Will Californians Overrule the State's Intrusive Flavored Tobacco Ban?
Voters have shown a propensity to veto the meddlesome efforts of lawmakers in the past.

California voters will have another chance to override lawmakers trying to control their personal choices in November with a vote on Proposition 31, which challenges the state's ban on flavored tobacco.
Lawmakers passed S.B. 793 in 2020. It bans the sale of flavored tobacco products (including flavored e-cigarettes), with exceptions for hookah tobacco, premium cigars, and loose-leaf tobacco. The whole ban has been sold as a way of stopping Big Tobacco from marketing products to children, though the ban affects everybody.
It also bans menthol cigarettes, which are popular among black smokers. The menthol ban paternalistically treats black smokers like hapless victims of advertising who aren't able to make their own choices, suggesting that the state has to do it for them.
In September, in his analysis of Prop. 31, Guy Bentley, director of consumer freedom at Reason Foundation, the nonprofit that publishes this website, noted that many of the arguments in favor of the prohibition don't hold up. A study from 2017 shows that black youths in California have the lowest smoking rates of any group, while black adults have the highest, meaning they aren't getting hooked while they're young. This ban is clearly not about stopping minors from smoking (because it's already illegal for anyone under 21 to smoke), but stopping adults from consuming a disfavored product.
Bans foster any number of unintended consequences. Massachusetts beat California to the punch by a couple of months and banned flavored tobacco products (including menthol cigarettes) in 2020. Reason Foundation Policy Analyst Jacob Rich crunched sales numbers a year after the ban and found that the end result was an increase of nonmenthol cigarette sales within the state and a dramatic increase in cigarette sales in the states surrounding Massachusetts.
If a ban on menthol cigarettes leads to a black market for the good, you can guess who police are going to target. Bentley lays it out for us:
Given that menthol products are disproportionately popular among black smokers it's reasonable to assume black communities could suffer from further unnecessary contact with law enforcement if menthols are banned. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and law enforcement organizations such as the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives (NOBLE) are among the groups that have voiced concerns as it relates to a proposed national menthol ban by the Food and Drug Administration. Similar concerns would exist in California.
California Attorney General Rob Bonta is among those encouraging the Food and Drug Administration to follow through with that national menthol ban. This is how we end up with more Eric Garners.
That the ban also includes flavored vapes illustrates how it's an attempt to attack disfavored products and those who want them regardless of the actual public health benefits. E-cigarettes are much less harmful than typical cigarettes and can be used as a mechanism for helping traditional smokers quit. Bentley notes:
There's also a growing body of evidence showing that e-cigarettes are more effective than traditional nicotine replacement therapies at helping smokers quit. While e-cigarette flavors are portrayed as being targeted at youth, most adult vapers trying to quit smoking use non-tobacco flavors. According to research conducted by Yale University's Abigail Friedman, vapers using non-tobacco flavors are more likely to successfully quit smoking than those who don't.
In addition, we're seeing data showing that vaping is declining among teenagers anyway, something ban supporters seem insistent on ignoring.
More than $25 million has been raised by both sides of this campaign for Prop. 31. Infamous nanny-stater Michael Bloomberg contributed more than $4 million in cash and in-kind donations to keep the ban in place. Top tobacco companies like R.J. Reynolds and Philip Morris have contributed more than $18 million to try to convince voters to strike the ban down. The state's Democratic Party supports the ban, while the Republican Party opposes it. A September poll from the Berkeley Institute of Governmental Studies finds 57 percent of Californians support the ban, 31 percent oppose it, and 12 percent are undecided.
It's somewhat unfortunate if those numbers end up reflecting the final vote. Californians have shown a propensity to overrule Sacramento lawmakers when they attempt to pass laws like this that control what people are allowed to do. We saw it in 2020 when California voters overturned or amended several state laws, including one that forced ride-sharing and delivery companies to treat independent contractors as employees, even against the desires of the drivers themselves.
The U.S., through various failed attempts at prohibitions and disastrous drug wars, has shown that product bans won't stop people from consuming the goods they want to consume. They instead foster black markets that make life more dangerous, both through the relentless enforcement from government officials and the criminals looking to cash in on the continued demand. The Golden State is home to a bizarre marijuana black market that is the result of an overly oppressive regulatory system even though recreational marijuana use has been fully legalized. It is absurd to think that a ban on tobacco goods is not going to end up in the same place.
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Fuck Joe Biden
And fuck California. That's were the wall should be built. Keep those fuckers in.
Is it too late to give it back to Mexico?
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I don't think Mexico wants them either.
Russia then.
Sorry, he's not my type.
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Without menthol, what's going to stop white co-workers from trying to bum cigarettes from Blacks?
If you don’t like menthol, you ain’t black!
If a ban on menthol cigarettes leads to a black market for the good, you can guess who police are going to target.
Black people?
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Hitler?
The current crop of California political ads are so obnoxious that I seriously want everyone to lose and lose hard. Overturning the ban is good, but their obnoxious ads make me just not care anymore. I hope every initiative loses, even if I'm in favor of them. I want the people who came up with these ads punished.
So, they legalize pot but ban menthol cigarettes. Yeah, that makes sense.
Well, we have plenty of long-term studies showing dope-smoking to be totally harmless, right?
If we didn't the gov't would just be fucking up, so............
Pot is not legalized. Not really. It's why the black market actually increased after legalization.
What about when they vape cannabinoids? Heads explode?
Two news sources on the same survey results:
Reason:
NBC:
It is indeed interesting, but notable, that although the NBC quote states that teen vaping rates have risen, it only includes snap-shot figures–which do not reveal either an increase or a decrease in teen vaping. Was there more to the quote?
So this ban would be less strict than the one the FDA is proposing? Surprising move from CA.
Huh, environmental justice or freeze. Tough decision the Germans are faced with.
I have some concerns. The last time the Germans were faced with a tough decision things ended poorly.
Particularly if you happened to be Jewish.
Or Romany, or indigent, disabled, or mentally ill, or Catholic, or old and frail, and a few other "classes" I have probably forgotten.
Hey, at least they don't have anything to run ovens with, and certainly not gas to spare?
Perhaps a large number of them can migrate to France using the right of free peoples to be fully mobile. But *checks notes* as long as they're not in any kind of mechanical contraption. We don't abide by THAT type of open borders nonsense.
“The Golden State is home to a bizarre marijuana black market that is the result of an overly oppressive regulatory system even though recreational marijuana use has been fully legalized. It is absurd to think that a ban on tobacco goods is not going to end up in the same place.”
You say this as though they care.
I don't smoke at all but am sick and tired of all this nanny state bullshit. I voted no and advise everyone I know also to vote no.
I used to smoke, and now smoke nothing at all and it's got a "no!" from me.
Similarly, I never got on a bike without a helmet and the mandates got a "no!".
as a general rule you should vote no on every ballot initiative in california.
That is my general rule everywhere.
The main success of these tasteless Neoprohibitionists has been in increasing the Federal deficit.
Vetoing a free market in flavored tobacco has had much the same effect as a ban on baked bread- soaring flour and yeast sales .
Millions of smokers are saving tens of thousands in taxes per decade by buying, flavoring and rolling their own tobacco , with the health benefit of being able to avoid superfluous smoke inhalation from additives designed to make weak tobacco burn fast.
Uh, is that you squilsy something?
If you support this ban, you cannot claim that your position on any issue is "my body = my choice."
Yes, you can, obviously. It seems to happen all the damned time.
Like with a certain vaccine
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Mencken was right.
Surprised nobody has made the point that they will ban flavored 420 products next. I am sure there are a lot more stoners in California than nicotine addicts.
Cue CSPR research on plant menthol biosynthesis genes.
So when will they order YouTube to take down videos on how to make your own menthols? A crude way is to leave some unflavored cigarettes in a ziploc bag with a few altoids for a day or two, but there must be better alternatives
The whole ban has been sold as a way of stopping Big Tobacco from marketing products to children, though the ban affects everybody.
It also bans menthol cigarettes, which are popular among black smokers. The menthol ban paternalistically treats black smokers like
hapless victims of advertising who aren't able to make their own choices, suggesting that the state has to do it for them.children.It's treating them like children, because they've got no respect at all for anyone.
Yep, they treat them like children all right, even tell them which party they must vote for
"The state's Democratic Party supports the ban, while the Republican Party opposes it."
So, the state's voters keep electing people who make laws they then have to overturn by referendum. Seems counterproductive.
We must ban bad things Federally because bans in states don't work because evaders can simply do bad stuff in the next state (county, city, country) and we need a Global War on Everything Bad because Federal bans don't work because bad guys. Meanwhile the power-craving politicians are laughing all the way to the country club.
...paternalistically treats black smokers like hapless victims of advertising who aren't able to make their own choices, suggesting that the state has to do it for them.
And people say the Democrat party has changed...
There's also that little thing about how it's none of their damn business what I'm smoking or vaping.