Arizona Libertarian Senate Candidate Marc Victor Drops Out, Endorses GOP's Blake Masters
The Libertarian—who polled as high as 6 percent in the past 8 days—thinks Republican Masters is "gonna be one of us" in the Senate.

Marc Victor, the Libertarian Party (L.P.) candidate for U.S. Senate from Arizona, today announced he is dropping out of the race and endorsing his Republican opponent Blake Masters.
Victor, a lawyer who runs an advocacy organization called the Live and Let Live Global Peace Movement,** has polled as high as 6 percent in the past eight days, though more typically at 2–3 percent. Masters seemed eager to court libertarian support in the campaign's end game where he's now on average nearly 3 percentage points down from Democratic incumbent Mark Kelly.
Masters got an endorsement last week from 1988 L.P. presidential candidate Ron Paul. Masters also received support from podcaster Dave Smith, the likely L.P. 2024 presidential frontrunner. Smith earlier dismissed Victor as a "clown" after the L.P. candidate brought up the notion that age of consent laws were something that could be decided democratically at a televised October debate featuring all three Arizona Senate candidates, though Smith revoked the "clown" accusation in the wake of Victor's endorsement of Masters.
Victor's campaign raised over $128,000, high for an L.P. race, mostly from Democratic-leaning organizations that clearly seemed to believe he would take votes from Masters and help Kelly win. Victor says in a phone interview today that he understands why they might do that although it's "dirty politics and it's disgusting and I don't support it. But on the other hand, I'll take money from whoever wants to give it to me and use it to support freedom and peace."
Victor notes that neither the national nor state L.P. had supported him, and that he did not consult either institution on his decision. "From the people in the national party, I got nothing but aggravation. They did everything they could to make me look bad. I got no love from the Mises Caucus."
"Lots of people emailed me, some people even threatened me" about possibly being a spoiler in the race, but Victor insists that's not why he dropped out: "That stuff has zero effect on me. I'm not easily intimidated. I'm a guy that does what I want to do and I do the right thing."
Victor, who seemed like he might have more than beat the spread between Masters and his Democratic opponent Mark Kelly, had reached out publicly to both men to talk about potentially gaining his support. Masters took him up on it, agreeing to Victor's demand that their entire conversation be public. "Nothing behind closed doors, I wanted it to be 100 percent transparent," Victor says. He had vowed that if "either one of them convinces me it's in the interest of freedom and peace for me to step down, that's what I'll do."
Masters agreed to the video interview:
In the conversation with Victor, Masters said lots of things designed to appeal to a libertarian audience: that he carried around Ludwig Von Mises's massive economics tome Human Action as a teen; that he believed in the non-aggression principle; that he was a fan of Murray Rothbard; that he learned from his dad that you can't have an honest society without honest money; that he believed in low taxes and a balanced budget and a foreign policy only about national defense and not offensive wars abroad for democracy or nation building.
Most libertarians differ with Masters on his stances on immigration, bellicosity toward China (he is confident China is to blame for COVID, and vaguely vows on his campaign website to "get tough"), his enthusiastic public association with neoreactionaries, and his belief that government should manage the content moderation decisions of private tech companies and eliminate Section 230 liability protection for user-generated content, regulate them like common carriers, and use federal antitrust powers to curb them. Masters also wants to declare a federal war on "woke" policies in private businesses. Victor failed to get Masters to declare he was against any kind of federal drug war or for the unrestricted right for personal choice in substance use, as per the Libertarian position, with the Republican singling out fentanyl as a problem demanding federal response.
As former Rep. Justin Amash, the only sitting Libertarian ever in the U.S. House of Representatives, tweeted today: "I'm a libertarian, and Masters is an authoritarian grifting as hard as he can to convince both libertarians and nationalists he's one of them. We disagree on immigration, policing, war, economics, free speech, and more. In all those areas, he wants less liberty and more tyranny."
Victor felt he and Masters were close enough in believing that immigrants need to be vetted at the border and denied government benefits if let in with what Victor hopes should be a "very simple work visa" process. Victor also thinks those immigrants already here without criminal records should have a "reasonable path to citizenship."
Masters is 100 percent against all illegal immigration on his campaign page (though in his younger, more libertarian days he believed in "unrestricted" immigration) and otherwise says we need a new national conversation on who is let in and for what reasons. With his Trump endorsement, Masters is part of a movement that wants to build a wall across our border and otherwise spend more on border enforcement. In his conversation with Victor, he talked about stopping "Mexican drug cartels from selling people into slavery in our own country."
One big thing Masters has said that Libertarian voters might find objectionable is a straight-up declaration that "libertarianism doesn't work," made at September's National Conservatism Conference in Miami.
Victor confronted Masters with this, and in line with the general attitude of Masters' biggest supporter and co-author of Zero to One, Peter Thiel, he told Victor he has come to believe that the fight against an "authoritarian left" demands the control and use of state power to crush that left. "If we don't fight back," the left will lead us to a world of "death pits and concentration camps."
Victor grants there is not 100 percent agreement between him and Masters, but given a situation where he knows he was not going to win, he believes the cause of "freedom, peace and civility" is furthered more by a Masters win than a Kelly victory.
"Do I think I would have been a better candidate than him? Sure," Victor says. "Do I think he's a bad candidate? No. Do I think he's better than Kelly? For sure. And do I think he'll probably be one of the better or best U.S. senators if he gets into the Senate? Yeah. And so for me, that's worth stepping down in and trying to push him to get across the finish line….I think in his heart he understands the non-aggression principle."
"Until we get ranked choice voting or some other mechanism that allows people to vote for who they think is actually the best candidate," Victor says, "I think we're stuck."
Emily Goldberg, chair of the Arizona Libertarian Party, who both sides agreed had very little to do with Victor's campaign, nonetheless says in a phone interview today that she feels "punched in the gut" by Victor's decision to essentially ally with the Republican Party that has for years in Arizona, she says, been fighting to tighten ballot access requirements to crush the L.P. Tens of thousands of voters wanted to vote for a Libertarian, and this move, she thinks, "disenfranchises them, and I can't forgive him for that."
Victor will still be on the ballot, and many people have already voted, so the chance that he grabs some votes that might have gone, or might be perceived as likely having gone, to Masters remains. "A lot of people are upset that I'm backing out," he grants. "But, you know, I try to make the decisions that are best for the cause."
**CORRECTION: Victor's advocacy group was misnamed and wrongly linked in this story's initial posting.
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Damn Libertarians, siphoning away votes that are the property of the GOP. About time they started dropping out so the votes can go to their rightful owners. No pun intended.
"...Tens of thousands of voters wanted to vote for a Libertarian, and this move, she thinks, "disenfranchises them, and I can't forgive him for that."..."
So these people are so partisan that voting for someone supporting favored policies is not possible since that person is not a member of a certain party?
One very good reason to avoid that party.
I don't see why these people can't still vote for the guy. The net effect will be the exact same.
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Does the good outweigh the bad? Should you vote for the lesser of two evils or refuse to condone either evil?
He's a candidate not just a voter
Would you rather have Trump or Biden?
Put it another way: Yes, the degree of evil counts to reasonable people.
Trump gave us reductions in various agencies' regulations, a vibrant economy, a tax cut, at least one very good justice, tried to deal with that tin-pot dictator Kim, pulled us out of that Paris Eco-theater, was in the process of getting us out of Afghanistan as if we knew our heads from our assholes and more.
Biden had chipped away at what Trump accomplished and what he's attempted to do, he's fucked up.
Tell me the lesser evil isn't deserving of my vote.
Yes, Biden is slightly more evil than Trump but that isn't enough reason to vote for either one. Stay home or vote Libertarian.
Yeah and the Green party, Communist party and Socialist parties all siphon voted from the left.
And for that, I thank them.
On a brighter note we now have U.S. Troops in Ukraine, yea WWIII is coming soon. Our country is run by buffoons of all stripes
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Got a cite for that, or do you think Eastern Europe NATO allies count as Ukraine for all propaganda purposes?
Last I knew, US marines, aka “troops”, were stationed at embassies, including in Russia and China. How’s that fit in your propaganda, bub?
Not sure if US military inspectors meet the definition of US troops but probably close enough for government work.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/us-military-inspectors-in-ukraine-weapons-equipment
They'll certainly count as troops if they get killed, which is likely the whole goal of putting them there.
It says "American military personnel are in Ukraine" which sure sounds like troops.
I withdraw my objection. Did not think Biden's puppet masters were that audacious or crazy.
Remember those four years when we did not enter any new wars?
Good times.
It was advisors who were in Vietnam. So yes it counts as troops.
O-F-F-S!
Impeach Biden NOW.
The Illuminati run the world.
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Amash:
"I'm a libertarian, and Masters is an authoritarian grifting as hard as he can to convince both libertarians and nationalists he's one of them. We disagree on immigration, policing, war, economics, free speech, and more. In all those areas, he wants less liberty and more tyranny."
Okay Peanuts. Time to attack Amash again.
Is he being a RINO again?
Amash has escaped the GOP Plantation. He must be erased.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled pile of shit, a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
turd lies, turd lies, TDS, TDS, lefty shit, lefty shit, SQUAWK!!!
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of lefty shit.
That cotton pickin'...
So…. you and the Pedo are back on the same page again. What a shock.
Has been for weeks. He needs all the allies he can get. Including soros acolyte pedos.
Well that Ron Paul endorsement is the kiss of death in the new liberaltarian world. Not sure how he can live that down.
Damn it, mentioning a Paul is a quick way to summon Hank. Now we’re going to have to hear about girl-bullying and Comstock.
Don’t forget ‘the Gee-oh-Pee’.
I figured Libertariantranslator was just Hank with some medication adjustments, maybe a long acting antipsychotic injection.
To be honest, I thought I detected the stench of commie kid.
Haha, right!?!
But Amash is against Masters. Isn't he dreamy? - Reason Staff.
Without exaggeration the current iteration of the Democrats are the least honest and most authoritarian political party in the West since the death of Franco. Stopping them is of paramount importance.
It's too bad that the Republican didn't withdraw and endorse the Libertarian instead, but anything to shut out the Democrats.
Conservatives, liberals, libertarians and even the old fashioned left need to band together and destroy the party. It's irredeemable.
Franco was one of your kind, pal.
He fought the left/socialist Republicans in the Spanish Civil War - who rewrote their Constitution on a secular liberal model.
Franco was a supporter of the Catholic Church and monarchy. They were the conservatives in the country. Your type.
Jared from Subway is one of your kind.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled pile of shit, a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar. If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental. turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
SQUAWK!!
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of lefty shit.
I'm not Roman Catholic, you stupid, pedophiliac fuck. Where the hell did you come up with the idea that I was?
But anyway, you work for one of the last living, actual-factual Nazi party members. When other teens were fighting with the resistance, your boss was robbing Jewish homes.
I've always assumed your very real Nazi party connections were the reason you shill for the Democrats here.
What are you then, Calvinist? You're one of those hardball Christo-fascist religions. I've noticed your conversations on eschatology here.
Your conservative role model William F Buckley was a big fan of Franco.
Soros has made his life work to fight fascism, you anti-Semitic fuckstain.
My religion is a mix of Twain and Carlin.
Now they were real heroes - not your Franco.
And you are a known pedo.
A few years back you posted kiddy porn to this site, and your initial handle was banned. The link below details all the evidence surrounding that ban. A decent person would honor that ban and stay away from Reason. Instead you keep showing up, acting as if all people should just be ok with a kiddy-porn-posting asshole hanging around. Since I cannot get you to stay away, the only thing I can do is post this boilerplate.
https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/?comments=true#comment-9635836
"all the evidence", lol.
Your religion is fucktarded demfag.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled pile of shit, a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
What would motivate someone to go to a website where everyone knows they are a pedophile AND a constant liar, and post lies that no one believes?
I've posted here since the Bushpigs were in power back when posters were libertarians. You Trump Cultist QAnon assholes will not deter me.
So just lie more? Interesting approach, lying pedo.
Who does SPB think he is fooling? You can go to the Link Alphabet Soup posted and see that he was clearly banned and his posts scrubbed. The only way we are QAnon is if Reason- the site he continues to insult by posting- is also QAnon.
The truth is that he is a narcissistic ass who thinks his unremarkable blather is so important that it doesn't matter that he is a weak-willed, predatory monster. Like Weinstein and Epstein, he genuinely believes that he is IMPORTANT enough that people will just look the other way when faced with his depravity.
But the really, really, sad and pathetic thing is that no one will actually notice on the day he finally hangs himself.
Most libertarians differ with Masters ... (he is confident China is to blame for COVID, and vaguely vows on his campaign website to "get tough")
Who the fuck isn't confident that China is to blame for COVID?
Reason writers who still want to be invited to the cool kid parties.
FTFY
Even my deep blue Trump-hating in laws think China did a lot more than just be the place where COVID crossed the species barrier.
Dr. Fauci.
Sorry, Reason Editors missed the memo that this moved from conspiracy theory to fact. They're still living in the "COVID started in a wet market" nonsense.
I'm not a fan of Kelly, and normally wouldn't care which shambling human-shaped pile of authoritarian feces won the race.
But Victor's betrayal makes me hope that early voting for Victor puts Kelly over the top, if only to discourage future Libertarian candidates from pulling this kind of shit.
So you're ultimately pro leftist authoritarian. Not a very principled stance but it's as much as I'd expect from your ilk.
Amash is anti-conservative authoritarian:
""I'm a libertarian, and Masters is an authoritarian grifting as hard as he can to convince both libertarians and nationalists he's one of them. We disagree on immigration, policing, war, economics, free speech, and more. In all those areas, he wants less liberty and more tyranny."
direct quote from Amash.
Go here for some direct quotes from Mr Pedo.
A few years back you posted kiddy porn to this site, and your initial handle was banned. The link below details all the evidence surrounding that ban. A decent person would honor that ban and stay away from Reason. Instead you keep showing up, acting as if all people should just be ok with a kiddy-porn-posting asshole hanging around. Since I cannot get you to stay away, the only thing I can do is post this boilerplate.
https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/?comments=true#comment-9635836
Oh wait, sorry, they got deleted for linking to kiddie porn.
Oops.
How convenient.
Get the fuck out pedophile.
Don't you have a pizza joint to terrorize?
I'm a libertarian.
Kelly and Masters are opposites of libertarian.
Since an anti-libertarian is going to win, I'd rather it was the anti-libertarian who didn't get a libertarian to participate in the scam of pretending an anti-libertarian isn't an anti-lilbertarian.
You should educate yourself on Masters and his history. He can cite more libertarianism in his background than you can.
Yes, he once love(d) Mises to pieces.
Please educate us as to the illustrious libertarian credentials of Blake Masters.
You seem oddly concerned considering you “finally gave up on electoral politics, leaving the Libertarian Party after 14 years as an activist and occasional candidate.” over a decade ago.
https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2012/04/thomas-knapp-the-libertarian-partys-identity-crisis/
Yes, I left the Libertarian Party (and electoral politics) for four years, from 2010-2014. And then came back. So?
Mark Kelly is a gun grabbing authoritarian piece of shit. Says a lot you'd have him over a candidate who can cite Rothbard, Mises, and was part of antiwar.com.
Yes, Mark Kelly is a [insert issue here] authoritarian piece of shit.
And Blake Masters is a [insert issue here] authoritarian piece of shit.
An authoritarian piece of shit who "cites Rothbard and Mises" is an even more dangerous authoritarian piece of shit than one who doesn't. The latter may just be an idiot. The former KNOWS what he's up to.
Thomas is this much different than the MT race with the Lib candidate supporting (D) Tranel? Are your thoughts that same then for Zinke as Kelly in that race?
I'm not familiar with the Montana race, but my thoughts aren't especially complex:
Don't waste other people's time, work, and money on a Libertarian Party campaign for office, then drop out and endorse one of the authoritarian parties' candidates at the last minute.
Don't want to run for office? Don't run for office.
Don't want to be involved in electoral politics? Hey, fine -- don't be. I quit it for a few years myself (after several campaigns that I actually saw through, and after an appointment to office), and really only came back because I'm a junkie that way.
But to the extent that the Libertarian Party tries to be an electoral model political party in the US, part of its job is running candidates who may affect the outcomes of elections. Signing on as a candidate on the party's ballot line is a commitment and a trust, and Victor failed in that commitment and violated that trust.
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How can anyone not think China is to blame for Covid?
That was a very weird statement in this article.
Of course COVID originated in China. The question is from where - a wet market or lab?
There is no definitive evidence for either.
turd lies; it's all he ever does.
Fuck off and die, lying pile of lefty shit
turd lies, turd lies, fuck off and die...;. SQUAWK!!!
Eat shit and die, lefty shitbag.
Just grants for the study of gain of function into bat-origin coronaviruses at the lab.
Just like the crime rate, it's a mystery!
It's all gray. No one can know. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Had to be the bat soup!
Hahahahahahahahahaha
"Of course COVID originated in China. The question is from where – a wet market or lab?
There is no definitive evidence for either."
SPB: "Well, we have a lab with sketchy security protocols that works on really potentially lethal diseases. So, CLEARLY, that wet market across the damned street is the likely culprit in that global pandemic thing. Now, come here kiddo. I have candy in my van..."
Well I don't, only because that would let the WHO and NIH off the hook for funding and collaborating with the research at the lab and then trying to cover up everything after there was a leak. There's a ton of blame to spread around.
I'm basically anti-Kelly more than anything.
By “declare federal war against woke policies in private companies “ you mean enforce the Civil Rights Acts? I find it greatly amusing people whose criticism of the Misee Caucus as so extreme they drive away potential allies believes their current top priority should be rejecting the Civil Rights Acts.
Brian, like many of a certain type of libertarian, don't believe that participating in politics requires accepting reality: The one where the left has been dominating for many, many decades; The one where the line between public and private is incredibly blurry (corporatism); The one where culture absolutely matters, and a liberty-minded one is a prerequisite to a libertarian society.
There were a lot of statements like this in the article. Lots of assertions, but no specifics.
I don't know what "federal war on woke policies in private companies" means. Are we talking about banning private companies from enforcing "woke" policies? Are we talking about banning the federal government from contracting with companies that discriminate (but in a woke way) on the basis of race, sex, gender, etc.? Reason could do with less handwaving outrage and more specificity.
Same goes for "Most libertarians differ with Masters on his stances on immigration." I'm going to need to see a more specific statistic on this claim?
Most?
The horror of it all!
One term never used for libertarians is reactionary.
Oh, and Marc Victor seems like a cool dude.
But does he have a half million dollar lake cabin?
Yeah, thanks for that, Marc.
Open borders is not libertarian. More like a utopian threat to liberty and free association. Being against govt schools pushing chemical and surgical sexual mutilation is very libertarian. Letting the chips fall where they may (covid came from the Wuhan lab and that isn't "racism") is libertarian. Don't know where Amash is going. Does he really think Kelly the "astronaut" and MIC member cares about liberty or the Fed or foreign interventionism? Hell, he really isn't an astronaut either as anyone with a few hundred K can reach over 50 miles (91 year old Bill Shatner did). Astronauts need to leave Earth Orbit and he didnt' do that. Masters will not be a rubber stamp for McConnell.
Jeff Flake was the most libertarian Senator AZ has had since Goldwater.
But Fat.ass Donnie didn't want Flake around.
“Jeff Flake was the most libertarian….”
Comedy gold.
I sometimes wonder if Shrike’s account is performance art.
Open borders is not libertarian.
Open borders is the apotheosis of libertarianism. Complete freedom of association! By contrast, how is it libertarian for the state to demand permission slips in order to cross imaginary lines on a map, even when the rightful owners of all property involved grant permission for the migration in question?
Philosophically, the opposite of open borders is socialism - the notion that all property belongs to the state, there is no such thing really as property rights, and that the state may rightfully decide who travels on what parcels of land. Are you one of those left-wing libertarians that Diane/Paul keeps mentioning?
Being against govt schools pushing chemical and surgical sexual mutilation is very libertarian.
Being against government schools doing ANYTHING tends to be libertarian. Funny how government schools teaching students reading or math doesn't seem to generate much outrage from the 'real libertarian' set around here, even though it represents the exact same amount of theft and coercion that teaching students about LGBTQ represents. It's only when the topic just happens to coincide with the right-wing outrage du jour that the real outrage fires up. Huh. I wonder why.
Don’t know where Amash is going.
In a pro-liberty anti-authoritarian direction, so away from you.
Does he really think Kelly the “astronaut” and MIC member cares about liberty or the Fed or foreign interventionism?
news flash: being opposed to Blake Masters is not the same as being in favor of Mark Kelly.
Masters will not be a rubber stamp for McConnell.
If he were a rubber stamp for McConnell it would actually make him a more decent human being. At least then he wouldn't be palling around with literal monarchists or saying things like "state power must be used to destroy the left".
“By contrast, how is it libertarian for the state to demand permission slips in order to cross imaginary lines on a map, even when the rightful owners of all property involved grant permission for the migration in question?”
1. I can see the argument that governments exist so they have the power to dictate and enforce their imaginary lines, but that isn’t going to comport with an anarchistic view of libertarianism or borders.
2. What happens when the guy with the property right on the border revokes his permission? What happens when the guy three counties in does it? In your view should they even be allowed to do so, since it stops people’s right of movement? I know the solution to the tragedy of the commons (government owned land in this case) is to make everything private, but that’s not a realistic goal in the real world.
3. Jeffy is profoundly dishonest and in no way a libertarian. Rather a globalist George Soros ‘open society’ shitweasel.
You notice how the fake libertarians like jeff never mention the welfare issue exacerbated by government welfare programs?
Search anarchist in the Google news archive. What appears is a representative fraction of what is there. In EVERY case the anarchist is a violent communist as attractive as bubonic plague or rabies. Many were turned in as a liability by communists less insane; most brag and shout in court for more murder until quieted by bailiffs. In 1972 Red Republicans finally convinced these pathetic wretches to go pal up to the Libertarian Party. And that's how we got Jeremy, Boothead, the Open Borders pimp and Anschluss Caucus girl-bulliers and vigilantes.
"Open borders is the apotheosis of libertarianism. Complete freedom of association! "
This is only true if the people accepting association with the immigrants want to associate. If it is "libertarian" for a federal government to force a state to accept people entering their borders against their will, it is libertarian for the federal government to force those people to remain out. *shrug*
"Funny how government schools teaching students reading or math doesn’t seem to generate much outrage from the ‘real libertarian’"
This goes both ways Jeff. I have seen you defending Government schools 1000 times more than you have ever complained about public education. So by your own logic, you actually don't care about removing public schools. You are just interested in kulture warz nonsense.
Let us note that School Choice has been almost exclusively the domain of conservatives, and fighting it has been almost exclusively the domain of liberals. But how many times has Chemjeff been in the comments supporting a republican passing school choice laws?
Open Borders is what Comancheria had. Then Sherman Marched Across Texas and soon they were exterminated like so many Jews in Europe 75 years later. German U-boats sunk WAY more shipping on the East Coast in early 1942 than at Pearl Harbor. Nazi commandos were landed on American beaches, grabbed, strapped into Old Sparky and fried as examples. Open borders and secession are moronic ideas, which is exactly why they are foisted on wannabee libertarians by those who hate freedom the most.
Disagree on open borders but agree with the rest.
Agree with your disagreement on open borders, and agree with your agreement with the rest.
There's never been a "pure" anything in real life, whether libertarian, conservative or communist (but especially the former--we've never been in power). I'm happy to believe in a "social contract", the heart of which (in the USA) is the US Constitution. Immigration should certainly be an option, but not a right.
To tell the difference between a right and a counterfeit, ask "at whose expense?"
Thousands commemorate Mussolini's rise as far-right sentiments continue to sweep across Europe
Justin Klawans, Staff writer
Sun, October 30, 2022 at 12:38 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/video/thousands-commemorate-mussolinis-rise-far-163856631.html
While Mussolini is often considered among the 20th century's most brutal despots, the march on his grave mirrors the rise in far-right and neo-fascist movements that have been seen both in Italy and across Europe.
Turn yourself in for your crimes against children.
Better he should just commit suicide. I mean, why take the chance?
The girl-bullying prohibitionist caudillo ousted by Brazilian voters refuses to concede and menacingly broadcasts that "ve haff cells everywhere..." Besides Hitlers, mustachioed and orange, this brings to mind the 2020 infiltrator plank in the Libertarian platform freeing wife-killers of the death sentence and reserving executions to vigilantes and lynch mobs. The Anschluss crowd seems to like that one--but deleted the straddle in which women retained torn scraps of individual rights.
Demonstrates the difference between a Libertarian Party candidate and a libertarian.
Marc Victor and Blake Masters both fall on the side of the MC dumbass. Victor has spoken at MC conferences. Masters has written for antiwar.com and cites rothbard and Mises.
How uneducated are you? Why Wade into a conversation you are ignorant about?
How uneducated are you?
Not remotely as uneducated as you.
So Blake Masters is anti--war - though he wants to "project American strength", which sounds like merely being selective about which wars to fight - and cites some libertarian economists,. BFD. What has he to say on, e.g., abortion? Drug legalisation? Immigration? Globalisation? Tolerance?
Die in a fire, slaver. And STFU.
I'm not voting anyone whose name is "MASTERS" lmao. I have no problem voting former veteran and an astronaut.
Gun grab, higher taxes, government authoritarian...
One of the ignorant voters i see.
And what was Kelly doing in between being an astronaut and a Senator? He was founding a gun control advocacy organization.
https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/ex-astronaut-mark-kelly-senate-seat-arizona-colorado-gun-control/
But at least his last name sounds better, because that makes sense.
"That guy's name sounds icky and I like the profession of the other person, so I'll vote for him."
- The typical voter
I certainly would never vote for a candidate who had previously withdrawn from a race to support his erstwhile opponent. Clearly the people who wanted to vote L didn't want to vote R.
As with just about every other LP candidate, he would get between 2 and 3 percent of the vote- maybe a little more since it’s Arizona. At least he is being realistic. Have yet to hear of a “libertarian” candidate (other than Bill Weld) endorse a dem.
Also, he's on the ballot. Anybody who feels strongly enough about this can still vote for him.
Have yet to hear of a “libertarian” candidate (other than Bill Weld) endorse a dem.
Why does the Libertarian Party exist if all it is going to do is be "not the Democrats?" There's a much larger, more successful party that does that already.
Why do the Green and Socialist parties exist if all they do is be "not the Republicans?"
What you are ignoring is that libertarians have much in common with Republicans and very little in common with democrats. Until that changes, their preferred outcomes are better achieved through influencing Republicans. Until third parties are more successful than the greens and libertarians, there is little value in voting for a candidate who can't win.
Until that changes, their preferred outcomes are better achieved through influencing Republicans. Until third parties are more successful than the greens and libertarians, there is little value in voting for a candidate who can’t win.
This is my point. If LP candidates are going to drop out and endorse Republicans anytime they feel like giving up or that they might spoil the Republican's chances of winning, then the the LP shouldn't even run candidates. They can run in the GOP primaries to see what influence they can have. That is what Bernie did in 2016 and 2020. He's not a Democrat, but knew that he could actually move the Democratic Party more toward his positions by running within the party than by running as an independent or socialist or whatever.
Running as a Libertarian or Green means siphoning off votes from one of the two major parties. Accept that or don't bother. That is all that needs to be said about it.
This is the lefty slime (but I repeat myself) who approves of murder if it keeps a prole from putting feet on the holy desks:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
My ballot was dropped in the mail this morning. I voted for Marc Victor. I echo the sentiments expressed by Emily Goldberg. Had I known he was going to drop out I would have voted for Baba Booey.
Reason will hate to hear this, but the average Republican is closer to a libertarian than the average Democrat.
The average Republican is closer to libertarian than most Reason writers.
^ This
It depends. The average Republican, IMO, is anti-abortion, anti-drug-legalisation, pro-military spending, trusting of the police, trusting of government – when it’s a GOP state government, anti-globalisation, pro-tariffs hence anti-free-market, in favour of government sanctioned speech when it’s speech they approve of, opposed to S230, and at least tolerant of racism.
So not very Reason-ish.
Your mirror needs but a bit of tuning, but it's pretty much a good description of lefty shits like you.
Smart move an electable candidate that will move the needle towards more freedom. Better than a distant also ran of Libertarian purity that gets us left wing statist in office.
Time to be pragmatic and move the discourse in the Libertarian direction a little at a time.
At least Masters isn't a "humanitarian" warmonger like Gary Johnson. Although it's too bad he agrees with GayJay's 2016 drug policy.
Here’s hoping, if he wins, he’ll live up to his libertarian-leaning statements. If he morphs into another Lindsey Graham or a McConnell stooge libertarians should run against him in the primary next time.
What a jerk.
The biggest refrain we hear as Libertarians are that we’re closet Republicans, and we try to refute that until we’re out of breath and then this yutz drops out and endorses a Reich-wing Republican. He’s just set the cause back *years* here in Arizona. Frankly, it might just be easier for me to move to another state than it will be to try and pick up the pieces from the damage he’s done.
Hi TooSilly.
You aren't going anywhere. Sit down and STFU.
Marc Victor pushed Blake Masters more towards libertarian positions. Blake Masters is not a libertarian, but is more libertarian than Mark Kelly is.
Libertarians need to learn to use what power that they do have. Marc Victor speaking with Blake Masters and then endorsing him will help to elect the candidate that is closer to libertarian ideas that if Marc Victor remained in the election.
If there is a close enough (to libertarian) incumbent running for reelection, then the Libertarian party should not run a candidate.
If there is a so-so incumbent then Libertarian party should run a candidate to push the so-so incumbent towards libertarian ideals. If the so-so incumbent moves toward ideals enough then the Libertarian candidate should drop out and endorse.
It is not likely in the short term for the Libertarian party to win national offices directly, but the Libertarian party does have enough power to sway elections.
Independents need to vote instead of not voting. Vote for a third party and increase the power of third parties. Abstaining from voting only gives power to the two dominant parties.
If Blake Masters wins, then he will need to consider libertarian ideals otherwise next election cycle he will have a Libertarian candidate to contend with. The second time around Libertarian's will have his history, words and actions to determine if he is libertarian enough or not.
The libertarian party does have power, but needs to be willing to exercise it.
The libertarian vote would only have that sort of power if they were bringing about double the vote percentage they currently bring to the table.
The only way they ever generate those kinds of numbers is if left libertarians started voting actual libertarian, instead of talking about liberty and then voting for the Democrat.
Victor had up to 8% which at the very least covers the spread between Kelly and Masters.
Blake Masters isn't remotely close to "libertarian positions", and Marc Victor did nothing except embarrass us.
Bullshit. GOP is not libertarian. Masters is not libertarian. The AZ GOP took direct orders from DC to rig our ballot access laws to keep LP candidates off the ballot. They deserve to get burned.
Thank you! Those in the LP who feel like we should get in bed with Republicans conveniently forget that, at least in Arizona, it was totally the Republican-dominated Legislature that passed the restrictive ballot laws. When Republicans talk about "building the wall", what they did was build a wall that kept the newer parties from getting on the ballot.
"In the conversation with Victor, Masters said lots of things designed to appeal to a libertarian audience: that he carried around Ludwig Von Mises's massive economics tome Human Action as a teen; that he believed in the non-aggression principle; that he was a fan of Murray Rothbard; that he learned from his dad that you can't have an honest society without honest money; that he believed in low taxes and a balanced budget and a foreign policy only about national defense and not offensive wars abroad for democracy or nation building."
Okay. Masters can pay some lip service to some important libertarian thinkers. Can Mark Kelly?
"Most libertarians differ with Masters on his stances on immigration."
I'm not so sure about this. Exactly what percentage does Reason mean by "most" here?
I agree that Masters' stance on China, and regulating "woke" private companies (citation needed) and his drug war views aren't good. I'm not sure what Master's wants to do about social media platforms moderating content but this is all happening on the same week news broke that the government has pressured social media platforms to censor certain specific content. If Master's stance is to put an end to government coercion on this issue, I see no problem with that. Reason really glossed over this specific point.
The real issue for me with this article is it lacks so much context about Victor's decision. Basically what I know is Masters has paid lip-service to libertarianism and then in all other aspects he's basically a run of the mill Republican. But Victor chose Masters over Kelly. Why is that? That's half the context for this news story here and Reason missed it entirely. What has been Kelly's voting record?
As bad as Masters could be on China, Kelly has already been on Russia.
Masters has messy views of free speech that are unlikely to result in a change in law. Kelly is a rabid gun grabber and he has supported new gun control laws that HAVE passed.
Masters talks a good game about sound money and there's zero garauntee he can deliver on it. But Kelly has been a total rubber stamp for Biden's disastrous economic policy and, at the very least, voting for Masters takes the power of the check-book away from Biden's party.
If you want to eviscerate Masters' stances on certain issues, be my guest Reason. But the story here is that Victor chose Masters over Kelly and you didn't even touch on the numerous reasons that could be the case.
So this Marc guy goes to the AZ government, they put him down as a libertarian candidate. Dupes and shills send in donations until the mixed-economy cartel pediatrician and the Anschluss Caucus comedian-impersonator (both fanatical girl-bulliers) endorse him. Then he drops out, keeps the money and endorses the Grabbers Of Pussy fascist. These Kleptocracy grifters sure know how to sucker the marks or Marc the suckers.
Ranked choice voting would have let Victor's voters choose their second preference.
As it is, with early voting, many voters who cast early ballots didn't get a second choice Another reason for ranked choice, or approval voting.