The Paul Pelosi Conspiracy Theories Are an Embarrassment for the Right
The House Speaker's husband was attacked by a crazy home intruder. Why is Donald Trump pretending otherwise?

What happened to Paul Pelosi—a vile assault at the hands of a crazy person—is not exactly a mystery. Nor is it a laughing matter. So why are various conservative personalities, including former President Donald Trump, pretending otherwise?
"It's weird things going on in that household in the last couple of weeks," Trump said during a Tuesday interview on conservative radio. "You know, probably, you and I are better off not talking about it. The glass, it seems, was broken from the inside to the out and, you know, so, it wasn't a break in, it was a break out."
This is totally false.
Last week, on the night of October 28, a mentally ill homeless man named David DePape used a hammer to break into the Pelosi residence in San Francisco, California. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D–Calif.) was not at home, so DePape roused her husband, Paul. DePape had brought zip ties and duct tape, intending to make Nancy his prisoner. We know all this because he confessed it to the police after they apprehended him. Law enforcement found the zip ties. The glass was broken in the direction of a break-in, not a break-out.
Pelosi, thankfully, was able to evade DePape long enough to place a 911 call; at some point—perhaps just as the police were arriving—a scuffle broke out over the hammer and DePape struck Pelosi with it. He suffered a skull fracture and other injuries, but is expected to make a full recovery.
None of these details are in any serious doubt. It's what Pelosi says happened, it's what the police say happened, and importantly, it's what DePape says happened. The alleged perpetrator confessed to the police. He admitted to investigators that he wanted to kidnap Nancy Pelosi and "break her kneecaps." We are still learning more about DePape's motivations, but people who knew him have already come forward to attest to his mental illness. An ex-girlfriend described him as "constantly paranoid, thinking people were after him."
"He is mentally ill," she said. "He has been mentally ill for a long time."
This is an open-and-shut case of a disturbed individual acquiring vague political ideas and attacking a high-level politician's home and spouse. An overwhelming amount of evidence supports the official narrative, and thus it is indefensible to propose zanier ideas about what might have happened.
Incredibly, many right-wing figures have implied or outright suggested that the encounter between DePape and Pelosi was a gay hookup gone wrong. The pieces of evidence they cite in favor of this theory—that DePape was also in his underwear, that he was known to Pelosi beforehand, that there was another person in the house, and that the glass was broken the wrong way—have all been debunked. There was no other person in the house; Pelosi was in a state of undress because he was dragged out of bed in the middle of the night; if Pelosi's comments during the 911 phone call sounded off, it's because he was trying not to tip off DePape.
Trump was clearly gesturing at the hookup conspiracy theory when he referred to "weird things going on in that household" that "you and I are better off not talking about it." Donald Trump Jr. evidently thinks the matter is funny enough to joke about, as does right-wing celebrity Gina Carano. If a deranged leftist had broken into the home of a conservative political figure or Supreme Court justice, you can bet they would be singing a different tune.
"Too many on the right have indulged in disgusting conspiracy theories about the assault," chides conservative writer David Marcus in an excellent piece for The Spectator.
Perhaps most embarrassingly, Elon Musk—fresh off his acquisition of Twitter—also gave oxygen to this conspiracy theory, firing off a just-asking-questions tweet that included a link to a conspiracy site advancing the hookup conspiracy. "There is a tiny possibility there might be more to this story than meets the eye," he wrote.
The mainstream media are currently throwing a temper tantrum over Musk's Twitter takeover, and for the most part is not acquitting themselves well. But concerns about Musk will become more sympathetic if he makes a habit of spreading easily debunked conspiracy theories. And his stated goal of making Twitter a freer and fairer place for all kinds of speech would be undermined by his own behavior.
The impulse to question mainstream media narratives is a very good one, and has served alternative writers and thinkers well in many high-profile cases: Kyle Rittenhouse, Covington Catholic, Jussie Smollett, and so on. In general, it's smart to wait for facts to accumulate before passing judgment one way or another, and to be careful when it comes to sweeping proclamations. But it's now perfectly obvious what happened to Paul Pelosi, and pretending otherwise is ghoulish.
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Nobody on the so-called right made any conspiracy theories. They simply asked why no videos when the cops had body cameras. It was a fishy story to begin with starting with the 911 call and all the security the Pelosi’s had! Funny how the same wasn’t said about January 6th. It is still nothing but conspiracy theories until we see all the hidden footage. Why not release the tapes in their entirety from both incidents? Americans deserve for this partisan rhetoric to stop from so-called leaders!
The Alt-Right popular "gay tryst" theory is a conspiracy theory. For it to be true, numerous people would have to be lying and loads of evidence would have to have been faked.
The prosecutors have admitted that police body cam and surveillance camera footage exists, and have been shown to the Pelosi family, but they will probably not be released to the public until Depape's trial. You want to see it (hell, I want to see it), but we're not entitled to see it until the trial is over (and maybe not even then, as it apparently shows a private person being violently assaulted).
So the 4th or 5th leftist narrative is the one we're supposed to care about? Fuck off you leftist POS, you fail to mention that very same media spent days pinning this on Trump and Republicans. You fail to mention the cheering for worse violence against Republicans from your fellow travellers in media for the multiple assaults and assassination attempts by you and yours. Why would I ever believe you lying scum, you've proven repeatedly you cannot tell the truth if there is a lie that serves you better.
Wasn't Musk's tweet in response to Hillary blaming the attack on MAGA Republicans? Interesting that there is no mention of that.....
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In 30 years of the pelosis being in the public eye, Paul was nearly invisible, just a guy getting crazy rich off his wife’s legislative decisions. Now twice in 6 months his personal life has been in the news. In both cases there were other younger men involved, and a rumor that has been around for the 30 years is allowed to thrive. Then the progs and thier media explain that the nut job was like the J6 people using the same language. You might as well run your own conspiracy if that’s the game being played. And the real story was told on NBC on Friday and they took the story down. This is what happens when the media reports on political figures, we don’t get the truth, so the vacuum gets filled.
Her tweet was perfectly accurate as everyone knows a drug-addled nudist hippie from Berkeley living in a fucking schoolbus with BLM and rainbow pride flags displayed around it is obviously a MAGA cultist.
You forgot illegal immigrant.
This is an embarrassing article from Robbie.
A new low. And that’s saying a lot.
Robby dropped the mask and went full whore a while ago
Even after dropping the mask, it's still a new low. He's gone from fellatio to foot sucking.
Felching.
To be sure, Robbie could have at least mentioned that the left blaming this on “election denial” is retarded.
To 'both sides' this might detract from the masturbatory run-up to midterms in these lame takes from reasonmag 'editors.' Rico definitely shits the bed when righties and centrists call out stupid lefty bullshit. 'CRT just a high level legal theory' etc...
there is nothing "high level" about crt whatsoever. to call it a "legal theory" when there is no legal standing behind it whatsoever is amateurish at best. rest of your comment is nails.
Yeah, I already have Politico to tell me what an awful spreader of misinformation I am for parroting their own claims.
That one was hilarious. People were citing their own earlier article.
In their defense, Politico does peddle disinformation as a general rule.
Nice try at the art of reasoning. There is a big difference. An actual event happened with facts and evidence and all that. It is certainly open to interpretation but what the some are doing is just openly avoiding the facts and creating a fabricated reality. It's a troll game. Flooding the zone with you-know-what.
The left is theorizing that extremist rhetoric has encouraged this guy to act out. Sorry if it rings too true. It all adds up. There is a crapton of anti-Pelosi rhetoric and the January 6th rhetoric and actions alone makes for an obvious link. So sorry if that bothers you but it is what it is. The right just needs to own it for once.
This is not about you "believing" anyone unless of course, you no longer believe with the blue lives.
Yes, this!
A PLEA FOR MORE TOLERANCE: Yes, speak your minds! But watch the extremes and HATREDS here! We have to be careful. Shades and degrees, you know…
Analogies: I teach my kid(s) day after day, that “Gays and trans people violate God’s Will, and Mother Nature! They are despicable, unnatural, and EVIL!” Then I am utterly SHOCKED (shocked, I say; SHOCKED!) when reports come home from school, that my kid(s) harass and bully the CRAP out of those that I have called EVIL?!? “Hey, kid, I never told you to BULLY them!!!” Falls kinda flat…
Dark Ages Europe (and America as well; see Salem Witch Trials): Pre-Christian WITCHES are EVIL! They cause crop failures, human diseases, drinking the blood of the Christian babies, and stillborn livestock!!! GOD HIMSELF causes witches to BURN IN HELL forever!!! (That’s what I said.) Then I am SHOCKED (shocked, I say; SHOCKED!) when my neighbors burn the accused witches!!! I never said that we should do THAT!!! Once again… Falls kinda flat! Morally, ethically, and (dare we add) spiritually advanced humanoids CAREFULLY watch their words as well as their deeds!
Of course, much of the facts and evidence is being concealed. With a changing story. Which no one is supposed to question, while accepting the bullshit ‘Trump’s fault’ narrative.
The left is theorizing that extremist rhetoric has encouraged this guy to act out. Sorry if it rings too true. It all adds up. There is a crapton of anti-Pelosi rhetoric and the January 6th rhetoric and actions alone makes for an obvious link. So sorry if that bothers you but it is what it is. The right just needs to own it for once.
So, a nudist guy who lives in a bus covered in BLM signs in San Fransisco was inspired to attack Nancy Pelosi's house by "right wing rhetoric and January 6th"
Yeah, that all adds up, if you are a fucking moron maybe.
It reads a lot like Mike L. No matter what happens, it must be Trump and/or the GOP.
“Liz Warren could’ve attacked Pelosi with a tomahawk and they would’ve blamed the Republicans” - Joe DeVito
If a comment is from me it will have my name on it.
Go read the thread on electric vehicles. Not one comment about Trump or the GOP. Just great conversation.
Nah, on second thought, don’t. You will make it all about sticking up for Trump and the GOP.
But Democrats like Maxine Waters demanding people be more "in the face" of Republicans did NOT cause anything. No sir.
"...The left is theorizing that extremist rhetoric has encouraged this guy to act out. Sorry if it rings too true. It all adds up..."
To low-watt-bulb lefty shits like you, perhaps.
If a crazy person wants to break Nancy Pelosi's kneecap, maybe that has nothing to do with January 6? Maybe it's just because she's a permanent, unwelcome, cantankerous figure in public politics? Maybe it's because she and her husband obviously leverage her access to the highest offices of political power to enrich themselves?
Maybe Nancy Pelosi should consider retiring. She's "served" this country long enough.
Her house was already spray painted by BLM activists at one point. Claiming it is GOP rhetoric causing it is hilarious.
A lot of,her constituents are to the left of AOC, and think Nan is far too conservative. This guy fits that description.
Please, and everyone else in our government over 70 please!
There's a lot of anti politician rhetoric from both sides. See Biden's red sermon.
Isolating it to the GOP is silly.
Yet, somehow, even the alternative press like Reason seems to do it. Just like the mainstream media.
How many people on the left praised Rand Paul's neighbor? Talk about lows.
They’re not really alternative anymore. Between all the Koch money, and the desire for their next gig at WaPo or the Atlantic, they mostly go along to get along.
Now Sarc will be along to whine and cry again, as we have besmirched his precious heroes, the leftist stalwarts of Reason.
"The left is theorizing that extremist rhetoric has encouraged this guy to act out. Sorry if it rings too true. It all adds up. There is a crapton of anti-Pelosi rhetoric and the January 6th rhetoric and actions alone makes for an obvious link."
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LOL what you don't seem to understand is that this doesn't stop him from being left-wing AT ALL. Look at the people protesting AOC's town halls.
Meanwhile, from Shellenberger's substack, where he did some first hand information-gathering (which we used to call reporting / journalism):
"Neighbors described DePape as a homeless addict with a politics that was, until recently, left-wing, but of secondary importance to his psychotic and paranoid behavior. “What I know about the family is that they’re very radical activists,” said one of DePape’s neighbors, a woman who only gave her first name, Trish. “They seem very left. They are all about the Black Lives Matter movement. Gay pride. But they’re very detached from reality. They have called the cops on several of the neighbors, including us, claiming that we are plotting against them. It’s really weird to see that they are willing to be so aggressive toward somebody else who is also a lefty.”"
https://michaelshellenberger.substack.com/p/pelosi-attack-suspect-was-a-psychotic
And Robby could have, and should have cited Shellenberger's research/reporting in his article. Not once did Robby even bother.
This is why they NEED him to be right-wing. Their entire political foundation rests on it.
But we have the tape!
https://vimeo.com/766003949
And why we need him to survive and tell his story. Is DePape talking yet?
Shellenberger? That sounds like a German name. And you know who else had a German name???
Robert Reich?
I actually had someone I know bring Reich’s name up and tell me I should listen to him because he’s ‘so smart’. I laughed and laughed. Explaining that I would learn more from getting beaten in the head with a tire iron than from anything spewing from Reich’s diminutive pie hole.
I was not greeted with a favorable reaction. But then, this person was raving about oil company profits and other democrat talking points. I just can’t be polite about that bullshit anymore.
Colonel Klink?
H.R. Von Papen Stiff?
Schellenberger wrote that on the 29th (at least, that was when it was published). That was the "initial story".
Subsequent information about Depape was revealed over the last few days, including that Depape hadn't lived in Berkeley for some time and in fact had lived in a converted garage in Richmond for the last two years. The police searched it and found papers and bills--and of course, we also now know that the "frenlyfrens.com" website was registered in his name to that address.
Bezerkly /?? he probably could n ot afford. Richmond is the burbs of Berkley
Yeah, it's only six miles away, in a different county...
"Neighbors described DePape as a homeless addict..."
So were the neighbors other homeless people, or was he a homeless addict who, you know, had a home?
The left is making shit up without facts and it fits your worldview, that is what you're telling me is the differentiation. The fact is the media was all over blaming the right and demanding Republicans pay a price for their ally on ally violence. You had zero evidence this is linked to the right on day one and less now but still to you the problem is on the right.
And speaking about violent rhetoric, should we talk about the leftist narrative on protests by the right (terrorists, extremists, etc), or about the unvaxxed or believers in biology against post-modernist gender ideology? Yep, you're perfectly sane to side with that.
https://twitter.com/alexchristy17/status/1587457095644897280
And now you’ve got CNN asserting that political violence is an uniquely right-wing problem. Except that it’s not remotely true – it’s closer to the opposite. They even have polling data to prove it:
https://notthebee.com/article/survey-shows-white-leftists-are-rapidly-seeing-violence-as-acceptable-in-politics-who-wouldve-thunk
(edit for spelling / typo)
"The left is theorizing that extremist rhetoric has encouraged this guy to act out. "
Oh fuck off you dishonest shit.
Did they do the same "theorizing" when a guy showed up armed and ready to kill Kavanaugh?
It doesn't matter whether it "rings true", or even whether it "is true". What you call "extremist rhetoric" is free speech, and if you don't like it or can't deal with it, that's your problem.
Yes, and it is well-deserved: the Pelosis have enriched themselves while destroying the lives of millions of Americans. Pelosi falsely and knowingly accused POTUS of receiving golden showers from Russian prostitutes. Pelosi has called on her left wing troopers to harass and harm her political opponents. And Pelosi and her party have turned San Francisco into the shithole that it is. The Pelosis deserve all the verbal abuse they are getting. The fact that a nutcase in the shithole that they themselves created attacked them is, of course, unfortunate. But it's not the fault of Republicans or conservatives.
And the only ones spewing rhetoric about January 6 are on the left.
We have no reason to believe anything from anyone. Spreading lies about the motive for the attack is just as bad as spreading lies about the attacker and the Pelosis. Those on the right were generally sympathetic with Pelosi until the the media and their chief whore Nancy starting blaming MAGA. So, gloves are off now, and those of you who don’t get who started it can suck it.
Shit, CBS News was still calling the crazy attacker guy a 'far right conspiracy theorist' last night.
"you fail to mention that very same media spent days pinning this on Trump and Republicans. "
In Reasonlandia it is never "embarrassing" when leftists seek to exploit the news for political gain.
There’s a new mean tweeter in town, Elon Musk.
MDS- Musk derangement syndrome
Seriously you need some anger management counseling. You cannot think clearly or you cannot see things clearly if your mind is drunk on anger. Sober up, you'll see things better, and you'll be happier person too, much less stress. Let go of the anger.
The truth is a leftist narrative? How about you fuck off instead, and wipe up that puddle of drool, you mouthbreathing pusbrain?
"But whatabout and whatabout and whatabout?!? ". Whatabout a dumb fuck. The conspiracy theories were blatantly, transparently retarded to anyone with half a brain. Sounds like you fell for them, which makes you retarded also. If you want the rest of the country to care about anything you fake-libertarian Republicans care about, stop being a fuckin retard.
The spergs on Twitter talking about the broken glass, including the cop who started the whole thing, didn't even realize it was safety glass. Not just regular safety glass mind you, but double safety - tempered and laminated. "OooOooOoo, there's glass outside the door!" Wipe your mouth again fucktard, you got another puddle forming.
There's more to questioning the official story than just the glass. I'm sure you didn't mean to leave the other details out.
If a deranged leftist had broken into the home of a conservative political figure or Supreme Court justice, you can bet they would be singing a different tune. HUH? This idiot forgets that s SCOTUS WAS targeted. and the tune from the left was. "if you are going to san Francisco be sure to wear some flowers in your hair"..as for Pelosi swinging both ways. look at the city he lives in.. anything can happen. meanwhile for some real reporting get on over to Michael Schellenberger. several stories on his substack worth your timehttps://michaelshellenberger.substack.com/p/pelosi-attack-suspect-was-a-psychotic?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
The suspect allegedly entered the house through a sliding glass door, carrying a hammer, does that look like a "sliding glass door" to you. my question. tighty whities or boxers. or maybe a thong
There's no sliding glass doors on that house. The three sets of patio doors are French doors.
even if the truth serves them better they will couch it in a stream of lies and bullshit because it's all they know how to do. objectivity burns them. the left is nothing if not one big lie born from a pack of lies.
Right? The First Amendment is there to prevent tyranny through disinformation by the government. Notice if the narrative is against the party in power that the media loves, it’s a conspiracy! I didn’t hear the media defending Trump through a myriad of conspiracies throughout, and continues, his presidency. And they’re still trodding out ineffective and lying people like Obama and Hillary who were some of the biggest conspirators.
what a big ole pile of shit for an article. Pathetic
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I’m only slightly surprised you weren’t the weirdo at Pelosi’s place.
I do admittedly have a "thing" for Pelosi, butt she usually cums over to my place, to stay away from the slimelight and the poopoorazi!!
How do we know he’s not? Or maybe he’s the third person, yet to be identified.
The three men were all in their underwear, but Sqrlsy wears Depends, not underwear.
It was actually 3 men, 5 chickens, 2 dwarf elephants, 7 gallons of green paint, a hamster, Elvis, and Bigfoot. Trump told me so, so it MUST be true!
(This being a vaguely family-oriented site... Do NOT ask what they were doing with the green paint!)
Ah, so you were there.
Maybe the cops just glossed over that point? Depends all around?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......no shit
I tried. it bounced
Try, try, try again! Persistence wins!!!
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Care to share any details of why you consider the blog post a "pile of shit"?
Alas, we can only wonder...
I think I'll just go have lunch then.
Nobody cares.
Robbie dick on a bun with extra mayo.
He can make it a Mike Laursen combo meal by having some of Robby’s chocolate ass cream for desert. Although now I’ve probably got SQRLSY salivating.
Sure, for example:
"The glass, it seems, was broken from the inside to the out and, you know, so, it wasn't a break in, it was a break out."
This is totally false.
And that where Robby leaves it. No counter argument, no explanation as to why it's false. Just "Its false" and we're supposed to believe him.
We've all seen images of the broken glass and how it lies, and Trump's interpretation seems valid. If Robby wants us to believe otherwise he needs to do better than "nuh-uh" and claiming it's debunked without any explanation how and by who.
That's just one of the reasons why the blog post is a pile of shit.
"We’ve all seen images of the broken glass and how it lies, and Trump’s interpretation seems valid."
Your citation fell off!
I was going to say "What the fuck, every newspaper in the country has a picture of it", but then I remembered you're a Salon and Politico reader.
So here you go, bubble boy: https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/10/paul-pelosi-attack-01-1.jpg
So glass can fly in multiple directions when shattered, maybe? Do the laws of physics somehow prohibit that? Or only when the laws of physics are passed by Republicans in thrall to Trump and Alex Jones?
Newton's First Law. A hammer hitting the glass will push the glass forward while the hammer is pushed backward, in directions equal to the sum of the forces. What this means is that if you hit glass with a hammer, it does not just fly in any direction. If hit from the outside, the glass will be found inside the house, and vice versa. Ever break a window with a baseball?
Glass bends slightly before breaking. Then you have buckling, torsion, and all sorts of complexities! Was the hammer striking straight-on when it hit, or at what angle? Was it TWISTING when it hit the glass? If the hammer-head was spinning at a high rate of speed, you can BET that it will kick glass in ALL directions!!! Was the hammer-head deflected, or quickly yanked backwards after (or during) a glass-shattering blow? Any honest physicist will quickly admit that in the real world, ALL sorts of complexities creep in, and very rapidly! Then there are ALSO phenomena where the equations have like 40 terms, for total accuracy. but in real-world engineering, they simplify to ONLY the three (or so) terms that really-actually matter for much significance!
Things like this are NOT as simple as a single physics equation!
(Do you volunteer to press your face against my side of the glass, while I punch through the glass with my hammer?)
shattering glass is a bit more involved that a pair of balls on a pool table. as it shatters, each individual piece interacts with all the others and with gravity as they fall. some pieces WILL move backwards.
Good job! Correct! I didn't think of that! If a large piece hits a small piece in the right manner, as it falls, it WILL kick the small piece backwards!
I wonder if Mikey will respond to that, or hide like a little bitch.
Yes, you can clearly see glass both inside and outside of the door. Put that together with the laws of physics and the suspect's own statements and you should be one step closer to a conclusion about what happened that night.
That is, if and only if you believe that the laws of physics were passed by Alex Jones! Alex Jones TOLD us that the laws of physics tell us, QUITE FIRMLY, that stuff and stuff is stuffy, except when it is NOT stuffy!!! For all True Bleevers, that should be ENOUGH!!!
"And that where Robby leaves it. No counter argument, no explanation as to why it’s false. Just “Its false” and we’re supposed to believe him."
JFC..... i know this is a novel concept, but sometimes people say something is false because it is FALSE..... you really need that "explained?"
every single person involved gives the exact same account. the crime scene investigators come out and conclude the exact same thing..... and you need it explained to you because you saw a few pieces of glass on an aerial photo?
has ANYONE in modern politics even heard of Occam's razor? we are supposed to believe there is this "alternative" explanation that has no evidence at all once you understand that breaking in a window does not mean every piece falls inside the window frame?
Occam’s razor would demand that Depape getting in like this would take a lot more effort and explanation than Paul Pelosi picking him up for a rendezvous that Depape might have had second thoughts about.
And the evidence in support of this "alternative" theory is...
And of course, everybody Foo_dd mentioned above is therefore necessarily engaged in a massive coverup of Paul Pelosi's stunningly shameful behavior.
So you and Food are the same sock, SoCkSoCkMoFo. How nice. Two socks supporting each other. So are you guys crew cut, short, or tube?
You are just too clever.
Have you ever heard that before?
yeah..... a random hook up with a guy who just happens to carry a hammer when he is in the mood for love, waits for Paul to call the police, then decides to break out a window and beat him with the hammer, just happens to have a history of being bat-shit crazy, and confesses he broke into the house just like the guy he was attacking claims, and lays the scene out such that the crime scene investigators reach the same conclusion..... definitely more plausible than a nut job with a hammer broke in...... /s
There needs to be a name for a razor that’s the opposite of Occam’s razor.
Reminiscent of all the experts on the thermal properties of structural steel that suddenly appeared after 9/11.
were is Columbo when you need him
Mean tweets are intolerable.
#Thegatesofhellareopenontwitter
'...if Musk makes a habit of spreading easily debunked conspiracy theories....' So a town has a public park and people go there and yell out conspiracy theories so the town becomes the one 'spreading' them? Beyond childish. You are with us (free speech) or you are against us and this site has made it abundantly clear where it stands.
"...this site has made it abundantly clear where it stands."
Indeed it has, by consistently supporting private property and Section 230! If you think otherwise... Then citation(s) please!
Where do YOU stand on Section 230?
"So a town has a public park and people go there and yell out conspiracy theories so the town becomes the one ‘spreading’ them?"
Can you outline step-by-step, logically, how you got from what Soave wrote to what you wrote?
It's in the headline. A handful (2? 3?) of people are proposing outlandish motives for the Pelosi incident, and Soave is saying this is "an Embarrassment for the Right." A ridiculous assertation, as MTG and Elon Musk do not wholly make up "the Right", but Soave is not here for clear-headed analysis. He's here to score partisan points.
Wait, so when I read Naime Bond's comment, I made the following mapping when reading the park analogy:
town = Twitter
people = Twitter users (not clear if Musk is categorized as a mere Twitter user, who isn't the mayor or owner of the town, in Naime Bond's mind)
What is "the Right" in her analogy? Is "the Right" the town, not Twitter? Is the "town" simultaneously an analogy for "the Right" and Twitter?
So you’re going with being a pedantic little bitch today. Got it.
KORPURATIONS ARE FREE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT
EXCEPT WHEN THEY DONT DO WHAT WE WANT
Totally agree ... and yet lefties immediately jumped on righties for FAILING to "jump on" with sympathetic virtue signaling immediately after the incident and praised righties who DID immediately mouth sympathetic messages to the press.
The attempt by Democrats and their fellow travelers in the media to suggest that De Pape was the responsibility of the Right is not much mentioned. Despite that being a conspiracy theory, or at least an unwarranted jumping to conclusions.
Robbie would never attack possible future employers.
He’s weak. Like Welch, who recently was one step away from dropping to his knees and blowing the rest of the leftist panel on Bill Maher’s show.
Mickey, I don't think you understand how conspiracy theories and social science work. A conspiracy theorist thinks that a group of Trumpers got together and hire De Pape to carry out a hit. But no one is suggesting this. The left is theorizing that violent anti-Pelosi rhetoric has seeped into weak-minded people like De Pape to the point that they feel compelled to act. Kind of like saying, "you gotta fight like hell!" and then not being surprised when some people actually do start fighting. In other words, the more general theory that verbally calling for action in general has a causal affect on whether or not the said action gets carried out by someone. This is not exactly a controversial theory. Of course we cannot draw a straight causal line from one verbal event to De Pape's actual actions. But nor can we draw a causal line from a 1st grade teacher reading a book with two moms and a 1st graders eventual declaration that they are gay.
But the rhetoric had nothing to do with the shootings of Republicans or the attack on the Rubio canvasser?
That's the conspiracy theory - that words apparently only fire up the right.
That's not a conspiracy theory, though. That's a biased viewpoint.
Remember folks, Mike's not a Democrat. He swears it.
The left is theorizing that violent anti-Pelosi rhetoric has seeped into weak-minded people like De Pape to the point that they feel compelled to act.
So, he is a leftist you fucking half wit.
Moreover, now try your little theory on the guy who attacked Rand Paul or the guy who tried to murder the entire Republican congressional baseball team.
Go fuck yourself.
"Mickey, I don’t think you understand how conspiracy theories and social science work..."
Given that you're a lying pile of lefty shit, you'd be the last to explain most anything to anyone.
In the article, that bolded portion is a couple hyperlinks to right wing figures saying things about the attack.
There are NO hyperlinks to the claimed debunkings.
In fact, I keep hearing that these things have been debunked but can find no evidence of this. The only cites you get, if you get any at all, lead to other people saying that these things have been debunked.
You don't ever seem to get to the debunking.
Welcome to fortified journalism. Like fortified elections, it's designed to make it damned near impossible to find out what actually happened.
Those actual facets have NOT been debunked and in fact were part of the original 911 call and police report. This is pure gaslighting at its finest.
Well here is the thing.
Reading through the FBI complaint, I think people like MTG and Dinesh D'Souza were wrong in how they interpreted the facts. But the complaint was not filed and published until monday afternoon, after D'Souza and MTG tweeted (and btw, MTG's cited tweet isn't anything like D'Souza's).
It is likely that what happened is as Soave states- the "My Friend" stuff was Pelosi trying to talk to 911 while a crazy dude with a hammer was close to a mental, violent break. This all makes sense to me.
But the faux outrage that Soave has is hilariously inept. He is happy to jump on people on the right who misinterpreted facts prior to the FBI complaint being filed- judging them by what we know now. But he is completely mum about all the jumping to conclusions that was happening on the other side.
This is evidence #200 bajillion that if you are in the public eye, doing hot takes on these types of dynamic situations on a weekend are pretty stupid, and will only make you look foolish.
Take the issue of the glass. The fucking picture shows glass on the outside of the door. Please debunk the released photo Robbie.
There you go, believing your lying eyes again.
Here is a link for all the sealions:
https://heavy.com/news/paul-pelosi-attack-video/
You do know Depappe has admitted breaking into the house through the glass door, right?
"DEPAPE stated that he broke into the house through a glass door, which was a difficult task that required the use of a hammer."
Page 5 of the federal criminal complaint
But yes, there was apparently glass outside the house. If you've ever seen safety glass break, you'd know that it doesn't all go in one direction. IIRC, it kind of collapses when it shatters, ending up on both sides (both sides!) of the window opening.
You do know [DePape] has admitted breaking into the house through the glass door, right?
I know that the admission has been attributed to him. I also know he has at times claimed to be Jesus, and that law enforcement agents, when motivated with the proper threats or emoluments, have lied about what a suspect said. I have no reason to believe any of them, and a lot of reasons to disbelieve all of them.
Then you have no reason to believe anything. Bannon is proud of you.
Good luck!
FWIW looking at that video, it demonstrates what I expect when you destroy safety glass. You hit it again and again until if falls pretty much straight down with glass on either side of the window pane. If you look in the video, you can clearly see glass on the inside of the door as well, though it can easily be mistaken for glare. The reason the glass is more visible on the outside is the lighting, and the fact that the door opens out, spreading it around.
Again:
1) I can see why this theory originated. Given what was seen (the video) and known (911 “My friend” Call), it is a reasonable assumption of what happened. That isn’t a conspiracy theory- it was jumping to conclusions during the opening hours of a dynamic story.
2) That said, we have more information, and that information seems to agree with the official story.
3) This is all the more reason why hot takes on twitter is a bad idea. Because not only might you be shown to be wrong, too many people then double down again.
4) And of course, having failed to pin this DePape guy on the right, the usual figures are doing everything in their power to somehow change the story to the right.
Pelosi called his attacker “my friend” as a defense mechanism?
Seems dubious.
It does not seem dubious to me at all. I can imagine a dude with a hammer either on the other side of a door, or even potentially watching me.
"Oh I have a phone call...give me just a second... Oh hi, I've got david here he broke into my house...but we're all friends here, right david?"
If the account from the FBI, Pelosi and "David" are correct, that seems quite believable to me.
Again, I can see why all these details presented out of context raised red flags- especially among people already suspicious of Pelosi, and being blamed for this shit in the first place. It didn't help that the Police also referenced "Unknown Person" in addition to Pelosi and DePape.
But again, this is what happens in a dynamic situation. You see a bunch of independent facts, and draw conclusions. Then when you find out more- like the fact that Pelosi was on the phone with police while Depape was standing by him with a hammer- you re-evaluate your conclusions. *shrug*
go to a big window on your house and hit it with a hammer. there will be glass on the outside of your house.
it is that fucking simple. the thing you dumb-asses are claiming is evidence is evidence of nothing. when you smash in a window, it does not all magically fall in the same direction.
ok, cunt-faced pig. Why don't you fucking do it and show the video, you shit faced asshole.
I'm not the one claiming it looks like something else. put your fucking money where your mouth is..... prove to us that glass breaks only in one direction.
Possibly because it would be a lot funnier if JesseAz did it to his own house? I suggest he try it multiple times, just to make sure.
No need. I just checked and there are entire forensic courses on YouTube including lessons on glass breakage analysis.
Maybe all the armchair experts around here can go watch a few of these videos, then reconvene tomorrow.
"No need. I just checked and there are entire forensic courses on YouTube including lessons on glass breakage analysis."
Get that people? Mike checked YouTube. And I guess he totally confirmed this. But he couldn't be bothered to post a link. He was just there. Just confirmed that "his side" is correct. And all he has to do is copy and paste the link. But he doesn't.
Why is that? Could it be because in fact he is full of shit and there isn't a clear video proving his point? I mean, I spent 5 minutes or so FFing through a bunch of you tube videos, and found nothing conclusive.
I actually agree that the glass in the Pelosi video doesn't seem too suspicious. But notice that Mike, who always pretends to be helping, is in fact doing the opposite. He is merely here to stir up shit. Like the troll he is.
Ignorance of the evidence isn't very surprising if you only read Alt-Right sources of information--in fact it is more or less guaranteed.
Good luck with that.
Assume they are lying if you can think of a benefit for the lie.
Nice attempt at cover up.
You assholes swallowed every conspiracy theory the government put out about covid.
Go fuck yourselves.
Nearly 100% of what leftists believe and promote is imaginary.
The complete psychosis of the left is astounding, and extremely dangerous.
The House Speaker's husband was attacked by a crazy home intruder. Why is Donald Trump pretending otherwise?
Wasn't the left spending the last week pretending that the "crazy home intruder" was a Trump-crazed MAGA Country conservative bent on assassinating Nancy Pelosi?
Also, that's a weird picture to use for an article about conspiracy theories.
to be fair.... it can be hard to tell the difference sometimes.
only to a pig-faced cunt like you, you fucking cunt
"But it's now perfectly obvious what happened to Paul Pelosi"
Forgive us if we take this account of what happened with a grain of salt. How many stories were we told by MSM, with law enforcement as the source that later turned out to be false?
Maybe the embarrassment of these conspiracy theories should be on journalist/media and law enforcement more than the right, for causing many people to no longer trust their stories.
See Rubio canvassar story. The media immediately claimed there was only one attacker and it wasn't politically motivated. Based on the initial report. Then video and further police reports came out showing 2 attackers, 2 dogs, and it being politically motivated.
Weird Robbie didn't jump on that conspiracy.
"MSM" in the case of the Depappe "underwear hoax" being a local Fox TV station--real shocker, that.
You can't trust any news source. So what's your point?
If you have the ability to test the information your receive and filter the lies from the truth, eventually you will come to a conclusion. Trust that.
As more evidence appears it is indeed becoming more and more "obvious" to me what happened to Paul Pelosi, yet many people here seem to have stopped enquiring and examining facts and evidence after their first impressions had been formed. Some of them are probably genuinely incurious; others are simply gaming.
You do realize that local fox affiliates have little in common with your hated bogeyman and much more with the local community, right?
Idiot.
Low-quality is low-quality. US TV "infotainment" is mostly of a very low quality these days, where sloppy reporting and sensationalism are the rule, not the exception.
Bias is a separate issue.
“Embarrassment”? Hardly. Everyone knew that the left would blame it on “ultra maga”, so why not get out ahead of it, and have some fun at the same time?
Robbie needs to get a sense of humor.
So, conservatives implying that it may have been a gay hookup gone wrong is totally beyond the pale. But, progressives using it as a blood libel against conservatives isn't worthy of mention.
Sorry conservative skepticism causes you so much embarrassment in the progressive cocktail circuit.
You don't believe the police anymore? Maybe we should defund them?
Sure. Because the only options are "Defund the Police" (but, still forbid people from arming themselves or using force in self-defense) or blind acceptance of their every pronouncement.
Give Heraclitus a break; he's a lying pile of lefty shit with a low two-digit IQ.
We should defund the democrats.
Have you ever been here before? We have NEVER trusted the police. That's why we want to SEE THE EVIDENCE OURSELVES.
You can't handle the evidence!!!!!!!
The FBI is involved now, they'll be deciding what you can and cannot see.
Peasant.
At this point the whole episode is so weird I'm suspecting that the FBI may have been involved the entire time, if you know what I mean.
He has. Lying about his opponents positions appears to be part of his schtick.
But concerns about Musk will become more sympathetic if he makes a habit of spreading easily debunked conspiracy theories.
"there might be more to this story" is not a conspiracy, and even so is not easily debunked, because there is more to the story.
But Lonnie didn't just say, "there might be more to this story", he also included a hyperlink to a Santa Monica Observer story which contained several conspiracy theories relating to the event.
Had he not included that link, no, he would not have been spreading conspiracy theories.
Another day, another Reason Editor carrying water for their progressive overlords. Talk about embarrassing.
Would love to see a Mises Caucus takeover of Reason. If I wanted the DNC talking points, I’d go to Slate or Vox.
^Facts!
Now do Waukesha.
That poor innocent man being railroaded by White Supremacists for the actions of a vehicle. It's outrageous.
A MAGA vehicle trying to frame him! Because TRUMP!
Great reporting, Robby.
Let's see; first, we are supposed to believe 'the narrative' because DePape, an eyewitness, says so.
Next (as in the next paragraph), we are told this by an ex-girlfriend; "He is mentally ill," she said. "He has been mentally ill for a long time."
WTF?
What, the words of the mentally ill can NEVER be believed? "Mentally ill" is a pretty darned ill-defined thing to start with! Do YOU trust Government Almighty to define "mentally ill", and then to have the power to ignore all of their testimonies?
This seems to be a sore spot for you. Were you ever diagnosed/misdiagnosed with mental illness?
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is King!
Even a she-male can be King! Grow a functioning eyeball, ye Necrophiliac Perfect She-Male!
In that case, what's the one eye? The snake?
Jake, the one-eyed trouser snake! Shake the snake!
(Years ago I learned to NOT let Jake, the one-eyed trouser snake, do my thinking for me! I use my other, slightly larger head for that! Jake may be large, but not THAT large!)
Well, you’ve got the shit eater’s attention.
As the blog post above mentions, Pelosi gave the same narrative and physical evidence supports the same narrative. Nobody is relying solely on the word of the crazy person.
Yeah, but pelosi is crazy.
So in your world Thanos literally snapped half of the universe out of existence, we have a document that says so and everyone involved agreed to the written document. Do you not even comprehend that this could just be them putting out a convenient narrative, a fiction if you will.
The document says he killed the entirety of the universe to impress death. The movie was doctored.
1. Because the stories don't add up.
2. Because it bothers you. Seriously, half of this is just trolling the Left.
3. Because you guys keep insisting that it's a far right extremist extremisised by the extremely extreme rhetoric of the extreme far right extremists.
4. Because it's Pelosi - who has an history of problems not breaking the law - and probably had an argument with his gay prostitute over drugs.
Wow, you just owned the libs! Which is kinda odd thing to do in this forum, because Soave isn't a liberal and Reason isn't liberal.
Everyone at Reason is leftist. The proof is in the articles.
Criticism of Republicans is leftist. Criticism of both sides is leftist. Even criticism of Democrats is leftist, unless it is accompanied by praise for Republicans. Since you never see articles praising Republicans while condemning Democrats, you know Reason is leftist.
Don't you know the rules?
Neat how neither of you two chucklefucks addressed what Agammamon wrote, instead retreating into your self-pitying narratives.
This is exactly what you constantly bitch about other people doing to you, but you're the main perpetrators.
I knew it wouldn’t be long before Captain Crybaby (AKA Drinky McDumbass) put in an appearance to whine and cry about the po’ little lambs that make up the Reason staff.
Shouldn’t you be sleeping it off in a pool of your own vomit?
"because Soave isn’t a liberal"
Soave was one of the few guys Fauci agreed to do an interview with. It is not because he is hella-libertarian.
That is some of the most bizarrely weak argument I’ve ever seen.
Soave and Reason are both progressives, pretending to be libertarian.
Robby, you haven't even done half the reporting that Michael Shellenberger has, especially, on the ground and actually interviewing people. I'm utterly stunned you didn't mention him and his investigation even once.
https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1586375368407076866?cxt=HHwWhMCqpcP_94MsAAAA
Shellenberger obviously wrote that several days ago--before it was discovered that Depappe has been living in a converted garage in Richmond for the past two years. What his Berkeley ex-girfriend's bumper stickers say (and since when has 9-11 troofing been a predominantly leftwing pursuit?) is so 2020.
He's been doing the investigating on the ground. Neither you nor Robby (are you just a sock for Robby?) have.
He spoke to neighbors of Depape's ex-girlfriend/babymom on the 28th or 29th. What's he done since? Has he ever gone to Richmond and interviewed Depape's actual neighbors?
Then what's your reporting/research on it, sockie-boy? Have you done anything, or are you just here to push the official narrative?
I'm not a reporter, nor do I live in the USA.
The "reporter" you're promoting here (three guesses why you chose him, lol) does not appear to have followed up after his initial interviews in Berkeley. If he were really much of an investigator, don't you think he'd want to interview some of the people who knew Depape where he actually lived, in Richmond, these past couple of years?
and since when has 9-11 troofing been a predominantly leftwing pursuit?)
Since 9-12-2001.
Yep, led by Alex Jones, that prominent left-winger...
There are few things more revealing about a person's character than the venom they spew upon knowing of the death of (or I guess harm to) someone with opinions about which they disagreed.
What are you talking about? This is life or death here. If the Democrats win then it will be the end of the world as we know it. That's why true libertarians wish death upon Democrats. If you don't lust for a purge where you get to murder your Democrat neighbors, then you're not a true libertarian.
Is this where I post all your threats again?
You do understand that Darth Brandon and his retarded wokie puppeteers are pushing us headlong towards a nuclear exchange with Russia, right?
Oh, wait. I forgot…….. “But TRUMP!”
I agree. The response of "That makes you a right wing bigot!" in response to "There's probably more to this story than we know." is one of the few things that is more revealing.
Exactly. So what if everyone involved is saying the same story? Trust Trump. He knows what really happened.
Per Robby's example: everyone was saying the same story about Smollett, so believe Jussie.
When I said “everyone” I didn’t mean the media. I meant the perp, victim and cops. The ones who are actually involved.
Aw, what do they know? Listen to Trump.
When I said "Smollett", I meant for a little over two weeks, the victim, the perps, the cops, the DA, and major media, were all on the same page.
Trump's not here man.
I don't know, whining about the end of the world it pretty revealing also, asshole
We know about your character, Know-Nothing.
If somebody's first move is to attack their rivals, forgive the rivals for not sending their regards. Democrats and the press (but I repeat myself) immediately blamed Republicans for an attack that did not involve them in any way, shape, or form.
Oh dear, the Pelosis might not be able to profit massively off inside information for a few days. The horrors!
I guess that means a new gofundme for Poor Paul
I have considered the Pelosis to be deplorable and corrupt for many years. Why should that change now?
I wish Paul Pelosi a quick recovery. Then, I’d like to see him go to prison, or at least have a long, healthy, and miserable life.
"The House Speaker's husband was attacked by a crazy home intruder. Why is Donald Trump pretending otherwise?"
Because Trump is an asshole.
Because Trump is an EGOTISTICAL ATTENTION-SEEKING asshole.
(More news at 11:00!!!)
I stand corrected.
Or maybe he’s just not a credulous democrat idiot that believes whatever pablum is being forced down his throat. Especially in the face of obvious bullshit.
Goddamn, you’re so fucking pathetic.
Except that he's really right. About everything. Immigration, trade, the steal, and now this. Don't you dare question him. That's blasphemy.
Is there ANY declarative statement that isn't blasphemy to one or the other faction of The Looter Kleptocracy?
You used to expect the left to be knee-jerk, emotional children when anyone criticized their team, while being able to have sensible discussions with the right.
Not anymore. Anyone who disagrees with your team is not only on the other team, but supports whatever it is about the other team that you disagree with the most.
More disappointing is that Musk repeated the conspiracy theory.
I've never been a Musk fan boy, but I did go from regarding as Musk is kind of a buffoon, to thinking he's OK. Not ready to give up on him yet, but it was an asshole move on his part.
I like Musk because he truly doesn't give a whit about what people think about him. Not just because he has "fuck you" money. He got the "fuck you" money (in part) by not caring what people think.
An electrical engineer named Tony Heller is good at exposing anti-energy lies and propaganda. Naturally he is shunned by defenders of totalitarian slavery. That very fact, rather than the cogency of his reporting on energy, attracted mystical defenders of totalitarian slavery who--like Hitler rather than Stalin--spout praises of their 2000-year-old dead male companion. By osmosis? social pressure? Patreon? the guy adopted girl-bullying prohibitionism as the One True Faith and is an embarrassment to producers of energy. Sigh...
What are you even trying to say?
I dunno, but this huge wall of grey boxes is fucking hilarious. 😀
Did he repeat a conspiracy theory, or just say that there might be more to the story? If the latter, then I don't see how it is unreasonable. There is usually more to any story, especially one as weird as this. I see no reason to disbelieve the story from Pelosi and crazy dude at this point. But who the fuck knows? Everyone's been trying to spin it to their advantage.
He didn't do the latter. He said, "gee, I dunno", at the same time as he hyperlinked to a fake news website full of "Depappe-the-gay-prostitute" conspiracy theories.
Now I've read the link. It seems like Musk may have been responding more to the people saying DePape was some kind of far right type (the tweet was in response to Hillary Clinton). Which seems rather far fetched. More accurate I think would be to say he is a far left activist who has a rather tenuous grip on reality and is susceptible to all kinds of paranoid ideas about the world.
And then he deleted his tweet. Why?
"If a deranged leftist had broken into the home of a conservative political figure or Supreme Court justice, you can bet they would be singing a different tune"
Deranged leftists HAVE SHOT AT conservatives and you fuckers, at best, shrugged your shoulders and a lot cheered.
Fuck 'em if they can't take being laughed at.
How much more are we going to tolerate from the left? We should have gotten rid of them a long time ago.
I assume you are referring to the baseball field shooting.
Who here cheered? Cite?
Go read the Rand Paul neighbor cheering. Start with Pelosis daughter.
They STILL cheer his neighbor's assault on him. Tell me more about this civility bullshit, progs.
Why would the test be that people “here”cheered? Did people here “cheer” this attack? Or is Laursen setting up a different standard to judge the left from judging the right? Certainly this article doesn’t reference cheering by anyone.
Always test the underlying standards to judge the e honesty of the commenter. This is a fail, as usual.
"Deranged leftists HAVE SHOT AT conservatives "
Not merely shot at, but shot and seriously wounded them.
But that wasn't politically motivated violence. A drug addled homeless illegal alien in his underwear armed with only a hammer is clearly politically motivated violence.
Also, if you want us to accept the narrative you need to stop changing it hourly.
Hourly? He changes it between the last two sentences. "It's wise to wait for all the facts to be revealed. But the facts are in and judgement is clear."
Before the "facts" were "revealed" the Democrat talking points memo was out, and major party members were blaming the Republicans for causing this lunatic to become violent.
This was like, a day and a half ago, so the news cycle seems to have moved on. But every source, on message, repeated that shit. Total bait to get people angry and responding so they could chastise them for it.
Total BLM style maneuver. Burly guys throw bottles of piss at you and call you names, when you come to confront them they shove all the girls to the front of the mob and take a video of that so it looks like you're attacking girls. Just edit the video so the first part is no longer there and you're a victim.
Yeah, maybe the “gay hookup gone bad” story, while funny, is not the truth.
But I’d say it’s far more likely that this nut is a far left activist who is pissed that Nancy is not far enough left to his liking than him being animated by “ultra maga” election denial.
This is the creature the left has wrought. Which is also funny.
He appears to have quite a number of "not-quite-mainstream" views:
"In late August, DePape became engrossed in the decision by Twitter to ban Jordan Peterson for his posts about transgender people. The Canadian psychologist turned conservative podcaster had once said that being transgender was comparable to “satanic ritual abuse.”
DePape published six posts in support of Peterson and then continued with his own caustic takes on transgender people, saying they should not be a protected group. “They were not BORN a freak. They are not INHERENTLY a freak threw no fault of their own. … They are CHOOSING to be FREAKS,” he wrote in one post.
In the last week of September, as the Justice Department filed a motion seeking to compel former Trump adviser Peter Navarro to return government emails, DePape blogged his take: “No evidence of election fraud. Any journalist saying that should be dragged straight out into the street and shot.”"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2022/10/29/david-depape-blog-pelosi-fairies/
Why would I want you to "accept the narrative"?
This place would be a lot less fun if you guys weren't so twisted and whingey.
Who the fuck asked you?
It's a free country.
Why did the left pretend the Rubio canvasser attack was by a single person and not politically motivated?
>>used a hammer to break into the Pelosi residence
ya this part didn't happen bro.
Oh, were you there?
"DEPAPE stated that he broke into the house through a glass door, which was a difficult task that required the use of a hammer."
Federal criminal complaint, page 5.
We're you there?
Depape was there.
He was found there by the police.
He admitted being there.
He explained why he was there.
Which part of this is difficult to understand?
the rest of it that belies he broke in with a hammer
Explain.
Depape admitted that he broke in with a hammer:
"DEPAPE stated that he broke into the house through a glass door, which was a difficult task that required the use of a hammer."
federal criminal complaint, page 5
ya I can read it's everything else that says DePape was ushered in by his friend Paul and everything ensuing after belying the federal criminal complaint, page 5
are you Peter Strzok?
Okay, so you're saying the police are lying, because Depape didn't actually say that he broke in with a hammer?
Or are you saying Depape is lying, because he didn't actually break in with a hammer?
Or maybe both? You seemed so confident, too...
The House Speaker’s husband was attacked by a crazy home intruder. Why is Donald Trump pretending otherwise?
So, I'm not the only one that Robby's carrying water convinces affirms other narratives, right? Even the parallels he draws, Smollett, Rittenhouse, Sandman don't make sense. Smollett's attack had no direct video evidence, like Pelosi's attack, and turned out to be a hoax. And, even then, is still defended as 'noble lies' in many circles. Rittenhouse and Sandman's incidents had video evidence plainly available and still took weeks of trial to exonerate and, again, are *still* slandered as right-wing, white-supremacist extremism. Hunter's laptop and Ashli's diary are *still* suffering deliberate "fog of fake hoax" obfuscation.
Even an objective agreement with Robby's penultimate sentence belies the ultimate sentence.
I'd also inquire why there was no security at all at the home of the number 3 person in the line of succession. It's not like they cannot afford it.
Where has it been established there “was no security at all”?
Why would he need to call 911 and wait for the cops if there was security?
Damn mike, I used to think you got a little too much hate around here.
Why is it obvious Paul Pelosi was attacked? Because he says so? Meanwhile, the Capitol Police had a live video feed at the house but didn't notice a break in.
https://justthenews.com/government/congress/us-capitol-police-had-live-video-feed-pelosi-home-didnt-notice-break-sources?utm_source=breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter
How exactly did this guy break in but the Capitol police watching the house via live video police not notice? Maybe they were asleep at their desks. That is certainly possible. Or maybe they were not, and the guy didn't break in but was let into the house. Whatever the answer, it is hardly obvious.
Look Robby, just because your gay hooker encounters have all ended well doesn't mean that Paul Pelosi's do.
>>but the Capitol police watching the house via live video
the dude living in the bus totally virused the live video feed
It something right out of Oceans 11 man.
DePape is The.Real.Jason.Bourne
"How exactly did this guy break in but the Capitol police watching the house via live video police not notice?"
Hey flaming genius Einstein! There are BUTT-TONS AND BILLIONS of security cameras... PREPARE yourself for this now!... Which go UN-MONITORED BY HUMANS, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE TIME, in real time! Whose data-products are stored mostly for later examination, and VERY rarely watched live!
Hey dipshit, they have the video. Not only did they not see any break-in, the video shows there was no break in.
Try again. You fucking crazy bastard.
Did the video cover every square inch of the house for, like, 24 hours before the break-in? Robbers can break in and hide, ya know… It is often near-impossible to prove a negative!
It is often near-impossible, also, to persuade bullshitters to PROVIDE A FUCKING CITATION for what they say!!!! (Or are you ASSerting that you were there personally watching THE WHOLE FUCKING HOUSE for 24 hours before the incident?)
From your link: "Alive security video feed at the home of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi caught the suspect in the recent assault on her husband Paul Pelosi, but no one from the U.S. Capitol Police was watching, sources told Just the News."
NOTHING in there ANYWHERE in your link saying that the video feed did NOT see that break-in happening!!! You're JUST making shit up! WHAT an utter SURPRISE!!!
You didn't say that you do NOT love Hitler! This PROVES that you LOVE Hitler!
yeah, because the guy used a teleporter and teleported himself right to the window. That is why he isn't seen walking up to the house or anything.
You called it you crazy fucking bastard. You are just deranged.
Hey Hitler-lover…
You didn’t say that you do NOT love Hitler! This PROVES that you LOVE Hitler!
Also, maybe the TV camera wasn't PERFECT IN ALL WAYS EVERYWHERE AT ALL TIMES like You Are, Oh Perfect One? Also note that the TV cameras ARE known to be utter pieces of SHIT, because they have NOT yet invented anti-gravity!
Yes, because all-caps is a great way to get your point across. Just change the subject on the first line and use Godwin's Law. BTW, that means you lost the argument.
Hey Hitler-lover…
You didn’t say that you do NOT love Hitler! AND the TV camera did NOT catch you saying that you do NOT love Hitler, either! This PROVES that you LOVE Hitler!
Nanny-nanny-boo-bah! (See, I can communicate using low-brow lingo and "logic" just ass well ass Trump-lovers and Hitler-lovers can.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
OK then... The TV camera did NOT catch you saying that you do NOT love Stalin, either! This PROVES that you LOVE Stalin!
Lol. Poor SQRLSY.
How did they not notice? It's right in the story you linked: no one was watching at the time. How hard is that to follow?
If the feed shows any of the incident it will no doubt be made available to Depappe's defense team at the appropriate time, but since he's already admitted that he broke into the house via the glass door, it won't really shed much light on anything.
"DEPAPE stated that he broke into the house through a glass door, which was a difficult task that required the use of a hammer."
federal criminal complaint, page 5
For the record, the glass door that's broken is in the back, hard to reach unless one scales a fence or a wall. The main front door has no broken glass.
Read the whole complaint. It makes no sense. Granted Depape is a lunatic. Then we get this
DEPAPE stated that they went downstairs to the front door. The police arrived and knocked on the door, and Pelosi ran over and opened it. Pelosi grabbed onto DEPAPE’s hammer, which was in DEPAPE’s hand. At this point in the interview, DEPAPE repeated that DEPAPE did not plan to surrender and that he would go “through” Pelosi
So, Pelosi opened the door for the cops and then turned around and got into a struggle for the hammer? He didn't let the cops do it?
Bullshit. There is no way that happened.
Agreed, there's just no way that happened. Someone is starting the coverup, and it's a shitty coverup. They make no sense with the initial reports, the psychosis that Depape had, and what is known/suspected of Paul Pelosi.
And who the fuck is this Sosococomofo anyway? A fucking sock for some dipshit?
The video will probably be released shortly. It usually is in these kinds of situations, and the police have admitted that it exists. That means they couldn't hide it from Depape's lawyers even if they wanted to. The truth will out.
Not that it will help--the goalposts will just be moved again, like conspiracists usually do.
New troll/50 center from what I observe. Cropped up not too long ago, has all the same dumb opinions, same smug attitude as the rest. Doesn't support arguments, does gaslight, make unsupportable assertions, ad hominems, the behavior one would expect. And, a dipshit in its own right.
Ka-ching.
I'm gonna be rich!
one word. donuts
I do not know what happened there for what reason, but what was a rather suspicious episode got tidied up between the initial presser and what we got Monday.
1) "...The glass was broken in the direction of a break-in, not a break-out..."
Bullshit. For some reason, most of the images have gone missing, but a diligent search will lead you to:
https://ussanews.com/2022/10/29/photos-of-crime-scene-show-pelosi-assailant-gained-entry-to-home-through-shattered-glass-door/
The glass is clearly broken toward the outside.
2) When asked the identity of the person, Pelosi reportedly said 'David, a friend'.
3) Supposedly, he called from a bathroom, after getting permission from the guy - a home invasion with a potty break.
4) Police noticed the guy and Pelosi struggling over the hammer, and yet someone opened the door for the cops.
5) The media is not above hiding uncomfortable facts (the laptop, for example).
Again, I don't know what happened there, but a healthy dose of skepticism is certainly warranted here.
In fairness to Robby, he likely has a lot of experience with gay hookers. So, if he says this guy wasn't a gay hooker, he does have some credibility in saying it. More than I have. It sure doesn't look like a break-in to me either.
1) “…The glass was broken in the direction of a break-in, not a break-out…”
"Glass pattern breakage analysis is unreliable science, even when performed by forensic experts, and shouldn't be allowed at trial. Unless it perfunctorily shows that DePape broke *in* to Pelosi's residence, and then it should be used as proof in the court of public opinion about right-wing extremists." - Reason
"I like to make shit up." - Casually Mad
Fuck off and die, spastic asshole.
The Squirrel has been "cleaning up" after tweakers. Gettin' high off chewin' them turds.
Only thing that explains the burst of activity.
Simple stupidity might well suffice. The spastic asshole has never shown an intelligence beyond what we'd hope of a 5th-grade kid.
If the spastic asshole were sufficiently intelligent to experience embarrassment, he'd be long gone from here.
He isn't; fuck off and die, spastic asshole. Make your family proud and mark your grave so we all know where to take a piss, you pathetic piece of lefty shit
Look, there’s a lot of claims that don’t add up coming from both sides of the political fence regarding the Paul Pelosi attack. That’s why I’m going to wait until the non-partisan FBI releases their final report on the event before I jump to any conclusions.
Unless of course they decide the public doesn’t need to know for another 66 years, that is.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fbi-asks-court-66-years-release-seth-rich-laptop-information
“A home invasion with a potty break.”
Lol. This story is so much fun.
Robbie's report on the a vile assault at the hands of a mentally ill, homeless man named... Donald Trump? Nope. Back up... this is a different mentally ill guy, NOT the one who twice lost the popular vote and was finally evicted kicking and screaming by the electoral college--surrounded by mentally ill mystical mobsters decked out in Cartman Coon-buffalo drag. Robbie may have set his expectations a little high. Trumpanzees are not good at forensics, causation, inference or understanding. But videos do show they are as good at breaking and entering as any of their Antifa Kleptocracy buddies.
Look Shreek got a new handle.
More than just myself shun your Trump Cult.
Nailed it.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled pile of shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Except you spend all day here hanging out with Trump cultists.
You know you can just read the articles and move on. Most people do.
Now you're accusing any new person with a potentially libertarian point of view of being a sock for someone already in the comments!
Great job!
You're fitting in here by calling people names and accusing newcomers of being socks.
Only one thing is missing. When you say things about people and they disagree, you need to say they are liars. That way there's no conversation or exchange of ideas. You just shout at people and shout over them when they respond.
Once you start doing that you will have fully assimilated.
Because they post the same stupid shit that shreek does. It was obvious it was him and he as much as admitted it above.
Right. Because only one person could possibly think that way.
Well two.
Libertariantranslator is actually Hank.
Clicking his name leads to his webpage: https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/who-is-hank-phillips/
I've been reading that guy's posts and I don't think he's a sock. A bit of a goof, but not a sock.
The sock accusations definitely get carried away. When I first got here alphabet soup was accused of being sqrlsy. I don’t think so. I do think there are a few socks, but I don’t care.
And sqrlsy is insane, not just “a bit of a goof”.
At one point it was canon in these comments that I ran sarc, jeff, SQRLY and SPB. Apparently I was (still am depend on who you ask) a Reason employee who never slept. Just churned out comments under a half a dozen handles day and night. Why? Because some brains can't comprehend the concept of more than one person disagreeing with them in the same way.
The hilarious thing there is the idea that anyone could write SQRLSY's stuff but SQRLSY. I wouldn't know where to begin to write in his style.
Maybe not a style guide, exactly, but detailed jumping-off points and topics (links too) can be found here!
“Do-gooder derogation” (look it up) is a socio-biologically programmed instinct. SOME of us are ethically advanced enough to overcome it, using benevolence and free will! For details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .
I’m always amused when the self-admitted troll criticizes other people for not being interested in an exchange of ideas. The only principle sarc has is never to apply to himself a standard he judges others by.
Nah, that's Hank Phillips. Whole different kind of nutty.
Nah, that's Babblin' Hank.
So Kiddie Raper is doing a Hank Phillips impersonation?
Who's house are you planning to raid?
What about the dirty pics on Hunter Biden's laptop?
It's proof. Of something.
How much CT have wingnuts conjured up?
More than I can list here.
You mean the laptop you were lying, and claiming was fake for like a year? You mean that one?
Everyone already figured you and Joe Biden are members of the same child porn sites on the dark web. It is really nothing to be proud of. In fact, you should probably stop bragging about it.
I never claimed it was fake, you dumb POS.
I claimed it means nothing. It just gives wingnuts another excuse to invent a nontroversy.
10% for the big guy. You're doing great
You're just jealous you can't see them, you wanker.
1) It didn’t happen
2) It happened but it doesn’t mean anything <—- You are here.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled shitpile, a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar. If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental. turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
referring to hunter biden's laptop as if it's a conspiracy theory.
chef's kiss on that one bro. you're doing great.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled shitpile, akiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
There is a very old saying in politics that goes "if it takes more than 30 seconds for you to explain your argument, you have lost the argument."
That saying is largely true. That is what is so great about this. The Democrats really thought they could spin this as some kind of evil ultra MAGA attack. So, they publicized the hell out of the attack and their long winded explanation of how some nudist in San Fransisco was inspired to attack the Pelosi home by January 6th or whatever.
Meanwhile, the Right took one look at this and said, "his gay hooker got pissed off over him welching". It is pretty obvious who is going to win that argument in the public mind.
No wonder Soave is all pissy about it. This is supposed to be about the evil Ultra MAGA threat not about the long standing and credible rumor that Paul Pelosi is queer as hell.
Once again, the left can't meme.
The funny thing is, if they'd taken even half a breath before speaking, there's a Russian, minor-abusing scapegoat *right fucking there*.
But it's now perfectly obvious what happened to Paul Pelosi, and pretending otherwise is ghoulish.
He became the latest victim of a violent far left wing lunatic. Of course your fellow Block Yomommatards in the media initially tried to paint him as a pro-Trump QAnon guy, but that bullshit narrative fell apart within about a day. All it took was a real reporter taking pictures of his "residence" and talking to a few of his neighbors.
By the way, in an earlier day and age, this psychopath would almost certainly have been kept in a secure psychiatric trestment facility where he clearly belongs, but we shut all those down, didn't we? One of the worst policy decisions of my lifetime for sure. If DePape was where he belonged, Paul Pelosi's drunk-ass old brains wouldn't have gotten whacked with a hammer, would they?
This whole thing is "embarrassing to the right". Robby is so concerned about how the right looks to the rest of the world.
That or maybe it is anything but embarrassing to the right and Robby is just concern trolling. How about that?
You really think the Berkeley nudist story/photos came after the Richmond "frenlyfrens" story/photos?
Bless.
How did the guy get in the neighborhood? Its a gated community. He would have needed to have permission. Subpoena the gate guard shack video feed.
Are you sure? I'm pretty sure the Pelosis live on a regular, old San Francisco street.
It is. Normandie Terrace and Broadway: https://goo.gl/maps/8Uz8RwV1t1EetExy7
Pretty good sized house too at 3,332 SF, built 1938. 4 bed/3 bath, basement.
Here's an image of the house that Google forgot to blur out: https://goo.gl/maps/yRLqQJQFnzJ4XmfL6
Lotta security cameras. Looks like there are cameras covering every outside wall.
Shouldn't be ANY trouble getting the video of him breaking in.
Monitored by the US Capitol Police:
U.S. Capitol Police had live video feed at Pelosi home but didn't notice break-in: Sources
Which means there was no break-in. I’ll wager that their residence is full of cameras and security up the wazoo. And you can see what the house looks like in my links above.
It's not gated.
Who told you that?
An overwhelming amount of evidence supports the official narrative, and thus it is indefensible to propose zanier ideas about what might have happened.
And this from a “libertarian” publication.
You can’t stop the signal, little buddy. But I’m sure those that create and that are invested in “the official narrative” appreciate your effort.
You should be ashamed of yourself. Find a different profession.
"It is indefensible to question the official narrative"
That really sums up Reason in the gay Fonzi era, doesn't it?
Yup 🙁
Surely you are aware of the standard libertarian distinction that taking the position that something should be legal does not imply it is ethical or wise behavior.
How would not believing the official narrative be illegal exactly?
Notice how Laursen challenges essentially every statement from the right even if he has to make embarrassingly illogical arguments to do so. Then compare that to how exacting he is defending the left. The differing standards applied shows who he considers his Allie’s vs opponents. This is also what makes every judgement he makes unreliable.
I don’t see anything unethical about speculating about Pelosi’s sex life.
The only reason we’re are talking about this at all is because the left is trying to turn this into a big story and won’t shut up about it. Most people would otherwise just notice that even rich Democrats can’t escape the consequences of their bad policies and move on.
People shouldn't fall for Soave's low-energy baiting here. Things that MTG and company say on Twitter are not "the Right". Soave is trying to paint everyone to the right of Soave as a conspiracy monger.
Soave can go fuck himself.
What? MTG, for example, is clearly a member of the right. Therefore, when she says something stupid or offensive, it is embarrassing to the right.
Besides, "and company", includes the most prominent member of the right, former President Donald Trump.
It's still a cheap and lazy tactic for arguing. Find someone on the right saying something crazy and say "see, the right is crazy!". MTG is certainly on the right politically, but she doesn't represent the right.
And yes, people on the right do the same thing sometimes.
But it's always bullshit. If one is arguing honestly, they should go find the person making the best argument for the opposing side, not the craziest.
The fact that it is impossible for you to think of human relationships other than in tribal terms is your shortcoming. It’s really because you’re a little fascist deep inside.
Yes, the homeless, drug-addled illegal alien living in Berkeley with his rainbow flag and his BLM posters is OBVIOUSLY right-wing.
OBVIOUSLY.
Why, if he were left-wing, that might just send a foundation-shattering blow through the Democrats and their entire schtick.
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/why-the-pelosi-story-matters
Who opened the door for the cops if Pelosi snd DePape were fighting over the hammer?
Maybe they left the front door unlocked. It's not like they live in a neighborhood where locking your front door is mandatory.
The cops said someone in the house opened the door.
someone
How many people live in the Pelosi house? Why is this person not identified?
The current claim has Pelosi opening the door, while he holds onto the hammer?
Remember the image of Nixon's secretary re-enacting how she erased 18 minutes of the tape?
Did Pelosi open the front door with a a broken skull? Or did DePape break his skull after the police arrived?
Not just holding the hammer, fighting a gay nudist half his age for the hammer. Paul Pelosi is a superhero!
They live in urban SF - locking the door is what urban-dwellers do.
Exactly. Hence the now-missing third man. They have a gate to get to the back of the house from there where the door with the broken glass is. That door is on a patio that's gated from the street and would require scaling a wall to get to from the street.
The cameraman?
Hitler?
"DEPAPE stated that they went downstairs to the front door. The police arrived and knocked on the door, and Pelosi ran over and opened it. Pelosi grabbed onto DEPAPE’s hammer, which was in DEPAPE’s hand."
federal criminal complaint, page 6
I suspect the federal complaint is much changed from what the cops actually saw when they got there. I'll trust the initial reports in this case, thankyouverymuch. It's the Speaker's house, and I suspect there are details that she may not want out in public (not that it matters much - they're kind of open secrets anyway).
The police have stated that there is bodycam video of their initial interaction with Depape and Pelosi. It will probably be released soon.
And it will almost certainly show the police arriving, knocking on the door, which is then opened from the inside by one of the two persons they saw there after the door was opened. None of the statements contradict that (not even the one you've obviously misinterpreted to think a "mystery third person" opened the door).
How nice. And we’ll look at that video of and when it comes out and draw our own conclusions.
So far, Democrats falsely tried to spin this as a MAGA Republican attack on Pelosi, when the attacker turned out to be a nudist left wing drug addicted illegal alien.
Depape seems to have been a lot of things, but thus far we know with a high degree of confidence what he told the police, and we also know (a small portion of) what he's posted on social media, which includes typical "left-wing" references to anti-semitism, QAnon, 2020 election denial and trans"phobia".
WaPo had a story on the alleged Depape sites: https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2022/10/29/david-depape-blog-pelosi-fairies/
The article doesn't show what was posted to the sites in approximately 100 posts made during October, but quotes some excerpts, such as: “No evidence of election fraud. Any journalist saying that should be dragged straight out into the street and shot.”
Oh, and yes, he used to be a Canadian druggie leftist "nudist activist", who apparently didn't like to take his clothes off.
We have second hand reports on the ravings and statement of a mentally ill person and statements from a police department that is in the Pelosi’s pockets.
Personally, I suspect that Paul Pelosi and his security really were as stupid as the official story suggests, but I don’t fault people for engaging in speculation because there is no credible source of information and never will be: Democrats destroyed any credibility government and police used to have.
The real take home lesson is that the Pelosis live in a shithole of their own creation, and that what happened to them is what has happened to millions of Californians under Democratic rule. And the second take-home lesson for Democrats is that if you destroy the credibility of government and the media with endless self-serving lies and propaganda, don't complain when people don't believe them anymore.
That seems a bit vague.
Isn’t it revealing Soave can unqualifiedly criticize the right for their errors but can’t bring himself to criticize leftists who claim the attack was by a “MAGA” Republican? In fact he seems to repeat that debunked assertion when he frames the opposite hypothetical as a crazed leftist.
He has internalized the Reason Principle that leftist errors are just mistakes indicative of nothing at all while any right side error is the result of a deeper pathology.
"...can’t bring himself to criticize leftists who claim the attack was by a “MAGA” Republican? In fact he seems to repeat that debunked assertion when he frames the opposite hypothetical as a crazed leftist."
Wife had some feed on her computer '...this is all caused by right-wing propaganda on the web!!!!!'
Yeah, on all those 'moderated' social media sites. /sarc.
I am guessing that embarrassment is off the table for MAGA Republicans. They crossed that Rubicon a long time ago. If you can't stand up to a man that insults your wife and your family, you accept just about anything.
There's better links for this out there somewhere, but yeah...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03rFN0Ca-kc
‘You proved that you kiss their ass’ — Take 90 seconds and watch Rep. Tim Ryan eviscerate his GOP Senate opponent J.D. Vance for refusing to stand up to Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell
Butt... The Donald was "just joking"!!!! Of COURSE HE WAS!!! The Donald is NEVER serious when He shits on people!
And I am guessing that blaming MAGA Republicans for Pelosi's bad date isn't embarrassing for you.
Cancer can't be embarrassed
I’m not embarrassed about accusing Paul Pelosi of a tryst with a gay hooker. Whether true or not, why should I be embarrassed about that?
Would you be embarrassed to swear to tell the truth, and then lie, in court? Like your heroic Trump lawyers do? This is a CRIME, you know, and DECENT people do NOT DO this!
https://reason.com/2022/02/11/sidney-powell-disowns-her-kraken-saying-she-is-not-responsible-for-her-phony-story-of-a-stolen-election/ (Yet another Powell article)
https://reason.com/2021/03/23/sidney-powell-says-shes-not-guilty-of-defamation-because-no-reasonable-person-would-have-believed-her-outlandish-election-conspiracy-theory/
Sidney Powell Says She’s Not Guilty of Defamation Because ‘No Reasonable Person’ Would Have Believed Her ‘Outlandish’ Election Conspiracy Theory
Which particular lies are you wanting to hear and believe today, hyper-partisan Wonder Child?
The pieces of evidence they cite in favor of this theory...have all been debunked.
Have they? I am not sure this is the hill you want to die on, Soave. You'll forgive me if the loose association of mainstream media and its underlings in the Democrat Party, that has put forth numerous, conflicting versions of the events, that initially accused the right of instigating the attack, and that now tries to ridicule anyone who does not accept the latest version of the attack as the absolute truth, does not get my absolute trust.
Never change.
With Russiagate, Peegate, Pelosi's DUI, COVID, BLM, and lots and lots of other events, Democrats and progressives have destroyed the credibility of the corporate media and governmental institutions (including the SFPD). Don't complain now that people are coming up with their own theories.
Please tell us all (as we wait with bated breath) WHAT would gain your absolute trust? If we know WHICH lies you WANT to bleeve, maybe we can humor you!
Maybe Sidney Powell could Powell-Well with us, and help us to reach a cunt-pro-mise?
https://reason.com/2022/02/11/sidney-powell-disowns-her-kraken-saying-she-is-not-responsible-for-her-phony-story-of-a-stolen-election/ (Yet another Powell article)
https://reason.com/2021/03/23/sidney-powell-says-shes-not-guilty-of-defamation-because-no-reasonable-person-would-have-believed-her-outlandish-election-conspiracy-theory/
Sidney Powell Says She’s Not Guilty of Defamation Because ‘No Reasonable Person’ Would Have Believed Her ‘Outlandish’ Election Conspiracy Theory
Which particular lies are you wanting to hear and believe today, hyper-partisan Wonder Child?
Odds of Robby asking for amnesty about convictions arrived at within the first 'two weeks'? 50%.
Currently, the media is reporting they have the voice record of the call and a vid of him breaking in.
Release those and you've made your case. Until then, quit changing the stories.
Alright I shared a link here to the post Musk referenced as a "tiny chance" of an alternative narrative. I didn't endorse the story and neither did Musk. Since then I have read the charging document that I believe became available yesterday. If the description of the interview with Depape is accurate, and I'll assume it is, I don't think it's likely that Pelosi knew this guy. The interview does answer some questions that the vague initial report left hanging i.e. who let the cops in, Pelosi did. Depape is clearly deranged and while the prosecutor is calling the crime politically motivated, I doubt they'll bring MAGA into any legal proceedings.
Having said all of that, there continues to be a disturbing lack of transparency on the part of the government actors. No surveillance footage. No bodycam footage. No explanation for the lack of security. Until they come clean people will continue to distrust the narrative.
Given the media's lap-dog function toward the DNC/D politicos, outright lies (Russki 'collusion', Russki hooker, Biden's laptop, etc) and the lack of transparency here, what is surprising is a lack of skepticism by ANYONE.
And it's not possible the DA and cops are DNC lapdog going with the approved PR narrative and that Depape is agreeing with the charges for a plea given their overwrought terrorist narrative. Nope, not possible at all.
And don't forget the lying Whois. Obviously back-dating the domain registration records to make it look like Depappe registered the frenlyfrens.com website under his own name and at his Richmond garagehome address in September 2022--when we all know this QAnon/conspiracy website was all created last Friday night and deleted on Saturday just to smear MAGA.
QAnon is a Democrat conspiracy theory, so why would they have to change any dates on anything?
Well, then, there sure are a lot of Democrats at MAGA rallies...
Supposedly he was mirandized and the interview was recorded. Doesn't specify if video, audio or both. Presumably they'll be played in a jury trial which could be years from now. Again if the document is accurate this dude is batshit crazy. I don't know how an insanity defense would work in CA but putting him in the general population in a penitentiary might not work out too well.
Paul's at home again
Drinking all alone again
Porsche in the shop...
BANG BANG DePape's metal hammer came down upon his head...
+1...very funny
Well, perhaps you would consider it less embarrassing if Republicans came up with the ludicrous theory that Paul Pelosi received golden showers from Russian prostitutes? Because that's the kind of bullshit Democrats have been spreading, not just on Twitter, but using the power of the federal government.
I would consider it fair payback to spin the story that Paul Pelosi had a 40 year old gay lover, except given the shrew that he is married to and the fact that he is a corrupt drunk, that's more of a compliment than an insult.
In any case, why don't you focus about conspiracy theories and lies that actually matter, like the bullshit Democrats have been pushing on inflation, the Ukraine war, gender, abortion, and climate change?
This is a great point - the power of the state was used to push the pee dossier and that was ok with these people - as evidenced by the fact that no one is held accountable for pushing a lie they knew to be a lie.
Fuck 'em if they can't take being laughed at.
Reason in general and Robbie in particular were pretty cool with the Kavanaugh conspiracy theories also.
She was just so….credible!
You know who should really be embarassed? Democrats, to include the MSM, who rushed to get this out as an Ultra-Mega-Extreme MAGA domestic terrorist assualt on democracy itself, without having any actual facts about anything. That lead to HUGE gaps in the story that looked like a cover up of some sort, just like Paulie's drunk driving accident.
Nancy Pelosi is shady AF. So is her husband. It's not outside the realm of possibility that something fucked up happened that isn't what's being portrayed in the media, especially when the media is nothing but a propaganda delivery system for the Democrats.
And the story does have holes in it, as others have pointed out. The attacker allowed Pelosi to go to the bathroom, where Pelosi called the police and not only could state the name of the attacker but also referred to him as his “friend”.
But, in the end, it really doesn’t matter. “Accusing” Paul Pelosi of having a young gay lover is hardly much of an accusation for a Democrat (and one who is married to Nancy Pelosi); it’s more of a compliment.
Complaining about such speculation is just self-righteous indignation and an attempt by Democrats to try to score political points and present themselves as the injured party.
If Paulie had a gay lover and the entire democrat apparatus was trying to cover it up, wouldn't that make them anti-LGBT?
Democrats are anti-gay. They have always been. They just keep coming up with rationalizations why their anti-gay views are actually pro-gay. Ditto for racism and sexism.
"Democrats are anti-gay." Highly doubtful!
What is FAR more clear is that Republicans (today, most of them) are anti-democracy!
Well, you can "doubt" it all you want, it's a fact: the support for "trans rights" are anti-gay, as are the long standing opposition to gay marriage by large parts of the Democrat establishment.
What is clear is that Democrats are anti-democracy: you can see that from the laws they are trying to pass, which are trying to undermine and destroy the way that US democracy has worked for most of its history, and which are trying to undermine the safe and secure execution of elections.
I have seen no evidence that Republicans are anti-democracy.
"I have seen no evidence that Republicans are anti-democracy."
May I suggest that you start out by opening your etes?
https://reason.com/2020/12/20/desperate-to-stop-biden-from-taking-office-trump-suggests-military-intervention-voting-machine-seizures-and-appointing-sidney-powell-to-investigate-her-own-fraud-claims/ “Desperate To Stop Biden From Taking Office, Trump Suggests Military Intervention, Voting Machine Seizures, and Appointing Sidney Powell To Investigate Her Own Fraud Claims”… Trump flunkies want to use martial law to hold new elections in swing states that didn’t vote Trump. Use the military to force a do-over where the people didn’t vote for Trump like they were supposed to. Give them a second bite at the apple. And there will be endless do-overs till these wayward slobs do things the RIGHT way, and vote for Der TrumpfenFuhrer!
OK, one more, and then I quit… The below is excellent! It is mostly factual, with VERY little editorializing!
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
The left engages in conspiracy theories all the time, and they practically never get called on it.
For some reason, wild speculation before the facts are in is only “embarrassing conspiracy theorizing” when the right does it.
As a disinterested non-partisan observer I hate to break it to you that the Republicans have taken up the conspiracy theory baton and outrun the Democrats for about five years now.
Don't make me laugh. Based on your postings are a semi-fascist supporting the semi-fascists policies of the Democrats. Whether you identify with them or not is irrelevant.
When they release the video of the Pelosi home's extensive video that is in the Capital police's hands, the bodycam footage, and the recorded confession, Soave's argument will have merit. He hasn't learned a single thing about the lengths the left will go to destroy someone. Pee tape, anyone? Right, doesn't exist.
Ghoulish? Nah, not really. You could argue dumb and juvenile, but no more ghoulish than rushing to, I don't know, paint the perpetrator as some right-wing MAGA head without any evidence. Thank God no one did that, right?
Oh, and Gina Carano's tweet was fuckin' hilarious Lighten up.
"If a deranged leftist had broken into the home of a conservative political figure or Supreme Court justice, you can bet they would be singing a different tune."
A planned assassination of a SCOTUS justice was not a big deal, apparently.
Did they release him? I must have missed that.
I don't live in the US so I have no idea how the US media played it, but it certainly made the news where I live. But I suspect if the event didn't turn into a complete fucking circus like this one has, maybe the Dems didn't immediately rush in with demented conspiracy theories and try to "flood the zone with shit"?
Anyway, I'm just glad these guys (Nicholas John Roske and David DePape) are such incompetent assassins. We should be thankful they're not more like Timothy McVeigh.
Haha. Nice 30 year old reference. They must not have covered that renegade red SUV in your country.
Then STFU about US politics and instead work to improve the shithole you live in (Canada? Europe?)
Lol, I never said I wasn't an American. You can take the girl out of the USA, but you can't take the USA out of the girl, as they say...
So I'm afraid I won't be asking for your permission to comment on US politics.
Typical American expat then.
Obviously you don’t need my permission. Neither do I need anybody’s permission to express my contempt for you.
Classy.
Yes. It's whataboutism, but where's the articles about the Trump/Russia conspiracy theories?
In about 2017?
Embarrassment maybe, but will reason run a retraction if they turn out to be true like some others that we were told were conspiracy theories?
Retractions will be filed under "amnesty "
"An overwhelming amount of evidence supports the official narrative..."
Bullshit. The only reason the official narrative is of a deranged individual with vague political ideas is because conservatives sniffed out an overwhelming amount of evidence to counter the previous official narrative, which was that DePape was some kind of ultra MAGA right wing terrorist and this was Republicans' fault.
The idea that Paul Pelosi was home alone in his San Francisco mansion, with no security, no domestic staff, and an unlocked front door, is ludicrous. This is an ultra wealthy man married to a top politician. Something isn’t adding up.
What actually happened, I don’t know. But let’s be clear: people are speculating because Democrats tried to push the “MAGA violence” story, and that story is clearly bullshit.
Popcorn at the ready.
Where did you get "unlocked front door"?
"DEPAPE stated that they went downstairs to the front door. The police arrived and knocked on the door, and Pelosi ran over and opened it."
federal criminal complaint, page 6
Well, given the severity of his injuries, Pelosi couldn't have run over and opened the front door after DePape struck him with the hammer.
The official story seems to be that Pelosi opened the front door, then Pelosi went back and started wrestling with DePape for the hammer, then DePape struck him with the hammer, all the while police were watching. Does that make any sense? Why did Pelosi not simply run outside after opening the front door and let police deal with DePape?
As I was saying, I have no idea what actually happened at the Pelosi mansion; I suspect that it is something boring and banal, and that Pelosi probably got hurt due to police incompetence. I do know that SFPD reports on the Pelosis are worthless: if there was anything to cover up, SFPD would release false reports and cover it up.
"The official story" here is simply what the evidence shows, and that is (at least) supported by Depape's own statements to the police.
“DEPAPE stated that they went downstairs to the front door. The police arrived and knocked on the door, and Pelosi ran over and opened it.”
You are free to reject any evidence you don't like, of course.
The problem you keep avoiding is that Paul Pelosi's behavior is bizarre according to what you call "the evidence". That requires an explanation.
Normal people don't sleep through windows being bashed in, normal people don't have little chats with 911 dispatchers in the bathroom, normal people don't go back in to wrestle crazy people for hammers after opening the front door for the police.
The simplest explanation is that Paul Pelosi was plastered. That's an explanation for his bizarre behavior, we know he an alcoholic, and it explains why the SFPD is only releasing transcripts instead of the original recordings.
Pelosi's behavior was not "bizarre", based on the evidence released so far. It seemed reasonable to me.
Maybe a jury will acquit Depape, based on there being "serious unanswered questions" about the victim's behavior during the crime? Serious unanswered questions which apparently conceal (drum roll, please!) that a known alcoholic and victim of a violent assault might possibly have been inebriated while sleeping in his own bed.
But I doubt it.
Narrative Unraveling
https://twitter.com/RobSchneider/status/1587486591857008640
Ha!
Most of the “conspiracy theorizing” from the right on this incident centers on the question of how the assailant was able to enter a house of a congresswoman unimpeded, in the dead of night. Where was secret service or security? Is there security footage of the attack?
The “gay hookup” suspicion got some traction because Paul Pelosi apparently told the 911 operator that he attacker was a friend. The Ed Bucks of the world are mostly in the white prog elite circles.
There are some holes in the story. The real embarrassment is not only that Reason writers refuse to question the official acount of the incident, but them fixating over some “right wing conspiracy theory” while totally ignored the left predictably blaming the entirety of the center right for this event. Who runs SF and left it to be a borderline dystopia? Where’s that angle? Where are stories about republicans storming back in polls?
You know what else doesn't make any sense? The police response.
This is reportedly an unwanted intruder who broke in to the property. Yet the police are stating they came on a "wellness check." That they reportedly knocked before entering tending to indicate that assertion is correct.
Unlike how they would have responded to a resident calling 911 to report an break in intruder. In that case they do not need to knock, and most likely the 911 dispatcher would have advised someone calling from a bathroom to lock the door, remain in the bathroom, and stay on the line until help arrived.
None of which happened.
Doesn't prove anything. But also does not make a lick of sense.
That is a really good point. I would hope that if I called 911 and said, "there is a lunatic in my house trying to kidnap me", they would consider the response to be a bit more serious than a "wellness check" and not bother to knock on the door and wait to be let in before they come in to rescue me.
This whole thing stinks. It just makes no sense.
And the ring of co-conspirators grows ever larger...
In reality, it was characterised as a "wellness check" (and then upgraded based on the dispatcher's suspicion) because, according to the transcripts, Pelosi told 911 that he didn't need help. But DePape was right there with him at that time and even answered the 911 dispatcher's questions. It was Depape who told the 911 dispatcher his name was "David", and after Pelosi said he didn't know Depape, Depape contradicted him and told the dispatcher that he was "a friend of theirs".
Depape himself told the police interviewer after his arrest that the police knocked on the door and Pelosi "ran over" and opened it. But, I suppose it's possible that Depape was lying. And the Police at the door. And the 911 dispatchers. And the police back at the station. The list goes on...
"Depape himself told the police interviewer after his arrest that the police knocked on the door and Pelosi “ran over” and opened it. "
Look you dishonest shit weasel, I know this is really hard for you to follow, but if you read what I wrote you will note that I am arguing from the position that this is what he said, and is what we have been told happened.
That the police addressed a 911 call reporting break in intruder was addressed in this manner is curious to say the least.
“Pelosi told 911 that he didn’t need help.”
Wait, whut?
Your logic here is less than so so.
Perhaps some additional context would help? The Notice of Motion and Motion to Detain filed on November 1, 2022 contains transcriptions of the 911 call Paul Pelosi made in the early morning hours of October 28, 2022:
"To diffuse the situation, Mr. Pelosi told the dispatcher that he did not need police, fire, or medical assistance. Trying to be calm and discreet while also trying to help dispatch to understand the situation, Mr. Pelosi then asked for the Capitol Police because they are usually at the house protecting his wife. The dispatcher clarified that Mr. Pelosi was calling San Francisco police; Mr. Pelosi said that he understood and then asked someone, 'I don't know, what do you think?' Another man responded, 'Everything's good.' Mr. Pelosi then stated, 'Uh, he thinks everything's good. Uh, I've got a problem, but he thinks everything's good.'"
"When the dispatcher told Mr.Pelosi to call back if he changed his mind, Mr. Pelosi quickly responded, No, no, no,this gentleman just uh came into the house uhand he wants to wait for my wife to come home. The dispatcher then asked Mr.Pelosi ifhe knew the
person and Mr.Pelosi said that he did not. Mr.Pelosi then said that the man was telling him not to do anything. The dispatcher then asked Mr.Pelosi for his name and address and Mr. Pelosi gave the dispatcher both. Mr.Pelosi then said that the man told him to put the phone down and just do what he says."
"The dispatcher then asked for the man's name and the man responded, 'My name is David.' When the dispatcher asked who David is, Mr. Pelosi said, 'I don't know,' but David said, 'I'm a friend of theirs.' Mr. Pelosi then confirmed with the dispatcher that he did not know the man. 'He's telling me I am being very lazy, so I've gotta to stop talking to you, okay?' When the dispatcher offered to stay on the line with Mr. Pelosi to make sure everything is okay, Mr. Pelosi said, 'No, he wants me to get the hell off the phone.' The call ended. Based on her training and what she heard, dispatcher Heather Grives issued an 'A' priority well-being check."
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/david-de-pape-motion-to-detain/ae22025b852c4adf/full.pdf
Strange that all of this detail from the 911 call is being released, but the actual recording of the call is not being released.
It's only strange if 911 calls are normally released prior to trial, and yet this one isn't.
Yes, and that "reality" makes little sense to any sane, rational person. That's why people are speculating about alternative explanations.
I think the police report is probably mostly accurate and the bizarre behavior of the participants is likely explained by Paul's alcoholism, DePape's mental illness, and SFPD incompetence.
Biden is going on TV tonight with Philadelphia 2.0. Odds that he blames this incidence on right-wing rhetoric is 100%. Odds that he calls DePape a MAGA Republican 94%.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/02/politics/biden-speech-democracy-dc/index.html
One recent headline in particular that has deeply alarmed Biden and his top advisers: the violent attack against Paul Pelosi last week that authorities say was politically motivated.
The shocking home intrusion and attack on Pelosi landed the 82-year-old in the hospital for surgery, and he has since been recovering from a skull fracture, among other injuries.
Advisers say that Biden felt that it would be important for him to directly condemn these kinds of threats and acts of violence. He will also want to speak directly to election deniers, they said, in an effort to counter, in part, Republican elected officials and candidates who have openly said they may refuse to accept the results of the upcoming election next week.
The actual take home message from what happened to Paul Pelosi is that Democrats have turned California into a crime ridden shithole and that if you don’t want that to happen to your city or state, you should vote for Republicans.
Is there a day in the year that Robby doesn't fantasize about Trump? Is there any situation, predicament, outcome, quandary, or dilemma that Trump is not involved in? Is Robby able to tug one off without Trump's face flashing before his eyes? This boy has a strong case of the TDS, and at this point it's a pandemic.
I must have missed Trump’s announcement that he is not running for President in 2024.
I must have missed depapes announcement that he was motivated by trump.
So Robby thinks there isn't even a tiny possibility that there is more to this story than meets the eye? Not even a tiny possibility? Mr. Pelosi has long been rumored to be gay, and he has an unemployed gay nudist in his house, whom he calls a "friend"?
And don't forget how the authorities wouldn't confirm or deny that there was a passenger in his car when he got his DUI a few months ago.
I don't know the truth, but the questions are valid.
Gee, funny this story fails to mention the mainstream media like, well gee, like every one of them, trying to present dePape as representative of Republican voters. That’s the real conspiracy theory that needs to be called out.
There are odd aspects to this event, such as the lack of any protective detail (apparently the Capitol Police assigned to the San Francisco office were watching TV, not the closed circuit surveillance cameras that covered the Pelosi residence. And the fact that Pelosi had to place a 911 call – high end security systems, once an intrusion is detected, will automatically notify police. Surely the uber-rich Pelosi clan can afford a high end security system, even with their large number of residences.
And one charge sheet stated that Pelosi and dePape came downstairs when the police arrived, Pelosi opened the door, and THEN tried to take the hammer away. Most sensible people, facing a crazed intruder, would be content to let the professionals handle the situation when the police arrive and would exit the building as quickly as possible
Where the media narrative really falls apart is in trying to paint dePape as some uber-right wing white supremacist ideologue. Funny how the website they point to as proof first appears in The Wayback Machine at 5:39 p.m. on the day he was in police custody, and was then updated almost every half hour for the next 24 hours. How did he do that if he was in jail?
The Wayback Machine doesn't automatically download everything on the Internet every day. It is directed to websites based on a mysterious algorithm which is somehow sensitive to web traffic--or when it is specifically requested to archive a site.
The dates/times appearing on the Wayback Machine are not the dates of updates made to the website; they are the dates and times when the site was crawled. (It says this at the bottom of the results page.)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2015/11/16/how-much-of-the-internet-does-the-wayback-machine-really-archive/?sh=4c538d129446
My own somewhat dormant website has been crawled over 200 times since 2001, but only on three occasions in 2022.
The most likely explanation for all this is that Paul Pelosi was completely intoxicated: that's why he didn't wake up when DePape broke in and why he behaved in such a bizarre manner. The SFPD then probably left out that little fact out of courtesy.
I like how Pelosi stuff is a debunked conspiracy theory --- but the Kavanaugh claims were credible accusations, per Reason.
Hey Damiksec, damiskec, and damikesc, and ALL of your other socks…
How is your totalitarian scheme to FORCE people to buy Reason magazines coming along?
Free speech (freedom from “Cancel Culture”) comes from Facebook, Twitter, Tik-Tok, and Google, right? THAT is why we need to pass laws to prohibit these DANGEROUS companies (which, ugh!, the BASTARDS, put profits above people!)!!! We must pass new laws to retract “Section 230” and FORCE the evil corporations to provide us all (EXCEPT for my political enemies, of course!) with a “UBIFS”, a Universal Basic Income of Free Speech!
So leftist “false flag” commenters will inundate Reason-dot-com with shitloads of PROTECTED racist comments, and then pissed-off readers and advertisers and buyers (of Reason magazine) will all BOYCOTT Reason! And right-wing idiots like Damikesc will then FORCE people to support Reason, so as to nullify the attempts at boycotts! THAT is your ultimate authoritarian “fix” here!!!
“Now, to “protect” Reason from this meddling here, are we going to REQUIRE readers and advertisers to support Reason, to protect Reason from boycotts?”
Yup. Basically. Sounds rough. (Quote damikesc)
(Etc.)
See https://reason.com/2020/06/24/the-new-censors/
NOTHING ABOUT THE LEFT WING LIES AND BLAME THAT BEGAN THIS SAGA???
Would some Reps, in general, have responded to this tragedy in this manner if the left/MSM had not immediately blamed the right and mischaracterized it? I have no doubt we would have heard much less, at the very least. But for Dems this is normal.
This may be an open and shut case (or not?) today, but it certainly did not start out that way and many media sources published rumors. Yet, this is somehow okay for Dems for whom this is almost their MO.
Reason isnt supposed to be MSM, but it is amazing what I see in these pages nowadays.
I expect Reason to criticize without regard to any party. That is why I subscribed many years ago. But here we have another one-sided, partisan, dishonest opinion.
I have been seriously considering my subscription to Reason and this reinforces my intent to reconsider.
I have little tolerance for this partisan idiocy in general anymore, and so much less for a publication I understood was serious about Libertarian principles and non-partisanship.
This article is rich coming from the people who loudly and repeatedly proclaimed Blasey-Ford to be credible.
Get fucked you shameless hacks.
No, the conspiracy theories are a response to the media conspiracy theory and lie immediately calling the guy a MAGA Trump supporting Jan. 6th rioter. Even his ex-wife said that wasn’t true. One good conspiracy theory deserves another, but (T)Reason.com won’t call out the left. Commies stick together.
As far as Trump he is the most lied about politician ever, so what if the gives the left a bit of a taste of their own medicine. Where was (T)Reason.com crying foul when Trump was being lied about? Nowhere? Ignoring the lie? Supporting the lie? Take your pick.
San Francisco DA Brooke Jenkins said she will not be releasing any footage or calls to 911 dispatchers. The public will never be able to see the footage because the San Francisco DA is withholding all police bodycam footage, 911 calls and video from security cameras.
Why? This is done routinely in crimes of public interest or to discredit the police. Now it is covered up!
Sounds like you're referring to this Gateway Pundit article: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/san-francisco-da-wont-release-police-bodycam-footage-911-calls-paul-pelosi-attack-video/
GP article: "The public will never be able to see the footage because the San Francisco DA is withholding all police bodycam footage, 911 calls and video from security cameras."
However, what the SF DA actually said in response to NBC's Kristen Welker's question ("Are you planning to release the 911 call or any body camera video [from the Paul Pelosi attack]?") was:
"Not at this time."
Keep relying on reliable sources--they'll always tell you what to think!
Show me what was unreliable? You going to quote CNN or MSBC, or maybe the WaPo or NY Times? You know honest non partisan jouralism? LOL
Wow. It's right there in the text I quoted.
Gateway Pundit said the public "will never" see the footage, yet the DA actually said "not at this time".
There's a difference, you know?
We all know that Nancy hired this guy so that she could kill several birds with one stone. Maybe he kills her husband (bonus for her). She can blame Trump (bonus for her). She gens up some sympathy for herself (bonus for her).
But I wonder where the "no bail", and "no jail" people are? Why is this guy still languishing like he was a 1/6 tourist?
At least that’s how it would go if it were a Columbo episode.
Something does not quite add up. Throwing the book at him will only foster more theories. At this point we really don’t know much other than the narrative does not match the timeline and other evidence.
As a skeptic of the corporate media and political class, I hesitate to accept anything they say without scrutiny. Society would be well served if everyone stopped accepting any narrative on face value.
Ironically, the FBI Criminal Complaint doesn’t actually quote David Depape, the alleged suspect in the break in and attempted murder, as saying “Where’s Nancy?” anywhere in the complaint. But that didn’t stop politicians from making the comparison to the “domestic terrorists” that “stormed the Capitol”. - GWP
*Hates Nancy Pelosi in a decades-long spittle-flecked rage for no articulable reason*
*Can't possibly fathom some QAnon loon trying to hunt her down*
Robbing your tears are awesome.
Now do illegal immigrants are a value
Russian interfered with the 2016 election
Stacy Abrams would have won except for voter suppression.
Oh and Biden that this is the end of Democracy if GOP wins.
How about how Covid doesn't affect BLM protests.
Honestly, the very diversity of reporting (both in underwear...each had a hammer....nothing detected on surveillance....glass broken from inside... the entrance site too small for attacker) PROVES conspiracy.
Show where I am wrong, please