United States of America Pageants Has First Amendment Right To Exclude Transgender Women, Court Says
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Female beauty pageants are allowed to exclude transgender women, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit has ruled. The case stems from a complaint filed by Anita Green, a transgender woman who wanted to compete in a pageant put on by Miss United States of America LLC, which operates under the name United States of America (USOA) Pageants.*
After competing in women's beauty pageants in Montana, Oregon, and Nevada, Green inquired about competing in a United States of America Pageants contest. The director told Green the pageant is only open to "natural born female(s)."
Green sued, a district court ruled in favor of the pageant, and Green appealed. Now, a panel of 9th Circuit judges has also ruled in favor of USOA Pageants. In a November 2 decision, the judges held that pageant rules did not violate the Oregon Public Accommodations Act (OPAA) and that its decision to exclude transgender women was protected by the First Amendment.
The First Amendment protects theater, and a pageant is a type of theater, the court said. Specifically, it's a kind of theater meant to showcase an "ideal vision of American womanhood."
The "natural born female" requirement is just one of many exclusionary requirements for pageant entry, the court points out:
The "Miss" division, which Green applied to, requires among other things that contestants be "between 18–28 years of age," have "never posed nude in film or print media," and not be married or have given birth. Finally, and most relevant to our case, contestants must also be "a natural born female.
The Pageant enforces these requirements. For example, one applicant was
rejected for having posed nude. Another was rejected for including "photographs and language which were inconsistent with USOA Pageants' message." The Pageant explained that those photographs and language were "inconsistent with [the
Pageant's] vision and message we wish to associate with and does not coincide with
United States of America Pageants' efforts to produce community role models."
Mandating USOA Pageants allow Green to be in the pageant would amount to forcing the pageant to say that transgender women are included in a vision of ideal American womanhood and that would amount to compelled speech, the court held. "Given a pageant's competitive and performative structure, it is clear that who competes and succeeds in a pageant is how the pageant speaks," wrote the judges. "Put differently, the Pageant's message cannot be divorced from the Pageant's selection and evaluation of contestants."
I don't think the court is wrong about what allowing transgender contestants implies, though it is a shame USOA Pageants doesn't broaden its horizons a bit. Being more inclusive seems like not only the right thing to do but also a way it could help beauty pageants shed some of their old-fashioned, intolerant image and help with their lack of resonance with today's audiences.
That said, perhaps what remains of the dwindling pageant audience would disapprove of Green's inclusion and USOA Pageants is just playing to its core audience. Or perhaps the pageants' leaders just deeply believe that transgender women should not be included. In any event, this is certainly not the first time beauty pageants have failed to be inclusive. Perhaps beauty pageants further fading into irrelevancy is not at all a bad thing.
But whatever you think about beauty pageants or their rules, they still have First Amendment rights, including freedom of expression and freedom of association. The district court rejected USOA Pageants' freedom of speech defense but said it was allowed to reject Green on freedom of association grounds. The 9th Circuit held that the freedom of speech claim worked, too (and thus it needn't even get into the freedom of association claim): "Forcing the Pageant to accept Green as a participant would fundamentally alter the Pageant's expressive message in direct violation of the First Amendment," it held.
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The problem with "pro-democracy" rhetoric. Josh Barro has a good rant about the Democrats' "pro-democracy" messaging:
When Democrats talk about "democracy," they're talking about the importance of institutions that ensure the voters get a say among multiple choices and the one they most prefer gets to rule. But they are also saying voters do not get to do that in this election. The message is that there is only one party contesting this election that is committed to democracy—the Democrats—and therefore only one real choice available. If voters reject Democrats' agenda or their record on issues including inflation, crime, and immigration (or abortion, for that matter), they have no recourse at the ballot box—they simply must vote for Democrats anyway, at least until such time as the Republican Party is run by the likes of Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger.
This amounts to telling voters that they have already lost their democracy.
More here. See also: "Turning 'Saving Democracy' Into a Campaign Slogan Isn't Helping Save Democracy."
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*CORRECTION: This post has been updated throughout to reflect that Miss United States of America LLC/USOA Pageants and Miss USA are not the same entity. Miss USA does allow transgender women to compete.
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I don't think the court is wrong about what allowing transgender contestants implies, though it is a shame Miss USA doesn't broaden its horizons a bit. Being more inclusive seems like not only the right thing to do but also a way it could shed some of its old-fashioned, intolerant image and help with its lack of resonance with today's audiences.
Yeah, having a bunch of men running around in bikinis with their dicks out is totally going to resonate with the audience. No one outside the prog hive likes trannies.
ENB is one of the progressive bigots who think lesbians should suck ladydick and be thankful for the opportunity. There is no level of progressive stupidity or degeneracy she will not enthusiastically endorse or compel onto others. A shining example of liberaltarianism.
These people are so fucking nuts they have made the radical lesbians the sane voice in the room.
Binary lesbians are old school, well on their way to being deemed oppressors.
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That happened to white Gay men decades ago.
I used to joke with a (gay) friend years ago that the average gay man has a slightly higher income and slightly better educational background than the average American.
THIS is what being oppressed should look like.
And, as it evolved, pretty much nobody gives a shit any more if you're gay and just living your life. But the whole trans thing and the coopting of the word "inclusion" is quite regressive. L and G only half share ground with B, and the T is another thing all together. I'm surprised that there isn't a lot more of a problem between these groups already, as a lot of the T+ in the alphabet people have goals and issues that are directly at odds with old school gay liberals.
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"T", if anything, isn't an "orientation" like "L", "G", or "B". It's a disease condition, if the people claiming it are to be believed.
Like Sesame Street said, "One of these things is not like the other...
Being inclusive is kind of the opposite of what a beauty pageant is about, no?
As commercial ventures, such pageants are probably on their way out anyway, but I don't think including trans contestants will do anything but make that happen faster.
Very true. No better way to end swimsuit contests than to allow contestants with Adam's apples.
Contestants probably won't have Adam's Apples (tracheal shave). At least not on their necks.
From the Today Show in 2008:
> The Miss USA pageant has no limits on cosmetic surgery, although it has allowed contestants to use padding since 1990 to discourage breast implants.
It's quite a confused policy because elsewhere they say plastic surgery is fine but they "discourage it"
So that said, winning contestants may very well be transgender woman as many of them are the products of tuned hormone levels and plastic surgery. They probably won't have too many lumps where that's not expected.
There is still the "TERF" question of giving men access to yet another women's safe space.
But I suspect radfems are against pageants anyway, it will be amusing to see them defend Miss USA
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The ideal woman is a delusional male that hates his own physiology so much that he will insist that he's a woman, and that you not only act like he's a woman, but believe he's a woman, too.
I'm not sure who would actually sign up for that. The ideal woman is a man. GTFOH.
The ideal woman is a man.
Because they have an actual sex drive?
This is an argument I hear a lot. Like, a lot a lot. Really highlights a weird woman hating thread in a lot of transgender discussion I've seen. It's not all, but it is definitely there.
I've seen a bit of it myself. I know a guy who had a wife who he thought was nuts. They divorced years ago. Now, he's trans and claims to be a "she". He also seems to have been much closer to his mother and didn't view his father as much of a father figure.
Porn producers know that. Sexually, the women in porn films behave like men.
I doubt the trans or their audiences want real women in drag shows, either.
Heaven forbid....
I'm pretty sure that's the point.
I predict they're going to cave very shortly even with the court rulings. Remember when the Boy Scouts went all the way to the Supreme Court to get a ruling that they didn't need to allow gays in? Then almost immediately voted to allow gay Scouts then within a year to allow gay Scout Leaders. They now allow girl "Scouts" and transgender whatevers. "Moral straightness" seems like an oxymoron. Wokeness seems to draw people inexorably like a moth to a flame.
A girl can't be a "Scout"?
"...the organization's older youth program, "Boy Scouts," will be called "Scouts BSA" -- a change meant to welcome both boys and girls between the ages of 11 and 17.
It also means young women can realize their dreams of becoming Eagle Scouts, the organization's coveted highest rank, which can offer lifelong academic and professional benefits."
Yes. So that seems to say Girls can indeed be scouts. So why the scare quotes?
Because girls CAN'T be Boy Scouts.
Not at all.
They can be Girl Scouts. In a different organization.
Everybody keeps whining about the whittling away of women's and girls spaces while spaces for men and boys are just being eradicated with breakneck speed.
Exactly.
Isn't that what the girl scouts are about, Overt?
I think the championing is more about why boys and young men can't have their own segregated organizations without having to allow women to join, and usually usurp them with new rules and agendas aimed at 'empowering' young women first. It's like the fitness club Curves. It is a safe place for women to work out and doesn't allow men. Set up a men's only gym and the women are outraged and protesting at the front door.
We forget, sometimes the broken down No Girls Allowed sign hanging on the outside of the clubhouse door does have a benefit in allowing boys to have a safe place to be boys too.
"Isn’t that what the girl scouts are about, Overt?"
No. Absolutely not. The Girl Scouts are not like the BSA program. My youngest goes to Girl Scouts to learn how to make powerpoints and sell cookies. She goes to Scouts BSA to learn how to use knives, lead others, build her community, start fires (that don't burn down communities), be self sufficient, etc...All things that are as important for her as they are for her older brother.
"I think the championing is more about why boys and young men can’t have their own segregated organizations without having to allow women to join"
The programs are segregated....you know that, right? You cannot have a co-ed troop. If you want girls "in the troop", you need to setup a completely separate troop with its own committee. The girls in that troop form their own patrols. They are not allowed to share patrols with boys.
That isn't to say the "segregation" is absolute across all troops. In Fullerton, I visited a troop that is completely segregated. Girls and Boys don't even meet on the same night. They truly act in complete independence. In my kids' troop in Irvine, the two troops do some shared activities. The Patrol Leader Committee (elected positions of responsibility among the scouts) meet together to plan dual-troop activities such as major campouts. The individual patrols also camp and meet separately. When we have large campouts, the scouts still stay segregated into their own patrols. They will combine for things like the opening Flag Ceremony, and then go off to do all their activities separately. They have their own camp kitchens, sleeping arrangements, meals, hikes and everything.
If you want to see the effect of "Integrated" units, you will have to look at the Sea Scouts, Explorers, or Venturing programs. Since you don't seem to be aware, these programs have existed as a part of the BSA for decades without anyone from either side of the Kulture Warz feeling the need to opine. Sea Scouts is essentially boy scouts (but co-ed) on boats. Explorers has a Police focus. Venturing is for kids who don't want to bother with merit badges but want to do all the activities. All of these, have existed completely Co-Ed (units are integrated) for years with no threat to Boy independence.
"and usually usurp them with new rules and agendas aimed at ’empowering’ young women first."
This really has nothing to do with empowering young women first.
1) The main reason this was done was business. Scouting has had declining in membership for years. The Mormons, for years, have been building a domestic version of their international boy's auxiliary program, and finally pulled the cord leaving a few years ago. Scouts BSA has properties all over the US that they need to support, and they cannot do that if they don't have members. Opening up to girls doubled their target market.
2) Parents demanded it for convenience. Being able to interface with one organization and learn "the system" once was a big boon for parents. Our Pack solicited feedback from all parents before splitting to a "Family" pack. The demand for a girl program was nearly unanimous- with only one family out of 50ish objecting.
3) Parents demanded it for quality. At the last event I was at, I talked to a hard-boiled military dad. This was the last person I'd expect to see tear up, and yet he did. Scouting was a huge tradition in his family, with eagles going back to his grand-dad. And he told the story of how, having only daughters, he would see this tradition end, and never have the same experience with his girls that his dad had with him. But the program changes have allowed him to continue a family tradition.
I get that there are Kulture Warz problems all over the country- and I am not blind to the fact that there are people trying to influence the BSA with exactly the same Woke bullshit. That must be combatted. But letting girls into the program is not Woke. It was good business and good for scouting families.
The programs are segregated….you know that, right? You cannot have a co-ed troop. If you want girls “in the troop”, you need to setup a completely separate troop with its own committee. The girls in that troop form their own patrols. They are not allowed to share patrols with boys.
Not 100% technically correct. The girls troop can, and frequently does, include or co-opt leadership and resources from the 'B' troop. Only the Scoutmaster cannot be shared and, even then, in true, modern equality retardation, women can nominally serve as Scoutmaster for the 'B' troop, but men cannot serve, nominally, as Scoutmasters for a 'G' troop. Girls must form their own patrols but, again when the rubber meets the road, the 'Rule of 4' or '2 deep leadership' trumps "equality".
Letting girls into the programs was, IMO, a bad decision. And I say that as someone who, year-over-year for a decade, has gone through the Bear Claws adventure and handed out whittling chips to sisters right alongside their brothers. The change should've been joint between Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts (and Venturing) rather than the combative co-opting that took place. I freely admit that ScoutsBSA is not solely responsible for the ensuing retardation.
“Not 100% technically correct. The girls troop can, and frequently does, include or co-opt leadership and resources from the ‘B’ troop.”
This does not change the fact that the boys and girls are segregated into their own units that can (and in many cases are) kept separate. The fact that leadership can be shared is immaterial. I sit on the committees of a Cub Scout Pack and a Boy’s Troop. That doesn’t change the fact that the SCOUTS from the two units never have anything to do with each other, except when AOL’s from the former are visiting the latter to evaluate bridging opportunities.
Your aside about being allowed to have women scoutmasters is odd…it has been that way forever.
“The change should’ve been joint between Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts (and Venturing) rather than the combative co-opting that took place.”
First of all, Venturing *is* part of BSA. It is one of their four programs, the other three being Scouts, Explorers and Sea Scouts.
Second, if you wanted Woke infiltration into the Scouts BSA, then certainly we should have paired up with the Girl Scouts of America. A Woker hive of scum and villainy you will never meet, and we should be praising the heavens above that they want to have nothing to do with BSA.
This does not change the fact that the boys and girls are segregated into their own units that can (and in many cases are) kept separate.
Maybe you don’t know what the word ‘technically’ implies? I’d say that two groups sharing leadership and resources aren’t ‘segregated’ just because their members have to sleep 30 ft. apart and aren’t allowed to pee in the same bathroom (I haven't come across it but I assume that would be 'mostly' in the case of a trans scout). Yes, they comply with YPT and yes the members are segregated but… technically…
I sit on the committees of a Cub Scout Pack and a Boy’s Troop.
Welcome to the club. Thanks for your service. And, have you signed up for Wood Badge? (It’s a life-changing experience!) ?
Your aside about being allowed to have women scoutmasters is odd…it has been that way forever.
I should apologize. My point was specifically the latter half of that statement and was based on an outdated (but accurate) presentation of the rules that effectively or implicitly laid out “Women can lead themselves, men, girls, or boys, but men cannot lead women or girls.” One criticism I do believe still stands is the ham-fisted implementation of the inclusive transition and, again, I say this both as someone who’s had to hunt down ‘G’ packs for brother/sister Scouts to participate in and listen to the lamentations of people operating B/G troops.
First of all, Venturing *is* part of BSA. It is one of their four programs, the other three being Scouts, Explorers and Sea Scouts.
Right. But Girl Scouts is not. See below (and immediately above).
Second, if you wanted Woke infiltration into the Scouts BSA, then certainly we should have paired up with the Girl Scouts of America.
I didn’t say pairing or partnering and my inclusion of the Venturing, etc. was specifically meant to address that. Borrowing what may be an admittedly terrible analogy, a path to citizenship/Eagle rather than the ‘Girls can join too!’ open borders policy that is certainly no deterrent to infiltration. Again, much of this is outside ScoutsBSA’s hands but, as someone who camped in an area delineated by video game characters, specifically “Pac-Person”, ScoutsBSA could’ve been and could be much less retarded about it.
"Yes, they comply with YPT and yes the members are segregated but… technically…"
Again, this is bizarre. The Fullerton troop I visited has ABSOLUTELY zero interaction between the boys and girls. The scout unit down the street from us doesn't even have a girl unit. Our scout unit spends 75% of their scouting time apart. It isn't "technical" segregation. They are segregated.
The programs are segregated….you know that, right?
No I didn't. My kids are well past scouting age and a lot has changed since my days in the scouts. I still don't see why the Girl Scouts or the BSA folks couldn't have developed a different program for girls that wanted to do the things you describe without co-opting the original scouts. It still reeks of proggy play and it wouldn't surprise me if the wokies pushed the agenda as they have in so many things. I also agree with Azoltoth above that spaces for boys exclusively are too rapidly discounted and done away with in the name of social justice these days.
That said, really interesting summary of what is going on. I have female grandchildren and so am always interested in the challenges parents face and what is out there in the world for them. Good and bad. Your take is sound as a business response coupled with a parental requests. I am all for making the sexes as capable as they can be for their own benefit. Thanks.
If you want to see the effect of “Integrated” units, you will have to look at the Sea Scouts, Explorers, or Venturing programs. Since you don’t seem to be aware, these programs have existed as a part of the BSA for decades without anyone from either side of the Kulture Warz feeling the need to opine.
Yup, was not aware. I was in the scouts a couple of gens back, but not long term for reasons outside of my control.
"I still don’t see why the Girl Scouts or the BSA folks couldn’t have developed a different program for girls that wanted to do the things you describe without co-opting the original scouts."
There is no Co-Opting going on. The Girl Scouts is a completely separate organization that is the play place of feminists and nutjob communists. The WORST thing that could happen is to try and tie the BSA and Girl Scouts together. Thankfully the Girl Scouts are so cranky that they would never ever want anything to do with the BSA.
"It still reeks of proggy play and it wouldn’t surprise me if the wokies pushed the agenda as they have in so many things."
That is an unfortunate side effect of the Kulture Warz. But it was absolutely not a proggy play. It was the opposite. It was an attempt to spread Scouting values to girls, who increasingly find themselves along side boys in the world. Back when the Boy Scouts of America was hitting its stride, the US was putting men- Eagle Scouts- on the moon. Well, today we are putting women on the moon. While I acknowledge that some of that is for proggy reasons, they aren't the only reason. And girls should have the same skills that the boys do- and Girl Scouts wasn't doing it.
And finally, for what it is worth, it is also noteworthy that this boys only thing is relatively unique in the international scouting order. Baden Powell's teachings have spawned national scouting organizations around the world. And many, many of them are co-ed.
There is no Co-Opting going on.
This is visibly, nominally, incorrect and you should realize, in line with the ‘side effect of Kulture Warz’ notion, it comes across as dishonest. Changing from Boy Scouts to ScoutsBSA and instructing everyone down to the scorched Earth to use ‘Scouts’ rather than ‘Boy, Scouts’ and ‘Girl, Scouts’, including the change from “Boy’s Life” to “Scout Life” for fear of stepping on the Girl Scouts' toes does nothing to convince anyone that no co-opting is taking place. Regardless of if the Boy [no comma] Scouts is performing or in charge of the co-opting or not.
The Girl Scouts are not like the BSA program. My youngest goes to Girl Scouts to learn how to make powerpoints and sell cookies.
Yeah. GSA is a shitshow as far as "scouting" activity goes. I actually approve of more of the fairer sex learning the BSA survival skills I did as a kid.
And the legal community is now on a tear to sue the Scouts for allowing gays and pedos free rein.
My recollection of Scouting is that Gay Scouts always had "free rein", so to speak, though no one did speak about it. What happened in the pup tent stayed in the pup tent.
Folks, here's a wild thought: Couldn't parents and kids practice Scouting-type skills both individually and with neighbors, regardless of sex, gender, sexual orientation, belief or unbelief, or any other irrelevant trait?
regardless of sex
Why disregard sex? Boys and girls are not the same. The Boy Scouts provided a male-oriented program and male spaces in recognition of that. That was a good thing. The BSA had resources that small neighborhood groups would not have.
Being inclusive is kind of the opposite of what a beauty pageant is about, no?
Which is the point. You are morally wrong to believe your own lying eyes. The bugs are tasty and you're lucky to have a tongue, shut up and eat.
Why can’t ENB just make her own beauty pageant?
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A lot of the "prog hive" would never date a transgender person, but they won't say so openly.
Meh. I think she is wrong in her view of what is moral "inclusive" and all that, but in this article she at least comes down on the right side of things. Don't force people to associate, and if that isn't what the market wants, let the chips fall where they must.
Rather than scorn her for it, she should be praised for not letting her personal social preferences cloud her morality.
Her personal preferences deserve scorn.
Really? The fact that she would prefer to watch trannies parading along side hot girls in bikinis deserves scorn? I guess we'll part ways there. I have no desire to watch that, but if someone else does, I can spare zero fucks let alone scorn them.
Rather than scorn her for it, she should be praised for not letting her personal social preferences cloud her morality.
Except that's exactly what she does. Literally claiming being more inclusive is "The right thing to do." Take sex out of the equation, would it be moral to say, "Food producers should broaden their horizons a bit and include more rat feces in their products. In order to appeal to and feed a more broad market base, rat feces identifying as food and the people advocating it should be appeased." Sure, you can scrub rat feces clean of all disease to the point where it's edible. Absolutely, some rat feces will always contaminate the food supply. But saying rat feces should be openly and unequivocally included on moral principle is advocating the moral righteousness of a lie.
First, she said more inclusiveness SEEMS like the right thing to do, not IS the right thing to do. Second, did you just compare trans women to rat feces?
First, we are literally talking about obfuscation paving the road to hell, even if the hell is only people being left to actually struggle endlessly in their own stupor rather than metaphorically rotting while pushing a boulder up a hill.
Second, did you just compare women to grist for the mill? I literally said "take sex out of the equation", if you want to re-inject it, that's on you. This essentialism vs. nihilism/non-essentialism debate is not new. Rehashing it on modern terms is neither progressive nor moral.
You are right, she did interject the "Right thing" bit.
Nevertheless, I think my broader point stands. She comes out in favor of letting people associate as they please. That's praiseworthy, perhaps even moreso because she believes Miss(ter) America is a more "right thing" and better business decision.
We could do with a lot more of people arguing for the rights of people they disagree with.
ENB should stuff her editorializing up her ass and fuck right on over to Jezebel.
Don't like it, build your own beauty pageant.
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Really? You picked Cossey out of all the extras in For Your Eyes Only, and was like "I like her! How can I get more of that?"
Again, somebody needs to produce a darker reimagining of 'Idiocracy' for the modern era. Rather than the pre-eminently intelligent nobles getting out-competed by slack-jawed, inbred hicks because enlightened men and women can't figure out how to do what jack rabbits do naturally, instead they employ logic to its utmost ends by sitting in traffic, gluing themselves out of reach of fridge and toilet, and looking right past the Cindy Crawfords and Rachel Hunters of the world in order pine after movie extras with genetic abnormalities because they think saying, "She looks good in a bikini." makes them virtuous... somehow.
Again, it's not either/or for me. Cindy, in fact, is still sexy and I'm sure Rachel Hunter is too (though I haven't seen her today yet.)
The heart (and hard-on) wants what it wants. It's not Idiocracy, just Id-ocracy. 🙂
Rest assured, I don't think less of you if you are strictly all-Cis and all-Hetero. Live in it, laugh in it, love in it.
As above, and with the rest of the argument, there's an unstated/unavoidable 'in good faith' aspect here. You want to seek out and pine after genetic abnormalities, go ahead. Personally, gross, but it doesn't bug me any more than someone putting the moves on their (consenting) cousin out of convenience. Just don't get all uppity about what 'seems right' especially since history and biology both indicate that you're pretty equally virtueless on the issue.
Or, more critical to ENB and the article, get uppity 3rd party after the decision has been rendered and after a series of anti-historic, anti-biological, and non-/anti-virtuous decisions in your favor (and a storied history of seems clearly wrong stances). Live and let live between you and I is not the same as ENB saying, "Yeah, live and let live, but mad.casual seems right." Especially if I've been successful in going around shuttering theaters showing Cossey and Tim Curry movies and insisting that we teach K-3 children the seemingly right virtue of strict cis-hetero sexuality.
You're "package-dealing" a lot there. Attraction regardless of sex or gender does not ipso facto equal attraction to Uncles, Aunts, Cousins or Siblings (and that repulses me when I see it in porn tags.)
And as I would tell any Leftist/Marxist, there is no "right side of history." There are just events that can be either right or wrong by certain standards and future outcomes are up to individual agents i.e. each one of us.
And as I tell Religious Rightists who garble up The Theory of Evolution, Evolution and Biology in general are descriptive, not proscriptive. There is no right and wrong Natural Selection, sexuality, or sexual orientation in Nature, as evidenced by the existence of Hermaphroditism and Homosexuality in other species besides humans.
And when have you wanted to shutter movie theatres? Are you confessing Authoritarianism or is that just a mighty fine Strawman you're setting up?
I liked Sheena Easton's bare body and beautiful voice too. And Ursula Andress and Grace Jones and lots of other gorgeous Cis-women of the time too. It's not either/or with me. 🙂
No one outside the prog hive likes trannies.
Putin is a huge fan of trans rights and he says so all the time. The USSR was the earliest supporter of trans athletes. That is why he thinks its fall was the greatest tragedy of all time.
That's only because they (and the former East Germany) pumped them so full of testosterone to win the events.
You mean the same thing that Russia has done so much of now - officially - that Russia is no longer competing in the Olympics as a nation? The same drug that is used for trans transitions?
Yes I believe an alternate way of summarizing that is - Putin is a huge fan of trans 'rights'.
https://www.advocate.com/transgender/2021/10/22/putin-calls-trans-acceptance-crime-against-humanity
Putin hates Transgendered people, as Benitacanova rightly points out and Putin is a former Commie and a present day Revanchist Authoritarian and thus perfectly cromulent with Progressivism, albeit a different camp which others oppose.
It's time men took their rightful place as Miss USA! MEN! MEN! MEN! MEN!
Look, the whole beauty pageant thing is racist, sexist, ableist, and mostly body shaming. The only true tolerant thing is to define categories of beauty, and then apply affirmative action protocols to any category under-represented among past winners.
I don't think the court is wrong about what allowing transgender contestants implies, though it is a shame USOA Pageants doesn't broaden its horizons a bit.
Who would even watch an "It America Pageant"?
"In male nude paintings, the average penis size has increased over time, especially in the 21st century"
But presence of a penis has literally nothing to do with maleness.
#TransWomenAreWomen
+1
#WishfulThinking
In any event, this is certainly not the first time beauty pageants have failed to be inclusive.
Fuck I fucking hate that fucking word "inclusive." It's like a mating call for the left.
Because you are never included?
Because it means including everyone, even you.
Not to mention the left tend to be awfully exclusive of who they are inclusive of.
They're inclusive of everything except ideas.
My head immediately goes to Beavus and Butthead whenever I hear “Inclusive”.
Which episode?
That section from the new movie?
She said eat ass
That and tolerance. One would be hard put to find people more intolerant of those that disagree with them.
The irony is that they let Green compete THREE TIMES until "she" felt it necessary to draw attention to "her" penis.
"Miss USA Has First Amendment Right To Exclude Transgender Women"
WTF?!
Excluding transwomen from anything (sports, locker rooms, pageants, prisons, lesbian bars...) is literally exactly the same thing as putting "whites only" signs on drinking fountains.
#ILoveScience
#NothingWrongWithLadyDicks
We fucking love science, except for that part about genes. That is just white supremacist bullshit.
Ugh...
they simply must vote for Democrats anyway, at least until such time as the Republican Party is run by the likes of Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger.
It is like the dems are a parody of OBL and not the other way around.
But not nearly as good
He's funny and smart.
Xe -- I think OBL has nongendered pronouns now
I don't think the court is wrong about what allowing
transgenderwhite contestants implies, though it is a shame Miss Black USA doesn't broaden its horizons a bit.Well played
Hey, we all have African heritage, right?
Within the last 80k years or so, we think.
Josh Barro has a good rant about the Democrats' "pro-democracy" messaging
Really? All my progressive friends think Dems have crafted a brilliant message for the midterms. Voters know the Biden economy is the best ever and inflation is a wingnut.com myth. So we want to hear more about 1 / 6.
#1/6WasWorseThan9/11
What about the Paul Pelosi attack? I heard that was worse than 1/6 times 9/11.
#PelosiWasWorseThan1/6
9/66 or 3/22? I can see that. If only that reduced to the ides of March. That would be cool
It can if you want it to. Math is racist.
To be fair, 1/6 times 9/11 is only, like, 3/22, which isn’t that exciting.
Edit: Apparently it's the anniversary of the Boulder Shooting in 2021. Also, unexciting because it's Boulder.
Only one-party rule can save democracy.
Yeah, just look at Illinois or California for your examples.
Utopias, the both of them!
Or the Soviet Union.
Only Executive Orders can save democracy, by spending 400 billion dollars on things the people want, when Congress is dragging their feet.
I guess the Justice Department can also help save democracy, by locking up and prosecuting anyone who protests for election integrity on public property. They might make people question the results and lose faith in democracy.
The Progressives are redefining words all the time. A recession is not what the dictionary says it is, women can have penises, and democracy no longer means 'rule by the people' - who speaks Greek anyway? - but now means 'rule by Democrats.'
Biden is right. Democracy is under threat by voters who vote for Republicans.
And double mastectomies for 14 year old girls is "Chest Reconstruction".
Gender affirming chest reconstruction. They cannot allow this to be seen even neutrally but must be an unalloyed good.
Yesterday Soave was telling us how "embarrassing" all of the Paul Pelosi theories are to the right. Interestingly, Soave bought every single accusation against Brett Kavanaugh hook line and sinker. He didn't seem to embarrassed about that.
https://reason.com/2018/09/23/brett-kavanaugh-accused-of-sexual-miscon/
You are breaking the Kavanaugh amnesty.
He will not feel any shame when the Pelosi narrative breaks down either.
Reason has finally found a circumstance where they will take the cops' word for it and not demand to see the body cam film. It is fucking miracle of the Virgin Mary.
It is amazing how Reason quickly dumps their libertarian principles to defend team D. The good old days of we demand the body cam footage and affidavits are often coerced are long gone.
It's not just the cops word, it's also what Paul Pelosi and Depape said. Literally, everyone that was there agree on what happened.
Paul Pelosi would never lie and neither would a complete lunatic. And if everyone agrees, why not release the tape?
Except he pleaded not guilty.
What a stupid hack, there never was any “alleged rape” of CBF. There was an alleged over the clothes grope
There was an alleged memory of an over the clothes grope 30 yrs. after the alleged fact.
FIFY
Where the hell have you been for the past 30 years? "Rape" now includes any form of undesired personal interaction, with no time limits, and full allowance for the victim to change their agreement and even invent things.
Let's be accurate here- Soave in that article is NOT buying anything hook, line and sinker. He is pretty skeptical in that article.
But it is still noteworthy that when unfounded, batshit accusations are used to sink the career of a Conservative, it is a time to be concerned about "emerging patterns", even if things don't seem to be cut and dry. Compare that to Soave's spittle-stained "How dare they!" post yesterday, and there really does seem to be a double standard at play.
I don't know enough. I actually think Soave is more even-keeled then a lot of folks give him credit for. I'm willing to believe the tone shift is as much 4 years of difference as anything. He's my age, and I think about how much my tone has changed in the last 4 years.
He has been on Kennedy a couple times lately. He's way more honest and even-keeled on TV than his writing. It's almost as though the editors at this fine libertarian publication would prefer he not be totally honest with the readers.
I think Robby is pretty good. Doesn't go as deep into things as I might like, but I think he's on the right side of most things.
Security videos released.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUivmIsqhAY&t=123s
That is so wrong I can't even. I mean I spilled my fucking beer here.
Tucker Carlson had a good breakdown of the source of the skepticism and conspiracy theorizing.
He showed left wing sources doing the initial reporting .... another male answered the door, Pelosi called the attacker by name and called him a friend, initial reporting that he was in his underwear....
All left unretracted, but reported as "crazy right wing conspiracy theories" by the same media organizations.
He also pointed out that these things would be easy to dispel by releasing body can footage. Requests for this from the press have been firmly denied.
They could also be dispelled by security footage.
There also is a plethora of evidence about the full time security at all Pelosi residences and offices.... yet apparently no security was present? Easily dispelled with a simple statement from whoever provides security.
Some locales don't release stuff pertaining to an ongoing investigation, some do. The huge red flag with this one is rags like the WaPo saying the footage will exacerbate conspiracy theories. Releasing evidence only looks bad if we are being lied to.
Everything in that Steven Miller ad is true. If it is shocking to ENB, perhaps she should ask herself why she is so comfortable with racism just so long as it is directed against whites or some other approved enemy?
The problem is what the ad is describing in not racism, it is anit-racism. A sacred tenent of left.
The only way to stop racism is to be more racist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Yf7fX4m-9c&t=35s
A usual, the Babylon Bee is the newspaper of record for these times.
I love the Bee. On the flipside, it scares the shit out of me that they are more accurately reporting the news than the Paper of Record and CNN.
Italy's new far-right government criminalizing raves, but fascist marches are just fine
Italy's new far-right government led by Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni announced that they will be criminalizing raves and other "dangerous gatherings" of more than 50 people. On Monday, authorities shut down a warehouse rave in Modena. "The party's over!" said minister Matteo Salvini. However, the party seems to be just beginning for the thousands of fascists who gathered over the weekend in celebration of dictator Benito Mussolini.
https://boingboing.net/2022/11/01/italys-new-far-right-government-criminalizing-raves-but-fascist-marches-are-just-fine.html
I look forward to our new right-wing overlords.
The previous national unity government had already begun work on changing the law after a mass rave in 2021 in the central town of Viterbo ended with the deaths of two people.
You are so fucking retarded you don't even read the links you put up.
So fascism is cool again?
When is your next pro-Mussolini Unite the Right march?
You are so fucking stupid, you can't read. The raves are dangerous and have killed people. That is why they are being banned.
Lay off the child porn. It rots your brain.
The new crime of "invasion for dangerous gatherings" of more than 50 people would attract up to six years in jail and opens up the possibility of wiretapping rave organisers.
"The party's over!" declared far-right minister Matteo Salvini.
I suppose you Fatherland First types have national security prioritized.
Fuck off and die, lying pile of lefty shit.
Sevo, I am trying to understand this "New Libertarianism" where raves, gays kissing, abortion/Plan B, twerking, and trannie dancing are banned.
I'm old school. It's difficult to get into this new Conservo-Libertarian hybrid model.
How "old school"? I thought you usually went "young school", pedo.
Nobody banned raves you lying fuck.
When you read the original weasely BBC article you find that they're actually just requiring licenses for hosting raves over fifty people.
I'm against excessive licensing and regulation, but it's a far cry from the "banning" you guys were lying about.
If turd posts it, it's a lie. Depend on it.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, TDS-addled pile of shit, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Just like we do not raping kids or taking naked pictures of them. We suck like that.
Why the fuck do you guys let this troll do this to you. Italy is full of paternalistic nannies who want to micromanage every piece of your life. What a fucking surprise.
Don't let him bait you into defending the shit-heads of Europe- originator of some of the worst "ism's" of the 20th century, including socialism, fascism, colonialism and communism.
Shun the Kiddy-Porn posting bastard. That's all he deserves.
He's pretty funny to respond to and watch squirm as he gets himself twisted into a pretzel trying to respond and outdo us over and over again. It's kind of sadistic, I know.
It obviously is cool to the Democrats who practice it often. But you'd know that if you could get you head out of the dark web long enough to see any sunlight.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled shit-pile, a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
"So fascism is cool again?"
Is it? You're the one working for one of the last Nazi party members alive.
In the meantime, here's former socialist PM and Meloni's opponent on whether or not she and the people are fascist.
‘Personally I was against Georgia Meloni. I’m not her best friend. We are rivals but she is not a danger to democracy. The idea there is a risk of fascism in Italy is absolutely fake news.’
You're pushing lies here, Pluggophile. And you know that they're lies.
turd lies. If turd posts it, it's a lie.
You clicked a spb link? Bold move
Italy’s newAmerica’s far-rightleft government criminalizingravesgoing to work, butfascistBLM marches are just fineWell, if , uh, let's see here...BOINGBOING.com says it, it has to be factually true.
Regardless, turd never bothers to read the links; his reading abilities stop at the headlines. turd is famous for providing links which claim the opposite of his statements. turd is amusing that way.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled pile of shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
“Trans-Gender” or Trans-Sexual
Excerpt from the semi-fictional novel, Retribution Fever:
trans-sexual n.: Relating to a person who claims that his subjective sense of personal identity does not correspond with his objective biological sex.
In the name of “humanitarianism”, while invoking so-called rights that never had existed in writing, the disestablishmentarians concocted a euphemism for an especially peculiar sexual perversion; namely, trans-sexual renamed incorrectly “trans-gender”. Then, to protect those who cloaked themselves in that euphemism, less than one-tenth of 1% of the population, they began destroying a millenia-old history of basic morality, commonplace decency, and personal privacy of the most intimate kind. [Note: Not to be confused with transvestism.]
The claim of “trans-gender”, sexual identity is based upon subjective, mental activity. Real, sexual identity is based upon objective, genetic activity. The issue was and is biological not psychological or sociological. To deny this fact is to deny reality; which, in turn, had furthered this declining nation on fire in its descent into semi-psychosis.
And, unfortunately, left libertarians appear to reject any objective definition of identity. They are fully beholden to the idea that identity is entirely subjective.
Unless it involves race. Your genes and your body are totally incidental to your identity. The color of your skin, however, is the defining characteristic of your identity in most cases.
This is the left libertarian view.
Skin color is the most important thing
How would one objectively define indentity? Seems like something that is always subjetive. I'd say the problem is more with people thinking that they alone define their identities and it has nothing to do with how others perceive them
Unless by "identity" you just mean things like sex, skin color, etc in which case it's obviously a simple thing.
Objective considerations is an important part of how other people perceive one. It is that objective characteristics are considered unreal that is much of the issue.
It is as if I claimed to be Napoleon and the world demanded that France behave accordingly so my feelings aren’t hurt. I’ll also need France to pay for surgeries that make me look more like Napoleon.
The above is considered rightly delusional.
I invite people to examine why they think it’s different in other cases of delusion.
I would point out it’s not wrong to notice a mental health issue, nor is it wrong to think that treatment of a delusion shouldn't involve such a radical regimen of drugs and surgery that have no bearing on a treatment and are recommended in zero other similar circumstances.
Even in a libertarian “hellscape” world this would probably be considered malpractice.
Yeah, fair enough. I think my problem is in how "identity" is used. Sex, sexual orientation, skin color, are all characteristics of a person, but seem like pretty lame things to primarily base an identity on. If I'm going to talk about what makes up my identity, being a straight, white male is pretty far down the list.
"left libertarians appear to reject any objective definition of identity."
Which I wouldn't mind at all, except that these lefties will go to enormous lengths to justify Agents of the State (Public School Teachers) pushing these absurd forms of reality down the throats of children around the country. And will bitch and moan about "Academic Freedom" all the while.
left libertarians
Better known as "lying commies".
-jcr
I'm just a sweet transvestite, from Transsexual, Transylvania.
Let's do the time warp again.
Be quick about it! Time is fleeting…
"Heavy. Black. Pendulous."
Fond memories of the movie! I like how the audience reinactors add their own little locaalized twists and kinks to the dialogue and story!
At my local theatre, during the dinner scene, one of the cast yelled: "Hey! They're drinking from jelly jars! They must be at Po' Folks!". (Hillbilly-themed local restaurant chain.). 🙂
I immediately roared with laughter!
Then there were lines like: "Damnit! Janet! Let's go screw!" and "In just 7 days (or just one night) I can make you a man, just like your Mom!"
And when Meat Loaf showed the sole of his boot to the audience, everybody yelled: "EAT SHIT! EAT SHIT! EAT SHIT!". 🙂
And to think the reinactor cast made a lifestyle of it, doing it every damn night it played!
Meat Loaf again?
Hey Koolaid!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/66890686@N02/51687368571/in/dateposted-public/
What is the value in including biological males in a female beauty pageant? No argument made here, aside from ENB's unecplained moral preference. "Inclusivity" for the mere sake of inclusivity is not a moral imperative.
It's Not a Beauty Pageant. It's a Scholarship Program!
Yup. It's not moving the goalposts, it's giving free student loans to everybody!
Well, like earlier in the week when she was Journo-splaining Musk and his business acumen, ENB can't leave anything at "Leave them alone, they are private actors" if these private actors are doing things that offend her lefty or libertine proclivities.
It is a relatively transparent and narcissistic method of using Reason's pages to argue for people to privately choosing her lifestyle, but it is a relatively easily discarded opinion. Miss America is a declining brand, and yet is orders of magnitude more popular than she is. While I know very little about the competence of the business leaders, I am pretty sure that trusting ENB to make business decisions for them is like putting SPB in charge of a daycare.
"A federal judge says "Iowa school districts must consider medically sensitive students' requests to require mask wearing of those around them, notwithstanding a state law that banned school mask mandates,""
Why should others be forced to do something because somebody is "medically sensitive"? What if somebody has issues wearing masks in that same room? Perhaps the student should seek home schooling as an option.
This is the sort of circumstance where "the good of the many outweighs the good of the few, or the one" standard should apply.
And this will never be abused or get out of hand. It is not like we are a society that went from allowing blind people to bring their seeing eye dogs with them to public places to allowing people to bring their emotional support warthog or llama with them on airplanes or anything.
And this will never be abused or get out of hand.
Peanut-free zones were all the rage until people realized that the overwhelming majority of peanut allergies included even more expensive tree nut substitutes, the bans had zero evidence to support their efficacy and even some evidence demonstrating feedback and/or harm, kids were still going to stick their fists into bowls full of peanut M&Ms, snickers bars, and peanut butter cups (and broken glass, flavored vapes, and other fentanyl-laced candy) every 10/31 anyway, and that banning peanuts, a legume, like beans, was effectively racist. And peanut-free amnesty was, quietly and effectively, declared (with gluten-free amnesty, seemingly, right on its heels).
Which begs the question, at what point, does declaring amnesty amount to simply allowing people to be dangerous and stupid?
No, we must all lower ourselves to equal the weakest, dumbest and poorest amongst us. Except for our elite leaders. Class division is the only way to equality.
Does that mean a sex addict can require coworkers to be naked because that will help his condition?
Not just naked, but actively have sex with him because of his “condition”.
It seems obvious, of course, that if the masks did anything then the one kid with an issue should be fine wearing it.
Logic is dead. Harrison Bergeron is reality despite it being satirical. What's next, a Modest Proposal from Progressives?
*looks at the news*
Ah, shit...I shouldn't give them idea's.
Logic is dead.
Nietzsche: God is dead.
God: Nietzsche is dead.
ENB/Woke culture: Where's
JackieNietzsche?Slightly on topic.
The beauty queen lovers who kept their romance secret for TWO YEARS... after falling in love while competing for a crown: As Miss Puerto Rico and Miss Argentina tie the knot, FEMAIL lays bare their hidden relationship - from first meeting to their wedding
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11382103/How-Miss-Argentina-Puerto-Rico-went-competitors-lovers.html
The only attractive lesbian couple in the universe. I guess there really is one of everything if you look hard enough.
I'm betting it's a t.A.T.u like publicity stunt.
Which makes me kinda sad. Lipstick lesbians are the only part of the LGBTQQWTFBBQ rainbow I have an interest in.
LGBTQFU
LGBTQSTFU
Much better.
1Q + 3Q = FUCK YOU!
LGBTQAnon
Maybe they'll be selling honeymoon videos.
Reading the tea leaves between ‘gold star life’ lesbians, physically attractive lesbians, and ‘genuinely good, happy people‘ lesbians, I’m still inclined to say the search continues. Of course, the search would continue anyway but, you know, the specific fit of a/the specific definition of ‘attractive lesbian couple’ is still, IMO, largely unmet.
Very slight.
"Will a ‘vulnerability to misinformation’ factor into the Pelosi attack suspect’s defense?"
[...]
"The lawyer for David DePape, charged with attempting to murder House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Paul, by fracturing his skull with a hammer at their home in San Francisco, said Monday following a court appearance that there has been “speculation regarding Mr. DePape’s vulnerability to misinformation. That is certainly something we’re going to look into.”..."
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Will-a-vulnerability-to-misinformation-17553607.php?cmpid=gsa-sfgate-result
We know he is; hell, he's got BLM stickers all over his van!
Quit bragging, Sevo.
You really are that retarded. News flash, you're the one who got banned here for dark web links, not Sevo.
turd's both stupid and dishonest and too stupid to know it.
If Pelosi was a six year old girl we would have all thought that it was you, Pluggophile.
He'd have used a different hammer.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled shit-pile and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
A lefty loon that may get off on insanity, the perfect person to hire to get rid of someone or to blame a certain group and even if someone gets hurt no problem since the targeted person was becoming an issue.. How is that for a conspiracy
Female beauty pageants are allowed to exclude transgender women...
Forget that, how about that Miss Argentina and Miss Puerto Rico thing???
I almost died.
Apparently, a 'Libertarian Party Activist' attempted to punch the GOP candidate for Governor of New Hampshire prior to last night's debate.
https://nypost.com/2022/11/03/new-hampshire-senate-candidate-don-bolduc-victim-of-attempted-assault-before-debate/
Talk about not respecting the NAP.
Impossible. Political violence comes exclusively from the right.
He must be one of those Ultra MAGA libertarians we are always hearing about.
Was the name Boehm, Sullum, Welch or Brown?
Lancaster.
Dude, anyone NOT a progressive liberal is from the right.
I was confused by your comment, since Sununu is the Governor candidate. Simple mistake.
Yes, Senate candidate, my mistake.
Bolduc lied. Here's the video, with commentary. He never touched him.
Not that I have a dog in the fight, but as cited in the Pelosi thread, "leans into Don Buldoc to call him a war criminal" can/does encapsulate a definition of assault. Being honest doesn't require someone to narrate over what happened.
Don't want to get alleged to have assaulted someone as a political stunt? Don't run up to them right before a debate in order to call them a war criminal. Stupid games. Stupid prizes.
"He hit me" - Don Bolduc.
So, in the vein of "Let's be honest." "Mr. Bolduc, I'm just here to politely call you a war criminal right before the debate." is the narrative you're gonna go with?
You rush the passer, you risk getting called for pass interference. Is the journalist still sitting in a prison cell or did he spend 5 min. in the penalty box and then get released? Stupid games. Stupid prizes.
Is this the libertarian hill you want to die on?
Is asking that question considered assault? Bolduc said he hit him. He didn't.
And if you rush the passer, you're going after the quarterback, not the receiver.
Is asking that question considered assault?
Is this your idea of "Let's be honest."?
Only one person broke the law. It wasn't the activist. It was the senate candidate that made a false statement to police.
Only one person broke the law. It wasn’t the activist.
Still unknown and, sans voiceover in the video, could be easily clarified. Walking up to someone and saying, “You’re a war criminal and I wish you a swift death.” isn’t clearly not a crime.
And a police complaint has been filed against him for filing a false complaint.
Right. This is the same group that stalked police officers to their homes, photographed their family’s cars, and posted it on social media a la Taylor Lorenz. And, again, any word on how long Orga spent in jail or even just sitting in the back of a squad car?
Again, in the current era, are you defaulting to the side of citizen journalist/activist out-of-hand? Is that your idea of Libertopia? I freely admit Bolduc isn’t my idea of Libertopia or “Let’s be honest.”, but Orga isn’t either. Why, after taking the “Let’s be honest.” side, is it so hard for you to admit?
And, again, I'm not defending Bolduc's actions but the Heckler's Veto is a thing and police are rightfully empowered to escort unruly or even just undesired subjects from the premises. If Joa Orga held a campaign rally and Bolduc walked up to him in order to shout "You're a criminal." at him, does Orga have to stand there and take it and the officers in charge of serving and protecting the public and securing peace and stand down, or can Orga rightfully invoke them, at an event he's hosting, to take Bolduc the back of a squad car or off the scene to chill the fuck out?
After the 'Summer of Love' and countless instances of selectively-edited and deliberately staged/precipitated examples of people being shouted down in their own venues, is that really your stance? Are you saying officers were wrong to "arrest" AOC?
Apparently Bolduc is starting to walk back his claim. And a police complaint has been filed against him for filing a false complaint.
And a police complaint has been filed against him for filing a false complaint.
Sure. And numerous 'use of force' complaints were filed on behalf of BLM protestors who were released the same or next day, well within the law, just because they wanted to politely call people Nazi war criminals and invoke their 1A right to disrupt other peoples' events.
This is not the Libertopia you are looking for.
And, again, let’s be honest: Does Orga have some damning, heretofore unknown evidence that Bolduc is a no-shit war criminal? Fine. There’s a vested public interest in giving him a bullhorn or allowing him to step up to the mic at Bolduc’s own campaign rally and allowing him to say so. It would still be better if he turned evidence over to any one of a number of agencies and organizations that would be interested in seeing it, but agreed, 1A, informed public, etc., etc. He shouldn’t be arrested and, even if he were, the evidence should be an acceptable part of his defense and/or mitigation at (lack of) sentencing.
Now, does Orga not have any heretofore unknown evidence and was just trying to shout down Bolduc at his own campaign rally? The the law is well within bounds to at least remove him from the premises for any reason less trivial than Bolduc thought his breath stank.
So, being honest, Bolduc is walking back his claim that Orga assaulted him. Is Orga going to produce evidence of war crimes?
Stupid games. Stupid prizes.
Not cromulent with Libertarianism at all! Not In My Name!
The message is that there is only one party contesting this election that is committed to democracy...
Let them hang their hats on this messaging, because this is getting no traction.
Well, the statement is true; they are just lying about which party it is.
Fascists gotta do fascism.
Speaking of political violence...
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2022/11/2/23436894/darren-bailey-voicemail-death-threat
Prosecutors say anger over a political television commercial at a bar led a Chicago man to send Republican gubernatorial nominee Darren Bailey a voicemail threatening to mutilate and kill him and his family — a threat that also prompted a lockdown of downstate schools associated with the state senator and his family.
In an interview with police, Lennox allegedly allowed officers to see a Snapchat message he sent to friends, including one in which he bragged that he was a “political terrorist.” After telling a friend Bailey was on lockdown, he offered up three laughing face emojis, prosecutors said.
Holy shit, I just looked this mental case up, and Fox 32 actually doxxed the guy. Not surprisingly, he's a self-loathing trust fund brat who lives in one of the most notable high rises on Lake Shore Drive, the same one that Mike Royko lived in when he was alive. From the article:
Lennox also said he didn’t like Gov. J.B. Pritzker but stated he didn’t like Bailey "even more."
Yeah, that means he's a fucking marxist jobber who votes for Democrats anyway.
Reason Rundown
There Can Be No ‘Amnesty’ On Lockdowns Without A Reckoning
I will agree to a South African style truth and reconciliation model for the branch COVIDians: first they are hauled before tribunals to admit their crimes, second they are removed from power across society and third they are slaughtered wherever they are found and driven from the country. It is little different from what they demanded of those who resisted their authoritarian nightmare except it's more honest.
'Driven before you, slaughtered, and lamented by their women' sounds rife for even more heinous abuse.
Duly conscripted for all future drug trials and imprisoned for fraudulent dissent sounds better. Still prone to abuse but much more principled/quid pro quo.
I would settle for having their tongues cut off, eyes gouged out, and fingers removed.
ENB really keeps messing up the spelling of "man" and "men"
Reason Rundown
As expected:
The Washington Post argues that releasing the video from the Pelosi assault would only fuel conspiracy theories.
Poor Robby.
Is that some of the darkness democracy dies in?
The WaPo, "Where Democracy Comes To Die In Darkness".
Ackshuyally, I like the original slogan with a Libertarian addendum:
"Democracy Dies In Darkness...Because If The Mob Can't See You, The Mob Can't Get You!"
Nothing fuels conspiracies like facts.
Especially suppressed facts. The more they hide the videos and blame MAGA, the more people will suspect something is up, and rightly so. If it looks like a coverup, it probably is a coverup. Did no one learn from Watergate?
Or Russki collusion? How many times does WaPo have to lie before we assume it's all lies, like turd?
It's enough for us, but for the true believers, like ENB & company? They may believe their own bullshit up until the end, like Turd does.
Ruh roh.
The Washington Post argues there aren't enough wet roads to douse the fires of conspiracy.
Like the Trump FBI raid.
Somehow its always "trust me bro" you dont know what you are talking about, and trust us, its exactly like we say it is. Evidence? No you dont want to see that, and even if you did it would just support whatever we say. But you cant see it, so trust us.
Just like 1/6.
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1587981847778463745?s=46&t=BORLGmDQDfWaKSrhx828Zw
This perfectly represents how the "elites" thought of us peasants during Covid. They have a different set of rules because of course, they're better than us.
Disgusting.
Reason Rundown
Rebuttal to Robby's piece yesterday
The Stasi Media That White Knights for Nancy Pelosi Bought Every Wild Tale About Brett Kavanaugh
That's a bold strategy, Cotton.
https://www.star-telegram.com/opinion/nicole-russell/article268202962.html
In a last-ditch effort to rally Democrats to vote in the midterms elections just a few days away, President Joe Biden delivered a confusing, two-faced speech to his base Wednesday night.
Biden’s plea doesn’t hold up to logic, either: If people cast their vote based on previous MAGA-based threats to democracy and Democrats lose, doesn’t that mean voters thought Biden and his party were the threat? Based on, well, democracy? Democracy is not at risk when Democrats, or Republicans, are voted out of power.
Wednesday night’s vapid speech from inside what was once a glamorous, bustling hub of transit from the superpower of the world’s capital couldn’t have been more analogous: As Union Station is now largely empty, so is Biden’s rhetoric.
As Union Station is now largely empty, so is Biden’s rhetoric.
And would be even more apropos if it was full of homeless meth addicts.
Fess up. You're Robby IRL. 🙂
It's especially weird considering the DNC was responsible for more than a few of those MAGA wins. You don't get to bankroll the opposition and then claim to be dismayed that they won.......
https://twitter.com/radiogenova/status/1587830921838923776?s=46&t=BORLGmDQDfWaKSrhx828Zw
Brazilian patriots besiege the military command in Rio de Janeiro. They ask the military leaders to arrest Lula: "We will not allow a corrupt criminal to rule us!" Mass protests across Brazil.
https://twitter.com/christinapushaw/status/1587989887352987650?s=46&t=BORLGmDQDfWaKSrhx828Zw
If you think I’m exaggerating, Biden’s “infrastructure” law requires all new vehicles to have a kill switch so the government can disable your car remotely (eg, to enforce lockdowns). This would be a gross human rights violation if China or Russia did it.
"I don't think the court is wrong about what allowing transgender contestants implies, though it is a shame Miss USA doesn't broaden its horizons a bit. Being more inclusive seems like not only the right thing to do but also a way it could shed some of its old-fashioned, intolerant image and help with its lack of resonance with today's audiences."
Uff da. Go woke, go broke.
Nothing says "gorgeous woman" like adam's apples and crotch bulges.
Like I've said before, the social contagion that is the troon obsession is transhumanism taken to its most retarded conclusion. Societies really do deserve to collapse in a heap when they get this stupid and self-indulgent.
why not let flabby, acne riddled, bull dykes compete in Mr Universe while we are at it?
Actually, they CAN compete.
They'll not get far, but as long as they're natural born women under 28, never married, never posed nekkid, they're welcome to compete.
Just wait for affirmative action for looks.
Shit... I needed that when I was in my 20s and trying to date out of my league. I'm middle aged. Too old to take advantage of it now.
Keep that up and Reason's resident Trannycop, Gotohellinahandbasket, will be here shortly to chastise you,
So at least there are jobs waiting for the progtards who want to move to Canada.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-immigration-500000-2025-1.6636661
There's zero doubt that Trudeau, Freeland and Singh are 100% WEF.
It's like Schwab is personally running the country.
Bank of England warns UK faces two-year recession, hikes rate
The Bank of England on Thursday announced its biggest interest rate hike since 1989 to combat sky-high inflation that it warned was pushing Britain into a recession set to last until mid-2024.
A two year recession? They must really hate Biden in Great Britain.
https://news.yahoo.com/bank-england-warns-uk-faces-015930732.html
Same policies have the same effect? Really?
It only affects the price of snuff.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addles pile of shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Things Shrike wants you to believe:
"Biden printing more of the world's reserve currency than has ever been printed before, doesn't have an inflationary effect globally.
Biden collapsing the North American energy industry wouldn't affect global prices."
3) "turd has an IQ above 20, and is capable of telling the truth"
The executive branch does not "print" money, you dumb fuck.
That would be Fat.ass Donnie's hand-picked Fed Chair Jerome Powell.
Of course Biden renominated him - giving credibility to the "both parties are the same" people. Also both parties participated in the fiscal spending spree of 2020-21.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled pile of shit, a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
The FEd doesn't determine the money supply. Treasury does that shit for brains.
Concerning turning “democracy” into a slogan: No matter how much partisans try to torture the concept of democracy into their own partisan mascot, democracy isn’t prescriptive in any way. It simply means that NO ONE “rules” over the people. Electing the representative of your choice doesn’t mean that your representative rules over you or anyone else. It also does not mean that a majority of representatives can pass any legislation they want to, even if a majority of their constituents want it that way. Democracy may be better than the alternatives (dictatorship, oligarchy, anarchy, meritocracy, monarchy, etc.) but it simply does not mean what they want you to think it means.
Yes, we have been slowly fed the idea that they are rulers and not employees.
Vote everyone out.
Direct democracy is tyranny of the majority. 50% + 1 rules over the remaining 50% – 1.
A republic with elected representatives, what we have, is supposed to be a check on the majority.
And that’s why the left wants direct democracy instead of a democratic republic. They want tyranny of the majority (as long as they are the majority).
Not sure you understand what demos means when used with Kratos. If the demos says you have a God king to rule over you, that's what you are a democracy, a monarchy, a theocracy and then also whatever system said God king wants you to be.
Republic > democracy, albeit only marginally since we ended up moving towards 100IQocracy anyhow.
Democracy does mean those things. That's why, a couple hundred years ago or so, some folks tried to design a Constitutionally Limited Republic 'round here.
Ding ding ding
In that case, why would being "inclusive" only apply to transgender status? The pageant could be totally inclusive by allowing in men, people over the age of 30, people under the age of 18, married people, pregnant people, even senior citizens in nursing homes. Why not? If being "inclusive" is a virtue, then include them all!
Repetition of the adulterated version of a word is a sure sign of a progressive bent in a "libertarian" journalist. It's a lack of logic and introspection.
Diversity went down this road a while back. Now you hear progressives using "diverse" to describe an individual, something like "We want a diverse writer", meaning the writing job has to go to a progressive black woman. Diversity for them literally means the opposite of its historical connotation.
Inclusive is the new diverse. And its use makes me feel very excluded, which is the whole point. But ENB parrots it as though its actual, dictionary meaning from not very long ago has no bearing.
Inflation Rate by Country – 2022
Global inflation reaching 40-year highs has led to high prices for utility bills, food, and fuel which are leaving consumers with less money to spend on other things. Rising prices often limit what households can spend on goods and services. This would mean businesses will suffer as consumers focus on cutting costs and start monitoring their budgets.
This has prompted economists to predict a looming global recession or a severe and long-lasting downturn in economic activity. Below are the top 20 nations with the highest inflation rates, the US is currently ranked 103rd with inflation at 8.3%.
https://smallbiztrends.com/2022/10/inflation-rates-by-country-2022.html
Only 103rd? That sucks.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled pile of shit, a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
1. Holding the world's reserve currency means you can pass on the inflationary effects of uncontrolled money printing to others.
Every number on that list is Biden's fault.
2. The administration has been cheating on its inflation calculations.
The US is tightening, you fool. And the USD has gained strength while gold and other currencies lose value.
Some (but not all) commodities are in record demand which increases prices. The US economy is still TOO hot.
You're an idiot. Really.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled pile of shit, a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit
That's weird, I thought you said inflation wasn't happening.
We're only 103rd! We can do better.
Man, you're a living parody of the
1) It's Not Happening
2) It is Happening but not how you think
3) It is Happening and here's why it's good
Cycle
I was being sarcastic.
Obviously inflation is a worldwide phenomena caused by COVID disruption.
What is stupid is to blame Biden for COVID events.
That is obvious.
I know wingnuts have to blame Biden. Because they are the same idiots who believe in QAnon and Trump as a successful POTUS.
Sure you were, moonbat. QAnon is really just a BlueAnon excuse to do shit at this point.
Obviously inflation is a worldwide phenomena caused by COVID disruption.
Blaming Biden for everything is an emotional release. The "Fuck Joe Biden" prayer just doesn't have the same cathartic effect unless you blame him for all of your problems. Accepting and admitting that inflation isn't a uniquely American problem caused by one man is like taking the polar plunge. Mister Happy goes all turtle.
The best defense against anyone suggesting otherwise is to accuse them of saying Biden did nothing wrong, of agreeing with everything he says, and with everything he does.
Bad faith argumentation: assume the only possible explanation for anyone disagreeing with you is bad intentions.
After a bit of thought, arguing in bad faith makes senses when you consider the other person to be your enemy.
You're not going to argue in good faith. Why should you. They're the enemy. You wish them harm, and you assume they wish you harm. You're not interested in common ground. You're looking for a fight.
So why not assume anyone who disagrees with you does so out of malice? You're full of malice. They must be too.
It's just the price of spittin' tobaccy. Everyone named Buttplug knows that.
#OracleOfDogshitGeorgia
Man, this is a weird hill to die on.
Welcome to the insane, upside down and inside out world of Buttplug, Reason's foremost (or is that foreskin?) expert on the economy and inflation. The so-called Oracle of Dogshit, Georgia (or is that Dogdick, Georgia? - I get the two so confused, but they're at the same end of the mutt). Buttplug is so great at his predictions that he has a 100% rate (of failure). To Buttplug, the Nile is not just a river in Egypt, especially when it comes to his ban from here for posting dark web links to child porn. No, sir, it's more than that.
It's Dogdick, GA.
I am mayor.
Obviously, Boss Hogg.
I mean you have had other left 'libertarians' on here trying their best to die on the hill of basically age of consent being a conversation decided between parents and kids. You know, the extremely unpopular and blatant slippery slope that it is.
So, where was all that rainbow fentanyl on Halloween?
I mixed all of it in with a bag of smarties. It was a great time.
Good move. The deaths will be blamed on either obesity or COVID.
What's the difference?
The 9th Circuit held that the freedom of speech claim worked, too (and thus it needn't even get into the freedom of association claim):
Though I think our nation might could use a little reinforcement of freedom of association rights.
I don't have a PhD in art science or sociology or intersectional physiognomy or anything, but my first guess as to why penis length in paintings over the last 6 centuries but especially in the last century has increased might have something to do with the introduction of central heating to art studios. Do women know about shrinkage? Realistic paintings or sculptures of men standing around nude in a 40 degree drafty stone studio are going to do them no favors in the size department.
I attribute it to the porn star effect.
Over 6 centuries? The last 50-60 years, yes, but not the last 600 years. Also, photoshop hasn't been around all that long.
There has always been porn.
Female beauty pageants are allowed to exclude transgender women, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit has ruled.
Umm, any quick perusal of Tik Tok will tell you that Trans women exclude themselves.
Ya, the adams apple, facial hair, and micropeen bulge somehow didnt get them into the beauty pageant. Who knew
OK. Multi-million dollar (still?) pageants have free speech based rights to exclude, individual bakery owners or web designers do not.
Got it.
“web designers”? Can you explain further?
In other great news, the left is all in on tranny shows, mutilating kids, abortion, and reinstituting racism while the right has taken the racist inside track of "the economy". What a bunch of bigoted meanies.
I think the 538 polling went from 65/35 Dem senate to 51/49 R senate over the last month. House will be a bloodbath, same with gov races.
Maybe you cant gaslight your way to victory and eventually people decide to believe their lyin eyes? And the threat of "if you dont vote for me the country/democracy is over" is also wearing real thin too.
And the threat of “if you dont vote for me the country/democracy is over” is also wearing real thin too.
Maybe their threats should be taken at face value, as in the Democrats might do something or try something if they don't win. I wouldn't put it past them at this point, given what they've done over the past two years with Covid and anti-OrangeManBad stuff to try something really stupid and futile.
I would wager them escalating Ukraine is the ace up their sleeve
Miss USA Has First Amendment Right To Exclude
Transgender Womenmen, Court SaysFixed it.
I wonder if I can get into the congressional black caucus?
I mean I am white, and not in congress, but damnit I FEEL that is exclusionary toward me.
This stuff really is that level of ridiculous. Women's beauty pageant bans ugly deformed men. This really shouldnt be controversial.
>>The Department of Homeland Security has branded election deniers as potential terrorists
all the more reason to disband DHS ... oh and hey T totally won that election
It's a mighty odd world when it takes government action to keep men from competing in a women's beauty contest. But here we are.
...actually it took a US Constitution.
The Constitution is what the courts--i.e. government--says it is. Sometimes the government follows it, sometimes it makes things up, like Wickard v. Filburn or Roe v. Wade.
A federal judge says "Iowa school districts must consider medically sensitive students' requests to require mask wearing of those around them...
How to be popular with your classmates.
Would you rather;
A) Have a medical condition that forces you to wear a mask or...
B) Have a mother who thinks you have a medical condition that forces you to wear a mask?
It's not the votes that count, it's he who counts the Battle Blox.
Inclusivity. What the fuck does that mean?
Female beauty pageants already exclude the obese, the ugly, the old, the male. BECAUSE THEY ARE FEMALE BEAUTY PAGEANTS. Who cares that trans is one more on the exclusion list?
The NBA excludes me from a paycheck every day of the week. Because I am short, slow, and untalented at basketball. Those motherfuckers.
Hint: "exclusion" is not a bad word, and "inclusion" is not a good word.
“ I don't think the court is wrong about what allowing transgender contestants implies, though it is a shame USOA Pageants doesn't broaden its horizons a bit. Being more inclusive seems like not only the right thing to do but also a way it could help beauty pageants shed some of their old-fashioned, intolerant image and help with their lack of resonance with today's audiences.”
And yet, no one asked for an opinion. I think it’s a shame that the mentally ill are advised to mutilate their bodies.
Hope no one finds Logic boring but I can substantiate the Court's decision.
Ask: Does Miss America, or X if you prefer, refer to some definite referent? If so, what does not fall under that cannot be said to be part of Miss America. So does being a woman fall under Miss America ? QED
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