e.g., shadow-banning), laid off employees, gave the remaining employees ultimatums (which led to more departures) and sparked questions about whether the company will even survive.
The blue checkmark fiasco—whereby Twitter sells verified status—backfired spectacularly. Now, it's even more difficult to tell real users from parody accounts. Instead of serving as a public square, Twitter functions like a clown show. Sadly, an entrepreneur who built groundbreaking electric-vehicle and space companies is wasting time on nonsense rather than sending people to Mars.
One need only follow the childish tit-for-tat between Musk and former Clinton Labor Secretary Robert Reich to understand why this Twitter takeover is a tempest in a teapot, but expect sky-is-falling chat about democracy and free speech to continue. Again, it's a private company. Its owner can do what he chooses. And you're free to get a life.
This column was first published in The Orange County Register.
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The Twitter fixation reminds me that many people don't have enough to do in their lives, given the attention they pay to the latest inane tweets
Sick burn on ENB, dude!
But I am curious as to why this column wasn't published back when Jack Dorsey was ring-mastering this clown show. Is Twitter only now being worth scoffing at now that Elon Musk has bought it?
almost nothing has actually changed about Twitter fundamentally. The only difference is the lefties losing their shit about Musk. Otherwise, its all the same noise.
An argument that "Twitter has cooties now" would have more weight (and match the maturity / intellectual heft of those making it) than the "Twitter is all of a sudden a circus".
An argument that “Twitter has cooties now” would have more weight (and match the maturity / intellectual heft of those making it) than the “Twitter is all of a sudden a circus”.
Twitter, since inception and continuing currently, has been a public men's room wall. It could be a public square or lecture hall or boardroom, or an event stage, but then it would be liable for ejecting any/all the undesireables and potentially liable for any/all best-laid-plans concocted under their roof/on their platform the way Trump is liable for any/all actions that took place over a mile a way from where he was speaking.
Twitter Is More Like a Traveling Circus Than a Public Square
^Imagine being so blissfully ignorant of all the circuses shut down and sued into oblivion for attracting people to untrained lion tamers and carnies ill-equipped to operate the machinery that the circus put them in charge of and profited from.
Sure, Action Park killed six people and facilitated hundreds, if not thousands, of injuries but it’s carnies like Alex Jones who’s rides are *just* too scary for some people that are really doing harm to the tune of billions of dollars.
Quite the different "muh private company" article from the past ones. Now Twitter is a circus, as if it wasn't before. Greenhut you fucking hack, I can see your liberal tears falling, HAHAHAHAHAHA
I love that Elon is stating he will provide proof of Twitter interfering in elections...and Reason is not remotely applauding that.
Because they supported it at the time.
I’m looking forward to the Reason staff looking like the top assholes that they are.
Of course not. Most of them reluctantly voted for Biden.
https://reason.com/2020/10/12/how-will-reason-staffers-vote-in-2020/
ERIC BOEHM, Reporter
Who do you plan to vote for this year? I am currently not registered to vote in Virginia, where I live. If I change that before the election, I will vote for Jo Jorgensen—unless I believe there is a chance that Joe Biden will somehow fail to win Virginia, in which case I will vote strategically and reluctantly for Biden.
C.J. CIARAMELLA, Criminal Justice Reporter
Who do you plan to vote for this year? Joe Biden.
SHIKHA DALMIA, Senior Analyst
Who do you plan to vote for this year? I will cast my ballot for Joe Biden in Michigan, a swing state, because there is no bigger libertarian cause right now than to prevent Donald J. Trump from getting re-elected.
MIKE RIGGS, Deputy Managing Editor,
Who do you plan to vote for this year? While I would like to see a President Jo Jorgensen, I will settle for not having to live another four years under President Donald Trump. I will cast my first ever vote for president for Joe Biden in the battleground state of Pennsylvania.
STEPHANIE SLADE, Managing Editor
Who do you plan to vote for this year? I am a true undecided: I've been vacillating between sitting out this election, as I did in 2016, or voting for Joe Biden.
ZACH WEISSMUELLER, Senior Producer
Who do you plan to vote for this year? It makes me a little queasy, but I'll be voting for Joe Biden...
Other than Biden, they either voted for the Libertarian candidate or did not vote. No record on Greenhut's vote there.
I will never understand why anyone would vote for Biden, a butt kissing tool of the establishment, over Trump who disrupted the establishment in ways no one anticipated.
Biden openly proclaimed that he would be the most progressive president since FDR. What more do you need to hear? Biden got the vote of something close to 95% of all government employees, you know, the same government that Greenhut complains about.
Trump could never pose the problems to liberty that Biden could simply because the bureaucrats were flatly refusing to do what he asked. They concocted wild stories about collusion which ultimately were unproven, some of which were proven to be absolute lies.
On the other hand, these same bureaucrats can't act quickly enough to serve Biden's insanely progressive agenda. His staff was chosen for a combination of incompetence and immutable characteristics consistent with Woke mythology.
Trump was by no means a good president, but compared to Biden or Obama, Trump looks like an anarchist.
Reason writers vote on neither principle nor practicality. They vote on peer pressure, their "peers" being leftist journalists.
That argument may have flown prior to Trump's engaging on a campaign to tell a big lie about "stolen elections" and undermine American democracy. That was when he went down and unexcusable path.
And before anyone says it, this is not in any way a defense of Biden, and I did not vote for Trump or Biden.
That argument may have flown prior to Trump’s engaging on a campaign to tell a big lie about “stolen elections” and undermine American democracy. That was when he went down and unexcusable path.
Leftists have told lies about stolen elections and undermined American democracy for decades. But only when a non-leftist copied their practice did Laursen and the left generally decide it is inexcusable. Until that moment it was just part of politics.
They make the same distinction with political protests. Riots were an unfortunate and unavoidable side effect of no particular import when the left engaged in it for years. One day on the other side and it became the most important event in American history, according to the left at least.
Of course. #1/6WasWorseThan9/11
“….tell a big lie….”
There’s just something about the lockstep use of the phrasing “the big lie” that seems a little off. Especially regarding something more accurately characterized as an “opinion”.
That Biden was legitimately elected is ‘the big lie’. But I get it, you never give up the con. No matter what.
Let's see him actually provide the proof.
A few days ago he was going on and on about how Apple was going to kick Twitter off the app store. He never provided any details and he has already walked back the claim.
You’ve dp got the proof now, you democrat shill. Now what?
Not different from Reason writers' previous stances on "muh private company". Twitter IS a circus right now.
Cite?
LOL, it's not a circus any more than it was before. In fact, it's operating pretty much like it always has, except the Antifa child porn accounts are getting shut down and bot accounts are getting nuked.
The wise commentariat said Twitter was an arm of the Democrat party and that they had been forced at gunpoint to do the Party's bidding.
This makes no sense at all.
What planet do you live on?
The one where conservatives became a cult of personality just like the leftists they hate.
So sarc is bringing in trump again, per ususal, even though it's off topic.
The point is, Musk has pushed back against the government bullying, vs the prior management of twit-witter, who went along and thanked the gov't for whipping them.
He has nothing else in his life, except for what little booze he can afford with his welfare checks.
One where unicorn farts power the internet.
Yeah, the fact that sometimes people resisted the mob meant that protection rackets never happened either.
How can every single media outlet by an extension of the Democrat Party while Elon thumbs his nose at Democrats? Doesn't make sense. It's almost as if people were wrong when they said Democrats own Twitter. Nah. The narrative can't be wrong, so there must be something wrong with the facts.
Musk pushes back, others don’t. Wtf is so hard to understand?
The wise commentariat said companies would face severe consequences from the government unless they did the bidding of Democrats. According to the narrative they didn’t have the option to push back.
It's amusing sarc feels free to put words in others' mouths, and stupid words at that, considering how much he whines that others do exactly that to him. Sometimes I suspect sarc has no principles or consistent standards, he just latches onto whatever is convenient to attack those he hates.
When people respond to my posts with personal attacks, I interpret that to mean I'm correct. After all, you've never once made an argument against what I said. It's always against me as a person. That tells me that you cannot compete in the arena of ideas like an adult. Instead you call people names like a child.
When people respond to my posts with personal attacks, I interpret that to mean I’m correct
And yet if you applied this principle to yourself literally every person you've ever responded to as correct since you routinely engage in personal attacks. But you don't apply any standard to yourself do you?
Instead you call people names like a child.
This is amusing both because I didn't call you names, I pointed out you have no consistent principles or standards, and because you do call people names. Again we see that you have no principles or consistent standards.
But I understand you're learned the leftist practice of asserting whatever you wish were true regardless that it has no relationship to reality. Testing comments against reality used to be an important part of being taken seriously, but the left had to jettison that since their ideas failed this test. This was the birth of what I call "debate reality" where they assert whatever helps them win the debate such as "their comments make me unsafe".
Rational people recognize and laugh at this practice.
Who is the wise commentariat? Where did anyone say they have no option to push back? Obviously you always have the option to do so... having the balls to do so is what's rare. Plus, it's still possible that Musk could face consequences from the gov (anti-trust prosecution, etc). Remains to be seen.
Where did anyone say they have no option to push back?
Several did and the point was that an underlying premise structured the whole field such that the push back would only be insufficiently effective. Premises that, even if Musk pushes back with Twitter successfully, purchases every other social media company in existence, and continues to push, still stand. Sarc doesn't care, he's hung up on displaying his own stupidity and ignorance.
Or maybe I missed it because it was drowned out by all the whining and crying about how the media is so unfair to poor Trump.
I covered that. An information system that can't distinguish signal from noise is definitively ignorant/stupid.
How’s Project Veritas doing dumbfuck?
The wise commentariat said companies would face severe consequences from the government unless they did the bidding of Democrats.
You must have missed the part where Democrats are calling for Musk to have his property seized by the feds and investigations done into his business practices. Funny how that wasn't an issue before he took over the left's social media safe space.
Doesn’t make sense.
Yup. For some people, the facts make sense. For others, nothing short of a head first trip through a woodchipper will resolve the issue.
I know it’s hard to grasp, but I had a toaster once that was the same way. Every other toaster I owned was intelligently designed and constructed. A couple had some shorts that I could repair and I, and even my children, are entirely capable of preparing toast without a toaster, but one had wiring of such a gauge and was tightly enclosed in a plastic shell such that no amount of repair or modification, proportional to the effort of producing toast without it, could fix or prevent it from starting fires. Even re-purposing it didn’t make sense as there are more efficient and reliable options for heating and firestarting available. Disposal was the only option. I assume it’s a compressed cube somewhere or has been shredded, melted down, and the underlying elements used to construct something more useful.
*yawn*
You were much more interesting before you were baptized into the Church of Trump.
The only grown up journalists on civil liberties in the world are Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi over at substack. It’s a bit Corleonesque to have the executive office sold to the highest bidder. See the H. Biden laptop story takedown, Russiagate, Disinformation ministry, Canadian truckers asset freezing or Taibbis book Griftopia.
Worth subscribing to Taibbi. And btw, Greenwald and Taibbi are economically left.
Yep. Best $100 I spend every year.
It has never been clear that the Democratic Party had to force Twitter to do anything. It is equally as plausible that Twitter was sympathetic to the Democratic Party and didn't require coercion at all.
Willful ignorance.
And of course, your precious leftists, of which you totally are not one, have not done that.
How far do we take this private company argument?
Should AT&T be allowed to drop Trump, Alex Jones, or Kanye's phone service? Should the local private hospital be allowed to refuse them treatment? Should the local grocery store be allowed to refuse to sell them food? These are all private businesses. Don't they have the same rights as Twitter has?
Did you know that people can starve to death for lack of food?
Did you know that they do NOT die for lack of access to Twitters and Twatters?
Study up on these matters if you don't believe me!
(Also note that ANYONE with access to an internet connection, these days, can freely access ALL the lies, of ALL kinds desired, despite all this mythical so-called "censorshit". And even go right ahead and make up your own lies, and form an "amen chorus" of one. It's what fanatics are gonna do anyway.)
Yes, people can die from lack of food. Yet we allow restaurants to refuse service to people. In fact, Rep Maxine Waters openly encouraged restaurants to kick Republicans out.
Now what about my other examples that didn't include food? Or is it your argument that food is where we should draw the line?
We should maximize personal freedoms, to include the freedoms of property owners, MOST certainly including web site owners! The exceptions creep in around emergency and public-health needs, and freedoms for people to travel, without having to carefully plot a route that doesn't include, say, a huge shitload of eating establishments and hotels who won't serve Republicans, for example. That all gets to be "judgment calls", and I have no magic "fix" in mind. No 5-word slogan will fix it all. But keep in mind, please, that public needs ARE a real need, and MY house-fire can loft burning embers into the air and catch YOUR house on fire. Same with my disease germs. Libertarians need to compromise when public needs clearly are major issues... NONE of which applies to supposed "censorshit" by public web site owners!
Did you know that it would be illegal for the government to pressure a food provider to refuse you service based on the content of your speech? Did you know that it is also illegal when they pressure a web provider to refuse you service based on the content of your speech?
It is also illegal and immoral for the government to pressure someone to refuse any service based on the content of someone else's speech. Even if that person is an icky deplorable. And it is probably doubly important to defend those icky people, because that is generally where the snowball starts on its path down the mountain.
"Did you know that it is also illegal when they pressure a web provider to refuse you service based on the content of your speech?" Is it illegal pressure when I threaten YOU with taking away YOUR Section 230 rights, if you don't do as I say? Am I not allowed to elect asshole politicians who will threaten you in this manner, on my behalf? (Maybe a BETTER solution might be to vote the bastards out, and to boycott FacePooo, by the way.)
Says he who CLAIMS to support Section 230, which enables our free speech right here!
OPEN QUESTIONS FOR ALL ENEMIES OF SECTION 230
The day after tomorrow, you get a jury summons. You will be asked to rule in the following case: A poster posted the following to social media: “Government Almighty LOVES US ALL, FAR more than we can EVER know!”
This attracted protests from liberals, who thought that they may have detected hints of sarcasm, which was hurtful, and invalidated the personhoods of a few Sensitive Souls. It ALSO attracted protests from conservatives, who were miffed that this was a PARTIAL truth only (thereby being at least partially a lie), with the REAL, full TRUTH AND ONLY THE TRUTH being, “Government Almighty of Der TrumpfenFuhrer ONLY, LOVES US ALL, FAR more than we can EVER know! Thou shalt have NO Government Almighty without Der TrumpfenFuhrer, for Our TrumpfenFuhrer is a jealous Government Almighty!”
Ministry of Truth, and Ministry of Hurt Baby Feelings, officials were consulted. Now there are charges!
QUESTIONS FOR YOU THE JUROR:
“Government Almighty LOVES US ALL”, true or false?
“Government Almighty LOVES US ALL”, hurtful sarcasm or not?
Will you be utterly delighted to serve on this jury? Keep in mind that OJ Simpson got an 11-month criminal trial! And a 4-month civil trial!
Oh by the way if Government Almighty officials pressuring and threatening the media is illegal... And IF you then ALSO say that VOTING for public officials who espouse doing this, and DO this... Then voting for The Donald should be outlawed! (Admittedly along with Biden. "Both sides", yes indeed!)
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/28/863932758/stung-by-twitter-trump-signs-executive-order-to-weaken-social-media-companies
That's a separate issue. It doesn't have to be the government doing it, but that line is fuzzy.
Let's say Alex Jones shops at the local supermarket. Someone sees him there and posts the pic on Twitter. Celebrities, politicians, etc retweet through their private Twitter accounts calling for that chain to boycott Alex Jones and refuse him service. Is that legal? I guess so, even though politicians are calling for it, since they are just expressing their private opinions. But that type of soft power can really overwhelm a company and pressure it to do anything.
For me, I’d consider an argument that ISPs and SaaP layer should be like open carriers. But I don’t see at all that a business operating at the level of providing a user experience and selling advertising should be compelled to carry or not carry certain content.
"But now Republicans have grown quieter after Musk overpaid for Twitter and seems to have set himself up as the app's main content moderator—a rather lowly job, if one thinks about it."
Only at "Reason" would the concept of free speech be considered a lowly job.
Cannot figure out why libertarians are not taken very seriously given the public face of the movement like Reason.
Maybe because of commentors like YOU, damned-and-sick damikesc ?
Hey Damiksec, damiskec, and damikesc, and ALL of your other socks…
How is your totalitarian scheme to FORCE people to buy Reason magazines coming along?
Free speech (freedom from “Cancel Culture”) comes from Facebook, Twitter, Tik-Tok, and Google, right? THAT is why we need to pass laws to prohibit these DANGEROUS companies (which, ugh!, the BASTARDS, put profits above people!)!!! We must pass new laws to retract “Section 230” and FORCE the evil corporations to provide us all (EXCEPT for my political enemies, of course!) with a “UBIFS”, a Universal Basic Income of Free Speech!
So leftist “false flag” commenters will inundate Reason-dot-com with shitloads of PROTECTED racist comments, and then pissed-off readers and advertisers and buyers (of Reason magazine) will all BOYCOTT Reason! And right-wing idiots like Damikesc will then FORCE people to support Reason, so as to nullify the attempts at boycotts! THAT is your ultimate authoritarian “fix” here!!!
“Now, to “protect” Reason from this meddling here, are we going to REQUIRE readers and advertisers to support Reason, to protect Reason from boycotts?”
Yup. Basically. Sounds rough. (Quote damikesc)
(Etc.)
See https://reason.com/2020/06/24/the-new-censors/
Ahhh, are some Reason "editors" butthurt that Twitter isn't just a progressive playground anymore?
Cry harder.
“Only a fool would believe that a mercurial billionaire will protect anyone’s rights or uplift humanity.”
Which would suggest that Section 230 is not the “1st Amendment of the internet” that protects free speech enabling the internet to uplift humanity, as it only works through the billionaires who control the tech companies.
“The Right wanted to control Twitter because it thought its content-moderation policies were too extreme—and the Left believes they now won’t be extreme enough.”
Which position is more conducive to the principles of free speech for the public at large?
"...the not-very-funny humor site, The Babylon Bee, back on the platform."
Someone has his panties in a wad over his sacred cows being slaughtered.
Nobody gave a shit about Section 230 until Trump's feelings got hurt.
Bullshit. It was being talked about well before Trump was elected.
Anyone ever tell you that gaslighting is bad, mmkay?
Really? The first I heard of it was when Trump started trumpeting about "fake news."
Wiki has a quick and dirty history of the whole thing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230
According to your own link Republicans began to attack Section 230 only after 2016.
And before 2016...
Hint, it wasn't Republicans.
Hint, after 2016 it was Trump.
You accidentally confirmed everything I said.
Asshole, you do realize that more than Republicans have gone after Section 230.
Do you act dumb by accident, or on purpose? If on purpose, I sure as hell hope you get paid for it.
Sarc’s only here to attack anyone not on the left.
But you’re an uniformed drunken troll.
It was being talked about well before Trump was elected.
- Jacob Sullum, Reason Magazine "Annoying Position", 1997.
Specific. Ambiguity.
Reason general editorial stance is thar Section 230 promotes free speech and that uplifts humanity, apparently that is now foolish.
Well, you added the whole “uplifts humanity” part.
You don’t think free speech uplifts humanity?
“Uplift humanity “ was in the article. Where the author got it from is the question. I never heard anyone say that before. (Well, except about the Foot Fixer but Clairol was really pushing the envelope with that claim!)
It was in the article but “uplifts humanity” has never been something Reason says regularly as if it were part of an “editorial stance.”
Anyone familiar with Reason would know that they don’t have an “editorial stance”, allowing their writers to have independent opinions.
No, the Babylon Bee has never been much funny.
I guess it's hard to laugh when you're a progressive there, Mike. As for the rest of us, the Bee is hilarious.
You don’t lIke it because you and your fellow travelers are typically the butt of the joke.
You would think Reason writers would have the professionalism to avoid such emotive language that so clearly exposes their bias. Yet they consistently use negative language against the right and neutral/positive language for the left. The Babylon Bee puts out some hilarious stuff. Not everything is great and some of it is scarily prophetic. Greenhut is a progressive wedded to the Democrat party and I've never seen him make arguments from libertarian principles.
Twitter Is More Like a Traveling Circus Than a Public Square It’s a private company. Its owner can do what he chooses, even if it seems crazy.
I’m… fascinated by the string of hot takes here at Reason. I’m going to try to summarize this as best I can, bear with me.
Twitter, along with almost every other Big Tech firm in Silicon Valley (ie, all of them) decided together, after significant threats and prodding from government officials and other non-profits started by google execs closely tied to the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton campaign, decided that by hiring a few dozen “baptized” experts could determine the absolute undisputed Truth of the Universe on any subject under the sun, moon and stars.
Reason shrugged and said, “Private companies” and mocked mercilessly anyone who stood up and said, “Um, hang on…” as being fascist anti-free speech haters of freedumb of associationists and totes unlibertarian. Now, someone who is a… ‘proto libertarian’ took the reins, someone who was skeptical of the Absolute Truth Vetting Regime it had put in place along with its mistakes-that-only-ever-went-in-one-direction systems of governance, and Reason tut-tuts, winces, laments that “well, it’s a private company” as they tick their ‘consistency’ checkbox, but winks, nudges assures us that this proto libertarian is “no free speech absolutist” and describes the whole situation as crazy, imploding, disastrous while giving us instructions on how to move on to *checks notes* Mastadon.
I would have thought that a libertarian magazine might have done this in exactly the reverse fashion… you know, starting in 2015-2016 saying “sure, it’s a private company and all (ignoring the dark and dystopian fascistic relationships between deep-state officials and the CEOs), called the whole Absolute Truth Vetting regime unworkable, silly and bound to cause the whole ecosystem to destabilize, and then celebrated a little bit when Musk showed up.
To get that coverage, I might direct my fellow commenters over to Spiked-Online.
I am still ambivalent in my assessment on Elon Musk, but he has all the right enemies ... including a number of Reason columnists.
I have seen zero instances of any Reason writer treating Musk as an enemy. Is poking fun at a public figure treating them as an enemy?
Gaslight much? Somehow you missed the point of this article and ENB's roundup.
Caw caw!
Dee! You bitch!
Well, now we know where the libertarian interns are applying.
It's not Musk, and it's not Twitter they fear. It's Musk and Twitter causing a preference cascade that they truly fear.
Because when the narrative is not carefully controlled and curated people might get the notions that being exposed to alternate ideas and information might be preferable.
Well, now we know where the libertarian interns are applying.
Per 'proto libertarian', we know where the adult, free-thinking writers are applying. I don't know Lauren Smith from Adam, but I know she's not afraid of speech and values her contribution to society in that context.
“Twitter, along with almost every other Big Tech firm in Silicon Valley (ie, all of them) decided together, after significant threats and prodding from government officials and other non-profits started by google execs closely tied to the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton campaign, decided that by hiring a few dozen “baptized” experts could determine the absolute undisputed Truth of the Universe on any subject under the sun, moon and stars.”
If so, they utterly failed to control all information. As one example, anyone who cares could learn all about Hunter Biden’s laptop from several sources.
The Streisand effect comes to mind.
You can only look for information you know exists, dumbfuck.
the not-very-funny humor site, The Babylon Bee,
What a tell.
Irrelevant editorials always seem to make the story weaker. For some reason, in a story about Twitter, you decided to take a swipe at Babylon Bee for no reason. Okay? If I'm talking about bad decisions by Facebook, I don't feel the need to start railing against Adam Sandler or Jimmy Fallon for being not-funny.
It's always a good time to point out Jimmy Fallon isn't funny.
He's probably better than Jimmy Kimmel, for as little as that is worth.
Fallon's actually not as funny as Kimmel, because sometimes Kimmel does clever things, whereas 100% of Fallon's humor is juvenile giggle-giggle stuff. He literally giggles to let you know when he's being funny.
But Kimmel is also far more evil than Fallon, and usually evil isn't funny. Sometimes it can be. But to me, juvenile is almost never funny.
Jimmy Fallon is harmless on his own. I think he just goes along with the woke shit because he wants to be liked by all the assholes in Hollywood.
He doesn’t appear to be a an inherently mean guy.
Wanda Sykes on line 2
The Bee is a hell of a lot funnier than SNL or any late night "comedian". They make fun of everything including even Christianity, despite the site being run primarily by Christians.
The site is fun because "wokeness" is not a sacred cow demanding obeisance and genuflection.
What a tell.
Wouldn't it be... interesting... if Greenhut's preferences just happened to be:
Not-very-funny:
Mel Brooks
Babylon Bee
Dave Chappelle
Funny:
Owen Wilson
Ryan Reynolds
Chris Pratt
Not that I think Ryan, Chris, or Owen aren't funny. I'm just, you know, without any particular context or discrimination for, uh... personal taste, to be sure, noting who's categorically funny and who's categorically not.
Pretty accurate. The Bee is rarely funny.
Everything I ever see from them is funny.
HEY GUESS WHAT WE DISAGREE.
It's a tell. For both him and you.
And a tell then for you, too.
You’re to autistic to get most of their jokes.
There are lots of problems with this terrible column.
First, it's revealing Greenhut refers to concern over free speech as "hyperventilating". Civil Rights are both the most important thing in the world and nothing to "hyperventilate" over depending on whether the concerned party is leftist / libertarian or conservative. This sort of double standard is necessary for anti-right bigots to maintain their hatred and disdain since balanced analysis does not support their conclusions. It's sad to see it exists past the freshman column of the campus newsletter but I guess that's inevitable since freshmen were ceded control journalism.
its operation has nothing to do with anyone's constitutional speech right
Here's another bait and switch. The free speech tradition is far greater than the First Amendment itself. So when someone cites free speech and then tries to dismiss it by noting the limitations of the First Amendment they are either lying or an idiot. Someone who writes about this for a living cannot possibly be this stupid.
The consistent theme is deriding half the country based solely on his own bigotry. As is so often the case Greenhut succeeds only in framing himself as an unbalanced fool.
I make this point repeatedly. Gratefully, I saw Kat Timpf make it the other night.
"Free speech" is a societal value and a human good quite apart from its relationship to government. The First Amendment just captures the value and its relationship to US government governance. But it's still a high value in situations that have nothing to do with government.
Private individuals and companies can effectively "shut up" other private individuals in numerous ways. These aren't good things, and we don't just shrug our shoulders because government isn't involved.
"and we don’t just shrug our shoulders because government isn’t involved."
We do when we are soft statist who think libertarianism means government providing our preferred set of policy outcomes.
This article also illustrates how TDS psychosis destroys libertarian institutions.
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue."
This is attributed to Barry Goldwater, but anarcho-capitalist lbertarian Karl Hess wrote the speech.
Malcolm X also defended the proposition with his typical eloquence in a debate at the Oxford Union.
Reason has lost its way. Evidently, the cocktail parties and prospects of getting a well-remunerated column in the legacy media are more important than the principles of libertarianism. Or, perhaps, some at Reason have been broken by TDS psychosis. Either way, I'm old enough to remember when Reason was a libertarian publication, and mourn its demise.
I honestly believe that the term "libertarian" has been hopelessly corrupted by Reason, Cato and the big L clownshow. I stop by Reason a few times a week and have been a reader for decades. Easily 80 percent of the editorial content either doesn't have any libertarian relevance or is straight up leftist propaganda. The only thing left here that's worth reading is the comments.
The Government forcing an individual or organization to host other peoples speech is a blatant violation of the 1st amendment.
Now leftists are expressing rage—and are proving that misunderstanding the First Amendment and free markets remain a bipartisan affair.
Yet another example of how Trumpian conservatism is more like progressivism than classical liberalism. Principles shminciples. Judge what someone says or does by their politics, not by what they say or do.
LOL, it was only a few weeks back that the Reason Roundtable crew were talking about how they get invited to zero beltway cocktail parties. Heck, most of the staff don’t live anywhere near D.C.
So they’re just dork wannabes then?
Reason = ????
I'm old enough to remember when Reason was a libertarian publication.
I’m old enough to remember when libertarianism was not infiltrated with conservatives.
Same.
Propaganda.
I occasionally send my friends and family headlines from the Babylon Bee that they think are real. That’s satire at its finest.
Looks like Kanye has been banned from twit again for posting a swastika
God forbid anyone would ever see a swastika.
you still fucking whining about it is the most delicious part of all
“Its moderation decisions, however dubious, do not involve government control of what you can say.”
The problem there is that Dem party officials, and more importantly here, government officials, could reach out to their Twitter contacts and get speech censored, and routinely did. Musk is threatening to disclose who did what to get different things banned, to be declared misinformation, or violence, including election denial, COVID-19 experimental artificial mRNA gene therapy (aka “vaccine”) denial, 1/6 denial, etc. we know that it happened because a bunch of government employs complained in the days just after the big firing at Twitter that all of their contacts at Twitter had just been fired, and they couldn’t find anyone to call to get speech they disfavored banned. People doing that sort of work were apparently almost 60% of the workforce at that time. That’s who got fired – most of the censors. It is the loss of that power that has the left, including the Government officials, so worked up about the New Twitter.
You might say that just gently nudging Twitter to censor the enemies of the Administration was merely suggesting private cooperation. But they have repeatedly threatened companies like Twitter with government action if they didn’t bend to their desires. For example, both weakening of § 230 protections and antitrust enforcement have been threatened by this Administration and the Dem majorities in Congress. And that what makes it government action – the carrot was fine, but threatening to use the stick was coercion, and thus, government action, violating the 1st Amdt.
"People doing that sort of work were apparently almost 60% of the workforce at that time. That’s who got fired – most of the censors."
Is Musk, a single man and head of several large companies, also doing the work that once occupied thousands of former Twitter employees, ie moderating Twitter feeds and deciding who can and cannot post? Doesn't he know about delegating?
"Musk is threatening to disclose who did what to get different things banned"
Any idea why he's not disclosing but only threatening to disclose?
I think that it is a threat. Don’t go after me, and I won’t embarrass you, sort of thing. But as things are going, I do think it decently likely that he will finally pull the pin there. We shall see.
He should also put some lasers on his spaceships.
And transphobic torpedos.
It's not a Nazi symbol. Nazis were anti semites and didn't use the star of David.
It's the symbol of the Raelian Movement, UFO cult founded in France in the 1970s. The founder claimed to have seen the symbol emblazoned on the hull of a visiting UFO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%ABlism#Religious_symbol
The symbol has since been supplanted by a more Jew-friendly variant.
The swastika is an ancient symbol used by several Eastern religions. It's still a bad choice even when embedded in another religious symbol just as naming your kid "Adolph" or wearing a tiny mustache will not gain you any friends.
Is wearing jack boots ok yet?
Only if you're a Democrat.
Hitler was just copying Charlie Chaplin with his mustache.
Running Dog by Don DeLillo
http://library.lol/fiction/C075A604E29F3008CECE54AF361A9B0D
I'm old enough to remember when Reason was a libertarian publication. Just sayin'.
Repeatedly.
Similar to the frequency of your squawking.
Actually a lot less.
I'm old enough to remember when the Republican Party atleast pretended to care about freedom and the constitution(pre-2016).
Yeah Greenhut, the blue check meant so much more when woke millennial sheep and the fbi ran Twitter. Go fuck yourself.
I'm starting a GoFundMe. Our goal is 8 bucks so Greenhut can get his checkmark.
If only we actually HAD a democracy for Musk to be an existential threat to! Instead, we have a nearly unrestricted nanny-state with no downside for the regulators if they violate our rights or pass and enforce unconstitutional laws. I see a few signs that the judiciary are starting to become reluctant to remain accessories after the fact with a few recent court decisions - too little and too late - that may eventually become a sign that the judges are willing to actually do their jobs.
If the courts find standing SCOTUS might shut some of this shit down. Reason will respond with the libertarian case for court packing.
Dude the BB is funny as hell. The Californians to Texas is hilarious. Reason defended the bolshie left running Twitter but now it is all a problem. Musk getting rid of the pedo/groomers is likely the reason why given the curious defense of cuties and sexual mutilation by trannies in the schools.
Twitter is much much better since Musk took over..fired all the useless NYC ivy league gender studies assholes running "trust and censorship" and showed how little you need DIE commissars to run a company (corporate America take note).
And did I say he kicked the pedos off the site...that really bothers Reason doesn't it?
Leftists either want to murder babies, or fuck them.
“Until fairly recently—namely around the time that the world's richest man, Elon Musk, bought Twitter—conservatives have been hyperventilating about the threat that social media posed…..”
You know who else hyperventilated over purported “threats?”
Twitter Is More Like a Traveling Circus Than a Public Square. It's a private company. Its owner can do what he chooses, even if it seems crazy.
That's quite different from Reason, of course, which is attempting to be a propaganda outlet, however inept its propagandists may actually be.
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Twitter had the First Amendment right to ban Trump Pre-Elon and it has the same First Amendment right to bring Trump back Post-Elon.
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I guess the current admin telling the FBI, to pressure Twitter to both censor certain content (which was an in kind campaign contribution to Biden) and individuals who didnt violate TOS, is "not involving govt control"
Just like the mob has no influence on the local dry cleaners shop. That whole "hey, thats a nice business ya have there, shame if something happened to it" schitck was just true matter of fact concern. No one said the dry cleaner had to listen to the mob, it has no influence or control over them
It is an extraordinarily ignorant thing to say given the revelations of how much the previous Twitter regime was deferring to the Democrats in office under pressure.
Yeah, free speech only lasted until he kowtowed to Jewish propaganda.
We need Trump back, because He would NEVER threaten media companies for not doing as He commands!
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/28/863932758/stung-by-twitter-trump-signs-executive-order-to-weaken-social-media-companies
All your web sites are belong to Government Almighty, and conservaturds cheer it right on!
REAL libertarians support Section 230!
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Greenhut is an evil totalitarian clump of cancer.
Expect nothing less.
It has never been clear whether previous Twitter's ownership and management required any or much government pressure since their sympathies seemed to align with the Democrats in the first place. If they were amenable to Democrats' requests that was their prerogative just as it is now Elon Musk's prerogative to run the site as he sees fit.
Just as you have the right to disagree with the government you have the right to agree with the government.
So, Nadless Nardless the Nasty NAZI, how many seconds to midnight? When and where do you plan to go postal?
Inquiring minds want to KNOW, dammit!!!!
Greenhut, for all his pretending and like the rest of the writers here, is objectively leftist.
They trot out the occasional 'pox on both houses' but it is plainly obvious who they oppose - anyone who stands against the entrenched statist left.
Get over it. We know its true. We see that they are the only ones immune to criticism stop gaslighting people and calling them nazis for pointing out the blatantly obvious truth. We are not retarded.
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Oh yeah, Greenhut is an obvious prog. You can tell from the title of the article. Twitter is just so awful now that it isn’t controlled by wokie censors.
Neither you nor anyone else has ever refuted what I’ve said because the truth aka reality can’t be refuted
When reality casts the behaviour of people in a disparaging light, they don’t get to play the victim card.
So start refuting what you deny or get over it and be held accountable for your behaviour.
Willful ignorance.
Whatever, resident Nazi.
You can’t refute what you deny or prove what you claim. You lack critical thinking. How can you recognize reality? Of course your attitude is “whatever”.
This is how I clearly and unambiguously ensure that what I say represents truth, reality.
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I value the supremacy of correctly applied logic and science in discerning and demonstrating truth aka reality.
I value the application of both in open debate to conclude and demonstrate that truth can never be refuted while untruths can be.
I commit that if what I say is ever refuted, I’ll never say it again.
Who else can honestly say this and back it up as I do?
Does this represent the character of your Nazi bogeyman?
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