Kansas Voters Could Give Legislature Power To Veto Executive Branch Regulations
The proposed constitutional amendment would shift the state's balance of political power.

Lawmakers in Kansas are asking the state's voters to give them the power to bypass the governor's office and hack away at executive branch regulations.
But the proposal—a so-called "legislative veto"—raises some complex constitutional questions.
If approved by voters, Kansas's Constitutional Amendment 1 would allow the state legislature to revoke or suspend any executive branch rule or regulation with a simple majority vote in both chambers. Under current law, the legislature needs a supermajority and the approval of the governor to block executive branch rules—a setup that effectively dooms any such effort.
"Adoption of the amendment by the voters would return lawmaking authority to the lawmaking branch of government, the branch closest to the people," Kansas Attorney General Derek Schmidt wrote in testimony to the state legislature earlier this year. Schmidt, a Republican who is running for governor this year, is one of the prime supporters of the effort, which is also backed by a collection of business groups and pro-market nonprofits.
Politically, the amendment is a clear attempt at undermining the authority of current Kansas Gov. Laura Kelly, a Democrat and Schmidt's opponent in next week's gubernatorial election. Republicans enjoy a large majority in both chambers of the Kansas legislature, and Democrats have not had a majority in either chamber since 1991. Naturally, opponents of the proposal have tried to frame it as an overtly partisan attempt at shifting the political balance of power in the state, the Topeka Capital-Journal reports.
But it's more accurate to describe the proposal as a return to how Kansas' state constitution originally distributed political power. Until 1984, lawmakers in Kansas did have a "legislative veto" power.
That was a year after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the legislative veto was an unconstitutional violation of the Presentment Clause—the part of Article I that requires legislative action to be presented to the executive for approval. The Kansas Supreme Court followed suit, ruling that the state's legislative veto was "an unconstitutional usurpation of powers." That's why a constitutional amendment is required to re-impose the rule.
Like all structural changes to government operations, there's nothing inherently positive or negative about a legislative veto. While it could be useful for trimming the regulatory state, Cato Institute senior fellow Walter Olson warns that it can also become a mechanism for expanding government.
Enabling a state legislature or Congress to "bind executive agencies to its short-term wishes more efficiently could actually encourage big government by assuring members that they could go full speed ahead on far-reaching, ill-defined legislation, with its expansive delegation, while retaining a convenient brake pedal should things go so far as to provoke public backlash," Olson tells Reason. "One point of the separation of powers is to keep the branches from trying to yoke themselves together into a common harness."
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The regulations should come from the legislative branch and be voted on by the legislative branch only. The executive branch should never, ever, be given free reign to create any regulation whatsoever. We have representatives, not kings. Time we started acting like it.
I was about to ask why the legislature needs a veto over something the governor has no authority to do.
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How does the legislature not already have this power? Is there anything stopping them from passing a law explicitly against an obnoxious executive action?
Since it's an executive action, you can assume that the chief executive (governor or president depending on which level you are talking about) will veto any such law. That means you need a veto-proof supermajority to overturn even the simplest of abuses. That's functionally impossible in a political system dominated by only two parties (again, one of which presumably supports the chief executive).
This power takes away the executive veto power - but only for those regulations promulgated by the executive in the first place.
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Given that executive-branch agencies are an abomination anyway, a shifting of legislative authority to the executive, I don't see how holding the legislature accountable for their actions is a bad thing. Imagine holding Congress responsible for the worst excesses of the EPA for example.
Elected representatives have been trying for years to reason with the non elected bureaucrats that issue these regulations that have become more oppressive than the law that spawned the regulation and are passed with impunity and without ever having to stand for an election, which explains why almost all R's voted for it and almost all D's voted against it going on the ballot. Long overdue.
"the amendment is a clear attempt at undermining the authority of current Kansas Gov. Laura Kelly, a Democrat"
Umm sure... it might be clear that this is just some petty partisan hackery to someone on the east coast who just happened to run across an article in the totally not biased Topeka Capitol Journal.
Although... we stupid rubes that live in this state might see it as a reaction to and attempt at preventing any future abuses of executive power that occurred during the Covid year... but what the hell would we know anyway.
I mean, shit, seems there might be some libertarian angle in at least mentioning the sweeping executive civil restrictions and mandates throughout 2020 that sparked this proposal.
We had something similar in Missouri last year, though I believe it was a court case and not a constitutional amendment.
It required edicts from state and local government or other authorities to be passed or approved by a representative, elected body, and not unilaterally by the executive or some appointed bureaucrat. It really cut the balls off our local county executive and the county health department. Things improved almost immediately. (I'm looking at you, Sam Page, and your lying shitweasel of an interim health director)
Word.
OT: Your Beakers found themselves a hell of a football coach. Nice start to the season. Full disclosure though, I'm hoping they roll into Manhattan at 5-6 so the Cats can crush some Squawk dreams before hoops gets going full swing.
Thanks, I think.
Your team seems to be putting together a hell of a season, too. For what it's worth, I hope they win all of their games but one the rest of the year.
Thanks. Big 12 is nuts this year; anybody can beat anybody.
Welp, karma's a real bitch.
Yeah, looks like neither of our wishes came about. That certainly wasn't the one loss I was hoping for.
I'm probably less sad about it than you are. I still think K-State is putting together a heck of a season.
Win some lose some. Still a decent shot at the CCG if we can win out.
KU rolled. Leipold's crazy good.
How did an upstanding, God-fearing Missouri-ite such as yourself end up going to school there anyway? I thought they shot people on site for that kinda thing over there.
Missouri doesn't have an architecture school, but we get in-state tuition at both KU and K-State as reciprocity for some other degree programs that Mizzou has, but Kansas does not.
Sounds like we live in the same county, Minadin.
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Anyone but Sam Page. If we've learned anything the past 2.5 years, it's that doctors and 'public health experts' should not be allowed to set public policy. Certainly not without debate and consent.
Hell, I would vote for Steve Stenger again if he were available.
Yeah I wondered how anybody could cover this story and not notice the Covid elephant looking over their shoulder.
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I have a hard time understanding why this is a bad thing.
Yeah, that last paragraph in the article is about as clear as mud.
Theoretically, a legislative branch is supposed to have law-making powers, and the executive is supposed to have enforcement powers (with veto power for laws). In practice, both have become law-making branches (legislative with statutes and executive with regulation). Why shouldn't both have a veto check of power on the other?
It has the seeds of a great thing but I do think there is a problem with the legislature in sole control. Legislatures are always highly majoritarian and never have a problem imposing the most tyrannical anti-constitutional bullshit as long as they have their 50%+1. Hell that's the implication here - that the KS legislature is simply trying to castrate the gov without needing supermajority to do that. If they do that via legislation, the exec can, in theory, check that through either veto or reg. If the latter option is closed off, then katy bar the door to what the legislature can do.
The Swedes have a legal notion in their system called ministerial rule (ministerstyre) which provides explicit rules (in their constitution) for the powers and limitations of agencies and specifically how they can be controlled by the other branches of govt. Hayek wrote about a similar notion developed in Netherlands/Germany called Rechtsstaat. Where admin/reg/agencies are subject to the jurisdiction of special administration courts for all their rules. Basically so that those regs are legislatively authorized and constitutionally constrained re their impact on individuals.
Basically those notions are that admin agencies are really a fourth branch of government. And the constitution thus requires the checks and balances and powers of that branch laid out explicitly.
If the latter option is closed off, then katy bar the door to what the legislature can do.
Uh...no. The amendment would only allow the legislature to repeal regulations. Their ability to pass new laws would be unaffected.
Meaning they would be able to repeal any regulations that protect minorities/individuals any time the legislative majority deemed that that repeal would become popular for elections.
For example - the legislature could eliminate any privacy re an individual's tax returns. I'm sure the Koch's would love that as much as the Trumpbots here would love to see Congress get his tax returns.
You're not making sense.
Because he is an idiot.
I just gave you an example of the problems this particular proposed power could create. If you get out of a partisan DeRp mindset, then its easy to see how a legislature in the 'wrong' party control could use this to harm either 'your' party or you as an individual.
I just gave you an example of the problems this particular proposed power could create.
No, you didn't. You gave examples of things they could already do through their existing legislative powers.
What keeps tax return info private is REGULATIONS.
But damn. Why bother pointing anything out. You DeRps are obsessed with wielding power in the 'right' hands. What could possibly the fuck go wrong? Useless.
Laws, not regulations. There may be some regulations as a result of those laws, but by law the government has to protect personal information. God, are you ever right about anything?
Laws do not self-execute
No, but you could go and do that.
re: "Laws do not self-execute"
Ah, now I see the confusion. Most laws do in fact self-execute. And any of them can be written to self-execute.
Not really. They could only easily repeal regulations that were promulgated solely by the executive. So under this model, they could easily repeal a mere executive order that protects minorities but would face all the usual hurdles (and potential vetos) to repeal an actual statute that protects minorities.
For a bill to become a law takes the affirmative action of House, Senate, and Executive.
While I might accept the claim that the world has become too complex for that to be workable, at finer levels of administration, and so we need to allow the adoption of administrative regulations that acquire the force of law by default, and require positive action by House and Senate to block.
But De Morgan's Law tells us that the negation of a conjunction is the disjunction of the negations. That is, the inverse of "approval by House and approval by Senate and approval by Executive" is "not (rejected by House or rejected by Senate or rejected by Executive)".
That is if it takes all three to approve a law, rejection by any one of the three should block a regulation.
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Did I accidentally log onto Vox? I'm pretty sure I read a story that courts and legislatures overturning regulations created by unelected bureaucrats is dangerous to democracy. I thought reason was libertarian and isn't part of libertarian ideals that regulations shouldn't be created whole cloth by the executive branch but rather by the legislative branch, which actually has power to write laws?
And one more thing, most regulations aren't written by the elected executive but by unelected bureaucrats, but we all have to live by them with very little electoral recourse. I can't think of anything more anti-liberty than that.
Didn't read the author until just now. Fucking figured it was Boehm. Fuck, he has gone off the deepend this week. He has removed any semblance of balance and appears to have completely abandoned anything resembling libertarianism. He was always wishy-washy but fuck! He has fucking lost it this week.
I mean, I can't think of much that is more authoritarian and dictator-ish than having an executive or unelected bureaucrats pronounce rules without oversight from an elected body of representatives or the courts, but somehow taking that power back is a partisan political dick move?
Presumably, this same limit will apply to Kansas's next Republican governor, the same way it will apply to their current Democrat one.
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Let's look at the bases of executive/administrative rulemaking.
One way it comes up is when the legislature enacts a statute wherein certain details are vague, subject to interpretation or judgment. Then enforcement cases can be undertaken by the executive and fought in court, or the details can be worked out administratively.
The other way is when the legislature deliberately delegates to an executive office the power to either allow or disallow something. The legislature can require a license for certain actions, and/or give an agency the power to disallow it, pending criteria stated in the statute but requiring judgment of its details.
In a weak-executive state like Texas, where the governor can't veto legislation, the legislature effectively already has the power to overrule any administrative decision by amending the statute it was pursuant to.
Any tool that can cancel Executive Orders is a good tool, whether the Executive Order is a good one or an evil one. Just passing laws may be a good thing or a bad thing, in general making it difficult to pass laws is a good thing. The vast majority of laws and executive orders have been bad or very bad things.
We could use something like this at the federal level - governing by Executive Order has gotten completely out of hand!!