A Judge Accepts the Biden Administration's Dubious Argument for Banning Gun Possession by Marijuana Users
Even people who use cannabis for medical purposes risk severe penalties for daring to exercise their Second Amendment rights.

President Joe Biden, who recently issued a mass pardon for low-level marijuana offenders, says cannabis consumption should not be treated as a crime. His administration nevertheless defends the federal ban on gun possession by marijuana users, arguing that Second Amendment rights are limited to "law-abiding citizens."
Last week, a federal judge agreed, dismissing a challenge to that rule by medical marijuana patients in Florida. The reasoning underlying that decision shows that the constitutional right to armed self-defense, which the Supreme Court has repeatedly upheld, is still subject to legislators' arbitrary whims and irrational prejudices.
Florida is one of 37 states that allow medical use of marijuana, most of which also have legalized recreational use—a policy supported by two-thirds of Americans. Under federal law, by contrast, marijuana remains illegal for all purposes except government-approved research, and simple possession is punishable by a fine of $1,000 or more and up to a year in jail.
For marijuana users who own guns, the potential penalties are much more severe. They include up to 15 years in prison for illegal firearm possession, up to 15 years for "trafficking in firearms" by obtaining a gun, and up to 10 years for failing to report cannabis consumption on the form required for gun purchases from federally licensed dealers.
The plaintiffs in the Florida lawsuit included Nikki Fried, a Democrat who runs the state's Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services; two patients who participate in Florida's medical marijuana program; and a gun owner who says he would like to do so but does not want to surrender his right to arms. They argued that the ban on gun possession by cannabis consumers violates the Second Amendment.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican who does not agree with Fried about much, expressed support for that argument. "The governor stands for protecting Floridians' constitutional rights—including 2nd Amendment rights," his office said after Fried filed her lawsuit in April. "Floridians should not be deprived of a constitutional right for using a medication lawfully."
In his ruling last Friday, however, U.S. District Judge Allen Winsor agreed with the Biden administration that the deprivation DeSantis condemned was "consistent with this Nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation." That is the constitutional test the Supreme Court has said gun control laws must pass.
Winsor noted a long history of banning gun ownership by people convicted of certain crimes. But as Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett pointed out in a 2019 dissent as a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit, that history does not suggest that any crime, or even any felony, will do.
"Legislatures have the power to prohibit dangerous people from possessing guns," Barrett wrote. "But that power extends only to people who are dangerous."
Are cannabis consumers dangerous? Winsor suggested that they are, accepting the Biden administration's analogy between the gun ban for marijuana users and laws enacted in the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries that prohibited people from either carrying or firing guns "while intoxicated."
That analogy fails, however, because those laws did not impose general bans on gun possession by drinkers. They applied only when gun owners were under the influence.
The implausibility of the Biden administration's historical argument is compounded by the fact that the "crime" of consuming marijuana did not exist when the Second Amendment was ratified or when the 14th Amendment required that states respect the right to keep and bear arms. Throughout the 19th century, cannabis, opium, and other currently prohibited substances were legally available over the counter and widely consumed as ingredients in patent medicines.
It seems highly doubtful that Americans of that era would have thought eschewing such products should be a condition for exercising the rights protected by the Second Amendment and state equivalents. Yet the Biden administration insists that it should, even as the president decries the injustice wrought by the war on weed.
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FFL's who are discovered to have a single discrepancy on their 4473's can lose their license.
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For marijuana users who own guns, the potential penalties are much more severe.
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No, not 'Dubious' at all
MJ impairs judgement and motor function.
It is ILLEGAL for anyone to Drive under the influence of ANY substance that impairs judgement and motor function.
WHY are we going to allow a person who insists on partaking of a drug that impairs judgement and motor function to purchase a firearm?
THAT is beyond 'Reason"
Precedent says that simply taking a mind altering substance is not sufficient to lose your constitutional rights or impose significant punishments.
In your example it is illegal to drink too much alcohol and drive. It is not illegal to drink too much and still own a vehicle or a firearm. You can drink yourself into a stupor daily and still not face 15 years in prison for owning a firearm.
I'm not sure if @Irony is being, well, ironic.
But we don't ban drinkers from owning, registering or driving motor vehicles when not under the influence of alcohol.
(Nor do we ban anyone from owning motor vehicles which are not used on the public highway...)
If that was an attempt at irony, it was an utter failure.
You and Will are, of course, correct and the judge is an idiot. Whether the 11th Circuit will overturn him is unfortunately less certain.
We don't require cops to be teetotallers so they can carry guns - even though drinkers are much more violent than marijuana users.
Waking up in the middle of the night impairs your judgement and alters motor function. The adrenaline rush from being awakened in the middle of the night by a bump in the dark impairs your judgement and alters your motor function. Picking up *any* weapon impairs your judgement and alters your motor function. That’s kinda the point. Nobody says, “I need to think long and hard about defending myself from an assault.” and gets out a pen and paper and starts making a pros/cons list. Nobody says, “I need to think more deeply about the practical implications of restrictionist/protectionist international trade policies.” and then picks up a butcher’s knife and starts stabbing and slashing in the air.
I certainly agree that MJ use shouldn’t be exculpatory of the responsibility for any given action but, by the same token…
Liquor companies now own Congress. Before 1933 it was yeast and glucose companies.
Alcohol impairs judgement and motor functions, should I be banned from purchasing a gun just because I happen to have a 6 pack of beer in my fridge?
When Republican Herbert Hooverville was Commander-In-Chief, that beer was declared a felony with no limit to deadly force given the Go Code. A Minnesota candy dealer bushwhacked from behind in front of his family, an Aurora housewife murdered by dry raiders in her home while calling for help, teenagers shot rowing beer across at Buffalo and Erie, Canadians attacked and killed by Coast Guard in the middle of the Gulf... See Senator Millard Tydings "Before and after Prohibition". Did I mention the Crash, Depression and Moratorium arming Nazi Germany?
Why do we allow people who drink alcohol to purchase cars?
It does anything you make it do.
Therefore, when legislators voted for this, they or their constituents attest in their own experience that they used firearms illegally to commit crimes such as these, no?
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I called it when Mo. voted for medical use. Only a blind person or libtard couldn't see this coming.
Should have went with the disparate impact angle.
Looked Winsor up, and very surprised to learn he is a Trump appointee. FEDSOC since 2005. WTF?
Because Donald “Take the guns first, go through due process second” Trump is such a big supporter of gun rights?
So what part of "baptised by prohibitionist Comstock Law televangelist drool" is surprising, given the result?
Is the ATF form question at issue (about illegal drugs) directed at Schedule 1 drugs? Or ALL drugs? In other words, if the announced effort to re-schedule cannabis to some lower schedule going to change this current situation? Or would it require a complete de-scheduling and treating cannabis more like alcohol?
I haven’t bought any firearms from a FFL so haven’t encountered the form. People can buy firearms privately and if they smoke herb or have a mmj card they probably should just do it that way.
The question asks if you're "an illegal user of, or addicted to, marijuana...or any controlled substance. " As written, it could potentially apply to addicts of prescribed medications, though I don't know if it's used that way. At any rate, a lowering of schedule may help if it acknowledges a medical value, and thus, lawful prescribed use, but there's no guarantee.
Rights, being inherent, cannot be suspended at will by rhetoric alone. And moreover, temporary scope of whatever restriction applied due to actionable conduct may not follow without failing a reasonable & fair competency evaluation.
Granted that the Looter Kleptocracy is indeed dangerous, and claws at any pretext for National Socialist prevention of "race suicide": Within the jurisdiction of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, a returning lawful permanent resident who has a felony conviction for solicitation to possess marijuana for sale is inadmissible under section 212(a)(2)(A)(i)(I) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(2)(A)(i)(I) (2012), even though that section refers only to attempt and conspiracy to commit a crime involving moral turpitude, and is therefore properly considered to be an arriving alien under section 101(a)(13)(C)(v) of the Act, 8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(13)(C)(v) (2012). Matter of Vo, 25 I&N Dec. 426 (BIA 2011), clarified.
This is how Biden and the Grabbers of Pussy deport harmless foreigners AND trap Americans who would like to emigrate elsewhere. To them, initiation of deadly force is NOT moral turpitude. Oh, "arriving aliens" are inadmissible even if not wrapped in suicide vests.
Step 2: take Bill of Rights protection away from any and all who occasionally drink light beer.
Step 3: repeal the 21st Amendment and bring back the Volstead Act
Step 4: explain that the Hoovervilles and hyperinflation are the workings of the normal business cycle.
Step 5: repeat step 4 an infinite number of times till it becomes dogma.
We know that drinking to excess reduces inhibitions and impairs judgment. We hear about belligerent drunks. Not so much for cannabis. Pot smokers are more likely to be passive and sedentary when high.
If someone has a gun, I'd rather they smoke pot than drink.
I agree.
I recall the late DA Ron Brown arguing to a jury that he had become familiar with criminals on all the drugs, including heroin, amphetamines, LSD, cocaine, dilaudid, marijuana, and toxic vapors. "But," he said, "the most heinous crimes of violence are committed under the influence of alcohol." The defendant drunk on whisky, the jury later found, had bludgeoned his wife to death with a golf club. A drunk with a gun is a murder waiting to happen. A weed-user with a gun gets the munchies and then falls asleep.