A Federal Judge Says Trump Knowingly Endorsed False Fraud Claims in an Election Lawsuit
Despite that evidence, it is hard to tell whether Trump actually thought he beat Biden.

Former President Donald Trump's reaction to the 2020 election arguably violated several federal and state laws. But any effort to prosecute him for those alleged violations would face the possibly insurmountable challenge of proving criminal intent.
Given Trump's long history of embracing self-flattering assertions at odds with reality, it seems plausible that he sincerely believed, despite all the countervailing evidence, that the election was subverted by systematic fraud. If so, his various efforts to prevent Joe Biden from taking office would have been, from his perspective, attempts to correct a grievous wrong rather than attempts to illegally obstruct the peaceful transfer of power.
The select committee investigating the January 6, 2021, Capitol riot showed that people close to Trump recognized who had actually won the election and tried to dissuade him from embracing wild conspiracy theories to the contrary. But that testimony did not conclusively prove that Trump privately agreed with those advisers even while publicly promoting the stolen-election fantasy. A recent ruling by a federal judge in California supplies further evidence to support that interpretation, suggesting that Trump knowingly submitted false claims about election fraud in Georgia as part of a federal lawsuit.
The decision, which U.S. District Judge David O. Carter issued yesterday, involves a dispute between the January 6 committee and John Eastman, a former law professor who represented Trump in post-election litigation and aggressively pushed the idea that Vice President Mike Pence could unilaterally block or delay the congressional ratification of Biden's victory. As part of its investigation, the committee sought access to hundreds of Eastman's emails. Eastman argued that the emails were protected by attorney-client privilege, which applies to confidential legal advice, or by the "work product" doctrine, which applies to material prepared in anticipation of litigation.
In adjudicating that dispute, Carter had to determine not only whether those privileges applied but also whether the committee could override them based on the "crime-fraud exception," which applies to legal advice "in furtherance of" a crime. Last March, for example, Carter ruled that the crime-fraud exception applied to a memo recommending that Pence "reject electors from contested states on January 6." Carter concluded it was "more likely than not" that the scheme violated 18 USC 1512, which prohibits obstruction of "any official proceeding," and 18 USC 371, which criminalizes conspiracies to "defraud the United States."
In yesterday's decision, Carter ruled that the crime-fraud exception applies to four emails related to Trump and Eastman's "knowing misrepresentation of voter fraud numbers in Georgia when seeking to overturn the election results in federal court." Carter says the emails indicate that Trump made those claims even though he knew they had been discredited.
In a state lawsuit filed on December 4, 2021, Carter notes, "President Trump and his attorneys alleged…that Fulton County improperly counted a number of votes," including "10,315 deceased people, 2,560 felons, and 2,423 unregistered voters." When they decided to file a federal lawsuit challenging the election results, Trump and his lawyers "discussed incorporating by reference the voter fraud numbers alleged in the state petition." But in a December 30 email, Eastman "relayed 'concerns' from President Trump's team 'about including specific numbers in the paragraph dealing with felons, deceased, moved, etc.'"
The next day, Eastman elaborated on those concerns: "Although the President signed a verification for [the state court filing] back on Dec. 1, he has since been made aware that some of the allegations (and evidence proffered by the experts) has been inaccurate. For him to sign a new verification with that knowledge (and incorporation by reference) would not be accurate."
Trump apparently was unfazed. "President Trump and his attorneys ultimately filed the complaint with the same inaccurate numbers without rectifying, clarifying, or otherwise changing them," Carter writes. "President Trump, moreover, signed a verification swearing under oath that the incorporated, inaccurate numbers 'are true and correct' or 'believed to be true and correct' to the best of his knowledge and belief."
In other words, Carter says, "the emails show that President Trump knew that the specific numbers of voter fraud were wrong but continued to tout those numbers, both in court and to the public." The emails therefore "are sufficiently related to and in furtherance of a conspiracy to defraud the United States."
The "more likely than not" standard that Carter applied in this case, of course, is much less demanding than the proof beyond a reasonable doubt required for a criminal conviction. Eastman said Trump had been "made aware" that the claims about ballots cast by dead people, felons, and unregistered voters were "inaccurate." But even if someone told him the numbers were wrong, and even if Trump was paying attention, it would have been perfectly in character for him to continue believing them.
Around the same time, Trump was urging Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to "find" the votes necessary to change the election results in that state. During his notorious January 2, 2021, telephone conversation with Raffensperger, Trump seemed desperate to believe any allegation, no matter how dubious, as long as it supported his conviction that he had beaten Biden.
One of those allegations was that "dead people voted" in Georgia. "I think the number is close to 5,000 people," Trump said. That estimate was less than half as big as the number cited in his own lawsuit, which gives you a sense of how little attention he paid to such details. "The actual number [was] two," Raffensperger said. "So that's wrong."
Trump refused to believe it. "In one state [Michigan, supposedly], we have a tremendous amount of dead people [voting]," he said. "So I don't know—I'm sure we do in Georgia, too. I'm sure we do in Georgia, too."
Trump was sure the election had been stolen, even though he was hazy on the details. If that article of faith was impervious to Raffensperger's patient refutations, wouldn't it have survived whatever skepticism Trump's advisers may have expressed about the Georgia lawsuit's claims?
Any reasonably prudent person would have been leery of sticking with those numbers. But for Trump, admitting that the numbers were phony would have been tantamount to admitting the possibility of defeat. Once he started pulling on those threads, the whole tapestry of self-deception and willful blindness might have unraveled.
That assumes Trump actually thought he had won reelection. Maybe it was all a cynical game from the beginning. Even at this late date, it is hard to tell whether Trump drank his own Kool-Aid.
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And, lest I not be clear, Trump DID win the election. Every action the Biden junta has taken since has shown that.
^This.
You clowns aren't actually tricking anyone, Sullum.
What planet are you clowns from? HOW FAR from reality can you get?
As far as Joe Biden?
Uh oh, you’ve got the shit eater on you!
Trump DID win the election
By a lot.
Torrance County, NM had a hand recount of their 2022 primary and it showed a 25% difference from the Dominion totals. All in favor of the democrats, of course.
But the 2020 November election was the most secure and fraud-free election ever! Ever, I say!
Funny that you won't hold this standard to any Democrat that challenges elections. Not a word negative about a single one of them despite their cries of election interference and fraud every time they don't manufacture enough votes in their urban enclaves to win.
Prove Philly didn't manufacture votes after they booted the Republican observers, prove to me the mass mailing of ballots to incurated voter lists didn't generate fraudulent votes. Prove it you leftist shill. You've spent years trying to destroy election integrity but now we're supposed to believe you lying cunts? Nah.
There is no use trying to prove anything to you because you are determined to believe what you want. Trying to prove to election deniers is wasted effort and that time is better spent in court prosecuting the real fraud.
I’m sure you’re all over those 2016 election deniers.
I have to find some first.
Hillary still hasn't admitted she lost.
She conceded on election night.
Parody.
She conceded on election night.
No. She didn't.
In fact, if Trump hadn't decided to simply take the stage and announce, on his own, that he'd won, the media would have done the same drag out thing that allowed the junta to get enough manufactured votes to the proper places while the ballot counting stations were 'closed'.
But he didn't let that happen. He forced the issue when he let the media know he was going to address his campaign party.
Suddenly the Trump victory we'd been seeing on our screens for at least two hours got announced.
And to this day, Hillary wanders the media insinuating that the election was stolen from her.
Yes, she did.
https://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501425243/watch-live-hillary-clinton-concedes-presidential-race-to-donald-trump
Crisis actor, surely?
Yet, she still, constantly calls the election stolen.
The difference, of course is that she has no evidence of it, while Trump has massive amounts.
Mod, you need to be sure that an adequate amount of time has passed before you try and gaslight people. The 4 year temper tantrum of 2016 to 2020 is too fresh in everyone's mind to just straight up deny it happened in the first place.
Maybe wait 10 or so years.
And let's not forget "Selected, not elected!", now that you mention it.
"I have to find some first."
Hahahahahahahahaha... Oh fucking wow!
Throw a pebble in any direction and hit a half dozen. Here's Hillary doing exactly that [video].
Are you so stunned you can't remember 2016 to 2020?
It's fun watching both sides scream at each other about election denial and then watching both sides obfuscate and claim it either never happened or that their election denial is legitimate.
Uh, you are aware that Trump actually investigated fraud in his own election and was widely and publicly denounced as an imbecile for doing so, right? It wasn't, in any way, secret.
Do you seriously not remember?
DJT: "It's rigged!"
HRC: "Is not!"
[election takes place]
DJT: "I won!"
HRC: "It looks like you won, but... it's rigged!"
DJT: "OK, Let's investigate!"
HRC: "No way! That would be stupid! You're a Russian spy!"
I'm quite aware of what Trump did. And it was pathetic.
So, if their denial was illegitimate, the denial of their denial was pathetic, what does that make your denial of the denial of the denial?
Kill yourself
So you’re ignoring all the video montages of prominent democrats doing just that? You democrats are beyond salvage. Best to remove you from this country.
Citation please.
See?
You're kidding with this, right?
No, I am not. I know you think it is common sense, but before Einstein common sense said the speed of light varied and time was constant. So rather than using common sense give me the citation.
12 minutes of democrats denying election results:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX2Ejqjz6TA
There is no use trying to prove anything about the election because you can't: US elections cannot be meaningfully audited. There could be millions of fraudulent votes and you would never be able to find them. In addition, the counting process itself uses arbitrary standards for voter identity checking and voter intent. This didn't start in the 2020 election, it's been true for decades. You have to be a blind partisan idiot not to see that after the hanging chad fiasco two decades ago.
Other major democracies have tried some of the crappy procedures US elections use and abolished them again because they are too printer to fraud.
Voting should be in person, on a single day, with paper ballots, voter id, a full audit trail, full chain of custody, and fully public ballot counting.
If we want anything electronic on top of that, it would be electronic vote count verification (you go to a web site and can verify that your votes were counted as intended), which can be reconciled with anonymous voting.
With regards to adding electronics to our voting system, I would add that it would be nice to have cameras for every ballot counter, so every person can see in real time, on a streaming service, how every ballot is tallied -- in other words, allow everyone who wants to be a poll watcher to become one!
There is probably never to be any proof. It is as if you lost contact with your parents, went to their home to check them out, and found the place with broken furniture and glass, and some dried blood specks on the wall. No bodies, so no evidence of a crime, but it sure looks like one happened.
The 2020 election had non-legislated changes to voting, closed ballot counting venues, and late ballot arrivals. This absolutely does not prove anything untoward happened, but it smells bad.
Plus the "water main break" in Georgia that never happened. They raided Trump's home, but can't look into this?
In Georgia, the ballot counters kicked out the press and the poll watchers, claiming they were done counting for the night and would resume in the morning. Almost immediately after everyone leaves, they haul out luggage bags from under the table and begin running them through the counting machines. During this stretch, the votes go something like 100% for Biden. All of this is on video, and many people remember watching it unfold in real time.
Indeed. There's a lot of "preponderance of the evidence", but it's difficult to collect something solid -- and furthermore, we're told that the Courts have found that there is no evidence, when in reality, the Courts have almost always thrown out suits based on "mootness" and "lack of standing", without giving any evidence the chance to be aired.
>Funny that you won’t hold this standard to any Democrat that challenges elections
This is nonsense. Reason was consistently skeptical about all the claims the Dems made after 2016 that Trump beat Clinton only because of illegal Russian interference. This article, for example, which states:
"Hillary Clinton did not lose the 2016 race because of fake Russian Facebook groups or fake news, or Jill Stein. Clinton lost because the American people declined to make her president."
Reason is talking about cynical games?
Do you filth ever stop lying?
The FBI put its thumb on the scale of the election. Period. What would we say about something like that if it happened overseas?
Because it can’t happen here?
So what?
Apparently we're all still supposed to be pretending that Time Magazine article by a Democratic Party propagandist bragging about how the election was rigged doesn't exist.
You have to pretend if you live in a dictatorship.
I was going to point that out myself.
For the record, here's a link to the
signed confessionarticle:The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election
>>hard to tell whether Trump actually thought he beat Biden
I do.
Even at this late date, it is hard to tell whether Trump drank his own Kool-Aid.
I don't know if there's a Trump Kool-Aid, but he drank Sullum's milkshake.
Now do Hillary, Stacey, and all the Democrats you've ignored.
I hope you’re ready for the devastating “whataboutism” rebuke.
This absolutely is the case for whataboutism -- not of unpronouncable, but of the whole fucking thing.
Claims of election fraud/manipulation/general hijinx are common. De rigueur, even. I remember 2008, Democrat friends from Ohio were all repeating a talking point of Republican election fraud six months before the election even happened. I remember how many people swore Kerry beat Bush. How many doubted the recounts that brought Stuart Smalley in to the Senate so they had a supermajority. How many of the "resistance" constantly and endlessly doubted Trump's election.
For fuck's sake, Trump complained about an election. So he did exactly what politicians always do, all the goddamned time, every election. Why is it suddenly a big deal now? Just for this one individual?
Fucking TDS. Dude's been out of office two years, people need to get over themselves.
https://vimeo.com/738785281
10 minutes of election denial that's dangerous to America.
Wait, this is the 2016 election?
10 minutes of important election questioning to safeguard our democracy!
"...Why is it suddenly a big deal now?..."
The asshole Sullum's raging case of TDS.
" Why is it suddenly a big deal now? Just for this one individual?"
Because he's 100% right.
So for us keeping score at home, the question of "did he do it or not" has now evolved into , "is he a criminal or an incompetent ? "
In fairness, I think that question has been around a lot longer than you would think.
Understanding that the voting rules were changed in violation of state law in several of the swing states and seeing that many of these rules have since been reversed by the courts - essentially telling election administrators to follow the law - is enough to call into question the outcome of the 2020 election to anyone with a modicum of common sense.
I don't deny that the vote count showed a Biden victory - I deny that the legal voting procedures were followed - and several state court rulings back that assertion!!
I agree. Furthermore, a lot of supposed facts about the election are simply unproven and unprovable because the voting procedures make them impossible to meaningfully audit.
The only thing unproven is who actually started the censorship of the Hunter Biden laptop story, which, without a doubt, would have sunk criminal Joe's chances.
The FIB told Suckerberg to be aware of "Russian disinformation", but who in the media decided that this was what was described.
They were all in on it.
^ This. They had cover from the COVID panic-mongers, so it was a perfect time to 'rig things in favor of democracy' since these people truly believed Trump was unfit for office and they were doing the nation a favor.
Maybe it didn't happen, I can't say it for a fact, but it's hard to ignore that it was probably the least organized election and most suspectable time to cheat in modern history.
There's no way these people saw the actual returns rolling in and Trump cruising to victory and they just stood by. No way in hell, and everybody knows it. So they used the drop box fortification.
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/bidens-extremist-maga-claims-lie
Thanks for the link. Really sums it up.
Absolutely. Many people involved may believe themselves to have high moral and ethical principles, generally. But if they and everyone they interact with has convinced themselves that Trump is literally an incipient dictator fully in the mold of Hitler, they all have granted themselves complete moral license to do ANYTHING to stop Trump. Indeed, in their rationalization, it would be immoral and unethical to shrink from any action that might impede Trump from “taking power” and overthrowing Our Democracy™. They believe it is necessary to (just temporarily) destroy democracy (as in a fair and honest election) in order to save it.
Okay. So why then , do we let these people change voting laws and procedures so close to the election ? I'm not saying there is or is not fraud or crookedness going on ... I'm saying if you don't want to confuse the issue , why not only let changes be made in a non-voting year so that what gets changed has a full year to marinate and get right instead of the last minute change fiascos that keep happening ? I say that because some of the "irregularities" that were reported was because of last minute changes to guidelines. "They" (either team red or blue) have 3 years to make changes to voting policy, why wait until the actual voting year to make changes that everyone has to scramble to accommodate if everything is on the up and up ?
“So why then , do we let these people change voting laws and procedures so close to the election ?”
We didn’t. They did it outside the law.
We did.
The 2nd amendment exists to prevent, or remedy, precisely this kind of bullshit.
“They” (either team red or blue) have 3 years to make changes to voting policy
For the record, one team has been trying to get voter ID laws on the books since before W.
To be honest, the answer is "who is going to stop them?" That's the insidiousness of corruption. We are very much in to a quis custodes custodiet situation here.
When the people in charge of making and enforcing the law brazenly violate it, our only two recourses are the courts and violence. We chose the former, but legal action takes so long that the remedies are impossible. If you threw out all the states with illegally changed election laws, then neither has a majority and it would go to congress. However, the congress that would vote on this no longer exists. Using the Son of Sam / Fruit of the Poisoned Tree principles, this would mean that anyone who won in a tainted election would have to be reelected before the president could be re-voted on. This would take so long that we would be almost to the next election before this one is resolved.
As horrible as it sounds, the election is too big to fail from a legal perspective, and the final remedy, violence, is too terrible to comprehend at the moment.
One win out of 64 court cases doesn't mean anything.
Neither does your life.
A Federal Judge Says Trump Knowingly Endorsed False Fraud Claims in an Election Lawsuit
There is no mindreading technology (yet) so no one can know what anyone else is actually thinking.
There is no mindreading technology (yet)
That's what they want you to think.
I thought these suits were thrown out on lack of standing, not on the basis of evidence? If that’s the case, how would the federal judge know?
They just know that nasty Drumpf is guilty of something! They can feel it in their bones!
The walls are closing in!
I eagerly await the next BOMBSHELL revelation.
Some were thrown out for lack of standing and some were thrown out for lack of evidence.
Incorrect
Can we have Reason staff arrested for spreading election misinformation? Because that's what a lot of this article is: lies, propaganda, and misinformation. Just about the only things that's true is the observation that Biden is legally president.
It is at least nice to see that even the extremes in Trump's orbit at the time were alerting others to the falsity of some of the claims being made.
The last move on the board for Trump is to flee to Ireland and run for the extradition-proof office of Chief Executive on The One Taoiseach You Can't Impeach ticket. If Bad Orange Man puts a green diaper on the Baby Trump Balloon he should be a shoe-in.
Despite the evidence, it is hard to tell whether Biden actually thought he beat Bush.
OT. What’s your favorite flavor of ice cream?
A lot of vague allegations.
If you make a claim that election fraud happened, are you lying if you do not have incontrovertible proof that it happened?
The issue I see here is that the charge that Trump was lying is almost impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, and the people doggedly pursuing this have gone off the rails.
The issue I see here is that...
Every election since Washington has almost certainly had some element of fraud, several with known and verifiable averse outcomes (as the direct result of the fraud or not) but some people are just sure, up front, that Trump is guilty of *something* and will kill anyone or anything and step over the corpse to prove it.
That's the issue I have. While I have historically been for holding our politicians criminally responsible for many things, it seems that many laws are only in effect when Trump is concerned, and many times in the past 6 years, we've seen law enforcement trying to enforce laws that don't exist or are stretched beyond the breaking point. The only thing worse than no enforcement at all is enforcement only on political enemies.
Besides, other cars were speeding!
It's not so much the case of "besides, the other cars were speeding" as it is "besides, no one has enforced the speeding limit for decades, and now they're suddenly trying to enforce it on me."
And yes, the Courts have thrown out laws when they have either been ignored for so long, or have only been clearly enforced against certain people. Indeed, when it's clear that a law is only enforced against blacks, it's considered rightly to be racist.
I don't particularly want to live in a country where it's always acceptable to put Republicans in prison, but Democrats always go scott free -- that's one of the hallmarks of tyranny.
Federal judges, among others, know upon which side their bread is buttered.
Apparently, Trump did not.
Despite that evidence, it is hard to tell whether Trump actually thought he beat Biden.
Not really, since there are polls showing that over a third of Democrats even think Biden cheated.
These are some really dangerous precedents being set by this judge. I hope they come back to bite the Democrats in the ass, and soon.
I look for Reason to talk about all the Democrat election deniers.
Where are all the articles on the lies that come out of Biden's mouth?
Hey, draining the SPR for votes is great right!
Hey Snowflake JACOB SULLUM ever hear of 2000 MULES? That is the TRUTH ABOUT DEMONCRATS AND RICE BALLS LIKE YOU!
Since what’s the premise for the suit? Can Trump sue folks for false claims of Russian collusion?
There are no rules, only weapons.
Sedition an insurrection. Why wasn’t Hillary Clinton and her co-appropriators, leaders at the DNC and agents in the FBI, arrested and prosecuted for the failed bloodless coup against President Trump. Think about it, they tried to bring down a sitting President with fake information they got by colluding with the Russians. I would guess Pelosi, Schumer and Schiff were in on the conspiracy too. What they did is the very definition of a "bloodless coup".
Well the reason is because the Democrats and Federal government are totally corrupt.
Reason has severe TDS. Competing with msnbc now.